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Saturday morning notes: Goody shut down with sprained ankle

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 23, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m going to try to make this quick so I can get on the road to Orlando.

• Reliever Nick Goody arrived on crutches today. In passing through the clubhouse, he said something about a car wreck. Obviously I don’t have many details, but he’s going to be shutdown for a while. He was the Yankees sixth-round pick last year, but he could move fairly quickly.

• Joe Girardi said it will probably be the end of next week that big league veteran starters get into games. Even then, some of them might throw simulated games rather than real games for their first “starts.”

• Dan Johnson will get some game action at third base today. And those of you who closely follow the Yankees minor league system will love today’s second string outfielders.

• It was fun talking to Rob Segedin about facing Mariano Rivera yesterday. Segedin actually came away amazed by Rivera’s two-seamer, which people don’t hear about very often but which Segedin said was nasty.

• Random clubhouse conversation with Monday’s starting pitcher Vidal Nuno. Just a few years ago he was released by the Indains before getting out of the lowest levels of the minor leagues. Now he’s in big league camp with the Yankees having just pitched very, very well in Double-A and in winter ball. He credits his cutter and changeup, which he said have helped his fastball become more effective.

• Today’s second string: C Austin Romine, 1B Luke Murton, 2B Jose Pirela, SS Gil Velazquez, 3B Dan Johnson, LF Ramon Flores, CF Slade Heathcott, RF Tyler Austin, DH J.R. Murphy.

• Today’s pitchers (order listed on the sheet often, but not always, indicates the order in which they’ll enter a game): Brett Marshall, Nik Turley, Mike O’Brien, Kelvin Perez, Branden Pinder, Chase Whitley, Ryan Pope, Preston Claiborne, Josh Spence, Juan Cedeno, Francisco Rondon.

AT THE YANKEES COMPLEX IN TAMPA

Sides: Vidal Nunez (to Gary Sanchez), Boone Logan (Bobby Wilson) and Matt Tracy (Chris Stewart)

Simulated games: Joba Chamberlain (Stewart), Zach Nuding (Sanchez), Jose Ramirez (Wilson)

• Cito Culver and Addison Maruszak will hit in the sim games. Those two will also take batting practice with the three catchers who are staying behind.

Batting practice hitting groups:

Group 1
Travis Hafner, Derek Jeter, Ichiro Suzuki, Kevin Youkilis

Group 2
Brett Gardner, Curtis Granderson, Jayson Nix, Kyle Roller

Group 3
Greg Bird, Ronnier Mustelier, Thomas Neal, Rob Segedin

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129 Responses to “Saturday morning notes: Goody shut down with sprained ankle”

  1. Doreen February 23rd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    from last thread -

    Randy

    I don’t see as they have any choice about playing a bit differently. Could be very exciting.

    They still have enough power so that if the scruffy players get on base, the HRs could really count for a lot.

  2. randy l. February 23rd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    doreen-

    i do like the ichiro/ jeter collaboration. if we get good ichiro that could be interesting.

    cervelli used to have a knack for some big hits at the right time. nunez could surprise.

    the pitchers will have to be as good as they project though.

    this year is all about over achieving though. some people will have to step up for the yankees to be the team we’re used to seeing.

  3. bardos February 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 am

    As all the teams generally play their minor leaguers in the first couple of games, it seems to m that it’ll be like a minor league game, when what the front offices and fans want to see is how the minor leaguers stack up against other major leaguers. Kind of a conundrum.

  4. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    “I’m all in favor of development – like I said, I would like to see Romine given the chance to be the regular catcher. What I’m not in favor of is trying to force the issue.”

    Chip

    Do you realize how many games Nunez has started at 2b and 3B in his minor league career?

    He played in 36 games” total” at 3b and 2b. Or had 130 chances total at both those positions for his minor league or “development time” career.

    23 yrs old with basically no experience at 2 (b) of the 3 (b) different positions he was asked to cover. How the hell did the Yankees expect him to thrive in a super utility role, and maintain his bat and aggressiveness on the base paths. IMO the mental aspect of it got to him.

    The pressure to perform was tremendous and I do not blame him for committing errors. I do blame the Yankees for not showing patience for a kid who did not have the development time needed to perform as a super sub.

    Anyway he’s a year older he’s been through the fire hopefully he can just leave the mental mistakes behind him and just play the field like he’s capable of doing.

  5. Doreen February 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Absolutely.

    Even in years where everything looks strong from the start, some breaks have to go your way. So, this year, maybe they need a few more good breaks.

    It will also be interesting with regard to the other teams in the division.

    I don’t make predictions. As long as the Yankees are strong in the mix and the season is exciting and holds promise, I will enjoy it no matter the outcome.

    It would be a nice twist if the old men prevail. ;)

  6. yankee21 February 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 am

    I believe Nunez has been mis-handled in terms of development and planning by the Yankees.

    I also believe Nunez has not brought it when the chips have been down and he really needs to take charge of his own career, which might mean taking 2000 grounds ball at SS and 3B during ST or whatever it takes for him to solidify his mechanics, build some confidence and be at least adequate defensively.

    These two points do not have to be mutually exclusive.

    I also believe Nunez’ bat and legs are important to the Yankees this year, so some how, some way, Girardi and Cashface need to find a way to give him consistent reps.

  7. RadioKev February 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 am

    That’s a hell of a bench. Wish we could watch.

