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Granderson to miss 10 weeks

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 24, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Curtis Granderson has a fractured forearm and will miss 10 weeks before being big league ready. That should be 10 weeks from today.

 
 

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182 Responses to “Granderson to miss 10 weeks”

  1. Benny Blanco February 24th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    DAMN!!!!!!!

  2. PhiltheThrill February 24th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Ugh. Feel better, Curtis!

  3. Northy February 24th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Give a young guy a chance… Austin, Almonte or maybe Mustellier…

    Would hate to see and old immobile veteran play full time…

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    repost:

    Okay so we have Juan Rivera. He isn’t exactly chopped liver. Don’t know enough about Diaz.

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “just have a feeling this is going to be a terrible year for NYY. Day 2 and it starts.”

    I’m stunned. You’re always so, er, positive…

  6. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    This is a disaster pretty much.

  7. Mike in Harrisburg February 24th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    What’s important now is someone taking the bull by the horns and making Joe’s decision on a replacement easy.

  8. tucker February 24th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Juan Rivera is more like chopped chorizo, judging by his girth.

  9. Pat M. February 24th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Time to hope that Almonte can answer the door as opportunity hascome knocking

  10. Tar February 24th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    “Rivera and Diaz aren’t every day players”

    Ibanez says hola amigo

  11. jacksquat February 24th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Theoretically a lefthanded/switch hitter would replace Granderson, and he would platoon with the RH 4th OF, maybe.

    So who hits lefthanded? Zoological Almonte? Heathcott, Williams and Flores probably are too low level to be considered.

  12. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Ibanez says hola amigo

    Ibanez wasn’t an every day player either?

  13. tomingeorgia February 24th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Nice sinker.
    Get well soon, Curtis.

  14. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Almonte, Mesa, Mustellier.. anyone but the guys we bothered to sign this off season lol.

    You always need a few OFers.. really wish we would have hung onto Dickerson but if it means one of the AAA guys gets a shot great.

  15. Nilsson February 24th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    It’s a 10 weeks recovery and it’s still February. He’ll be back in May. It’s not a disaster.

    Maybe one of the Triple-A or Double AA players gets a chance to contribute for the first month of the season.

  16. TheStraw February 24th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Soriano will be in pinstripes by next weekend.

  17. Tar February 24th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    “Ibanez wasn’t an every day player either?”

    Exactly, yet he played every day. More than likely one of Rivera and Diaz will get the the same opportunity

  18. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    “Ibanez says hello”

    :)

    Those who fail to remember the lessons of history might see themselves forced to repeat them. And last year wasn’t that long ago.

    Or to quote Peter, Paul, and Mary – When will they ever learn? When will they e-e-ver learn?”

  19. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    It’s a 10 weeks recovery and it’s still February. He’ll be back in May. It’s not a disaster.

    They are missing their best power bat for the first month and a half or more of games. That is a disaster because this year is going to be tight. They cannot afford to have one of their reliable bats out for any length of time. Losing Cano, Tex, or Grandy for a month+ is a disaster, because those are the guys they are counting on.

  20. 4 NYY February 24th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Musty and or Almonte.

  21. 4 NYY February 24th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Grandy – all class !

  22. Tyler February 24th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    I have a feeling it’s going to take Grandy a while to get going after he comes back now anyway… not going to be easy with virtually no spring training.

  23. Northy February 24th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    A chance for a young player to play regularly for 4 weeks, which are what they need, be it in the Minor or Major Leagues. Diaz and Rivera are platoon players/bench players.

  24. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 24th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    lol – lol – calling out lohud posters – calling out chicken little lohud posters:

    via Buster:

    13. New York Yankees
    Games against teams with records .500 or better last year: 15 of their first 41 games.
    Home/Road: 22 of their first 41 will be at home.

    Early schedule notes: They have a tough 10-game stretch in which they’ll be tested by divisional foes from April 19-28  seven games against the Blue Jays and three against the Rays. But they could have a soft part of their schedule from April 29 to May 16; in that time, they’ll play the Astros, Rockies, Royals and Mariners.

    The hurdle ahead: The Yankees need to take advantage of that soft spot because it’s going to get rough about June 11 because they will face, in order: the A’s, Angels, Dodgers, Rays, Rangers and Orioles. This is their first-half meat grinder.

    lol – lol – calling out lohud posters – I forgot where it said Granderson was lost for the season – calling out lohud posters – - – -

  25. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Exactly, yet he played every day. More than likely one of Rivera and Diaz will get the the same opportunity

    Yea and was terrible, he hit .211 .291 .357 .648 for the summer months. Don’t find that comforting that guys who are even worse than Ibanez was in their preceding seasons are potentially starters for the Yankees.

  26. austinmac February 24th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    No Rivera please. He is fat and unproductive. Let’s see if Mustelier or Almontecan play. I think either would be better.

  27. 4 NYY February 24th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    HR’s are not to be dismissed.

  28. tucker February 24th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    I sure hope Cashman doesn’t react to this by trading a prospect for a middling OF’r … Give one of the kids a chance.

  29. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Instead of Rivera / Diaz, I’d like an Almonte / Mustelier platoon in the outfield.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    “It’s a 10 weeks recovery and it’s still February. He’ll be back in May. It’s not a disaster.”

    Nobody’s happy that Curtis is down, but some of the reaction reminds me of a verse from the following nursery rhyme:

    Goosey Loosey said that Ducky Lucky said that Turkey Lurkey said that Henny Penny said that Chicken Little said the sky is falling in!”

    Derek Jeter was hurt in the first game of the season several years back and out for quite a while. How did that work out? Jorge Posada went down early in the 2009 season, and then his back up got hurt. How did that work out?

    I think the Yankees will survive. JMO…

  31. Tar February 24th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    “Matt Diaz and Juan Rivera are heavy favorites for the right-handed outfield role. The Yankees do not want a young guy in that role.”

    This was from today. Unless one of the young guys has a monster spring, the Yankees will go with the veteran with a pulse. Sure hope I’m wrong but…. doubt it.

  32. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Ibanez was not very good in an everyday OF role.. not sure why that should be evidence for why things are okay right now. Shouldn’t that have been evidence for why we could use a replacement level 4th OFer?

