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Weiner on $189 million plan: “I’ll believe it when I see it”

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Major League Baseball Players Association executive director Michael Weiner has met with seven teams so far this spring, and his latest stop was in Yankees camp. It was a reminder that Yankees fans aren’t the only ones with reason to hope Hal Steinbrenner backs away from his plan to cut payroll.

“I can’t say it concerns me,” Weiner said. “I imagine Mr. Steinbrenner is sincere when he says that, but like a lot of things, I’ll believe it when I see it.”

Obviously the Players Association is happy when the Yankees — or any team, really — is spending big money. Weiner seems to believe the Yankees cuts will be either temporary or non-existent.

“We knew when we negotiated the last basic agreement that there were certain incentives built in for the Yankees to drop their payroll,” Weiner said. “One of them is for any club that has crossed the threshold a multiple number of times. It used to be that if they went down (below the luxury tax) one year, they got a reduced tax rate but not very much of a reduced tax rate. Now, a team like the Yankees that has blown past our threshold every single year that we’ve had it, if they go under for one year, they zero out and they go back to 17.5 percent. If the Yankees decide to drop their payroll to do that, I’m not concerned, because they’re dropping their payroll to put themselves in position to greatly increase their payroll the next year. That incentive was understood.

“The market disqualification (making large-market teams gradually ineligible for revenue sharing) was part of it. I’m much more skeptical about that incentive for the Yankees. You can throw out all kinds of different numbers as to what the Yankees might garner from the market disqualification pool, but I think when the numbers are in, that pool is going to be much, much smaller than the Yankees or some people have suggested it’s going to be. It depends on what the increase in revenues of Toronto is, and Toronto is going to have a lot of increased revenue. It’s going to depend on the increased revenue of the Nationals, and the Nationals project a lot of increased revenue. It’s going to be what the Braves do, and the Braves are projecting substantial increases in revenue.

“If the Yankees decide to go below 189 — and we’ll see, the Yankees are the Yankees and I’m sure it will depend on a number of factors — I’m really not overly concerned. If they go below, they go below, and they’ll be in a position to come back. I’m actually pleased overall with the way that market disqualification provision has worked to give teams like those that I mentioned a real incentive to grow their revenue. It seems to have worked pretty well.”

Here’s Weiner talking about a few PED topics.

Is the Players Association concerned with the recent Biogenesis reports?
“I guess the answer is yes, you’re always concerned when this kind of thing happens. There’s a process that will play out. We are expeditiously meeting with any player whose name has surfaced to see whether there is anything there. MLB will have its opportunity to investigate these people, and if more names come out, we’ll follow that as well. It is a concern that more names are seemingly attached to this story, but at this point, until we get a chance to actually talk to our guys, they’re only seemingly attached to this story. Some of them are attached because they had some link with this doctor, with Bosch, or they had a link with the lab. Some of them have no link at all with PEDs, even if you accepted what the stories say.”

Do the players seem sick of the ongoing problem of steroids in baseball?
“That is the view of the players. I use those words in my talk. I said, ‘I know you guys are sick of this subject and I know you want a clean game.’ The players understand that we have a statutory, a legal obligation to represent any player who is subject to discipline or accused of wrongdoing, but the players also understand that we have also have a legal obligation to the joint drug program. There’s no mistake as to where the sentiment of the players are; Mark (Teixeira) is right, they are sick of this issue. They would much rather focus on all the positives that the game of baseball is producing. If there is something going on, whether it’s in Miami or otherwise, they want us to get to the bottom of it.”

Do players think the testing process is working?
“The thinking of both the union and the commissioner’s office this offseason when we made changes was — this is a fairly standard tenet of criminal justice, as well — that the best way to deter conduct is to make it more likely that you’re going to get caught. Increasing the severity of the penalties has limited usefulness if people think they’re going to get away with something. At that point, both the commissioner’s office and the players association viewed the penalties we have as strong and clearly sufficient – they’re stronger than any other team sport. We increased the number and year-round nature of HGH testing, we increased and improved our testosterone testing, and the message that has gone out to players is, ‘I can’t promise you you’re going to get caught, because we don’t test you every single day, but you’re likely to get caught if you try to cheat the system. We’re getting more and more sophisticated.’ We’ll see how that works. Increasing the likelihood of detection was really the major joint priority of us and the commissioner’s office this offseason.”