    Interested to hear about Goody…

  8. yankee21 February 23rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Too bad about Goody. He along with Monty and Kahnle(sp?) are three guys that can move quickly.

  9. tomingeorgia February 23rd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Kev,
    If you have MLB.TV, you can at least listen. The game will be broadcast on WCNN 680 out of Atlanta and picked up by MLB audio.

  10. yankee21 February 23rd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    One of the rare points I agree with Cashface on, I don’t think Nunez’ bat plays well enough for him to be an OF.

    If he is gonna make his mark in the ML as anything beyond an interchangeable spare part he will need to do it as an IF.

  11. RadioKev February 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    The pressure to perform was tremendous and I do not blame him for committing errors. I do blame the Yankees for not showing patience for a kid who did not have the development time needed to perform as a super sub.
    ————-

    Well, you can’t field a player who gives up as many errors as Nunez has in his small sample. 18 Errors in 77 games played seems like a lot to me. They’re trying to win ball games. Errors hurt.

    So what do they do with Nunez, exactly? They can’t give him regular at bats at any specific position. Do they just hold him in AAA? Trade him?

    I think some of this is definitely on Nunez, and I don’t see an easy plan to make use of his ability right now. The FO guys are paid to do this, so maybe they should have their act together, but it’s not simple.

  12. RadioKev February 23rd, 2013 at 10:21 am

    tomingeorgia February 23rd, 2013 at 10:16 am
    Kev,
    If you have MLB.TV, you can at least listen. The game will be broadcast on WCNN 680 out of Atlanta and picked up by MLB audio.
    ———-

    Thanks for the tip. I personally wouldn’t listen to an away game in spring training. The announcers will have no clue what’s going on with our prospects.

  13. RadioKev February 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    yankee21, I agree with you there on Nunez. Yeah.

  14. tomingeorgia February 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Kev,
    Or their own team, either!

  15. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Mlbnetwork doing this top 100 players right now and Harold loves some Derek Jeter….said he should be top 25 even off the ankle injury

  16. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 am

    “I believe Nunez has been mis-handled in terms of development and planning by the Yankees.”

    Eh I think it’s just circumstances….they have the greatest SS since Honus Wagner and nowhere for him to play so they tried to make him a super utility guy….which was a great idea but he struggled defensively ….I guess they could have stuck with that longer…..but they also had to win games and also they need somebody to play SS after Jeter or in case he gets hurt…..

  17. Jerkface February 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 am

    LF Ramon Flores, CF Slade Heathcott, RF Tyler Austin

    hell. yes. Knew going to the first game was gonna pay off :x

  18. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 am

    “I think some of this is definitely on Nunez”

    To this point I put none of it on him. If You play young players, and don’t give them the proper development time, you have to expect growing pains. Especially if you Jobarize them.

    He’s a SS, no he’s a super sub, no he’s a SS.

    Now from here on– he has to buckle down and play like he’s capable of. All of course just IMO.

  19. Jerkface February 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Also good to see Jose Pirela getting some love from Joe Girardi in the first game :twisted:

  20. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Tar -

    If the Yankees want Nunez to be a utility infielder then he needs to learn how to play 2b and 3b – I for one would like him to also play in the OF – but that training shouldn’t come at Yankee Stadium. It should take place in Trenton or Scranton where the wins and losses are secondary to player development.

    If the Yankees want Nunez to be a shortstop only; then he doesn’t bring enough versatility to the bench to warrant a spot on the 25 man roster and should be in Scranton playing every day and preparing himself in the event Derek gets hurt.

    The general theme that I’m hearing from the pro-Nunez group is that he needs more regular playing time; he’s not going to get that at the Major League level.

  21. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    “Eh I think it’s just circumstances….they have the greatest SS since Honus Wagner and nowhere for him to play so they tried to make him a super utility guy”

    Well why then didn’t the Yankees think ahead and give him the the reps he needed at those other positions?

  22. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 10:35 am

    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 am

    “I believe Nunez has been mis-handled in terms of development and planning by the Yankees.”

    Eh I think it’s just circumstances….they have the greatest SS since Honus Wagner and nowhere for him to play so they tried to make him a super utility guy….which was a great idea but he struggled defensively ….I guess they could have stuck with that longer…..but they also had to win games and also they need somebody to play SS after Jeter or in case he gets hurt…..
    —————–

    This is 100% correct. The Yankees had a utility infielder who was perfectly suited to be a utility infielder in Ramiro Pena but the kid couldn’t hit enough at this level to play that role. So they tried Nunez, who does have some life in his bat but he can’t field. They aren’t going to bench Derek, Cano or Youk just to give Nunez regular playing time so that he can learn the positions.

    What you do is have a guy like Nix up here, let Nunez learn how to be a utility infielder by playing that role in Scranton and then hope he’s good enough at it to replace Nix.

    He’s going to be 28 and nearing arbitration tenure when Derek retires and he’s got a shot at being the regular short stop

  23. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    “Eh I think it’s just circumstances….they have the greatest SS since Honus Wagner and nowhere for him to play so they tried to make him a super utility guy”

    Well why then didn’t the Yankees think ahead and give him the the reps he needed at those other positions?
    ————–

    Because you can’t bench Derek, Cano and Alex in the middle of a season just to give Eduardo Nunez time to develop.

