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Spring training Game 5: Yankees vs. Orioles

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (1-3)
Brett Gardner LF
Jayson Nix SS
Robinson Cano 2B
Juan Rivera DH
Dan Johnson 1B
Zoilo Almonte RF
Slade Heathcott CF
Chris Stewart C
Corban Joseph 3B

LHP Nik Turley (9-5, 2.89 ERA in High-A last year)
Turley has never faced the Orioles

ORIOLES (3-0)
Alexi Casilla 2B
Manny Machado 3B
Conor Jackson DH
Steve Pearce LF
Russ Canzler RF
Lew Ford CF
Danny Valencia 1B
Ryan Flaherty SS
Luis Exposito C

RHP Jake Arrieta (3-9, 6.20 ERA in 2012)
Arrieta vs. Yankees

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES Network

WEATHER: Little bit cloudy earlier today, but it’s become a typical spring training day. Blue sky. Sunshine. Very slight breeze blowing out.

UMPIRES: HP Chad Whitson, 1B Dan Iassogna, 3B Vic Carpazza

ORIOLES PEN: Baltimore has RHP Dylan Bundy, RHP Todd Redmond, RHP Steve Johnson, LHP T.J. McFarland and LHP Eduardo Rodriguez scheduled to pitch. Bundy is a huge prospect. Should be interesting to see him.

FAMILIAR NAMES: The Orioles lineup includes Steve Pearce (who played briefly a part-time role for the Yankees last season) and Russ Canzler who was briefly on the Yankees 40-man roster this winter and might have had a chance to win a job in camp). Both players were claimed off waivers by the Orioles. … The rest of the Orioles lineup is made up of some smaller names partially because the Orioles are a split-squad today. They have a home game tonight against Boston.

WHAT TO WATCH: Spring debut of Mark Montgomery. … Another chance for Zoilo Almonte to make his case for the big league roster. … Slade Heathcott in center field. … Corban Joseph and Dan Johnson at the corners. Can one of those two emerge as a viable option as a left-handed bat off the bench? … Robinson Cano is leaving for the World Baseball Classic this weekend, so this is surely one of his last games with the Yankees this spring. Not that he has much to prove, but the Yankees won’t see a lot of him next month.

UPDATE, 1:07 p.m.: Leadoff walk, then Turley made a bad pickoff throw, and Dan Johnson got tangled with the runner who advanced to second on an error and interference. Strange way to start this game.

UPDATE, 1:09 p.m.: Turley just bounced a breaking ball three feet in front of the plate. I don’t know if it’s nerves or simply early spring training, but Turley hasn’t been sharp. At all.

UPDATE, 1:10 p.m.: Infield single and now runners at the corners for the 3, 4 and 5 hitters. Granted, those 3, 4 and 5 hitters are Conor Jackson, Steve Pearce and Russ Canzler, but still.

UPDATE, 1:12 p.m.: RBI single for Jackson and a meeting on the mound from Rothschild.

UPDATE, 1:13 p.m.: Not a particulary good route by Heathcott. The ball falls for an RBI double to right center. It’s now 2-0 with two on and no outs while Turley’s rough outing continues.

UPDATE, 1:15 p.m.: Oh man, this is getting ugly. Bad throw by Nix is an E-6. Two more runners score, Canzler is at second and it’s 4-0 Orioles.

UPDATE, 1:16 p.m.: And now a wild pitch. Zach Nuding no longer has the Yankees worst outing of the past 24 hours.

UPDATE, 1:17 p.m.: Another pitch bounced well in front of the plate for a run scoring wild pitch. Turley ends up getting a strikeout in that at-bat and the crowd responds with a rather sarcastic applause.

UPDATE, 1:19 p.m.: And that’s it for Turley. Five runs. Four earned. Three hits. Two wild pitches. One out.

UPDATE, 1:23 p.m.: Eppley gets out of the inning with two quick outs. It’s 5-0 Orioles after a half inning.

UPDATE, 1:27 p.m.: Gardner had a bunt single against the O’s two days ago. Now Machado is playing in on the grass.

UPDATE, 1:31 p.m.: Gardner’s strong spring continued with a leadoff walk, but he was erased on a double play before Cano grounded out to end the inning.

UPDATE, 1:42 p.m.: Eppley trying to get five outs today. Got the first four rather easily, but the last one just never came. Walk, double and two-run single. Now Matt Daley is in to try to strand a runner at second.

UPDATE, 1:54 p.m.: Juan Rivera’s speed will not help him make this team.

UPDATE, 1:58 p.m.: There’s another base hit for Almonte. Two on and one out for Heathcott.

UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: Offense from the catcher! Two-out RBI single for Stewart gets the Yankees on the board. Orioles lead 7-1 in the bottom of the second.

UPDATE, 2:07 p.m.: Two outs and bases loaded for Gardner.

UPDATE, 2:10 p.m.: Three-run triple to deep center field for Gardner. He hit that ball awfully hard and got to third without a real play. It’s now a 7-4 game as the spring of Gardner continues.

UPDATE, 2:16 p.m.: Well that’s just a really bad throw from Joseph. Sailed it well over Dan Johnson’s head and right into the crowd.

UPDATE, 2:23 p.m.: Cano’s bare-handed play at second base lets the Yankees turn a double play and get out of a bases-loaded jam in the third. Now Cano leads off the bottom of the inning.

UPDATE, 2:33 p.m.: It’s an out, but it’s also another hard-hit ball for Almonte. He just flied to center field to leave a runner stranded at first base in the third inning. It’s still a 7-4 game.

UPDATE, 2:40 p.m.: Corban Joseph gets another chance and this time makes a fine throw from behind third base to get Canzler out and end the fourth inning. By the way… is it really just now the end of the fourth inning?

UPDATE, 2:49 p.m.: The YES gun says Kahnle just hit 98 mph after back-to-back 95s.

UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: Heathcott took a couple of bad routes earlier in the game, but in this inning he’s gone back on a ball to deep center and made a nice running catch in right center. In between those plays, Stewart made a horrible throw to second (over the infielders and into the outfield).

 
 

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305 Responses to “Spring training Game 5: Yankees vs. Orioles”

  1. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Hey! there’s yankees on the TV playing baseball!

    :)

  2. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Turley’s gotta ask Pettitte about his pickoff. Pass that thing down through the generations.

  3. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Never seen that one before…

  4. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Wow inauspicious start to this one… Poor Dan’s Johnson

  5. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    personally i’d have no objection to names on the ST jerseys since there are always so many guys you dont recognize and also to avoid confusion with the duplicate #’s.

  6. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Casilla gets tangled with Johnson at 1B when Turley misses a throw to first. Casilla awarded 2B because of interference.

  7. Patrick February 27th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Poor Dan’s Johnson

    Phrasing!

  8. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    when the pitching coach has to make a mound visit with nobody out in the first you’ve got problems…

  9. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    Axisa:

    Ivan Nova and his 4.41 ERA in 62 career starts is in camp competing for a rotation spot this spring while Joba and his 4.18 ERA in 43 career starts is not. Think about that. Nova has gotten 19 more starts (and counting!) to prove himself than Joba.
    __

    Messed up.

    ——

    It starts at the top

  10. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Not a great route to the ball there.

  11. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    heathcott looked tentative on that gapper. probly better not to crash into almonte in the first inning of a ST game but i think in a regular game he gets that.

  12. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Well this is an awful inning. Probably should get Turley out of there. He is getting all his pitches in and theres no outs.

  13. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    tom i thought he was good till he started thinking about the RF’er.

  14. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Ugly is the operative word.

  15. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    I just hope nobody gets hurt!

  16. jmills February 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Have a good game people. I will celebrate the fact Russell Martin will languish in Pittsburgh after dumping Canada. I promise not to go on too much about the so and so; just allow me to kick him around for a while :)

  17. Bronx Jeers February 27th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    At least the bases are empty now. :wink:

  18. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    The good news for turley is he is getting experience against batters two or three years ahead of him and his era will be zero when the season starts.

  19. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Need to get this kid out ….he’s gonna hurt himself, his confidence, or somebody

  20. Mike Ri February 27th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    i think we can pull the hook now

  21. pkyankfan69 February 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Wow, that was brutal… Felt bad Turley even though it wasn’t all his fault.

  22. PacoDooley February 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    I think Buck Showalter sold his soul to the devil – even in a spring training game his team just seems to get a lot of lucky breaks…

  23. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Feel bad for Turley. Sure he wanted to make a good first impression. Oh well, live and learn

  24. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Gardner, early in spring training, has been showing that leadoff mentality. Other than the bunt he has probably seen 6 p/pa

  25. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Good test for Rivera today to see if he can hit a right handed pitcher

  26. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Blake,

    Not really worried about Turley losing confidence. Like Flash said, it is very rare for a kid who spent the year in A ball to start a ml spring game.

  27. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Gardner has been awesome so far…..grinding ABs

  28. Russell Munson February 27th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Does this mean we can’t wax poetic about Turley any more?

  29. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    “Not really worried about Turley losing confidence. Like Flash said, it is very rare for a kid who spent the year in A ball to start a ml spring game.”

    sure….it doesn’t help anything though….hopefully hes a tough kid and it won’t faze him.

  30. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    “Does this mean we can’t wax poetic about Turley any more?”

    doesn’t really mean much of anything

  31. Patrick February 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Good test for Rivera today to see if he can hit a right handed pitcher

    Regardless of what he does today, he can’t hit RHP

  32. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Eppley is looking good. Hope scouts are watching.

