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Sabathia getting on the mound this morning

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Baseball puts a very real emphasis on stats, and surely CC Sabathia realizes he’s nine away from 200 career wins. Is that number in his mind as he enters this season?

“No, just 30 starts,” Sabathia said. “Just trying to make all my starts and make sure I stay healthy. After having the season I had last year, being on the DL a couple times, getting a little older, I just want to concentrate on staying health. Any kind of numbers I feel will be there if I’m healthy, so that’s the only thing I’m worried about.”

Sabathia is scheduled to throw his first bullpen this morning. Most likely, it won’t mean much — hard to put much meaning into a guy’s first bullpen of the spring — but there will be considerable attention because Sabathia just might be the least replaceable part of the Yankees roster. A healthy elbow and a dependable season are essential, and they can’t be taken for granted with Sabathia coming off of elbow surgery.

“I haven’t thrown any breaking balls or anything like that, but just letting the ball go feels good,” Sabathia said. “I’ll go fastball-changeup in that first bullpen. … Hopefully all that (discomfort) is gone and I can go out and have a healthy year.”

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30 Responses to “Sabathia getting on the mound this morning”

  1. yankeefeminista February 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am


  2. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    You can say that again :D.

    He looks terrific. Hope he safely lost that weight. You can mess with your heart if you lose too quickly. Be well, C!

  3. jmills February 16th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Hello guys. Mild up here. One could play outside,…if one were so inclined. I’m looking forward to hearing how jack Morris sounds on the radio. One Twin fan says he talks about the good old days ( and himself ) too much and how pitchers back then were,….pitchers. Jerry Howarth will have to tell him how he ain’t Dave Stieb.

  4. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am


    Can you give us a sense of how Betances is feeling coming into camp?

    He had an encouraging AFL stint – back to his more customary K/BB and GB/AO – but having not seen those outings, I wonder if he made any changes mechanically from his disastrous 2012 or solidified those changes….?

    Betances has been foolishly dismissed by general consensus, so he won’t likely be operating with much media scrutiny nor getting the candied tongue kiss of death from the FO (although Cashman reportedly continues to regard his arm highly). That can only help him work in some serenity; a good thing.

    Has there been some sort of resolution (I certainly hope not) that he is bullpen bound, to try to cash in on him now that his ranking has fallen and he has this year left on his deal and is on the 40? I guess they could always resign him since arb doesn’t come up yet…

    Any Betances feedback will be greatly appreciated. Still the most talented arm in the system, one which I continue to have high hopes for. Thanks.

  5. jmills February 16th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Alfred, its a good thing you’re asking Chad, because I can never answer your questions especially with words like noetics and stuff in them :D

  6. randy l. February 16th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    sabathia is the real deal and a legitimate ace. buying a pitcher like him is what the yankees are good at. because the plan is to finish first every year , they are going to be drafting at the bottom of the first round. sabathia was the twentieth pick when he was drafted so a team doesn’t have to be a top five to get an ace , but it helps. the yankees are not likely to be drafting aces.

    the yankees need to do what they are good at and forget what they aren’t good at. they are good at signing guys like sabathia and they are bad at development of aces or #2′s. the yankees can’t really mess up sabathia because he was a finished product before he ever came to them. no yankees pitching coach changes who sabathia is or what he does which is a plus.

    hal seems determined to try and do stuff the yankees are not good at. how’s manny banuelos and the killer b’s doing? i think i remember CB saying that the killer B’s were cashman last chance. most people ion this blog have the memory of a gnat. cashman’s last chance is always kicked down the road.

    now there’s a new group of a ball prospects coming along which is good for cashman because he can point 2-3 years down the road and keep his job dangling a carrot in front of gullible fans. the reality is sabathia carries this pitching staff and he was bought and paid for with cold hard cash.

    that’s what the yankees should be doing . if hal can’t afford to sit at the high stakes table he needs to remove himself from the game.

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    jmills February 16th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Alfred, its a good thing you’re asking Chad, because I can never answer your questions especially with words like noetics and stuff in them :D

    My noetics and your importunate cricket :) What a pair.

    At least, we both understand Davy Keon was sorely underestimated (kind of like how I feel about Betances :D ).

  8. Ys Guy February 16th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    im in the betances club with you guys. i’ve seen him pitch 4x and two of them were really impressive. (two of those times i was misled to believe i was going to see banuelos but there was a change)

    i have my doubts like others do but when he’s on he can become unhittable.

    if that guy could ever put it together he could be a beast.

    im hoping we all get to see that beast in pinstripes.

