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Thursday morning notes: Joseph focused on patience, not power

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 21, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

At one point this winter, I asked assistant GM Billy Eppler whether the power Corban Joseph showed last season would be sustainable. Eppler’s response: Shake Joseph’s hand, then decide for yourself.

So I did that this morning.

I’d met Joseph before, and he comes across as a soft-spoken guy from Tennessee. He’s not particularly big, and he’s a second baseman — where you don’t think of power — but he’s a strong guy. Last season he slugged .465 with 15 homers and 29 doubles between Triple-A and Double-A.

“I think (the power) is in there,” Joseph said. “I spent a lot of this offseason really working hard and dedicating Monday through Friday to intense workouts and just trying to get as strong as I possibly could to come down here and be ready to go.”

Here’s what I really took away from this morning’s conversation though: It’s not the home runs that Joseph’s proud of. After 104 strikeouts and 59 walks in 2011, Joseph struck out just 70 times last year. He walked 68 times; very nearly a 1-for-1 ratio. It’s amazing the things that happen when you swing at good pitches.

“In high school I hit a few home runs,” Joseph said. “But I really didn’t think about it. Just trying to do what’s best for the team ever since I got here. I really challenged myself last year on being more selective, and getting that promotion to Triple-A, I really focused a lot because I was with a lot of veterans and guys who have been there (to the big leagues) and trying to get back there. For the team, I really had to challenge myself and focus more on sitting on the pitch. I had to learn a few things when I got there on sitting on certain pitches.”

• Hiroki Kuroda is throwing live batting practice today. It’s a little hard to match up these things, but it looks like he’ll probably be facing the hitting group of big league outfielders (Granderson, Gardner, Ichiro and Rivera).

• Another day at third base for Dan Johnson. Joseph is also getting some time there during infield drills. If the Yankees are going to carry a left-handed bat, those two seem to be the most obvious options.

• Outfielders are all lumped together again today. They’re working on deep routes and throwing to bases. There’s no definition of individual outfield positions for these drills, so we won’t be able to speculate about what it means about the Yankees plans for center field.

• The starters who are farthest ahead are each throwing sides today. That means David Phelps, Adam Warren, Brett Marshall and Nik Turley. We already know Phelps and Warren are starting the first two games of the spring. I tend to think Marshall and Turley will also be featured in those games.

• Simulated games (facing Ramon Flores, Melky Mesa and Jose Pirela):

Vidal Nuno (throwing to J.R. Murphy)
Cody Eppley (Chris Stewart)
Chase Whitley (Francisco Cervelli)
Preston Claiborne (Francisco Arcia)

• Batting practice (facing individual hitting groups)

Hiroki Kuroda (Bobby Wilson)
Jim Miller (Austin Romine)
Zach Nuding (Gary Sanchez)
Ryan Pope (Kyle Higashioka)

• Infield drills:

Group 1
Greg Bird (1B), Robinson Cano (2B), Walter Ibarra (2B), Dan Johnson (3B), Luke Murton (1B), Jayson Nix (2B/3B), Eduardo Nunez (SS), Rob Segedin (3B)

Group 2
Cito Culver (SS), Corban Joseph (2B/3B), Addison Maruszak (3B, 2B), Jose Pirela (2B), Kyle Roller (1B), Mark Teixeira (1B), Gil Velazquez (SS), Kevin Youkilis (3B)

• Batting practice groups (same as usual):

Group 1
Robinson Cano, Travis Hafner, Derek Jeter, Eduardo Nunez

Group 2
Dan Johnson, Jayson Nix, Mark Teixeira, Kevin Youkilis

Group 3
Brett Gardner, Curtis Granderson, Juan Rivera, Ichiro Suzuki

Group 4
Matt Diaz, Melky Mesa, Ronnier Mustelier, Thomas Neal

Group 5
Corban Joseph, Addison Maruszak, Luke Murton, Gil Velazquez

Group 6
Zoilo Almonte, Slade Heathcott, Kyle Roller, Rob Segedin

Group 7
Greg Bird, Cito Culver, Walter Ibarra, Jose Pirela

Group 8
Tyler Austin, Ramon Flores, Adonis Garcia

Associated Press photo

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127 Responses to “Thursday morning notes: Joseph focused on patience, not power”

  1. MTU February 21st, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Two baseball brothers Corban and Caleb.

    Really great names.

