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Postgame notes: Adjustments in the outfield

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 05, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ichiro Suzuki was in left field for the first time this spring, but he wasn’t caught off guard.

“I talked to him when Curtis went down,” Joe Girardi said. “(I) said, ‘This could change things depending on who makes our club. You might have to play left.’”

So this may be the norm this spring, a rotating outfield alignment that lets the Yankees try different options to figure out who will replace Curtis Granderson — and what that replacement will mean for Ichiro and Brett Gardner.

“Those two guys really have to be able to play two positions for me,” Girardi said.

As it stands, the replacement favorites seem to be Melky Mesa (who’s most comfortable in center field), Zoilo Almonte (who’s spent most of his time in right) and right-handed hitters Matt Diaz, Juan Rivera and Ronnier Mustelier (who have primarily been in left). Gardner and Ichiro will adjust to fit the replacement, which is only significant if it’s one of the young guys, either Mesa or Almonte.

Why is Ichiro allowed to move to left but Granderson isn’t?

Girardi said it has to do with previous experience and other alternatives. When the Yankees traded for Ichiro last season, he’d already spent considerable time in right field and center field. He knew what it was like to play a corner, and he had already proven he could adjust to a different position. Also, the acquisition of Ichiro was about opportunity; the Yankees had a chance to get a good player, so they found a way to make him fit. The Yankees don’t have to force such a change this year.

“He’s played other positions in his career more than Grandy has,” Girardi said. “If I didn’t put him (in left), I was going to have to move Swish. I just thought I would put the faster guy in the bigger part (of the outfield).”

• Apparently Girardi told YES Network that Mariano Rivera will make his spring debut on Saturday. Girardi said pregame that there’s a good chance Rivera will pitch tomorrow. “I’ll talk to him and see what he thinks,” Girardi said. “It’s Mo. His ideas have worked pretty well in camp for him.”

• Here’s a non-injury in Yankees camp! Kevin Youkilis is not hurt. He’s supposed to play tomorrow and Friday. He was basically off today to keep from having to play a day game after a night game.

• It’s not a sure thing — but also not ruled out — that Derek Jeter could play on Sunday. That’s the day Brian Cashman suggested a few weeks ago. “He’s doing well,” Girardi said. “He’s progressing the way we want, so we’ll see where he is this week. Should know in the next few days if that’s a real possibility.”

• Add David Adams to the list of big league cuts. He’s been optioned to Triple-A.

• Speaking to reporters in Arizona, Team USA manager Joe Torre said Mark Teixeira was doing nothing out of the ordinary when his wrist/forearm began to bother him. Here in Tampa, Cashman said Teixeira was simply hitting off a tee when he felt it. “I certainly feel bad for Tex,” Torre told The Associated Press. “But it’s one of those things, it just seems like it’s unavoidable. … It was just a freak thing.”

• Teixeira tweeted a response to the injury: Very disappointed to miss @WBCBaseball. Best of luck to my teammates, go #USA!

• Another pretty good outing for David Phelps who allowed one run on two hits through four innings. He struck out two and walked one. Phelps said he’s been happy with his fastball command, but his curveball isn’t there yet. “It’s got to get better,” Phelps said. “I’m getting ahead of guys, just not able to put them away.” Phelps said the curveball was the last pitch to come around last spring, too.

• Fielding a ball with his bare hand? “Stewie came out and told me I’m an idiot,” Phelps said. He’s fine, by the way.

• Bad day for Mark Montgomery. The highly touted reliever walked two batters, hit a guy, gave up a single and balked in a run. He has a 7.71 ERA this spring. “It’s probably a little bit of (nerves),” Girardi said. “Young and he’s been talked about a lot. I think all kids go through it. I know I talk about him a lot, but we saw it happen to Phelpsy. It’s not unusual.”

• Today’s bullpen standout had to be lefty Francisco Rondon who pitched 1.2 scoreless innings with one hit, one walk and two strikeouts. He’s looked good this spring. Rondon got out of Montgomery’s mess in the seventh and saved Montgomery from having a much worse pitching line.

• Two more hits for Brett Gardner. He’s hitting .579. At this point, he almost has to have two hits or else his average goes down.

• Corban Joseph is still having a tough time with errors at third base. He made two more tonight and has four errors this spring. J.R. Murphy also committed an error tonight.

• Joba Chamberlain pitched a scoreless inning. So did Shawn Kelley, who had a couple of strikeouts. Branden Pinder allowed two hits but no runs in his inning. … Ichiro Suzuki had a double, but that was the Yankees only extra-base hit. … Ronnier Mustelier and Joseph had the Yankees only non-Ichiro, non-Gardner hits. … Jayson Nix drew a walk and stole a base. … Travis Hafner and Eduardo Nunez each walked twice. It’s clearly a bad offensive night when I’m making a note of the guys who walked more than once.

• Cashman said he’ll be on crutches for at least eight weeks after yesterday’s injury. He has a plate and eight screws in his ankle now. “Once my heel hit, and we were moving forward, the rest was what they teach you in grade school – science and physics,” he said. “You know what, I messed up. I broke down in the end on one of my protocols, which is keeping my legs up all the time, higher than land, and I didn’t do that. It was my fault.”