  33. 4 NYY February 24th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    At this stage Juan Rivera might as well be “Ruben.” JMO

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    One more time, with the emphasis where it belongs:

    “It’s a 10 weeks recovery and it’s still February. He’ll be back in May. It’s not a disaster.”

    Nobody’s happy that Curtis is down, but some of the reaction reminds me of a verse from the following nursery rhyme:

    Goosey Loosey said that Ducky Lucky said that Turkey Lurkey said that Henny Penny said that Chicken Little said the sky is falling in!”

    Derek Jeter was hurt in the first game of the season several years back and out for quite a while. How did that work out? Jorge Posada went down early in the 2009 season, and then his back up got hurt. How did that work out?

    I think the Yankees will survive.

    JMO of course.

  35. kd February 24th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    so gardner in center.

    if they have guts, almonte in left. romine at catcher

    when was the last time two rookies started for the yankees? jeter and rivera in ’96?

  36. Tyler February 24th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    It would be really frustrating to go with Rivera/Diaz… Almonte is 23 years old. Lets see what either he or Mustelier can do. Maybe you catch lightening in a bottle for a month.

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    “lol – lol – calling out lohud posters – I forgot where it said Granderson was lost for the season – calling out lohud posters – – – -”

    Sigh. Yeah sure is frustrating. And old.

  38. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 24th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    calling out OCD negative pessimistic lohud posters – calling out posters that need to have the season played out already on their excel spreadsheets in 2013 and 2014 and 2015 – - – -

  39. Mike in Harrisburg February 24th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Gary Sanchez is eerily reminiscent of A-Rod at the plate.

  40. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    We have a couple of guys at AAA that can play in the OF… just get them out there. Why waste this opportunity to see what guys like Rivera will give you when you already know what to expect? Rivera isn’t going to help you next year. Let’s work on getting some guys ready for the bigs. This will be a nice test for a 2014 OF without Grandy.

  41. Tar February 24th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    “Ibanez was not very good in an everyday OF role.. not sure why that should be evidence for why things are okay right now. ”

    If you are responding to me that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that just like Ibanez was chosen last year, Rivera and/or Diaz will be chosen this year.

    Me I would much rather prefer a kid get a shot.

  42. jacksquat February 24th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
    Instead of Rivera / Diaz, I’d like an Almonte / Mustelier platoon in the outfield.

    Yep.

  43. 4 NYY February 24th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Young blood should be given a shot ! Enough experience on this team now.

  44. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Derek Jeter was hurt in the first game of the season several years back and out for quite a while. How did that work out? Jorge Posada went down early in the 2009 season, and then his back up got hurt. How did that work out?

    Both those teams were much stronger. Posada in 09 was out for half a month, and his backup is nothing. The rest of the team OPS’d .800+ The 03 Yankees were pretty sick overall.

    Grandy is a big cog in the 2013 Yankees. Stinks.

  45. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    “Gary Sanchez is eerily reminiscent of A-Rod at the plate.”

    i was thinking same thing.

  46. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Tar – Not responding to anyone in particular.. my thinking is that all last season should have taught us is that you need to go into every season with 4 guys you feel comfortable playing in the OF. We didn’t do that even after getting a lesson on it last year.

  47. Tar February 24th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    I agree Shame.

    The veteran with a pulse is a hard habit to break.

  48. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Sanchez is a lot more attractive than I thought.. why no one would think to mention this, I have no idea.

    I also like Romine’s chubby face. I hope he does well this year. In Joba’s absence last year, I did not get my chubby face fill.

  49. yankeehotelfoxtrot February 24th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    I haven’t read through the plethora of comments yet and I’m sure this has been said already, but what a friggin’ mistake it was to not acquire a solid outfielder (preferably a right handed hitting one, obviously)!! It has a strange, almost karmic feeling. So in usual Yankee fashion, I’m sure that means Juan Rivera/Matt Diaz will be the opening day left-fielder? Awesome! Will they give up half the farm for Stanton (or at least try to)? Will one of the young bucks (likely Mesa or Almonte since the “other three” aren’t “ready” yet) get a shot? I know he strikes out a lot but Grandy is a HUGE part of the team (both on and off the field), and a great guy! I feel very badly for him.

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    “Ibanez was not very good in an everyday OF role.. not sure why that should be evidence for why things are okay right now. Shouldn’t that have been evidence for why we could use a replacement level 4th OFer?”

    Actually he was quite good after he got some of the yips out. But here’s the difference. Gardner was down for the season, basically. Granderson is not.

    *************

    Actually this BS gives me more of a visceral reaction than Youkilis in pinstripes. Here comes the feet of clay lohudders.

    All you should care about it the Yankees winning games and if they can do it and it isn’t done your recommended way, suck it up and move on.

  51. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    It has a strange, almost karmic feeling.

    ————————

    Don’t even say that!!

    Despite what we might think, the last thing anyone on this blog wants is to be right about the 2013 Yankees lol. Let’s not call this karma….. please… my heart can’t take it this early in the season.

  52. 4 NYY February 24th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Where’s the power gonna come from early on ? Maybe Hafner hits somewhat like he used to.
    Maybe Youk starts well.

    Maybe, just maybe, Brett comes alive and Nunez plays and they both insert the speed game a bit.

    MAYBE

  53. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    All you should care about it the Yankees winning games

    Losing Granderson is an impediment to this, duh.

    Ibanez got worse the more he played regularly, not better. Don’t know where you’re getting that. He was lost at the plate for 3 months.

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    “Both those teams were much stronger. Posada in 09 was out for half a month, and his backup is nothing. The rest of the team OPS’d .800+ The 03 Yankees were pretty sick overall.

    Grandy is a big cog in the 2013 Yankees. Stinks.”

    Well here’s our ace in the hole. The pitching will do the job while the team rallies to get the job done until Grandy gets back.

