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Thursday notes: “That’s how good Mo was”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 07, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

All spring it’s been widely suspected that Mariano Rivera would retire at the end of the season. So why is today’s news still hitting everyone pretty hard? Because of stories like this.

“When I see Mariano the first time, when he say ‘hola’ to me, I was kind of nervous,” Ivan Nova said. “It’s Mariano Rivera. I remember when I got called up to Detroit (for the first time), the way he treated me in the bullpen, it was like I was one of the veteran guys too. That makes you feel really good. … He was the one that was on top of me in 2011, pushing me, pushing me, pushing me all the time. One thing that he told me when I saw him here this year was that he was going to be on top of me, that whatever happened to me last year, we cannot let that happen again. When a veteran like that motivates you that way, it means a lot.”

And because of stories like this.

“When I go back to Japan,” Ichiro Suzuki said. “(People) would ask who was the guy that you didn’t want to face or the toughest guy that you faced. He was probably the one that would come up at the top of my list. … Usually hitters want to make, not excuses, but reasons why you got out that at-bat. With Mariano, he’s so good that you can only just say, ‘He just beat me.’ You can’t really have reasons why you got out. You just have to say, ‘He flat out beat me.’”

And because of stories like this.

“You always wonder how he gets people out so consistently,” Rob Segedin said after facing Rivera the first time Rivera threw batting practice this spring. “He’s special in that he can throw that pitch wherever he wants and it’s got that late movement. … Your first reaction is, this is going to hit me in the hip. And then all of a sudden, it’s right on the inside corner. You just tip your cap.”

And because of stories like this.

“I won’t say his name,” Joe Girardi said. “But I can really remember one guy who had incredible stats, left-handed hitter, and he said, ‘I don’t know why they even send me up there. The only place I can hit the ball hard is over our dugout.’ And their team was in the first-base dugout. At times it seemed like it wasn’t fair. That’s how good Mo was.”

Obviously we got most of today’s notes out of the way with the injury update this afternoon. Here are a few leftovers.

• Talking to the Associated Press back in Tampa, CC Sabathia said he’s still encouraged by the way his elbow feels. “I am surprised how quick it came back once I started throwing,” Sabathia said. “Getting stronger every time out and not feeling any pain is encouraging.”

• Ivan Nova gave up a run today, but he was encouraged that much of the Cardinals contact ended up on the ground. “Base hits, but ground balls,” Nova said. “If I get the base hit on the ground, that’s good. That’s a good sign.”

• With the Mark Teixeira conference call and the Rivera news, I was focused on writing during much of this game, but I did look up to see Ronnier Mustelier make some decent plays at third. He looked better in the infield than I was expecting (I’ve heard he’s a better defensive outfielder than third baseman). I thought he looked alright, actually.

• Not surprising, but Teixeira said during today’s conference call that he and Curtis Granderson were supposed to be fourth and fifth in the Yankees batting order. I think that’s how most would have predicted it.

• Brett Gardner finally went hitless, though he did draw a walk.

• Dan Johnson had a hit today, but he also made his third error of the spring. Juan Rivera went 0-for-3. Those two are suddenly worth a lot of attention with the opening at first. In other roster battle news: Francisco Cervelli had an RBI single and a stolen base; Chris Stewart doubled. … Matt Diaz, Thomas Neal and Mustelier each had hits. All were singles. Almonte made an error, but I didn’t see it. Mustelier stole a base; Diaz was caught stealing.

• Ramon Flores played center field off the bench today. He’s done that some in the minors, but I don’t believe he’d done it in big league camp until today. With Slade Heathcott and Adonis Garcia hurt, I wonder if Flores might play there again tomorrow. In other prospect news: J.R. Murphy is still putting up numbers with his third double of the spring. … Brett Marshall allowed three runs on five hits through four innings. … Austin Romine had a hit and an RBI. He’s quietly gotten his average up to .286.

• Cool comment from Ichiro: “I really thought (if) I would go to the Yankees, that was really kind of a special moment where you could see the Yankees with Jeter at short and Mariano closing games. This year, I’ll get to experience that and see that for myself.”

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167 Responses to “Thursday notes: “That’s how good Mo was””

  1. luis March 7th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Good evening everyone,

    God speed Mo… You were one of a kind…He is going to be missed… I’ll watch every outing and treasure every moment, good or bad.

