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Cano and Tex go back-to-back

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 24, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner CF
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Curtis Granderson LF
Kevin Youkilis 3B
Travis Hafner DH
Eduardo Nunez SS
Chris Stewart C

RHP Adam Warren

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66 Responses to “Cano and Tex go back-to-back”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    I got pretty psyched just looking at that lineup! And I am so excited to see what our minor league pitchers have!

    YAHOO!!! GO YANKEES!!!

    :)

  2. blake February 24th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Seems like the Yanks are really giving Gardner a chance to shine….lets hope he seizes the day

  3. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    I can’t wait to get this funhouse started!

  4. Northy February 24th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    add Jeter and this is the Opening day lineup

  5. blake February 24th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    @Joelsherman1: Column http://t.co/YFWOY4LQt4 Wild ride of Slade Heathcott from booze/guns to arguably #Yankees most important prospect

  6. Northy February 24th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Maybe Cervelli though,,,

  7. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    A part of me is hoping Rasmus has some indiscretion allowing the great Gose to take over :)

  8. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Heathcott article was interesting. Best to him, hope he has a solid anchor.

  9. blake February 24th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Heathcott is such an exciting prospect…..I hope he gets in there today….he’s like pure energy out there .

  10. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Morning.

    Thanks for the Heathcott article.

    After reading it I am more convinced than ever that Heathcott is at risk for continued injury despite his obvious talent and desire.

    Hope I am wrong.

  11. blake February 24th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    MTU,

    He may….I hope not…but man is he fun to watch play. Perhaps the Yanks can get a few years out of him anyway or perhaps he will learn to dial it down as he matures. His story sounds so similar to Hamilton’s …..

  12. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    MTU, you’re always wrong! :D

  13. austinmac February 24th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    The running and jumping at the fence is a bit concerning, but he may have the most overall ability of any of the prospects. I hope we get to see him some this spring.

  14. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Blake, I was thinking Josh too.

  15. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Blake-

    I’ll pull for the kid. Looks like Lenny Dykstra.

    Hope he’s as tough.

    Mills-

    See what you’ve done. Now you will never get my pair of vintage Bose 901′s in walnut finish.

    :(

  16. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    blake February 24th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Seems like the Yanks are really giving Gardner a chance to shine….lets hope he seizes the day
    ———————-

    Jeter not playing is giving Gardner an opportunity to lead off.

    Again, don’t confuse Gardner with a young player who is still developing – he’s turning 30

  17. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    MTU, I’ll give unto you one of my sacrificed euphorbias. Now,…are we good?, as I sure do want that sound complete avec walnuts.

  18. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    MTU, might I add, if you ever want that Johnny Bench card, you better hand over those speakers.

  19. blake February 24th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    “Again, don’t confuse Gardner with a young player who is still developing – he’s turning 30″

    I’m not and have posted many times about that….however the Yanks could have easily led off Ichiro and hit Gardner 9th even without Jeter…..they moved him to CF…..I just think that after all this time talking Bout how they think he’s an impact guy that they maybe finally are giving him a chance to show it…..if it happens it only increases his value to the team and via trade.

  20. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Mills-

    I have those puppies attached to our big screen up in the Man cave.

    You’re welcome to hear them anytime but they are permanent part of the landscape.

    ;)

  21. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Blake-

    GGBG is another guy who has a hard time staying healthy.

    He definitely needs to find a way to do that again this season.

    I’d love to see him bounceback and show what he is capable of.

    It’s considerable IMO.

  22. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Ok Mr. Blue Way MTU, -I’ll take the turbo thingamigig and make it into your time zone sometime.

  23. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Blake -

    I just think that Gardner is probably one of the most overrated of the Yankees among fans. He’s up there with Joba in that regard.

  24. 86w183 February 24th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Good morning all —

    If Jeter isn’t ready to go that could be the opening day lineup against a RHP.

    Once all are healthy I still kinda like going Gardner, Jeter, Ichiro at the top versus RHP.

  25. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Like the speed offered by GGBG, Nunez, and Suzuki.

    That should drive pitchers and catchers crazy.

    :)

  26. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Incidentally, I would flip Granderson and Hafner and can’t imagine that in a real game Girardi would stack 3 lefties at the top of the lineup, makes it too easy for an opposing manager to play the left/right game in late innings, especially considering the lack of a viable RH bat on the bench.

  27. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    And now it’s time for the breakfast of champions and the most important meal of the day.

    :)

  28. blake February 24th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    “I just think that Gardner is probably one of the most overrated of the Yankees among fans. He’s up there with Joba in that regard.”

