Friday notes: On a light day, Pineda stands out
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 15, 2013 
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This was a pretty light day in Yankees camp. Except for fielding drills, none of the big leaguers were on a mound. Position players still have not officially reported for camp. Even the minor league guys had it fairly easy today.
Without much action, the highlight of the day was the early work from Michael Pineda. Joe Girardi said Pineda looked “pretty good,” but what exactly is Girardi even looking for at this point?
“A little bit of arm speed,” Girardi explained. “How the ball comes out of his hand. His mechanics. Does he need a lot of time in between pitches? Those are the things that you look for. When they start taking a lot of time between pitches, you get a little bit concerned. He was, here it is, right to work.”
Girardi said it will be a while before radar gun readings mean anything for Pineda. Right now, the Yankees just want to make sure the delivery itself is nice and easy. Pineda said today’s session went well, and he’s experienced no setbacks in his recovery from shoulder sugery.
“It’s good to see him up there, it really is,” Girardi said.
• For obvious reasons, Cesar Cabral is easily overshadowed in this situation. He’s on basically the exact same schedule as Pineda, but could be big league ready sooner because he’s a left-handed reliever who doesn’t need to be stretched out. Cabral also threw 25 pitches this morning. “He’s progressing well,” Girardi said. “He’s a guy that, we like the upside in him. We like his arm. But he won’t be quite ready (by the end of spring training).”
• In case you’ve forgotten, Cabral had a chance to beat Clay Rapada for a big league job last spring. It wasn’t until the end of camp that the Yankees discovered a fracture in his elbow. “He had a shot,” Girardi said. “He sure did.”
• Girardi said CC Sabathia is still on schedule to throw a bullpen tomorrow. I believe Sabathia will be the final Yankees pitcher in big league camp to get on a mound. He’ll certainly be the final no-doubt-about-it big league pitcher to get on a mound.
• Francisco Cervelli said today that he won’t play in the World Baseball Classic. I’d heard that previously but hadn’t checked with him to make sure.
• Still no word on when Jorge Posada is going to show up as a guest instructor. “I’m not sure when exactly he’s coming,” Girardi said. “Our guest instructors kind of make their own schedule. A lot of guys kind of like to wait until the games start.”
• New reliever Shawn Kelley showed up today. He’s wearing No. 27.
• Also a handful of infielders showed up at big league camp to get their lockers settled. Jayson Nix was here. So were Addison Maruszak and Corban Joseph.
• Random observation from today’s workout: After going through PFP, the pitchers were running along the warning track on one of the back fields. They were in groups of six or so, including one group of CC Sabathia, Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte, Phil Hughes, Ivan Nova and … Shane Greene. One of these things is not like the others.
• Girardi said the Yankees will quickly make up for today’s light day. He called tomorrow a “crazy day” with a lot of bullpens and batting practice sessions planned.
Associated Press photos, the Cabral shot is from last year
on the count of three, everyone tear apart Pineda, the Yanks treatment of young pitchers, the Montero trade and Cashman
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3…GO!
That picture is horrifying!
Thank you Chad!!
OK NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU’RE ALL JERKS….
Thanks, Ys Guy, but I already know why I’m a jerk
Man Trout really did put on all that weight. He looks noticeably different, there is no doubt about that. Dude’s neck is huge and everything.
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I wonder if Trout on PEDs would be as big of a deal as Arod on PEDs…
Thick necks.. sessy.
Our long national nightmare may be coming to and end:
Judge says trial date should be set in Kim Kardashian, Kris Humphries divorce case – @AP
16 mins ago from hosted.ap.org by editor
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Why we even know her name is beyond me.
Pineda all day, every day please.
Hassey February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Thanks, Ys Guy, but I already know why I’m a jerk
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Because you classify skinny b*tches like Kim Jones as ‘curvy’
Why we even know her name is beyond me.
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Because she starred in one of the most boring sex tapes known to man..
Shame – I agree with you 150% on why you are saying that, but I don’t think Kim is actually built like the fishbones we hate
I still can’t get over this Loria story, btw lol… this is amazing. Will anyone ever sign with the Marlins again without a NTC?
“Because she starred in one of the most boring sex tapes known to man..”
She did?
Oh snap..
@Buster_ESPN
Ryan Braun’s name listed in another document from Tony Bosch’s PED clinic, reports T.J. Quinn. http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/st.....estigation …
I hate Kim K as much as anyone for all the reasons you know, but she is built like a thoroughbred and I DIG THAT!!!
