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Risk and reward in Gardner’s three-hit day

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 25, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner had three hits today. The third was notable only because it made him 3-for-3; it was the first two that were really worth watching.

Third inning
Bunt single up the third-base line

Remember when Phil Hughes kept coming to spring training and talking about his changeup? It’s a similar thing with Gardner and bunting. He’s always known it should be a significant weapon for him, but he’s never done it consistently in the big leagues. Today he dropped a perfect bunt where the Orioles never had a chance to get him.

“I have (worked on it) a lot,” Gardner said. “I feel really good with it. (That was) a situation where he’s playing me back, (but) it wouldn’t have mattered if he was playing in, probably. Just trying to stay in there, take my time, make a good bunt. It’s something I plan on doing a lot of.”

Joe Girardi said the Yankees have always encouraged Gardner to work on bunting — “We started encouraging when we first saw him,” Girardi said — but the Yankees made no point of telling Gardner to work on it this winter. He set that priority himself.

“It could be a big weapon,” Gardner said. “Especially if I get consistent with backing the ball up in the zone and hitting it hard to the left side; make that third baseman think about coming in a little too far. I’ll try and continue to work on it, especially during games, and try to get better at it.”

First inning
Infield single to the first baseman

It was a race between Gardner and Orioles starting pitcher Brian Matusz. At some point, it became clear Gardner was going to step on the bag first, but it also seemed Matusz might be able to get the feed from first baseman Chris Davis and slap a tag on Gardner. So Gardner slid headfirst into first base. Couldn’t help himself.

“Not even after what happened to Curtis yesterday, I guess,” Gardner said. “… I’ve collided with the pitcher on those plays before. The pitcher’s had a throw up the line and reached out and tagged me in the chest before I touched the bag before. It’s the kind of thing where, it’s almost just habit.”

Both Girardi and Gardner said there was no manager-to-player conversation after the play — “He’s said it enough to me where he probably knows it’s going in one ear and out the other,” Gardner said — but Girardi said he might say something to Gardner tomorrow. Fact is, everyone understands the situation. It’s a dangerous play that only helps to avoid a tag. It might have helped Gardner today, but was it worth the risk?

“I know during the season it becomes instinctual,” Girardi said. “But right now you don’t want to see him get his hand stepped on. … The hard thing is, it’s instinctual. But no matter how many times you tell a guy, I mean, how many times do you think I told Bernie? Just, when they’re hustling and playing hard, it happens.”

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62 Responses to “Risk and reward in Gardner’s three-hit day”

  1. MTU February 25th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Always wanted GGBG to become an excellent bunter.

    Glad to see he think it finally belongs in his toolbag.

    Better late than never.

    ;)

  2. MTU February 25th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    GGBG.

    Hint: Watch what Ichiro does.

    2nd hint : you’re faster.

    ;)

  3. Doreen February 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    To me this whole thing points up the fact that you can talk about what the Yankees do or not do, or say or not say to players, but it’s still up to the players to put those things into action. Three to four years to finally have Gardner say, yeah, a bunt should be in my toolbox? Gardner saying, Girardi knows telling him not to slide head first goes in one ear and out the other?

    I mean, really, guys.

    Anyway, glad Gardner did not get hurt today. But he is one slide/dive away from something…

  4. MTU February 25th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    It good to see guys play hard but it’s also good to see guys play smart.

    Heathcott. Are you listening ?

    ;)

  5. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Three to four years to finally have Gardner say, yeah, a bunt should be in my toolbox?

    He has worked on bunts every year? I don’t think he is just realizing it now. Its a spring training story.

  6. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Gardner just has to stay healthy. If he does, he’ll contribute.

  7. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    And I guess Gardner’s explanation on sliding makes more sense than thinking its faster. He doesn’t want to run into the pitcher. Ok, well, just run through the bag you’ll probably beat him there anyways and then he doesn’t step on your hand.

  8. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Sorry, can’t get all hot and bothered over Brett Gardner laying down a successful bunt single in a spring training game.