  55. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    “lol – lol – calling out lohud posters – I forgot where it said Granderson was lost for the season – calling out lohud posters – – – -”

    “Sigh. Yeah sure is frustrating. And old.”

    people who overreact when something bad happens are definitely annoying, but no more annoying than someone who is in denial when something bad happens and acts like it’s no big deal.

    granderson breaking his forearm is clearly a problem.the yankees were already thin on offense and they just lost one of their better players. not good.

  56. Nilsson February 24th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    I’d rather have Grandy play all season, but all teams will go through multiple injuries. They will have to sack up and try to make the best of it. This is what I was talking about recently. The season, plus preseason now, is unpredictable. Injuries and ineffectiveness occur throughout the year.

    I mentioned Heathcott, Montgomery and Pineda as possible help down the road. But this also includes guys like Mustelier and Almonte. They’ll get their chances. This should please at least some in the fanbase.

  57. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Ibanez was good as a DH… Ibanez was not good as an OFer.

    DH: .283 .340 .565 .905
    LF: .228 .302 .414 .716
    RF: .225 .279 .450 .729

    The numbers speak for themselves. We planned for him to be the DH. Had it worked out the way we drew it up, it would have been a great plan.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    “Losing Granderson is an impediment to this, duh.”

    Nice cherry picking jerkface.

    I don’t have a chart but it wouldn’t surprise me if the same people kvetching now are the same ones who were flipped out about Ibanez being on the Yankees and his “wretched” ST.

    Sorry but I just can’t get down in the weeds with those of you who see the sky falling in any time something goes wrong.

    Talk to each other about it. I’m sure you will, and endlessly.

    NOBODY

  59. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Look, losing Grandy (especially at this point in the year) is hardly a disaster. But it depends on how they approach things going forward. No one wants to see guys that have long since past their prime out there when we have some guys that might have upside waiting in the wings.

    Hopefully the Yanks go with the youth movement Hal was talking about this off season.

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    NOBODY is thrilled about this. But some of us can actually deal with it, without seeing the end of the Yankees season.

  61. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    I just want them to be thinking ‘we might need one of these guys to fill a hole in 2014′ and go from there. That’s how they should be looking at this. As an opportunity to see if they really have anyone in house that can help stop gap a season.

  62. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Sorry but I just can’t get down in the weeds with those of you who see the sky falling in any time something goes wrong.

    Their second best hitter is missing all of spring training and the first month and a half of the season. Its a big deal.

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    “No one wants to see guys that have long since past their prime out there when we have some guys that might have upside waiting in the wings.”

    Shame, I don’t care if they put the batboy out there, as long as he can do the job. It will be great to have the young guys out there but if they’re not and the Yankees win the games, then for me it’s fine.

  64. Ralow February 24th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Damn, we are losing all of our offense. A-Rod, Swisher, Martin, Ibanez/Chavez/Jones, and now Grandy. That is a TON of our offense from last year. Grandy is at least coming back but man…that’s like 100 HRs, and 300 RBIs we have to somehow replace (not including Granderson).

  65. TheStraw February 24th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    They need to replace that power for a month….I’d be willing to bet they make a deal for Soriano that involves Salary relief and few prospects.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    “Their second best hitter is missing all of spring training and the first month and a half of the season. Its a big deal.”

    Have it your way, nostradamus. Because you know that it’s fatal.

    It was a big deal for Jeter to be injured also. Eric Almonte absolutely got the job done.

    Nobody’s minimizing Curtis being down, but not everyone is signing up for the funeral procession because of it.

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    I really like Jayson Nix.

  68. Patrick February 24th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Have it your way, nostradamus. Because you know that it’s fatal.

    Nobody said it’s fatal, but it’s a bad thing. We won’t know until the games are played but this could really hurt the team

  69. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    “No one wants to see guys that have long since past their prime out there when we have some guys that might have upside waiting in the wings.”

    Shame, I don’t care if they put the batboy out there, as long as he can do the job. It will be great to have the young guys out there but if they’re not and the Yankees win the games, then for me it’s fine.

    ——————–

    Well.. yeah.. I mean if they can win who cares, but if they can win and also develop players isn’t that preferable?

    Ultimately the team has to consider multiple factors when making these decisions. 2014 should be at least 1 factor. Rivera and Diaz are what they are. If between them and Almonte/Mesa/Mustellier it’s a push then go with the possibility of upside. Especially when the AAA guys are better defensive options. Go with the D.

  70. kd February 24th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    please no trading for alfonso soriano or vernon wells

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    “Nobody said it’s fatal, but it’s a bad thing. We won’t know until the games are played but this could really hurt the team”

    I tend to look at the positive and think that the team will manage to get it done.

    However, I agree it is a bad thing Patrick.

  72. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    It’s gonna be real hard for Grandy to rack up 200 strike outs after missing a full month of the season.

    Plus points!!

  73. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Have it your way, nostradamus. Because you know that it’s fatal.

    Nobody’s minimizing Curtis being down, but not everyone is signing up for the funeral procession because of it.

    Did I say it was fatal? Can we react to the injury, which is a big deal and bad news? How they handle it can be discussed when the Yankees take steps to do so. As of right now we know Grandy is out until mid may at least and that is a big chunk of playing time where they will miss his bat.

  74. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    kd February 24th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    please no trading for alfonso soriano or vernon wells

    ——————–

    The good thing is they have some more time to see what Almonte/Mesa can do. They can probably hold off making a move for a few more weeks at least. They might not have to.

  75. 4 NYY February 24th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    kd February 24th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    please no trading for alfonso soriano or vernon wells

    ————————-

    You had to bring them up ? I agree wholeheartedly !!!

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    “Well.. yeah.. I mean if they can win who cares, but if they can win and also develop players isn’t that preferable?”

    Sure it’s preferable.

    And I am huge on D. But people seem to be worrying not about Curtis’s D, Shame, but his offense!

    So who’s the best combination plate? I have no idea but I guess that would be the best way to go.

  77. kd February 24th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    hope you’re right shame. no sense in tying up years and money

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    “It’s gonna be real hard for Grandy to rack up 200 strike outs after missing a full month of the season.

    Plus points!!”

    :lol:

    You’re quick, Shame!

  79. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    And I am huge on D. But people seem to be worrying not about Curtis’s D, Shame, but his offense!