• Girardi always pays close attention to the catchers in camp, and you can bet that’s true of Gary Sanchez, who was just reassigned to minor league camp. “All around (progress),” Girardi said. “Catches the ball better. He’s got an outstanding arm. He blocks the ball better. His swing is more consistent. He’s just a guy you want to go play every day and see where he can get to.”

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116 Responses to “Postgame notes: Adjustments in the outfield”

  1. G. Love March 5th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Jim Thome, Scott Rolen and Carlos Lee come on down!

  2. Chip March 5th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    I’m sure that the Phelps cut makes sense from a numbers stand point – but I’ll admit when I first saw it the thought that went through my head was “WTF”

    This really doesn’t sound good about Tex.

    Just doing a quick look, with the assumption that this is a long term issue – the Yankees have previously had interest in Garrett Jones of the Pirates, this could rekindle that. Jones could also fill the Chavez role of LH power off the bench.

  3. Chip March 5th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    G.

    Rolen’s a possibility with them moving Youk over to 1b – but I can’t imagine the Yankees bringing in a guy with that kind of injury history, nor do I think he would be interested. I think he’s looking at the Reds or nothing.

  4. Cashmoney March 5th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Ryan Doumit probably can be had for cheaper Chip, anywho, I will wait a few days to see wassup. Doubt Pit will part Jones without a hefty asking price, but can’t hurt to ask if Tex’s injury is serious. This team’s thin depth has been immediately exposed.

  5. Marcus March 5th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    Chad may have meant David Adams.

  6. Cashmoney March 5th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    G. i can see Thome hitting but not fielding, Rolen fielding but not hitting. Lee doing neither.

  7. G. Love March 5th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Chip,

    I know. The pickings are slim on the free agent front. If this proves anything though it’s that this team needs depth. Eric Chavez sure would look good at 3b while Youk played 1b the next 2 weeks.

    I don’t even think Thome can still field unless he did so on Philly last year?

    Carlos Lee could probably play a bad 1b for a little while but he didn’t want to come here last year when we traded for him and he blocked it.

    I don’t like the “shutting him down for 10-14 days” part of the diagnosis. That scares me.

    Just looking around at league rosters some corner IF’s should shake loose closer to opening day, but nothing that can hit in the middle of the order obviously.

    The A’s are probably one of the best trading partners in that regard and they’ll want a top prospect for the two guys competing at 1b there.

    Wonder if we can send Pineda back to Jack Z for Smoak?

  8. Chip March 5th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    The description of the injury reminds me of how Pat Kelly hurt himself in 1994. Kelly was always getting hurt so this might not be an apples to apples thing, but if I’m remembering right he missed most of the season.

  9. Triple Short of a Cycle March 5th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    The fact is the Tex signing has been a pretty big disappointment. We signed him to this huge deal and got 1 elite season out of him.

    People give Arod and his contract so much crap when we got our money’s worth for exactly 1 year with Tex.

    Every year its something else with this guy. He is becoming Carl Pavano 2,0

    What a soft soft player this guy is

  10. jacksquat March 5th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    G. Love March 5th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
    Jim Thome, Scott Rolen and Carlos Lee come on down!

    I’d rather watch Hafner try to play first base for the first time since 2007.

  11. Jerkface March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    No way Phelps got cut. Thats David Adams for sure.

  12. Chip March 5th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    G.

    Thome can’t field – that’s why the Phillies traded him so early in the season.

    I doubt the Yankees have interest in Carlos Lee. I’m watching Mexico vs. D’Backs on MLB Network and they just said that the Yankees are looking for a 1b who can hit LH.

    Took a quick look…like I said, I think Jones could be available.
    Also Casey Kotchman, Travis Snider, Adam Lind, Justin Smoak, Chris Johnson or if they want to shoot for the moon…they can talk to the Twins about Morneau.

  13. G. Love March 5th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    In the past whenever a former slugger starts to get wrist and hamstring injuries a possible PED past is usually thrown out there. Something about using that makes the joints sensitive to these kind of breakdowns out of the blue.

    Not accusing Tex of using in his past, but if he did, we better get used to these kind of things the next 4 years.

  14. Cashmoney March 5th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    jorge Vazquez still available in the Mexican League?

  15. Jerkface March 5th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    I’m watching Mexico vs. D’Backs on MLB Network and they just said that the Yankees are looking for a 1b who can hit LH.

    Did they mean Team USA?? Team USA said that.

  16. jacksquat March 5th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    G. Love March 5th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Wonder if we can send Pineda back to Jack Z for Smoak?

    That would be a mistake.

  17. Chip March 5th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    Jerkface -

    Yeah it looks like Chad corrected it in his Twitter feed. It’s Adams not Phelps

  18. Chip March 5th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    I’m watching Mexico vs. D’Backs on MLB Network and they just said that the Yankees are looking for a 1b who can hit LH.

    Did they mean Team USA?? Team USA said that.
    ————-

    Possibly. They said the Yankees though.

  19. G. Love March 5th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    Based on Cashman’s recent history, any trades will be made with Seattle or Pittsburgh.

    If Seattle decides they’re over Smoak, maybe…

    And jacksquat, if they put a glove on Hafner his hand will fall off and turn to dust.

    It might be time to call back Jorge and have him bring out that 1b mitt he so loved, lol.

