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Monday postgame notes: Diaz comes into focus this spring

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Until this afternoon, most of my clubhouse conversations with Matt Diaz were about his son’s tee-ball team. Diaz is the coach, and he seems to like the team’s chances. Says there are some kids who can really throw. The story of Diaz as a player was one that could wait for another day, probably a day late in spring training when the competition for the Yankees bench was really coming into focus.

But all of that changed on Sunday.

“One of the reasons they bring guys like me into a camp like this is to add depth with the understanding that over the course of a long spring — especially this spring — and a long season, you’re going to need depth,” Diaz said.

The Yankees need depth now. They need someone to fill a hole in left field while Curtis Granderson recovers from a broken forearm. The young guys will get a look — “I think there’s a chance that a less-experienced player could show a lot of upside and we’ll like what we see,” Joe Girardi said — but the most established options are Diaz and Juan Rivera.

For the most part, Rivera’s story speaks for itself. He came up with the Yankees, had his best years as a legitimate power hitter with the Angels, and now he’s trying to prove himself all over again. For Diaz, the story comes with a rather unusual twist: He had offseason surgery to remove shards of a palm leaf that have been stuck in his thumb for more than six years.

“It was actually splinters (of) palm fronds,” Diaz said. “I now hire a lawn man and I wear Kevlar (or) leather gloves when I go outside. I have to be outside, I live in Florida and I love doing yard work and stuff, but I got stabbed with the palm frond in ’06. We tested it, the first time I had it dug out was the end of the season in ’09. There was an infection, my hand was swelling, and 2010 was the first time they cut me open in the operating room to get out a centimeter-long piece of it. And last year, again a puss comes from the inside out — it’s pretty awesomely disgusting when I’d get jammed by a pitch — sure enough I went for an MRI and there’s two more little pieces in a V in the nerve.”

So that’s the story of Matt Diaz: Stabbed by a leaf, finally feels healthy again, and suddenly competing for a job as the Yankees (temporary) starting left fielder.

• Johnny Damon said in a radio interview that he’s interested in filling the Yankees hole in left field, but the Yankees don’t seem interested.

• Melky Mesa said he’s still planning to play in the World Baseball Classic despite the opportunity to win a big league job this spring. “If they need me here, if something happens, the Yankees will say yes or no,” Mesa said.

• Girardi said he doesn’t plan on telling Mesa to skip out on the WBC. The Yankees already know Mesa is going to be playing quite a bit for Team Dominican Republic. That team’s manager is Yankees bench coach Tony Pena, who can evaluate Mesa first-hand. “(Mesa) is going to play against left handers there,” Girardi said. “It’s not something I can’t watch on TV or that sort of thing.”

• Both Girardi and Brian Cashman have shot down the idea of using Eduardo Nunez in left field.

• Dan Johnson has played a little bit of left field in his career. “We were going to give him a look at third and first,” Girardi said. “Do you expand roles? I don’t know.”

• If you were wondering, Girardi said he doesn’t think Granderson will have surgery to repair the broken bone.

• Not a bad debut for Vidal Nuno. Granted, he gave up a run and two doubles, but he also struck out five of the nine batters he faced. Makes you think his blend of offspeed pitches might be enough to get big league hitters out; at least makes him worth keeping an eye on this season in Triple-A.

• How’s Brett Gardner feeling in center field? “I feel good,” he said. “I had a little bit of running today, balls in the gap. On one I was running into a pretty stiff wind, didn’t feel like I was going anywhere, but I feel good out there.”

• Although his numbers haven’t been good, Diaz said he’s generally pleased with his at-bats so far this spring. “What I can control is how hard I work and the approach I’m taking at the plate,” Diaz said. “I’m happy with both of them right now. I’m not overly happy with Buck Showalter giving the Orioles off infield practice tomorrow just because I hit so many ground balls today. There will be adjustments made in my swing. That’s all I can control.”

• Today’s final score was 5-1 Orioles. The Yankees didn’t get on the board until there were two outs in the ninth. That’s when Corban Joseph drew a walk, stole second base and scored on Walter Ibarra’s single.

• Gardner and Jayson Nix combined for five of the Yankees eight hits. The other three came from Ibarra, Gil Velazquez and Greg Bird. … Johnson made a fielding error at third base. … Shane Greene, Kelvin Perez and Josh Spence each threw a scoreless innings. Ryan Pope, Bryan Mitchell and Nuno allowed a run apiece, and Corey Black allowed two runs. Black walked two guys and let them score on a Nate McLouth double.

• Both Chris Dickerson and Russ Canzler had hits for the Orioles. As it turns out, one of those two might have had a chance for some regular playing time had they stayed on the Yankees roster.

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398 Responses to “Monday postgame notes: Diaz comes into focus this spring”

  1. Mike_Boston February 25th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Why do so many people have to hate on Gardy? It’s like a hobby in here. The guy will be one of the best CF in the majors defensively and is a solid contact guy not to mention in top 3 in terms of speed. He’s also one of the better 2k hitters on the team.
    What else do you want from the guy?

  2. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Yeah, I don’t get the negativity either. Gardner is one of the few players on this roster who are at least somewhat young and have upside potential.

  3. theREALkevin February 25th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Just ignore it, he’s a good player and like literally every team in the majors would take him in heartbeat.

  4. Triple Short of a Cycle February 25th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    The same people who mock Gardner are the same people who mock the people on here who were upset about the Montero deal

  5. RadioKev February 25th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle February 25th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
    The same people who mock Gardner are the same people who mock the people on here who were upset about the Montero deal
    ——–

    O rly?

  6. blake February 25th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    If Gardner plays 150 games I think he will hit .275, .355 OBP and steal 40 bags with plus defense….,that’s a pretty darn valuable player …..but he’s gotta stay on the field

  7. austinmac February 25th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Heathcott looked like he has Gardner speed almost beating out a routine ground ball.

  8. blake February 25th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    austinmac says:
    February 25, 2013 at 7:59 pm
    Heathcott looked like he has Gardner speed almost beating out a routine ground ball.

    Looks close….he’s thicker though and has more power potential. Gardner with more power would probably be a 5 WAR player and all star

  9. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Both play all-out all the time, which has its costs.

  10. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    I think the “Gardner hate” comes from the typical things that happen:

    Some fans never liking him
    Some fans don’t believe he fits the profile of a Yankee
    Some fans believe he’s overrated

  11. Tar February 25th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    I think GGBG is going to have a break out year.

