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Heathcott gets a start in center

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

With Slade Heathcott getting the start, Brett Gardner shifts to left field for the day. Also Jayson Nix gets a turn at shortstop.

Brett Gardner LF
Jayson Nix SS
Robinson Cano 2B
Juan Rivera DH
Dan Johnson 1B
Zoilo Almonte RF
Slade Heathcott CF
Chris Stewart C
Corban Joseph 3B

LHP Nik Turley

 
 

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101 Responses to “Heathcott gets a start in center”

  1. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    How many opportunities has Drob had? He pitched a game or 2 after Mo went down. got hurt, and when he came back Sori was closing

  2. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 9:25 am
    Drew Stubbs
    I thought about the Indians making him available, but I believe he, Brantley and Bourn are their OF and Swisher is at 1st.

    Mayberry- would be a platoon vs lefties as his OPS the last 3 seasons vs righties is .687.

    Versus a righty, I’d go Gardner, Jeter, Cano, and pray that Tex doesn’t hit into the shift for an inning ending DP with men on base and in scoring position.

  3. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Might be looking at the starting 2014 OF today.

    Game @1:05 in Tampa vs Orioles on MLB.TV via YES.

  4. blake February 27th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    awesome….is this one on tv?

  5. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 9:30 am
    How many opportunities has Drob had? He pitched a game or 2 after Mo went down. got hurt, and when he came back Sori was closing

    _______________________________________

    And why was Sori given the closer job? Because Robertson failed to seize the opportunity.

  6. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I wanna be watching this game…. damn.

  7. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    SHould be interesting to watch today. Get to see Slade and Zolio in the same outfield and Nik Turley on the mound for the first time. HOpe YES replays the game tonight.

  8. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    I’m telling you guys, going forward the best way to approach the 9th inning is to have 2 guys that can/do close. Platoons are taking over baseball.. it’s going the evolution of the pen. Joba and Robertson, if they’re both retained, will split duty. If not, I’d still guess they go with a revolving door for that role.

  9. The Genius Maker February 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Blake, Dickerson did very well last year in the majors and also did very well in the minors and we just ignored it for much more older and expensive options. Same thing happened to Maxwell. It is illogical when you are trying to save money and your upside is so limited as well with the option that has been chosen. People on this board said the same thing about Maxwell when I went crazy and now Maxwell and his very good OPS against lefties walked for nothing. Dickerson is a valuable cheap 4th OF’r and is way better than some of the options we have been looking at and also could start and perform. We simply don’t develop fully the bodies needed. Unless a guy is obscene in the minors the chances are slim.

  10. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Blake
    You and I will be getting the Cards vs Mets on TV

  11. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Don’t see the O’s just letting Dickerson go for nothihng. They will hold onto him until they can possibly trade him. They know the Yankees situation and won’t just leave him out there for the Yanks to take him back

  12. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 9:37 am
    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 9:30 am
    How many opportunities has Drob had? He pitched a game or 2 after Mo went down. got hurt, and when he came back Sori was closing

    _______________________________________

    And why was Sori given the closer job? Because Robertson failed to seize the opportunity.

    ————————————————————-

    Failed to seize the opportunity??? Based on a game or two??? WTF

  13. The Genius Maker February 27th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    As for the comment that the Yankees “see something” in ichiro and feel he has more game left and that is why they gave him the money…well of course that is what they did. I am just saying that in my opinion it was a bad decision. If they wanted to do it for one year than I wouldn’t have made such a big deal of it but with 189 looming it was a very poor decision with very little upside and 6 mil of downside and the opportunity cost of not developing someone (a big issue with the yanks)

  14. The Genius Maker February 27th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I mean, removing emotion and just running statistical expectancy on ichiro, I would expect the SABR guys have Ichiro with an OPS in the .720 range. Is that worth 12 mil for 2 years? His speed is not what it was, but his defense is still solid, but not spectacular. Gardner is far better. Just remove emotion and think about it. Shoot in 518 AB’s in his career, Dickerson had an OPS of .760! He also had an OPS of .932 in the minors last year; if one of our prospects had an OPS of .932 and could play solid D wouldn’t we be screaming for him?