  2. MTU February 21st, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Later gang.

  3. DONNYBROOK February 21st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    The thing that immediately draws my attention to a young player like the one above, is the reversed First and Last names. There is More to a name, (and in this case), a Full name, than most people realize.

  4. Jerkface February 21st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    @JackCurryYES

    Granderson will start taking flyballs in left field today. This is precursor to Gardner shifting to CF and Granderson moving to LF.

    \o/ Good common sense move

  5. pat February 21st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    eboland11
    Fan to Girardi:”Hey Joe, you’re going to have to bunt more this year! Score more runs!” Girardi did not appear to jot it down

  6. austinmac February 21st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Doreen is after Hal, Shame is after Chad, and I am wondering if George’s daughter is still single. Although I have never seen her, I bet she is lovely inside and out. If her ex was in line to run the team, why can’t I?

  7. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Jack Curry is about as inside at it gets, so that would be really good news, and props to them if it’s enduring.

  8. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 11:34 am

    mac – LOL!

    From the last thread, I wasn’t trying to give or take credit from anyone I was just asking if the $189 budget ends up not coming to fruition what might the narrative become? Will it be that it was never really an issue and that the spoiled, entitled fans just blew it out of proportion or will it be that the spoiled, entitled fan push-back genuinely worried the franchise?

  9. Ys Guy February 21st, 2013 at 11:34 am

    so apparently derek jeter actually does have a personality

    and if you make him millions of dollars he will display in in front of people who paid thousands to listen and get an autograph.

  10. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Hehehehehehe…this is almost as weird as the time that the Angels signed CJ Wilson and the Yankees still ended up being a part of the story lol.

    @NYDNsports

    SHAVING FACE? Now Rays ace David Price calls the Yankees the best organization in sports: http://nydn.us/YJ0Xci

  11. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    It’d be pretty cool to see if Joseph can handle 3B.

  12. Ys Guy February 21st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    im guessing david price’s agent explained to him how the game of huge money contracts works…

  13. Mike Ri February 21st, 2013 at 11:45 am

    im guessing david price?s agent explained to him how the game of huge money contracts works?

    —-
    lol lol lol

  14. Jerkface February 21st, 2013 at 11:52 am

    The Yankees game this saturday probably wont be on TV, but will be on MLB radio if anyone wants to catch it. I’m assuming this means amateur game callers and not the real radio guys, so probably one of the host pairs.

  15. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 11:52 am

    “if the $189 budget ends up not coming to fruition what might the narrative become? Will it be that it was never really an issue and that the spoiled, entitled fans just blew it out of proportion or will it be that the spoiled, entitled fan push-back genuinely worried the franchise?”

    I am giving to credit to G. Love’s source.

  16. jacksquat February 21st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    If the Yankees abandon 189 it will surely be because of lack of ticket sales.

    I’d imagine a lot of fans are thinking “You want to cut payroll, but raise my ticket prices?”, and then the NYFU…

  17. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Jerkface February 21st, 2013 at 11:52 am

    The Yankees game this saturday probably wont be on TV, but will be on MLB radio if anyone wants to catch it. I’m assuming this means amateur game callers and not the real radio guys, so probably one of the host pairs.

    ———————

    I was looking forward to the Sunday game and then realized that I need to go to a pizza making class…. (yes, I’m a walking stereotype).

    I might need to tape it just to get my fix.

  18. Doreen February 21st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Ohgawd! I am not after Hal! LOL

  19. Wave Your Hat February 21st, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    So who’s available if the Yanks do abandon $189M?

  20. DONNYBROOK February 21st, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    - “MY BOOK”- by Donnybrook (chapter 1)

    (1) JEET – - Stands tall, takes responsibility, a credit to family and team.

    (2) A-ROD – Vain, (always looks like he hopped outta the barber chair), lies Consistently.

    (3) PAULIE – Painfully shy, does whatever asked and does it very well, adverse to water coolers.

    (4) BERNIE – Best Yankee OF’er since Mantle.

    (5) POSADA – Vastly underappreciated. Used and abused. Merits a plaque.

    (6) TINO – Class, class, and more class.

    (7) MO – Says more in fewer words than any Yankee in my time.

  21. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Doreen February 21st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Ohgawd! I am not after Hal! LOL

    —————–

    I am after Chad… :D

  22. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 11:52 am

    “if the $189 budget ends up not coming to fruition what might the narrative become? Will it be that it was never really an issue and that the spoiled, entitled fans just blew it out of proportion or will it be that the spoiled, entitled fan push-back genuinely worried the franchise?”

