Cashman: Jeter will play March 10
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 24, 2013 
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Brian Cashman just said the Yankees plan to have Derek Jeter in a game at DH on or around March 10.
Other notes from Cashman:
- He corrected a previous email to me. Turns out Francisco Cervelli is out of options. Cashman said he realized yesterday that he had told me the wrong thing earlier this winter. I told him I clearly need to get a better source.
- Matt Diaz and Juan Rivera are heavy favorites for the right-handed outfield role. The Yankees do not want a young guy in that role.
- Dellin Betances will open the season as a Triple-A starter.
- Phil Hughes will do three to five days of pool work before picking up a ball.
” Phil Hughes will do three to five days of pool work before picking up a ball.”
the yankees should send him out to pat m.
pat has the pool, the refreshments , and the entertainment and he’s been following hughes since he was a kid
- Matt Diaz and Juan Rivera are heavy favorites for the right-handed outfield role. The Yankees do not want a young guy in that role.”
Lol….what role do they want a young guy in?
Last hoorah for Betances as a starter…..it’s go time if he wants to remain one
blake February 24th, 2013 at 10:52 am
jacksquat says:
February 24, 2013 at 10:45 am
Can one person of the many that say Gardner “can’t stay healthy” or “is injury prone” want to explain their statement beyond him missing last year with one injury?
Broke his hand in 2007, had to have surgery on his wrist in 2009, surgery last year on the elbow…..much of its just his style of play and that he seems to get these arm and hand injuries a lot…..they could be just freaky things that won’t recur but he has injury risk just because of how he plays……
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In 2007 he wasn’t a major leaguer. In 2009 he missed one month. 2010 and 2011 he played in 150 and 159 games. In 2012 he hurt his elbow and the Yankees did not get a correct diagnosis until later and only then decided he needed surgery.
I don’t really consider him any more injury prone than any other OF/basestealer that plays hard.
In 2007 he wasn’t a major leaguer. In 2009 he missed one month. 2010 and 2011 he played in 150 and 159 games. In 2012 he hurt his elbow and the Yankees did not get a correct diagnosis until later and only then decided he needed surgery.
I don’t really consider him any more injury prone than any other OF/basestealer that plays hard.”
So it doesn’t count if it happened in the minors.. . And part of the concern is guys that play like Gardner tend to get hurt
Minors and 2007, not really to me, considering in two consecutive years in the majors more recently he played 150 and 159 games.
blake February 24th, 2013 at 11:16 am
- Matt Diaz and Juan Rivera are heavy favorites for the right-handed outfield role. The Yankees do not want a young guy in that role.”
Lol….what role do they want a young guy in?
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Cheerleader. High five the guys when they come into the dugout…clap when they get a hit…you know stuff like that.
jacksquat says:
February 24, 2013 at 11:27 am
Minors and 2007, not really to me, considering in two consecutive years in the majors more recently he played 150 and 159 games.
That’s fine but he missed almost all of last year and the way he plays and his size etc makes him more prone to injury than some other guys….hopefully he will play 150 again this year
- Matt Diaz and Juan Rivera are heavy favorites for the right-handed outfield role. The Yankees do not want a young guy in that role.”
Lol….what role do they want a young guy in?
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Lol…..http://www.baseball-reference......ed02.shtml
blake February 24th, 2013 at 11:07 am
@JackCurryYES: Cashman clarified Cervelli has no options. Neither does Stewart. Romine does. Asked about comp, Cashman said he likes guys with no options.
They are gonna send Romine to AAA for depth most likely cause the other 2 don’t have options…..which isn’t a terrible idea so Romine can refine his bat a bit more…..but if he hits I certainly hope he doesn’t stay there long
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I would prefer that they have Romine as the starter, lose either Cervelli or Stewart and then use Cody Eppley to get another veteran to join Bobby Wilison in Scranton or just wait to see who shakes loose at the end of spring. There’s bound to be someone available.
Stone,
Nunez hasn’t even made the team yet….nice try though
Id like to see Romine and Cervelli too but unless Romine just really has a great spring Id guess he will start at SWb
Stoneburner – The Return of Wax February 24th, 2013 at 11:29 am
- Matt Diaz and Juan Rivera are heavy favorites for the right-handed outfield role. The Yankees do not want a young guy in that role.”
Lol….what role do they want a young guy in?
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Neither one of them can actually play the outfield though.