Does the union discourage players from going to a clinic like Biogenesis?
“We give players advice, even on things that aren’t necessarily illegal. We give players advice on what supplements to use, for example, but we can’t require them to use supplements that have been certified under our joint program, but you’re running a risk if you use a different one. If a player is involved with an individual, an institution or an entity whose reputation is suspect, we’re going to say to you, ‘Look, you’re a Major League Baseball player; that may not be the smartest thing to do whether you violated the program or not.’”

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155 Responses to “Weiner on $189 million plan: “I’ll believe it when I see it””

  1. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    someone mentioned that CJ Wilson returned to starting after a 4 year stint in the pen; but the difference is that Texas didn’t sign him as a free agent after those 4 years relieving and then make him a starter.

    I brought that up in terms of innings limits. Its different moving from relief to starting when you’re older. They don’t baby you. CJ wilson went from 70 to 200 innings. But its also evidence that it can be done.
    ———–

    Yeah, I just don’t think a contending team is going to take that chance.

    Like I said, I think a team like the Royals makes a lot of sense for him. But if I was Joba I would look for a team with a really strong pitching coach and track record of developing starters – the Mariners maybe.

    There’s a thought…Mariners come to Yankee Stadium and Joba starts the game throwing to Montero behind the plate….

  2. FiretheUMPIRE February 27th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Spiffy hairdo.

  3. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    He has a brain tumor.

  4. blake February 27th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    FiretheUMPIRE says:
    February 27, 2013 at 9:25 pm
    Spiffy hairdo.

    Yea that’s not for style man….

  5. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    I would add Nunez becoming a credible SS to the above.
    ———————-

    I’m not really worried about that – I would rather see Nunez become a credible utility infielder than just a credible SS.

    I still can’t see how the Yankees take Eduardo north if he’s only able to play a passable short but can’t field at 2nd or 3rd. There’s not enough room on the bench for him and Nix.

  6. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    “I’m not really worried about that – I would rather see Nunez become a credible utility infielder than just a credible SS.”

    I would like him to be a supersub, but they disagree. So success at where they have slotted him is the best I can hope for and early signs (as illusory as they can be) are positive.

  7. MTU February 27th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    I’m the complete opposite of Weiner.

    I’ll believe that Hal goes over 189 when I see it.

    ;)

  8. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    My 25 man roster:

    First, I’m dealing Cody Eppley for Justin Maxwell.
    Second, I’m assuming a healthy Jeter but not Hughes.

    Jeter – SS
    Ichiro – LF
    Tex – 1b
    Cano – 2b
    Youk – 3b
    Hafner – DH
    Cervelli – C
    Almonte – RF
    Gardner – CF

    Bench: Stewart, Nix, Maxwell, Johnson

    Rotation:
    CC
    Kuroda
    Andy
    Nova
    Phelps

    Pen
    RHP: Rivera, Aardsma, Joba, Robertson, Kelley
    LHP: Logan, Rapada

  9. Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Chip are you starting Hughes on the DL?

  10. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Jerkface February 27th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Chip are you starting Hughes on the DL?
    —————–

    Yes.

  11. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Jerkface -

    I figure, based on Girardi’s comments, and the general nature of the Yankees, that they’ll want to leave Hughes in Tampa to get a full spring training workload in.

  12. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Stoneburner – The Return of Wax February 27th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
    Flores, Heathcott, and Austin have all shown a little bit of why they are so highly regarded, but nothing outstanding yet.

    *******

    To quote Lewis Black:

    “If it wasn’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college.”

    From Lewis Black, it’s the kind of saying that has no conceivable logical explanation and can cause your head to explode if you think about it for any significant amount of time.

    ——————

    It’s early but do you like what you see from the kids so far?

  13. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    crazy good game going on at the garden.

    curry is as on-fire as a man can be.