  9. MTU February 25th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Doreen-

    How bout enforcing some discipline. Is that not possible ?

    Most players hate being benched.

    ;)

  10. Doreen February 25th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    MTU -

    There was a guy on the Blue Jays yesterday, they talked about how he plays hard, last year he dove into the stands after a ball aganst the Yankees, broke something a lost a lot of the season. He said he can’t change who he is.

    I suspect Heathcott will be the same. Just like Gardner is not going to stop diving for balls, or sliding headfirst into first, or protect his fingers sliding into second.

    I’m not sure you really want them to change; but you just have to hope and pray that their luck holds out. Heathcott’s already had two problems with his shoulder from playing hard. I guess you have to hope that he’s had his share and he’ll be fine going forward (I mean, that’s one way to look at it, I guess).

  11. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Gardner just has to stay healthy. If he does, he’ll contribute.
    ————

    Nice hyperbole. Same could be said for every other player.

  12. Doreen February 25th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    MTU -

    I don’t think it can be done. I mean you can try to bench them or fine them, but I think Girardi is right; instincts and bad habits take over in the heat of a game.

  13. Doreen February 25th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    And I would think it’s harder to practice NOT doing something you’ve always done than it would be to try to incorporate something new.

    Who knows?

  14. Doreen February 25th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Jerkface -

    Yes, he’s worked on it every year in spring training. Then he doesn’t do nearly enough of it in season. Although, to be fair, he didn’t play much at all last season – he may have done more of it had he had the chance.

  15. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 25th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Both Girardi and Gardner said there was no manager-to-player conversation after the play — “He’s said it enough to me where he probably knows it’s going in one ear and out the other,” Gardner said — but Girardi said he might say something to Gardner tomorrow. Fact is, everyone understands the situation. It’s a dangerous play that only helps to avoid a tag. It might have helped Gardner today, but was it worth the risk?

    ******

    Don’t change a thing Gardner or Heathcott – it is in your nature and makes you who you are. Pay no attention to these posters and commenters that want certainity in their life and are risk averse – - – -

    To quote the Crying Game and the Scoprion and the Frog:

    The Scorpion and the Frog is a fable about a scorpion asking a frog to carry him across a river. The frog is afraid of being stung during the trip, but the scorpion argues that if it stung the frog, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown. The frog agrees and begins carrying the scorpion, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion explains that this is simply its nature.

  16. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “Nice hyperbole. Same could be said for every other player.”

    What? For the last two seasons, Gardner has either been sidelined or limited by injury.

    So if your point is that every player has been in that situation, then I guess you have a point.

  17. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 25th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Gardner just has to stay healthy. If he does, he’ll contribute.
    ————

    Nice hyperbole. Same could be said for every other player.

    *****

    NO – apparently according to the spokespersons for this comment section – Chris Stewart has no value, cannot contribute even if healthy – - – -

  18. MTU February 25th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Doreen-

    I understand what you are saying but a balance needs to be found between a Manager being like the marquis de sade and players doing the chicken and beer thing ala Francona.

    They are ballplayers but they are also employees.

    They cannot simply do whatever they want whenever want IMO.

    Some of that responsibility falls on the Manager’s shoulders too.

    Sometimes more than just talking to a player is required.

  19. Against All Odds February 25th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Same could be said for every other player.

    ——————

    Not necessarily because some guys are injury prone and suck. Therefore, they don’t really contribute.

  20. austinmac February 25th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    I hope the Yankees don’t go the Damon route. I liked him, but don’t we have someone better than a retired player? To his credit, he loves to play.

  21. Doreen February 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    MTU -

    My point here is only that if it is indeed instinct/habit, it’s not that easy to change. It’s not like in the middle of a game, Gardner’s gonna stop to think what NOT to do. I ‘d think time is moving too fast for that, and all he’s ever going to think is “beat it out.” And if he’s always beat it out sliding, he’s going to default to that.

    It’s not impossible, but I think some coach at some lower level needed to nip that particular instinct in the bud.