    Matt Diaz and Juan Rivera are both going to be poor in the outfield, which is one of the reasons both of them as starters is no good. Besides both of them being not good hitters.

  80. blake February 24th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Diaz and Rivera shouldn’t be options to replace Granderson….they can’t play defense at all and who knows if either will hit either….

    Give Zoilo a chance or trade for Soriano….Soriano would help even after Granderson comes back

  81. NYY_Girl_Penny February 24th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    2013 Yankees are about as exciting as Family Feud after Richard Dawson, or with him for that matter. LOL!

    Surveyyyyy____ Says !! “Yankees are a joke!” dun dun da, dunna dun dunt dah..

  82. blake February 24th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    @LoHudYankees: Cashman said he’s not sure what this means for the CF situation; not sure whether one of the young guys in camp is ready to play every day

    Uhm …it means Gardner in CF and somebody in LF

  83. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    So who’s the best combination

    ——————–

    That’s the problem lol, there is no good combination. This will make the bench situation more interesting, that’s for sure.

    If it’s me, I pick a AAA guy.

    Whoever has the highest upside and can give you solid D. If that means using Mesa, fine. If it means Almonte, fine. If it means testing Austin or Heathcott in that role… fantastic.

    But wasting that spot on Rivera or Diaz when we have a real opportunity to get young guys big league playing time is a mistake, IMO.

    ST just got real lol. Let’s see how much more time Austin and Heathcott get in games these next couple of weeks.

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Hey I’m for the best option. If it’s not one of the “veterans” then so be it. I also believe the Yankees will want the best option.

  85. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Crap, the grainy candy man is out. Romero has wonky knees. What we need is Koufax to come along and tell us, ” its o.k., Just take that ball on two days’ rest and keep your mouth Shutt, Steve.” :)

  86. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    blake February 24th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    @LoHudYankees: Cashman said he’s not sure what this means for the CF situation; not sure whether one of the young guys in camp is ready to play every day

    Uhm …it means Gardner in CF and somebody in LF

    ——————–

    My fear is they go Gardner in CF, Ichi in LF and Diaz/Rivera in RF.

    I’d rather them get some young legs in LF, keep Ichi in RF and Gardner in CF.

  87. austinmac February 24th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    This injury was one of the typical baseball injuries. Bad luck but not unforeseeable. This is why it is not a good plan to have your 4th OF be Rivera or Diaz, both of whom are ten miles worse than Ibanez.

    Ten weeks is May 5th. That would mean 30 plus games. I am not for harming the future for 30 games. Soriano only if he doesn’t cost a future useful player. Wells, I hope never, ever.

  88. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Pretend April is sneak peak at 2014′s OF. That’s what they should try doing. As terrible as it is for Grandy, this is a great opportunity.

  89. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    We always have to go for, the absolutely fabulous best option.

  90. jacksquat February 24th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    They were already going to have a RH OF, they just need to replace Granderson with a lefthanded/switch hitter to platoon with that guy. Zoilo fits.

  91. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Youk better put together a hell of a first month…

  92. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    They were already going to have a RH OF, they just need to replace Granderson with a lefthanded/switch hitter to platoon with that guy. Zoilo fits.

    Well Rivera/Matt Diaz, while still sucking, was more palatable when they would be replacing one of the LH OFers not that often. If they stay on as the RH OF and you have a Zoilo in the OF, who may have growing pains, you will probably see the Veterans more often, which is not great.

    S’why I’d go with Almonte/Mustelier. Both are young, hit from opposite sides of the plate, both can play LF. Give them a 30-45 game shot.

  93. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Cashman says they have Zoilo projected as an every day outfielder…..well lets see

  94. Against All Odds February 24th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    It was a big deal for Jeter to be injured also. Eric Almonte absolutely got the job done.

    —————————

    Different time on a stacked team.

  95. yankfan1 February 24th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    I think Rivera has already wrapped up a spot on the 25 man. Diaz has a minor league contract, but if Rivera doesnt hes gone. The Yankees now have at least 10 weeks to see what he has… which isnt much, but you never know

  96. yankfan1 February 24th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    * doesnt make the roster

  97. Yankees_Fan February 24th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Start a youngster. Bring up the hope.

  98. Against All Odds February 24th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    granderson breaking his forearm is clearly a problem.the yankees were already thin on offense and they just lost one of their better players. not good.

    ———————————

    Exactly no one is saying the season is over let’s fold the tent and go home but we all know the team isn’t filled with great depth and they need to get lucky avoiding the injury bug this yr.

  99. kd February 24th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    yankees are going to be a second half team this year

  100. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Career ending injury – Buck Martinez

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/I.....#038;rel=0

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Against, you know it was a stacked team because you know the outcome. Let’s give this team a chance to show us exactly who they are. The 2011 Sux were also considered a “stacked team”. And last year’s Yanks were considered the favorite to win it all. That’s why the games are played on the field and not on paper.

    And speaking of “stacked teams” who can forget Murderer’s Row and Cano. How did that work out.

  102. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    @eboland11: Cashman: “it’s baseball. You have to adjust.” said all options as of now are internal

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Someone mentioned the feeling of karma. Hell I don’t know, and I really don’t believe Curtis personally has done anything untoward, but you know the saying that the sins of the father are visited on the sons. I’m wondering if the baseball gods know something that we don’t…

    I’ve already declared that the Sux will never win another WS as long as Big Fatso is on their team because he managed to limbo under the PEDs limbo stick with the help of the player’s union and walked away with his reputation in tact.

    I’m thinking some things that best go unsaid, mainly because they are only thoughts and nothing proven.

  104. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    “Bad luck but not unforeseeable. This is why it is not a good plan to have your 4th OF be Rivera or Diaz, both of whom are ten miles worse than Ibanez.”

    austinmac-

    a major theme of us who are dissatisfied with the yankees construction of this team is that it’s thin everywhere.

    if something goes wrong, they have little to no depth to cover it.

    one injury doesn’t take down a team, but what happens if another one hits? granderson and say teixeira? what then? or granderson and gardner?

    yeah , stuff like this happens to other teams, but the point is normally the yankees are so strong it takes multiple players down for them to drop to the level of an average team.

    if the yankees did not have granderson for the whole year, they clearly would not be a 90 win team.
    having a guy like swisher last year was huge because he covered two spots. this year, someone goes down and it’s a big problem. it would be nice to have swisher right about now.

    but the yankees let him go because of the 189 mantra. ok, hal, but right now you see the problem.
    and it’s only going to get worse as long as the 189 thing dictates the make up of the team.