    Pitch him outside and he’s going to slap the ball through the “5.5 hole”. Pitch him inside and he’s going to surprise some people with a lot more power this year. He always had a great eye, so he will maintain a very good OBP. I also think his bunting and running are going to be a whole lot better this year. He’s going to take the lead-off spot ( at least vs RH) and not look back. Yeah for some crazy reason I am very optimistic on Gardner’s year. Hope I’m right.

    As for the hate, there was a big push to have him hit lead-off . He had all the tools but.. at least IMO he wasn’t ready. And that never really worked out.There may be some residual feelings based on that.

  12. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Yeah, I don’t get the negativity either. Gardner is one of the few players on this roster who are at least somewhat young and have upside potential.
    —————

    Gardner’s a solid role player. What he is not is some young kid ready to break out. He turns 30 this season. He has a very specific skill set and those aspects of his game will help the team. But he’s not going to come in this season and hit .320 with a .385 OBP over 159 games with 80 stolen bases. It’s silly to pretend otherwise.

    He will, if healthy, hit about .280; get on base about 35% of the time and play solid defense…there’s nothing wrong with that…it’s a good thing. But stop looking for him to “blossom.”

  13. RadioKev February 25th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    “Some fans don’t believe he fits the profile of a Yankee”
    ———

    Personally, I think this it. He’s not a superstar so he’s not a Yankee.

  14. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    RadioKev February 25th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    “Some fans don’t believe he fits the profile of a Yankee”
    ———

    Personally, I think this it. He’s not a superstar so he’s not a Yankee.
    —————

    I think that’s a cop out. I don’t think people hate Gardner. In my case I’m just sick and tired of people making him out to be something he’s not. What’s wrong with what Gardner has done and been asked to do to this point? Nothing.

    Where I get annoyed are at the fans who are trying to project Gardner into being a superstar simply because he’s a home grown Yankee. Same thing happens with Melky and Hughes.

  15. RadioKev February 25th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    I’ve seen plenty of people try to argue that Gardner isn’t even a starting outfielder. He isn’t a superstar, but he’s more than a bench player.

    It might not be hate, but there are many who under appreciate him. Then again, people hated and booed Swisher, so who knows?

  16. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Well, for myself there are only two Yankees who I can’t stand – Granderson and Joba. One because his offensive game is highly limited and only helps the Yankees when he hits a homerun and the other because he’s an idiot.

  17. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Gardner is a very good ball player, the type every winning team needs. Could he be better? Yeah, I suppose so, but I’m delighted to have him. Just stay healthy, Brett.

  18. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Joba is not an idiot. He’s a wild kid but I wouldn’t classify him as an idiot

  19. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    tomingeorgia February 25th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Gardner is a very good ball player, the type every winning team needs. Could he be better? Yeah, I suppose so, but I’m delighted to have him. Just stay healthy, Brett.
    —————–

    I agree with this. He’s not going to be one of the most valuable players on the team though as some are suggesting. And if he is, then clearly the season has fallen off the tracks.

  20. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Joba is not an idiot. He’s a wild kid but I wouldn’t classify him as an idiot
    ———————–

    He nearly lost his career (and life) screwing around last spring, so what’s the first thing he does when he gets to Tampa this year? Hops in a laundry cart and asks Boone Logan to push him around the clubhouse.

    That strikes me as the actions of an idiot.

  21. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    It strikes me as a kid that doesn’t get it and probably never will but again not an idiot.

    The thing last spring was a lil overblown though. Initial reports made it seem like he was going to be in a body bag before the day ended.

  22. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    It strikes me as a kid that doesn’t get it and probably never will but again not an idiot.
    ————————–
    Ok, well we’ll have to leave this as a “you say tomato I say tomato” deal.

  23. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    No problem

  24. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    If I were ever to have been graced with enough talent to even get near a major league training camp, I mean throwing 96 for strikes or turning DPs from shallow center, I might be judgmental on what kids do with these gifts. I wasn’t, therefore I’m not I want all of them to succeed, as long as they’re Yankees, with us or as trades.

  25. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    “There is so much angst for a team that has provided so much joy over nearly the past two decades – to just trash it during a transition phase is just not right – it is a privelege to root for the Yankees – not a right as some around here believe”

    The alpha and the omega.

    Imagine trashing the team you purport to care about? Pretty wild. That said, I don’t know exactly who the trashers are, but I agree with your premise Stoneburner. And I know that our good friend GB7 would feel the same way.

    *************

    So we have two OF who are clearly lead-off material. Based on that, I could see either in the one or the nine hole. I am imagining that Jeter is going to be in the two hole.

    Gardner/Ichiro
    Jeter
    Tex
    Robby/Youkilis
    Youkilis/Robby
    Grandy (when he returns)
    Haffner
    C
    Ichirco/Gardner

  26. David in Cal February 25th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    For 2010 and 2011 combined, Gardner had the second most WARs on the Yankees. Only Cano had more. Based on WAR, Gardner was more valuable than Granderson, Jeter, Teix, ARod, or Martin. I think he’s a favorite to have the 2nd most WARs in 2013.

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    I think this lineup is going to be a blast to watch, because we are going to have a combination plate of offense! We have power hitters and we also have table setters. And speed. And bunting capability. YAY!!!!!

    :)

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    David, I’m jazzed to have Gardner back! I think he’s going to provide a spark for the team.

    :)

  29. Tar February 25th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    “David, I’m jazzed to have Gardner back! I think he’s going to provide a spark for the team.”

    Careful Trish, you might get a Chip lecture thinking like that.

  30. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Ppl aren’t trashing the team they are trashing the front office.

  31. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    “Gardner’s a solid role player. ”

    On at team with very, very few in their prime stars, he has a very important role, and he has some upside potential. I wish they had more of that.

  32. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 25th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    Ppl aren’t trashing the team they are trashing the front office.

    ***

    Both are intrinsically intertwined – for you cannot have one without the other – and both ultimately are the Yankees – the pinstripes – and like a marriage – you are either with them in good times and in bad – or you hit the road – - – -

  33. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    “Ppl aren’t trashing the team they are trashing the front office.”

    They’ve really trashed themselves. Given the payroll (even if it’s cut) and being on notice for several years (if not longer) that the core was aging and/or declining, to be in this position is kind of hard to fathom.

  34. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    “– you are either with them in good times and in bad – or you hit the road – ”

    BS.

    It reminds me of this quote, only the first part of which is repeated (usually by sycophants like yourself).

    “My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”

  35. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Stoneburner – The Return of Wax February 25th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
    Ppl aren’t trashing the team they are trashing the front office.

    ***

    Both are intrinsically intertwined – for you cannot have one without the other – and both ultimately are the Yankees – the pinstripes – and like a marriage – you are either with them in good times and in bad – or you hit the road – – – -

    ———————

    Fans can be with the team but against the FO. When news broke that Art Modell was planning on moving the Browns to Baltimore the fans still went and supported the team but were strongly against Modell for going through with his plan.

