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Postgame notes: Granderson likely to stay in center field

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 03, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

J.A. Happ’s misplaced fastball didn’t only break Curtis Granderson’s arm. It might have destroyed the Yankees plan to realign the outfield. With no time for Granderson to learn a new position, Joe Girardi said today that he might give up on the idea of moving Granderson to left

“There’s a chance I’m going to abandon it,” Girardi said. “… I don’t know how many games he would have in his rehab coming back, and that’s a concern for me. So I want him to be comfortable wherever he’s at, because his bat’s real important to us.”

It was no accident that Brett Gardner started in left field today. Girardi explained that, if Melky Mesa takes Granderson’s spot on the roster, then the Yankees will likely use Mesa in center field — against left-handers, anyway — and put Gardner back in left. But if the Yankees temporarily replace Granderson with a corner outfielder, then Gardner will stay in center until Granderson rejoins the team.

“It could be, hypothetically, Zoilo Almonte,” Girardi said. “(In that case) Gardy goes to center, Ich goes to left, Zoilo goes to right. Or (Juan) Rivera, I could do it that same way. Until I sort out what we have, it’s going to be kind of difficult to determine how we do it.”

• The Yankees are suddenly red hot! Second win in a row is a 5-2 win against the Red Sox, and Adam Warren once again pitched well in Fort Myers (he had a good start there last spring). Today Warren allowed one run on one hit through three innings. The one hit was a Mike Napoli homer. “Did a really good job,” Girardi said. “I thought his changeup was good, I thought his breaking ball was good, I thought he threw the ball great.”

• Warren was good, but it’s hard to ignore what Jose Ramirez has done this spring. Today he got in and out of trouble twice, each time he let a runner reach second base with no outs but but stranded the runner. “Ramirez threw great,” Girardi said. “Got first and second, nobody out, gets out of the inning. That’s big for a young kid, and you’re facing guys you’re going to see on NESN all year long.

• Ramirez has a big fastball, but that’s not what Girardi picked out as Ramirez’s best pitch. “Changeup,” Girardi said. “Tremendous, too. His ball stays at the knees. He stays down, with power.”

• Considering he’s right-handed and had big league time last year, Thomas Neal has certainly been lost in the shuffle this spring. He played center field off the bench today and hit a solo home run.

• Tyler Austin is quietly off to a good start this spring. He had his second double today and he’s batting .571 in fairly limited at-bats. Also having a good spring with limited at-bats: J.R. Murphy. He, too, had his second double today.

• There weren’t many big leaguers on this trip. The biggest name was Gardner, who had another hit and drew another walk as the Yankees leadoff hitter. He’s hitting .563 this spring. … Eduardo Nunez also had a hit, and he drove in a run. … Juan Rivera and Jayson Nix each went 0-for-3 in the middle of the order.

• Two more errors today, one by Rob Segedin and one by Addison Maruszak, who’s made three errors this spring. I’ve actually been impressed with how strong Maruszak’s arm is, but obviously the Yankees are trying to get away from utility types who make some errors. Given the lack of upper level shortstops, Maruszak could get another chance to play that position regularly this year.

• Adonis Garcia was supposed to play off the bench today, but he was scratched because of a sore wrist. Sounds like a very minor situation.

• Forgot to mention this morning that Boone Logan’s MRI was a full dye-contrast MRI, so the Yankees got a pretty thorough look at it before determining that he has nothing more than inflammation. “My strength’s good, everything’s good, my arm wants to go, it wants to throw, and it’s just kind of one of those little annoying feelings,” Logan said. “I’m tired of feeling it. If I keep going and it doesn’t go away, it would make for a long year.”

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109 Responses to “Postgame notes: Granderson likely to stay in center field”

  1. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    In an ESPN Insider piece (subscription required), Buster Olney lists the Angels renewing Mike Trout’s contract for $510K as one of the biggest issues facing baseball today.

    Really? The fact that a rookie had a fantastic season and is thus “underpaid” as compared to what he would make if he was an established player is one of the biggest issues facing baseball today? Personally, I think baseball writers for ESPN being morons is a far bigger issue.

    Look, young players sign contracts when they’re drafted or join organizations but understand that they lack leverage up to a certain point. If Trout plays at anything close to this level he won’t have to worry about getting paid.

    Buster Olney however will have to worry about the fact that he has gotten worse as a writer each and every year since he left New York.

