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Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 11, 2013 
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Ys Guy February 11th, 2013 at 11:56 am
lgy the waffling i referenced was regarding the people who come on here every single day and call the FO a bunch of clueless jerks who dont care about winning.
many of these same people have predicted the crash of the franchise.
many have predicted seriously declining attendance.
they come here every day blasting everything about what the team is doing.
then they predict 90 + wins.
THAT is waffling, imo.
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Name names.
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PECOTA says CC Sabathia will be the 3rd best pitcher in baseball next year behind Verlander & Darvish. Cano the 10th best hitter.
“Name names.”
With quotes, not unrecognizable distortions of reality.
ok shame, im sorry i didn’t specifically mean you.
i respect your opinion and randy’s and everyone else’s.
and im glad everyone at least agrees that the yankees will be relevent.
it just seems like there’s been alot of screaming about how this team was put together.
No one ever said they wouldn’t be relevant. The criticism is that they haven’t been maximizing their resources, with the contracts they give out (and not give out), trades, and player development.
RadioKev, I expect Torrens to be on one of the GCL team rosters in 2013, as he was already stateside for Instructs in 2012.
to me, 90+ wins puts you in the running for the WS.
yankeefeminista February 11th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RadioKev, I expect Torrens to be on one of the GCL team rosters in 2013, as he was already stateside for Instructs in 2012.
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Cool, thanks!
Also the Hughes hate in this chat is absurd.
My only hate for Hughes is that they may not be able to keep him.
Hughes is one of the reasons to watch for me this year
@jonmorosi: Curtis Granderson said he would welcome extension talks with Yankees but is not aware of any discussions between team and his agent.
I’ve wondered if Grandys value may have taken a big enough hit that the price to sign him might actually be worth it
Hughes had a solid year; he will continue to be underappreciated because some have never forgiven him for not becoming an ace.
I can remember the last prospect that got as much love as Romine with such a scant record of success/health. I want him to do well, the idea of Stewie catching much (let along being on the team) is kind of nauseating, but it’s a leap to think that Romine is ready now. Again, I really want to be wrong.
*can’t remember*
If Granderson would sign a 3/39 extension right now woukd you do it?
“I’ve wondered if Grandys value may have taken a big enough hit that the price to sign him might actually be worth it”
He’d have to take a significant paycut from his 2013 salary. That makes it tough.
No.
yankeefeminista says:
February 11, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Hughes had a solid year; he will continue to be underappreciated because some have never forgiven him for not becoming an ace.
Agreed….folks need to forget about what he was supposed to be and appreciate what he is and still could be.
Remember that Victorino signed for 3/39…..40 homers in this market for 13 million a year is a pretty good deal…..the issue of course is the budget and how that would complicate it…..but just from a baseball standpoint I wouldn’t mind having a 30-40 homer bat in LF a couple more seasons
“it just seems like there’s been alot of screaming about how this team was put together.”
Are being a fan of the team and critiquing the way it’s been assembled/managed mutually exclusive?
Hughes may have had one of the most impactful hamstring injuries I can remember. It seemed to dramatically (an permanently) affect his plus (maybe plus plus) curve. His FB is still very good.
I would rather him get an extension for $40m than Granderon.
From Badler’s twitter:
“Scouting reports on the top 2012 international signings start today at BA. Full breakdowns of every AL East team: http://bit.ly/3ZF7Cb ”
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There’s a good breakdown of Yanks IFA’s here (sub required). RadioKev, including a scouting report on Torrens (as if on cue) Rays one is the only free one. Rays signed some prospectively nasty pitchers, players. And they supposedly say the 2013 IFA class is no where near as good.
I don’t like the hitter Granderson has become. The Victorino contract is awful.
Rich, As a result, Hughes still doesn’t have the leg drive he once had.
“I would rather him get an extension for $40m than Granderon.”
Agreed….however if Hughes has a good 2013 I believe he will get more than that.
I guess my question is at what price would it make sense to keep Granderson? He has warts but he’d be a good defensive LFer and he does have power…..
I think it’s risky to plan on your entire outfield to be from the farm in 2-3 years…..besides if that group has a good 2013 then they are probably future Marlins anyways
Ys Guy February 11th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
to me, 90+ wins puts you in the running for the WS.
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I don’t take any offense to it, I just like having any excuse to use that Whitney Houston gif if I’m being perfectly honest
But really, I think the tone in here gets overblown. But there’s some nuance involved.