  20. jacksquat March 5th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Was joking about Hafner.

  21. Chip March 5th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    It’ll be interesting to see if Nunez starts getting spring training innings at 3b once Derek is back in the lineup.

  22. Sir Harden Thick March 5th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Father knows best? Robbie is very close him him.

    Tampa Florida AP. Robinson Cano’s father says he expects the New York Yankees to re sign they’re all star second baseman rather than let him leave in free agency.

    Jose Cano says he hopes Robinson will spend his entire career in New York. Jose thinks his son will get a six or seven year contract.

    Jose Cano made his comments at the Yankees spring training complex, where the Dominican Republic’s World Baseball Classic team is training.

  23. yankfan1 March 6th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Would be nice to see Ronnier play 3B and Youk 1B if Texiera is out longer than expected. jospehs glove has been so terrible at 3B this spring i dont think he has a chance, its not like hes killing the ball either.

  24. G. Love March 6th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    What’s the Crime Dog up to? Think he can still swing the stick?

  25. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 12:05 am

    “Based on Cashman’s recent history, any trades will be made with Seattle or Pittsburgh.”

    Mont…

    Oh never, mind. :P

  26. Bronx Jeers March 6th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    jorge Vazquez still available in the Mexican League?

    ———————

    No love for Juan Miranda?

  27. G. Love March 6th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Rich,

    Too bad the Montreal trading didn’t extend to the Nats although we did get Albalabooboo for Clippard from them.

  28. G. Love March 6th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Cashman’s secretly convincing Nick Johnson to come out of retirement and play encased in bubble wrap.

  29. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    where have thou gone Juan?

  30. FiretheUMPIRE March 6th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Garrett Jones was too pricey last year and Pittsburgh was smart to retain him. He ended up contributing to a team that was relevant for much of the year. We’d have to give them a Xavier Nady type trade with Phelps being the main guy they ask for. And for OF they would probably demand the equivalent of Tabata (when he was a prospect not a bust).

  31. Felix Unger March 6th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    WTF ? Can anyone here please help me out ? This makes no sense..

    ==============

    Add David Phelps to the list of big league cuts. He’s been optioned to Triple-A.

    ==============

    Another pretty good outing for David Phelps who allowed one run on two hits through four innings. He struck out two and walked one. Phelps said he’s been happy with his fastball command, but his curveball isn’t there yet. “It’s got to get better,” Phelps said. “I’m getting ahead of guys, just not able to put them away.” Phelps said the curveball was the last pitch to come around last spring, too

  32. Jerkface March 6th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    Its David Adams, not David Phelps.

  33. Chad Jennings March 6th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    Yikes. Yeah, Adams sent down, not Phelps.

  34. Felix Unger March 6th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    Thanks you. Chad go have a hot toddy and relax….Ha !

  35. Felix Unger March 6th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    It’s gonna be a very long painful year I think………….:(

  36. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    It’s way too early to tell, but if that’s how it turns out, being sellers could significantly shorten any rebuilding process.

  37. Felix Unger March 6th, 2013 at 12:59 am

    Just guys like Hafner , reminds me of Nick Johnson, always hurt. Catching corps…sigh, wish Romine was getting more reps.

    Jeter still finding his way back. Diaz & Rivera there is a reason why they have bounced around.

    And not much bench depth to step in for a prolonged injury.

  38. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 1:02 am

    The pitching was going to have to be great before any injuries, and that’s even more true now.

  39. Felix Unger March 6th, 2013 at 1:09 am

    U got that right, we are going to have to maintain health and length, 6 – 7 IP from the SP’s

    Of course on the bright side we might finally see building runs, moving guys over, hit and run etc. which would be great in my eyes as opposed to all or nothing live and die by the long ball approach.

  40. jacksquat March 6th, 2013 at 1:11 am

    I didn’t think the offense was as bad as many others here thought, but they cannot sustain many injuries.

  41. J563_NYY March 6th, 2013 at 4:13 am

    The injury was not from over use do to signing autographs in Spring Camp. Tex just ran past every group of people and they were not 100′s of people…just saying.

  42. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 6:44 am

    Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    It’s way too early to tell, but if that’s how it turns out, being sellers could significantly shorten any rebuilding process.
    ================

    I don’t think that the Yankees would be sellers under any circumstances. At least not big time sellers.

    IF things were going very badly by late June they might deal off a guy like Logan or Chamberlain, but they wouldn’t move anyone significant like Granderson or Cano or Hughes. Not their nature, not the way they go about business. Even if Tex and Alex were both out for the year; they would still believe that they were going to compete for a World Series – at least that would be the public stance.

    What a serious injury to Tex is more likely to do is push the Yankees into parting with some of their prospect base to bring a significant player in.

    For example, Justin Morneau is an impending FA, the Twins have interest in moving Joe Mauer out from behind the plate to protect his health and are in a bit of a rebuild – the Yankees could target Morneau in exchange for a package of Austin Romine, Dellin Betances and another prospect, Preston Claiborne or Adam Warren level.

  43. blake March 6th, 2013 at 7:03 am

    If Tex is out then out a significant amount if time then I might just put Nunez and 3B and move Youk to 1B and pray

    If they don’t think Adams is ready and they can’t make a trade then there really aren’t any good options……

  44. MTU March 6th, 2013 at 7:14 am

    How long is Texeira projected to be out ?