    I am giving to credit to G. Love’s source.

    ———————-

    I might go ahead and give credit to Fake Peter Gammons.

  23. austinmac February 21st, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Wave,

    Your question about availabilty of players is a good one. I have said a number of times with the very limited free agent pool for next year, their is a problem even if they spend money.

    They should have signed players to reasonable multi-year contracts over the past few years so they wouldn’t have to replace half the team at one time.

  24. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    “I might go ahead and give credit to Fake Peter Gammons.”

    Let’s hope there is credit to be given. :D

  25. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 21st, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    errr Blue – - – -errr Blow – - — errr Black – - – -

  26. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    “One thing that can be guaranteed regardless of what happens – you can remove the “fans” from the spoiled, entitled – that part has been revoked – – – – -”

    Don’t be so hard on yourself.

  27. pat February 21st, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    LoHudYankees
    Outfielders just rotated. Gardner in right, Granderson in center, Ichiro in left. At this point, they’re just messing with us, right?

    LoHudYankees
    Ok. Now Ichiro in center; BOTH Granderson and Gardner in right. #outsidethebox

    Practicing the shift or Girardi punking beat writers?

  28. Tackelberry February 21st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Practicing the shift or Girardi punking beat writers?

    ____________________________________

    Maybe Girardi is playing the Cupid Shuffle out of earshot of the writers

  29. blake February 21st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Wave Your Hat says:
    February 21, 2013 at 12:01 pm
    So who’s available if the Yanks do abandon $189M?

    Phil Hughes ?

  30. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I want to thank Hughes for positioning himself to be had at a discount…

  31. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    I said earlier in the off season that if by some awful occurrence both Grandy and Gardner went down at the same time they’d be likely to put Ichiro in CF over anyone in the system lol.

  32. blake February 21st, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    @DanBarbarisi: Ichiro just took Kuroda deep during BP, waved his helmet to the crowd after the homer. The two countrymen rarely speak.

  33. G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    I definitely think the push back from the fans has been felt. Ticket sales are off. They’ve admitted this.

    I also think they take the temperature from the blogs, although if you go over to RAB there are more pro front office ownership types there than I’ve seen anywhere even though the guy who created the blog is more reactionary like a lot of us. I almost wonder if the voice of the blog is one way, do the posters automatically line up to be contrarians?

    In any event, the proof is in the pudding. They want to play the 1st half with this team and see where it ends up, I’m all for it. But if the team is struggling with the bats and we have no viable replacements and it appears $ and contracts are preventing them from repairing the team? They’re going to have some ‘splainin to do.

    I want them to sign Cano. I think Cano is going to segue into a latter portion of his career where he’ll be a big Papi like DH.

    What I don’t want to hear is “we signed Cano so we’re be playing Little Dante Girardi & his friends at C for the next 10 years”.

    Be the Yankees for crying out loud. If you haven’t developed a viable replacement? Go find one.

    And I don’t think they should go out and do something big long-term for the OF unless it’s Stanton or someone similar. I think with Gardner and Ichiro on the books next year, they should see if any of these OF kids can make the jump. That being said, getting a 2 year deal on a strong RH hitting OF who crushes LHP should not be off the table because we have exciting prospects in the pipeline.

    Right now? I think the focus should be on 3b, SS, C long term & finding a true middle of the order bat to pair somewhere with Cano if we keep him.

    And FakePeteGammons sources are livid the Yankees may not intentionally tank their team. They’re petitioning Bud Selig to ban the Yankees from spending money for the next 10 years based upon the “best interests of baseball in Boston” provision in the commissioners office.

  34. randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    so with hal already crumbling under the criticism, it appears that all us naysayers concerning hal’s idiotic 189 plan have been right all along.

    ho hum

    ownership and management suppoters take another drubbing as usual.

    good to keep the boycott going though just in case hal changes his mind again :)

  35. blake February 21st, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    @JackCurryYES: Granderson in LF, Gardner in CF and Ichiro in RF during bp right now. Ladies and gentlemen, thats your 2013 outfield for Yankees.

    One of the best in baseball defensively or should be

  36. blake February 21st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    One player they should consider if the budget plans are dropped…..Brian McCann

  37. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    “I almost wonder if the voice of the blog is one way, do the posters automatically line up to be contrarians?”

    Like, if the voice is a Yankee fan who bends over backwards to be solicitous of RS fans, do the Yankee fans become even more anti-RS?