Hassey February 15th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Shame – I agree with you 150% on why you are saying that, but I don’t think Kim is actually built like the fishbones we hate
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Maybe not but curvy seems like a stretch.. they call Beyonce curvy too though lol, so you get a pass (for now, dun dun dunnnnnnn!).
this is no fishbone…there are curves
http://network.yardbarker.com/.....rk/5602279
Ray J was built like a ….boomerang.
(Let it go on record that this conversation is Rich’s fault. I do not want to be blamed for the fact that I simply cannot help myself…)
“I hate Kim K as much as anyone for all the reasons you know, but she is built like a thoroughbred and I DIG THAT!!!”
There is a horse-y-ness about her.
I mean, she’s ok, but there are plenty of better looking women who no one cares about except me.
“(Let it go on record that this conversation is Rich’s fault. I do not want to be blamed for the fact that I simply cannot help myself…)”
I let your thick comment go, Shame, so that mitigates against any blame.
I just realized Chip said before that the Jays are probably not worried about a Melky suspension because he was already suspended..
Was he initially suspended for the Biogenisis thing or was it just that he tested positive and they’d assume that this was where he got it..??
Lol, I do wonder… every guy I’ve seen on roids does develop a really thick neck (man in the context of the rest of this discussion everything is sounding boarder line ban-able right now lol).
Is that something you can get from just creatine or weight gain?
Rich – I think we killed the blog.
Good…I’m glad Cervelli isn’t playing in the WBC.
Thanks for the info Chad.
Shame – You didn’t kill the blog. The afternoon readers all ran out to download the Kim K tape…they’ll be right back as soon as it’s safe to touch their keyboards again.
Shame
We are bad…
Rick Malambri ?@RickMalambri
BREAKING NEWS: Baby found in the middle of the Meteorite crash site, he is miraculously unharmed. Wrapped in what seems to be a red cape.
can he lift a tractor?
@Deadspin
Ryan Braun’s name appears in new Biogenesis records. Yes, there are more Biogenesis records. http://deadsp.in/9FBaM4I
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Is this going to be as big of a deal as Arod? Even if Trout was on PEDs I don’t think it would be as widely discussed.
Hassey –
Rick Malambri ?@RickMalambri
BREAKING NEWS: Baby found in the middle of the Meteorite crash site, he is miraculously unharmed. Wrapped in what seems to be a red cape.
can he lift a tractor?
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A smell yet another new reality show…`
A = I
sheesh
Does Goodell really make $30 million a year?? Insanity. NFL players get absolutely screwed. That’s why this luxury tax thing is BS.
I wonder how much more the sons of senators make relative to the general population.
blake February 15th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Rick Malambri ?@RickMalambri
BREAKING NEWS: Baby found in the middle of the Meteorite crash site, he is miraculously unharmed. Wrapped in what seems to be a red cape.
can he lift a tractor?
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F lifting a tractor can be catch….we need a catcher.
I don’t think we can get excited over Pineda actually throwing today. Especially with that pic showing a very clear 3/4 arm slot, and a grimace on his face.
“Pineda all day, every day please.”
I’m with you! I’m as excited as the day we got him (though the excitement that day was somewhat tempered by the shock of losing Montero).
I still expect great things from Pineda. Never doubted he’d be back and healthy. And I’m still not doubting it!
Which gives me an opportunity to use one of my favorite Michael J. Fox qutoes: If you imagine the worst case scenario and it happens, you’ve lived it twice.
GO FOR THE GUSTO! GO YANKS!!!
Kenny, that looks like a big smile to me, not a grimace.
I’m with trisha. Pineda throwing can only be good news. Why concoct disaster scenarios?
Shame Spencer February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Hassey February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Thanks, Ys Guy, but I already know why I’m a jerk
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Because you classify skinny b*tches like Kim Jones as ‘curvy’
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Kim Jones is curvy. Beyonce is curvy. Some “others” who like to call themselves “curvy” are really
fatunhealthily overweight.Pineda always has that look on his face when he throws.
thats pineda’s pitch face….he did the same thing in Seattle so I wouldn’t read too much in to that.
If the Yankees are very fortunate Pineda will turn out to be like Anibal Sanchez.
He represents the best case scenario for overcoming a surgery like Pineda’s.
He is a very good comp in many respects- age, severity of injury, etc.
He’s gone on to throw quite a few successful innings since his surgery.
Even at that it took Sanchez close to 2 years to regain his form.
If you want to visualize the best for Michael visualize Sanchez.