I get the idea of wanting Mesa and Almonte to get regular at bats in the minors but if that’s the case, go trade for Justin Maxwell or Jose Tabata. Neither should cost much.
I think when Cashman says that he doesn’t want young guys in certain roles it is mostly just a lot of talk. He wants kids to go out and earn their spots and not think anything is being handed to them. Last time the Yankees handed kids roles in spring training without making them work for it was 2008 and Hughes and Kennedy both bombed; same with Montero when Cervelli got hurt and he was thought of as the prohibitive favorite to back up Martin. I’m not saying that Melky Mesa or Austin Romine would come in as dogs thinking they had roster spots wrapped up; but keep making them think that they have a lot to overcome.
@JasonKlein24: A-Rod gave his 2009 WS ring to his cousin. Now it’s up for auction. Nice to see how much that ring really meant to Alex #Yankees
blake February 24th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Last hoorah for Betances as a starter…..it’s go time if he wants to remain one
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Brackman gone
Betances ineffective
Banuelos oft injured
Thanks Nardi.
I can’t believe Alex gave away his only WS ring
blake February 24th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Last hoorah for Betances as a starter…..it’s go time if he wants to remain one
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Brackman gone
Betances ineffective
Banuelos oft injured
Just something to keep in mind when visions of a Heathcott, Williams Austin outfield and pitchers throwing to Gary Sanchez start dancing in our heads.
I still think Banuelos is going to be really good
blake February 24th, 2013 at 11:42 am
I can’t believe Alex gave away his only WS ring
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I’m sure that this will be spun as Alex caring more about personal accolades than team awards.
If the Yankees kept Romine and Cervelli, no team would claim Stewart and if they did, there should be a dozen other leftover catchers just like him.
So if Romine performs here in ST, he should win the job and Chris Stewart’s lack of options doesn’t block him from the opportunity.
But this all hinges on Romine having a good spring.
@JasonKlein24: A-Rod gave his 2009 WS ring to his cousin. Now it’s up for auction. Nice to see how much that ring really meant to Alex #Yankees
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It’s a replica.
“He clearly felt some debt of gratitude to Sucart, paying for a replica ring for his cousin.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/.....t/1942597/
Oh…the ring is a copy
blake February 24th, 2013 at 11:43 am
I still think Banuelos is going to be really good
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I think at best he’ll be Phil Hughes.
An inconsistent, injury prone, 5 inning pitcher who never reaches his full potential. Nice number 4 starter.
“I think at best he’ll be Phil Hughes.”
Really no basis for that….they are totally different ….and besides Hughes is better than people give him credit for and is only 26 still
Chip February 24th, 2013 at 11:45 am
blake February 24th, 2013 at 11:43 am
I still think Banuelos is going to be really good
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I think at best he’ll be Phil Hughes.
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That doesn’t help the Yankees long term.
blake February 24th, 2013 at 11:47 am
“I think at best he’ll be Phil Hughes.”
Really no basis for that….they are totally different ….and besides Hughes is better than people give him credit for and is only 26 still
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Sure there is – like Hughes, Banuelos is an immensely talented pitcher who, like Hughes, has been plagued by injuries through his minor league career. Beyond that, the Yankees strict adherence to pitch counts means that he’s essentially being trained to wear down after 5 innings…in 5 seasons in the minors he has pitched fewer than 400 innings and started only 70 games – by comparison CC Sabathia made over 60 starts and pitched more than 400 innings in the last two seasons.
Hughes isn’t better than he’s given credit for; he’s talented, inconsistent and injury prone. But you’re right, he’s 26.
Who am I?
Pitcher A career stats as a starter
4.68 ERA
1.33 WHIP
Pitcher B career stats as a starter
4.67 ERA
1.35 WHIP
Hint: one is Phil Hughes and the other is a hated former Yankee
Against All Odds February 24th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Chip February 24th, 2013 at 11:45 am
blake February 24th, 2013 at 11:43 am
I still think Banuelos is going to be really good
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I think at best he’ll be Phil Hughes.
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That doesn’t help the Yankees long term.
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It’s the inability to actually develop quality starters that lead to things like the Yankees trading Jesus Montero for a young starter developed by an organization that can actually develop starters like the Mariners.
Which is strange because the former Yankee was run out of town yet a clear segment of fans want to go to great lengths to lock up Phil Hughes long term.
The prospect hugging effect.
As much as I like Hafners potential at YS,….his inability to play 1B,and only DH versus righties,leaves the Yanks with 24 and half players.