    Nah….he’s overrated by some and underrated by a lot. How good he can be all depends on how healthy he stays and if he can get on base .35 % of the time…..if he plays 150 games with a .350 oBP then he will have a big impact

  29. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    86 –

    No, I don’t think it would be for the following reasons:

    1. Like I said above, I don’t think Girardi would stack 3 lefties
    2. I don’t think Stewart will be the opening catcher

    If Derek’s not healthy, I think the lineup would be:

    Ichiro – RF
    Youk – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Tex – 1b
    Hafner – DH
    Granderson – LF
    Nunez – SS
    Romine – C
    Gardner – CF

  30. blake February 24th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    If hit Hafner 5th vs RHP as long as he’s healthy

  31. blake February 24th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Hafner may get hurt today and miss the rest of the year but if they can sprinkle some pixie dust on him and he stays healthy I think that signing will be huge and I could see him really havig a nice season in YS

  32. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    “Again, don’t confuse Gardner with a young player who is still developing – he’s turning 30″

    i love having gardner working and battling his way trough the yankee system , competing, and becoming a starting player. he’s not a star , but he’s a decent player. he’s a yankee actually.

    here’s the problem. he’s a free agent in 2015. now is absolutely the time to extend him BEFORE he has two good years. he can get security and the yankees can get him at a discount.

    in this market, the yankees do not seem to have the desire to sign players at top value, so how does it make sense to not sign players ahead of time when they still have a few years before free agency.

    i make a big deal of a player being a yankee. if the yankees don’t put something in the players they develop that is unique from other teams, i really see no sense in following them. historically they have. it’s meant something to come through the yankee system.gardner has done this.

    what is up ownership playing a last minute brinksmanship game as far as signing players at atime this doesn’t work. they should never have traded for granderson if they weren’t going to sign him long term. they had the bad year to get him cheap. they passed. and now he’s gone, and no part of their future plans. gardner will be gone a year later. along with hughes. and maybe cano.

    it makes no sense.

    and it’s really bad business because ticket sales and enthusiasm are following.
    hal is a colossal dunderhead.

  33. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Blake,

    I think if you’re going to have a guy at the top of your lineup who hits for as little pop as Gardner does he needs to get on base at a higher tick than Gardner does. Think Brett Butler; his career OBP was nearly .380 – 35 points higher than Brett’s.

  34. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Randy,

    The Yankees have a host of outfielders who are vastly superior to Gardner coming through the system. There’s absolutely no reason to extend him now.

  35. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Blake-

    I’m w you. I liked the Hafner signing the minute I heard about it.

    But you’re right. They’ll need some voodoo magic to keep him healthy.

  36. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Blake -

    Maybe they can use whatever magic dust they used on Eric Chavez for Pronk.

    I have said it before, the Yankees have added three veterans to this lineup (counting a full season of Ichiro) who will be rejuvenated playing for a team in the hunt. If they’re healthy, I think we’re going to see vintage performances from Ichiro, Hafner and Youk.

    I just hope that Kevin Long’s “help” with Youk doesn’t include “eh, forget OBP, just swing for the fences”

  37. Triple Short of a Cycle February 24th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Elvis Andrus OBP’s in the .340s and he hits at the top of that potent order

  38. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    The Yankees are carrying considerable age-related risk on the O side of the ball where the depth is the thinnest.

    They will need Lady Luck on their side.

    ;)

  39. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Wow.

    Can’t believe we get to watch a real baseball game today.

    Batter up ! Play ball !

    Haven’t heard that in a while.

    :)

  40. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Maybe Hafner should take up drinking like, Eddie Belfour, stay loose, and everthing will be fine :) Eddie the Eagle is quite the man, looks like Dylan warmed over! – great goalie and humble too, not like Patrick Roy who would never play for Cananda internationally. Big mistake in my books.

  41. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Never, ” played. ” – sorry

  42. Triple Short of a Cycle February 24th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    I think they will be ok for 2013. 2014 is what you have to worry about.

    The 2014 rotation will be

    CC
    Nova
    Phelps
    Warren
    Scrappy Do

  43. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    “You know what he told me?” Long says later, recalling the conversation. “He started telling me about how hard his grandfather still works in his 60s and how people have two or three jobs, and if he can’t play hard all the time, it would just be wrong.”

    —————

    Man, this kid’s story is crazy. Heathcott is definitely the guy I’m most interested in down in the minors.. it doesn’t seem likely he’ll put it together but I’m rooting for him.

  44. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Crap, I spelled Canada wrong as well. ” Mills, take it slower next temps. “

  45. blake February 24th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    “here’s the problem. he’s a free agent in 2015. now is absolutely the time to extend him BEFORE he has two good years. he can get security and the yankees can get him at a discount.”