  38. blake February 21st, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    “Right now? I think the focus should be on 3b, SS, C long term & finding a true middle of the order bat to pair somewhere with Cano if we keep him.”

    The no budget Yankees would have their crosshairs on chase Headley and Elvis Andrus who are both set to hit free agency after 2014……Headley will be traded this winter IMO

  39. blake February 21st, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Summer I mean

  40. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    @DKnobler

    Pudge Rodriguez hired as Rangers special assistant, team announces

  41. Ys Guy February 21st, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    so some hack hears that the yankees have had discussions about an extension with cano and decides that it means hal is now george and the $189 budget has been abandoned.

    i dont buy it.

    ive always said they’d go over if they feel the need to and keeping cano was probably always in the ‘if we have to’ category.

    i dont think things have changed anywhere near what wallace matthews, and now most of lohud is believing they have.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 21st, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    “it wouldn’t have hurt to have had joba developed as a starter too”

    Randy, there are some things that hurt my heart every time I think about them: my perception of the way Joba was handled (or was not handled actually) by the Yankees that ended up being to his detriment; my perception that Phil got preferential treatment over Joba by Eiland; Hughes being rushed to the majors – of necessity at that point in time I understand – and how it may have ended up hurting his development and potentially even his career. It also kills me that Joba is not a starter.

    :(

  43. G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    blake,

    If they are willing to spend, they can rebuild on the fly and stay atop the division.

    Quite honestly, a lot of this is in the hands of the fans. If they don’t show up at usual numbers, that will become the story and the Yankees will be forced to react or lose stature.

    I still think they’re planning to be under 189, I just think the way things are shaping up unless this team plays .633 ball out of the gate it’s going to be difficult to stick to their guns.

    I also think they realize the doomsday scenario (for 189) is Mo, Jeter, Andy, Kuroda and Cano all openly want to return and the Yankees use $ & budget as reasons why they can’t retain some of them. If that ever happened? They’d possibly lose a quarter of the fanbase overnight because it wasn’t motivated by having internal options ready for the majors, it’d be motivated by profits.

  44. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    As we have said, the Yankees will probably be loaded with attractive trade chips within a year. The keys will be knowing who to keep and a willingness to spend and/or say no if the asking price is too high.

  45. blake February 21st, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    G love,

    I think they still plan to get under as well if things go the way they hope….but I’m hoping they shift gears if things go sideways and perhaps the fan backlash will help ensure that

  46. randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    “The no budget Yankees would have their crosshairs on chase Headley and Elvis Andrus who are both set to hit free agency after 2014……Headley will be traded this winter IMO”

    i think hal is just feeling the wrath of the fans and is just spinning out a new plan rather than actually expanding spending to what it should be.

    i think hal is just buying time until he sells and get a few billion.

    hal must know that he can’t grow the team’s value. it’s probably at a high water mark right now.
    i think he’s just trying to get some of the media heat off him while he figures out how to get the most for the team. fans and the media aren’t buying the 189 thing .

  47. randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    “Quite honestly, a lot of this is in the hands of the fans. If they don’t show up at usual numbers, that will become the story and the Yankees will be forced to react or lose stature”

    YANKEE FAN BOYCOTT

    i like just saying this and thinking how hal hates these three words going out into the blogosphere.

  48. austinmac February 21st, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    I agree the idea the budget plan is scrapped is wishful thinking. It could happen, but Hal sure doesn’t want it to. As many of us have said for a long time, they could lose far more money than they save. If so, then the plan will change. Until they believe that, I doubt it very much.

  49. G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    randy,

    That’s the thing though – leaking to Matthews that the “plan is changing” without any evidence of the plan changing does nothing.

    What would do something is them going out and getting a real starting C and a OF who can hit against LHP.

    I’ll give them to the trade deadline to “evaluate”. If by then, we’re still looking at major predicted holes in this lineup and they only narrow their search to players on 1 year deals that are expiring and pass on gettable guys who could help the team who have less desirable contracts then we’ll know it was all bunk.

    They are feeling the push back from us. But admitting they’re feeling it doesn’t buy them much of anything. Showing us that shoring up the team in the present without mortgaging the future would be a nice start. They have guys they can trade to fill some holes in this years team. It’s just too bad they passed on signing the guys who only cost money that could’ve accomplished the same thing.

  50. MTU February 21st, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Wave-

    Here is at least a partial list of those currently available :

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

  51. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    “hal must know that he can’t grow the team’s value. it’s probably at a high water mark right now.”