  15. The Genius Maker February 27th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Tackleberry, I agree about Dickerson, my point was WE let him go for nothing

  16. blake February 27th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    “Blake, Dickerson did very well last year in the majors and also did very well in the minors and we just ignored it for much more older and expensive options.”

    14 AB’s last year in the majors….he’s a career tweener who really didn’t perform that well in other big leagues cups of coffee. I’m not saying he couldn’t have matched Ichiro…..just saying that we can’t say he’d even be as good and he’s 30 years old himself. I wish they had kept him…..but I’m not gonna really lose sleep over it.

  17. austinmac February 27th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Today’s game should be fun to watch with Slade, Zoilo and Stewie. Well, two of three ain’t bad.

  18. blake February 27th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    “As for the comment that the Yankees “see something” in ichiro and feel he has more game left and that is why they gave him the money…well of course that is what they did. I am just saying that in my opinion it was a bad decision.”

    ok I guess we’ll find out…..

  19. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I don’t think it was a bad decision to sign Ichiro, I just think it was bad if they are going to let that 6.5 million per year stop them from adding a premier outfielder.

  20. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    The Phillies are essentially on the books for 5.75M for Michael Young’s expiring contract, having traded, I believe, two minor league prospects? Had the Yankees had the opportunity to do the offseason all over again, still wanting veterans to plug the holes, would they be better off using the 13M for Ichiro and the 12M for Youkilis toward Young, Torii Hunter (16M/2) and David Ross (6.5M/2, I believe)?

  21. blake February 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    apart from bringing Swisher back or signing Josh Hamilton….Ichiro may have been the best option they had for RF this year…..and at 6.5 million AAV it shouldn’t cause too much of an issue for 2014. I would have much rather had him for 1 year but it is what it is…..

  22. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    YES is airing the replay tonight at 10pm.

  23. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Hehehehehe..

    @acomak

    Asked about the Marlins today, Davey said “I’m still trying to learn their names.”

  24. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Until later.
    Have a great day?
    Looking forward to seeing Heathcott, Almonte, and Turley

  25. Doreen February 27th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Shame,

    I don’t think closer will be revolving door. I do think that the way Cashman/Girardi have constructed the bullpen over the last few seasons has worked very well – and ends up being very cost effective.

    But I also don’t see a platoon closer role being such a bad thing. I think about teams that have done it with success in the past. And I think DRob-Joba could definitely end up being a good team out there. Mariano is impossible to replace – and just maybe a transition from Mariano, Super Closer to a different approach might work better (unless a more perfect situation presents itself, of course!), in terms of “hype,” and expectations and getting used to No Mo’ Mo.

    I’d like to see both of them step up their game this season. DRob fell off just a tiny bit last year; both of them were dealing with coming back from injuries.

  26. LGY February 27th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I probably missed this but why did they DFA Dickerson? It couldn’t have been a direct result of signing Ichiro, right?

  27. pat February 27th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Joba was feeling his oats yesterday. Going down the starter road with the NY media was bold but geting into a Twitter “flame war” with an annoying blogger was just plain stupid.

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    “The fact Joba Chamberlain became a reliever can’t be blamed on one thing or one person. The Joba Rules were actually working before that 2008 shoulder injury. Even after the injury, the Yankees let Chamberlain spend all of 2009 as a starter, but his 4.75 ERA was a pretty good indication that he wasn’t the same overwhelming pitcher who’d burst onto the scene two years earlier. …”

    ///

    Chad,

    The Yankees “let” Chamberlain spend 2009 as a starter, setting him up for failure by giving him the weirdest schedule of abbreviated innings per start to achieve his innings target:

    The new rules said Joba Chamberlain could work a little longer last night, and he responded with his best outing in over a month.

    Chamberlain, the Yankees’ micromanaged righthander, held the Angels to just a run on four hits while fanning two over four strong innings in a 5-3 victory.

    It was the first time in his last 14 starts, dating back to June 24, that Chamberlain didn’t walk a batter. Chamberlain had been pulled after three innings in each of his previous three starts as the Yankees try to hold his innings total under a limit that is believed to be 160 – he has about 17 innings left before reaching that limit.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2M6xOfJO7

    “The new rules said Joba Chamberlain could work a little longer last night, and he responded with his best outing in over a month.