  105. G. Love February 24th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Horrible news. There’s no way to sugar coat it.

    Curtis is in a contract year and contract year players, with the exception of Russell Munson, put up stellar campaigns. If he’s back in May and he’s physically capable to play and hit, it should be fine.

    If it’s going to take him until late June to get his timing down, it’s another story.

    We’ll dumpster dive the OF and hope to catch lightning in the bottle. No team will do us a favor and trade us anything other than a bad contract or a guy they are waiving.

    We basically have to watch the waiver wire for OF’ers now like we do for C’s.

    It’s just ironic that one of the “younger” guys on the roster is the first real casualty.

    This is why many of us chided the front office for playing cheap and not providing depth.

    But we’re stupid and entitled and spoiled and all the other wonderful things the lithium kids love to throw at us.

    What we are is practical. Good teams have depth. We have none. A platoon of Chris Dickerson and Justin Maxwell would cost peanuts and look pretty good right about now. We had those guys but sacrificed them for the likes of journeymen C’s and Ramiro Pena last year.

    Get Soriano. He played hard as a Yankee and he makes quad A filler like Juan Rivera superflous. Just don’t give Theo any real prospects.

    A Scott Hairston or a Cody Ross signing earlier this off season would’ve looked awful smart right about now, no?

  106. CompassRosy February 24th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    blake says:
    February 24, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    “That’s a cop out. The last time the Yankees developed a front line starter was Andy Pettitte – that’s not bad luck that’s ineptitude either from the development personnel or the scouts who bring these pitchers into the organization.”

    It’s not a cop out….it’s reality….developing pitching is hard and it’s even harder when you draft at the end of the draft every year and have to gamble on upside guys in high school……I’m not saying they don’t need to improve because certainly they do…..but it’s not as easy and you make it sound to develop David Price or Matt Cain or whoever

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    (sorry, for the belated comment – I didn’t want to interrupt the game thread)

    It’s not always about drafting high, for instance…
    ~ the King (Felix) and Diabolical (Pineda) were signed as IFA’s when they were teenagers
    ~ Brandon Maurer was drafted in the 23rd round
    ~ Taijaun Walker was a first-rounder (43rd overall) but, the Yanks passed him and selected instead Cito Culver with the 32nd pick

    P.S. Sorry to hear about Granderson – DL injuries always suck…especially when they occur before the season has even begun :(

  107. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Hey Trish, I like a stacked team complete avec George Bell :) the guy had a temper, but his sincerity was without question, one of the best pure hitters. George Brett got rather hot in the same category,but he was good too. On the whole, I think / feel, Rod Carew is my absolutely favourite. Pete Rose never bet against his team while playing or otherwise ( as far as I know ); he might be small cranium wise, but he sure does have a lot of hits :)

  108. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 24th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    DL injuries always suck…especially when they occur before the season has even begun

    *****

    Yes yes – because it would have been so much better for Granderson to have this injury in April and miss all of April, May and into June – - – -

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    “people who overreact when something bad happens are definitely annoying, but no more annoying than someone who is in denial when something bad happens and acts like it’s no big deal.

    granderson breaking his forearm is clearly a problem.the yankees were already thin on offense and they just lost one of their better players. not good.”

    randy, first of all I’m not saying it’s not a bad thing. I’m saying it will be taken care of because as Cashman said, “it’s baseball. You have to adjust.”

    Secondly, I don’t think of a team that has Jeter, Cano, Youkilis, Granderson, Ichiro, and Tex as thin on offense. Actually the team got faster this season and maybe we’re going to see a lot more small ball. Those teams win championships too.

    So that’s the reason I’m not terribly worried about the Yankees at this point in time.

    I didn’t worry when Mariano went down, and he was out for the season. I’m not worrying about Curtis being out until May. Sure I’d prefer it didn’t happen. But it did. And they’ll adjust.

  110. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    “It’s not always about drafting high, for instance…”

    Of course….but it certainly helps. The Mariners have a unique group there…..but lets not amount any of them yet as Felix is the only one to do anything for more than half a season in the bigs

  111. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 24th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    a major theme of us who are dissatisfied with the yankees construction of this team is that it’s thin everywhere.

    *****

    bull$%^& – the major theme of dissatisfaction is that you claimed you are bored by the team – - – -

  112. Against All Odds February 24th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Against, you know it was a stacked team because you know the outcome.

    And last year’s Yanks were considered the favorite to win it all.

    And speaking of “stacked teams” who can forget Murderer’s Row and Cano. How did that work out.

    ——————————-

    The were a stacked team before the outcome was known. That team had the core 4, Bernie, Giambi, Sori, Matsui, etc. They could withstand an injury

    Picked to win it all by who?

    That team still had players in approaching or close to their prime. The left side of the infield were in their early 30s and when they loss Sheff they traded for Abreu in a salary dump. This team doesn’t have that

  113. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Soriano was basically as good as Granderson last year…..if you get him then he can replace Grandy and then can DH when Grandy gets back as Hafner will probably be hurt by then

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    And I would be happy to have Alfonso Soriano back on this team.

    But I’ll leave the decision-making to the Yankees and feel confident they’ll weather this storm.

  115. austinmac February 24th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Almonte is much better from the left side. He seems a good platoon candidate to me. They simply cannot run Rivera on there on a regular basis. Maybe as a platoon guy. Maybe.

  116. jmills February 24th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Hey, Compass, you deserved to win one. You can have ’92 or ’93, take your pick, mon ami.

  117. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Against, you know it was a stacked team because you know the outcome. Let’s give this team a chance to show us exactly who they are.

    Well the 2003 team had a bunch of very good players coming off very good years. So you could intuit that they would be a very good team. Even with the loss of Derek Jeter, who was coming off a not very good year for himself.