FiretheUMPIRE February 24th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Which is strange because the former Yankee was run out of town yet a clear segment of fans want to go to great lengths to lock up Phil Hughes long term.
The prospect hugging effect.
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Was it AJ or Pavano?
In either case – part of what drove us fans crazy is how overpaid they were for the results. Hughes is currently being paid like a back of the rotation starter. I wouldn’t give him the kind of contract he’s going to get this winter though – if he gets Jeremy Guthrie or Anibal Sanchez money then he’ll be grossly overpaid.
Hughes has been healthy 2 seasons as a starter…..those 2 seasons he’s averaged 17 wins, about a 4.2 ERA, 1.2 WHIP, and about 155 Ks…..
his career numbers are skewed by his terrible 2011 and some of his early outings when he was like 21 years old.
Also….Hughes really has nothing to do with Banuelos except they both are Yankees
No Chip it was not AJ or Pavano but someone equally despised, a little further back, but not too far back.
Think about this track record of success.
The last 7 pitching prospects for the Yankees have been:
Hughes
Chamberlain
Kennedy
Humberto Sanchez
Andrew Brackman
Dellin Betances
Manny Banuelos
Brian Cashman entrusted their development to Nardi Contreras and not one of them has achieved or is on course to achieve the kind of success that evaluators around the game predicted for them. That is Brian’s biggest failing as a GM. For a man who believes “pitching is the key” to put those players in the hands of an inept (fired multiple times – including by the Yankees) pitching coach turned “pitching guru” should be grounds for dismissal. Hiring Gil Patterson to replace Nardi this year is tantamount to closing the barn door after the horses all died.
Blake, all players have career numbers skewed by terrible seasons. Just that prospect hugging fans tend to overlook those racked up by homegrowns and fixate on those innings thrown by outsiders.
The samples I provided are the largest available.
But prospect huggers will cherry pick.
I’m going to compare Gardner to somebody now.
Javy?
The most predictable way to develop starting pitching is to be able to draft Verlander or Strasburg …..how many organizations are actually consistently good at developing starting pitching?
The Rays, the Giants….the Cards maybe? Most teams stink at it too…..it’s hard and you have to have some degree of luck as well
blake February 24th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Hughes has been healthy 2 seasons as a starter…..those 2 seasons he’s averaged 17 wins, about a 4.2 ERA, 1.2 WHIP, and about 155 Ks…..
his career numbers are skewed by his terrible 2011 and some of his early outings when he was like 21 years old.
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So he’s had a bad season, a couple of good (not great) seasons, 2 lost seasons and one good season as a relief pitcher…as I said, inconsistent and injury prone. Same future I see for Manny B right now.
“Blake, all players have career numbers skewed by terrible seasons. Just that prospect hugging fans tend to overlook those racked up by homegrowns and fixate on those innings thrown by outsiders.”
So why post them when they are largely irrelevant for a 26 year old with 2 full healthy seasons starting ?
“So he’s had a bad season, a couple of good (not great) seasons, 2 lost seasons and one good season as a relief pitcher…as I said, inconsistent and injury prone. Same future I see for Manny B right now.”
The non linear development of most pitching prospects
blake February 24th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
The most predictable way to develop starting pitching is to be able to draft Verlander or Strasburg …..how many organizations are actually consistently good at developing starting pitching?
The Rays, the Giants….the Cards maybe? Most teams stink at it too…..it’s hard and you have to have some degree of luck as well
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That’s a cop out. The last time the Yankees developed a front line starter was Andy Pettitte – that’s not bad luck that’s ineptitude either from the development personnel or the scouts who bring these pitchers into the organization.
Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee could have been called inconsistent mediocre pitchers for much of their early careers
Chip February 24th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Think about this track record of success.
The last 7 pitching prospects for the Yankees have been:
Hughes
Chamberlain
Kennedy
Humberto Sanchez
Andrew Brackman
Dellin Betances
Manny Banuelos
Brian Cashman entrusted their development to Nardi Contreras and not one of them has achieved or is on course to achieve the kind of success that evaluators around the game predicted for them. That is Brian’s biggest failing as a GM. For a man who believes “pitching is the key” to put those players in the hands of an inept (fired multiple times – including by the Yankees) pitching coach turned “pitching guru” should be grounds for dismissal. Hiring Gil Patterson to replace Nardi this year is tantamount to closing the barn door after the horses all died.