    Why talk a replacement if he coming back in time for the season to start.

    Doesn’t sound like a major injury.

  45. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 7:19 am

    MTU -

    It’s possible that it isn’t too bad – we know he won’t swing a bat for at least two weeks. But Cashman’s description of Tex “hearing a pop” doesn’t sound positive.

  46. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 7:20 am

    Blake,

    It will be interesting to see how much time Nunez gets at 3b once Derek’s back in the lineup.

  47. blake March 6th, 2013 at 7:24 am

    I hope tex is back by opening day but wrist injuries can linger and recur….. Whatever they do get it 100% before bringing him back

  48. blake March 6th, 2013 at 7:32 am

    Texas desperate for a starter…,tigers desperate for a closer

  49. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    Phelps to the Rangers for Moreland?

    Tigers don’t really have a fit for the Yankees.

  50. MTU March 6th, 2013 at 7:40 am

    Thanks guys.

    Tex has had wrist trouble before so I guess it’s a concern.

    Hope it does not turn out to be as serious this time.

  51. yanks61 March 6th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    Good morning everyone.

    I haven’t the last few days worth of threads, so apologies if you’ve already seen this:

    http://bullpenbanter.com/new-y.....prospects/

    Quite a good write-up.

  52. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Even if Tex and Alex were both out for the year; they would still believe that they were going to compete for a World Series – at least that would be the public stance.
    —–
    then that’s just dumb. the reasonable thing to do is sell off all your one year pieces to highest bidder and takes this as opportunity to pile on more future pieces, to go after patchwork fixes and most likely overpaying for them does the team little good long term.

    it’s way to early to even contemplate that nor do we know that is in fact what they would do under the scenario. but it’s assessment call like this that can make and break an organization that many think are brinks of bridging or rebuilding process.

  53. Doreen March 6th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    I don’t want to lose Phelps. He is going to be needed. I don’t trust Hughes’ back as far as I could throw it and I think they need backup “just in case” for Pettitte and Kuroda (and Nova, who’s also had injury in the past).

    I go with what blake said – Youk at first, maybe Nix at 3rd? Someone. And pray.

    I’ve steeled myself for a bumpy season. Anything better will be a thrill. I’m at peace with it.

    The last two/three seasons, the Yankees had very good depth and were able to cover their injuries. It was such a powerful position to be in. Other teams were not as strong once their front line was gone; the Yankees were able to go on as if nothing happened (albeit, they plodded rather than sprinted to the finish line).

    If I had a “complaint” that would be it – why abandon that? Now, we may all end up with egg on our face if some of the kids come up and do well, or if Nix and Youk turn in some good performances this season, and it turns out that the Yankees were correct in feeling they’d be okay. But there are things you plan for and things you don’t. And it’s turning out that the stuff the Yankees may not necessarily have had as their primary concerns are what are going amiss right now. (Tex, Grandy – I would say Alex, but at least that turned up before the season and they got Youkilis).

  54. blake March 6th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    “Chip March 6th, 2013 at 7:34 am
    Phelps to the Rangers for Moreland?

    Tigers don’t really have a fit for the Yankees.”

    I’d want Olt from Texas…..from the Tigers….I’d think about giving them Robertson if they would part with Castellanos. Neither of these things will happen however of course……just making conversation.

  55. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Doreen, maybe Adams will finally be healthy and ready to the MLB soon. I like Moreland as a hitter, but to gaze beyond 13, i think Yanks can ill afford to lose Phelps.

  56. blake March 6th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    It’s only ST but things don’t seem to be heading in a good direction injury wise…..the lineup is just so thin already….they can’t afford to lose anything else from it. Hopefully Tex can be ready to start the season…..luckily he has some time still and this isn’t happening 2 weeks from now.

  57. Doreen March 6th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Cashmoney -

    I’m not holding my breath that Adams will ever be healthy. He’s had issues for 3 years now. But, ya nevah know, right?

  58. blake March 6th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    I’d trade Phelps for Olt….not Moreland though

  59. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Nor am I, but I think Adams probably has a legitimate MLB bat to at least cover some of the offense lost if Tex is out for long term. Nix is a everyday player to me, but then, not much options available internally. Mustelier? Yanks might not be bold enough to think that route.

  60. randy l. March 6th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    at some point the yankees have to realize they are trying to paint a room that takes 10 gallons of paint with only seven gallons .

    trying to be cheap goes against all the success the yankees have had. yes, other teams have learned how to do more with less, but the yankees have never been this kind of team.

    the yankees are so thin on talent that anything that goes wrong is a problem. granderson alone is a big problem. add teixeira and the yankees are really in trouble.

    injuries are part of the game. last year mariano went down for the year, but soriano was there as depth to solve that problem. the yankees do not have this kind of depth now.

    this is all on hal. it’s irresponsible management to cut back on spending with hopes for strong development that has never been accomplished before by the yankees management team.

    at some point fans are going to have to just accept that this really is a downward spiral initiated by hal and to pressure him by hitting him in the bottom line. as long as people continue to support hals dismantling of the team he’ll continue doing it.

    i think we’re seeing the end of a fantastic historic run. this year is still watchable because of jeter and mariano, but unless hal changes course, the next few years are going to be like the red sox last few years.