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 10:26 am


    We can only hope Hal is interested in selling the team. I don’t think he has any intention of turning over this front office. Even if he wastes Cashman, no doubt he is replaced by the “bright young mind” of Billy Eppler, who was the prime mover in Joba’s banishment to the bullpen after five minutes of starting and who therefore started the dominoes to begin to drop.

    The Yankees buy aces, but they may have traded one in Christian Garcia, who is in the bullpen right now for the Nationals but who, health willing (there’s the rub), will go back into the rotation, because the Nationals aren’t likely to waste an arm like that (whom Johnson compared with Strasburg’s) on one or two inning stints unless he can’t hold up.

    Like Betances, I saw a great deal of Garcia. He took my breath away with a crazy changeup that had like a split action to it and a remarkable curve ball.

    Betances and Garcia remain to this day the most talented arms I’ve seen coming through out system. My hope is, that having signed on Gil Patterson, our trend will turn from hamstringing an even eunuching (Joba) true front-end material into BP fodder will reverse, and we’ll start cashing in on guys like Betances, Jo-Ram, Bryan Mitchell, DePaula, Campos, etc.

  10. jacksquat February 16th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Betances has been foolishly dismissed by general consensus

    He has only been dismissed in your make believe world where you know things most others don’t because you are so brilliant.

    Everyone knows that Betances has a big arm and more than just a fastball, but has control problems.

  11. blake February 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    @RiverAveBlues: Yankees did not talk about a multi-year contract with Phil Hughes

    Makes no sense why they wouldn’t at least have the conversation and see what it would take

  12. Ys Guy February 16th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    betances ‘game’ is the fastball/change combination. his wind up is long and slow which leads the hitter to believe he’s throwing the change but then the fb explodes on you. hides the ball really well, too.

    at his height, control problems are expected and overcoming them is the key to the kingdom.

  13. yankeefeminista February 16th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Yes, we have some uber arms if they ever pan out. Good morning to you all and good bye. Heading to work; have a good Lohuddian discussion sans the endless cheap shots if you some of you can actually muster it. Catch you later.

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    i have my doubts like others do but when he’s on he can become unhittable.

    if that guy could ever put it together he could be a beast.

    im hoping we all get to see that beast in pinstripes.

    You’ve seen it so you know what I’m talking about. He has issues, no doubt. But it’s always been about the upside and he was always a high risk prospect. But when you’ve seen him live and you’ve seen it all working: high heat, 2-seam fb, change, curve, you grasp what he could become. Most people have not seen that and therefore dismiss that potential without much thought.

    Betances, and Garcia before him, are two guys I always clear my schedule for. They are just that good.

  15. yankee21 February 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Betances has a big time arm but he has been a big time disappointment at least to this point anyway. At some point it is up to him to decide what kind of pitcher he is and take responsibility for his career and progress. Obviously what he has done up to this point and what he has allowed the Yankee coaching to do with his mechanics has been an unmitigated disaster.

    For Betances this is a season in which he must turn it around. Otherwise he is history and will go the route of Brackman.

    I do hope he can reach his potential and having Gil Patterson around should at least as a minimum help him towards that end.

  16. yankee21 February 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    I saw Garcia pitch multiple times last year for WAS and he was a dominant a reliever as any I saw in baseball last year. Hopefully he can make the transition back to a SP and excel.

    The Yankees gave up on him and are paying the price. He has a special arm and more than that- absolute dogged determination.

    WAS gain, NYY loss.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am


    I liked what I heard about Patterson allowing his pitchers to consider their own kinesthetic comfort when it comes to mechanics.

    I didn’t like what they did with Betances last season, and he did not look comfortable at all and was giving up line drives and fly balls at rates that are not characteristic of him. Sometimes these kids are too suggestible and too cooperative, because they don’t want to get a rep. Maybe Patterson can help him help himself.

  18. Ys Guy February 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    someone was making the point yesterday that if hughes leaves, the yankees would be losing the investment they’ve put into his development. while this is true, anytime you sign an F/A you are getting the benefit of some other team’s development of the guy you signed.

    those are sunken costs, you never recover them. hughes isnt going to give them a discount b/c they ‘developed’ him and a different f/a pitcher isnt going to charge you more because someone else developed him.

    the benefit of developing a pitcher is what you get out of him while he’s relatively cheap (as compared to similar F/A’s.

    once the player reaches free agency, its over, you can’t consider the development cost when negotiating with hughes or any other FA pitcher..

  19. yankee21 February 16th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Ultimately it is up to Betances to insist that he be given a chance to do what he feels most comforably and confident doing.

    No question he has the stuff. The real questions are can he command the strike zone consistently. So far the answer has been a resounding no.