    Good night

  2. luis March 7th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Put me for 89 wins on the prediction chart

  3. blake March 7th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    I like Ichiro…..really wish we had him 10 years ago

  4. luis March 7th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Blake,

    Who wouldn’t?

  5. luis March 7th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Got to go. later

  6. tomingeorgia March 7th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    luis,
    Hope all is well with you through the turmoil that’s coming.

  7. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    What up, luis?

  8. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    “I like Ichiro…..really wish we had him 10 years ago”

    I can recall reading an article somewhere before he came here with a quote from some Yankee source that they weren’t interested because his ceiling was that of Johnny Damon.

  9. Chip March 7th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    93 wins.

    Go with Musty not a vet that’s old and crusty.

  10. luis March 7th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    tomingeorgia March 7th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
    luis,
    Hope all is well with you through the turmoil that’s coming.

    =======================

    I was about to turn off the computer and saw your post… Thanks Tom, the worst will happen after the next election…There is no free dinner and they are about to present the check of years of partying with someone elses money.

  11. blake March 7th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    “I can recall reading an article somewhere before he came here with a quote from some Yankee source that they weren’t interested because his ceiling was that of Johnny Damon.”

    That’s even more funny considering they went on to sign Johnny Damon

  12. blake March 7th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Cano 3-3 tonight

  13. luis March 7th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Hey Rich,

    Not much… Lots of work, very little time to actually watch the team, so I am a little out of the loop… Just impressed about the number of injuries we have sustained and the fact that Romine is not the front runner for the catching position, also about the defensive playing from Cervelli. I saw him down here on winter ball and hisdefense was lacking to be kind with him.

  14. blake March 7th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Lot of good hitting in this DR/Venezuela game….pitching not so much

  15. mick March 7th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    they said Musty was from the DR in the game yesterday. think they would do their homework.

  16. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    luis

    Good to hear from you. Like tom, I have been concerned about the impact of the situation in your country.

    Interesting contrast about that state of Cervelli’s defense. According to some reports, Stewart is the front runner. I would hope that the impact of the injuries on their offense would give them pause.

  17. blake March 7th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Hope everything is well Luis….I’ll echo the others and hope things there are ok

  18. randy l. March 7th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    pat m -

    excellent article that you sent. thanks.

    for everyone else. this guy used to be the head of baseball prospectus.

    don’t read unless you want some reality. not for optimists.
    definitely R( eality) rated.

    http://www.grantland.com/story.....es-to-fall

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Vineyard and luis – got your predictions.

    :)

  20. MTU March 7th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Luis-

    All the best amigo.

    I was hoping for good things after the Commandante passed.

    Still hope it goes that way.

  21. blake March 7th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Boy that looked like the old Hanley there….that was launched

  22. luis March 7th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Thanks Blake…. They are for now… In any case, I have moved the family out of the country, just in case.

    Now I have to go for real… Have a good night all

  23. luis March 7th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    MTU!!

    Thanks my friend… About your comment, I am not very optimistic to tell you the truth… Good to see you… Again good night my friend

  24. blake March 7th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    I want Carlos Santana

  25. blake March 7th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Sounds good Luis….take care

  26. MTU March 7th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Luis-

    Are they going to hold another election ?

  27. MTU March 7th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    So what’s happening Blake ?

    Too many injuries for this early in the season.

  28. blake March 7th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Yes too many injuries…..not much bud just trying to survive each day ….spring is almost here I hope.,,.teady for the season to start and ready for the kids to be able to get outside

  29. MTU March 7th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Blake-

    Kids need to be outside. You’re right about that.

    Spring brings hope and renewal.

  30. blake March 7th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Strope quick pitching…..kinda bush league but effective

  31. MTU March 7th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    I’m rooting for Mustelier.

    1st time I saw him line a clean single to the opposite field I said to myself that guy can hit.

    I saw some of that in Adonis Garcia too.

    Will the Yankees ever give guys like them a chance ?

    Now would seem to be the time.

  32. blake March 7th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    I agree…. If ever there was a time to give some younger guys a shot why not now

  33. austinmac March 7th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Girardi said today the bulk of the games in the spring at first will be played by Rivera and Johnson.
    McGehee must be unavailable.

  34. MTU March 7th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Blake-

    I’m ready.