    And this year, benching Gardner (or anyone) is cutting one’s nose to spite one’s face. ;)

  22. FiretheUMPIRE February 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    When I was 13 years old and diving for grounders, the glove rolled over my thumb and I landed on top of it. When I yanked off the glove and looked at my thumb it was sideways. I had dislocated it and broke it. The pain was so severe that I barfed.

  23. MTU February 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Last time I checked GGBG was not The Babe.

    He needs to use all the weapons at his disposal.

    All of which revolve around speed and bat control.

    And he needs to get on base and steal. A lot.

  24. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    “NO – apparently according to the spokespersons for this comment section – Chris Stewart has no value, cannot contribute even if healthy – – – -”

    1.6 WAR since 2006; average that out.

    I’m sure if you try hard enough you can find a better example to support your unwavering loyalty.

  25. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “Nice hyperbole. Same could be said for every other player.”

    What? For the last two seasons, Gardner has either been sidelined or limited by injury.

    So if your point is that every player has been in that situation, then I guess you have a point.
    ——————

    No, my point is that “if he’s healthy he’ll contribute” goes without saying. If Derek Jeter’s healthy he’ll contribute. If Ichiro’s healthy he’ll contribute, Youk, Hafner, Juan friggin Rivera…if any player on the roster is healthy they are going to contribute. The question is the level of that contribution. I don’t think Brett’s level is that particularly high.

  26. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Sliding to beat the play at first in a spring training game kind of reminds me of Eliot Johnson plowing Cervelli a couple of years ago – if your talent is marginal than at least you can let everyone know your “grit” factor is high.

  27. MTU February 25th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Doreen-

    I don’t agree with that position.

    Allowing someone to continue with their bad habits is not smart.

    I hope Girardi uses all the tools in his bag to help ameliorate those sorts of things.

    Just accepting the staus quo is not what he should be doing IMO.

    That would be cutting off his nose to spite his face FWIS.

    But hey, we can agree to disagree.

    ;)

  28. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    austinmac February 25th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    I hope the Yankees don’t go the Damon route. I liked him, but don’t we have someone better than a retired player? To his credit, he loves to play.
    ——————-

    My guess is they stay in house. If not, they’ll see who shakes loose at the end of spring training from other rosters.

    FWIW, Sweeney Murti this morning on WFAN said he thinks that they’ll go with Rivera and Diaz. Hopefully they don’t dump anyone good of the 40 to make room for them.

  29. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    “No, my point is that “if he’s healthy he’ll contribute” goes without saying. If Derek Jeter’s healthy he’ll contribute. If Ichiro’s healthy he’ll contribute, Youk, Hafner, Juan friggin Rivera…if any player on the roster is healthy they are going to contribute. The question is the level of that contribution. I don’t think Brett’s level is that particularly high.”

    I know what your point is, and I think it’s wrong.

    Jeter basically does stay healthy. Gardner doesn’t.

    As for the others you mentioned, I don’t think health is the biggest factor in whether or not they will contribute. I think it’s age/how much they have left.

  30. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Yes, he’s worked on it every year in spring training. Then he doesn’t do nearly enough of it in season. Although, to be fair, he didn’t play much at all last season – he may have done more of it had he had the chance.

    Yea he probably would have. In 2010-2011 he was 11th in bunt hits and 7th in infield hits, so he is doing something, but bunting for a hit can’t be done every at bat and it takes away from his strength which is walking and taking pitches. you can’t bunt with 2 strikes and you generally aren’t going to bunt in a hitters count and if you do bunt its most likely to come within the first 3 pitches.

    He has always worked on improving his ability to bunt, and I think if he kept his number of attempts up and improved the success rate it will be better than increasing the number of bunts he attempts.

  31. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    “No, my point is that “if he’s healthy he’ll contribute” goes without saying. If Derek Jeter’s healthy he’ll contribute. If Ichiro’s healthy he’ll contribute, Youk, Hafner, Juan friggin Rivera…if any player on the roster is healthy they are going to contribute. The question is the level of that contribution. I don’t think Brett’s level is that particularly high.”