  61. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    not a everyday.

  62. austinmac March 6th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    MTU,

    You asked why the Teixiera concern. Read what Cashman has to say. Wrist injuries are rarely easy ones and are often recurrent unless they are allowed to fully. It is my understanding he cannot do anything with the wrist for two weeks.

    I think of Gardner and shudder.

  63. austinmac March 6th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    I hope we can all agree Nix is a sub and not a regular. Taking of Tex and adding Nix would make the Yankees in April one of the worst offenses in the league.

  64. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Mac, the silver lining here is maybe you find what some of the prospects can be in the absence of the said injured players. Yanks will never find out what they got if they give significant playing time to guys like Nix, Rivera etc, etc… you already know what those guys are capable of. At least gimme the opportunity to engage in the unknown and the potentials.

  65. austinmac March 6th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Randy,

    I was blasted as pessimistic when I said last November this is looking like 1965 all over again. It did then and does more so daily. They were shortsighted then and utterly lack any foresight now.

    Not spending money on possible productive foreign players, cutting down on the international budget in general and drafting sure signs such as Culver and Bichette is a clear road to disaster since they haven’t a clue how to sign and develop top flight players.

  66. Yankee Trader March 6th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Good morning-

    Cashman said Teixeira felt a “pop” in his wrist. That could mean it’s the tendon sheath?

    Jose Bautista had this injury last season and elected immediate surgery.

    “We followed the course of action that was recommended at each time during the recovery after the original injury,” Bautista said. “The only way I could have played again this year without having surgery was to do what we did. I tried, there’s just too much instability in that tendon.

    “It got to the point where risking injuring the tendon was not worth it. That’s why we’re opting to do it now, that way I have plenty of time to be ready for Spring Training and the [2013] season.”

    The positive news for Bautista is that the affected tendon in his left wrist has not been damaged at all. Instead, it’s a sheath that holds the tendon in place which has been compromised and is the cause of the lingering discomfort.

    It’s the same injury that Tampa Bay outfielder Sam Fuld suffered last September. Fuld originally attempted to go through an extended period of rest to avoid surgery, but then aggravated the wrist area during a swing on March 23.

    Fuld then opted for surgery and didn’t return to the Major Leagues until July 24. Bautista said he spoke to Fuld at great length about the rehab process, and their conversation is one of the main reasons surgery has already been scheduled.
    ——————

    Entire article plus video of swing that Bautista was injured on:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=tor

  67. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Chip

    I am not saying that they will be sellers or even that they will need to be sellers, only that if bad luck continues and they are falling out of it in July, they should be sellers.

  68. austinmac March 6th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Cash,

    I am not sure any of the so-called ready players are capable. Mesa, Almonte and those guys all have significant flaws. They won’t risk the psyches of the top prospects.

    I do agree I would rather play any of the younger guys than watching the Diazes of the world be mediocre at best.

  69. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Mac, I don’t see a doomsday scenario, I do agree with your assessments in large that this current management team lacks foresight and finer critical thought process in gauging the brave new world in the aftermath of new CBA.

  70. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Mac, the upper level is thin on legit star talents, that’s not assessment by me, but rather a general consensus. but I rather see the young and mediocre play than wash ups and never was. that’s all.

  71. Yankee Trader March 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    I believe, as the CBA rules stand now, that a player obtained after the season starts that will be a FA at seasons end, cannot be given the qualifying offer for a compensatory pick.

    If Teixeira has injured the tendon sheath in his wrist and requires surgery, it took Sam Fuld, once he decided that rehab was not working and elected surgery, some 4 months after surgery, before he was back on the playing field.

    When is the last time the Yankees didn’t have a switch-hitter in the lineup opening day???

  72. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    I want Cervelli, Nunez, and Almonte/Mesa playing over the marginal, aging veteran alternatives. That is something Cashman should insist on, if necessary. More upside, and they have to know what they have in each.

  73. randy l. March 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    austin mac-

    at what point do you throw in the towel on a direction?

    for those of us who have lived enough business life , it’s obvious that sometimes you have to give up a plan and switch to something else . it’s obvious that hal’s plan is causing more problems than it’s solving.

    i’m watching and wondering what it’s going to take for hal to see that he needs to change course and step on the gas rather than hit the brakes. lets face it , the yankees could lose money for years and still not be in any financial trouble.

    the question is do they win or do they lose while they are losing some money as they go through an ugly duckling period.
    they are going to lose some money either way.

    for people who aren’t in business there is two kinds of money. there’s cash flow and there’s profit.
    the yankees even if they had no profit for years and and even if they ran at a loss would have lots of cash flow because they have so much revenue coming in.

    the yankees can easily run at a loss for years and not have it affect their ability to do business. since this is the case, why not continue having a first class organization until the team weathers a low point because of bad player contracts.

    hal is making a rookie mistake. he’s choking because of being faced with a payroll problem he can’t get rid of. he really is hitting the brakes when stepping on the gas will get him out of the spin he’s in.

    a lot of small businesses go out of business doing the same thing. you can’t stop doing the things that bring in the business. in hal’s world the fans are the business. you can’t stop doing things that bring in the fans.

    ha will learn the easy way or the hard way, but he’s going to learn it one way or the other.