  2. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    I’m also waiting for the inevitable explosion over Gardner likely remaining in LF.

  3. Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Criminal misuse of resources, Chip, but not much to explode over. At least Gardner is still on the team and looking great.

  4. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Criminal misuse of resources, Chip, but not much to explode over. At least Gardner is still on the team and looking great.
    —————

    True – I’m still more worried about Girardi taking Rivera north…at least from this comment Diaz doesn’t seem to be in consideration (though the omission might have just been because he wasn’t on the trip)

  5. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    And Mustelier was on the trip, so I take his omission as a bad sign.

  6. Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    The baseball media’s weird outrage at the perfectly acceptable practice of signing a player under team control to league minimum+raise is hilarious. Most teams use a set system based on service time/whatever to assign non-arbitration contracts. Why the heck is this an outrage? Should they be giving him a Pujols deal? Is Trout willing to take a team friendly Longoria deal? If not, shut up, gosh.

  7. Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    The Yankees are very willing to move Ichiro around but not Granderson? Seems weird.

  8. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    I’m also concerned about whether there will be a George Kontos/Chris Stewart type deal involving one of the outfielders to get either a veteran outfielder or utility infielder – I can see it now, Zoilo Almonte going to Arizona for Willie Bloomquist.

  9. Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Overlooking Mustelier is aggravating. By the time he gets a shot he will be in the decline phas and thus useless much like Jorge Vazquez.

  10. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    The baseball media’s weird outrage at the perfectly acceptable practice of signing a player under team control to league minimum+raise is hilarious. Most teams use a set system based on service time/whatever to assign non-arbitration contracts. Why the heck is this an outrage? Should they be giving him a Pujols deal? Is Trout willing to take a team friendly Longoria deal? If not, shut up, gosh.
    —————–

    Buster cites the fact that Joe Blanton is getting a $500k bonus for 200 IP on top of his contract as rational for how out of whack the system is…but guess what…Blanton put in his time and earned his negotiating leverage. Trout will too.

  11. tomingeorgia March 3rd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    If I’m 20 or 21, $510K looks pretty good to me, with millions to follow. What was his bonus?

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock March 3rd, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    That’s when he’ll be most attractive to them.

  13. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    The Yankees are very willing to move Ichiro around but not Granderson? Seems weird.
    —————-

    Well I think that’s just a product of Ichiro having played out there in LF last year.

  14. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Overlooking Mustelier is aggravating. By the time he gets a shot he will be in the decline phas and thus useless much like Jorge Vazquez.
    —————-

    Yup. Not sure what the logic would be. Mustelier is a suspect defender; Rivera is worse and can’t play as many positions. Both would require the Yankees to make a move to open up a spot on the 40 man roster. Only thing Rivera has on Ronnier is big league experience. But what more does the guy have to prove in AAA?

  15. Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Well I think that’s just a product of Ichiro having played out there in LF last year.

    Those 35 games he played last year in LF were the first he ever played there in the majors, so my point stands.

  16. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Well I think that’s just a product of Ichiro having played out there in LF last year.

    Those 35 games he played last year in LF were the first he ever played there in the majors, so my point stands.
    —————–

    I’m not saying I agree with Girardi’s logic, but I hardly ever do.

  17. Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    All Mustelier has done is hit in the minors, he is a righty, he hits both sides, play him. Rivera will defend worse and probably hit worse as well. He hasn’t hit in 3 years.

  18. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    and when I try to think like Girardi I end up giving myself a headache.

  19. theREALkevin March 3rd, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Girardi is an f’ing simpleton. And he continues to prove it time after time.

  20. RadioKev March 3rd, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    All Mustelier has done is hit in the minors, he is a righty, he hits both sides, play him. Rivera will defend worse and probably hit worse as well. He hasn’t hit in 3 years.
    ———

    Rivera hasn’t been bad in spring training, but yeah, if we have the solution in house why bother? They’d also pay Rivera more than the other options.

  21. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    RadioKev March 3rd, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    All Mustelier has done is hit in the minors, he is a righty, he hits both sides, play him. Rivera will defend worse and probably hit worse as well. He hasn’t hit in 3 years.
    ———

    Rivera hasn’t been bad in spring training, but yeah, if we have the solution in house why bother? They’d also pay Rivera more than the other options.
    —————-

    Again, I think they’ll give Rivera the nod because they can send Mustelier to AAA and can’t send Rivera there. I take comfort in knowing that just because you don’t break camp with the squad doesn’t mean you can’t get back up there.