    Don’t want to see any more retreads. I’ll live w. the mistakes in exchange for some frickin’ excitment.

    We need some youth to open up the clogged arteries of this sclerotic team.

    ;)

  35. Vineyard Yankee March 7th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Gracias ! :)

  36. MTU March 7th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Mo should go out a Champion.

    ;)

  37. tomingeorgia March 7th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Mister MTU,
    Beautiful pictures today, as always. If Mustelier can pay third and maybe first, as well as corner outfield, they cannot let him not come north. He has hit at every level. I like him.

  38. MTU March 7th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    See you all on the sunnyside.

    :)

  39. Rich in NJ March 7th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    “Girardi said today the bulk of the games in the spring at first will be played by Rivera and Johnson.”

    I wonder if this is his preference, a consensus decision with Cashman, or, like Cashman usually handled roster construction with Torre, a deferral.

    Whatever it is, it isn’t good.

  40. jacksquat March 7th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    mick March 7th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
    they said Musty was from the DR in the game yesterday. think they would do their homework.

    Where is Musty from? And who cares about Musty? He isn’t on the Yankees…

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Oh I hope MTU is still here. If so, MTU I was BLOWN AWAY by your pictures. I swear I got chills looking at them. They are magnificent on two levels. First of all, that you have that kind of phenomenal beauty around you is amazing. So much beauty. The other thing is your talent. I am blown away that those are photos. They look like paintings! Gorgeous paintings. I don’t know exactly how you would turn those into posters or paintings, but I really hope you consider doing so. You should be selling those. Again – what an amazing talent God has given you.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    If MTU is gone for the evening, I will share my thoughts with him on the morrow.

    Night all.

    :)

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 7th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Oh yeah, just so I remember. What are those little houses on the hillside?

  44. UnKnown March 7th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    Rodney looks like a complete tool with his hat on like that.

    Just wear it backwards Fernando, you idiot.

  45. Chip March 7th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    gotta love Bill Madden. He has a column up in the Daily News about how in the wake of all the injuries Cashman needs to act bold, stop talking about the farm system and use the guys in the system to go out and get Chase Headley…whether you agree or not it is well thought out.

    Until…

    In his last paragraph he says “Apparently, Mariano Rivera is feeling the same way. After surveying the depleted Yankee landscape, which Cashman has wrought with his small-ball winter that doesn’t bode well for a promising season, the indomitable Mo is seeing the decline of the Evil Empire and has called a press conference at Steinbrenner Field on Saturday, purportedly to tell the world that, after this season, he’s outta here.”

    As if Rivera’s decision has nothing to do with the fact that he’s 43 and has been contemplating retirement for years now and would have retired after last season had it not been for the knee injury.

  46. Pat M. March 8th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Chip.. I agree with on Mariano retiring after this past season. 2012 was the last shot for the NY Yankees in th eJeter / Rivera Era. 2013 was going to be a very challenging season and this was before Curtis and Tex went down. I looked at them as a razor thin ballclub that had to be very efficient in order to have a shot at The AL East. Lot’s of bubble gum and Elmers Glue defines the 2013 NY Yankees

  47. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Madden, like most reporters, is valuable for his ability to break news, not his analysis.

    That said, Hal better be prepared for an onslaught of negative press about the decline of the franchise if they struggle.

    That’s the way the media, operates in sports, business, and politics.

    You’re the greatest thing ever, until you’re not.

    Then, if you turn it around, they develop collective amnesia about their prior hit pieces, and you’re the greatest thing ever once again.

  48. Jerkface March 8th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Kingdom of Prospects stunning Cuba with their unique brand of Honkbal

  49. Doreen March 8th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Rich you certainly have that right!

  50. Tar March 8th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    ‘Lot’s of bubble gum and Elmers Glue defines the 2013 NY Yankees”

    I really want Mo, Andy and Jeet to have one more shot at it. It’s about all I have left in the tank for this year.

    Who knows sometimes teams just click. This Yankee team does have a very interesting and really good core about it. They may just morph into being better than any of us expected.

    But its just not going to happen with Juan Rivera and washed up veterans filling key spots. A little thinking outside the box is really needed by the front office. It’s time for Cashman to step up to the plate, and we need a hit!! He can do it.

    One mo time, for MO!

    Good night all.