  74. Doreen March 6th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    randy -

    I don’t know about a downward spiral. That’s drastic. But it might be an experiment whose results are not what was hoped for and there is always money to go out and buy the extra paint if they decide to abandon said experiment.

    It might be a tough 2 years. If it’s longer, I’ll say you were right.

  75. blake March 6th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    panic panic panic panic….warning….panic panic panic panic

  76. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    FTR, I am still hopeful. Because of the pitching.

  77. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    cashman and hal reminds of poker player to adhere to single line of strategy to every table they play in, rather than assessment their opponents individually and act upon accordingly. If they are the ultimate grinder they are very good at it either.

  78. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    assessing.

  79. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    I don’t think Hal is at the table. I think he has someone play for him.

  80. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    aren’t very good, sorry, morning typing.

  81. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Even if Tex and Alex were both out for the year; they would still believe that they were going to compete for a World Series – at least that would be the public stance.
    —–
    then that’s just dumb. the reasonable thing to do is sell off all your one year pieces to highest bidder and takes this as opportunity to pile on more future pieces, to go after patchwork fixes and most likely overpaying for them does the team little good long term.

    it’s way to early to even contemplate that nor do we know that is in fact what they would do under the scenario. but it’s assessment call like this that can make and break an organization that many think are brinks of bridging or rebuilding process.
    —————-

    All you have to do is look at what they did in 2008 when Wang and Hughes got hurt and Kennedy bombed. The Yankees didn’t sell off their veterans that year (Giambi, Abreu) even though the rotation was in shambles – they added instead (Nady and Marte) I don’t see why this year would be any different.

  82. MTU March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Randy-

    Unless the Team tanks badly I do not expect Hal to come to the rescue.

    Maybe not even then.

    I think he wants to sell.

    If he does he does just enough. No more.

    If I’m right just hope he sells quickly and to an owner w money and passion.

    ;)

  83. Yankee Trader March 6th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    Tyler Austin started out at 3rd, then moved to 1st, before being moved again to RF.

    Almonte, a switch-hitter, but better from the left side, looked better, defensively, in RF last night.

    Mustelier can hit, and his fielding at the corners has looked acceptable to me in ST. He made a nice running catch on the warning track in RF before being tackled by some “fool” and still held onto the ball.

    It might be time for the Yankees to put some of these Baby Bombers on the 25 man and get them a running start.

    Thoughts?

  84. randy l. March 6th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    “Mac, I don’t see a doomsday scenario”

    cashmoney-

    there’s no doomsday scenario no matter what hal does. the yankees could implode and finish in last place this year and they are still so flush with cash they’ll regroup ad come back strong in a few years with a new plan that actually works. this new plan will involve spending lots of money. new york city is not tampa /st pete. cash is king. hal will realize that at some point of he keeps the team.

    hal has the luxury of having a really stupid plan. he’s not betting the business with this plan. he’s just tarnishing the product. for people who happen to like the product it’s kind of annoying. there’s nothing “doomsday” going on here.

    it’s just a dumb way to run a business worth several billion dollars.

  85. Cashmoney March 6th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Chip, I am not saying this not what they would do like you suggested, I am saying this is dumb line of thinking consider the current state of this aging team, possible FA departure in 14 and the reservoir of FA available to replace those guys.

  86. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    I agree YT. Let the pitchers carry this team, while seeing if they can grow some offensive upside.

    Although not yet with Austin.

  87. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    I want Cervelli, Nunez, and Almonte/Mesa playing over the marginal, aging veteran alternatives. That is something Cashman should insist on, if necessary. More upside, and they have to know what they have in each.
    ——————————–

    Here’s the problem with that. You’re hoping to see young players, which I agree with, but in the case of Nunez and Cervelli, their upsides are as back ups.

    I like what Cervelli’s done this spring, and I’m hopeful he can carry it through, but more likely he’s going to be exposed pretty quickly playing every day. Nunez is a brutal defensive player other than at SS and he’s not supplanting Derek. Cashman said last night that Jeter will probably do some DHing against LHP which means that’s where Nunez will get the majority of his PT.

  88. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Trader,

    I would be thrilled if they broke camp with Mesa in CF and Mustellier on the bench and told Rivera and Diaz to take a hike. I would also be happy if they took Romine north and sent Stewart packing.

    What I think’s most likely is that Mesa is the starting CF, Rivera is the RH bat off the bench/4th OF’er and Stewart and Cervelli split catching duties with Cervelli catching Hughes, Nova and Kuroda and Stewart catching CC and Andy. When Granderson comes back, Mesa will go to AAA.

    The hope here is that Romine and Mustelier have very good starts to their AAA seasons and that the Yankees recognize this and make a change at some point. I don’t think it will happen, I think that if the pitching is going well then Girardi and Cashman won’t want to mess with the catchers and they’ll worry that Mustelier wouldn’t be able to hit in spot duty.

  89. 4TrainNorth March 6th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    I agree–give as many kids a shot as possible. This team was boring last year, and it’s going to more boring by half this year.

  90. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Chip

    Stew’s upside is lower, and I still think Nunez can hit like a somewhat above league average SS with killer speed.

    Nix is less than that.

  91. Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Later.