  33. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    “Good test for Rivera today to see if he can hit a right handed pitcher”

    this gives a better indication than anything he does today

    2012: .232.269.335 .604
    2011: .247.309.358 .667

  34. yankeehotelfoxtrot February 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Poor Turley :(

  35. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    come on YES….get the radar gun working before Bundy pitches

  36. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Blake,

    My guess is that Rothschild will let him know that his stuff looked good and that he should use this as a learning experience to take with him to AAA.

  37. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    ok there it is

  38. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    At least Turley made Nuding feel a little better

  39. PacoDooley February 27th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    “Good test for Rivera today to see if he can hit a right handed pitcher”

    this gives a better indication than anything he does today

    2012: .232.269.335 .604
    2011: .247.309.358 .667
    ———————————–

    Exactly – I am so tired hearing people defend Rivera as a choice for a roster spot over guys like Mesa and Almonte. He has been horrendous and it is over a decent sample size. He should be a VERY long shot…

  40. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Add Conor Jackson to the list of guys I would rather have than Rivera.

  41. yankeehotelfoxtrot February 27th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Wow, this is really tedious lol.

  42. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Paco,

    I don’t want Rivera to get the job but I think he will is all I am saying.

  43. yankfan1 February 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    “Ivan Nova and his 4.41 ERA in 62 career starts is in camp competing for a rotation spot this spring while Joba and his 4.18 ERA in 43 career starts is not. Think about that. Nova has gotten 19 more starts (and counting!) to prove himself than Joba.”

    I question whether anyone remebers how terrible Joba’s starts were at some point. I will admit he was rather impressive that roughly 2 month strech in 2008 in which he first started. But in 2009 he went from mediocre to excruciating to watch in that season. Would take him 100 pitches to get through 5 innings, bullpen killer. just dont think his stuff translates well to being a starter. Nova still maintained a avg fb velocity of around 95 last season… Correct me if im wrong but Jobas was around 92 when he started.

  44. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    And now Eppley is making Turley feel somewhat better about his outing.

  45. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Chip February 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Eppley is looking good. Hope scouts are watching.

    ______________________________

    How bout now?

  46. Mike Ri February 27th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    At least Turley made Nuding feel a little better

    —–
    lol lol

  47. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    I think Diaz has a better chance than Rivera does…..I wish they’d cut them both and give Mesa or Mustieller a chance…..of course the Yanks do have a recent history of somehow getting production of of seemingly washed up players (Ibanez, Jonesy…etc)

  48. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Has ex-Marineer RP Shawn Kelley been in a game yet?

  49. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    ” just dont think his stuff translates well to being a starter”

    He has four pitches. You can look at 2009 as a year of regaining arm strength from a shoulder injury that didn’t require surgery. If Pineda struggles this year, is he in the pen for good?

  50. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    “I question whether anyone remebers how terrible Joba’s starts were at some point.”

    what did they expect? He got all of 70 minor league innings development time……

  51. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I question whether anyone remebers how terrible Joba’s starts were at some point. I will admit he was rather impressive that roughly 2 month strech in 2008 in which he first started. But in 2009 he went from mediocre to excruciating to watch in that season. Would take him 100 pitches to get through 5 innings, bullpen killer. just dont think his stuff translates well to being a starter. Nova still maintained a avg fb velocity of around 95 last season… Correct me if im wrong but Jobas was around 92 when he started.

    It was his first full season, check yourself. Must every pitcher be an immediate stud before pulling the plug? And look at this:

    Joba IP per start 2008: 6
    2009 before joba rules: 5.65

    Hughes 2007: 5.53
    2008: 4.57
    2009: 5.33

    So what the heck? Can you give him a shot at actually developing?

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Anyone,

    Has Bundy been in yet? Thanks.

  53. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Joba as a starter threw harder than Hughes with much better secondary stuff. He actually has 3 secondary pitches worth throwing.

    Everyones stuff is better in the bullpen.

  54. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    yankfan1 February 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    “Ivan Nova and his 4.41 ERA in 62 career starts is in camp competing for a rotation spot this spring while Joba and his 4.18 ERA in 43 career starts is not. Think about that. Nova has gotten 19 more starts (and counting!) to prove himself than Joba.”

    I question whether anyone remebers how terrible Joba’s starts were at some point. I will admit he was rather impressive that roughly 2 month strech in 2008 in which he first started. But in 2009 he went from mediocre to excruciating to watch in that season. Would take him 100 pitches to get through 5 innings, bullpen killer. just dont think his stuff translates well to being a starter. Nova still maintained a avg fb velocity of around 95 last season… Correct me if im wrong but Jobas was around 92 when he started.

    ————————-

    That’s the life of a starter. The same ppl that complained about Joba wring their hangs when Nova starts. When Hughes has a rough game don’t we hear the same thing “Watching him get smacked around is painful” The life of a young starter is one with ups and downs. Pineda is going to go through it as well.

  55. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Juan Rivera…..I think Bengie MOlina would have beaten that out

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Crap, we’re only in the 2nd?? Turley got torched, I take it??

  57. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Not yet, JAP.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    NM on Bundy. Didn’t know it was so early (and so late ;) ).

  59. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    “Has Bundy been in yet? Thanks.”

    no…I think he will pitch the 3rd

  60. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 27th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    “I question whether anyone remebers how terrible Joba’s starts were at some point.”

    what did they expect? He got all of 70 minor league innings development time……

    *****

    Pay no attention to the college innings – pay no attention to them – - -or the man behind the current – - – -

    Hey is that Stephen Strasburg over there with 55ish minor league innings before being called up????

    This is Stoneburner, reporting from permanent exile on Ceti Alpha V, with the wax poetic minute – - – -

  61. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Joba never had any periods as bad as some of the ones Hughes and Nova have had…..I love Phil but the Yanks have given him 100 more chances than they gave Joba

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    thanks, tom.

  63. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    joba as a starter often made me want to pull my eyeballs out. maybe he would have figured it out, but man it was terrible to watch.

  64. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    “Pay no attention to the college innings – pay no attention to them – – -or the man behind the current – – – -”

    College? how many innings has Gerrit Cole gotten? College isn’t pro ball dude…..and Strasburg is a once in a life time talent.

  65. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Almonte!

  66. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    So you’re comparing a once in a generation talent to Joba.

  67. blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    come on Slade!

  68. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Joba never had any periods as bad as some of the ones Hughes and Nova have had…..I love Phil but the Yanks have given him 100 more chances than they gave Joba

    ————-

    Agreed. Same with Nova though they at least had the resolve to send the kid down for a while and work things out. Joba was never given that opportunity, it was crazy.

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Strong throwing up, bizarre routes :) .

    Almonte had a stretch in Trenton where everything he hit was a double. He was sensational. He has that “red hot” gene where you can’t get him out in spells. Just wish he could tidy up his OF play.

  70. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    joba as a starter often made me want to pull my eyeballs out. maybe he would have figured it out, but man it was terrible to watch.

    ———————

    Fans better deal with it because that’s going to happen a lot next yr.

  71. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    2010 was supposed to be the season Joba could let loose and pitch without innings limits. Instead he went to the bullpen. What was the point then?

  72. PacoDooley February 27th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Maybe Buck can explain to the devil that ST wins don’t count and so there is no point in jinxing the Yankees before the season starts…

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    *throwing arm, not up! Jeez. His OF play makes me nauseous sometimes, though :)

  74. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “Fans better deal with it because that’s going to happen a lot next yr.”
    ———————————————————-
    …yeah but it will be mets fans wanting to pull their eyeballs out watching joba next year…

  75. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    …yeah but it will be mets fans wanting to pull their eyeballs out watching joba next year…

    Were you pulling your eyeballs out when Nova was putting up a 5 ERA or Hughes was doing essentially the same thing 07-09?

  76. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Stewie! Arieta did him a favor there

  77. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    “Fans better deal with it because that’s going to happen a lot next yr.”
    ———————————————————-
    …yeah but it will be mets fans wanting to pull their eyeballs out watching joba next year…

    ——————————–

    No I meant on this team with all the young players next yr

  78. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    blake, has Stewie been brushing with your special toothpaste? :)

  79. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Joba averaged over 5 innings per start. That means, sure, some of his starts will be 5 innings, but he would on average pitch into the 6th inning. Whats wrong with that for a 23 year old kid’s first full season?

  80. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    “blake, has Stewie been brushing with your special toothpaste? ”

    I sent him a box….he didn’t send it back

  81. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    It’s selective thinking RE: Joba. He had some very strong moments as a SP. If you don’t want to go through growing pains, then you can’t want to develop pitching. Talk about spoiled Yankee fans.

  82. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    the only logical explanation with Joba is that the Yankees simply didn’t think he could stay healthy starting…..and that may be the case…..but they have never said that….Cashman always said they liked his stuff better out of the bullpen and that’s a dumb reason…..everybody’s stuff is better out of the bullpen.

  83. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Buck matching up in a 7-1 ST game….

  84. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    blake, I hope he paid cash, and that you didn’t keep receipts. ;)

  85. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    “blake, I hope he paid cash, and that you didn’t keep receipts. ”

    oh I have written on a piece of notebook paper somewhere : “Stewie: took roids”

  86. yankfan1 February 27th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    I wasnt comparing Phil vs Joba… i was comparing Joba vs Nova. Neither hughes or Joba have had a 4- 5 month strech as good as Novas in 2011.