  36. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    “Gardner’s a solid role player. ”

    On at team with very, very few in their prime stars, he has a very important role, and he has some upside potential. I wish they had more of that.
    —————-

    No, see you’re so close but just not there. At 30 he doesn’t have upside potential. He is what he is. His role in the lineup is just as important as any other player and his role in the field is only more important by virtue of the fact that CF is a prime spot in the field.

  37. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
    “Ppl aren’t trashing the team they are trashing the front office.”

    They’ve really trashed themselves. Given the payroll (even if it’s cut) and being on notice for several years (if not longer) that the core was aging and/or declining, to be in this position is kind of hard to fathom.

    ————————

    They were set up so well in 09 it’s kind of crazy to realize they are at this point.

  38. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Gardner’s a solid role player. What he is not is some young kid ready to break out. He turns 30 this season. He has a very specific skill set and those aspects of his game will help the team. But he’s not going to come in this season and hit .320 with a .385 OBP over 159 games with 80 stolen bases. It’s silly to pretend otherwise.

    He will, if healthy, hit about .280; get on base about 35% of the time and play solid defense…there’s nothing wrong with that…it’s a good thing. But stop looking for him to “blossom.”

    He could hit .300/.380/.410. Which is what he did for most of 2010 and at the start of 2012. And if he hit .280 he’d get on base more than .350. He gets on base .345 hitting .269. You give him 11 points and he is nearer .360 than .350. And if he gets on base .345-.350 he will be near the top of the team in that category. That makes him one of the most valuable players on the team. He scores runs like crazy when he is on base. He is very important this year.

    This is his age 29 baseball season. He is in his prime.

  39. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    “No, see you’re so close but just not there. At 30 he doesn’t have upside potential. He is what he is. His role in the lineup is just as important as any other player and his role in the field is only more important by virtue of the fact that CF is a prime spot in the field.”

    I’ll say this for you, Chip. You are convinced of your opinions.

  40. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    He is what he is.

    Which is a baseball player any team in baseball would want who is very valuable. You seem to be missing that point. And this is his age 29 year by baseball standards, stop calling him 30 years old.

  41. Nilsson February 25th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Yanks have made the playoffs 17 out of last 18 seasons. Think, what other sports team has accomplished that sort of feat. As a Knicks and Jets fans, I’m lucky I follow the Yankees.

    Some of you lose sight of the big picture. Success has really spoiled you. It’s no wonder other fans hate the Yankee fanbase.

  42. Tar February 25th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    “I’ll say this for you, Chip. You are convinced of your opinions.”

    Oh crap they are opinions? And here I thought they were edicts, silly me.

  43. RMS February 25th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    I’ve seen plenty of people try to argue that Gardner isn’t even a starting outfielder

    ————————————————————————————-
    Yankees felt Melky was a 4th outfielder and Gardner was a starter. That’s why they kept Gardner and dumped Melky.

  44. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    If anything, this year has the potential to be worse for Gardner than anyone else in the lineup.

    In his previous seasons with the Yankees Gardner was an afterthought for opposing pitchers. A guy who was going to see nothing but strikes because he was the layup in the lineup. Now that the lineup is a little lighter pitchers can take some more liberties with Gardner. He’ll have to adjust to that.

  45. blake February 25th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    It’s all about staying on the field for Gardy….. He plays 150 games then he will be worth 4 or 5 wins most likely.

  46. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    He is what he is.

    Which is a baseball player any team in baseball would want who is very valuable.
    —————

    I’ve never said he isn’t. I’m just tired of the fallacy that he’s going to turn into some star.

  47. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    “Yanks have made the playoffs 17 out of last 18 seasons. Think, what other sports team has accomplished that sort of feat. As a Knicks and Jets fans, I’m lucky I follow the Yankees.”

    There is a salary cap in the NBA and the NFL, and they haven’t had a mL system.

    So it’s not an apt comparison.

  48. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    “No, see you’re so close but just not there. At 30 he doesn’t have upside potential. He is what he is. His role in the lineup is just as important as any other player and his role in the field is only more important by virtue of the fact that CF is a prime spot in the field.”

    I’ll say this for you, Chip. You are convinced of your opinions.
    —————–

    As you are of yours.

  49. tomingeorgia February 25th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    In this Lohud group, I know there are some very accomplished individuals, in all walks of life, as well as some who haven’t accomplished anything of note yet, though they might (there may be some “upside”), but I have the had the privilege of watching a team achieve an unparalleled level of success for a whole lot of years.

    There have been some very low moments, too, but this team, and even its present management, have been providing the goods for twenty years, and will do it again this year. Bash the Steinbrenners and Cashman all you want. I want to see ballgames. We’ll see how it all comes out.

  50. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I’ve never said he isn’t. I’m just tired of the fallacy that he’s going to turn into some star.

    Where is this fallacy being presented, I wonder? Because it seems you’re railing against a strawman here.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    “Yanks have made the playoffs 17 out of last 18 seasons. Think, what other sports team has accomplished that sort of feat. As a Knicks and Jets fans, I’m lucky I follow the Yankees.

    Some of you lose sight of the big picture. Success has really spoiled you. It’s no wonder other fans hate the Yankee fanbase.”

    I’m with you every step of the way, Nilsson. The most pure kind of love is unconditional love. Love with a whole lot of conditions isn’t really love, is it? It’s more like self-aggrandisement.

    :)

  52. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Some of you lose sight of the big picture. Success has really spoiled you. It’s no wonder other fans hate the Yankee fanbase.

    ——————————-

    It’s not about being spoiled it’s realizing the team is in for s rough patch and the FO believes it will be smooth sailings ahead. The team has always relied on money even during the days of Ruth but now they are limiting their spending power. I asked this on RAB in one of their articles. Name of the advantages the Yankees have outside of money. They aren’t the smartest organization and they don’t produce prospects at a high clip. So is they aren’t big spenders then what do they do best???

  53. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    “Yanks have made the playoffs 17 out of last 18 seasons. Think, what other sports team has accomplished that sort of feat. As a Knicks and Jets fans, I’m lucky I follow the Yankees.”

    There is a salary cap in the NBA and the NFL, and they haven’t had a mL system.

    So it’s not an apt comparison.
    ————-

    Ok, so what other baseball team has done it?

    There are only two GMs in the game today that have multiple titles to their credit. Brian Sabean and Brian Cashman.

    Which isn’t to say that everything is hunky dory.

    The Yankees spent money this offseason and are called cheap.