  22. Chad Jennings March 3rd, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:41 pm e
    Overlooking Mustelier is aggravating. By the time he gets a shot he will be in the decline phas and thus useless much like Jorge Vazquez.

    To me, what hurts Mustelier this camp is that he’s basically just like Diaz and Rivera — another right-handed hitter who’s more bat than glove. He’s going to have to outplay those two to win a spot, and the concerns about his defense might make that hard to do.

    Almonte is a switch hitter who’s better from the left side. Mesa is a legitimate center fielder with speed. Those two bring something that none of the other outfield candidates really bring. I think that’s why they’ve stood out. Mustelier (and Neal) are basically in the exact same situation they were in when camp started. They have to outplay a couple of veterans who were brought in to do one specific thing.

  23. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    BUT if Rivera does make the squad, it has to be as a 4th OF/RH DH and not as the starting RF’er.

  24. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Chad -

    But like I said, Mustelier may not be much of a defender but he can play all four corners. Shouldn’t that versatility give him the edge on guys who are more limited?

  25. Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    To me, what hurts Mustelier this camp is that he’s basically just like Diaz and Rivera — another right-handed hitter who’s more bat than glove. He’s going to have to outplay those two to win a spot, and the concerns about his defense might make that hard to do.

    Almonte is a switch hitter who’s better from the left side. Mesa is a legitimate center fielder with speed. Those two bring something that none of the other outfield candidates really bring. I think that’s why they’ve stood out. Mustelier (and Neal) are basically in the exact same situation they were in when camp started. They have to outplay a couple of veterans who were brought in to do one specific thing.

    The thing with Mustelier is that he has crushed the minor leagues, so why not give him a chance? I’d take Mustelier and then 1 of Zoilo/Mesa. Mustelier has played pretty decent OF defense in the spring and the ball jumps off his bat.

    The Yankees want to have young cost controlled players, but seem more willing to live with Diaz, who has looked awful, or Rivera, who we know is only an iffy bat. Its counter productive.

  26. Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    What other team leaves a .324 .378 .497 .875 hitter that can play 4 spots at a passable fashion in the minors when there is a spot open?

  27. Pat M. March 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Openning day is what 4 weeks away ??? Plenty of time for the LoHudders to go nuts over Giradi’s handling of the club. Need to pace yourselves otherwise you’ll burn out and blow all you cliches.

  28. Tar March 3rd, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Hey Pat

    Where’s Nick? haven’t seen him around lately. He’s Probably off globe-trotting somewhere.

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock March 3rd, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Who’s more of a cliche than Girardi?

  30. tomingeorgia March 3rd, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Pat M.,
    Pool girls been around lately?

    I like this team if they take a couple of young’uns north with them.

  31. dan l March 3rd, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Girardi is nothing but an incompetent eunuch. He is the worst manager the Yankees have had in the long storied history. Nothing but a Cashman yes man…pathetic.

  32. mick March 3rd, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Keep Hafner and Youk healthy and this team will be fine.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock March 3rd, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    What other team leaves a .324 .378 .497 .875 hitter that can play 4 spots at a passable fashion in the minors when there is a spot open?
    ///

    um….none? /preventingrunsisus

  34. mick March 3rd, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Still would like Gardner Ichiro and Jeter at top of the order.

  35. Pat M. March 3rd, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Personally I think The Yanks and Giradi are still not sold on the fact that Gradner is an everyday ballplayer and if there’s going to be a rotation with a right hand hitter they rather it be swung in leftfield. Tar, I haven’t heard from Nick the quick in a few weeks, maybe he’s in Charlotte although I think it’s too early for that. Tar Heels making the NCAA Tourney Tar ???? I say yes if they can win 2 in the ACC Tourney. UCLA a Sweet 16 team, I say yes …..

  36. Pat M. March 3rd, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    tomingeorgia, indeed the pool service is still intact and make their weekly visits on Thursday, I only thought GB found enjoyment upon the girls arrival. Miss the Greenberet 7

  37. mick March 3rd, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Melky in CF is questionable as when they figure he cant hit the soft stuff the pressure will mount.
    God forbid he misses 3rd base again…no room for mistakes in the Apple.