  87. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    hey i didnt say i wanted joba in the pen. he could be totally annoying to watch, but if he was effective i was fine with it, although i’d usually find myself flipping over to another baseball game at times.

    it was just annoying to watch.

  88. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Gardy havin himself a spring

  89. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    gardner’s on fire!

  90. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Way to go, Brett! Hot as a pistol.

  91. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    GD headfirst slide.

  92. yankeehotelfoxtrot February 27th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Great at bat by Gardy…new a fastball was coming and ripped it!!

  93. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Atta boy, Gardy!

  94. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    i said all winter that gardner was going to leave camp as the starting CF and leadoff hitter and have a great year. (all star game?)
    but i wish he’d save some of it for the RS.

  95. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Way to battle back boys! Gardy is on fire!

  96. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Nova and Phil have both frustrated me as starters in the past as well… don’t see the difference between them and Joba.

  97. Hassey February 27th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Who will Giro start in the first game of the ALCS?

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    I missed Gardner’s triple, anyone care to give a description?

  99. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    the only logical explanation with Joba is that the Yankees simply didn’t think he could stay healthy starting…..and that may be the case…..but they have never said that….Cashman always said they liked his stuff better out of the bullpen and that’s a dumb reason…..everybody’s stuff is better out of the bullpen.

    ———————

    I don’t get that line of thinking either.. I dunno that I believe pen arms are ‘safer’ than starter arms.

    If he injured himself trying to be a starter, you say ‘oh well’ and go find another cheap option to fill in. That’s what we’re good at, right? Pitching depth?

  100. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Gardy is ballin this spring…..

  101. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    I missed Gardner’s triple, anyone care to give a description?

    opposite field 3-2 pitch into LCF over the CFers head.

  102. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    ” Hassey February 27th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Who will Giro start in the first game of the ALCS?”
    ______________________________-
    jake peavy

  103. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    air mail

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    “Unprompted”

    Gotta love Joba. So much for folks thinking he was “taken out of context.”

    Joba: No More Mr. Nice Guy :twisted:

    Love it.

  105. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Gardner making a case to bat leadoff against both lefties and righties.

    YF & JAP-

    Can Almonte make the jump and play RF with Ichiro moving to left? Have you seen any improvement in his hitting as well as fielding?

  106. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I don’t get that line of thinking either..

    Doesnt make sense because they started him for a full year after his major injury. WSN said that starting a guy is better than relieving him for health. Relievers are on a volatile schedule, they don’t build up their arm strength to pitch lots of innings. A starter pitches on a set schedule, with workouts inbetween and side sessions. They work harder to condition. I’ll believe starting is safer.

  107. jmills February 27th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Alfred, I’ll give a description; Gardner hit a ball and hot to third base. Suffice? :)

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    I missed Gardner’s triple, anyone care to give a description?

    opposite field 3-2 pitch into LCF over the CFers head.
    ///

    Nice! Thanks.

  109. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    ” Hassey February 27th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Who will Giro start in the first game of the ALCS?
    ==================================
    betances?

  110. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    I don’t even care if Almonte can’t field that well.. neither can anyone else besides Mesa and he apparently can’t hit anything but fastballs. Almonte is the best option for a few reasons right now. He’s a switchy, RF is an easier position to play in NYS, and he should be more athletic than Rivera or Diaz.

  111. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    “Relievers are on a volatile schedule, they don’t build up their arm strength to pitch lots of innings. A starter pitches on a set schedule, with workouts inbetween and side sessions. They work harder to condition. I’ll believe starting is safer.”

    it may be so….but historically its a reason teams use….basically you can look to throw 120 or so more innings as a starter…….I think many times if teams think a guy is an injury risk they’ll move them to the bullpen simply because if they go down it’s not nearly as difficult to replace them in that role….that doesn’t make sense really but it’s kinda the way it seems sometimes….

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    jmills February 27th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Alfred, I’ll give a description; Gardner hit a ball and hot to third base. Suffice? :)
    ///

    jmills, :) . With descriptors like that, I don’t need to watch ;) .

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Shame,

    Ignorance is bliss :D

  114. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Well I said that yesterday Blake, I don’t buy the idea of relieving being inherently safer, only that the loss of a reliever is less troubling than losing a starter. So if a guy is an injury risk, you put him in the bullpen because then you don’t lose a starter, I GUESS. Though in Joba’s case I still don’t buy that, because the reasoning Cashman used (and flip flopped on) was that the injury made it so Joba cannot warm up fast enough to relieve, and then it was something else when they put him back in the pen.

  115. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    dont think ive ever seen a 2b make the turn on a dp as well as cano.

  116. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Though you’d think even a starter that gets banged up every now and then is still worth more than a reliever.

    This is true in practice, as the Yankees paid AJ Burnett more per season than they ever paid Mariano Rivera. And one guy is the best in baseball at his position while the other guy is certainly not.

  117. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Nice job by Rondon getting around Joseph’s error, with an assist from Cano.

  118. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
    I don’t even care if Almonte can’t field that well.. neither can anyone else besides Mesa and he apparently can’t hit anything but fastballs. Almonte is the best option for a few reasons right now. He’s a switchy, RF is an easier position to play in NYS, and he should be more athletic than Rivera or Diaz.

    _________________________________________________

    Almonte is an average defender right now, with room for improvement. We’ve already seen he has a good arm out there. He can fill in nicely til Grandy returns

  119. randy l. February 27th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    yup nothing like cashman’s sarcasm about joba saying he’d like to start again at some point in his career considering how bad cashman’s track record is with young pitchers.

    same with girardi. considering under his mentoring cervelli lost the ability to throw to second, i’m not sure girardi is bulletproof either.

    sarcasm about a player like joba shows what his manager and gm think of him.

    the best thing for him to do is to light it up in the role they give him, and then when he signs a good contract with someone else, to let them have it with both barrels.

    assuming they’re both with the yankees that is .

  120. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Niice pitch.

  121. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Maybe you can make a case that it’s the pitch that the pitcher relies on, and not whether they relieve or start. If you believe the slider has more propensity to lead to elbow injuries, then maybe That has led to Joba’s need for TJ.

    Just a completely shallow opinion. :)

  122. jmills February 27th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Bobby Orr is now receiving for Canada. Russell, goodbye forever.

  123. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Almonte is an average defender right now, with room for improvement. We’ve already seen he has a good arm out there. He can fill in nicely til Grandy returns

    —————–

    Even if he was just a notch below average I find it hard to believe Diaz or Rivera would be better.

    If we survived a full year of Ibanez/Jones in the OF last year we’ll be okay with Almonte for a few weeks. I’m sure they’ll still split his time with either Diaz or Rivera anyway.

  124. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Turley gif:
    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ley-82937/

    Seriously, if I can watch small clips of the game while it’s still happening someone explain why instant replay is treated like a mission to the moon…

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    YF & JAP-

    Can Almonte make the jump and play RF with Ichiro moving to left? Have you seen any improvement in his hitting as well as fielding?
    ///

    I like his left-handed swing and like I said, he turns into a doubles machine often. My concern is the fielding. It’s frustrating because he has an arm, speed, and generally good athleticism, but his routes sometimes leave you scratching your head. Not talking about just taking a longer route to get to the ball and making a diving catch when a direct line to the ball would have made it unnecessary – I’m talking about bizarre misadventure: starts in, starts back, makes a crazy circuitous run around the ball and ends up on his backside and the ball’s rolling to the wall – stuff like that. It doesn’t happen all the time, he has his more seamless plays out there, but he just blows up from time to time and leaves you on the edge of your seat: not in a good way :) . Kid needs work. He’s also a SH so I’d like to see him get more development time, and I was the one here making him my darkhorse.. but then I started to see a lot of him…

  126. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    “assuming they’re both with the yankees that ”

  127. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    did Bundy pitch?

  128. jmills February 27th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I remember when Jimmy Williams tried to take Bell out of left to constuct a permanent DH out of him. George hit 3 dingers on opening day vs the Royals ’89 but was blowing up all over the place. The Jays initially tanked, Williams was dunked, Cito took over, and the rest was history.

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock February 27th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    randy l. February 27th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    yup nothing like cashman’s sarcasm about joba saying he’d like to start again at some point in his career considering how bad cashman’s track record is with young pitchers.

    same with girardi. considering under his mentoring cervelli lost the ability to throw to second, i’m not sure girardi is bulletproof either.

    sarcasm about a player like joba shows what his manager and gm think of him.
    ///

    Also shows how defensive they are about it. Here’s hoping the next Yankee FO is less below-the-belt snivelly.

  130. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    hey nice play by Joseph….you can tell he doesn’t really have the arm strength to play of there in the big leagues but that was a nice play

  131. Tackelberry February 27th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Nice inning for Rondon. ANyone know how hard he was throwing?

  132. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    joba said he wanted to start or close.

    which obviously was going to revive the controversy again.

    so cashman doesnt want to trash the pitcher and he doesnt want to say anything controversial and have the whole thing just get bigger.

    so he made a joke out of it.

    not a bad strategy, really.

  133. blake February 27th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    missed heathcotts hit….what happneed

  134. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    blake, yep, doesn’t have 3B arm strength, Joseph is better at 2B.

  135. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    JAP

    YF sent me the difference in his success vs righties over lefties. Wasn’t he mainly in LF at Trenton?

    I wondered if he shows improvement in ST with his fielding, playing RF, could he make the jump and maybe be used, if needed as a platoon vs lefties, and whether that would retard his development.

    I’d lke to see one of the Baby Bombers make the jump and go north with the team rather than a retread like Rivera, who reminds me of Andruw Jones with the bat, or Matt Diaz, who has little power.