    They let go of two of arguably the worst offensive performers in their lineup and are criticized for it.

    They let go of a guy who failed time and again in the post season.

    They were criticized last year for hitting too many homeruns; and now they are being criticized for not having a lineup that’s going to hit as many homeruns.

    Fans say they want to see the Yankees get away from the “superstar at every position” excess of the late 90s…they are and are being blasted as cheap.

  54. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Who doesn’t love the Yankees here? Unconditional love is unhealthy (for the one providing it).

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Wasn’t Gardner leading the league in assists or something the season before last? I remember him being right up there in one of the important stats and hearing his name continually on Sports Center.

  56. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    He is what he is.

    Which is a baseball player any team in baseball would want who is very valuable.
    —————

    I’ve never said he isn’t. I’m just tired of the fallacy that he’s going to turn into some star.

    —————-

    Oh yea he’s never going to be a star that’s not his ceiling.

  57. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I’ve never said he isn’t. I’m just tired of the fallacy that he’s going to turn into some star.

    Where is this fallacy being presented, I wonder? Because it seems you’re railing against a strawman here.
    ———————

    There are numerous posts by Rich and others alluding to the fact that Gardner’s going to be one of the keys to this season both in the field (which may be true) and in the lineup (which is absolute garbage).

  58. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    “It’s not about being spoiled.”

    The spoiled canard is so goofy, and frankly, disingenuous.

    Many of us are more than willing to watch a losing team for a few years if it means reloading the right way, with great to very good young talent being given the patience to development, and ownership refraining from handing out contracts that will likely bite them in the butt in the out years.

    The spoiled fans are the ones who won’t tolerate this process.

  59. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    “There are numerous posts by Rich and others alluding to the fact that Gardner’s going to be one of the keys to this season both in the field (which may be true) and in the lineup (which is absolute garbage).”

    What’s garbage, Chip, is that tI called him a start. Only you have done that.

  60. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Edit: What’s garbage, Chip, is that I called him a star. Only you have done that.

    Leave a comment below

  61. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Heh.

  62. blake February 25th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    “There are numerous posts by Rich and others alluding to the fact that Gardner’s going to be one of the keys to this season both in the field (which may be true) and in the lineup (which is absolute garbage).”

    How is that garbage? He’s pretty important IMO….if they aren’t gonna hit homers then him getting on base and scoring runs with his legs is going to be pretty important

  63. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    There are numerous posts by Rich and others alluding to the fact that Gardner’s going to be one of the keys to this season both in the field (which may be true) and in the lineup (which is absolute garbage).

    Uh he is a huge key to the lineup, being that he would be one of the top on basers on this team and the best guy to score runs at a great clip. Why does that = star? He doesn’t have to be a star to be very important. It seems like you’re winding yourself up with a bunch of stuff you’re making up while also being incredibly incorrect about Gardner’s impact.

    Of course gardner is a key in the field, he is a consensus elite defender by any baseball publication and was robbed of a GG in 2011.

    And yea duh he is going to be a key to the lineup. They lost a ton of power and Gardner is their fastest player who has the potential to be the #1 or #2 guy on the team in getting on base. Also happens to be one of the youngest players on the team!

  64. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    He is what he is.

    Which is a baseball player any team in baseball would want who is very valuable.
    —————

    I’ve never said he isn’t. I’m just tired of the fallacy that he’s going to turn into some star.

    —————-

    Oh yea he’s never going to be a star that’s not his ceiling.
    —————-

    Right. I think we’re seeing the best Brett Gardner that there is. A guy who is going to hit around .260 with an OBP in the area of .340 – .350; solid defense, steal 40 bases. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    I just think that getting back to a winning situation will rejuvenate guys like Ichiro and Youk and that a healthy Travis Hafner will be a monster in this lineup.

  65. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    The Yankees spent money this offseason and are called cheap.

    They let go of two of arguably the worst offensive performers in their lineup and are criticized for it.

    ———————————

    They Yankess were called out this season because Hal tried to pull the wool over the fans eyes. “We signed 3 of the 4 big name free agents this off season”

    They were criticized because ppl were under the impression their replacements would be upgrades. If they let Martin go but brought in AJ would they have received heat for it? No of course no. Right now of starting catchers are two career back-ups

  66. RMS February 25th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    I’d like to see Gardner hit .275 with 40-45 steals.

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    tom, amen!

    Unconditional love unhealthy? It’s the healthiest of all because it means that you’re self actualized and giving it straight from the heart. It means that you are secure enough in yourself that you can give all that you have and still walk upright no matter what happens!

    The best thing about unconditional love is that it’s circular in that the giver gets back just from the act of giving it.

    I don’t know who here doesn’t love the Yankees. I don’t believe that everyone here loves them without conditions or strings attached, but maybe I’m wrong.

  68. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Edit: What’s garbage, Chip, is that I called him a star. Only you have done that.

    —————

    Well Rich if I have misinterpreted your comments then for that I apologize.

    It doesn’t however, change my opinion of Brett Gardner’s relative importance or value to the Yankees.

  69. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Right. I think we’re seeing the best Brett Gardner that there is.

    ————————–

    Ummm it’s hard to say. Has he peaked in terms of his physical ability? We all know some guys peak at different ages than others no matter how old they are.

  70. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Unconditional love unhealthy? It’s the healthiest of all because it means that you’re self actualized and giving it straight from the heart. It means that you are secure enough in yourself that you can give all that you have and still walk upright no matter what happens!

    The best thing about unconditional love is that it’s circular in that the giver gets back just from the act of giving it.

    I don’t know who here doesn’t love the Yankees. I don’t believe that everyone here loves them without conditions or strings attached, but maybe I’m wrong.

    “In ethology, or the study of animal behavior, unconditional love would refer to altruism which in turn refers to the behavior by individuals that increases the fitness of another while decreasing the fitness of the individual committing the act.” And anyone here may have unconditional love for THE YANKEES that does not mean they have to love every player or front office person or owner of the Yankees. And I’m asking you, if a member of your family is a drug addict, you would love them unconditionally? You wouldn’t try to get them help? You wouldn’t worry for their health? You’d just plug along trying to find a silver lining (Oh hey we’d have tons of needles we could recycle!)?

  71. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Right. I think we’re seeing the best Brett Gardner that there is.

    Cool he had an .800 OPS in 2012. I’ll take that next year no problem.

  72. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    “Well Rich if I have misinterpreted your comments then for that I apologize.”

    OK, no problem.

    “It doesn’t however, change my opinion of Brett Gardner’s relative importance or value to the Yankees.”

    Based on what you posted earlier, I think you have more faith in some of the aging players on the Yankees, like Youkilis, Hafter, and Ichiro than Gardner.