    I don’t believe that at all When has the value of a major sports franchise gone on a downward trajectory, and with the likelihood of increasing revenues from tv, internet, and merchandising, not to mention the chance of an improving economy? I see no reason to expect that to change.

    Sure, there can be short-term fluctuations, like decreased interest if the team underperforms, but that can be changed fairly quickly by spending and smarter decision-making, even if the team can’t reasonably expected to win the WS.

    The value of the NYY and YES have not topped out.

  52. G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    randy,

    I’ll never boycott the Yankees.

    To me, a fan who boycotts them has to call up their cable provider and cancel YES. The Yankees make money off of our YES subs. It’s part of what makes them the richest team in the league. I can’t not watch the team. I watched us during the Henry Cotto/Dale Berra years. Stopping now is cutting my nose off to spite my face.

    But those of us in the tri-state area can speak with our wallets by not spending what we normally do at their valhalla of decadence in the Bronx. That’s what will hurt the owners and by hurt, it’s more of a mosquito bite to them.

    If the projections financially are off in that area they will be forced to listen to their customers.

    It’s a tricky time in NY. With Mo, Andy, Jeter possibly fading into the sunset if the Mets ever got their act together in the next couple of years they could steal fair weather fans who’ve been littering the Yankees pockets with money for almost 2 decades now. It happened in the 80′s. I was a kid raised as a Yankee fan and even we went to Shea to see Darryl, Doc, Gary and Hernandez beat the brains out of their competition.

    I know this town is fickle. If the team struggles once the icons are gone there will be less money for the Yankees to make and their value will decrease.

    They need to keep reloading, developing, signing, trading and have a serious long term plan that doesn’t change minute to minute when a new idea pops in someone’s head about how to save a couple of bucks.

  53. randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    “I’ll give them to the trade deadline to “evaluate”. If by then, we’re still looking at major predicted holes in this lineup and they only narrow their search to players on 1 year deals that are expiring and pass on gettable guys who could help the team who have less desirable contracts then we’ll know it was all bunk.”

    g.love-

    the problem is with so much parity and teams in the hunt, there aren’t a lot of players moving at the trading deadline. the trading deadline isn’t like it used to be.

    i think hal is clever in that he can spin that he’s trying with cano without there really being any danger of him having to put up or shut up because cano is 18 months away.

    the part that amuses me is how the collective wisdom of this blog seems to be always ahead of hal.
    hal’s living in the past world like some middle eastern despot who underestimates the power of social media and blogs.

  54. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    I hope what they’re re-evaluating is the timing of getting under their budget.

    We really could use an OFer and a C for the next 1-3 years to give Mason, Sanchez and friends time to get up here.

  55. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Teams usually overpay in trade deadline deals. If they underperform this year, I hope they are sellers rather than buyers, and then reset and up payroll in the offseason.

  56. Rich in NJ February 21st, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
    Girardi on Grandy in LF, Gardner in CF “we’re going to toy with it and see how we like it” #Yankees

  57. Wave Your Hat February 21st, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    MTU-

    Not many gamechangers available. I think the austerity plan has pretty much limited the future whether they stick to it or not. Now if they are willing to trade current assets for future ones that would change things but that’s not been the Yankee way.

  58. jacksquat February 21st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    so with hal already crumbling under the criticism, it appears that all us naysayers concerning hal’s idiotic 189 plan have been right all along.

    ho hum

    ownership and management suppoters take another drubbing as usual.

    good to keep the boycott going though just in case hal changes his mind again

    We are far from any confirmation of the no 189 rumor.

    No one has any real information about ticket sales at this point either afaik.

    It’s all conjecture. But feel free to declare yourself right!

  59. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I’ve thought from early on in the off season the plan might be to reup contracts of the guys they want returning and then waiting to see where they are by the All-Star break in terms of team performance, prospect development, and how that compares to other clubs (that might become buyers/sellers).

    Maybe they do make that move for Giancarlo if guys like Mason and Sanchez make noise.

    Or maybe they do go after Headley if Youk goes down and we have some pieces to work with.

  60. jacksquat February 21st, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    LoHudYankees
    Ok. Now Ichiro in center; BOTH Granderson and Gardner in right. #outsidethebox

    Practicing the shift or Girardi punking beat writers?

    This is the Hughes Shift.