    Thanks

  136. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    “so he made a joke out of it.”

    As I said yesterday, what Girardi said was far worse.

  137. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Missed Heathcott’s hit also.

  138. pkyankfan69 February 27th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Heathcott ripped the first pitch in the hole into RF.

  139. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Almonte played LF mostly. Bad routes and overly aggressive but has the athleticism. His fielding needs work, but I would risk it for a month and a half.

    Hip Hip!!!

  140. jmills February 27th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    John Farrell has now tried to alter the story. He didn’t leave Toronto for his dream job, he, ” got traded. ” What a load.

  141. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Posada wants Sanchez to be more disciplined and come to camp in shape. Ouch.

  142. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    not a bad strategy, really.

    ————————

    What he could have said what I like most about Joba is he just wants to help the team in anyway possible and he’s focused on helping the team out of the pen and contributing.

  143. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Couple of nice plays by Heathcott.

  144. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Blake-

    Bundy 2 innings, one single to Heathcott, one BB, one SO. 3 groundouts, 2 flyouts. Don’t kno the pitch count.

  145. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Nice play, Slade.

  146. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    wow did po really say that? (i have the volume off)

    sanchez starting out of shape and in the doghouse?

    gotta wonder about that kid…

  147. jmills February 27th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Heathcott could be a nice tale; why not? :) Love those nose to the wall types. Reed Johnson was a pleasure.

  148. jacksquat February 27th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
    not a bad strategy, really.

    ————————

    What he could have said what I like most about Joba is he just wants to help the team in anyway possible and he’s focused on helping the team out of the pen and contributing.

    Joba could have said that also, to begin with. Joba started it so I feel he deserved the reaction he got. He can talk about wanting to start in the offseason when he’s looking for a new job.

  149. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    “gotta wonder about that kid…”

    He is, as you say, a kid, and their most talented one. That is what teaching is about.

  150. jacksquat February 27th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Not too unusual for a 20 year old to lack discipline.

  151. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Joba could have said that also, to begin with. Joba started it so I feel he deserved the reaction he got. He can talk about wanting to start in the offseason when he’s looking for a new job.

    He was asked if he thinks he can still start. What should he have said,”No I suck”. He said his focus was on pitching a good season.

  152. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    “Joba could have said that also, to begin with. Joba started it so I feel he deserved the reaction he got. He can talk about wanting to start in the offseason when he’s looking for a new job.”

    He’s a 27 year old who suffered a career threatening injury last season, who may have one chance to secure his future. The manager and GM are older, presumably more mature (?), and have reached their career end states. So their respective situations are not the same, and the older two should have known better.

  153. randy l. February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    “Posada wants Sanchez to be more disciplined and come to camp in shape. Ouch.”

    not only was posada a better catcher than girardi, he’d be a better manager too :)

  154. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Joba could have said that also, to begin with. Joba started it so I feel he deserved the reaction he got. He can talk about wanting to start in the offseason when he’s looking for a new job.

    He was asked if he thinks he can still start. What should he have said,”No I suck”. He said his focus was on pitching a good season.
    ————–

    Actually, according to Meredith Marokovitz during the broadcast Joba was asked about closing once Rivera retires or if he got hurt. The starting talk was unprompted. It was “Yeah I can close…I can also start” type of deal.

  155. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Jorgie is a preparation disciplinarian and has a tremendous work ethic. He takes his teaching seriously and should be instilling in the kid solid habits. I wouldn’t expect anything less from Po.

  156. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    FWIW – I think that just as much as they are looking for an OF the Yankees are also going to see about utility infield options that might shake loose towards the end of the spring. It was something they wanted to upgrade this winter and didn’t.

  157. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Actually, according to Meredith Marokovitz during the broadcast Joba was asked about closing once Rivera retires or if he got hurt. The starting talk was unprompted. It was “Yeah I can close…I can also start” type of deal.

    It was not unprompted. As Chad said he was asked about his ultimate aspirations.

  158. jmills February 27th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    YF, the kids need to be told sometimes in certain and uncertain ways. Try having a daughter run your life :)

  159. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    If a 7th inning guys ultimate aspiration is to remain a 7th inning guy, you might question what the heck he is talking about

  160. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Michael Weiner, leader of MLB Players Association, says his staff has talked to Alex Rodriguez about link to Biogenesis

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2M8F9avA1

  161. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    jacksquat February 27th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
    not a bad strategy, really.

    ————————

    What he could have said what I like most about Joba is he just wants to help the team in anyway possible and he’s focused on helping the team out of the pen and contributing.

    Joba could have said that also, to begin with. Joba started it so I feel he deserved the reaction he got. He can talk about wanting to start in the offseason when he’s looking for a new job.
    ————-

    I want to give Cashman and Girardi some benefit of the doubt – they’re frustrated and this was something out of left field that they didn’t want to deal with so they joked it off…but the problem is that Cashman especially has been a real tool as of late.

    He ripped Soriano the day the team signed him

    He mocked Cano and Boras when the two of them said they were interested in talking long term extension two years ago.

    He basically negotiated the Derek Jeter contract in the media.

    It’s just asinine what he’s done lately…there are more examples but I want to watch Montgomery pitch…

    Kahne to Montgomery – I can see this working for the next 6 years in the Bronx.

  162. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    jacksquat February 27th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
    not a bad strategy, really.

    ————————

    What he could have said what I like most about Joba is he just wants to help the team in anyway possible and he’s focused on helping the team out of the pen and contributing.

    Joba could have said that also, to begin with. Joba started it so I feel he deserved the reaction he got. He can talk about wanting to start in the offseason when he’s looking for a new job.

    ——

    He was asked what was his ultimate aspiration and he gave an honest answer.

  163. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    I wish they could get Posada on the staff….he’d be an asset….he was as much the captain of the Yankees as Jeter was

  164. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Hey that was a darn good throw by Cervelli

  165. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    If Cervelli can play defense then there is really no question who the catcher should be because he can hit way better than Stewart….

  166. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    RAB suggests someone will give Joba 2 years $10M to start.

    I think that’s probably fair. It wouldn’t be so much money that a team would feel like they’re wasting money if they have to shift him back into the pen….jeeze Culver can throw….It wouldn’t shock me if Joba’s agents try to work some incentives into their or a vesting option based on games started…something like that. As Kenny said, starting games and finishing games, that’s where the money is for pitchers.

  167. Yankee Trader February 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Nice throw by Cervelli to Culver to nab runner who walked after Montgomery had an 0-2 count.

    Cervelli looks much better framing pitches-no more fidgeting and constant movement.

  168. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Stewart is below replacement level.

  169. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Montgomery’s slider is in fact real good…..I do worry how his fastball will play in the big leagues though……the slider may not play as good against big leagues hitters who won’t have as much trouble with the heat as guys in the minors do.

  170. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    I wouldn’t mind Posada on the staff. It would be good seeing him around.

  171. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    I wish they could get Posada on the staff….he’d be an asset….he was as much the captain of the Yankees as Jeter was
    ————

    Not with Girardi managing.

  172. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    “Cervelli looks much better framing pitches-no more fidgeting and constant movement.”

    He does look quieter and just better defensively in general…..maybe the PEDs are giving him confidence!

    either way….if he can play defense then he needs to be the primary catcher

  173. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Almonte has to be the choice in LF….

  174. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “{Not with Girardi managing.”

    I know the narrative of their relationship…..but I don’t know what it truly is…..but Jorge will get in somebody’s grill if they aren’t doing what they are supposed and will speak his mind…..if he’s interested then they should get him on the payroll doing something.

  175. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    I think spending the year in AAA might have done Cervelli a world of good – never hurts to be humbled. I still think that Austin Romine will win the job.

  176. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “Almonte has to be the choice in LF….”

    RF but yes…they need to give him a strong look at least vs RHP

  177. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    “I think spending the year in AAA might have done Cervelli a world of good – never hurts to be humbled. ”

    Cashman said a few years ago, when they first called him up, that they rushed him, and it showed.

  178. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    I still think that Austin Romine will win the job.

    ——————–

    But Romine has options left the other guys don’t.

  179. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “{Not with Girardi managing.”

    I know the narrative of their relationship…..but I don’t know what it truly is…..but Jorge will get in somebody’s grill if they aren’t doing what they are supposed and will speak his mind…..if he’s interested then they should get him on the payroll doing something.
    —————

    The team is missing that Larry Bowa type. I just don’t think Girardi wants Posada to be that guy.

    Though I would like to re-organize at least one aspect of the coaching staff. Rob Thomson did his best work for the Yankees when he was in charge of “quality control” as the team’s field coordinator. Get him off 3b (no you can’t bring in Willie – and Bowa won’t come back) and back to doing what he did best.

    Goes back to the conversation I was having last night – allocate your coaching resources in the best way possible to maximize the development of the prospects and the information available to the major leaguers.

  180. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    I think the Yanks are gonna send Romine to AAA unless he just looks like Buster Posey the rest of the spring…..they will want to keep all 3 for depth and Stewie and Cervy don’t have options. Hopefully Romine will hit in AAA and they can save a year of service time and bring him up sometime in the summer…..

  181. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “Almonte has to be the choice in LF….”

    RF but yes…they need to give him a strong look at least vs RHP
    ————

    Well Ichiro’s going to play RF so Almonte would have to play LF unless they decide to move Ichiro for the month. I don’t know if he can hit major league pitching right now – it would be a heck of a jump for him…but he looks like he has a solid idea at the plate and can field.