    1:10 left, knicks by 2

  14. Ys Guy February 27th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    knicks win.

    so here’s what cano said when francessa said people were worried that he’d leave.

    ‘we still got one year to go. produce and win a championship.’

    (and win the mvp!).

  15. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Stoneburner – The Return of Wax February 27th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
    Flores, Heathcott, and Austin have all shown a little bit of why they are so highly regarded, but nothing outstanding yet.

    *******

    To quote Lewis Black:

    “If it wasn’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college.”

    From Lewis Black, it’s the kind of saying that has no conceivable logical explanation and can cause your head to explode if you think about it for any significant amount of time.

    ——————

    It’s early but do you like what you see from the kids so far?
    ——————–

    Hard to tell anything in spring training – I like Turley; but today he was going up against guys three and four levels higher than him. Culver has the defensive skills but he’s trying to hit against AA and AAA pitchers when he was in low A ball last year.

    You can see the flashes though.

  16. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Yea you can see glimpses of it. I asked because I was on another board and some guy was going crazy of Turley pitching today. Basically he stinks and won’t amount to anything because he can tell who will be good or not even though the small size is small.

    http://cdn.memegenerator.net/i.....067397.jpg

  17. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Yea you can see glimpses of it. I asked because I was on another board and some guy was going crazy of Turley pitching today. Basically he stinks and won’t amount to anything because he can tell who will be good or not even though the small size is small.
    ————————–

    Well that guy’s an idiot and doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Turley was in A ball last year and facing guys who are either major leaguers or close to being in the majors and have built their careers on hitting LHP. It was a learning experience for the kid, not a representation of his abilities.

  18. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    His rationale was:

    No. It doesn’t take much to see if a player has ‘it’ or not. The kid throws 89. Awful control. Got rocked.

    Just like when Betances came up to the yanks. He’s fkn awful. Had no shot at being good. And I got crucified on here.

    He stinks. He won’t be good. Period.

    For example, it was clearly obvious in one inning that Dylan Bundy will be very good. It was clearly obvious to me that Matt Moore will be very good.

    Guys like Montero, I think we will be average.

    Adam Warren. He’s horrendous. I never want to see him on our team.

    I just find it pretty clear when you see guys play….even in small samples.

    Tyler Austin? He looks like a pro. His swing is so damn good.

    Just my random thoughts.

    I agree. It’s just the way I like to make my mind up.

  19. Chip February 27th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    AAO:

    Like I said, the guy sounds like an idiot.

  20. Against All Odds February 27th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    lol

  21. Triple Short of a Cycle February 28th, 2013 at 7:17 am

    Anyone having problems refreshing? It isn’t going back to the top of the comments?

  22. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    So Sherman advances the meme that the Yankees are tired of Joba’s act. He is as tied in to their thinking as any writer. My problem is that it is hard enough to find talent. If a player isn’t a bad guy, and that is not alleged, imposing yet one more screen as to what is acceptable further limits your ability to attract and keep talent. And it is not like the published reports about Cashman’s character issues puts ihim in a position to judge anyone else.

    -
    You know what that screams to me? The Yankees have Joba Fatigue. I think they see him as a constant risk physically and verbally, and they will try to drain 60-70 high-level appearances out of him in 2013 then let all the drama that has played around this pitcher exit through free agency.

    This probably is where they were heading anyway. They have that $189 million mandate in 2014, and because they really don’t see Chamberlain as a starter or a closer, they will not want to invest multiple years in him. Especially since they feel one area of strength they have coming in their system is righty relief. And especially because if they are going to give money to anyone in their pen post-Mariano Rivera it probably will be the more stable —and effective — David Robertson.

    But there is more here than simply cold-hearted finances. The Yankees, as an organization, are tired of all the theatrics and untrustworthiness that comes with Chamberlain.

  23. Crawdaddy February 28th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    I understand you want him and Girardi gone, but taking shots at his character is more a telling sign of you.

  24. Crawdaddy February 28th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    As to Joba, the level of his maturity isn’t a new concern here.