Last year, I believe I’m quoted on here as saying (after we accumulated 95 wins and were starting the playoffs) that I didn’t see this team being able to finish. I agree with you that 90+ wins puts you in the running to compete for a WS, but it doesn’t satisfy me. I think some teams have the killer instinct. We saw that in 2009… we saw a team that looked beat, got a run or two, and was primed for a comeback. That team could smell blood. The teams before it could as well. Sometimes you just get a gut feeling. I think this team can make the playoffs, but I need to see them play some ball before knowing if they can really compete for a title.
That sounds wishy-washy.. I know.. but there’s a feel to the game.. a tempo, a gut thing.
blake February 11th, 2013 at 10:01 am
“Talk about hedging”
Anybody that makes a prediction about this team wirhout hedging is setting themselves up for the potential to look pretty foolish…..I could honestly see the 2013 Yankees finishing anywhere from 1st to 5th if a few things go horribly wrong….
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I wasn’t talking about things like “well if they have a lot of injuries…”. Not stuff like that. Normally when you make a prediction everyone knows it’s with normal luck.
And blake, my posts about this aren’t really directed at the more reasonable posters such as yourself.
blake
You’re right about the precarious state their OF could be in. If they are willing to talk extensions, Hughes is the fist non-Cano player I think they should talk to. Their rotation could be harder to fix than their OF if Pettitte and Kuroda leave.
Another problem with giving Granderson an extension now, is that if they decide after the season to pursue Hughes, that leaves less money (similar to the Ichiro problem).
But for the sake of argument, $10m a year is the most I would give Granderson.
“And blake, my posts about this aren’t really directed at the more reasonable posters such as yourself.”
Understood….I’m ready for games on the field anyways
“Another problem with giving Granderson an extension now, is that if they decide after the season to pursue Hughes, that leaves less money (similar to the Ichiro problem).”
Unless of course Hal changes his mind about the budget…..but agreed that we can’t assume that will happen at this point
I don’t think spending money on Granderson, who is probably a corner outfielder now, is wise considering they have Gardner and Ichiro for two more years, and OF prospects are their strength right now. Free agent OF are relatively easy to pick up if necessary.
At the risk of allowing myself some unbridled optimism, I am beginning to think that they won’t be able to do the austerity budget in 2014. How high they will be willing to go, I don’t know.
I vote to extend Cano and Granderson and Hughes, the sooner the better.
I think they are going under 189 no matter what, and Hal saying he could go over if necessary is just a lie. Look how hard they worked to shed lots of payroll going into 2014.
extending CG,Hughes or Cano, just like anything else has to do with projections, years and dollars . I would give CG and Hughes 3-4 years and Cano , 6. If they say no, I would explore trade possibilities for all three. of course, this is highly subjective, but that’s how i feel. If they won’t give discounts then there are also zero incentives to extend any of the three, but it’s a good conversations to have with all three to find out their ranges and plan accordingly.
They should have ran with that ‘Grandy can’t see thing’ and tried to extend him lol.
eboland11 Granderson tweaked offseason routine after talking with Ichiro. Started hitting earlier than usual
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Maybe this is a good sign.
“I think they are going under 189 no matter what, and Hal saying he could go over if necessary is just a lie. Look how hard they worked to shed lots of payroll going into 2014.”
Do you think they can be under 189 in 2014 and still sell the team as a WS contender?
Part of the issue may be timing. Hal may or may not know much about baseball, but he can read the standings.
If the AS break 2014 approaches, and they Yankees are playing poorly, he may be motivated to add significant payroll by the trading deadline.
That was, in part, what I was referring to yesterday when I said I hope they take the long view no matter what they do.
If they do decide to add salary during 2014, the options may not be as good as they might be in the offseason, and their trading position may seem less desperate.
And in a year, maybe two, they are probably going to have some very attractive pieces to trade, if they want.
So they will have decisions to make if they can’t be patient, or if they believe that many fans won’t be.
if Hal is expecting major contributions from youth corp, i don’t think it’s realistic to expect that in 14. the one guy you might find out some is Pineda. but Yanks need to learn patience in developing the next crop. To integrate a few prospects into a everyday lineup or rotation might mean mediocrity or worse which is fine by me if Yanks had ppl who can assess talents as well as bring them along methodically.
Grandy, (like Swish), hit well outta that 2 Slot Honey Hole. My guess is either Jeet or Ichiro is gonna get the 2 Slot the majority of the season, leaving Granderson the odd-man-out, and his impact on the batting order will suffer accordingly. I would trade Cano NOW, and depending on where the Yanks stood in the standings come July 31, look to trade Grandy. Under NO circumstances would I Extend his current contract, or offer him a New long-term deal. He’s currently a 1 Trick Pony offensively and his defense is on a Sharp decline. Hiding him in LF will help as to the limted routes he Now will run vs CF, but all things considered, this should be his last season in pinstripes.