  38. kd March 3rd, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    just checking in. how did jose ramirez look today? seems like he did well, improvement from last time or is he on top of his game?

    eta summer ’14 if healthy?

    what’s up pat m? hate to say this but you’re right about ucla. i hope my cal bears sneak in

  39. blake March 3rd, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    “To me, what hurts Mustelier this camp is that he’s basically just like Diaz and Rivera — another right-handed hitter who’s more bat than glove. He’s going to have to outplay those two to win a spot, and the concerns about his defense might make that hard to do.”

    Why not take either Zoilo or Mesa AND Musty and have Rivera and Diaz hit the road….neither was good last year and neither can play defense either

  40. blake March 3rd, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    “Tar Heels making the NCAA Tourney Tar ”

    Oh yea….projected to be a 7 seed right now….just have to finish strong

  41. blake March 3rd, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    “Personally I think The Yanks and Giradi are still not sold on the fact that Gradner is an everyday ballplayer”

    On this team he certainly is…..

  42. mick March 3rd, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Mesa will go down when Grandy comes back. Might as well put Ichiro in LF and platoon in RF.

  43. blake March 3rd, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    “just checking in. how did jose ramirez look today? seems like he did well, improvement from last time or is he on top of his game?”

    Pretty awesome….his stuff is very good….held his own nicely against big leaguers and showed some moxie getting out of jams

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock March 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    On this team he certainly is…..
    ///

    Yup. ST numbers don’t mean much, but Gardner has really looked good at the plate. So considering their zeal for him generally, this would be an odd time to get cold feet about him, after all but naming him their starting CF. They are an odd bunch.

  45. kd March 3rd, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    thanks blake.

    let’s hope he stays healthy

  46. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    What other team leaves a .324 .378 .497 .875 hitter that can play 4 spots at a passable fashion in the minors when there is a spot open?
    —————–

    Why give a player a chance when there are old guys you can watch decline?

  47. blake March 3rd, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    “Why give a player a chance when there are old guys you can watch decline?”

    Id rather have the known quantity that’ll hit .240

  48. yankeehotelfoxtrot March 3rd, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Mick, I still would too. Especially against righties.

  49. Against All Odds March 3rd, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 7:34 pm
    Jerkface March 3rd, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    What other team leaves a .324 .378 .497 .875 hitter that can play 4 spots at a passable fashion in the minors when there is a spot open?
    —————–

    Why give a player a chance when there are old guys you can watch decline?

    ———————

    whoa whoa whoa they’re not old they are vets with experience lol

  50. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    blake March 3rd, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    “To me, what hurts Mustelier this camp is that he’s basically just like Diaz and Rivera — another right-handed hitter who’s more bat than glove. He’s going to have to outplay those two to win a spot, and the concerns about his defense might make that hard to do.”

    Why not take either Zoilo or Mesa AND Musty and have Rivera and Diaz hit the road….neither was good last year and neither can play defense either
    —————–

    Here’s the problem (as I see it) when Granderson comes back they are going to send one of the two guys they carry with them down. The other player will be reduced in role to RH DH/4th OF.

    Mesa, Almonte, Mustelier are used to playing every day whereas Diaz and Rivera are used to playing part time.

    The Yankees like to leave themselves with options, so if they’re not sure that Mustelier can play part time and be effective they are going to send him to AAA rather than lose either Diaz or Rivera who have done it in the past.

    And I can sort of understand that logic, we’ve seen lots of guys have good springs playing regularly and then completely deteriorate playing once a week (Josh Phelps, Andy Phillips, Shelley Duncan, Juan Miranda) but here’s where things get screwy. The Yankees won’t ask Mustelier to play part time in AAA; they won’t see how effective he is at sitting for a few days and then coming off the bench and being productive. They’re going to play him every day which won’t tell them any more about his ability to play the role the Yankees would need him to play.

  51. blake March 3rd, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    I guess….I just wish they’d trust some players that might actually get better for a change…..I understand that they’d have had some success with old dudes recently…..but they have also failed miserably and Jonesy did last year too

  52. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    blake March 3rd, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    “Why give a player a chance when there are old guys you can watch decline?”

    Id rather have the known quantity that’ll hit .240
    ————-

    Like I said, my biggest fear isn’t even Rivera and Diaz making the team.

    My biggest two fears are Rivera and Diaz making the 40 at the expense of potentially good players and a George Kontos/Chris Stewart type deal at the end of spring training.