    Chamberlain, the Yankees’ micromanaged righthander, held the Angels to just a run on four hits while fanning two over four strong innings in a 5-3 victory.

    It was the first time in his last 14 starts, dating back to June 24, that Chamberlain didn’t walk a batter. Chamberlain had been pulled after three innings in each of his previous three starts as the Yankees try to hold his innings total under a limit that is believed to be 160 – he has about 17 innings left before reaching that limit.”
    ///

    I was at nearly every home start, and I saw how stressful those innings sometimes were, as I’m sure Chamberlain was looking over his shoulder every minute.

    The Yankees also made this so public, that he was on such a short leash, and the people in the stands that have the attention span of Joe Girardi (who robotically repeats the rhetoric that developing starters don’t have the “luxury” to develop at the ML level as Yankees) compounded the stress by booing the kid.

    What’s more, the mediocrity of Dave Eiland, with his pitch-to-contact philosophy mentoring plan for Chamberlain (Rothschild would never have prescribed this), completely disregarded what made Chamberlain special to begin with.

    As for the dip in velocity and the shoulder problem – wouldn’t these, heading into a sophomore season, mitigate for more patience – not less?

    There were Tigers fans that wanted to shelve no less than Justin Verlander as a starter when he got clobbered in his third season.

    Again, even Pettitte and Sabathia expressed dismay at Chamberlain’s “long reliever” prescribed innings limits per game.

    It is pretty clear to anyone who observes the nonlinear path of development in young pitchers (ESPECIALLY when it comes to a sophomore season) that the Yankees’ folding act on Chamberlain was premature in the extreme.

    Bumgardner was another fans wanted moved into the bullpen… I didn’t hear the SF Giants say “we can’t afford to develop a starter in front of our impatient fans,”…. that’s because they kept him in the rotation and helped them win a championship that next year as a key starter.

    The Yankees ALSO HAD THE OPTION OF RETURNING CHAMBERLAIN TO THE MINORS (sorry for caps; I don’t dare risk italics) for more fine-tuning; why wasn’t this done? He didn’t see the minors again after 2007 and 88.1 IP! (Obviously, the rehab innings in 2012 don’t count).

  29. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Failed to seize the opportunity??? Based on a game or two??? WTF

    ________________________________

    Yes, because if Robbie had closed out 1 of those games, he may have gotten more opportunities. My point is, going forward, Robertson is not the apparent heir to Mo automatically. SHould be an open competition. JOba could very well gt a chance there

  30. 86w183 February 27th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Torii Hunter got $ 26 M over two years.

    The Yanks spent slightly less for one year of Youkilis and two years of Ichiro.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Sorry for double post of story from DN.
    ///

    Heathcott in CF, Zoilo in RF, very cool.

    Does Dellin get in today?

    As to Joseph being a reserve, I have said many times I would like to see him as a LHB off the bench, primarily because he is such a mature, disciplined hitter, I think he could still manage a professional AB with sporadic plate appearances. His developing power would also play nice in Yankee Stadium. He can play some backup at 2B or 3B (not much range at 2B, and not a great arm for 3B, but once in a while would be ok).

  32. blake February 27th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    “I probably missed this but why did they DFA Dickerson? It couldn’t have been a direct result of signing Ichiro, right?”

    to make room for Russ Canzler!

  33. blake February 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    The Yankees had an outfield full of LH hitters and they apparently wanted to sign all the RH mediocrity they could find….which made Dickerson the odd man out……I guess they didn’t plan on one of the LH hitting outfielders getting hurt.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    It’s good to see Gardner bunting for hits, but if he’s going to be our leadoff hitter with Jete out, I really need to see his bat stay in the zone longer. He does not have the kind of swing trajectory, IMO, to sustain a high enough BA, which is why he is so “streaky” as a hitter.

    If he could just sustain what he was doing in ALDS 2011, he’d have a much better chance to hit for a higher average. I am dubious that Kevin Long is the guy who can help with that. Also don’t like the hand flying off the bat. He needs to learn to swing through the baseball, and not rise up on his toes on his “follow through.”

  35. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    JOba could very well gt a chance there

    ————————–

    No problem with a competition.

    If Joba is smart he leaves the minute he’s a free agent.