  24. yankee21 February 23rd, 2013 at 10:36 am

    “I believe Nunez has been mis-handled in terms of development and planning by the Yankees.”

    Eh I think it’s just circumstances…

    blake, seems like the Yankees are always victims of circumstances. They have proven horrid at developing players, particularly infielders who can both hit and field. Adams seems like he is one of the few who can, but he is always hurt.

    Looking back over the last few years drafts points to problems even at the root. Several years back they drafted Carmen Angelini, who was supposed to be the future heir apparent at SS, he bombed out after making a thousand errors in low A ball and couldn’t hit. Similarly, they drafted Garrison Lassiter as a SS and hyped him as the next star infielder. It seems within a week they put him at 3B and basically he is out of baseball now. A couple years back they draft Culver and we all know his progress to this point. In the last five years or so they have had 1 guy who has shown the ability to hit and field as a SS, Nunez, and he comes up and they d*** around with him and make him a super utility guy, and then back as a SS. What is the Yankees plan, do they have one?

    Also, someday Jeter will grow old and retire, what is the Yankees plan for replacing him? Or will circumstances catch up to them again and they will once again have to scramble?

  25. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    “The general theme that I’m hearing from the pro-Nunez group is that he needs more regular playing time; he’s not going to get that at the Major League level.”

    Chip

    The way things are going with the budget, the more the team is going to have to rely on rookies. There will be growing pains and they ( as well as us fans) are going to have to show patience.

    Nunez did not get that patience considering the amount of development time he had for the role he was asked to play.

  26. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “Well why then didn’t the Yankees think ahead and give him the the reps he needed at those other positions?”

    Cause he was more valuable as a SS in the minors….you don’t really develop guys with potential to be utility guys….you make them that when you either have to or if you have need for it

  27. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:39 am

    JF,

    If you’re at the game then we expect detailed evaluations with your eyes….. :)

  28. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “blake, seems like the Yankees are always victims of circumstances”

    Kinda happens when you are always in a position to win and most of your big league roster spots are taken up…..most teams don’t have this good problem

  29. RadioKev February 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Losing teams can afford the patience to let their kids make the amount of errors Nunez has. The Yankees are not a “rebuilding team,” as some fans would like them to be. They’re still a “compete now” team.

    When they go to the farm they’re looking for kids to help them win now. Gardner and Robertson did. It’s a difficult position to be in as a rookie, and for the Yankees to some extent, but those are the demands of “win now.”

  30. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 am

    “They have proven horrid at developing players, particularly infielders who can both hit and field. ”

    Well they did develop a guy named Cano ;)

  31. Jerkface February 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 am

    What should have happened with Nunez in spring 2011: Nunez goes down to AAA, told to work on defense at 3B & SS. Plays until Jeter gets injured, comes up and fills in.

    Ramiro Pena is the utility guy until that point.

  32. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “Well why then didn’t the Yankees think ahead and give him the the reps he needed at those other positions?
    ————–

    Because you can’t bench Derek, Cano and Alex in the middle of a season just to give Eduardo Nunez time to develop.”

    —————————-
    I was talking about in the minors. There was no thinking ahead, or maybe there just was no plan at all with Nunie. Now it seems they are in the “Joba” phase.

  33. RadioKev February 23rd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Plays until Jeter gets injured, comes up and fills in.
    ——-

    That’s optimistic of you ;)

  34. yankee21 February 23rd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “They have proven horrid at developing players, particularly infielders who can both hit and field. ”

    Well they did develop a guy named Cano.

    Yeah Cano the same guy they wanted to trade for an old Randy Johnson, they had no idea what they had. And is one guy in 8 years a good score for the richest team in American professional sports?

  35. RadioKev February 23rd, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Has Joba ever expressed concern about being jerked around? Honestly, just curious. We fans contribute at least part of his underperformance to this, but isn’t this just a judgement on the changes affecting Joba mentally?

    You can say it’s a misuse of resources, but he’s also been uneven in the bullpen. He hasn’t been flat out dominant. What’s to say he would be as a starter?

    For example, we see a guy like David Phelps embracing whatever role he can get on the team. I really think that’s how most of these guys are.

  36. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    They still developed him whether they almost traded him or not….developed Austin Jackson too.

    I think the Yanks do fine with position players for where they draft….and they obviously do a nice job targeting relievers…..where they really have to get better is developing starters and getting them to the big leagues….. That’s easier said than done though and I’m hopeful Patterson will help

  37. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    “Cause he was more valuable as a SS in the minors….you don’t really develop guys with potential to be utility guys….you make them that when you either have to or if you have need for it”

    You are contradicting yourself here. On one hand you have a HOF SS blocking him, but on the other hand they shouldn’t give him reps at other positions because he’s more valuable at SS.

    You also don’t just develop players because of “trade value”. What happened to developing players for what the teams needs?

  38. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Chad has gotta be Dan Johnson’s agent. I have Never seen a ham-n-egger get this kind of daily coverage.

  39. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    “The general theme that I’m hearing from the pro-Nunez group is that he needs more regular playing time; he’s not going to get that at the Major League level.”

    Chip

    The way things are going with the budget, the more the team is going to have to rely on rookies. There will be growing pains and they ( as well as us fans) are going to have to show patience.
    ——————–

    That’s a faulty argument in this case Eduardo Nunez will make $500k; Jayson Nix would make $900k if he’s in the majors. That’s not going to make or break the budget.