    I could easily see the team deciding that they want someone with more versatility than Nunez and more of a track record than Velazquez or Nix and doing something stupid like dealing Zoilo Almonte for Willie Bloomquist.

  53. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    blake March 3rd, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    I guess….I just wish they’d trust some players that might actually get better for a change…..I understand that they’d have had some success with old dudes recently…..but they have also failed miserably and Jonesy did last year too
    —————-

    I don’t disagree – but if Rivera stinks you can call up Mustelier to replace him. If Mustelier stinks you don’t have Rivera in the minors.

    It’s different from the situation last year in that by not taking Maxwell they lost him. In my view, Mustelier gets hurt for much the same reason that Romine does – they can send him to the minors.

    Hopefully they give Stewart and Rivera a month and during that time Mustelier and Romine tear up Scranton and force their ways to the majors.

  54. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    By the way – that’s not what I want them to do, but given that I think it’s their most likely course of action, it’s what I’m now considering a best case scenario (much like letting Cano walk rather than giving him 8 years)

  55. jacksquat March 3rd, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Not moving Granderson to LF because he missed spring training is bleeping moronic.

  56. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    aww crud….

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......t-forearm/

  57. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    From the link above about Chris Garcia:

    “There won’t be any surgery,” Garcia told reporters on Sunday in Nationals camp. “I’m done with cutting myself open. … Right now, it’s just about resting it. They want the symptoms to go away. Once the symptoms go away, we’ll have a plan of attack.”

    Sounds like a guy who might be about ready to call it a day.

  58. yankeefeminista March 3rd, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Chip, maybe not. The original Kilgore article hardball took that from sounds more optimistic.

    “The Nationals had been calling Garcia’s ailment a “strain,” and the partial-tear diagnosis is only a more specific label — all strains are small tears. “It’s not as bad as it sounds,” Garcia said.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....rm-tendon/

  59. blake March 3rd, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    @bkabak: One day, the Yanks moved Bernie to left and that was that. One day, the Yanks moved Damon to left and that was that. Why is this different?

    No clue

  60. pkyankfan69 March 3rd, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    What a cop out by the Yanks… They finally act like they are going to make a somewhat bold move in swapping Gardner and Grandy, and then a small speed bump presents itself and the Yankees completely fold. This swap is something that could help the Yankees defense, unfortunately they have 0 cojones. Very disappointing.

  61. Chip March 3rd, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Yankeefem –

    I sure hope that’s the case.

  62. yankeefeminista March 3rd, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Chip, QFT. Garcia deserves a break.

  63. Bronx Jeers March 3rd, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    One would think it would be relatively easy to simulate a ball being hit to LF.

    Why not have Granderson stand in LF and you know, like, hit some balls his way? And not that catching a ball with your left hand is hazardous to your right forearm but technically you could do these drills without even catching the ball.

  64. Nilsson March 3rd, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    blake March 3rd, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    @bkabak: One day, the Yanks moved Bernie to left and that was that. One day, the Yanks moved Damon to left and that was that. Why is this different?

    No clue

    ————————————————————————————————-

    Torre was the manager then. Girardi is now. JG does have his peculiarities.

  65. jacksquat March 3rd, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    I can kind of understand putting Mesa in CF and Gardner in LF if they go with those two, if Mesa is really just as good as Gardner, even though I think the Gardner should sort of have rights to it.

    But putting Granderson in CF and Gardner in LF is just dumb. Dumbdumbdumbdumbdumb.

  66. blake March 3rd, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    LF is easier than CF….I think they are worrying way too much about how it’ll affect Granderson …..I don’t think it would really at all

  67. Nilsson March 3rd, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    I will say though, if this is the biggest issue facing the team all year, then it’s gonna be a great, successful season. I guess it’s all relative at this point.

    On another note, Tyler Austin kinda looks like Eli Manning.

  68. Pat M. March 3rd, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    blake… I agree with you . I always felt that left was the easiest position on the field.

  69. dan l March 3rd, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    It’s becoming harder and harder to stay a Yankees fan. They are plain boring.

  70. MG March 3rd, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    I don’t really care either way but Girardi’s binder, page 358, paragraph 1.7.2 specifically states, ‘if a center fielder you are thinking of moving to either left or right field suffers a debilitating injury during the spring and is disabled for the start of the season keep him in centerfield, I repeat, keep him in centerfield’

    You can’t defeat the power of the binder, my LoHud friends…

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