  182. austinmac February 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    I haven’t seen Almonte hit from the right side, but I like how he looks from the left. Give him a real shot.

  183. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    I think the Yanks are gonna send Romine to AAA unless he just looks like Buster Posey the rest of the spring…..they will want to keep all 3 for depth and Stewie and Cervy don’t have options. Hopefully Romine will hit in AAA and they can save a year of service time and bring him up sometime in the summer…..
    —————

    Probably…though I don’t think there’s really any difference between Stewart and Bobby Wilson if Stewart were to get claimed on waivers or decide to not accept minor league assignment.

  184. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    “Well Ichiro’s going to play RF so Almonte would have to play LF unless they decide to move Ichiro for the month.”

    yes they would move Ichiro IMO

  185. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Goes back to the conversation I was having last night – allocate your coaching resources in the best way possible to maximize the development of the prospects and the information available to the major leaguers.

    ———————–

    Is there a uniform message within the organization. Not sure if anyone can answer that question:

    Like this is the way we play defense, run the bases, steal bases, pitch, etc. Similar to how the Angels instructed their players to play a certain way so when they made it to the bigs they were in line with how Michael Scioscia manages.

  186. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Cervelli could hit enough to be a big league starter IMO…..if his defense has improved to an acceptable level then he should play most days.

  187. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Almonte should play RF; Ichiro LF. LF will be trouble for Almonte at NYS.

  188. austinmac February 27th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    I think they would put Ichiro in the larger left field. But, then I never know what they will do.

  189. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    “I think spending the year in AAA might have done Cervelli a world of good – never hurts to be humbled. ”

    Cashman said a few years ago, when they first called him up, that they rushed him, and it showed.
    ——————–

    But this is not to say that Cervelli will ever be a long term starting option behind the plate. Just that he looks a little more comfortable back there than he did.

    Also, and this is pure speculation, but he could finally be back to feeling good after the concussions.

  190. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick
    McCarthy got Hamilton on called 3rd strike before blowing FB past Votto and Ludwick. Very impressive. #dbacks

    really wanted the Yankees to sign him

  191. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Flores need to take control there and catch that ball…..

  192. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Mark Bowman ?@mlbbowman
    Graham just registered 102 on the stadium gun here.

  193. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    YT, as per my 2:47 post, I meant to write that Almonte played mostly RF in Trenton, but played all three OF positions. But doubt we’ll ever see him in CF, except in an emergency.

  194. randy l. February 27th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    blake , i don’t like cervelli’s baseball personality, but i said earlier in the winter as long as he can throw again, which he proved he could last year at AAA, cervelli should be the starter.

    he will at some point as the starting catcher he’ll get hot and have some nice looking numbers.

    at his high water mark, trade him :)

  195. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    blake, missed it RE: Flores. What was the play?

  196. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    “But this is not to say that Cervelli will ever be a long term starting option behind the plate. Just that he looks a little more comfortable back there than he did.”

    That’s not even necessary at this point, if they can finally develop that option down the line. They just need a credible a placeholder. He’s the best immediate candidate.

  197. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Wasn’t the big thing that Cervy worked on, trying to quiet his (hyper) self down behind the plate?

  198. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Goes back to the conversation I was having last night – allocate your coaching resources in the best way possible to maximize the development of the prospects and the information available to the major leaguers.

    ———————–

    Is there a uniform message within the organization. Not sure if anyone can answer that question:

    Like this is the way we play defense, run the bases, steal bases, pitch, etc. Similar to how the Angels instructed their players to play a certain way so when they made it to the bigs they were in line with how Michael Scioscia manages.
    ————–

    Just using pitchers as an example:

    My thought was that you go out and hire the best “pitching guru” that you can find. Let’s just use Dave Duncan as an example. You let him draw up an organizational philosophy on how to develop pitchers (throw more, strictly follow pitch counts, whatever). Let him hire all the minor league pitching coaches.

    During the winter, he would sit with all the internal scouts and his coaches, watch video on the top arms in the system and then meet with them to develop an individual development plan for the season. At least once during the year (unless they are in the majors) each of those pitchers would spend a few days assigned to Tampa so that this guru could evaluate their progress, tinker with the plan as needed.

    You can do the same thing with position players by hiring an organizational hitting instructor. I would also take a guy like Rob Thomson and have him lead the internal scouting of the organization. He was fantastic at scouting opponents for the Yankees, let him do it internally.

    I don’t know if that answers your question or not. But that’s how I would go about building organizational philosophies and best practices for player development.

  199. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    blake, missed it RE: Flores. What was the play?

    Shallow fly to LF, the SS ran out for it and Flores pulled up because he didnt want to run into the SS and the ball fell in. Had he been running all the way he woulda had it.

  200. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Flores need to take control there and catch that ball…..
    —————–

    I’ve heard him positively compared to Bobby Abreu offensively – there he looked like Abreu defensively.

  201. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    “Wasn’t the big thing that Cervy worked on, trying to quiet his (hyper) self down behind the plate?”

    Drugs might help. Oh wait… ;)

  202. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    But that’s how I would go about building organizational philosophies and best practices for player development.

    ———————-

    It’s something we lack in terms of developing talent. My understanding is that within the organization we are sure to make all of our guys (whether it be at single A or AAA) in the mindset that they are Yankees. I think more of the focus is on PR and how to stay out of trouble, tbh. More like mental development over physical development. They need to get it together.

  203. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Filthy!!

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....y-2-82948/

  204. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    But that’s how I would go about building organizational philosophies and best practices for player development.

    ———————-

    It’s something we lack in terms of developing talent. My understanding is that within the organization we are sure to make all of our guys (whether it be at single A or AAA) in the mindset that they are Yankees. I think more of the focus is on PR and how to stay out of trouble, tbh. More like mental development over physical development. They need to get it together.
    —————

    and I get the importance of teaching these kids how to conduct yourselves as Yankees. So I would like to have a former Yankee player serving on the coaching staff at every minor league level, whether that’s Luis Sojo and Marcus Thames in Tampa, Butch Wynegar in Scranton, Justin Pope in Staten Island, Tommy Phelps with Trenton, or PJ Pillitere and Danny Borrell with Charleston.

  205. yankfan1 February 27th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    that OBP will get Flores to the majors one day

  206. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Stewart might not be much of a catcher but based on what he just said about Turley to Markovitz he might someday make a heck of a coach.

  207. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    “blake, missed it RE: Flores. What was the play?”

    little bloop fly behind SS he kinda gave up on….nothing major but he should have probably caught it.

  208. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Can someone elaborate a bit more on this thing with Posada and Sanchez? Did they interview Posada during the game (a ridiculous ritual of ST games).

  209. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Culver overmatched …..

  210. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Chip – I agree it’s important.. very important. I’m just not sure why it never occurred to them that they could/should be doing both. Pipelining, development, succession planning.. I mean.. this is just business 101.

  211. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand
    Slade Heathcottt’s read two bios on Mickey Mantle http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....-heathcott

    Slade Slade Slade……I liked the other day when I think the Jays announcer said that Slade Heathcott sounded like a Superhero’s alias

  212. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Culver overmatched …..
    —————-

    Can’t really be shocked by that – he was playing in Low A ball last year. He’s only in big league camp because of Derek’s injury and the fact that Ibarra and Velasquez are both going to the WBC.

  213. randy l. February 27th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    “Stewart might not be much of a catcher but based on what he just said about Turley to Markovitz he might someday make a heck of a coach”

    definitely coaching material.

  214. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Sounds like a good plan it’s the reason why many of us wanted Duncan yrs ago because there would be a philosophy to the development of growth of their prospects.

  215. jacksquat February 27th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    “Joba could have said that also, to begin with. Joba started it so I feel he deserved the reaction he got. He can talk about wanting to start in the offseason when he’s looking for a new job.”

    He’s a 27 year old who suffered a career threatening injury last season, who may have one chance to secure his future. The manager and GM are older, presumably more mature (?), and have reached their career end states. So their respective situations are not the same, and the older two should have known better.

    He inflicted that injury upon himself. He is also not a child, even if he acts like one.

    He’s also not the child of anyone here, even though some act like it.

    Cash and Joe don’t need to be answering questions about Joba starting for the zillionth time when they have other things to worry about, so it should be no surprise that they blew it off the way they did.

    Some people will just jump on any opportunity they can to hate on Cashman/Girardi and take great pleasure in doing so.

  216. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    I think the Yankee minor league infielders are going to be busy doing fielding practice tomorrow morning.

  217. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    wallace matthews ?@ESPNNYYankees
    Tex: Fight against PEDs is personal http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....s-personal

    love that Wally’s twitter avitar went from a picture of Youk’s face to a shirtless Jeter…..that kinda an extreme change

  218. randy l. February 27th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    “Wasn’t the big thing that Cervy worked on, trying to quiet his (hyper) self down behind the plate?”

    yankeefeminista-

    i though that there was no way he could be a back up to martin throwing as bad he he was. he was in the bottom 2-3 catchers for throwing out runners for a couple of years in a row.

    there’s no way a back up who is supposed to be good defensively can do that and stay in the big leagues.

    that said, i think some pitchers wanted to smack him because he was so animated back there , so it was probably a combination of both.

    people forget but cervelli is probably one concussion away of being in concussion trouble. there was speculation when he had the last bad one that it could be career threatening.

    let the kid play. he might have a short career as it is.