    I’m all for relying on younger players – I want Romine to be the starting catcher over Stewart and Cervelli – I would be fine with the Yankees walking away from a long term deal with Cano and Granderson and trying to roll with Corban Joseph and one of the prospect OF’s – but those are roles that those kids have been working on learning in the minor leagues. I wouldn’t bring Slade Heathcott to Yankee stadium, hand him a mask and shin guards and tell him to get behind the plate.

    Players need to be trained for the roles that they are going to be asked to play. That training shouldn’t take place at Yankee Stadium.

  40. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “You are contradicting yourself here. On one hand you have a HOF SS blocking him, but on the other hand they shouldn’t give him reps at other positions because he’s more valuable at SS.”

    Nope….did the Rangers play Profar elsewhere because they had Andrus? You develop players where they are most valuable until they get close to the bigs and then you adjust if you have to….that’s what they did with Nunez pretty much. I guess you could argue they could have given him more reps elsewhere in 2011….but point is that you don’t move a guy off SS that can play there when you’re developing because they are a lot more valuable there than anywhere else save maybe catcher

  41. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “Well why then didn’t the Yankees think ahead and give him the the reps he needed at those other positions?
    ————–

    Because you can’t bench Derek, Cano and Alex in the middle of a season just to give Eduardo Nunez time to develop.”

    —————————-
    I was talking about in the minors. There was no thinking ahead, or maybe there just was no plan at all with Nunie. Now it seems they are in the “Joba” phase.
    ————–

    His role is being changed to fit the needs of the organization – that’s what you do with young players.

  42. yankee21 February 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Radio Kev; you make a good point with Joba, has he ever insisted on being a starter behind the scenes, I know publicly he has not.

    Interesting contrast to CJ Wilson, who was a decent reliever but insisted on becoming a starter, TEX gave him a good shot, he worked on it and has built a nice career as a SP.

    How bad does Joba want it? Got to look at the $$ Hughes will get as a SP as a FA vs. what Joba will score as a reliever as a FA. I wonder if it irks him enough.

  43. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “Players need to be trained for the roles that they are going to be asked to play. That training shouldn’t take place at Yankee Stadium.”

    We agree, and that in a nutshell is my whole point on Nunez.

  44. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Any rookie in The Show is still training. There is a Big gap between AAA or AA and The Bigs.

  45. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “You are contradicting yourself here. On one hand you have a HOF SS blocking him, but on the other hand they shouldn’t give him reps at other positions because he’s more valuable at SS.”

    Nope….did the Rangers play Profar elsewhere because they had Andrus? You develop players where they are most valuable until they get close to the bigs and then you adjust if you have to….that’s what they did with Nunez pretty much. I guess you could argue they could have given him more reps elsewhere in 2011….but point is that you don’t move a guy off SS that can play there when you’re developing because they are a lot more valuable there than anywhere else save maybe catcher
    —————-

    Correct.

  46. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “Players need to be trained for the roles that they are going to be asked to play. That training shouldn’t take place at Yankee Stadium.”

    We agree, and that in a nutshell is my whole point on Nunez.
    —————

    Right – and my point at the beginning of all of this was that Eduardo Nunez isn’t a good utility infielder, Ryan Theriot is and is available, the Yankees should try to sign him and let Nunez either work on becoming a utility infielder in Scranton or be the short stop in Scranton but that in either case he doesn’t warrant a spot on the 25.

  47. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:59 am

    So if you develop Nunez as a utility player from the git go…..1) you’ve greatly diminished his value both via trade and with the team in he future…2) what happens if Jeter gets hurt?

    Remember when Jete missed time in 2011 with the calf and Nunez stepped in and played well? If he was developed as a utility guy then Perhaps he’s not the guy you go to there…..

    I get the point about positioning guys for their role in NY….however I think that’s something you do when they are closer and you have a need…..you develop players where they’ll have the most value and then adjust from there based on need IMO

  48. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 11:00 am

    DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Any rookie in The Show is still training. There is a Big gap between AAA or AA and The Bigs.
    —————-

    There is a difference between learning how to hit major league pitching which, by necessity, has to happen in the majors; and learning how to play different positions which can and should happen at the minor league level.

  49. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Nunez shoulda been on the 25 Man the Entire season last year. This training stuff in his case is bunk. You saw him vs Verlander. CASE CLOSED.

  50. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 11:02 am

    “Nope….did the Rangers play Profar elsewhere because they had Andrus? You develop players where they are most valuable until they get close to the bigs and then you adjust if you have to”

    I don’t know about Profar or Andrus or anything to do with Texas really.

    But I do know about Alex and Jeter and Cano.

    The only way Nunez and his bat and speed was going to break into this line-up was to be a super sub. The Yankees failed in giving him adequate reps to do that.

    Then they compounded the problem, by thrusting him in the role, were shocked when he failed, and then demoted him. Just recently the GM said he was a super sub and his mgr said he was a SS.

    Do you think the way the Yankees have handled Nunez was smart?

  51. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Blake,

    I agree in general with what you’re saying and that’s part of why the Yankees never moved Montero out from behind the plate. But at this stage in Nunez’s development it is time for him to work as a utility guy. If they don’t use him in that role (or trade him), then you’re essentially killing 2 more years off his service clock.

    Derek’s around for another two seasons at least – so in that time the Yankees can develop or acquire another SS prospect.