  36. jmills February 27th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Hi people, lost work day up here. Maybe a Jays game will be on the radio. Romero is a question mark due to knee problems. I think double A learned from last year that you just can’t have enough pitching, hence, Happ.

  37. blake February 27th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    I don’t think Gardner will ever be a great hitter…..but really he just needs to hit enough to combine with walks to get his OBP in the .350 range to be a threat offensively.

  38. blake February 27th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Bryan Hoch ?@BryanHoch
    MLBPA head Michael Weiner on Yankees getting to $189M next year: “I’ll believe it when I see it.”

  39. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    What’s more, the mediocrity of Dave Eiland, with his pitch-to-contact philosophy mentoring plan for Chamberlain

    —————-

    Not just JC but that was the philosophy for the entire staff.
    Cashman: We want strikeout pitchers and guys that miss bats in October.

    Huh??? But they hire a coach who doesn’t believe in SO and just wants them to pitch to contact.

  40. randy l. February 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    j.a.pru-

    the blind allegiance to eiland by most of the blog at the time he was pitching coach reflects a tendency of many on the blog to simply believe in the authority of the yankees. in other words whoever is in charge of something on the yankees is really good because the yankee are good and they know more than any fan.

    this is a huge fallacy. right now the yankees have coaches who will be discredited when they leave like eiland was. the simplemindedness that is extended towards a coach whie he is there is not extended afterward. it’s a weird phenomenon.

    i don’t think eiland was horrible. he’s generic. nothing special though. just like most yankee coaches.
    personally i think the yankees because they have the most financial resources in the game should have the best coaches.

    the yankees young pitchers have had to go through a gauntlet of generic pitching coaching. catchers like cervelli forget how to throw to second after a few years of coaching by what should be good catching coaches in girardi and pena. hitters like teixeira turn into one dimesional hitters under long.

    gardner is still learning to bunt at the mlb level at age 29. think about that.

    there is one common denominator in the generic coaching.
    cashman hires them all.

    i say if you want to get better yankee coaching, hire someone who hires better coaches.

  41. blake February 27th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    There has been noticeable improvement to me in the starting pitching since Rothschild took over…..

  42. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    I know the point has been made, but I’m not sure anyone has made this specific observation: The last four World Series winners had elite catchers.

  43. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    @LoHudYankees

    Walking through foul territory during BP, I hear Gardner yell, “Chad, watch out!” Gets me every time. #fearformylife #gardnercracksup

  44. austinmac February 27th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Kev,

    Better than Stewie?

  45. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Dickerson would have filled in decently for Granderson. I think he is a better player than he gets credit for.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Not just JC but that was the philosophy for the entire staff.
    Cashman: We want strikeout pitchers and guys that miss bats in October.

    Huh??? But they hire a coach who doesn’t believe in SO and just wants them to pitch to contact.
    ///

    Odds,

    I never got the Eiland appointment, and then I watched and cringed through his passing the buck on Joba numerous times. He and Eppler and their mediocre notions finished Chamberlain as a starter. Casman, who was brandishing the “he’s a starter” thing pretty strongly, suddenly just did an about face.

    Wishy washy stuff, unless he’s got some kind of deep, dark secret that they’ve buried with the Gnostic gospels in caves somewhere….. somehow, I doubt that.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    There has been noticeable improvement to me in the starting pitching since Rothschild took over…..
    ///

    Indeed there has. And I don’t think it’s any coincidence, either, that Chamberlain’s improved, and back to being a resolute pitcher looking to get swings and misses.

  48. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    austinmac February 27th, 2013 at 10:58 am
    Kev,

    Better than Stewie?
    ———

    If you could even imagine that.

  49. FiretheUMPIRE February 27th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Melky found himself in CF in hostile Fenway Park, midsummer, when he was 20 years old.

    22-year old Heathcott gets the spring training start in CF.

    Very bold.

  50. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Doreen – They’ve constructed the BPs very, very well and have been able to get the most out of them. That being said, I think that actually lends itself to the idea that they will try to go with a platoon style to close games. Why spend on a big money closer (which Robertson or Joba might well become) when they can go another route?

  51. FiretheUMPIRE February 27th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Oh please. Dickerson sucked.

  52. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    “Oh please. Dickerson sucked.”