I’m not going to talk about the worst. You really don’t want to go there.
“Pineda throwing can only be good news. Why concoct disaster scenarios?”
Why indeed!
I’m still really kind of numbed by the Oscar Pistorius story. I’m waiting to hear him say he thought it was a robber, so hoping he’s going to say that and it’s going to be the truth. But I don’t know.
Trisha not sure if you saw my comment earlier but are you ok?
Shawn Kelley is #27 now? so what does Dan Johnson get? 12? only number besides 64 still available
trisha – true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
I’m still really kind of numbed by the Oscar Pistorius story. I’m waiting to hear him say he thought it was a robber, so hoping he’s going to say that and it’s going to be the truth. But I don’t know
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I was listening to the cbs sports radio this morning and according to some reports neighbors heard them arguing before shots were fired.
Catching up today:
1. Sucks about Swisher….. I lost my mom when i was 22 and haven’t gotten past it.
2. Thrilled to hear Yankees may be interested in Wang again. He was a HUGE part of this team before CC arrived and I think he can be relevant again (especially in 2014 after Hughes and Kuroda and maybe Pettitte are gone)
would also love them to get Joba back on the pace to starter (will never happen) because he will be signable for much less than Hughes, but has a higher upside.
Anibal Sanchez.
MTU
It took him about three years after his surgery to start 30+ games in the ML.
Against, I did and I responded to you, so you must not have seen my response. First of all, thank you for asking! I had started to come down with “something” and basically spent yesterday sleeping, but I am feeling much better today. I’ve been taking a supplement called Moringa and it’s supposed to be an immune system phenom. I’m thinking that’s what did the trick.
I would love to see Wang back with the team. If the Yankees resign him I’ll bring Fake Hank back to life on Twitter.
I’m sorry ac1. I was a lot older than that when I lost mine. I can understand that it could be even tougher at such a young age.
“I was listening to the cbs sports radio this morning and according to some reports neighbors heard them arguing before shots were fired.”
I read the same thing. I think I’m trying to will that to be nothing more than rumor…
“would also love them to get Joba back on the pace to starter (will never happen) because he will be signable for much less than Hughes, but has a higher upside.”
Would love to see that too.
Mr. MTU,
You around?
” I believe Sabathia will be the final Yankees pitcher in big league camp to get on a mound.”
And the mound’s going to know it. Hopefully the big man has one of those monster seasons he can rattle off when he’s healthy.
ac1 – not sure you ever get over that, no matter what age. I’m so happy for Swish that his wife is pregnant. It gives him something to think about and look forward to.
i called it on hughes , joba, wang, and pineda at points before they had severe injuries.
i said very clearly that hughes was being rushed because he didn’t have the innings under his belt that first year because of a cold spring.with joba it was because they rushed the process in season of going from reliever to starter too fast. with wang it was cashman’s mishandling of the lisfranc injury in spring training. with pineda, i said they were making him do too much in too short a time in improving a really weak change up, and in finding lost velocity that for some reason had disappeared.i said even without injuries i’d have him learn the change up at triple a and come back when he had it down.
it’s interesting to me that in all these cases, it’s spring training or early in the year that i see red flags.
and again here we are in spring training and i’m seeing the red flags with a pitcher. in this case pineda again.
there’s not a single case i can think of where i’ve complained about how a pitcher has been used other than these four. in all four cases, the pitchers have become injured shortly afterward.
there’s a point past where i’m not going to talk about pineda because quite frankly ther are some real dumb asses and toxic people on this blog that aren’t worth talking to.
but that’s my two cents worth on pineda. for his own good he should be on a back field somewhere and out of the media spotlight.
Randy,
I’ve been here long enough to know you’ve been spot on and ahead of what a lot of these pitchers trajectories are here.
At first I thought you were just critical because of the Neil Allen thing, but you’ve been calling a lot of the bumps in the road for these guys for years here.
I hope for the Yankees sake, Pineda amounts to something. They have no upper level pitching ready for Kuroda, Pettite and Hughes possibly departing next year although I do like Nova and Phelps a whole lot.
I got chastised yesterday for saying the Yankees will rush Pineda back. I believe they will do this whole heartedly. Last year when you threw that ridiculous spring start where he was told to throw harder & faster, Cone was in the YES booth saying there’s something wrong with his arm. They still kept him out there throwing and who knows what kind of damage was done because of that.
Because of the criticism of that trade, I think the minute he can throw a fastball 92mph again (if that happens), they’ll push him although they may do it via the pen first.