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QFT
IMO the biggest non player move of the off season was bring in Patterson. It’s going to take a while to change things but if he can produce a handful of guys like he did for the a’s then we are in good shape moving forward.
“That’s a cop out. The last time the Yankees developed a front line starter was Andy Pettitte – that’s not bad luck that’s ineptitude either from the development personnel or the scouts who bring these pitchers into the organization.”
It’s not a cop out….it’s reality….developing pitching is hard and it’s even harder when you draft at the end of the draft every year and have to gamble on upside guys in high school……I’m not saying they don’t need to improve because certainly they do…..but it’s not as easy and you make it sound to develop David Price or Matt Cain or whoever
Chip
I agree with your comments about Contreras……I think Patterson will do a better job,and should be given the chance.
I do love the Patterson move and hope he helps….
Blake since I posted the largest statistical sample available, it is the one that is most relevant to mathematical comparison.
Now here is a statistical comp for another Yankee hand hugged and squeezed so hard his guts fall out.
Player A career averages 162 games
.266 BA
.355 OBP
5 HR
43 RBI
93 OPS+
47 SB
Player B career averages 162 games
.277
.349
5 HR
52 RBI
92 OPS+
44 SB
Now one of these players is a guy who obviously relies on speed whose career took a nosedive into an abyss at age 32.
The other is turning 30 and a clear segment of fans want to rush to lock him up long term before he “gets too expensive”.
You can’t make this stuff up.
“The other is turning 30 and a clear segment of fans want to rush to lock him up long term before he “gets too expensive”.”
If you had read the posts today then you’d know that I’m not one of them
The prospect hugging effect.
Run Jeff Weaver out of town.
Lock up Phil Hughes.
Mock Chone Figgins and how the Mariners got stuck with a horrible contract for a player over thirty who relies on speed.
Lock up Gardner to a horrible contract at age 30.
Blake don’t be so sensitive. I’m not picking on you. I’m illustrating the math behind the prospect hugging effect. Now I’m going to submit an article to BP with numbers and LOHUD quotes and get a fancy article published so I can accumulate more online friends.
Figgins is not a normal career progression, far from it. I was not one who was proposing an extension for Gardner, but that’s a bad comparison.
Jeff Weaver? You’re sorta leaving out that he had a 6 era and went 7-9 in his last season as a Yankee….,,not really the same thing or situation at all
They are both bad….you need to try harder if you want to be contrary Fire
blake February 24th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee could have been called inconsistent mediocre pitchers for much of their early careers
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say what? Halladay had one bad season in his first 6. Lee did struggle early and in both cases the organizations didn’t let them “figure it out” at the major league level. They were sent to the minors to work with competent pitching instructors – an option not available to Phil through his career.
“Which is strange because the former Yankee was run out of town yet a clear segment of fans want to go to great lengths to lock up Phil Hughes long term.”
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Not rush, begin negotiations to see if a cost-effective deal can be reached. But I guess if you have a weak argument, you overstate the opposing point of view.
Chip,
The point was that its easy to label pitchers too early …..
Try harder?
Find a player whose career stats are more a carbon copy of Phil Hughes than Jeff Weaver.
Then find one whose career stats and situation more closely mirror Gardner’s than Chone Figgins.
You can’t.
Banuelos is a horse and not necessarily injury-prone.
About Gardner’s injury history. You can count all the games he participated in, but he has played hurt for countless games, and for example, although he played in 150 games in 2010, he could barely hit (under .600 OPS) after he returned from the thumb injury. A diminished Brett Gardner, even if he is playing is not an asset. So, here’s hoping he can not only stay on the field, but play to his ceiling on the field instead of his play being diminished by fractures, and nagging injuries.
Unfortunately, I have to head to the office. Go Yanks!
“The prospect hugging effect.
Run Jeff Weaver out of town.
Lock up Phil Hughes.”
Is your point that right now Hughes is no better than Jeff Weaver was as a Yankee?
I also don’t think anyone is suggesting they sign Hughes at all costs…..just woukd like yonder him retained at an affordable price….if he reaches free agency and has a good 2013 then that’ll probably be impossible
And now the prospect huggers are going to get all defensive because the numbers show that their prospect hugging is highly irrational.
If Patterson is allowed to implement his own policies and procedures and not simply teach to a philosophy that Brian Cashman thinks works then guys like Campos, Turley, Mitchell, Ramirez have a chance to truly benefit, maybe Banuelos as well since they can break him down and build him back through his rehab. Hughes and Joba are lost causes, Betances is probably heading that way too.