  52. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    ALL teams have rookies coming to The Show that do Not even know how to run the bases. The coaching in the Bushes is Bush. In short, Nunez is and has been ready for awhile.

  53. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 11:05 am

    DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Nunez shoulda been on the 25 Man the Entire season last year. This training stuff in his case is bunk. You saw him vs Verlander. CASE CLOSED.
    —————–

    Yes by all means let us base arguments on 6 at bats.

  54. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “1) you’ve greatly diminished his value both via trade and with the team in he future…2) what happens if Jeter gets hurt?”

    So you develop players with Trade value as your first priority and injury fill in as your second priority?

    What happened to team needs?

  55. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “Do you think the way the Yankees have handled Nunez was smart?”

    I think they handled him appropriately and it didnt work out because he struggled defensively……I do think they could have given him more time at other positions in AAA though after they made the decision to go that route……it’s a tough spot when a guy is ready feor the bigs and you don’t have a role for him that he’s comfortable with…..the options are to try and make it work or trade him

  56. Chip February 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Do you think the way the Yankees have handled Nunez was smart?
    ———————

    I do.

    They brought him up in 2011 hoping that his athletic ability would translate into good defensive play at 2b and 3b. It didn’t and last year his fielding started to impact his all around game at the ML level so they sent him back down, told him to concentrate on SS. He then got hurt and proceeded to miss most of the year, but that’s not something they could foresee. Now, circumstances dictate that they work him out as a utility infielder and see if that’s a role he can actually grow into. But they can’t do that and carry him on the 25 man roster.

  57. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    If Nunez had gone 0-6, the nay sayers would be all over that. Nunez wasn’t even on the Playoff roster, and was hurled into the fire due to the Jeet injury. Nunez stepped up, and produced. Cano on the other hand, immediately turned into a pumpkin. And Cano is supposed to be the next “face of the franchise”? NOPE

  58. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    “So you develop players with Trade value as your first priority and injury fill in as your second priority?”

    No you develop players where they’ll have the most value in general….a player will have more value to the team and via trade as a SS.

    The orioles left Machado at SS his entire time in the minors even though they had Hardy at SS in the big leagues…..they put him at 3B to fill a need though and it worked for them because Machado is very gifted….,he will be going back to SS soon though

  59. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:12 am

    “I agree in general with what you’re saying and that’s part of why the Yankees never moved Montero out from behind the plate. But at this stage in Nunez’s development it is time for him to work as a utility guy. If they don’t use him in that role (or trade him), then you’re essentially killing 2 more years off his service clock.”

    I agree now….honestly I think now Id just play him all over and hope he figured the defense out…..they need him in the lineup vs LHP in particular.

    Hopefully Elvis Andrus is the SS of the future

  60. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Machado had Under 200 AB’s. Let’s Not annoint this guy yet.

  61. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 11:14 am

    I get the point about positioning guys for their role in NY….however I think that’s something you do when they are closer and you have a need…..you develop players where they’ll have the most value and then adjust from there based on need IMO

    I think need comes first, trade value second.

    And what does all this say about Cash not adding in Nunez with the almost trade with Seattle. If you are going to develop him to trade, why hold back then? His value was probably highest at that moment. They have totally de-valued him, with how he has been handled since.

  62. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:15 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    February 23, 2013 at 11:14 am
    Machado had Under 200 AB’s. Let’s Not annoint this guy yet.

    I wish we had him….he’s a stud

  63. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Once the Yanks 86′d Nunez to the Bushes, they trashed his trade value. DUMB

  64. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    “And what does all this say about Cash not adding in Nunez with the almost trade with Seattle. If you are going to develop him to trade, why hold back then? His value was probably highest at that moment. They have totally de-valued him, with how he has been handled since.”

    He i think he still has value but the biggest thing that’s hurt his value is his not being able to play defense…if he were a good defender then hed either be a regular for the Yanks or he’d be in Arizona right now

  65. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Good morning-

    Looked up Nunez’ 2012 playing time. On May 12th he was sent back to the SWB, the Yankees nomadic AAA team.

    “In 20 games this season, Nunez had bounced from third base (eight games), shortstop (five), second base (one), left field (four) and right field (one). He was also the designated hitter in one game.”

    He injured his thumb the 3rd week in May and played a total of 38 games at AAA. I’m assuming those starts were at SS, even though the SWB Rail Riders had him listed as a 3B.

    The point is, he essentially had 5 games at SS before being sent down and maybe 38 games at SS with the AAA club, dealing with an injury.

  66. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    At some point it’s not the Yankees fault that Nunez can’t catch and throw the ball…..ultimately it’s on the player….Machado never played 3B in his life and went over there and played it at a gold glove level…..the reason is because he’s better not because he was handled differently

  67. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    You take a look at Machado’s fielding %. Sure he’s playing outta position, but that is Exactly what got Nunez banished to Hoboken. Showalter knows what he’s doing. The Yanks do Not.

  68. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    “Gold Glove” at 3B for Machado? HAHAHAHAHAHA

  69. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 11:22 am

    “He i think he still has value but the biggest thing that’s hurt his value is his not being able to play defense…”

    Yes, but don’t you think how we was handled contributed to his lousy defense? The Yankees have a huge role in how he played defense. Especially when he you consider he won an award in AAA for his SS defense.

    He was asked to take on too much, with not enough training to do it. 3 Three different positions, and oh and don’t forget your bat and speed. There should have been no surprise and more patience when he failed.