  92. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    FWIW – if they were smart, what they would do is use Mustelier as a bat off the bench in AAA so that they can see if he can do it. But they won’t do that. They’ll play him every day, he’ll hit, but they’ll leave him in Scranton because they don’t know if he would be able to hit in part time duty…it’s a dumbass cycle. Same one they went through with Brandon Laird, Andy Phillips, and Shelley Duncan.

  93. Yankee Trader March 6th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Right now the opening day lineup could have:

    ??? @1st
    Cano @ 2nd
    Nunez @ SS
    Yooukilis @ 3rd
    Tandem @ C
    Ichiro @ RF
    Gardner @ CF
    ??? @ LF
    Hafner @ DH

    Randy-

    Don’t you think that businesses have a better chance of being successful, when they make proactive business decisions rather than “reactive” ones?

  94. Doreen March 6th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Clearly some of the way they were doing business needed some change (the too-large contracts for mediocre players), and I give Hal credit for recognizing that and trying to switch things up. I also don’t disagree with the tactic of not over-spending on bullpen and bench. I also don’t find fault with trying to get some advantage from the CBA in terms of resetting the luxury tax to a more palatable level.

    I’d guess they thought the timing was about right, given the available Free Agents this past off-season and next. Then they gambled that things would fall just right.

    I used to err on the side that thought perhaps they were getting ready to sell, but you don’t sell the Yankees without stars. So, there’s that.

    What will be a bad turn of events for me, is if the team “tanks” and Hal et al. stubbornly stick to whatever plan it is they have. If he switches course, as he has hinted he would if the Yankees were not a contending team, then I say, well, he had the luxury of being able to take a risk, took it and it didn’t work out; back to business as usual (with probably some changes that stick).

  95. randy l. March 6th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    “Unless the Team tanks badly I do not expect Hal to come to the rescue.

    Maybe not even then.

    I think he wants to sell.”

    mtu-

    hals’ plan will tank. that’s a given. it’s a bad plan by someone inexperienced in the business he’s in.
    if hal is planning on selling the team i still say he’d get more if the yankees are a winning team.

    especially with the business slowdown starting in 2008, i’ve seen so many businesses go down because of backing off on their core business. sometimes cutting back helps, but often it does the very opposite. you have to be experienced enough in a business to know what to cut and what not to cut.

    you have to know that sometimes spending creates business. you have to know your business well enough to know what to cut and what to spend on . my belief is that hal does not know his business well enough to know what to do.

    the yankees will survive hal. that i know.

    i just find it extremely annoying watching an amateur run the yankees.

  96. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Rich in NJ March 6th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Chip

    Stew’s upside is lower, and I still think Nunez can hit like a somewhat above league average SS with killer speed.

    Nix is less than that.
    —————

    I don’t disagree with you on any one point.

    However:

    Because Cervelli isn’t an every day catcher the Yankees won’t have him catch every day – they’ll do a 3/2 split with him and Stewart.

    Nunez might hit enough to be an average offensive short stop, but he’s not starting over Derek so the only times he’s going to play there are when Derek is DHing against LHP or getting a day off. And Nix might get the nod over Nunez because Nunez is so brutal at 3b and 2b defensively.

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    “I didn’t think the offense was as bad as many others here thought, but they cannot sustain many injuries.”

    Agree, and agree.

    *************

    Unfortunately it’s a product of the steroid era, but now whenever a player seems to be susceptible to too many injuries, I start to question whether it’s the predictable aftermath to steroid use.

  98. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Trader,

    If I had to guess:

    C – Cervelli
    1b – Youk
    2b – Cano
    3b – Nix
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Gardner
    CF – Mesa
    RF – Ichiro
    DH – Pronk
    Bench: Stewart, Nunez, Rivera, Dan Johnson/Matt Diaz

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    I don’t think selling is at all in Hal or Hank’s plans.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    The great thing about having Youkilis is that he can play both 1st and 3rd.

  101. MTU March 6th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Randy-

    When you take a cow to market you do just enough to have it look good.

    No more. No less.

    There’s an optimum interms of cost/benefit.

    That is what i think Hal’s POV might be.

    He only spends more on the cow if she’s looking a bit emaciated.

    Time for breakfast.

    :)

  102. randy l. March 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    “and I give Hal credit for recognizing that and trying to switch things up.”

    doreen-

    why?

    he’s not getting any results at all.

    the yankees are a mess right now. he short term injuries are showing how thin the yankees are because of hal’s austerity plan.

    i’m actually as optimistic as you are about the yankees, but i think in a different way. i’m optimistic in the long view while you seem optimistic for the short view.

    i reassert that the yankees will survive hal, but right now he’s just going about things in a way that just isn’t the yankees.

    hal will play this out though because he can afford too. even if the team sucks, the yankees won’t go out of business. hal actually has the luxury of making bad decisions and learning on the job. that’s probably exactly what’s going to happen.

    the one problem hal has is that he’s going to fail in front of a whole lot of people. i’m hoping this speeds up his learning curve. my guess is that owning the yankees as a losing team is going to be kind of embarrassing for hal.

  103. Yankee Trader March 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Chip-

    That sounds about right, unless the Yankees sign a player waived during ST.

    They will need 5 starters right out of the gate as April 2nd and the 15th are the only days they have off the first month.

    Too many uncomfortable question marks.