    I don’t think that’s right, but we’ll see.

  73. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Right. I think we’re seeing the best Brett Gardner that there is.

    ————————–

    Ummm it’s hard to say. Has he peaked in terms of his physical ability? We all know some guys peak at different ages than others no matter how old they are.
    ————–

    His best attribute is his speed – that’s not generally one that improves with age. I’m not sure what other physical tools he would be developing at this stage that would improve his game.

  74. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Right. I think we’re seeing the best Brett Gardner that there is.

    Cool he had an .800 OPS in 2012. I’ll take that next year no problem.
    ————-

    Um…wow…way to rely on a small sample size there.

    He also had 10 hits in 2012….so there’s that.

  75. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Based on what you posted earlier, I think you have more faith in some of the aging players on the Yankees, like Youkilis, Hafter, and Ichiro than Gardner.

    I don’t think that’s right, but we’ll see.
    ——————–

    I have faith in Gardner doing what Gardner has done rather than improving his game.

    I have faith in the three veteran additions playing better for the Yankees than they did in the uninspiring situations that they were playing in recently.

  76. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Um…wow…way to rely on a small sample size there.

    He also had 10 hits in 2012….so there’s that.

    True but he had NEAR it in 2010. You’re basing this .260/.345 on Gardner’s 2011. A season where he was recovering from wrist surgery, which saps hitting. From May 1st on he hit .270 .356 .365 .721.

  77. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
    “It’s not about being spoiled.”

    The spoiled canard is so goofy, and frankly, disingenuous.

    Many of us are more than willing to watch a losing team for a few years if it means reloading the right way, with great to very good young talent being given the patience to development, and ownership refraining from handing out contracts that will likely bite them in the butt in the out years.

    The spoiled fans are the ones who won’t tolerate this process.

    ————————-

    Some ppl are mixing up the different groups. There are fans that want young players mixed in with vets and smart moves and wouldn’t minding rebuilding but there are other fans that won’t even tolerate a kid on the end of the bench getting a few at bats every couple of games.

  78. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Gardner’s career obp isn’t even .345 and that includes his atrocious rookie season. Its .355! That is better than Granderson, Teixeira, Ichiro, Our catchers, Youkilis, Hafner.

    It would likely be the 2nd or 3rd best OBP on the team next year!

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    I would absolutely love them unconditionally. Loving unconditionally has nothing to do with not attempting to help someone who needs help. That probably is part of the definition of loving unconditionally. Unconditional love deals more with the ability to love without conditions attached. It’s not something for the faint of heart, needy, or insecure, I grant you that.

    It’s actually an extension of the golden rule – do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Love your neighbor as you love yourself, etc. I actually buy into that “trivia.”

  80. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Um…wow…way to rely on a small sample size there.

    He also had 10 hits in 2012….so there’s that.

    True but he had NEAR it in 2010. You’re basing this .260/.345 on Gardner’s 2011. A season where he was recovering from wrist surgery, which saps hitting. From May 1st on he hit .270 .356 .365 .721.
    —————–

    Actually I’m basing it on his 2009 and 2011 seasons. He hit .270 in 09 and .259 in 11 with .345 OBP in both seasons – so I’ll up the .260 to .265 and split the difference.

  81. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Actually I’m basing it on his 2009 and 2011 seasons. He hit .270 in 09 and .259 in 11 with .345 OBP in both seasons – so I’ll up the .260 to .265 and split the difference.

    Why weight 09 more than 2010? You’re completely ignoring his best season.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 25th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Anyway, I unconditionally love my free time at the end of the day. So I think I’ll go and enjoy some DVRd telly!

    :)

    Night all.

  83. Nilsson February 25th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    The disingenuous Yankee fan is the one who kept ragging and piling on Derek Jeter when he was struggling and likely playing hurt. It’s the same fan who kept calling the team boring even though they were playing well last season. That’s a spoiled Yankee fan.

  84. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    You could play very well but still be boring. Laker fans called their team boring under Phil even though they won Championships.

  85. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Actually I’m basing it on his 2009 and 2011 seasons. He hit .270 in 09 and .259 in 11 with .345 OBP in both seasons – so I’ll up the .260 to .265 and split the difference.

    Why weight 09 more than 2010? You’re completely ignoring his best season.
    ———————–

    I didn’t. I weighed the combination of 09 and 11 over the lone 10 season.

  86. Duh Innings II February 25th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    I don’t care what Gardner does as long as he posts at least .350 OBP, steals at least fifty bases, and plays Gold Glove defense, three things I think he is perfectly capable of doing and about all you could expect / hope for from a leadoff or ninth-place hitter, especially a ninth-place hitter.

    What’s this crap about Rivera and Diaz playing LF? Ichiro should and could play there, Rivera and Diaz should share RF until Granderson returns.

  87. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    I didn’t. I weighed the combination of 09 and 11 over the lone 10 season.

    But why not weight 2011 and 2010 together ? I think its more likely he puts up an amalgamation of those seasons (look he was even doing it in 2012!) than just a straight up combination of 2009/2011. Thats weird. You’re cherry picking to purely paint gardner in the worst light possible.

  88. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    that’s 260 games vs. 160.

  89. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    And of course weighting 09/11 over 2010 means you ARE weighting 09 more than 2010!

  90. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    that’s 260 games vs. 160.

    I’ll take the 300 games over the 100 games.

  91. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    You know, the ones that happened consecutively.

  92. waka flocka February 25th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    what bothers me the most about the Yankees is the hype machine they throw behind young guys (Big 3, A Jax, Tabata, Montero, The “B”s) and then they either trade them or find a way to screw their development up.

  93. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    waka flocka February 25th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
    what bothers me the most about the Yankees is the hype machine they throw behind young guys (Big 3, A Jax, Tabata, Montero, The “B”s) and then they either trade them or find a way to screw their development up.

    ——————————

    It’s a pump and dump Yankee style

  94. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    I didn’t. I weighed the combination of 09 and 11 over the lone 10 season.

    But why not weight 2011 and 2010 together ? I think its more likely he puts up an amalgamation of those seasons (look he was even doing it in 2012!) than just a straight up combination of 2009/2011. Thats weird. You’re cherry picking to purely paint gardner in the worst light possible.
    ——————-

    You’re using a week’s worth of at bats in 2012 to prove that 2010 wasn’t an outlier and you’re accusing me of cherry picking?

  95. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    And of course weighting 09/11 over 2010 means you ARE weighting 09 more than 2010!
    ——————-

    No, it means I’m giving two seasons more weight than one.

  96. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    No, it means I’m giving two seasons more weight than one.