  61. Against All Odds February 21st, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 21st, 2013 at 1:04 pm
    “it wouldn’t have hurt to have had joba developed as a starter too”

    Randy, there are some things that hurt my heart every time I think about them: my perception of the way Joba was handled (or was not handled actually) by the Yankees that ended up being to his detriment; my perception that Phil got preferential treatment over Joba by Eiland; Hughes being rushed to the majors – of necessity at that point in time I understand – and how it may have ended up hurting his development and potentially even his career. It also kills me that Joba is not a starter.

    ———————————

    I seriously believe they had no idea what they were doing. You know when someone tries something new but they don’t have a good grasp on it and therefore the results reflect that. This is what happened with the Yankees and developing pitching. They had no idea how to actually do it because they never had to before and unfortunately the first batch of kids were guinea pigs

  62. MTU February 21st, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Wave -

    It always has been my position that we need to trade as part of a successful strategy.

    ;)

  63. G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    jacksquat,

    You keep repeating the same stuff yet Yankee exec Lonn Trost went live on Mike Francesa’s show here in NY and said ticket sales are off for the year. You think he was making that up?

    He opined for almost 15 minutes how they have to offer more to the fans in the future to keep them happy since the ticket sales are off.

    I keep seeing you say we have no confirmation that this is true, but it’s true. It came from the front office.

  64. randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    “To me, a fan who boycotts them has to call up their cable provider and cancel YES. The Yankees make money off of our YES subs. It’s part of what makes them the richest team in the league. I can’t not watch the team. I watched us during the Henry Cotto/Dale Berra years. Stopping now is cutting my nose off to spite my face.

    But those of us in the tri-state area can speak with our wallets by not spending what we normally do at their valhalla of decadence in the Bronx. That’s what will hurt the owners and by hurt, it’s more of a mosquito bite to them”

    g love-

    yeah, that makes sense . i’m out of the area and watch on mlb.tv so the yankees only get 1/30 th of that.

    the idea of a boycott might mean just cutting back on just buying tickets. everyone can do it in their own way. i firmly believe the sooner fans strike back with their wallets the quicker hal cycles through his craziness.

    the fastest way to get the yankees on track is to BOYCOTT the yankees in however way each fan feels they can.

  65. blake February 21st, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    “Not many gamechangers available”

    Not after 2013….but some nice players scheduled to be available after 2014…..of course that’s if they reach the market

  66. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    The Hughes’ shift would require one of our OFers in the stands right around the foul pole.

  67. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I think the stuff with Stubhub was miscalculated… attendance is going to look even thinner on the lower levels with those price floors.

    I bet most STH’s down there end up using Stubhub anyway.

  68. Russell Munson February 21st, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    “To me, a fan who boycotts them has to call up their cable provider and cancel YES. The Yankees make money off of our YES subs. ”

    I don’t think that’s an option for people in the Yankees’ TV market. YES forced their way onto the basic tier and the only way to opt out is to opt out of a lot of other programming too.

  69. randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    “The Hughes’ shift would require one of our OFers in the stands right around the foul pole.”

    ichiro up the foul pole might be a good idea.

  70. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    “The Hughes’ shift would require one of our OFers in the stands right around the foul pole.”

    ichiro up the foul pole might be a good idea.

    ———————

    I kinda like this idea even if Hughes isn’t pitching…

  71. randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    “We are far from any confirmation of the no 189 rumor.

    No one has any real information about ticket sales at this point either afaik.

    It’s all conjecture. But feel free to declare yourself right!”

    jacksquat-

    just try to keep up or pull over to the slow lane please :)

  72. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    I didn’t even realize Trost said that on WFAN.

    And yes, the YES Network is packaged with other programming… we’ll never get a la carte channels because no one would ever buy 4 CSPANS.

  73. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    I didn’t mean to start any arguments, I just think it will be interesting if they do decide against a stringent budget going forward how the narrative will play out.

  74. G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Shame,

    Trost admitted that on Francesa live. He then went on to talk about how they have to offer more to the fan than just the game experience to keep them interested.

    They don’t realize that it’s the team on the field that we just care about. It’s not having iPad integration with the game while in my seat.

    Most of us have read the tea leaves about this budget nonsense and have been frustrated with the team, or more specifically the offense, in the playoffs the past few years. It’s not just a few of us on a blog who see and recognize these things. It’s bigger and it’s having an impact.

    I still think it will take awhile to see a move made in contradiction of the budget plan. I think they’re going to take this as far as they can get away with it before truly punting on the profit windfall plan.