A guy coming off major shoulder surgery having articles written how he’s vital to the team who still is in rehab essentially is a bad mix.
Mister Tom-
I’m here. What’s up ?
Rich-
Sanchez was the best comp in a survey of Pitchers who have had SLAP tears.
The study was posted here by Stoneburner a while back.
And it is true that it took Sanchez a while to get it totally together again.
The important point was that after he did he managed to stay relatively healthy and regain his pre-injury form.
let’s hope that Pineda can do as well, or better.
Unless they ship Pineda off to some non-Yankee facility to rehab, reporters are going to see him throwing and there are going to be articles written. There is nothing unusual about the way Pineda is rehabbing.
MTU
Serious question. Would the Yankees give him that much time, if it comes to that, to be a starter? Given the experience with Joba and their win-now mentality (although that could be tested if they shrink payroll too quickly), I’m skeptical.
Of course, maybe he will return to full strength more quickly. His overall arm health may be better.
Rich-
Here’s the link :
http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=16634
“Cone was in the YES booth saying there’s something wrong with his arm. They still kept him out there throwing and who knows what kind of damage was done because of that.”
I remember that. Some people refuse to face the shortcomings of their management team, but that was a siren blaring.
Rich-
I have no idea what the Yankees will or would do.
The fact of the matter is that the recovery from the injury will take what it takes. And whatever setbacks that may or may not occur will all be a part of it
If Pineda is mishandled that will only make matters worse.
If everything goes just right Pineda will do as well or even better than Sanchez.
Sanchez appears to have been a very good positive comp for Pineda according to the article.
The negative comps are not worth thinking about because they are pretty disastrous.
The optimist will hope for the good outcome.
Mister MTU,
I have an off-topic subject to discuss with you, involving smokeless powder. How do I get your email address, if you’ll permit it?
Everyone else, that’s smokeless GUN powder!
True. Thanks, MTU.
Tom-
Ask Chad to give your e-mail to me and I will establish a link by replying.
I doubt very much I can answer your question though. I will if I can.
My pleasure Rich.
That was an excellent article.
Grateful to Stoneburner for 1st posting it.
MTU,
You are a shooter, aren’t you? If not, I won’t bother you. Walking some of the trails you do makes me think you carry something with you Don’t want to talk about it here.
TGIF
One of my sisters didn’t let her boys play with plastic guns; I’m glad she lives out west.
I bought my daughter all kinds of guns in the dollar store, she had a great time.
“I got chastised yesterday for saying the Yankees will rush Pineda back. I believe they will do this whole heartedly. Last year when you threw that ridiculous spring start where he was told to throw harder & faster, Cone was in the YES booth saying there’s something wrong with his arm. They still kept him out there throwing and who knows what kind of damage was done because of that.”
g.love-
this is just no brainer stuff to me. i get it that you can just run a guy out there until he breaks. that’s one way of finding out quickly what you have. the problem is that sometimes you may have avoided the injury if more time was taken.
i don’t see the downside of more time from the pitchers’s point of view. i get it that from the yankees short view they thought that they needed hughes, joba, wang, and pineda when they rushed each one of them.
my criticism of the yankees is the spring training time and early season use of pitchers. they seem to just get these wild ideas in their heads and then sell it to gullible and naive sportswriters who pass it on as routine to fans.
yeah it’s routine for a pitcher to lose velocity some spring trainings and then get it as the season goes along. so that alone isn’t the red flag. i wasn’t that concerned about pineda’s loss of velocity last year as an isolated thing. i didn’t like him being fat and out of shape, trying to “improve” a so called third pitch, and being really counted on to win games while developing the change up i his first season n new york. i thought he should do it in the minors the first few months. had he been on a program to start the season at triple a, things would have been at a slower pace and there may have been no shoulder injury at all.
on the other hand , maybe the shoulder was a time bomb waiting to go off and the pressure to throw harder from girardi and cashman may have just shown where the weak spot was. my position is that had he been on a more deliberate program, they still would have found the time bomb if it was really there.
so there was no downside to going slow. my way has the upside that maybe pineda ends up with a healthy shoulder.
the yankees way of pushing forward when they don’t have to may be resulting in some serious injuries to the very pitchers they spend the most time on feeling they need them.
it’s pretty disgusting what the yankees do to the pitchers they give the most attention to. as i’ve said before. it’s really the kiss of death.
Tom-
Sorry for the delay.
Just give your e-mail to Chad and have him pass it to me.
We’ll go from there.