    2 non-consecutive seasons 1 of which was 4 years ago. Ok. Thats bad maths. Gardner’s career stats are better than what you’re talking about and those include his getting acclimated rookie season.

  97. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Same way I look at Curtis Granderson and think that the offensive numbers he put up in 2010 and 2012 are more indicative of what we’ll get from him than his 2011 season is.

  98. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Completely different Chip. There is a very noticeable EVENT which coincides with his 2011 season, that being a well publicized swing change.

  99. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Gardner after getting back into it from his wrist surgery was better than your projecting him as. His career numbers are better.

  100. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    No, it means I’m giving two seasons more weight than one.

    2 non-consecutive seasons 1 of which was 4 years ago. Ok. Thats bad maths. Gardner’s career stats are better than what you’re talking about and those include his getting acclimated rookie season.
    —————–

    Gardner’s career stats are .005 points higher in OBP and .001 points higher in BA than what I’m predicting for him….oooohhhh….you’re right….that’s a huge difference…oh for shame.

  101. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    “The disingenuous Yankee fan is the one who kept ragging and piling on Derek Jeter when he was struggling and likely playing hurt. It’s the same fan who kept calling the team boring even though they were playing well last season. That’s a spoiled Yankee fan.”

    The upshot of your post is that if a player is underperforming, real fans aren’t allowed to mention it, which is a bizarre proposition.

    Oh, and they have been boring.

  102. Ghostwriter February 25th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Chip February 25th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Yeah, I don’t get the negativity either. Gardner is one of the few players on this roster who are at least somewhat young and have upside potential.
    —————

    Gardner’s a solid role player. What he is not is some young kid ready to break out. He turns 30 this season. He has a very specific skill set and those aspects of his game will help the team. But he’s not going to come in this season and hit .320 with a .385 OBP over 159 games with 80 stolen bases. It’s silly to pretend otherwise.

    He will, if healthy, hit about .280; get on base about 35% of the time and play solid defense…there’s nothing wrong with that…it’s a good thing. But stop looking for him to “blossom.”
    ========

    O’Neill didn’t blossom until he was 30. Gardner is not that far away from being an All Star caliber player, if he can stay healthy.

  103. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Gardner’s career stats are .005 points higher in OBP and .001 points higher in BA than what I’m predicting for him….oooohhhh….you’re right….that’s a huge difference…oh for shame.

    .015 to .005, you gave a range :) And yea thats a big deal. And the fact that you’re pooping on what may end up as our 2nd or 3rd highest OBP is the funniest part of it all!

  104. j9d February 25th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Very encouraging to see all the folks who love the Yankees arguing about who loves them
    more and what is best for them. I think it’s baseball season!!

  105. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Gardner after getting back into it from his wrist surgery was better than your projecting him as. His career numbers are better.
    —————

    Career numbers are indicative of what you have done, not what you will do. If 2010 was his peak, which I argue it was, then his career numbers will regress to the mean that I suggest is indicated by the two seasons that surrounded that peak year.

  106. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Career numbers are indicative of what you have done, not what you will do. If 2010 was his peak, which I argue it was, then his career numbers will regress to the mean that I suggest is indicated by the two seasons that surrounded that peak year.

    He is in his prime, healthy. He can reach his peak again. Or close to it. And those 2 seasons are not his ‘mean’. That would be his floor. The mean is in between them.

  107. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Its very convenient that career numbers are meaningless except for when you are using them to forecast Gardner as badly as possible :)

  108. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Gardner’s career stats are .005 points higher in OBP and .001 points higher in BA than what I’m predicting for him….oooohhhh….you’re right….that’s a huge difference…oh for shame.

    .015 to .005, you gave a range :) And yea thats a big deal. And the fact that you’re pooping on what may end up as our 2nd or 3rd highest OBP is the funniest part of it all!
    ——————-

    I’m not pooping on it. I have never said that Gardner’s a bad player. I’m just saying I don’t anticipate some major jump in his production over what we’ve seen simply because it would be convenient.

  109. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    I’m just saying I don’t anticipate some major jump in his production over what we’ve seen

    But you don’t need to anticipate a jump because we have SEEN Gardner be very good at the plate?

  110. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    I’m not pooping on it.

    You called it garbage and not a key contribution to the offense, so yea you are!

  111. Ghostwriter February 25th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    ——————-

    I’m not pooping on it. I have never said that Gardner’s a bad player. I’m just saying I don’t anticipate some major jump in his production over what we’ve seen simply because it would be convenient.

    =======

    Regressing back toward his mean would put him very close to his 2010. Expecting the worst isn’t necessarily more realistic, and certainly not in the way that you’re doing it.

  112. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    An injured gardner puts up a .345 OBP. An uninjured Gardner is much better than that. Which is why his health is key.

  113. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    I’m not pooping on it.

    You called it garbage and not a key contribution to the offense, so yea you are!
    —————-

    I called the notion that he’s going to be one of the most important aspects of the Yankee offense garbage.

    I think that having him healthy for a season, along with replacing Ibanez and Martin in the lineup with guys like Hafner, Youk and Ichiro will improve the team’s overall ability to get on base. But if you’re asking me, if healthy, who is more important to the lineup Gardner or Hafner, I’ll take Hafner because if he’s healthy he’s not only going to get on base but he’s also going to replace a lot of the power that the team lost this winter.

  114. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Ghostwriter February 25th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    ——————-

    I’m not pooping on it. I have never said that Gardner’s a bad player. I’m just saying I don’t anticipate some major jump in his production over what we’ve seen simply because it would be convenient.

    =======

    Regressing back toward his mean would put him very close to his 2010. Expecting the worst isn’t necessarily more realistic, and certainly not in the way that you’re doing it.
    —————–

    I’m not expecting the worst. I’m taking issue with those who expect him to be better than he’s been at his best.

    I mostly agree with Jerkface’s stance; the argument I have (which is more clearly illustrated on the previous thread I think) is that there is a segment of the fanbase that predicts this as a break out year as if Gardner is some young prospect with a much higher ceiling than what we’ve seen.

  115. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    anyway – night gang.

    If you’re interested in something fun and nonYankee related – take a look at Jeff Passan’s fact checking of Jeff Loria’s letter to Marlin fans.

  116. Ghostwriter February 25th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Chip February 25th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    I’m not pooping on it.

    You called it garbage and not a key contribution to the offense, so yea you are!
    —————-

    I called the notion that he’s going to be one of the most important aspects of the Yankee offense garbage.