  25. Chip February 28th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    Rich in NJ February 28th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    So Sherman advances the meme that the Yankees are tired of Joba’s act. He is as tied in to their thinking as any writer. My problem is that it is hard enough to find talent. If a player isn’t a bad guy, and that is not alleged, imposing yet one more screen as to what is acceptable further limits your ability to attract and keep talent. And it is not like the published reports about Cashman’s character issues puts ihim in a position to judge anyone else.

    -
    You know what that screams to me? The Yankees have Joba Fatigue. I think they see him as a constant risk physically and verbally, and they will try to drain 60-70 high-level appearances out of him in 2013 then let all the drama that has played around this pitcher exit through free agency.

    This probably is where they were heading anyway. They have that $189 million mandate in 2014, and because they really don’t see Chamberlain as a starter or a closer, they will not want to invest multiple years in him. Especially since they feel one area of strength they have coming in their system is righty relief. And especially because if they are going to give money to anyone in their pen post-Mariano Rivera it probably will be the more stable —and effective — David Robertson.

    But there is more here than simply cold-hearted finances. The Yankees, as an organization, are tired of all the theatrics and untrustworthiness that comes with Chamberlain.
    —————

    I think you’re 100% right.

    Much of the pain that Joba has been is of the Yankees own creation – the Joba Rules, the unsettled role that led to constant speculation about where he should be used, etc.

    But I think the Yankees were disappointed by his conditioning two years ago, more angry than they let on about the trampoline thing last winter and basically have determined that they have better options in house to replace Rivera and plenty of guys coming along who can take over the 7th and 8th inning spots (Montgomery, Kahne, Betances, and Cote) who will be less expensive and less of a headache.

    It’s interesting, but I wonder if Soriano hadn’t opted out if the Yankees would have even tendered Joba a contract this past season

  26. blake February 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    No fun will be tolerated in the Yankee clubhouse…..get off their lawns!

  27. austinmac February 28th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    I thought Clairborne looked like a future bullpen option. Joba will be gone. No doubt about it.

  28. MTU February 28th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Morning.

    Least of my concerns is the Yankee’s BP options going forward.

    Lot’s of potential options.

    No one will ever replace Mo completely. That’s a given.

  29. blake February 28th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    I’ve seen Montgomery throw a few times now….and I’ll admit I’m just not sure how he will translate to the big leagues. His slider is in fact great and I think he has a lot of deception in his delivery…..so that’ll make his fastball play up those things combined.

    But the heater itself I’m not sure will allow the slider to have the same effect against major league hitters….maybe he will gain a mph or two but he sits 90-91 from what ive seen without a ton of movement and the ball doesn’t seem to sneak up on guys in the same way Drobs does…..

    Not saying he’s not an awesome prospect or even that he won’t still be really good as he moves up…..I’m just a bit reserved as to how he will fare against better competition…..he may do just fine and hopefully he will

  30. Chip February 28th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Crawdaddy February 28th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    As to Joba, the level of his maturity isn’t a new concern here.
    —————-

    Not at all. As I said, this year’s story about Joba’s maturity is that he came to spring training this year, after nearly ending his career goofing around with his son (and no I don’t begrudge a father the chance to play with his son) Joba jumps into a laundry cart and asks Boone Logan to push him around the clubhouse.

    I think the instant success, the adulation he got when he broke in went to his head and despite the setbacks he has never lost that ego.

  31. MTU February 28th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Blake-

    But is he better at carrying empty boxes ?

    :)

  32. Chip February 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    blake February 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    No fun will be tolerated in the Yankee clubhouse…..get off their lawns!
    ——————–

    Come on, that’s not fair.

    The Yankees didn’t have any problem with Swisher’s fun-loving attitude; or Burnett’s. Joba is just a constant distraction. He’s the one that created that stupid story earlier this season by complaining in the media that Youk hadn’t texted him back…I get it, he’s 26, but crap like that makes him seem 16 instead.

    As for Montgomery – this is going to come out completely wrong because I don’t want to compare the two – but Rivera’s fastball isn’t really a plus velocity but he’s gotten by in major league relief.