  51. UnKnown March 8th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    Smiley rockets one into Center and the Dutch are primed here to pull off the upset.

    5 DP’s turned already through 6 innings.

  52. Pat M. March 8th, 2013 at 1:39 am

    I clearly remember sitting at the golf club having a few pops when the Granderson deal came down. An employee for the Rockies at that time mentioned that the Yanks will complete the winter by signing the right hand hitting Matt Holliday to revamp the outfield and move past the Matsui and Damon era……. Some guys felt that had they inked Matt Holiday, Cashman could pass on the lefthand hitting centerfileder and retain Kennedy, Coke and Austin Jackson. But for me, getting both Granderson and Holliday certainly would have improved the club’s chances towin either in 2010, 2011 and 2012… One one think they could have made the World Series with that group……..The key was Holliday, know some said that passing on Josh Hamilton will cost the Yanks 7 wins and 500,000 FANS…We’ll see real soon……Cervelli / Stewart are the Yanks catchers ,,, Really, Russell Martin, by June, you’ll be missed by many, and I’m talking former teamamtes

  53. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 6:24 am

    Trisha-

    Thanks so much for the kind words. I plan on doing exactly as you have suggested w some of them.

    What you described is called Fine Art photography.

    :)

  54. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 6:26 am

    Mister Tom-

    So far I see good things from Ronnier. I remember when we had Juan Miranda. I used to like him too.

    At least w the bat. They barely gave him a shot. Hope that is not Mustelier’s fate.

  55. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 6:33 am

    What’s the scoop w. Nuno ?

    He does not throw hard but he seems to get people out.

    And he’s a lefty. Is he a candidate for the pen ?

    I wonder when Cabral will be ready ? Rondon ?

    Some of our potential lefty pen replacements.

    What about Adams for 3B ?

  56. Doreen March 8th, 2013 at 6:40 am

    Morning’ MTU.

    They cut Adams already. They must not trust his health. Maybe after in the year if the need arises?

    I am hoping that they give Mustelier a few more chances at third and that he does as well as he seemed to do yesterday. That would allow them to move Youkilis to first and move on from Johnson and Rivera.

    Remember the days when first base was where your old hitters went before they retired?

    But if the team is going to depend on pitching, the necessary corollary to that is having a good defense. And without a sure-handed first baseman, I fear the need to be more accurate in their throws will be a problem for all but Cano.

  57. Doreen March 8th, 2013 at 6:42 am

    MTU, do,you carry a tripod with you on your hikes?

  58. Doreen March 8th, 2013 at 6:48 am

    There is a beautiful snow cover this morning. A surprise to me. I don’t watch the weather reports unless I have to know.

  59. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 6:55 am

    Good morning Doreen.

    It is so good to see you around again.

    When we had all that trouble I missed your presence.

    In response to your question the answer is yes. It is absolutely necessary to capture the fine detail.

    Mine is carbon fiber and relatively light.

    Did not know about Adams. I hope he gets a shot. He can hit.

    Yes. If Ronnier could handle 3rd they could return Youkilis to 1st. But will they give a youngster a chance ?

  60. Doreen March 8th, 2013 at 7:10 am

    That is the $189 million question, isn’t it? I certainly hope so. I fear if they bypass all the youngsters it will send a pretty sad message through the ranks of the minors.

  61. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 7:14 am

    Doreen-

    Yes. They need to start finding out what they truly have.

    With 189 and all of they injuries this would seem to be the perfect time.

    But you know the ultra-conservative Yankees.

    ;)

  62. Doreen March 8th, 2013 at 7:17 am

    I like to think that Ronnier is somewhere in between a youngster and a seasoned veteran. He is 28 years old and I would think as a Cuban defector he’s got to have a lot of what it would take a guy to persevere. I think he would take this opportunity and run with it.

    I have my fingers crossed.

  63. upstate kate March 8th, 2013 at 7:18 am

    Good morning

    I was very sad watching sports center this am, to hear them talking about Mo’s retirement. Schilling was gushing over Mo, said he could possibly be the best Yankee pitcher ever.

    MTU- after seeing the comments regarding your pix, I had to go back and search for them. Absolutely gorgeous. What a talent you have. They make me want to return to the SW.

  64. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 7:29 am

    Thanks Kate. If I have any ability it is on loan from God.

    It’s good to see you round.