    I think that having him healthy for a season, along with replacing Ibanez and Martin in the lineup with guys like Hafner, Youk and Ichiro will improve the team’s overall ability to get on base. But if you’re asking me, if healthy, who is more important to the lineup Gardner or Hafner, I’ll take Hafner because if he’s healthy he’s not only going to get on base but he’s also going to replace a lot of the power that the team lost this winter.
    =========

    Gardner is a better bet to have a good year than Hafner at this stage of the game. Hafner is a player whose peak is almost certainly behind him.

    At any rate, I think that it’s a false comparison. Gardner in center field will help us win more games than Hafner if he can stay healthy.

  117. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Oh goodie – another feel good story about Alex: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......rodriguez/

  118. Ghostwriter February 25th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    I’m not expecting the worst. I’m taking issue with those who expect him to be better than he’s been at his best.

    ———–

    No. You’re just telling us that he peaked three years ago.

  119. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Hafner, Ichiro, Jeter, A-rod, Youkilis – These guys are contending with more than just health, Chip, they are contending with old age and the potential loss of baseball skills.

    Gardner is in his prime, health is his only impediment.

  120. Ghostwriter February 25th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Chip February 25th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Oh goodie – another feel good story about Alex: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports……rodriguez/
    ———————

    That’s the kind of story that I don’t believe until I actually see the numbers, and learn the backstory. People are too quick to call people all kinds of nasty names, based on very little understanding of the facts.

  121. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    The story is silent on whether or not A-Rod knows anything about the issue.

  122. Ghostwriter February 25th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    The story is silent on whether or not A-Rod knows anything about the issue.
    ===================

    The story is light on all kinds of facts–it’s more innuendo than anything else.

  123. G. Love February 26th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    The sheer amount mental illness on display by some in this particular thread is staggering.

    Good God.

    It’s baseball. It’s a baseball team. It’s not religion. It’s not philosophy. The way you react to it is not how you’re measured in life.

    It’s baseball. It’s a pastime. It’s entertainment.

    I’m slack jawed at some of this utter ridiculousness that masquerades as “super-fandom”.

    Once upon a time we used to talk about baseball in here until the Jehova Witnesses showed up.

  124. Cashmoney February 26th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    Gardner is nice complimentary player imo on a championship team. Yanks are least one year away from having some depth in the OF, in light of that, he is important to this, some might say vital. he has trade value as a speed D guy who is relatively cheap. He is a good piece at his paygrade, he to stay healthy of course.

    just looking today’s lineup, call it B or C squad, it does expose one thing about this team, it’s thin depth.

    I glance over the above comments about fandom, i root for the team every which way that please you, just don’t infringe others opinion how they want to look at it.

  125. Cashmoney February 26th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    btw, Vidal Nuno looks about 35 in the picture above, if it is indeed him, someone check his birth certificate please.

  126. Cashmoney February 26th, 2013 at 12:34 am

    ” I’m not exactly sure what happened over the years or something. They have had plenty of opportunities and I kept raising my hand, wanting to go back” – Damon

    Gotta love that about Damon, I wonder if the fact that virtually no one is interested in 2013 Damon gives him a hint as to why the Yanks might not be interested.

  127. Duh Innings II February 26th, 2013 at 1:50 am

    If Damon REALLY wants to play for the Yanks again to just hold down Granderson’s slot until Granderson returns, he should accept a minor-league contract and compete for a job like Rivera and Diaz did.

    He’s not getting a guaranteed contract after his horrid 2012.

    He should also knock off the “I’m not calling the Yanks.” crap. Swallow your pride and shoot Cashman an email saying you’ll sign a minor-league deal and the Yanks will sign you to one.

  128. FiretheUMPIRE February 26th, 2013 at 4:44 am

    Not to rehash the past but I distinctly remember something about the Yankees and Johnny Damon “parting ways”.

  129. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 6:55 am

    Good Morning.

    Once upon a time on a baseball field long, long ago Matt Diaz was a pretty damn good hitter.

    I hope he finds some of that for us.

    :)

  130. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Well. I guess if nobody wants to talk I’ll get me some breakfast.

    ;)

  131. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 7:29 am

    Johnny Damon can’t play. There’s no point in wasting spring training at bats on him when the team needs to use them to evaluate people who might actually help them while Granderson is on the mend.

    If the Matt Diaz lost years were all the result of this problem with his hand (which is plausible) and that problem is fixed then he might be able to regain some of his old form. In the end I think the Yankees will take both him and Juan Rivera north. The question I have is how the two of them will get on the 40 man roster. It’s full right now.

    They can open up a spot by trading Cody Eppley; open up a couple of more spots by putting Cesar Cabral and Michael Pineda on the 60 day DL. No one else on the roster seems like an obvious candidate for DFA.

  132. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    morning Chip.

    been up to Vermont lately ?

  133. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 7:33 am

    Incidentally, there are 5 guys currently not on the 40 man roster who are competing for spots on it – Rivera, Diaz, Nix, Mustellier and Dan Johnson.

  134. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 7:35 am

    MTU –

    We were just up there to see the in-laws last week.

    The local news up there opened with “Fondue: It’s not just for swinger parties any more” as part of the Burlington area’s “Fondue February”

    The local news here at home opened with two teenage girls who made their sisters fight because they (the teens) were having a disagreement over candy.

    I like the Vermont way of life better.

  135. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Chip-

    My guess is a bunch of these guys duke it out in ST.

    Winners get to stay. Losers disappear.

    And yes, Pineda and/or Cabral could be put on the DL to clear a spot or 2.

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    Chip-

    Can’t say I blame you.

    Pretty country.

    Maybe you should move ?

  137. Doreen February 26th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    Good morning MTU.

    Thinking about Damon’s offer. I like baseball’s favorite nomad, but I think the Yankees have to look to their youngsters and in-house. If Damon is willing to work out and be ready if no one else is up to the task, then perhaps. But he should be a last resort at this point, not the bandaid of first choice.

    I am personally hoping one of the youngsters steps up and claims the opportunity.

  138. Doreen February 26th, 2013 at 7:41 am

    And good morning Chip. When I started my post you had not yet arrived on the scene. :)

  139. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    Back at ya Doreen.

    I am hoping for the same.

    Would love to see one of the youngsters shine and get the nod.

  140. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 7:44 am

    MTU -

    And live closer to my in-laws? Have you lost your mind :-)

    Morning Doreen!

  141. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Chip-

    There should be enough room for you to find adequate separation.

    The quality of life afforded by small town life is very rewarding.

    Our little town has under 10K people.

    About the only things that go wrong around here are a piece of bark falling off a tree, something rusting (that takes a while), or someone over 65 falling over.

    :)

  142. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    There’s a guy on WFAN right now who I think would be a great fit for the Yankees – Dan Murphy of the Mets.