  219. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Culver very good defense

  220. blake February 27th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “Culver very good defense”

    yea he’s sick with the glove and has a rocket arm…..noodle bat though at least from the left side.

  221. G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    jacksquat,

    Do you think Girardi & Cashman’s retorts yesterday were laced were sarcasm or were they sincerely well thought out responses to the Joba question when asked?

    Your answer will reveal a lot about whether you wear permanently pinstriped goggles or are actually a living thinking being because there is no way you can spin their reactions as anything short of sarcastic and caustic.

    And my follow up to that is, you’re fine with having sarcastic know it alls who talk down to the fans and media at the helm?

    If so, why does it bother you when fans act the same way?

  222. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    “He inflicted that injury upon himself. He is also not a child, even if he acts like one.

    He’s also not the child of anyone here, even though some act like it.”

    He had an accident playing with his kid. He didn’t self-mutilate a body part.

    Cashman’s BS rant about people who hate HR getting their wish about was childish as well.

    The point you’d expect 40 somethings to know better.

    “Cash and Joe don’t need to be answering questions about Joba starting for the zillionth time when they have other things to worry about, so it should be no surprise that they blew it off the way they did.”

    Then say nothing. Don’t diss the guy gratuitously.

    “Some people will just jump on any opportunity they can to hate on Cashman/Girardi and take great pleasure in doing so. ”

    Some people, like yourself, defend Cashman, no matter what.

    And btw, I get no pleasure watching this team being dismantled without the mL talent that Cashman promised since 2006.

  223. jacksquat February 27th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    G.Love, of course it was sarcasm. I would probably be sarcastic also if asked for the millionth time about Joba starting.

  224. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Maybe P. Gammons can talk up how good Cito is because he can play defense…..hes basically Iglesias

  225. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Austin just looks like a hitter in the box….I like his set up….get in to one here Tyler

  226. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    nice little inside out single for Austin….stayed inside the ball….

  227. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Ken Davidoff ?@KenDavidoff
    7,677 paid attendance at #Yankees game today. Capacity 11,076. Times have changed. #Orioles

  228. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 27th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Maybe P. Gammons can talk up how good Cito is because he can play defense…..hes basically Iglesias

    *******

    Pay no attention to the walks Culver draws – pay no attention to them or the man behind the curtain – - – -

    This is Stoneburner, reporting from Ceti Alpha V, with the wax poetic minute – - – -

  229. MG February 27th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    One of the things that irritates me about this blog is that if a player doesn’t blossom it’s always the fault of the Yankees organization and never the player.

    I was as big a fan of Chamberlain as anyone when he came up and wanted him in the rotation but the fact is that even if they left him there he would have most likely needed Tommy John surgery and had to start over anyway. And I don’t think the stupid trampoline accident would have been avoided if he was a starter either.

    My take on Chamberlain is that he doesn’t work hard enough at his craft and the Yankees decided it was better to get something out of him in the bullpen than in the rotation.

    He’s acted immaturely most of his time with the Yankees (DUI, accident and probably things we don’t know about)-Hughes and Nova haven’t done that with the exception of Hughes not staying in shape after his 1st full year and he took on a much better off season work ethic immediately.

    Chamberlain is probably just another case of a pitcher with great stuff who didn’t make an impact in the majors-the way the Yankees worked his innings limits was dumb but isn’t an excuse for a guy not working as hard as possible on his craft.

  230. G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    jacksqaut,

    As long as you see the responses are sarcastic, I know you’re real and not a bot sent here from the future by Cashman.

    Phew.

  231. MG February 27th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
    Ken Davidoff ?@KenDavidoff
    7,677 paid attendance at #Yankees game today. Capacity 11,076. Times have changed. #Orioles
    ———————-
    tickets were available on Stub Hub for $12 a couple of days ago…

  232. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Chamberlain is going to be a starter for some club next year, and if he’s decent the Yanks are going to look pretty dumb.

  233. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    I can’t believe how expensive Yankees tickets are online.
    Individual tickets just went on sale and since I have a trip to NYC in April, you know
    I have to see at least 1 game. Once I saw the prices, can I even afford to see 1 game??
    WOW!!

  234. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Ken Davidoff ?@KenDavidoff
    7,677 paid attendance at #Yankees game today. Capacity 11,076. Times have changed. #Orioles

    —————–

    Lol, the media is going to love laying into the Yanks in April-June and maybe beyond over the empty lower bowl.

  235. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Is Ceti Alpha V a frat house…?

    Do girls get in free?

  236. G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    MG,

    I’ve been hard on Joba for some of the immaturity issues in the past. I also felt when they made him a starter, he took his foot off the gas and was just trying to get through the season. It’s like he reined in the beast too much.

    I used to blame Joba a lot for that, but Eiland was a horrible pitching coach. He played favorites. He also, like Girardi with catchers, preferred pitchers who had his kind of demeanor and ability as a player.

    Years later I can see that Joba was in the process of developing as a SP. The Yankees got in the way of that I think a little more than he got in the way of that if we’re counting.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Hughes was given coaches son status in the rotation over Joba.

    Yes, Joba was immature and was a knucklehead at times, but they gave up on it too soon to transition him into a 7th inning guy. They just did. 7th inning guys grow on trees. And when we had Soriano, Joba was the 6th inning guy. The fact when Soriano was here and Mo was healthy that Joba wasn’t pushed to start again in borderline inexplicable.

    It’s all going to be moot. He’s either going to be resigned to be our closer or he’ll go start somewhere else.

    I love Drob, but I don’t think he profiles as the next closer of the Yankees.

  237. jacksquat February 27th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    I don’t defend Cashman no matter what, ffs, who are you, JAP? You going to call me a “Yankee Apologist” now too?

    Some people are always negative about Cashman and another perspective needs to be presented.

    Trying to present it as Joba has no responsibility and management needs to act like adults is just stupid. Maybe Joba needs to grow up? He could have easily dismissed that question by saying “I’m not thinking about starting now, I’m a reliever this year and I plan to do the best I can at that”. Instead he also throws in how many pitches he has and still thinks he can be a starter. He even said he knew he could be stirring up sh!t again! You reap what you sow.

  238. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Whats funny is that Iglesias and Culver have near identical minor league OPS

  239. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    My take on Chamberlain is that he doesn’t work hard enough at his craft and the Yankees decided it was better to get something out of him in the bullpen than in the rotation.

    —————–

    Problem is the same could be said of Phil, who came into camp in awful shape after a solid season… to the point where he basically ended up losing half a year.

  240. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
    Chamberlain is going to be a starter for some club next year, and if he’s decent the Yanks are going to look pretty dumb.
    ———————————————————————————————————
    The Yankees have already given Joba his chance to be a starter.
    The 4.75 ERA and the lack of velocity were all the team needed to see. What else could
    have been done? Nothing.
    Joba is best served in the pen.
    If another team gives him a chance as a starter, that team will see some good performances, maybe a great one, but mix in a lot of poor performances as well.
    Don’t get it twisted. No chance Joba could ever be more than a 5th starter.

  241. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    “Pay no attention to the walks Culver draws – pay no attention to them or the man behind the curtain – – – ”

    .321 OBP in A ball where lots of pitchers can’t throw strikes…..gotta swing the bat at some point

  242. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    And plenty of vets get DUI’s btw… Should we deem Pineda immature forever because he did the same? I do believe in personal responsibility, but an org is like a parent.. you need to figure out what makes guys tick and get the best out of them.

  243. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    “One of the things that irritates me about this blog is that if a player doesn’t blossom it’s always the fault of the Yankees organization and never the player.”

    I agree with this notion to some degree…..and a lot of the development talk about the Yankees is BS IMO….but I do think they screwed up with Joba and while some of it is always on the player……they haven’t done a great job with putting him in a position to have success……

  244. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    The 4.75 ERA and the lack of velocity were all the team needed to see. What else could
    have been done? Nothing.

    ?? He threw 92.5 mph, which is about where Hughes gets it, and that was a year removed from shoulder injury. What else could have been done? Uh keeping him in the rotation?

    Nova just put up a horrendous 5 ERA in an EASIER pitching climate! Send him to the salt mines.

  245. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    Whats funny is that Iglesias and Culver have near identical minor league OPS

    and one made MLBnetwords top 100…..Iglesias is a great defender….but Culver is too from what I’ve seen and the reports

  246. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    David O’Brien ?@ajcbraves
    The Graham fastball that showed 102 on stadium gun reading was actually a still-quite-impressive 99 mph. #Braves had own gun on him

    Grahmam is a little dude to throw that hard

  247. G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Please don’t compare Tito Calver to Jose Iglesias. Iglesias was carved from marble & granite by the baseball Gods to grab every errant baseball with the grace of Baryshnikov. He’s too good to start for the Red Sox. The Boston owners feared fans would weep at his slightest movements in the field and be unable to watch games live.

  248. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Jerk
    Unfair to compare Hughes/Joba/Nova.
    If you do that, then you can probably convince yourself of just about everything.

    Joba was not an effective starter. He is a much better pitcher out of the pen.
    Hughes had a great year as a reliever, but he’s also been good as a starter.
    I don’t think anybody would categorize Joba as a “good starter”.
    Nova again has been a “good” starter and he also finished poorly to end last season.
    With that being said, both Nova and Hughes have performed far better than Joba as
    a starter to date.

  249. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    “Some people are always negative about Cashman and another perspective needs to be presented.”

    This is almost entirely false.

    People who are critical of him give him credit for the A-Rod trade, for the Mussina, CC , and Kuroda signings, for the Swisher trade, for developing Cano and Robertson on his watch, and some nice minor moves, and most importantly, for recommending against re-signing A-Rod when he opted out.