    He did?

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Randy,

    I agree.

    I believe in giving the benefit of the doubt to a point, if the evidence hasn’t mounted to the degree that it is no longer reasonable to do so. Even so, there are some moves and decisions which underline a failed philosophy, and you don’t need the trail along the floor to find the offending pile… some can’t foresee it, some are deliberately blind to it, and then some just don’t like other people having strong opinions about something they don’t particularly have a feel for, yea or nay.

    I agree on Eiland’s being generic, but he also had a certain arrogance about him. This is tolerable in someone who is exceptional, because it might be part of what makes them effective. Eiland wasn’t in the category, and his mediocrity cost a pitcher who isn’t, several good years’ evolution of starting.

    This is where I (and if I may so presume, you) probably part ways with some here: I don’t see where Cashman keeps getting chances to repeat himself.

    My lone hope is that Patterson really makes a difference at the root level, and Cashman can coast off his in-house guys (some of whom project as big arms) and not be left to his poor judgment on deals… same with the position guys… the less margin for error through the system, the less Cashman and Girardi get into the act with their prescriptions of “pitching wins” and pitch framing idolatry.

    Because I can’t see either getting canned, unfortunately, and if Girardi got the axe, Cashman would just hire his approximate.

  54. FiretheUMPIRE February 27th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    YES! HE DID! SO GET OVER IT!

  55. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa
    Gold from Cafardo’s mailbag: “Can you compare Jackie Bradley to Willie Mays? Maggie, Burlington, Vt.” “Not quite ready to do that Maggie.”

    lol Peter Gammons probably could

  56. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    FiretheUMPIRE February 27th, 2013 at 11:10 am
    Oh please. Dickerson sucked.
    ———

    Based on what? He had 72PA and that small sample said he was basically league average with the bat. A few stolen bases. He could have held down the position for 10 weeks.

  57. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    .266 .352 .407 .760 <— This is pretty good. Dickerson would have been a great fill in.

  58. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Dickerson was ok and I do think he would probably be the #1 option now to fill in if they still had him…..came down to a numbers game and apparently the Yanks valued another RH bat instead of the depth Dickerson provided……

  59. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    I don’t really understand why they thought they need to release Dickerson to make room for Russ Canzler……

  60. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    “apparently the Yanks valued another RH bat instead of the depth Dickerson provided……”

    I think the Yanks basically just plain undervalued Dickerson. I think it happens all the time in baseball. There are guys in AAA who could fill a role in the majors but never get the chance, and there are guys in the majors who, if luck had broken the wrong way, would be Chris Dickerson.

    Just the way life is.

  61. FiretheUMPIRE February 27th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    I have seen homeless drug addicts begging for pennies with more dignity than this. Who cares about these lost players who are fringe major leaguers? We’re going to cry over this today?

  62. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    “I think the Yanks basically just plain undervalued Dickerson”

    perhaps….I think Cashman sometimes goes overboard trying to fill a hole when he knows he can’t get a good player to do it……he’ll sign like 25 pieces of chewing gum to try to fix the hole in the dam…..

  63. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    I don’t really understand why they thought they need to release Dickerson to make room for Russ Canzler……
    ————————
    Because with an outfielder of Gardner, Granderson and Ichiro they weren’t going to carry another LH bat on the bench and, much like was the case with Abe Almonte, there wasn’t space for him to get regular time in AAA.

  64. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    “apparently the Yanks valued another RH bat instead of the depth Dickerson provided……”

    I think the Yanks basically just plain undervalued Dickerson. I think it happens all the time in baseball. There are guys in AAA who could fill a role in the majors but never get the chance, and there are guys in the majors who, if luck had broken the wrong way, would be Chris Dickerson.

    Just the way life is.
    —————–

    Dickerson’s been given chances with other organizations; he’s a 30 year old 4A player.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    he’ll sign like 25 pieces of chewing gum to try to fix the hole in the dam…..
    ///

    Speaking of mediocrity, this is actually a very good metaphorical definition.

  66. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Dickerson’s been given chances with other organizations; he’s a 30 year old 4A player.
    ————

    That doesn’t mean he isn’t a better solution than the guys we currently have on the roster.