  70. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    February 23, 2013 at 11:20 am
    “Gold Glove” at 3B for Machado? HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Have you ever watched him play?

  71. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:26 am

    I like Machado, you Love ‘em. That’s OK. If the Yanks had shown the same patience with Nunez, that Showalter has displayed with Machado, the roles could be reversed.

  72. Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 11:26 am

    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 am
    They still developed him whether they almost traded him or not….developed Austin Jackson too.

    —————————————————–

    You can’t give them credit for Austin Jackson.

  73. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “Yes, but don’t you think how we was handled contributed to his lousy defense?”

    Maybe some….mostly I think it’s on him though and the fact that he just doesn’t seem to have a natural footwork for playing infield…

    There is no definative answer for these things….it’s a combination of factors …..

    What I hope is that he can defend well enough to play a lot this year….cause they could use his bat and legs

  74. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “Machado never played 3B in his life and went over there and played it at a gold glove level…”

    Was Machado asked to play SS and 2B as well as 3B? Not even close to being the same thing.

  75. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “You can’t give them credit for Austin Jackson.”

    Why not….he spend zero time in Detroits farm system

  76. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    “Was Machado asked to play SS and 2B as well as 3B? Not even close to being the same thing.”

    He could….totally different level of player defensively…..

  77. Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    yankee21 February 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am
    Radio Kev; you make a good point with Joba, has he ever insisted on being a starter behind the scenes, I know publicly he has not.

    ===============

    Maybe he never wanted to make it an issue once he realized they weren’t going to give him a chance to start again. This is NY the minute he says I want to start the headline would be “Joba Demands Starting Role”

  78. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    The Yanks need more Machados! Then they couldn’t screw them up.

    My point is that a great deal of Nunez’s issues could simply be that’s he’s not a great defender…..and not because the Yankees “screwed him up”

  79. Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2013 at 11:32 am

    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    At some point it’s not the Yankees fault that Nunez can’t catch and throw the ball…..ultimately it’s on the player….Machado never played 3B in his life and went over there and played it at a gold glove level…..the reason is because he’s better not because he was handled differently

    ————-

    Too true.. Nunez just isn’t good on the defensive side of the ball. Different players, different skill sets. A guy like Arod could play all over the INF, some guys are just more capable. It’s not a career killing situation but ultimately I don’t think it’s on the Yankees.

    And this is coming from someone that didn’t love how he was handled last year.

    ————–

    “You can’t give them credit for Austin Jackson.”

    ..why not?

  80. Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 11:33 am

    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am
    “You can’t give them credit for Austin Jackson.”

    Why not….he spend zero time in Detroits farm system

    ———————–

    They don’t get the credit for developing him. The same thing with Kennedy I don’t view him as a guy the Yankees developed

  81. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2013 at 11:34 am

    The Yankees now have 3 back-up catchers and a AAA catcher and a backup SS with defensive concerns.

    Russell Martin is playing SS for Team Canada, a position he never played. He initially started out as a 3B.

    Where’s Russell? :(

  82. Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Machado looks like he’s going to be a really, really good player. He’s a sick defender.

    It’s going to be a real interesting year for the O’s.. having Machado for a full year is like making a major trade.

  83. Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2013 at 11:32 am
    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    At some point it’s not the Yankees fault that Nunez can’t catch and throw the ball…..ultimately it’s on the player….Machado never played 3B in his life and went over there and played it at a gold glove level…..the reason is because he’s better not because he was handled differently

    ————-

    Too true.. Nunez just isn’t good on the defensive side of the ball. Different players, different skill sets. A guy like Arod could play all over the INF, some guys are just more capable. It’s not a career killing situation but ultimately I don’t think it’s on the Yankees.

    And this is coming from someone that didn’t love how he was handled last year.

    ————–

    “You can’t give them credit for Austin Jackson.”

    ..why not?

    ————

    I just don’t view it that way.

  84. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Who developed Jackson if the Yankees didnt? He never played an inning in Detroits farm system and hit .293 as a rookie

  85. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:37 am

    You forget including LF in the itinerary of Nunez.

  86. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 11:39 am

    “My point is that a great deal of Nunez’s issues could simply be that’s he’s not a great defender…..and not because the Yankees “screwed him up””

    Or he could be a good enough defender that the Yankees did screw up.

    A couple of years ago I think it was LGY and JF argued that Nunez should be sent down to start the year to get playing time at other positions. I argued against that, saying that with an older infield Nunez would get plenty of paying time. At least early on, playing time never materialized. I was wrong they were right, he should have been sent down.

  87. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “It’s going to be a real interesting year for the O’s.. having Machado for a full year is like making a major trade.”

    I think Baltimore will take a step back as a team but that Machado is going to break out and rake…..he’s going to be really really good

  88. Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    I don’t see why not.. Ajax was never in the Detroit system, he was always considered by the Yankees to be a strong defensive starting CF that had a high strike out rate. He’s improved the SOs after his first two seasons, but that (hopefully) comes with big league experience. I’m not saying he hasn’t gotten help from the DET coaching staff but you sort of expect that.

  89. Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2013 at 11:41 am

    I don’t get the thinking on Kennedy either.. we brought him to the majors. Yeah, no one liked Eiland but ultimately Kennedy came through our system and debuted with our club. How did AZ develop him when they traded for an MLB pitcher?