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    MTU – to which I say, buck up, cow! You still have a lot to give. If you get hungry enough, we’ll make sure you have food. There’s a recession out there and a lot of cows would be happy to be treated the way you are.

    :)

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Doreen March 6th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Agree with every word of your post. When rational thinking is able to overtake raw emotion, then extremely lucid and credible thoughts abound.

    Have a great day, all.

    :)

  106. randy l. March 6th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    “When you take a cow to market you do just enough to have it look good.”

    mtu-

    it’s statements like that that make me miss gb7.

    he’d be all over that one :)

    but you’re right.

    if hal is indeed planning on selling the team, it would explain him doing just enough to get to market.

  107. Bronx Jeers March 6th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    He only spends more on the cow if she’s looking a bit emaciated.

    —————————————————————————

    It’s hard to see mad cow disease from the outside.

  108. Yankee Trader March 6th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Have to go for now.

    Kuroda will be facing the Dominican Republic team, a team that ate up the Phillies and Cole Hamels yesterday.

    Looks like the game is on at 1:05 on the MLB television network and on radio.

  109. blake March 6th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Erik Boland ?@eboland11
    Today’s lineup: Nunez 6 nix 4 hafner dh youkilis Rivera 9 Cervelli Diaz 7 Mesa 8 murton 3 Kuroda 1.

    sadly this may not be far off from the opening day lineup

  110. MTU March 6th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Sitting here eating breakfast I realize I could be completely and utterly ( pun intended) wrong.

    I usually am. And when Hal shows me up as the Fool I’ll eat crow for breakfast instead.

    But I’ll gladly accept my fate in those circumstances because it means the Yankees are on top where they belong.

    ;)

  111. randy l. March 6th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    “. When rational thinking is able to overtake raw emotion, then extremely lucid and credible thoughts abound.”

    trisha-

    as someone who’d been in business since my early twenties, i don’t see anything rational about how hal is going about his business.

    it looks to me that hal is the one being emotional and getting caught up in his own ideas rather than what actually works.

    this however will play out in the real world. we’ll soon see how hal’s plan works.
    i say it has no chance. i expect hal to be as popular in NYC as john henry is in boston right now.

    “positive”,” negative”,” rational”, “emotional” are all fine to use, but they’re just words.
    we’re going to see exactly what hal’s plan produces. we’re not looking five years down the road either. results will be in as early as this year and almost for sure in the next two years.

    as i have said, the yankees will survive hal. i would just like to see them go through the hal down period as soon as possible.

  112. Shame Spencer March 6th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Ugh on the Tex news… :arrow:

  113. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    randy, I have to agree with Doreen’s thoughts on how the Yankees are going about business. But beyond that, I can’t disagree with your post. We are going to see the fruits of Hal’s plan as early as this year. And we will also get to see what comes first – the Yankees surviving Hal, or Hal surviving the Yankees.

    It’s hard to plan for every eventuality, I think you would agree. Once again, Tex has a problem. Tex also has a hefty contract. That’s hardly Hal’s fault. I have my own thoughts about what’s going on with Tex. But I admit that these days I’m probably overly sensitive to certain things and so I try to temper those thoughts.

    It’s easier for me to blame Bud Selig for all of the woes in the world. At least it gives me somewhere to direct the steam coming out of my head.

    :)

  114. randy l. March 6th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    “There’s a recession out there and a lot of cows would be happy to be treated the way you are.”

    trisha-

    the stock market is at a record high. corporate profits are also at a record level. do you think hal is having financial problems ?

    on a small business level, my business hit an all time high last year. many of the small businesses in my town have done the same. 10% up was what most business owners were saying. we’re expecting another good year this year.

    as jerkface has pointed out, this CBA is really a smoke screen that hal is using as an excuse to cut back on the quality of the product the yankees put on the field.

    are you really taking the position that times are tough and hal has to cut back on the quality of the players the yankees put on the field?

    i think as owner of the yankees, it’s hal’s responsibility to his customers to give them the highest possible quality product that he can.

    … and that’s the way to maximize profits too because they’ll buy more of what hal is selling.

  115. Chip March 6th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Randy,

    It’s not an austerity plan. It’s an effort to get away from the long term contract that have not worked out (Alex, Tex).

    They gave money to Andy, gave money to Kuroda, gave money to CC, gave money to Youk and gave money to Mo.

    Who did they let go? A 40 year old DH who hit a couple of big home runs late but had an OBP of .308. A catcher who we were all trying to run out of town right up until the day he was gone (at which point nearly everyone switched sides) and a back up corner infielder who I liked, but wasn’t a matter of money, it was a matter of him wanting to play in Arizona where his family is.

    Swisher was the only value player they lost and, quite frankly, he’s overrated.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 6th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    randy, maybe I’m sensitive to the fact that my state once again has the highest unemployment rate in the country and businesses are leaving at a record pace and so I don’t see the land of milk and honey everywhere I look.

    I don’t think of the CBA as an excuse. I think of it as a reason.

    Maybe the big question is this: whose definition of “the highest possible quality product” takes the day. George Steinbrenner opened the coffers for many years and he went most of those years without winning a WS.

    I think the Yankees are trying to work out a balance where they can have a winning team without breaking the bank. I don’t see that as unreasonable.

    JMO of course.


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