    Can field every infield spot other than SS and play the OF corners – shame he’s left handed.

  143. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    I hope the vacancy will be filled from within.

  144. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Chip-

    There should be enough room for you to find adequate separation.

    The quality of life afforded by small town life is very rewarding.

    Our little town has under 10K people.

    About the only things that go wrong around here are a piece of bark falling off a tree, something rusting (that takes a while), or someone over 65 falling over.
    ———————

    Sounds good to me.

    Joking aside, Burlington and the surrounding area is gorgeous and I would love to live there. But the taxes are insanely high and salaries are very low. What I need to do is find a way to keep my New York salary and telecommute from a home in Vermont. Or win the lottery.

  145. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    I hope the vacancy will be filled from within.
    —————–

    I’m rooting for Zoilo Almonte but expecting Juan Rivera.

    Almonte is younger, can play defense, might be more than a patch, and is already on the 40 man roster.

    Rivera is a veteran with a track record on a team that favors veterans with track records.

  146. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Chip-

    Part of happiness is a dream that is actualized.

    Work on it. Find your special place.

    I believe everyone has one.

    ;)

  147. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    “Rivera is a veteran with a track record on a team that favors veterans with track records.”

    This has been true in the past.

  148. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    MTU -

    My special place is any place I live with my wife and son.

  149. Doreen February 26th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    We always joke about winning the lottery. I have NEVER bought a lottery ticket in my life. So my chances of winning are extremely slim, I’d say! ;)

    But we are at the stage of our life where talk of retirement is not just idle talk…sigh.

    I’d guess the Yankees will tell Damon thanks, but no thanks. He shoulda signed on for 2 years after the 2009 season.

  150. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    MTU February 26th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    “Rivera is a veteran with a track record on a team that favors veterans with track records.”

    This has been true in the past.
    ————–

    Yup, and the Yankees played Raul Ibanez for much of last year in LF so I don’t think Rivera’s defensive shortcomings will be held against him.

  151. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Chip-

    Then you’re all set.

    And by the way, I like those sentiments.

    Sounds to me like you have your head screwed on right. Priorites established correctly.

    You’re a lucky Man.

    ;)

  152. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Doreen,

    My wife and I are both in our mid-30′s so retirement is a long long way away – but even so – and even with the plans we’ve both started, I just don’t see how in the heck we’ll be able to do it.

    We have one child now, plan to have more, and assuming they want to go to college and aren’t prized athletes I’m not sure how that nut is cracked.

  153. Doreen February 26th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    I feel like the young guys will really have to knock ‘em out with their performance and/or Diaz and Rivera will have to tank badly or get hurt themselves in order for the Yankees to go with one of them. I do hope the Yankees surprise us. After all, it is not for the entire season, and it’s not a bench position.

  154. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Doreen-

    Are we talking advancing age, or just dissatisfaction w retirement in general ? Or both ?

    Because I am having a ball as a retired person.

    And if I can do it anyone can.

    :)

  155. Doreen February 26th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Chip, I’ll tell you, retirement for us, and for you who come after us will not be anything like the retirement my parents have enjoyed. Sadly.

    I consider that we’ve been fortunate and smart so we should be okay if we continue to be fortunate and smart. But times have certainly changed.

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    MTU, just we’re in our mid-fifties and time is flying. I think we will plan to enjoy our retirement, but it will be different for us than it is for my folks.

    I think talking about it now and trying to figure out where we’ll go and what well do ahead of time is key.

  158. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    YT-

    I’d like to see you come back to the Yankees as a medical consultant.

    :)

  159. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    MTU – Thanks.

    Doreen – Yeah I know. I look at my parents – my mom is retiring this June after 25 years in education and my dad works because he enjoys what he does; but he’s reduced his hours and takes about 2 months worth of vacation time each year.

    I’m not sure those options will be available 30 years from now.

    It’s a shame, we should work to live not live to work.

  160. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    Doreen-

    From what I know of you there is a similarity between yourself and one of my Sisters.

    You are both very loving and dedicated to your Families.

    Both of you haved worked extremely hard and played by the rules.

    Because of those things I hope good fortune smiles on you and your upcoming retirements will be
    better than you think.

    It doesn’t take much if your wants are simple.

  161. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Yankee Trader February 26th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Good morning I’d like to see Johnny Damon come back to the Yankees, as a coach.
    —————–

    Agreed – the only time he should be in LF for the Yankees is on Old Timer’s Day.

  162. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    If he doesn’t make the O’s – maybe the Yankees try to bring back Chris Dickerson. They like him and he fits the need. Again, my choice would be Zoilo Almonte.

  163. Yankee Trader February 26th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    MTU-
    If I did come back as a consultant for the Yankee I would insist that the front office before they traded for any high-priced pitcher, or any player for that matter, Get full body MRI’s and full cardiovascular workout. :)

  164. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Success is the handmaiden of good planning.

    ;)

  165. Chip February 26th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    I’m listening to Boomer and Carton debate the Damon scenario – they’re also talking about Soriano. If the Yankees were to bring in ex Yankees I think Maxwell and Dickerson would be better fits.

    Soriano makes more sense than Damon, but I don’t see where he fits barring an injury.

  166. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    YT-

    I knew you were the right Man for the job. That’s why I chose you.

    ;)

  167. austinmac February 26th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    I hope we see Almonte, Garcia and Mustelier play today. Diaz and Rivera appear to be on the way down. Would it be possible to try to play guys that could be on the way up?

    Youth movements cannot start by continuing to fill every opening with a released veteran.

  168. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Today is a hike day.

    Got to start getting ready soon.

    It is my task to lead 6 brave souls into the heart of darkness.

    :)

  169. austinmac February 26th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Doreen,

    I understand, believe me. Keep on working seems to be the plan.

  170. Yankee Trader February 26th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    I only saw the first inning of yesterday’s game.
    With Gardner and Nix on-base watched Diaz hit into a double-play and Rivera look like Andruw Jones at the plate.
    I’d be happy with Almonte and Mustelier, or a return of Justin Maxwell.

  171. Doreen February 26th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    MTU, that is kind of you to say.

    I really hate to say I don’t want Damon back. :(. He is a favorite of mine. But ther was a time and a place for him. It is an intriguing offer though.

  172. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Doreen-

    You’re welcome. I have a feeling Fate will smile on you. Call it a hunch.

    ;)

  173. Doreen February 26th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    And to me Soriano is not worth the cost in trade, regardless of who or how many players it would take. This is a short-term need.

  174. MTU February 26th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    P.S. OK so I exaggerated a little. The Heart of Darkness is just a walk in the Desert.

    :(

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