    They had Giambi & Soriano & Posada coming off monster years. Top prospect Nick Johnson. Bernie Williams off a monster year. Matsui as a heralded IFA. And a pitching staff of Pettitte, Wells, clemens, mussina.

    The 2013 club could be better, in the end, than the 03 club, but in terms of using intuition/deductive reasoning I don’t see how you could come about that conclusion without just making up best case outcomes for every player.

    The games are not played on paper, but that doesn’t mean there is no value in prognosticating how strong a team is. Its what the dang GMs do when they are building a team. Why did the Yankees sign CC? Why didn’t they just go into 2009 with Hughes/Kennedy/Joba as starters believing that they could be better than ever?

  118. G. Love February 24th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    blake,

    They have to get Soriano. I think, at this point, it’s non negotiable. He was a very good Yankee, can handle NY and fills major holes on this roster.

    Passing him up for 10 million dollars is the epitome of stupid.

  119. Rich in NJ February 24th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    That sucks.

  120. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    So far 2 of the 3 FAs to be have gotten hurt….. The most important one still healthy and he has to stay that way

  121. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    “Get Soriano”

    g.love

    agree with your post, but if soriano is going to make 18 million in 2014 how can that work with the hal’s 189 obsession?

  122. Rich in NJ February 24th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Ibanez? That’s funny.

  123. G. Love February 24th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Give the Cubs Adam Warren and take on 10 million of the contract and call it a day. I’m sure they want starting pitching in Chicago.

  124. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    “Passing him up for 10 million dollars is the epitome of stupid.”

    I don’t think it’s the 10 million….it’s probably that Theo has already called asking for Mason Williams

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Against – process it the way you must.

    **************

    I believe that Soriano was given the short end of the stick in the way Torre handled him. He insisted on turning a power hitter into a slaps single hitter and the results were disastrous. Maybe this is his time to right the score. Though Cashman has said that it will be dealt with internally. So if a youngster is given a chance, that will make those who want to see the younger players developed, happy.

    You know the old saying. You can’t please everybody!

  126. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    G. Love says:
    February 24, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    Give the Cubs Adam Warren and take on 10 million of the contract and call it a day. I’m sure they want starting pitching in Chicago.

    If that’s the deal then yes they have to do it….but the reports have consistently been that Theo wants a real prospect for Soriano and I doubt this turn of events is going to lower the price

  127. Ghostwriter February 24th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Tough break about Grandy going down… Now, the trade of Abraham Almonte looms large… /jk

    This injury early in the season could be a blessing in disguise. Here’s hoping that Mustelier seizes the opportunity.

  128. Rich in NJ February 24th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    More proof that you can never have enough offense…

  129. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “More proof that you can never have enough offense…”

    :)

  130. Ghostwriter February 24th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Soriano?? Oh please. The best thing Cash ever did was trading that stiff away.

  131. G. Love February 24th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    randy,

    You know and I know Hal’s 189 obsession is going to mushroom into his worst nightmare if he’s not careful. And it can happen quick. Very quick.

    Soriano is a throwback to a classic Cashman trade. A good player with a contract his team doesn’t want and is willing to eat part of.

    They have to try to get it done and not play the “We’re happy with Bubba Crosby” card again. It’s a different time in baseball and this is a different Yankee team that doesn’t spend wildly to fill major holes.

  132. Rich in NJ February 24th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    If Jeter is ok, then Nunez in the OF may make sense.

  133. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    February 24, 2013 at 4:27 pm
    If Jeter is ok, then Nunez in the OF may make sense.

    They could toy with it but Cash has already said no

  134. G. Love February 24th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Rich,

    Nunez in the OF makes a lot of sense if he can play it. I’m still not sure he can & I think before we mix him up we better be darn well sure Jeter has lateral movement at SS in the field.

  135. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    “I believe that Soriano was given the short end of the stick in the way Torre handled him. He insisted on turning a power hitter into a slaps single hitter and the results were disastrous.”

    soriano hit 38 and 39 home runs in his last two years with torre the manager.
    http://www.baseball-reference......al01.shtml

  136. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees are going to make a trade for Soriano or any other regular player. Remember, you’re talking about him being ready 10 weeks from today, not 10 weeks from the start of the season.

    More likely they will look at lesser options, a DeWayne Wise/Chris Dickerson type of guy or they’ll slide Ichiro to LF and put Juan Rivera in RF or (hopefully) they’ll see enough from Melky Mesa or Zoilo Almonte to give one of those guys a chance.

    Of the three options the one I think is most likely is sticking Juan Rivera in the outfield – I’m not saying that’s the most appealing option, just the most likely one.

  137. Ghostwriter February 24th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    G. Love February 24th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Rich,

    Nunez in the OF makes a lot of sense if he can play it. I’m still not sure he can & I think before we mix him up we better be darn well sure Jeter has lateral movement at SS in the field.
    ==========

    I really think that the Yanks need to let Nunez focus on playing short.

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Soriano was ruined by Joe Torre. What he did to that kid was horrendous, Ghost. I think he deserves a chance to be who he was always supposed to be – a power-hitting outfielder. When you mess with a player’s natural position and hitting, you potentially ruin his career. I think Torre ruined many careers, though it was mainly pitching. Ramiro Mendoza was never the same after he was forced to be a starter when he did not want to be.

    You can’t automatically transfer players careers from one team to another. If that were the case, Edgar Rentrerria’s career would have been over after he played for the Sux.

    I always liked Soriano. I thought he got screwed.

  139. CompassRosy February 24th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    blake ~

    of course likely none of them will be Felix … he’s generational.
    My point was that high draft picks are not the only way to load up the pitching pipeline.

    Are the Yanks very active in IFA?

  140. G. Love February 24th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Soriano was very good here. He was just very susceptible to low & away junk like most of last seasons roster.

    Trading him for Arod was a no brainer, but he was still a big loss.

    Mo nails down the save in 2001 and Soriano is the WS hero for hitting the GW HR in game 7.

  141. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    agree with your post, but if soriano is going to make 18 million in 2014 how can that work with the hal’s 189 obsession?