    Betances needs to get intense about his situation this year- his career as a Yankee is at stake. If I were him I’d flush the worry about getting some kind of rep and just go for it. What does he have to lose?

  20. yankee21 February 16th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Regardless of how Hughes does this year- IMO he is gone and will sign with a WC team as a FA.

    Marshall, Turley, Phelps and Nova all have a golden opportunity. Hopefully a couple of these guys take it and run with it as there will be open spots on the 2014 roster and likely 2013 due to inevitable injuries.

  21. DONNYBROOK February 16th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Sombody call the Fashion Police. That pic of Youk in The Post is atrocious. And those long black socks? Hideous. This dude looks like a cast member of Hee Haw in a baseball uni.

  22. randy l. February 16th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    “once the player reaches free agency, its over, you can’t consider the development cost when negotiating with hughes or any other FA pitcher..”

    the problem the yankees have is that they have their feet in separate canoes. one foot is in the heavily invested free agent canoe and the other foot is in the austerity development canoe .

    the obvious problem is that the yankees are really not good at development. it’ll take them years to be good at it and if they do, cashman won’t be there because he is developmentally challenged.

    hal is trying something new. great for him, but he’s going to have to fail once to realize this isn’t going to work. he will fail. the yankees will not be a team strong on development while hal’s there. hal’s not sharp enough in baseball to make it happen. his flaw is himself.

    but hal has cash. he can spend. he’s a steinbrenner. its in his DNA. hal , embrace your inner dark side. BUY some baseball players.

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Meant to say we let Garcia go, not that we traded him. We did not trade him, but cut him lose.

    His never being able to stay healthy was the reason, but I would have been loathe to let him go, all the same.

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Nationals | Enamored with Christian Garcia

    Washington Nationals manager Davey Johnson said SP Christian Garcia’s stuff is almost at the level of SP Stephen Strasburg, and the team thinks he could be a starter.

    2013-02-14 09:58:49 | Source: – Jon Paul Morosi

    Read more:

  25. Tar February 16th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    “have a good Lohuddian discussion sans the endless cheap shots”

    “Cheap shots” reminds me of happy hour :D .

    Darn it’s only 11am. I guess i’ll have to stick to the lattes.

  26. Doreen February 16th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    randy l -

    Here’s the thing – it’s not a bad thing to try the new direction and it’s not even a bad thing to fail – success can grow from failure – you see something went wrong, try to ascertain what went wrong and possibly why, and then go about make corrections. It takes time.

    In my mind, it is fair to allow a certain amount of time for the Yankees to reset the course. You are right – they have never before had to rely on their farm system to the degree they will need to rely on it going forward; and free agency was their friend to a great degree. But the landscape of free agency has changed, the landscape of solvency of other teams and their wilingness to spend has changed, as well. So it would be foolish for them to just keep upping the ante. Doing just that has put them where they are to an extent.

    I don’t pretend to know what/how the Yankees do development and scouting-wise. I always agreed that why shouldn’t the Yankees spend money on the foundation, even before the CBA and the new landscapes, and I still think they should do that.

    But I think sea change like this – a change in the way they’re going to go about business – takes time.

    And with the goal to finish first, as you said, they are never going to be able to draft the top notch guys, so no head start.

    They’ve been trying to retool on the go for several years now. I think we’re witnessing how very difficult that is to do.

    The goal has to be balance. A good foundation complemented by the ability to spend where necessary.

  27. Ys Guy February 16th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    betances just need to start breathing through his eyelids…

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Betances did complain about getting pulled on several occasions when he felt he would have liked the opportunity to stay in and get himself out of trouble.

    I’ve been at a few of those starts, and it seems that, no matter how the kid is throwing (they’ve done this to Manny, too), if he’s at a certain pitch count they will just pull him, regardless of circumstances. Often, he’s regained a rhythm and has like a guy on 1st and one out (he’s always a groundball away from ending the inning in these cases), or he put a couple on and then whiffs two in a row and they won’t let him try and get the third out, stuff like that. Both Betances and Warren (at AAA when he opened up about it) both expressed dismay that they have not been allowed to work through trouble in the later innings if they’re near or at prescribed pitch counts, even if they’ve got a second wind and are throwing easy, or in Betances’ case, he’s refound the strike zone and looks poised to get out of a jam.

    I don’t see how this helps young pitchers learn to clean up their own mistakes or prove to themselves they can forge ahead and wriggle out of trouble. This is what great pitchers must learn to do, can’t live on stuff alone.

    Maybe we’ll see a more intuitive approach with Patterson casting about the system.

  29. jmills February 16th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Spring training, fun, fun , fun

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