  67. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    “Because with an outfielder of Gardner, Granderson and Ichiro they weren’t going to carry another LH bat on the bench and, much like was the case with Abe Almonte, there wasn’t space for him to get regular time in AAA.”

    sure but what if one of those guys gets hurt (which they have)….they released him for a guy that isn’t even gonna make the team and probably will be cut loose himself.

  68. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    I think by the end of Spring Training the Yankees will use Cody Eppley to get a RH hitting OF.

  69. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 11:00 am
    Not just JC but that was the philosophy for the entire staff.
    Cashman: We want strikeout pitchers and guys that miss bats in October.

    Huh??? But they hire a coach who doesn’t believe in SO and just wants them to pitch to contact.
    ///

    Odds,

    I never got the Eiland appointment, and then I watched and cringed through his passing the buck on Joba numerous times. He and Eppler and their mediocre notions finished Chamberlain as a starter. Casman, who was brandishing the “he’s a starter” thing pretty strongly, suddenly just did an about face.

    Wishy washy stuff, unless he’s got some kind of deep, dark secret that they’ve buried with the Gnostic gospels in caves somewhere….. somehow, I doubt that.

    —————–

    I doubt it as well. Now of course the response is the Yankees know more than we do and have determined through medical records that he can’t start anymore. But if that’s the case why did he throw it out there that he can’t do it. Once a team looks at those medicals wouldn’t they come away with him not being able to start again.

  70. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    “That doesn’t mean he isn’t a better solution than the guys we currently have on the roster.”

    Right.

  71. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Signing Ichiro was a mistake too.

  72. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “Signing Ichiro was a mistake too.”

    I was never a Martin fan, but if they were going to give out one two year deal, he was the far better option.

  73. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “I was never a Martin fan, but if they were going to give out one two year deal, he was the far better option.”

    “He” meaning Martin, I presume?

  74. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    “Signing Ichiro was a mistake too.”

    TBD.

  75. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
    saw mike trout. looks large, but in good, scary way. says hes 235 lbs, down 6 from start of spring, up 4 from end of ’12

  76. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    ‘“He” meaning Martin, I presume?’

    YES!

  77. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “TBD.”

    Everything in this world is TBD. But let’s revisit in mid-July if Ichiro is hitting .290 and OPS’ing .675.

  78. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    “Everything in this world is TBD. But let’s revisit in mid-July if Ichiro is hitting .290 and OPS’ing .675.”

    what was the alternative though if they weren’t going to spend any money and they wouldn’t take a risk on a guy like Melky? They had to have somebody…..I like Ichiro and he has in fact looked more like Ichiro instead of corpse of Ichiro really for awhile now……so maybe they can squeeze whats left in him out.

  79. DONNYBROOK February 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Signing Ichiro for a deuce, is primarily based on the $$$ he generates. EVERY decision Ritchie Rich\Hal makes, $$$ is Priority 1. He continues to be the antithesis of his Dad.

  80. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    The problem is with Ichiro is that he will be a fixture in the lineup even if he doesn’t produce. And he has to hit .325, .290 from him looks decent but doesn’t cut it. That’s the risk with Ichiro and IMHO it’s not one I like.

  81. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    “The problem is with Ichiro is that he will be a fixture in the lineup even if he doesn’t produce. And he has to hit .325, .290 from him looks decent but doesn’t cut it. That’s the risk with Ichiro and IMHO it’s not one I like.”

    again….what was the alternative if they weren’t going to spend any money? They don’t have anybody ready in the minors…..

  82. austinmac February 27th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    The bad news is not that they let Dickerson go but that they need him. He is simply a capable 4th outfielder, yet we are in the position of pining over him.

    Is it too late to reiterate that we should go after Cespedes? No, we couldn’t keep up with the fabulously wealthy A’s bid for Cespedes.

    Planning ahead is a good thing which the Yankees have seemed to forget.

  83. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    “again….what was the alternative if they weren’t going to spend any money? They don’t have anybody ready in the minors…”

    To be honest, I would have preferred Martin and Dickerson. At least if Dickerson flopped they would replace him.

  84. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Gomes was an option for two years.

    Prior bad decisions add have taken their toll. They should have traded Swisher a year ago, knowing he would leave, and sign Beltran for two years.