This board is so f’n boring. Have a nice day.
That’s frustrating to hear that the young guys have no real shot at getting the LF position. Having a Mustelier, Mesa or Almonte would be one way to make this team slightly more exciting. I have no desire to see much of Rivera or Diaz.
Platoon position that is …
“Find a player whose career stats are more a carbon copy of Phil Hughes than Jeff Weaver.”
When he’s been healthy he’s been close to Mart Garza…..also you’re just totally ignoring that Weaver was absolutely horrific in his final season in NY and that he was acquired to be a frontline guy…..the circumstances are totally unrelated really
Still waiting on those comps that peg Gardner and Hughes more accurately than Figgins and Jeff Weaver.
You can’t find them, no matter how hard you try.
tucker February 24th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
That’s frustrating to hear that the young guys have no real shot at getting the LF position. Having a Mustelier, Mesa or Almonte would be one way to make this team slightly more exciting. I have no desire to see much of Rivera or Diaz.
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Agreed.
Though hopefully this is a smokescreen that Cashman is putting out there so the kids work harder.
Hughes and Gardner aren’t even prospects so what are you taking about dude
“And now the prospect huggers are going to get all defensive because the numbers show that their prospect hugging is highly irrational.”
Congratulations on the most asinine of conclusions using stats for the day. To conclude that Phil Hughes right now has the same value that Jeff Weaver had as a Yankee means you are not paying attention.
Have a nice day.
If Hughes puts up and 6 ERA this year then goes on to be terrible the rest of his career then sure…..he’s a good comp to Weaver…..but otherwise not so much
One last thing…
Don’t shoot the messenger.
gday
Did you watch Jeff Weaver pitch? Have you watched Hughes pitch?
AT age 26 which one would you pick for your team?
blake February 24th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Hughes and Gardner aren’t even prospects so what are you taking about dude
Correct. So maybe stop hugging them as if they still are.
gday for real this time. Now I’m going to slug a beer with my growing community of online friends.
‘And now the prospect huggers are going to get all defensive because the numbers show that their prospect hugging is highly irrational.”
Yet you are the only one being defensive by distorting reality.
And before I go… Hughes is so underappreciated, just because he isn’t an ace…
“And before I go… Hughes is so underappreciated, just because he isn’t an ace…”
That’s one reason. Another is that we don’t really know what he is because he hasn’t gone consistent IP:
Last four seasons: 86, 176, 74, 191
So building arm strength has been impossible.
the rays got seven full years out of jamie shields and then traded him for the minor league player of the year in wil meyers.
the rays were able to do this because they gave him an extended contract after his second big league year.
the yankees have not done this with a pitcher.
hughes came up at age 21. shields came up at age 24.
hughes may be just as good as shields,but because he was brought up much sooner it’s hard to compare their stats. had the yankees brought up hughes later. say at age 23 and then extended him like shields was, the yankee could have had hughes relatively cheap through age 29-30 .
there is simply a very different approach with how the yankees do business.
the rays nailed it with shields. they got 7 really good years from him at a good price and then spun him off for a great young player.
that’s how to do it.
Calling out lohud posters – calling out lohud posters:
Via ESPN:
Jon Lester, LHP, Boston Red Sox
2012 stats: 4.82 ERA, 7.3 K/9 (1.1 WARP)
Projected 2013 stats: 3.63 ERA, 8.5 K/9 (3.5 WARP)
Lester struck out roughly 10 batters per nine innings in more than 400 innings during 2009-10, but a lat strain and extended mechanical struggles caused his strikeout rate to suffer. Lester is healthy, by all accounts, and he still throws very hard for a lefty, so it’s plausible that he could round back into form, especially with former pitching coach John Farrell once more keeping a close eye on his delivery (not that PECOTA knows about that).
Back in Novemberish it was brought to lohud commenters attention that Lester could bounce back with Farrell and that this could impact the Yankees by having to face Lester so much – lohud commenters said so what – so you are worried about 2 or 3 or 4 games against Lester – but now we know that the AL East is going to be very tight and those 2 or 3 or 4 games could mean a bunch this season – the above quoted ESPN and PECOTA analysis now backs that up – - – - -
Calling out lohud posters who dismissed Jon Lester/Farrell – calling out lohud posters who dismissed Jon Lester/Farrell – - – -