  90. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:42 am

    “A couple of years ago I think it was LGY and JF argued that Nunez should be sent down to start the year to get playing time at other positions”

    Like in 2011 maybe….he was in AAA by then….maybe we are talking about different things. LgY and JF (and me too) didnt want him sitting on the bench wasting service time and rotting that year mainly …..

  91. Ys Guy February 23rd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    donny, dont know if you saw my fbb bargains post yesterday.

    add ryan howard to your list (roberts and utley)

    howard had 15 hr 54 rbi in under 300 AB after he came back

    current adp is #157

  92. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    The O’s will fall back due to Showalter. His style wears thins, just as Billy Martin’s did.

  93. Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    How did AZ develop him when they traded for an MLB pitcher?

    ——————————————-

    Kennedy credits the D’backs for him becoming the pitcher he is today.

  94. Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “It’s going to be a real interesting year for the O’s.. having Machado for a full year is like making a major trade.”

    I think Baltimore will take a step back as a team but that Machado is going to break out and rake…..he’s going to be really really good

    ——————

    If I had to bet on it I’d say they’ll take a step back this year as well… but I’m not sleeping on the O’s. If Markakis stays healthy and some of the rookies that came up last year don’t fall into some sophomore slump I think the O’s could surprise a lot of people. Buck seems like he’s got those guys buying in… it can really make a difference. Look at what Maddon has built in Tampa.

  95. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    I think the Yanks develop position players ok when they get a guy that’s talented enough….I guess this next wave will prove that theory or disprove it

  96. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    The Orioles lineup will be good….. I just don’t buy that pitching staff repeating last year….my guess is some guys turn into pumpkins

  97. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    One last thing about Nunez than I have to run.

    One reason why how the whole thing unfolded last year bothers me so much is because I think starting Nix over Nunez in the post season last year “may” have cost the Yankees a win. They obviously needed offense. Sorry but I think it was a gutless decision and I’m still a little pissed off about it.

  98. tomingeorgia February 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Nats vs Mets, 12:05 on SNY and MLB-TV, Strasburg vs Marcum.

  99. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    FYI, Arsenal Football Club has a player named Nacho Monreal.

  100. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    @eboland11: Eduardo Nunez and Robinson Cano warming up on field as Yankees take BP http://t.co/9HlqeAINB1

    Nunez looks thicker

  101. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    - Ys -
    Missed your “bargain list”. I like Howard, but his value depends on the scoring categories of the league. 5×5 A-OK. You get into leagues that are 10X10 etc, and Howard ain’t the same in those leagues. I will be watching Roberts closely. Hopefully, we do Not see a Bay\Morneau slowed reaction time due to the concussion.

  102. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    @BobKlap: Derek Jeter just finished on-field running and agility drills with teammates for the first time since surgery #Yankees

  103. Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:36 am
    Who developed Jackson if the Yankees didnt? He never played an inning in Detroits farm system and hit .293 as a rookie

    ———————————-

    He came from their system but I don’t credit them for who he is. They can clam everyone else Hughes, Drob, Nunez, etc.

  104. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Tar,

    I think that decision was soley because they were afraid of Nunies defense

  105. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    “He came from their system but I don’t credit them for who he is. They can clam everyone else Hughes, Drob, Nunez, etc.”

    I mean he improved in the big leagues but a lot of guys do that….but if we are talking about minor league development the only team he played for there was the Yankees

  106. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Shame-

    Ian Kennedy had surgery on his right shoulder, an aneurysm on May 9th, 2009 and was in the 3 way trade December 15th of the same year. He really never got the chance to see what he might do after dealing with numbness in the fingers of his pitching hand as a starter for the NYY.

  107. randy l. February 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    what good is it to develop a guy in the minors and have another team reap the benefits.

    cashman clearly screwed up with austin jackson because the yankees should have know granderson was not going to be signed long term. so what was the point of the granderson trade ?

  108. Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    How did AZ develop him when they traded for an MLB pitcher?

    ——————————————-

    Kennedy credits the D’backs for him becoming the pitcher he is today.

    ———————–

    That’s not really the same thing.. I mean, on a practical level: He plays for them, of course he’ll say that. In terms of development, I didn’t love all the staff members he was working with or how he was handled on a strategic level by the FO but he came up in the bigs with our club and wasn’t nearly as awful as his numbers show. He had a lot going for him already. He ran into some bad luck with that blood clot situation and lost time where he may have been in the big league mix. Remember Phil ended up in AAA in 2009 mostly.. Ian probably would have been competing for the 5th starter spot had he not gotten that clot. They used 4-5 pitchers to make up 30+ starts that year.

  109. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Repost-

    Looked up Nunez’ 2012 playing time. On May 12th he was sent back to the SWB, the Yankees nomadic AAA team.

    “In 20 games this season, Nunez had bounced from third base (eight games), shortstop (five), second base (one), left field (four) and right field (one). He was also the designated hitter in one game.”

    He injured his thumb the 3rd week in May and played a total of 38 games at AAA. I’m assuming those starts were at SS, even though the SWB Rail Riders had him listed as a 3B.

    The point is, he essentially had 5 games at SS before being sent down and maybe 38 games at SS with the AAA club, dealing with an injury.

  110. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    When it comes to Kennedy or Jackson, it’s ALL about patience at the MLB level. The Yankees display very little of this with thier players at this level. Jackson woulda been exiled during his growing pains, and he has had those in Detroit.