    That still leaves Pavano, AJ, Vazquez twice, not having made a good trade for a top of the rotation starter in over a decade, for not fulfilling his promise to have a mL pipeline of talent when he got more power in 2006, including saying that he would never have to sign another team’s expensive FA starter again, for not having developed a top of the rotation starter, for trading away the young cost-controlled offense that was needed when it was obvious that this team was aging/declining, for signing Tex instead of Holliday, for saying that he had offense to spare a year ago when he traded Montero, when it was obvious that their offense would be vulnerable by now, with no mL bats ready to fill in.

    It’s the apologists who offer no balance.

  250. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Flores takes his walks like Abreu…

  251. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    “The Yankees have already given Joba his chance to be a starter.”

    Joba has the stuff to succeed as a starter. The Yanks didn’t use him as one, maybe they didn’t need him to be one, maybe the injuries, whatever.

    It doesn’t matter, if Joba starts somewhere else – and he will – and succeeds, the Yanks are going to look pretty dumb.

  252. G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    I will say this for Joba vs. Hughes as a starter. Take Hughes’ best start and compare it against Joba vs. the Red Sox & Beckett and as a starter and there’s no comparison. That was our glimpse of what a homegrown ace could look like. The only time I remember Hughes looking that dominant was a rookie in Texas when he pulled the hammy.

  253. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Joba was not an effective starter. He is a much better pitcher out of the pen.
    Hughes had a great year as a reliever, but he’s also been good as a starter.
    Nova again has been a “good” starter and he also finished poorly to end last season.
    With that being said, both Nova and Hughes have performed far better than Joba as
    a starter to date.

    By what are you measuring this? Because no, its absolutely not true. Joba was given 1.3 seasons as a starter. Hughes has been given 5 or 6? Joba as a starter: Career 4.18 ERA Hughes: 4.68 Nova: 4.41

    Why was Hughes allowed to keep starting after 2008? Why is Nova still in there after 2012?

    ANY pitcher is better in the bullpen. Hughes was a better reliever than Joba ever was out of the pen in 09!

    He was a kid, who only got 1 full LIMITED season of starting thanks to the Joba Rules and the Yankees inability to build up innings for their pitchers. He should have been a starter in 2010.

  254. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    jacksquat February 27th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
    Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    “Joba could have said that also, to begin with. Joba started it so I feel he deserved the reaction he got. He can talk about wanting to start in the offseason when he’s looking for a new job.”

    He’s a 27 year old who suffered a career threatening injury last season, who may have one chance to secure his future. The manager and GM are older, presumably more mature (?), and have reached their career end states. So their respective situations are not the same, and the older two should have known better.

    Cash and Joe don’t need to be answering questions about Joba starting for the zillionth time when they have other things to worry about, so it should be no surprise that they blew it off the way they did.

    Some people will just jump on any opportunity they can to hate on Cashman/Girardi and take great pleasure in doing so.
    ——————-

    You mean like successfully developing pitchers something they have failed to dop since the took over

    Not hating just pointing out how petty they are. When it comes to them they play favorites and cast the other guys aside.

    When he(Kennedy) was here: The next Mussina. He’s so polished and poised. – Cashman. But he struggles and he has “attitude problems.” They trade him away and he succeeds with the D’backs. But instead of saying we knew Kennedy had it in him Cashman says he’s an NL pitcher.

  255. MG February 27th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Prices for Spring training dropped again the past two days, section 211 is right behind home plate…

    Atlanta Braves at New York Yankees Spring Training at George Steinbrenner Field, Tampa, FL
    Tue, 03/05/2013, 7:05 p.m. EST
    (Event time subject to change – Check local listings)
    Upper Reserved 211 | 2 tickets
    Row P | Seats 14, 15
    Billing info
    Price per ticket: $8.00
    Quantity: x 2
    Subtotal: $16.00
    Service fee: + $2.00
    Delivery services: + $4.00

    Order total: $22.00

  256. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Throwing a complete game with 8Ks 1ER and beating Verlander ain’t enough to be called dominant?

  257. G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    “On July 25, 2008 Chamberlain threw 7 shutout innings against the Red Sox, out dueling Red Sox ace Josh Beckett, allowing only 3 hits and striking out 9. The Yankees won the game 1–0″

    That was the glimpse of the Ace we were all waiting for.

  258. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
    I will say this for Joba vs. Hughes as a starter. Take Hughes’ best start and compare it against Joba vs. the Red Sox & Beckett and as a starter and there’s no comparison. That was our glimpse of what a homegrown ace could look like. The only time I remember Hughes looking that dominant was a rookie in Texas when he pulled the hammy.

    ———————–

    What about that start in Arlington back in I think 09 for Hughes.

  259. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    AAO
    Kennedy is indeed an NL pitcher.
    What argument would you have against that?
    Kennedy was awful as a Yankee. He goes to the other league, faces weaker hitters
    and he thrived. Kennedy is not the 1st to do that and won’t be the last.
    Funny how Kennedy went from winning 20 games in AZ to having a terrible season the next.
    Inconsistent: That same word can be used to describe Joba as a starter, if he was given another chance by Yankees or any other team

  260. G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    RadioKev,

    I think Joba’s start in Fenway vs. Beckett & Red Sox in 2008 was a tougher task the Hughes dominating the Tigers.

    That’s just me, but I’ve seen too many of our great pitchers walk into Fenway in that scenario in the past and need the manager to visit them before the 5th.

  261. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    GLove – Hughes did have that one phenomenal start last year against Detroit.

    The reason this argument sucks is because most of us still love Phil. I think that faux competition for the 5th spot a few years back just left a sour taste in a lot of people’s mouths.

  262. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    that team will see some good performances, maybe a great one, but mix in a lot of poor performances as well.

    ————————-

    You basically described the career of Phil Hughes

  263. joeman February 27th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    joba pitch well this year then goodbye..

  264. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    ?@WhitlockJason

    Hypothetically speaking, if u were Heisman runnerup and your draft stock was crashing, what drugs would u take n prep 4 your Pro Day?

    ——————

    Hehehehehe…

  265. randy l. February 27th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    “The Yankees have already given Joba his chance to be a starter.”

    the beauty of free enterprise, free country america is that joba will be free after this summer to make up his own mind about his life.

    it doesn’t make a difference what cashman thinks about it.

  266. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Good at bat from Austin. He definitely seems ticketed for the bigs. Mature approach.

  267. G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Shame,

    It doesn’t need to be a contentious argument. The only reason it tends to go that way is because the Yankees supported Phil more than Joba in the end as a starting pitcher when they should’ve been supporting both instead of making it an either/or situation in my eyes.

    They created the “competition”.

  268. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    MG February 27th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Prices for Spring training dropped again the past two days

    ——————

    Buying tickets to games (ST or regular season) is for the birds.

    Just don’t do it people. StubHub is (mostly) your friend.

  269. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    “Funny how Kennedy went from winning 20 games in AZ to having a terrible season the next.”

    Huh? He wasn’t great, but he pitched to a slightly above average ERA+ of 103. Hughes’ ERA+ last year was 99 just for comparison.

  270. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    MG February 27th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    One of the things that irritates me about this blog is that if a player doesn’t blossom it’s always the fault of the Yankees organization and never the player.

    —————–

    Yankees take part of the blame but the Yankees take most of it. They were in charge of his development.

  271. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    http://crashburnalley.com/2013.....nic-brown/

    Some breakdown of Dom Brown’s swing change.

  272. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “Yankees take part of the blame but the Yankees take most of it. They were in charge of his development.”

    Context matters. The Yankees don’t have a good record of prospect development, so it’s hard to sign a lot of blame to players. Guys like IPK, AJack, and Melky blossomed when they left.

  273. G. Love February 27th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    For the record I don’t think the Yankees screwed up Kennedy. I also don’t think they screwed up guys like Karstens who have gone on to have careers in the league.

    I don’t think they screwed up Tyler Clippard. I just wish they had the foresight to make him a reliever first instead of trading him for Jonathan Albalabooboo.

  274. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “Please don’t compare Tito Calver to Jose Iglesias. Iglesias was carved from marble & granite by the baseball Gods to grab every errant baseball with the grace of Baryshnikov. He’s too good to start for the Red Sox. The Boston owners feared fans would weep at his slightest movements in the field and be unable to watch games live.”

    ;) See Iglesias is the man and we don’t even know that it’s CITO! not Tito

  275. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    “Good at bat from Austin. He definitely seems ticketed for the bigs. Mature approach”

    he may have the highest floor of all of them…..

  276. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Warning Track Power February 27th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
    AAO
    Kennedy is indeed an NL pitcher.
    What argument would you have against that?
    Kennedy was awful as a Yankee. He goes to the other league, faces weaker hitters
    and he thrived. Kennedy is not the 1st to do that and won’t be the last.
    Funny how Kennedy went from winning 20 games in AZ to having a terrible season the next.
    Inconsistent: That same word can be used to describe Joba as a starter, if he was given another chance by Yankees or any other team

    ———————

    Well if Cashman looks down on the NL why is a number of his trades or free agent pick-ups from the NL. Hell Kuroda is from the same division Kennedy pitches in. It was another case of Brian being petty.