    I actually wouldn’t extend him….Gardner is probably at the height of his powers right now. His game is just too heavily tied to his legs and at his age that could start to fade in the next couple of years…..IMO the Yanks should use Gardy the next couple of years then let him go….either that or trade him this winter

  46. blake February 24th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    “Maybe they can use whatever magic dust they used on Eric Chavez for Pronk.”

    That’s my hope

  47. blake February 24th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Historically a .350 OBP isn’t anything special…..but these days it’s pretty good and when you consider how many bases Gardner can steal he’s gonna get into scoring position a lot with a .350 OBP…..of course the Yanks will have to situationally hit a lot better than last year or it won’t matter

  48. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Personally, I’m tired of correcting my spelling and grammar on a certain level,…….Otis Redding awaits.

  49. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    blake February 24th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    “here’s the problem. he’s a free agent in 2015. now is absolutely the time to extend him BEFORE he has two good years. he can get security and the yankees can get him at a discount.”

    I actually wouldn’t extend him….Gardner is probably at the height of his powers right now. His game is just too heavily tied to his legs and at his age that could start to fade in the next couple of years…..IMO the Yanks should use Gardy the next couple of years then let him go….either that or trade him this winter

    —————-
    AHgreed.

  50. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    “The Yankees have a host of outfielders who are vastly superior to Gardner coming through the system. There’s absolutely no reason to extend him now”

    think how strong the yankees would be if they had a few of these guys actually make it. if say three young guys do REVERSE the trend and actually be what they are hyped up to be and make the starting line up with the yankees, having gardner there for another contract would make the yankees really strong. if they dont need gardener, they have him as trade bait for a trade for something they do need.he’d have a contract favorable for trading.

    they’d also have excess outfield talent rather than be thin everywhere. and look at austin jackson.the yankees would kill to have him now, but he had to go through a down year in the bigs to get to his really good year. you don’t think the young outfielders like heath sladecott are going to struggle if and when they come up?

    you don’t think having a gardner there who has proved he can play as a yankee has benefits to the yankees? gardner is exactly the kind of guy the yankees should lock up for the next five years so they can have a base they can count on to add the young players to.

    the plan you seem to approve is to retool every year with cast offs from other teams who used to be good, like youkillis, hafner, and ichiro. unless players like gardner and hughes are signed for good extensions favorable to both sides. the yankees will be constantly putting out broken down former stars out there trying to catch lightening in a bottle one more time.

    that’s just an amateur way to do things. hal is really a baseball amateur who happened to inherit a baseball team worth a few billion dollars. there is absolutely no point in developing a hughes, gardner, joba, cano etc if the yankees aren’t going to sign them when they can get them at a discount.

    it’s just dumb business.

  51. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    If Gardner ends up having a great year, you gotta consider moving him if you trust your OF depth in the system. The Yanks just need to trade high on…. someone. Anyone!

  52. 86w183 February 24th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    I’m with Blake on declining to extend a speed oriented player to age 32 and beyond. Let’s see what he does this year and sign him for 2014 with a well deserved raise (if he deserves it).

    In 2010-11 Gardner was an every day player with a .365 OBP. He stole 96 bases.

    I’ll take that right now and see no reason not to hope for/expect it.

  53. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Time to walk the Mopheads.

    Later.

  54. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    On the flip side.. if Gardner doesn’t have a spectacular season and you can extend him on the cheap, I’d consider that as well. 2015 is probably when we see our OF depth, so we need filler.

  55. blake February 24th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    “you don’t think having a gardner there who has proved he can play as a yankee has benefits to the yankees? gardner is exactly the kind of guy the yankees should lock up for the next five years so they can have a base they can count on to add the young players to.”

    When gardners speed declines I’m not sure what’ll be left….Id only extend him if it was very team friendly

  56. 86w183 February 24th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    randy I. wrote —–

    “there is absolutely no point in developing a hughes, gardner, joba, cano etc if the yankees aren’t going to sign them when they can get them at a discount.

    it’s just dumb business.”

    *************************************************************************

    Completely disagree.

    First, you have no idea that any/all of them is ready and/or willing to sign at a “discount”.

    Second, Cano WAS signed to a multi-year contract that bought out two years of free agency at a team-friendly price. ($ 14 M last year, $ 15 M this).

    The question now is how deep into his career do you commit to him.

    At what stage of Hughes or Joba’s career did one of them show you the performance level, health and consistency to commit long term dollars? I’m still waiting.