  75. jacksquat February 21st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    jacksquat,

    You keep repeating the same stuff yet Yankee exec Lonn Trost went live on Mike Francesa’s show here in NY and said ticket sales are off for the year. You think he was making that up?

    He opined for almost 15 minutes how they have to offer more to the fans in the future to keep them happy since the ticket sales are off.

    I keep seeing you say we have no confirmation that this is true, but it’s true. It came from the front office.

    Well that’s why I said “afaik”.

    How much off? Do we know? Or are we assuming a catastrophe and that they are abandoning 189 for sure?

  76. Ys Guy February 21st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    so, let me get this boycott thing straight. basically, you declared that you’re not going to buy any tickets tihs year or buy anything from them. the single game tickets havent gone on sale yet. and you havnt cancelled your YES subscription?

    so now you’ve declared that your boycott worked.

    now THATS impact!

  77. G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    jacksquat,

    Trost said the full season’s didn’t take as much of a hit as the partial seasons (like 41 games and under). The full seasons did take a hit though. He didn’t give exact numbers, but he admitted he was concerned and then talked about offering the season ticket holders perks like letting their kids run the bases and stuff like that.

    Francesa then went on to say that if you want a Legends seat in the front row there were only 2 or 4 available at seasons this year. When he was questioned about the rows behind the front row, he had no info.

    Basically, they were intimating that the top luxury seats are almost all sold out (front row of moat) and that the people who buy them only attend high profile games so they’ll be empty a lot.

    If you wanted lower level Yankee tickets and are willing to spend on them right now, they are more than available. That hadn’t been the case in many years.

  78. Against All Odds February 21st, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/au.....onn-trost/

    For anyone that didn’t hear the Trost interview

  79. jacksquat February 21st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    So the very wealthy/businesses are still buying (might be oblivious), but people with more of a budget who might be paying more attention are balking.

    I guess we’ll see to what degree once we get into the season a bit.

  80. Ys Guy February 21st, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    wfan just reported that girardi said that in the first ST game, gardner would be in center and granderson in LF

  81. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    @JackCurryYES

    Granderson said he wasn’t surprised when Girardi told him to take some balls in LF. Granderson added, “I’d love to play center.”

  82. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Lou Lamoriello discussing Marty Brodeur in a piece for the Times. He mentions some Yankees, I thought you guys might appreciate the quote:

    “He was recalling Brodeur’s surprising step in June, when he hired an agent to negotiate his new contract, raising the unthinkable possibility that he might leave the Devils. Brodeur was worried about the prospect of a lockout, he explained later, and wanted a two-year deal to protect himself. In the end he got what he wanted — two years for $9 million. Lamoriello told me: “I don’t look at age as a number. I have a couple of 19- and 20-year-olds out there who are going on 25 in terms of maturity, and I have 28- and 29-year-olds who are going on 15. You have to consider the mental and physical condition of an athlete, how he takes care of himself. Look at Jeter or Mariano Rivera. It’s the person associated with the age, not the age itself.”

  83. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Grandy wants to play center to work a bigger payday when he hits the market but ultimately he’s not the kinda guy that’s going to become some clubhouse c@ncer because they move him over to LF.

    It’s the right move. Just get it over with now and stick to it. Don’t let the story linger through the season.. that would be more of a distraction than anything Grandy would say or do.

  84. Jerkface February 21st, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Grandy wants to play center to work a bigger payday when he hits the market but ultimately he’s not the kinda guy that’s going to become some clubhouse c@ncer because they move him over to LF.

    It’s the right move. Just get it over with now and stick to it. Don’t let the story linger through the season.. that would be more of a distraction than anything Grandy would say or do.

    yea fo real. Plus, Granderson’s value would tank if he continued to be crappy. Teams would valuing him as a corner outfield if it looked like he was toast in CF. On the other hand, if he puts up a strong defensive year in LF, teams could sign him knowing that they can put him back in CF if they want.

    Dave Dombrowski on MLB XM was saying the move would not really hurt his value.

  85. Nick in SF February 21st, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    I’m just one person, but I haven’t watched a Yankee game in months or bought tickets to the Yankees-A’s games in Oakland yet, so I’m going to say that my participation in the Yankee Fan Boycott™ was instrumental in its apparent success.

    Should I be considered the vanguard in the Yankee Fan Revolution™?

    To put it simply: yes.

    Now that we have won our hard-fought battle, I can go ahead and get my tickets for that June series in Oakland. Sweet, sweet victory!