  85. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    “Because with an outfielder of Gardner, Granderson and Ichiro they weren’t going to carry another LH bat on the bench and, much like was the case with Abe Almonte, there wasn’t space for him to get regular time in AAA.”

    sure but what if one of those guys gets hurt (which they have)….they released him for a guy that isn’t even gonna make the team and probably will be cut loose himself.
    ————————–

    Yankees weighed that against the need for someone who could provide a right handed option to them. I’m pretty sure they came to the conclusion that guys like Chris Dickerson will be available at the end of spring training if they’re needed.

  86. DONNYBROOK February 27th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Depends how you wanna package this “other” OF’er. You take Ichiro’s 2 yr total $, and add in Youk’s 12 Mill, and all the sudden you got the cabbage for Hamilton’s year 1.

  87. austinmac February 27th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Wave,

    I agree that Ichiro needs a very high average to have value since he never walks and has little power. A .320 OPS with five to ten homers from a corner outfielder is not enough. One more position they have declined offensively.

    This team is going to have a great deal of problems scoring.

  88. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Axisa made a good point a while back. He said Ichiro needs to be really good or really bad so they will be forced to make a decision on him in 2014.

  89. DONNYBROOK February 27th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    I like Martin, but No team is gonna hit the skids by losing 20+ HR’s. You’re talking like Martin was hitting like Johhny Bench.

  90. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “Signing Ichiro was a mistake too.”

    I was never a Martin fan, but if they were going to give out one two year deal, he was the far better option.
    ————–

    Russ Martin was one of the two worst offensive performers in the lineup last year. They were losing Nick Swisher; their top two leadoff candidates (internally) will both be coming off injuries to start the season. Ichiro brings top notch defense to the team, can bat leadoff, and as we saw in the latter part of the season and playoffs; still has plenty in the tank.

  91. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    “To be honest, I would have preferred Martin and Dickerson. At least if Dickerson flopped they would replace him.”

    fair enough…

  92. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Prior bad decisions add have taken their toll. They should have traded Swisher a year ago, knowing he would leave, and sign Beltran for two years.”

    should have signed Beltran either way.

  93. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    “Russ Martin was one of the two worst offensive performers in the lineup last year.”

    You’re viewing him the wrong way. He is a superb hitter v. LHP (226 .356 .524 .880 in 2012) and is far better than the current alternatives are likely to be.

  94. DONNYBROOK February 27th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Yea, guys like Dickerson Will be available at the end of ST. Problem is, the Yankees are the team making these players available.

  95. blake February 27th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    “Axisa made a good point a while back. He said Ichiro needs to be really good or really bad so they will be forced to make a decision on him in 2014.”

    they have to pay him that year either way….I’m thinking he will probably be more of a 4th outfielder type next year…..but that really depends on how he plays and if anybody emerges to take his job or not. Presently they only have 2 outfielders signed for 2014…..and one of them is ichiro. Somebody has to emerge to replace him if he’s not going to play

  96. DONNYBROOK February 27th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I was in favor of signing Beltran, but he had a lousy 2nd half. TO BE CONTINUED ……….

  97. blake February 27th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    “was in favor of signing Beltran, but he had a lousy 2nd half. TO BE CONTINUED ……….”

    as usual he mashed in the playoffs though

  98. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    “they have to pay him that year either way….I’m thinking he will probably be more of a 4th outfielder type next year…”

    But if he is mediocre (a high 90-ish OPS+), they may keep him as a starter. If it’s 80 something. they may have to face that he can’t start. Let’s hope it’s his NYY small sample 114.

  99. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    “Russ Martin was one of the two worst offensive performers in the lineup last year.”

    You’re viewing him the wrong way. He is a superb hitter v. LHP (226 .356 .524 .880 in 2012) and is far better than the current alternatives are likely to be.
    ———————

    You’re always advocating playing young players – the Yankees have a young option at catcher, at outfield they’re not there yet.

    And yes Martin was very good against LHP but you’re talking about 130 at bats.

  100. DONNYBROOK February 27th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Was looking at Adam Dunn’s 2012 numbers this AM. That guy has been a train wreck for 2 seasons running.

  101. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Oh awesome Montgomery and Dylan Bundy going to pitch today :)


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