” We saw that in 2009″
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we saw it in 1998, too!
killer instinct doesn’t happen in the offseason.
the team has to develop that.
btw, I think Chad’s boy ask far more relevant baseball questions than Chad’s girl!
Whats the line between legal and illegal PEDs?
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Rich,
If this ownership/management group has proven anything to us over the years it’s that no plan is safe. I vividly remember Cashman doing a speaking tour with Theo where both were patting one another on the back for developing Aces.
When that his a huge speed bump, they spent like drunken sailors in 2009.
Now the new plan is get under the cap and pray for a competitive group.
If that group struggles next year, they’ll blow it all up and spend like drunken sailors again.
What I believe a lot of us are reacting to is we see other teams have plans and the courage to stick to them.
If the Yankees long term plan was young talent, then they wouldn’t have been reaching in the 1st round and would’ve drafted the guys who fell to them because of money. They would’ve signed every single IFA out there with real potential because hitting on those guys is a major boon to your team’s bottom line.
Instead, they went frugal across the board. They picked guys in the 1st round who were easier signs. They pretty much ignored guys like Cespedes, Soler, Sano, Darvish, Chapman, etc.
That’s what we’re ticked off about. Once the plan became get under 189, it should’ve been built around the trades of Swisher and Granderson and the signings of every top young talent they could get their hands on.
Instead, they spend money on a win now team to appease critics with no solutions long term. Next year’s team has few building blocks.
This all could’ve been dealt with in the past 2 seasons with a front office with a plan and a little bit of vision.
But this group is always myopic in their way. That’s why when the 189 plan blows up in their faces and the natives get even more restless, they’ll sign everything with a pulse and an endorsement deal and we’ll be back to the days of signing Jack Clark while we had Don Mattingly.
G. Love
Nice summary.
I think I read the transcript of his appearance with Theo at William Paterson.
You’re right. They lack consistency, commitment, and follow through. They have been saved to this point by their payroll advantage, and to be fair a couple of really good moves that stand out for their uniqueness. But overall, there have been huge opportunity costs imposed by their non-moves that should have flowed from their payroll advantage.
It’s hard to see them giving up their best weapon for long, unless they are planning to sell. The question remains, how smartly they will spend when they finally decide to spend big again.
A conversation that occurred between Hank and Cash a few years go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Bwjk2s8oU
Rich in NJ February 11th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
“I think they are going under 189 no matter what, and Hal saying he could go over if necessary is just a lie. Look how hard they worked to shed lots of payroll going into 2014.”
Do you think they can be under 189 in 2014 and still sell the team as a WS contender?
Part of the issue may be timing. Hal may or may not know much about baseball, but he can read the standings.
If the AS break 2014 approaches, and they Yankees are playing poorly, he may be motivated to add significant payroll by the trading deadline.
That was, in part, what I was referring to yesterday when I said I hope they take the long view no matter what they do.
If they do decide to add salary during 2014, the options may not be as good as they might be in the offseason, and their trading position may seem less desperate.
And in a year, maybe two, they are probably going to have some very attractive pieces to trade, if they want.
So they will have decisions to make if they can’t be patient, or if they believe that many fans won’t be.
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First, I think they can have a good, contending team with a strict 189 limit. But they need to make good decisions and have a little luck.
As for Hal going over 189, I think it’s likely any decision is going to be made with the bottom line in mind, first and foremost. So I think the only way they go over 189 is if they think they will lose more money by losing games than they would gain by staying under 189. I have no idea at what point that happens, but I’m sure they have an idea.
I think they can have a contending team at $189M, but not in 2014. No way. No how.
Half of the team will either retire or be free agents, and those are many of the good players. They will be missing three starters plus many positional starters and much of the pen will need to be replaced.
It simply cannot be done unless more than a half dozen rookies are good enough to have key roles. That last happened, when exactly? The rest would either have to be extremely cheap veterans if Cano returns or relatively cheap ones if he does not.
Looking at the free agent list for 2014 isn’t too exciting even if they had money. Lincecum has lost a ton of velocity. McCann is a catcher and unless they trade him they must hope for Sanchez.
That is why G. Love is correct in reiterating they should have been working toward this goal by signing players for reasonable contracts for the last couple of years insted of overpaying for one year players.
I have hopes for this year, pending health. 2014 looks to be very rough to me.