  33. austinmac February 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Blake,

    I agree with you on Montgomery. Major league hitters will sit on the slider and not swing at it off the plate much. Time will tell. I do wish he threw 92-93.

  34. MTU February 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    IMO people are overthinking Joba.

    He’s a young guy who has made some mistakes.

    He’s not the first and won’t be the last.

    Goal should be to make fewer and fewer of them as time goes on.

    ;)

  35. Chip February 28th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    From MLB.com

    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Fastball: 5/6 | Slider: 5/6 | Changeup: 4/5 | Control: 4/5 | Overall: 5/6

    In just his first full season of pro ball, this Longwood product put up eye-popping numbers while reaching Double-A. He topped the organization in saves and struck out 13.8 per nine innings. That kind of performance continued in the Arizona Fall League, leaving him poised to potentially make an impact out of the Yankees’ bullpen soon. While he is up to 93 mph with his fastball, his best pitch is a nasty slider that has sharp bite and tilt. He pitches with deception, giving him even more swing-and-miss ability. Whether he closes at the big league level remains to be seen, but he should be ready to get big league hitters out in 2013.

  36. Chip February 28th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    MTU,

    I agree; Joba just seems to make different ones year after year.

  37. Chip February 28th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    BTW – JP Arencibia refuses to wear a cup while catching RA Dickey…this seems unwise.

  38. NYYROC February 28th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    I haven’t seen Montgomery pitch yet. But people here seem to bring up the point that his FB isn’t good enough to get ML hitters off of his slider. Remember Edwar Ramirez? He had that, as M. Kay used to say, “Bugs Bunny” changeup. But his FB didn’t scare anyone. He was effective at first, but once hitters got a look at him they sat on his change up.

  39. MTU February 28th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Chip-

    Haven’t we all.

    ;)

  40. Russell Munson February 28th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    “As for Montgomery – this is going to come out completely wrong because I don’t want to compare the two – but Rivera’s fastball isn’t really a plus velocity but he’s gotten by in major league relief.”

    Mo used to sit at 94-95 with his four-seamer, so this isn’t really valid. You can look at his pitch FX data from 2007 and see he average 94.1 mph with his fastball at age 37.

  41. MTU February 28th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    I’m much more concerned as to whether guys like Heathcott, Austin, Williams, or Flores develop into anything useful than I am about our BP.

    That would seem to be a much greater area of need at the moment and we have a bucket full of candidates to audition for BP spots.

    How well Romine and Sanchez develop is also a major concern FWIS.

    ;)

  42. blake February 28th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    “As for Montgomery – this is going to come out completely wrong because I don’t want to compare the two – but Rivera’s fastball isn’t really a plus velocity but he’s gotten by in major league relief.”

    Mo has the greatest cutter of all time and used to throw 96 with an effortless delivery that makes it seem faster than it is

  43. blake February 28th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    I’ve only seen Montgomery a handful of times….so it’s a limited sample…just my impressions from it

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Rich in NJ February 28th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    So Sherman advances the meme that the Yankees are tired of Joba’s act. He is as tied in to their thinking as any writer. My problem is that it is hard enough to find talent. If a player isn’t a bad guy, and that is not alleged, imposing yet one more screen as to what is acceptable further limits your ability to attract and keep talent. And it is not like the published reports about Cashman’s character issues puts ihim in a position to judge anyone else.
    ///

    Rich,

    I agree. I’ve been saying for months that the Yankees seem to have settled on a very narrow definition of what a Yankee should be.

    The problem with this is that it might be a very outdated model of what the ideal ballplayer is, as definitions of self have very much expanded, even for male athletes, since the 1950s and that period’s idealized stoic heroes, an idealization the Yankees seem stuck on.

    There are going to be eccentric players, c*ocky players, “nonlinear” personalities. The Yankees’ job is to cull the talent out of these younger players with development, not fold their hand on a guy when he’s in that process because they think he’s somewhat goofy or outside the lines of their hackneyed ideal.