    I know what your point is, and I think it’s wrong.

    Jeter basically does stay healthy. Gardner doesn’t.

    As for the others you mentioned, I don’t think health is the biggest factor in whether or not they will contribute. I think it’s age/how much they have left.
    ————–

    And I think the narrative that you’re trying to push – that Brett Gardner is one of the better players on this team – is wrong.

    A healthy Travis Hafner or Ichiro or Youk or Tex is going to contribute a lot more to this team than Brett Gardner will.

  32. Doreen February 25th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Jerkface -

    Agree and understand that one cannot try to bunt for a hit every time, and that there are certain circumstances where you wouldn’t bunt.

  33. MTU February 25th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    And Doreen, just so there’s not one scintilla of confusion, it’s great to see you round.

    :)

  34. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    “And I think the narrative that you’re trying to push – that Brett Gardner is one of the better players on this team – is wrong.”

    Where did I say that?

    He’s not better than Cano. He’s not better than 2012 Jeter. He’s not better than 2011 Granderson. He’s not better than Tex, probably.

    That leaves 3B, RF, C, DH.

    He can bring more value than the current players who are likely to play those positions, offense/defense, especially if he plays CF.

    So yeah, I disagree on Hafner, Youkilis, and Ichiro.

  35. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    And I think the narrative that you’re trying to push – that Brett Gardner is one of the better players on this team – is wrong.

    A healthy Travis Hafner or Ichiro or Youk or Tex is going to contribute a lot more to this team than Brett Gardner will.

    You’re undervaluing Gardner’s on base, speed, and defense in these equations. Gardner can absolutely be one of the better players on this team.

  36. Doreen February 25th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    MTU -

    Thanks. :)

    I know what you’re saying. Theoretically, I agree. But I have personal experience with the disorder known as “in one ear and out the other.”

    I guess they could make a practice of anyone doing whatever it is that they’re not supposed to do during spring training could be taken immediately out of the game and/or fined.

    But what do you do in regular season?

  37. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    “And I think the narrative that you’re trying to push – that Brett Gardner is one of the better players on this team – is wrong.”

    Where did I say that?

    He’s not better than Cano. He’s not better than 2012 Jeter. He’s not better than 2011 Granderson. He’s not better than Tex, probably.

    That leaves 3B, RF, C, DH.

    He can bring more value than the current players who are likely to play those positions, offense/defense, especially if he plays CF.

    So yeah, I disagree on Hafner, Youkilis, and Ichiro.
    ——————–

    Ichiro does everything Gardner does, but does it better and will hit for some power too so you’re wrong there.

    Hafner won’t contribute anything on defense, but if he stays healthy he’s going to replace a lot of the power that they lost this winter. And get on base at a high clip too.

    Youkilis, when healthy, brings gold glove caliber defense to first and third, is a solid hitter and also gets on base.

    You treat Brett like he’s some young kid who just needs a chance to shine…he’s not. He’s a solid defensive player and has a ton of speed (which is what makes him a solid defensive player) but he’s not that good…never has been, never will be.

  38. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    And I think the narrative that you’re trying to push – that Brett Gardner is one of the better players on this team – is wrong.

    A healthy Travis Hafner or Ichiro or Youk or Tex is going to contribute a lot more to this team than Brett Gardner will.

    You’re undervaluing Gardner’s on base, speed, and defense in these equations. Gardner can absolutely be one of the better players on this team.
    ——————–

    I’m not undervaluing his speed – but you can’t steal 1st base and Brett has had 1 season where he had an OBP higher than .350.

  39. yankeehotelfoxtrot February 25th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    It could just be the optimist in me, but I have a feeling BG is going to have a solid year, as long (obviously) as he stays on the damn field!! The Yanks (again, obviously) need him to be healthy and have a good season even more after yesterday’s injury to young Curtis. The lineup situation is going to be interesting. I highly doubt it’ll happen (Joe, I hope you read this) but why not Gardner, Ichiro, Jeter, Cano, etc. against a righty starter? I realize that after the first time through it “doesn’t matter” and Robbie definitely fits the traditional mold of a #3 hitter, but he could certainly hit cleanup. The alternative is to bat either Ichiro or Gardy ninth, no? Will Derek’s spot depend on who’s pitching? He had a fairly decent season ;) batting first last year, but to me it makes more sense to have Ichiro or Gardy lead-off. Thoughts?