  86. G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    jacksquat,

    It’s going to be fascinating, because with the Yankees fighting stubhub, the secondary ticket market may be too high and the stadium could see tons of empty seats. Last year I know a lot of people who would buy day of game through stubhub for pennies on the dollar as an impulse purchase. Those purchases could be drying up.

    The one thing the Yankees can’t fight is the appearance of an empty stadium. The media will focus on that. It’s undeniable.

    The team doesn’t want to get into the con game of announcing 36,000 fans paid attendance and have 16,000 in the stadium. Then it becomes a joke like the sellout streak in Boston where there were empty seats that the team’s secondary ticketing arm was buying up to keep the sellout streak alive on paper.

  87. Shame Spencer February 21st, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    @eboland11

    Granderson said he’s open to LF but “I’d love to play center. That’s what I’ve been playing. But at the same time, I want to play.”

  88. G. Love February 21st, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Nick,

    I consider your insistence on living on the west coast as the defacto leader of this boycott. You’re the L. Ron Hubbard-esque Svengali behind all of this.

  89. Nick in SF February 21st, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    I’d like to be more of the Svenjolly behind it all, if you know what I mean.

    For some reason I feel like getting some gelato now and I haven’t even had lunch yet.

  90. blake February 21st, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    If Grandy is a plus defender in LF that hits 35 homers then that’s just as valuable as an average or below average defender in CF that hits 35 homers…..I think whoever signs him is gonna sign him as a corner outfielder going forward anyways

  91. Ys Guy February 21st, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    good work comrade nick!

    and thanks to you i can now go buy my kevin youkilis yankees jersey! (with his name on the back)

    and one of those humongous NY’s for my spare tire cover!

  92. Tackelberry February 21st, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Meanwhile, the NBA trade deadline has now passed and Josh Smith was NOT traded. Knicks did nothing (predictably) and Celtics got Jordan Crawford from the Wizards.

  93. Ys Guy February 21st, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    so it all worked out fine.

    Dr Doom SAID he was gonna boycott

    and someone SAID that hal became george overnight.

    and nobody had to get hurt..

    :)

  94. PacoDooley February 21st, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    MLBTR has a list of the 40 contracts >$100MM. Most of the ones given to younger players have been a success, but I though it would be fun to list how many of those given to players over 30 turned out to be a are success. There are 11 contracts, with the Pujols and Hamilton deals obviously too fresh to be evaluated. Of the remaining 9 I would say that all but the Lee deal were bad contracts (and the Lee deal certainly wasn’t a great deal for the Phillies). I assume that the Pujols deal will end badly. The Hamilton deal may be fine given it is short.

    This list does not paint a positive future for the Yankees and Cano.

    Kevin Brown, 33, signed a seven-year, $105MM deal on 12/12/1998.
    Alex Rodriguez, 32, signed a ten-year, $275MM deal on 12/13/2007.
    Cliff Lee, 32, signed a five-year, $120MM deal on 12/13/2010.
    Albert Pujols, 31, signed a ten-year, $240MM deal on 12/08/2011.
    Jayson Werth, 31, signed a seven-year, $126MM deal on 12/05/2010.
    Josh Hamilton, 31, signed a five-year, $125MM deal on 12/15/2012.
    Alfonso Soriano, 30, signed an eight-year, $136MM deal on 11/20/2006.
    Ryan Howard, 30, signed a five-year, $125MM extension on 4/26/2010.
    Jason Giambi, 30, signed a seven-year, $120MM deal on 12/18/2001.
    Ken Griffey Jr., 30, signed a nine-year, $116.5MM deal on 2/11/2000.
    Carlos Lee, 30, signed a six-year, $100MM deal on 11/24/2006.

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  96. randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    “so, let me get this boycott thing straight. basically, you declared that you’re not going to buy any tickets tihs year or buy anything from them. the single game tickets havent gone on sale yet. and you haven’t cancelled your YES subscription?”

    ysguy-

    i’m out of market so i haven’t given the yankees anything in years. but i’m glad that the defacto BOYCOTT is picking up steam with all kinds of yankee fans cutting back on their own.

    even a yankee management apologist like you using the word” boycott ” helps so keep it up. this chess game is already over. hal is just moving his king around the board. he can do this for 2013 and 2014 and then the crap hits the fan when cano leaves. game over.

  97. randy l. February 21st, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    ok so how long will it take the word “BOYCOTT” to spread to other yankee blogs?

    the yankees could nip it right here, but we’re going to need some free tickets and sh%T to make that happen :)

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