  277. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    So Cashman wasted a draft pick on a future NL pitcher lol smh

  278. RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    There’s definitely something to be said for that, Blake.

  279. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Thanks for the link on Browns JF….noticeably shorter to the ball and noticeably better extension…..he destroyed that ball yesterday

  280. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Kennedy pitched perfectly well in 2007. A 1.89 ERA in some september starts. He stunk in 2008, ok, but it was only 40 innings. Condemn a guy on 40 innings?

    It is unfortunate he had that aneurism in 09, because he definitely would have been in the majors at some point that season. He missed his shot. He would have been just fine pitching in the AL.

  281. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
    “Yankees take part of the blame but the Yankees take most of it. They were in charge of his development.”

    Context matters. The Yankees don’t have a good record of prospect development, so it’s hard to sign a lot of blame to players. Guys like IPK, AJack, and Melky blossomed when they left.

    ——————

    Exactly.

    Joba takes the blame for coming into camp out of shape, being stubborn, shaking off his catcher, etc.

  282. blake February 27th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    RadioKev February 27th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
    There’s definitely something to be said for that, Blake.

    yup…..his bat should make him a big leaguer….now in what capacity is up to him

  283. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Hughes & Nova are each better starter’s than Joba.
    That’s really all that matters.

  284. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Hughes & Nova are each better starter’s than Joba.

    -

    Why?

  285. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    I mean basically, since you’re offering nothing in reply, I can just retort: No, you’re wrong, Joba can be as good as either. Thats all you’re doing.

  286. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Well, it is true that Nova and Hughes are starters and Joba isn’t, so it’s kind of self-reinforcing without testing.

  287. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Jerk
    Why?
    Because Joba only has command of 2 pitches & because he is unable to sustain his velocity
    as a starter.

    Joba can talk about how he can command 4 pitches, but he would need to prove that to me
    and a lot of Yankees fans before any of us is convinced.

    Let me see Joba go to that change-up with a 3-2 count, bases loaded and 2 outs. Throw that pitch Joba for a strike and we’ll see.
    Instead he will either throw the fastball or the slider(off the plate) for a ball.

  288. Wave Your Hat February 27th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    “Well, it is true that Nova and Hughes are starters and Joba isn’t, so it’s kind of self-reinforcing without testing.”

    Well, it will be tested starting 2014.

  289. MG February 27th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    I don’t think Kennedy stunk as a Yankee-he could pitch effectively in the AL, it isn’t like every starter in the AL throws 95+ or gets bombed.

    As for Chamberlain, his last 4 starts in 2009 before the pitch counts and innings limits took over weren’t good-he gave up 19 earned runs in 20 innings. This, coming after a 3 start stretch where he gave up 2 runs in 22 innings was very strange.

    At the end of the day, it’s on both the Chamberlain and the Yankees for him not succeeding as a starter, my point is that it’s both, not just the team.

  290. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Joba needs to worry about keeping his spot in the pen before he gets passed up by
    Aardsma or someone else.

    I still can’t believe Joba started this controversy & had the guts to say he can command
    4 pitchers.
    Yeah right!
    Not as of last year. I hope things will change and he can actually throw his curve for a strike and remember he has a change up.

  291. Shame Spencer February 27th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Actually, Joba had/has a pretty good arsenal. He definitely had more pitches working for him than Phil. Phil’s changed his repertoire more times than I can count and not always for the better.

  292. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    “Well, it will be tested starting 2014.”

    Well, that will suck.

  293. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 27th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Joba.Has.Not.Been.Consistently.The.Same.Since.This.Happened:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    Gosh, I love this place (by love I mean dislike) – same silly stances after all of these years, these silly agendas, waxing longing poetics for players long gone or no longer in a role, not appreciating the team that is there versus the team their spreadsheets want it to be)

    This is Stoneburner, reporting from permanent exile on Ceti Alpha V, with the wax poetic minute – - – -

  294. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Because Joba only has command of 2 pitches & because he is unable to sustain his velocity
    as a starter.

    Joba can talk about how he can command 4 pitches, but he would need to prove that to me
    and a lot of Yankees fans before any of us is convinced.

    Let me see Joba go to that change-up with a 3-2 count, bases loaded and 2 outs. Throw that pitch Joba for a strike and we’ll see.
    Instead he will either throw the fastball or the slider(off the plate) for a ball.

    Nova has command of 0 pitches, Hughes has command of 1 pitch. Joba actually has command of his curve & slider as well as any pitch you wanna hold up for either Nova / Hughes.

    Plus your whole thing is bogus. Joba can’t show you that because he isn’t a starter. In 2011 Nova , in a 3-2 count ONLY threw his fastball. He didn’t show anything more than Joba ever showed in that count. Hughes in 3-2 pretty much throws a fastball… and sometimes a curve. It has taken 6 years for Hughes to throw a variety of pitches in that count.

    Joba has always been held to a higher standard thanks to the Yankees dumb move of putting him in the bullpen and Jobas own success in that role.

  295. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    As for Chamberlain, his last 4 starts in 2009 before the pitch counts and innings limits took over weren’t good-he gave up 19 earned runs in 20 innings.

    —————–

    The rules kicked in right after his 3 terrific starts.

  296. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Joba’s shoulder injury, oh no, it turned him from a guy that throws way harder than Phil Hughes to someone that throws as hard as Phil Hughes with the potential to throw harder!

  297. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Jerk
    Since you say that Joba’s own success in the pen has been his demise as a starter, to me that means that Joba is better suited in the pen.

    THANK YOU!

    Listen, from what I have seen in Joba, Nova and Hughes, the least amount of faith I have in a starter is if Joba was on the mound.

  298. champ809 February 27th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    It’s amazing how ill-informed and slave to perception some on here can be.

    Joba was not “ineffective” as a starter. He’s made 43 starts go look at the game logs and tell me he was ineffective. He was most ineffective that 5 week period where the yanks idea of a start was a 2 inning 45 pitch start…It was the most asinine way to “limit” his innings.

    They should have done what the Nats did with Stras which is to let him throw regular starts until he hits his limit then shut him down til next season. The Yanks instead wanted to show the world how brilliant they were by inventing this program that would have had them message him through a shutdown period and then still have him available for the postseason. Dumb!!! When it blew up in their faces they basically blamed the 24yr old phenom and then took the easy road out and relegated him to the bullpen.

    The worst thing that happened to Joba was grabbing the bulls by the horns and ripping it’s headoff when the Yanks bullpen needs in ’07 created an opportunity for him to get that callup. It forever changed his career arc and screwed up his process. Joba was drafted as a SP and was being developed as a SP as he should have been 2 plus-plus pitches and 2 more above average to plus secondary pitches makes a #1 starter type not a 7th inning reliever. He blew away the world and Joba the reliever was created and it’s been his albatross ever since. He won’t begin to shed it until next season when he’s starting for another team.

    A guy who maintains plus-plus velo late in games like Joba has done as a starter doesn’t belong in the ‘pen.period.

  299. MG February 27th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
    As for Chamberlain, his last 4 starts in 2009 before the pitch counts and innings limits took over weren’t good-he gave up 19 earned runs in 20 innings.

    —————–

    The rules kicked in right after his 3 terrific starts.
    ———————
    not true, he threw the same number of pitches in those next 4 starts (90-105) that he had thrown during the whole season before that.

  300. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Since you say that Joba’s own success in the pen has been his demise as a starter, to me that means that Joba is better suited in the pen.

    THANK YOU!

    ==

    ?? No, I meant his original 07 debut. And seriously, look at Hughes in 09. Much better out of the pen than he has EVER shown as a starter.

    You’re illogical.

  301. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Stoneburner – The Return of Wax February 27th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    Joba.Has.Not.Been.Consistently.The.Same.Since.This.Happened:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl…..8;c_id=mlb

    Gosh, I love this place (by love I mean dislike) – same silly stances after all of these years, these silly agendas, waxing longing poetics for players long gone or no longer in a role, not appreciating the team that is there versus the team their spreadsheets want it to be)

    ————————-

    So why did they risk having him compete as a starter in ST 2010

  302. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Joba since going back to the pen in 2010 has actually been a pretty mediocre reliever! And a mediocre starter is way better than a mediocre reliever. The Yankees threw away that chance.

  303. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “The worst thing that happened to Joba was grabbing the bulls by the horns and ripping it’s headoff when the Yanks bullpen needs in ’07 created an opportunity for him to get that callup. It forever changed his career arc and screwed up his process.”

    I actually called this at the time (the stopped clock thing or whatever) that he would be so ridiculously good as a reliever (not hard to do given his stuff) and that it would probably end up with people being convinced that he should remain in the pen because Rivera, for all his greatness, has distorted how valuable a closer actually is compared to a top starter in some people’s minds.

  304. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    MG February 27th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
    As for Chamberlain, his last 4 starts in 2009 before the pitch counts and innings limits took over weren’t good-he gave up 19 earned runs in 20 innings.

    —————–

    The rules kicked in right after his 3 terrific starts.
    ———————
    not true, he threw the same number of pitches in those next 4 starts (90-105) that he had thrown during the whole season before that.

    —————–

    They gave him a long break right after the 3 game dominance and then short rest long rest, short rest, and then the 3-4 inning relief starts.

  305. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Yes Champ says exactly what I meant.

    Joba’s ferocious debut as a reliever ingrained the idea in everyone’s mind that he should throw 98 every pitch, be lights out, and whatever. Unlike Hughes, whose even more dominant relief stint is somehow under the radar, who instead got to throw a near no hitter in his second start which everyone latches on to as the promise of Hughes the starter.

    Had Joba’s 08 starter run been anyones first taste of Joba in the rotation, he’d probably still be starting.


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