  111. Tar February 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    “I think that decision was soley because they were afraid of Nunies defense”

    And we come full circle. :D

    Looking forward to the game today. I sure hope the good Heels team shows up today. Today is a big day for them. Catch you later.

  112. Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    They just have trouble knowing when to sell high.. they need to get better at evaluating their own talent and depth. It’s not a bad thing to develop talent and ‘trade up’ so to speak. But they have to do it well.

    Let’s also keep in mind the story isn’t finished for Jackson or Kennedy. We’ve only seen one year from Jackson where he seems to have figured things out a bit.. let’s see if it continues. Kennedy regressed a bit last season compared to the one before.. let’s see if he can get back to his 2011 performance.

  113. blake February 23rd, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    “Looking forward to the game today. I sure hope the good Heels team shows up today. Today is a big day for them. Catch you later.”

    Me too

  114. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    - TRADER -
    Thanks for that Nunez position info. That “nutshells” the story.

  115. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Todays lineup vs Atlanta:

    Nunez SS
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Rivera DH
    Diaz LF
    Cervelli C
    Mesa CF
    Almonte RF
    Joseph 3B

  116. jacksquat February 23rd, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am
    @eboland11: Eduardo Nunez and Robinson Cano warming up on field as Yankees take BP http://t.co/9HlqeAINB1

    Nunez looks thicker

    Said he slimmed down this year compared to last year. 199 to 193 or something like that.

  117. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    I still believe the story this Spring is Trout showing up heavier than Pujols.

  118. jacksquat February 23rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 11:33 am
    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am
    “You can’t give them credit for Austin Jackson.”

    Why not….he spend zero time in Detroits farm system

    ———————–

    They don’t get the credit for developing him. The same thing with Kennedy I don’t view him as a guy the Yankees developed

    —-

    You have to understand that some people here almost never give the Yankees credit for any player that turns out very good. It just can’t happen. AAO, YF, JAP, Randy… deny deny deny. Then some of them religiously go to minor league games anyway, lol. I guess they are totally on their own down there, or worse, fighting against the system! :D

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 23rd, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    OT – I cried just reading the headline. Major kudos to the parents of Jonathon Montanez. Or as one commenter observed, “Random acts of kindness. Imagine if everyone did it.” I swear I thought the same thing. Imagine.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....-game.html

  120. Chad Jennings February 23rd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2013 at 10:51 am e
    Chad has gotta be Dan Johnson’s agent. I have Never seen a ham-n-egger get this kind of daily coverage.

    Really? You don’t think it’s interesting that Girardi has specifically mentioned the idea of carrying a left-handed hitter on the bench and the Yankees have clearly gone out of their way to give Johnson reps at third base this spring? I make a note of it regularly because he’s a guy we didn’t talk about much this offseason and he suddenly seems to be on the radar. I have no clue whether he can play the position or hit well enough to make the roster, just think it’s worth noting that the Yankees are giving him a look. Seems notable to me.

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 23rd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Video that goes with my OT post above.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18.....-at-glory/

  122. Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am
    “He came from their system but I don’t credit them for who he is. They can clam everyone else Hughes, Drob, Nunez, etc.”

    I mean he improved in the big leagues but a lot of guys do that….but if we are talking about minor league development the only team he played for there was the Yankees

    ———————–

    True he played for the Yankees but I just don’t see it the way other fans do. We’ll just have to agree to disagree

  123. Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    jacksquat February 23rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 11:33 am
    blake February 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am
    “You can’t give them credit for Austin Jackson.”

    Why not….he spend zero time in Detroits farm system

    ———————–

    They don’t get the credit for developing him. The same thing with Kennedy I don’t view him as a guy the Yankees developed

    —-

    You have to understand that some people here almost never give the Yankees credit for any player that turns out very good. It just can’t happen. AAO, YF, JAP, Randy… deny deny deny. Then some of them religiously go to minor league games anyway, lol. I guess they are totally on their own down there, or worse, fighting against the system!

    ————–

    They get credit for guys like Hughes, Drob, Gardner, etc. I’m not going to hand them a gold star for guys that are no longer here. I’m a hard grader.

    I’ve never been to a minor league game.

  124. Against All Odds February 23rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    because the yankees should have know granderson was not going to be signed long term.

    ———————————

    They didn’t know that at the time. When Curtis was traded for most ppl assumed he would be the CF for the next several yrs.

  125. Jerkface February 23rd, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Blake in 2011 I said nunez should go back to aaa to get playing time because he wouldn’t get any for the yankees. Turned out to be true he got like 40 pa through jeters injury. He was on the roster the whole year pretty much and is poorly developed because of it. Had he been working at 3b and ss in aaa he would have had 60 or 70 games by the time jeter got hurt and would have been in a better position going forward. This isn’t hindsight stuff it was obvious at the time. Nunez is athletic but not a natural fielder, he had his best year with full time at ss in 2010. He needs consistent time.

  126. tucker February 23rd, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Nunez should get more reps at short to begin the year. They need to pace Jeter. So, the hope is he shows more consistency this year like he did when Jeter went down in 2011.

    One thing with this team: the margins will be thinner, and the Yanks are going for defense at C and in the OF. I didn’t expect they will stand for an error-prone SS this year. They will likely need every win they can get.

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    Then again he’s ‘declining’!

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