Quick pitching notes: Hughes, Phelps, Montgomery
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 19, 2013 
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• Phil Hughes has a sore upper back. He hurt himself during fielding drills yesterday — he was going to cover first base — and was sent to a doctor today. Joe Girardi expects Hughes to miss a “few days” but doesn’t think it’s too serious. He said the lower back is usually more problematic. The upper back is usually a short-term thing.
• David Phelps will start Saturday’s spring opener. Adam Warren will start on Sunday.
• Mark Montgomery played catch today. He’d been sidelined with a sore lower back — “A little stiffness,” he said — but it’s possible he’ll be cleared to throw a side as early as Thursday. “Everything went good today,” he said.
I hope they bring a bunch of interesting guys to Phelps’ game as I will be there in person. its the first game so should be lots of prospects.
Rich in NJ February 19th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
“I don’t think it’s ever all about the money for a lot of guys… I just think what we consider to be small things are big things to them. Like I said, a shorted offer in terms of years could give him plenty of money, maybe even a higher AAV than in other deals, but he might deem it an insult. And that’s just not something that we can relate to any experience we’ve had in terms of our jobs and job offers.”
This suggests to me that the pendulum has swung too far in the players’ direction. It’s just not smart business to commit that much money for so many years without an out. No other sport does it. But the owners have no one to blame but themselves.
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If this were true they wouldn’t still give them out. The reality is the value of the contracts relates exclusively to the health of MLB overall. I know other leagues don’t do them.. but in the NFL especially it’s sort of sick that they don’t guarantee dollars.
Jerkface February 19th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
I hope they bring a bunch of interesting guys to Phelps’ game as I will be there in person. its the first game so should be lots of prospects.
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You can tell us what you see with your eyes!!!!
You can tell us what you see with your eyes!!!!
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Nah gonna bring a laptop and watch the game through a webcam.
RAB says Hughes left Game 3 of the ALCS with a stiff back, but I dont remember that at all, was it also in the shoulder area? If Hughes has developed stiffness in the shoulder area while doing baseball things that doesnt bode well.
If anyone believes that Dan Johnson can replace Eric Chavez, they are sadly mistaken. Johnson is a career .235 hitter vs. righties. No way he should make this team. He is at best some depth for the AAA bench.
“Yankees starter Phil Hughes was lifted in the fourth because of a stiff back, but right now it’s the Yankees’ hitting that has them on the brink of elimination. New York is batting .182 for the series and .200 during the postseason.”
From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/mlb/recap?id=321016106
I’ll try to find more detail instead of doing my real job….
PH left the ALCS game with discomfort in his lower back. Rothschild noticed him stretching between innings and then he and Joe didn’t think Phil was following through in next inning so they took him out.
No injury is good, but stiff/ sore shoulder form covering 1st doesn’t sound as bad as “felt soreness while throwing bullpen”
Huuuughes!!!
It was mild stiffness in the lower back, and Hughes was cleared to throw the very next day.
If this were true they wouldn’t still give them out. The reality is the value of the contracts relates exclusively to the health of MLB overall. I know other leagues don’t do them.. but in the NFL especially it’s sort of sick that they don’t guarantee dollars.
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Isn’t that like almost like saying there is no such thing as a bad contract?
I think too many owner don’t make on the field financial decisions from as a detached perspective as they would in their other businesses.
As to the Yankees, in particular, it was one thing when they were willing to outspend any mistake they made in a contract. If that is no longer true, any business rationale for dumb contracts is necessarily not as good a business move.
The NFL guarantees contract up to the amount of a bonus. The hard cap forces far tougher choices than anything that exists in MLB.
Edit: “If that is no longer true, any business rationale for dumb contracts is necessarily not as strong.”
Isn’t that like almost like saying there is no such thing as a bad contract?
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Not really, every team is different. A bad contract for one team could be a great one for another if they can support it.
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The hard cap forces far tougher choices than anything that exists in MLB.
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Yeah it does. Which is ridiculous, because it only hurts the players (in a league where there is the most money floating around). The only point of having a cap or the types of taxes MLB is introducing is to curb player salaries. There’s no reason to not sign them if they teams are raking in enough to support the contracts and still earn crazy profits. The Dodgers might be an extreme example and for all I know it could one day all burst but it’s probably very unlikely it ever will.
“Not really, every team is different. A bad contract for one team could be a great one for another if they can support it.”
I would imagine that the number of great contracts with a term over 5 years given to players over 30 is pretty low.
“Yeah it does. Which is ridiculous, because it only hurts the players (in a league where there is the most money floating around). The only point of having a cap or the types of taxes MLB is introducing is to curb player salaries. There’s no reason to not sign them if they teams are raking in enough to support the contracts and still earn crazy profits. The Dodgers might be an extreme example and for all I know it could one day all burst but it’s probably very unlikely it ever will.”
TBH, I only care about fans, not players. Long-term contracts are more likely to hurt fans by tying a team’s hands than a shorter one.
Both players and owners get rich. Beyond that, it’s not my concern.
I just want to root for a team that has as much financial flexibility as possible in the context of a fairly large payroll ever year.
That’s why good caps contain floors as well.
I’m sure glad we didn’t trade pitching as many suggested….the injuries are already coming……
I feel better that it happened during fielding drills and not from pitching.
Eh, I don’t really buy that caps help fans… I mean, they create parity which I guess people are allowed to be fans of but overall I think they hurt the level of competition on the field.
Salary caps help the owners.
^ Yeah when people talk about how one contract handcuffs a team.. I mean.. sometimes I think that’s true but mostly because I think it means an FO makes a mistake and is stuck with it.
That seems like fair play to me.
Ideally, there are no caps and you root for a team that spends a tone.
But that is no longer the situation we find ourselves in.
You have to distinguish between hard and soft caps. Hard caps at least give poorly run teams a chance at resetting their payrolls.
Since fans are powerless to pick their owners, I am pro-hard cap in a salary cap world
GregD February 19th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
I’m sure glad we didn’t trade pitching as many suggested….the injuries are already coming……
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Many people suggested trading Hughes so it would have been the perfect plan!
MLB Network will be televising the game live this Saturday.
I might have to check out a few innings to get my Yankees fix
That really sucks that it looks like the first game this Saturday won’t be televised anywhere. Doesn’t even look like MLB.TV is going to bring it.
Unknown
Did you read my post.
MLB Network will have the game on the air, as well as roughly 140 MLB Spring Training games
through the end of March
@YankeesWFAN
Line drive hit right at Ichiro today, he leaned over and caught it behind his back. Told me he would never try it in a game.
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He should.
WTP – No I guess I didn’t.
The schedule here: http://mlb.mlb.com/network/sch....._Games.jsp
says it’s going to be the Mets game and the Yankees game on Sunday will be shown.
Hopefully that is wrong I guess.
^ Doesn’t look like the game will be on Saturday.
Hughes hurt his upper back being overly aggressive at the ……….training table!
comnsnse February 19th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Hughes hurt his upper back being overly aggressive at the ……….training table!
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Better there than at the………………..buffet table!
Chad:
Did you get a chance to see Greg Bird hit? Was wondering if his power is as advertised
Tack, brain freeze,touche’.