  40. Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    And if Brett Gardner is one of the better players on this team then a whole lot has gone terribly wrong.

  41. MTU February 25th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Doreen-

    Discipline needs to be enforced.

    It’s great when it comes voluntarily, or the players do it themselves but that’s not always the case.

    The last line of defense is the Manager.

    I agree with you that teaching fundamentals should begin early in a players career. That makes it easier.

    I believe in benching during the regular season if it’s justified.

    This is why a manager’s job is so difficult if done right IMO. One part Mathematician, one part Psychologist, one part Cop, etc.

  42. Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    I’m not undervaluing his speed – but you can’t steal 1st base and Brett has had 1 season where he had an OBP higher than .350.

    Ichiro’s OBP the past 2 years is less than .310. His career OBP is only .365. He is very old. Gardner has only really had 3 fullish seasons. His very first season: .345. His break out year .380, and then 2011 where he was coming off his wrist surgery .345. It was .400 in limited play last year(very limited super small sample size).

    I think it is a safe bet to assume he will OBP >= .345 with the potential for ~.380 if he is fully healthy. The only full time players higher than .345 last year were Cano, Swisher, Jeter, and A-rod. 2 of those guys aren’t a factor now. Jeter will still struggle vs RHP OBP wise as well.

    Gardner is a cool guy. He doesn’t need to steal first because he already gets on that base at an above average rate.

  43. Rich in NJ February 25th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    “Ichiro does everything Gardner does, but does it better and will hit for some power too so you’re wrong there.”

    What year is this?

    “Hafner won’t contribute anything on defense, but if he stays healthy he’s going to replace a lot of the power that they lost this winter. And get on base at a high clip too.”

    He’s an inconsistent, low AVG platoon hitter, and as you admit, won’t contribute anything on defense, unlike Gardner.

    “Youkilis, when healthy, brings gold glove caliber defense to first and third, is a solid hitter and also gets on base.”

    GG at 3B in 2013? He’s also likely a platoon hitter, basically at this point.

    “You treat Brett like he’s some young kid who just needs a chance to shine…he’s not. He’s a solid defensive player and has a ton of speed (which is what makes him a solid defensive player) but he’s not that good…never has been, never will be.”

    I treat him like what he is: a guy who can get on base, play a stellar CF, and steal bases….WHEN HEALTHY!

  44. Yankees88 February 25th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    I don’t want to act like Gardner is the best player ever, but just so everyone knows, Brett Gardner has the exact same WAR as Ellsbury in about a thousand less at-bats. Not the be-all end-all stat, but an interesting point of comparison.

  45. Mike_Boston February 25th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Why do so many people have to hate on Gardy? It’s like a hobby in here. The guy will be one of the best CF in the majors defensively and is a solid contact guy not to mention in top 3 in terms of speed. He’s also one of the better 2k hitters on the team.
    What else do you want from the guy?

  46. RadioKev February 25th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    I love Gardy. He’s a little gem of a player.

  47. Ghostwriter February 25th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Chip February 25th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Jerkface February 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    And I think the narrative that you’re trying to push – that Brett Gardner is one of the better players on this team – is wrong.

    A healthy Travis Hafner or Ichiro or Youk or Tex is going to contribute a lot more to this team than Brett Gardner will.

    You’re undervaluing Gardner’s on base, speed, and defense in these equations. Gardner can absolutely be one of the better players on this team.
    ——————–

    I’m not undervaluing his speed – but you can’t steal 1st base and Brett has had 1 season where he had an OBP higher than .350.
    ——————-

    Talk about meaningless cliches… Gardner doesn’t need to steal first. If he can stay healthy, I would be the least bit surprised to see him make the All Star team.

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