    How is everything ?

  65. upstate kate March 8th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    Very good MTU, just busy. The cutest dog is good too ;)

  66. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Kate-

    Correction : The 2nd cutest dog is good.

    I’m glad to hear it. Try not to be such a stranger.

    ;)

  67. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Kate-

    Here’s a recent photo of the World’s cutest dog :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/Mar82013?authkey=Gv1sRgCKPtgd6M2J-2qQE#

    :)

  68. upstate kate March 8th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    awwww…what a cutie

  69. blake March 8th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    MTU,

    is that a dog?

  70. JCPD March 8th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Great pics MTU, as always!!

  71. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    I was going over some of my older photos this AM and came across a collection of some of my hiking photos.

    If you like to get out there you should like these :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/Mar82013?authkey=Gv1sRgCKPtgd6M2J-2qQE#

    Man. I sure have been a lot of places.

    Enjoy.

    :)

  72. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Blake-

    Not really. He’s actually and Ewok.

    :)

    JCPD-

    Thanks. How have ye been ?

  73. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    http://www.grantland.com/story.....es-to-fall

    “So long as the Yankees stick to their guns and aim to get their payroll under the threshold next year, they won’t be able to purchase help from outside the organization. The team’s streak of 87 or more wins is in mortal danger, and so is its streak of 20 winning seasons in a row. If the old guys show their age all at once and another key player goes down — particularly Sabathia — they could collapse like last year’s Red Sox.”- Rany Jazayerli

    not extending players (whose contracts extend into 2014) at market value is the fatal flaw of hal’s plan. swisher and martin and granderson and hughes would have never been let go in the past. there would have been no championship run had the yankees not been willing to pay market value for above average players.

    right now hal, yankee management , and pro management fans are in denial about what’s coming. they are laughing and talking up a good game. but there is little doubt they are going down. they will not win with the majority of the team filled with mediocre players.

    now , does this even matter? well it’s sports, it’s a game, so noit really doesn’t matter. let hal have his “fun”.

    the world doesn’t end when the yankees go into or near last place. in 1968 when they finished in fifth place, i was on to so california having the road trip of a life time. when they were in last place in 1990 i snuck into pro baseball and became a bullpen catcher which was the ultimate fantasy camp if you love baseball. in neither case was i thinking a whole lot about what the yankees were doing.

    so when they go into last place , i seem to have lots of free time to do other things. hal’s problem is that a whole lot of other yankee fans may find things to do that become some of the best times in their lives.

    what will you be doing when the yankees hit rock bottom,
    giving hal money or having great life experiences with all that free time?

    does someone in the entertainment business like hal really want people thinking about what else they can do that is a better use of their time than watching the yankees?

  74. austinmac March 8th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    I suspect a Cuban player who has made it to the US has enough hutzpah to survive in NY. He looks like he can hit, and let’s hope he can field. Please don’t keep both Rivera and Diaz.

  75. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Randy-

    We all learn by our experiences.

    I’ll just hike and photograph more.

    :)

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Read Kate’s post about Mo and my eyes filled up again. Just turned on Sports Center and two of the side line-ups are “Best-Ever Closer” and “Last Call for Rivera”. And now I am genuinely crying. I’m sure when they get to them, I’ll cry even more. I always knew this wasn’t going to be easy when it happened. I used to think about it sometimes and I’d get emotional just thinking about it.

    I know he belongs to all of us but didn’t it feel so personal with Mo? He’s been so easy to love and respect. I’m definitely having trouble with this. I’m sure we all are, to some extent. I admit it, I’m pissed. I don’t want to have to deal with this.

    I apologize for sounding and behaving like a two-year-old. Thanks for listening.

    :(

  77. MTU March 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    There’s a new one ——->

  78. JCPD March 8th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    MTU, been OK…….. laying low, figuring out what our next “move” is going to be……. and our next vacation. Here’s some from an enjoyable day off

    https://picasaweb.google.com/105244848673673377679/ClevelandZoo?authkey=Gv1sRgCJfxiO27vrC64wE

  79. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    mtu-

    i know you’ll find something good to do when the yankees are in last place :)

    really nice photos.

    and yeah you definitely should have some of them printed as fine art.

  80. Deal With It March 8th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    How about just bite the bullet now and trade both Granderson and Cano now and get back a haul ?

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