    Even if Joba was too immature or recalcitrant in their eyes, it’s clear they really didn’t give his potential a proper trial, considering his upside. How crazy is it, for example, that Eiland reportedly was in touch with Hughes all offseason, and never picked up the phone to ring Joba before the 2010?

    That, to me, is the epitome of unprofessional.

  45. Against All Odds February 28th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Crawdaddy February 28th, 2013 at 7:52 am
    I understand you want him and Girardi gone, but taking shots at his character is more a telling sign of you.

    —————————–

    The man cheated on his wife with an unstable women. If that doesn’t speak to his character then what does.

  46. Against All Odds February 28th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Cheating on his wife is bad enough but to do it with an unstable women speaks volumes.

  47. Against All Odds February 28th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Joba is just a constant distraction. He’s the one that created that stupid story earlier this season by complaining in the media that Youk hadn’t texted him back

    ————————-

    You can fault Joba for a lot of things but he didn’t create a story. He was asked if he had spoken to Youk. He told them the truth and said Youk didn’t get back to him.

  48. Tackelberry February 28th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    MOntgomery does throw 93 MPH. That should be good enough to keep hitters from sitting on the slider. If he can also develop a change up to use once in a while, he’d be practically unhittable. BY the way, I read that Kahnle hit 98 yesterday on the gun. Can anyone confirm that? WOW! Rondon also looked good. Yanks look pretty deep on relief prospects if you throw in Whitley as well.

  49. blake February 28th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    The things that have jumped out at me the most so far this spring are Heathcotts overall ability and how he just already looks like he belongs with big leaguers…..and Ramierez…..who’s stuff and arm action are really exciting.

    I wish Adams could play because I wanted to see him more…..I was impressed with his approach and swing in the AFL ….reminds me of Micheal Young a bit just in his set up and swing etc….doesn’t mean he will be that but I liked what insaw

  50. blake February 28th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    “I haven’t seen Montgomery pitch yet. But people here seem to bring up the point that his FB isn’t good enough to get ML hitters off of his slider”

    I’m not saying that…..all I’m saying is that I wonder how everything with him will play against better competition

  51. Shame Spencer February 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    I thought it was nice the Pettitte and Joba approached Turley after yesterday’s game to encourage him. I think that’s the type of stuff that speaks to a person’s character.

    Nobody’s perfect and we all have flaws.. some of them major.. but being a good/bad person isn’t black and white. Plenty of guys on the club have cheated on their wives…. I can’t get worked up about that.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Crawdaddy February 28th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    I understand you want him and Girardi gone, but taking shots at his character is more a telling sign of you.
    ///

    Not really. He his supported points responsibly. Cashman has some dirty laundry. You should pick up a newspaper every once in a while and get up to speed rather than come in here and take ad hominem shots at an even-handed, thoughtful poster. The only “telling sign” here is that you didn’t bother to respond to what he actually said.

  53. blake February 28th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    “MOntgomery does throw 93 MPH. That should be good enough to keep hitters from sitting on the slider. If he can also develop a change up to use once in a while, he’d be practically unhittable. BY the way, I read that Kahnle hit 98 yesterday on the gun. Can anyone confirm that? WOW! Rondon also looked good. Yanks look pretty deep on relief prospects if you throw in Whitley as well.”

    Yea we will see….his minor league numbers are unreal and I haven’t seen him but like 3 times….just things I noticed. The Yanks are great at findings and developing relievers…..it’s kinda the best thing they do

  54. Shame Spencer February 28th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    blake February 28th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    “I haven’t seen Montgomery pitch yet. But people here seem to bring up the point that his FB isn’t good enough to get ML hitters off of his slider”

    I’m not saying that…..all I’m saying is that I wonder how everything with him will play against better competition

    ——————-

    How does Montgomery’s FB control look? I think if he becomes the type of guy that can spot that thing wherever he wants, he’ll be dangerous with that slider.

  55. Shame Spencer February 28th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    :arrow:

  56. ron February 28th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    MTU is absolutely right on the money.
    The pen is the last thing we should worry about.

    Nobody sits on mo’s cutter even though they know it’s coming.
    It’s location,and preventing hitters from squaring up on the pitch.

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