    Soriano’s 189 ‘hit’ is 17 for each year. That is the AAV of his deal. Any cash considerations Chicago throws their way offset that hit. So if Chicago pays 26 of the 36 owed to Soriano, and the Yankees arrange it so the Cubs send 9 in 2013 and 17 in 2014, then Soriano’s 189 hit for 2014 will be 0.

    He could, essentially, be a free player for them in 2014.

  142. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Rich in NJ February 24th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    If Jeter is ok, then Nunez in the OF may make sense.
    ————–

    Except that Nunez has never played the outfield and so he would have to learn on the job. Something he hasn’t been adept at doing as a utility infielder so yes, by all means, let us add more to his plate.

  143. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    “Soriano is a throwback to a classic Cashman trade. A good player with a contract his team doesn’t want and is willing to eat part of.”

    g.love-

    so the cubs may be willing to do a salary dump for soriano?

    if so, i’m all for it. i always liked soriano, and followed him after he left the yankees. i hated seeing him traded for alex.

  144. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    I’m ready to see the Yankees give one of their youngsters a shot.

    Can’t believe Grandy’s luck. That really sucks.

    :(

  145. MTU February 24th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Bring up Heathcott and just tell him to pretend it’s the AFL.

    :)

  146. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “My point was that high draft picks are not the only way to load up the pitching pipeline.”

    No but again it helps…..you took Hultzen #2 overall….so while the Yanks could have a shot at the international guys…. They never get a shot at Danny Hultzen’s and those guys are more predictable as college pitchers

  147. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Ok, the Yankees trade for Soriano, Granderson comes back by Memorial Day, what do you do with Soriano at that point?

    He’s not your everyday DH – that’s Hafner.

    You’re not starting him over Ichiro in RF or Gardner in CF or Granderson in LF…so what is his role for the next 4 months of the season? RH bat off the bench? Yes, I’m certain that Soriano will waive his no trade clause to go to a team where he’ll play once a week.

  148. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Cashman should try to get Soriano if theo will be reasonable because he essentially replaces Granderson short term and makes the team better also after he comes back

  149. Doreen February 24th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    The. Worst. News.

    :(

  150. G. Love February 24th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Hafner’s not an everyday DH, Chip.

    He is putrid vs. Lefites.

    Soriano will get plenty of at bats against LHP and Girardi can spot him to rest Granderson and Ichiro and give everyone at bats.

    Besides, you think Hafner is healthy this whole season? Really?

  151. Ghostwriter February 24th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Soriano was ruined by Joe Torre. What he did to that kid was horrendous, Ghost. I think he deserves a chance to be who he was always supposed to be – a power-hitting outfielder. When you mess with a player’s natural position and hitting, you potentially ruin his career. I think Torre ruined many careers, though it was mainly pitching. Ramiro Mendoza was never the same after he was forced to be a starter when he did not want to be.

    You can’t automatically transfer players careers from one team to another. If that were the case, Edgar Rentrerria’s career would have been over after he played for the Sux.

    I always liked Soriano. I thought he got screwed.
    =========

    Torre didn’t screw up Soriano; he did that all by himself. Soriano only ever cared about hitting home runs to get himself a big contract. Yes, he was an incredibly talented and exciting youngster, but he never really lived up to his ability, imo. I’d rather give one of the youngsters a chance than recycle this retread. We can get by for a few weeks without Grandy.

  152. Chip February 24th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    I am sure that Theo has called the Yankees about Soriano just as I’m sure that DiPoto will call to offer up the services of Vernon Wells. Yankees won’t be interested in either.

  153. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    “Soriano was ruined by Joe Torre. What he did to that kid was horrendous”

    trisha-

    what are you talking about with alphonso soriano being ruined by torre?

    he had some of his best years under torre.

  154. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “Ok, the Yankees trade for Soriano, Granderson comes back by Memorial Day, what do you do with Soriano at that point?”

    Play him vs LHP or as an every day DH if Hafner is hurt…..he gives quality depth at 3 positions really

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “soriano hit 38 and 39 home runs in his last two years with torre the manager.”

    Imagine what he could have hit then if Torre didn’t force him to lead off. You talk about absolutely atrocious managing of a player. And Soriano didn’t want to lead off. But it didn’t matter. Unbelievable.

  156. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    “Soriano’s 189 ‘hit’ is 17 for each year. That is the AAV of his deal. Any cash considerations Chicago throws their way offset that hit. So if Chicago pays 26 of the 36 owed to Soriano, and the Yankees arrange it so the Cubs send 9 in 2013 and 17 in 2014, then Soriano’s 189 hit for 2014 will be 0.

    He could, essentially, be a free player for them in 2014.”

    jerkface-

    i don’t understand what you’re saying. can you explain it another way. how is he free as far as the 189 thing?

  157. Ghostwriter February 24th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “soriano hit 38 and 39 home runs in his last two years with torre the manager.”

    Imagine what he could have hit then if Torre didn’t force him to lead off. You talk about absolutely atrocious managing of a player. And Soriano didn’t want to lead off. But it didn’t matter. Unbelievable.
    =========

    I fail to see how having Soriano hit lead off ruined his carerr. Soriano didn’t want to lead off (or play in the outfield) because he was a selfish player.

  158. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 24th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    This is a disaster pretty much.

    ****

    This post MUST be archived and remembered – this is a guarantee that the season is over – which is what a disaster would be at this point – it needs to be archived for if the Yankees do win this year – the repercussions will need to be made for a huge calling out (not a Corey Black will hardly pitch) – for if the Yanks are in good shape heading into the All-Star break or at any point this season – this post must be brought back for forefront and chastised – - – - -

    BTW – like this tweet from Sherman:

    Joelsherman1 #Cubs people do not anticipate #Yankees going after Soriano because Granderson likely to miss month of reg season or less

    This is Stoneburner, reporting from Ceti Alpha V, with the wax poetic minute and not calling things a disaster this early in the preseason – - – -

  159. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    “Imagine what he could have hit then if Torre didn’t force him to lead off. You talk about absolutely atrocious managing of a player. And Soriano didn’t want to lead off. But it didn’t matter. Unbelievable.”

    trisha,

    i think all the energy going into extreme pollyanna mode with granderson is sapping your baseball common sense. soriano had great years under torre

  160. 4 NYY February 24th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Instead of any more dumpster diving, lets dig in our “farm” and pull out a possible plum for a try. ( Almonte-Musty-Mesa )

    As I said earlier, we have enough experience on this team.