    I addressed the Gardner issue above… he’s a Yankee thru his age 31 season. After that, speed-based athletes generally begin to decline.

  57. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    “I actually wouldn’t extend him….Gardner is probably at the height of his powers right now. His game is just too heavily tied to his legs and at his age that could start to fade in the next couple of year”

    blake ,

    i think you have it backwards. players who can run tend to last longer. guys like jeter, lofton, raines,henderson, visquel, etc. it’s the heavy bodied guys that flame out young like youkillis and hafner.

    it’s a probability game on signing any player for the future. there will be bad contracts. what separates the good teams form the bad is being right more than other teams. if a team like the yankees never extends anyone and this is what they are doing now, they are simply not even trying.

    there is no big risk in extending gardner. the yankees could add three years on to now and get him cheap. you seem to have fallen under the impression that the yankees are actually going to have at least two outfielders emerge from their low minor league system to be good starters by 2015.

    if the yankees get one out of this bunch they’ll be doing good. two and it”s off the charts great.
    then as i said you have gardner’s cheap contract to use to trade for a position that needs help.
    a contract that is a favorable one from the team’s perspective is an asset, and not a liability.

    right now the yankees have no excess players to trade. they are not strong anywhere. think about that.

  58. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “he’s a Yankee thru his age 31 season. After that, speed-based athletes generally begin to decline.”

    more so than strength based athletes?

    prove it.

    examples?

  59. blake February 24th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    “i think you have it backwards. players who can run tend to last longer. guys like jeter, lofton, raines,henderson, visquel, etc. it’s the heavy bodied guys that flame out young like youkillis and hafner.”

    Sure if they can hit….Gardner isn’t a great hitter….he’s a slappy slapperson who walks a great deal and then steals bases…..and a great deal of his value is tied up in his defense which is tied up in his speed.

    I’m not saying he won’t be valuable still if he loses a step or two….I’m just saying that his greatest tool is set to start declining soon and he also has been injury prone…..Id just wait to extend him unless it was a very team friendly type deal…..especially when they have a lot of outfield prospects coming

  60. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    “.Id only extend him if it was very team friendly”

    blake-

    duh, that’s the effing point.

    it would be team friendly because it’d be signed ahead of time.

  61. blake February 24th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    “duh, that’s the effing point.

    it would be team friendly because it’d be signed ahead of time.”

    You can’t assume he’d accept that….what kind of money you talking about? I mean if he’d sign a 4/15 deal or something now then sure…..but why would he do that?

  62. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    “The Yanks just need to trade high on…. someone. Anyone!”

    shame the yankees can’t trade anyone who has value because they are thin everywhere.

    the whole idea of extending guys is to create depth. if hughes, gardner, cano,joba, robertson etc all were signed to team friendly extensions the yankees would have depth to trade when any prospect emerged form the minor league system.

    if as a philosophy, no one is extended and all players leave at the end of their 6 years being tied to the team, the yankees will never have depth to trade.

    the yankees simply do not produce young players fast enough to let players walk at the end of 6 years.

  63. blake February 24th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    “the yankees simply do not produce young players fast enough to let players walk at the end of 6 years.”

    They need to make smart decisions on extensions though…..not sure investiging significant money into an injury prone over 30 speed guy is that…..lets see how he does this year and if he can stay healthy

  64. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    ” I mean if he’d sign a 4/15 deal or something now then sure…..but why would he do that?”

    because he’s set for life then and he’s be a yankee which should mean something to him. if it doesn’t, the yankees should have identified that in him by now and gotten rid of him. i think gardner gets it what it means to be a yankee.

    it’s a roll of the dice for him to to gamble on having two good years and getting a much larger contract at that time. if by some chance he signed a favorable 4 year contract with the yankees and had 4 great years yeah he’d be underpaid, but he’d then be able to cash in again because he’d have had four good years.

    look, i get it that it’s not flashy to extend guys like gardner, but players iike this are the glue that holds a team together. in the old days these were the bobby richardson, hank bauer types . well there’s free agency now. what is your plan for holding on to these guys?

  65. 86w183 February 24th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Not going to do a ton of research, Randy but how’s this:

    Tim Raines, age 29-31, 143g/year, stole 141 bases — age 32-34 120g/yr, 79 SB

    Rickey Henderson age 29-31 142g/yr, 235 SB —- age 32-34 128g/yr, 159 SB

    At least in those instances “speed” oriented players began dropping off.

    Lou Brock was a notable exception.

    I still think going into the mid-thirties with guys for whom speed if CRUCIAL to their contributions is risky business. Henderson had his greatest season at age 31, never came close to that year again.

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