  161. Ghostwriter February 24th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Stoneburner – The Return of Wax February 24th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    =========

    Why do you insist on personalizing everything? You don’t like him. We get it. Give it a rest, already.

  162. joeman February 24th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    would really like to see them call the Twins about Ryan Doumit….OF/1st base & catcher

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    I guess you don’t remember Soriano being upset about leading off.

    I’ll say it again. His potential was totally undercut when he was forced to lead off. You have no idea what he might have done if he were allowed to be in the spot in the lineup where any rational manager would have used him.

  164. Ghostwriter February 24th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    joeman February 24th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    would really like to see them call the Twins about Ryan Doumit….OF/1st base & catcher
    —————

    That is an intriguing idea.

  165. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    “Play him vs LHP or as an every day DH if Hafner is hurt…..he gives quality depth at 3 positions really”

    blake-

    you might be convincing me. keep talking.

    did you understand what jerkface was saying about not having soriano impact the yankees in 2014 as far as salary and the 189 goal?

  166. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    “did you understand what jerkface was saying about not having soriano impact the yankees in 2014 as far as salary and the 189 goal?”

    Yes…they would just have to structure it that way I think….the Cubs would have to agree to paying it that way though I guess

  167. Ghostwriter February 24th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    I guess you don’t remember Soriano being upset about leading off.

    I’ll say it again. His potential was totally undercut when he was forced to lead off. You have no idea what he might have done if he were allowed to be in the spot in the lineup where any rational manager would have used him.
    ———–

    You can assert it as many times as you like. But it doesn’t bake it so.

    Soriano didn’t want to lead off, because he didn’t want to take pitches–he wanted to swing for the fences, because he thought that the money was hitting home runs. He also did this in the postseason, swinging and missing at balls 8 inches off the plate.

  168. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    “His potential was totally undercut when he was forced to lead off. You have no idea what he might have done if he were allowed to be in the spot in the lineup where any rational manager would have used him.”

    trisha-

    you are going off on an imagined tangent that has nothing to do with anything.

    the point is granderson is out for maybe 6 weeks of the season and soriano may be a possible replacement.

  169. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Perhaps the Yanks could offer to take more of the money if it were structured so that it didnt affect 2014 ad so that they wouldn’t have to give a good prospect…..

  170. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    “Yes…they would just have to structure it that way I think….the Cubs would have to agree to paying it that way though I guess”

    blake-

    if the yankees pay 10 million of his contact in 2014, how does that 10 million not count ?

    that’s what i don’t get.

  171. blake February 24th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    “if the yankees pay 10 million of his contact in 2014, how does that 10 million not count ?”

    What JF is saying I think is if the Yanks picked up 10 million total for the 2 years…..and did it so that the Yankees paid their entire 10 million in 2013 and 0 in 2014 then it wouldn’t count towards their tax.

    His example was the Cubs pay 26 million of the remaining 36….and pay 9 this year and 17 next year…..I don’t know that they would agree to that

  172. randy l. February 24th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    blake and jerkface-

    ok, i see it now. braincramp.

    but why would the cubs pay 26 million on what’s left?

    that seems like way too much.

  173. blake February 24th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    I think maybe the yanks would have to pick up more money to get them to agree to that arrangement…..maybe if they took 15 million and had the Cubs pay 4 million in 2013 and 17 in 2014 then they’d agree to it….

  174. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I think maybe the yanks would have to pick up more money to get them to agree to that arrangement…..maybe if they took 15 million and had the Cubs pay 4 million in 2013 and 17 in 2014 then they’d agree to it….

    Randy, 26 is what the media is saying they will pay.

    Blake, why? Back loading the payments is preferable for anyone, time value of money and all that.

  175. blake February 24th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “but why would the cubs pay 26 million on what’s left?”

    They’ll have to eat a lot of it to trade him….Soriano woukd be useful but he’s way over paid…..if they could arrange it so that 2014 isn’t affected then the Yanks should be willing to kick in more this year to avoid that and to keep the prospect price down……

    Id do like Warren + 15 million if it meant they had him for free next year…..

  176. blake February 24th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    “Blake, why? Back loading the payments is preferable for anyone, time value of money and all that.”

    I guess….maybe they would….Id just think they would prefer to split it up but maybe they wouldn’t care. The biggest obstacle would probably be getting him to except the right prospect

  177. blake February 24th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    They say they’ll pay 26 but that they want real prospects…don’t know what level they mean

  178. joeman February 24th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Twins could use a SP, Ryan Doumit would be a good fit

  179. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I guess….maybe they would….Id just think they would prefer to split it up but maybe they wouldn’t care. The biggest obstacle would probably be getting him to except the right prospect

    Why would they prefer to split it up? They are no where near any luxury tax limits and the money could be doing something for them for the year+ until they have to pay it.

  180. blake February 24th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    “Why would they prefer to split it up? They are no where near any luxury tax limits and the money could be doing something for them for the year+ until they have to pay it.”

    Maybe so….I’m sure they do have payroll numbers in mind though per year

  181. Jerkface February 24th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Maybe so….I’m sure they do have payroll numbers in mind though per year

    Sure but Soriano is a sunk cost and the savings from 2013 will still be there in 2014 and more importantly the extra money can be invested.

    I don’t think there is any basis in thinking a team who is trying to salary dump a player prefers an even split of the money.

  182. yankeehotelfoxtrot February 24th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    I find it annoying when Ichiro is referred to as “Suzuki.” Anyone with common knowledge of Japanese culture knows that he’s known as simply “Ichiro.” Basically the whole YES staff – Curry, Bob Lorenz, Flash and Kenny do it often, as does Little Mikey Kay (who also calls Hughes “Use”). And that’s what really grinds my gears. I would love to know if Ichiro, who’s very quirky, is bothered by this.


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