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Video: Andy Pettitte strikes out Derek Jeter in simulated game

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114 Responses to “Video: Andy Pettitte strikes out Derek Jeter in simulated game”

  1. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Mike Axisa a few minutes ago from RAB’s on 3rd Base options:

    “The Yankees have a decent amount of third base depth at the upper levels, but they lack a true impact player at the position. I suppose Youkilis could surprise and revert to his 2008-2010 ways, but he’s a deal pull right-handed hitter who will no longer have the advantage of the Green Monster. Despite its general hitter friendliness, Yankee Stadium is not kind to pull-happy righties. Nix, Adams, Joseph and even Mustelier are decent alternatives and emergency options, but the front office should keep their eyes peeled for corner infield help while Teixeira is out, even if it means acquiring a new starting third baseman with Youkilis sliding over to first.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....men-83288/

  2. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “With all due respect, your imagining does nothing but brings you aggravation”

    trisha-

    with all due respect, if i ran my life without imaging the future and projecting possible futures, i’d be out of business.

    you seem to live in a world where numbers and probability don’t matter much. you’re obviously not a business or financial attorney. what i get from imagining different scenarios and making a good choice for the future is the satisfaction that comes from success. when i make bad decisions, not so much

    and as far as satisfaction goes, i’m feeling pretty smug right now watching hal’s plan being exposed
    would i rather be right or have the hal be right?

    i like having the good judgement to be right.
    that’s why watching the yankees be in this mess isn’t “aggravating”. it really is an,”i told you so”.

    i don’t just want the yankees to win; i want them to win in a certain way or ways.
    the yankees under hal and cashman just aren’t my idea of the yankees.
    i definitely do hope they fail.

    the sooner they do , the sooner the’ll be back to being the real yankees.

  3. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Chad-

    Pettitte not only struck Jeter out, but had him swinging at a pitch well out of the strike zone.

    Your thoughts on Mustelier, especially his defense, from what you have seen in LF and RF, and yesterday at 3rd.

    From the above Mike Axisa article on Ronnier Mustelier:

    “It’s worth mentioning 28-year-old Ronnie Mustelier here, who played third base in yesterday’s Grapefruit League game — Joe Girardi said that was planned before Teixeira’s injury — and has played 26 games at the position in the minors since signing two years ago. The Yankees have moved him down the defensive spectrum from second to third to left in the last 20 months or so, but it’s fair to wonder if they’ll give him a longer look at third in the coming weeks. Mustelier can hit a fastball and put the ball in play, but the defense is a question. I don’t think he’s a legitimate third base candidate at the big league level but we shouldn’t rule it out.”

    Your thoughts?

  4. Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    There’s just this weird thought process about how other teams win without spending money.. but it’s completely at odds with the fact that we’re the winningest franchise in MLB…… and we spend the most money.

  5. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    If Youkilis duplicates his 2012 numbers, acquired at US Cellular Field in only 133 at bats and multiply by 4, he’ll be the MVP in the AL.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....n-youkilis

  6. 86w183 March 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Hello all… long time no see… March is one of my busiest months so I’ve been sorta scarce and no, I don’t do taxes!

    I don’t get all these doomsday concerns. The Yanks still have outstanding pitching and should be good-to-excellent defensively. I agree the offense is a whole lot worse than a year ago today, but I’m perfectly willing to watch it play out.

    We’ll see how the front office reacts to situation if/when the Yanks struggle.

    I’m fine with giving Mustelier a chance. I’d be finer with sending a handful of prospects to San Diego, however.

  7. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    “Swisher was the third best offensive player last year yet many were thrilled when the Yankees never even talked contract with him. He is a principal reason they have been in the playoffs the last few years. By the way he is hitting over .500 this spring with three homers. Who needs power?”

    austin mac-

    the yankees haven’t let a guy like swisher go because they didn’t want to pay market value since, as someone pointed out on the blog, reggie.

    it’s un-yankee like for an owner to punt like this.

    he’s just throwing away at least 3-4 years.

    i ‘d have no problem if hal looked at the situation and said” let’s blow it up and start over”.

    that could get them back to winning again much quicker. it would be fun to watch. if they did this they’d of course get a young sharp gm to do it.

    but this isn’t what we’re seeing. we’re seeing a really old team on a downward spiral. not fun to watch at all.

  8. Tackelberry March 8th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Honestly, we gave away Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and IPK for Granderson.
    Is he better than Ajax right now?
    ________________________________________

    Easy to say that now, but seriously, would you or alot of other fans have felt the same way those first 2 years watching Jackson strike out in every other at bat? YOu would have been ripping Cashman’s head off fr not making the trade. Hard to argue with the production Granderson has given the Yanks these last 3 years. And as for Kennedy, I still think he would have not been anywhere near as successful pitching in the AL East. He got shelled continuously, but incredibly each time thought he pitched ok. Had attitude problems.

  9. blake March 8th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    “There’s just this weird thought process about how other teams win without spending money.. but it’s completely at odds with the fact that we’re the winningest franchise in MLB…… and we spend the most money.”

    wonder if there is a correlation

  10. mick March 8th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    The Granderson trade was a no brainer.
    How does the I-told-you-so brigade get the gumption to proclaim this season a failure before it has even started.
    Tex going down can be a blessing in disguise as player(s) could emerge that ordinarily wouldn’t have.
    Some people just live to be right and relish sticking it in the face of others.
    Seems like an empty life to me…

  11. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    “There’s just this weird thought process about how other teams win without spending money.. but it’s completely at odds with the fact that we’re the winningest franchise in MLB…… and we spend the most money.”

    human capital is an asset and cash is an asset.

    the rays mostly have the human capital and the yankees mostly have the cash.

    it would be great to have the rays guys managing the yankees, but i bet if they did, they’d use the cash as a strategic tactic to get to a time where they didn’t have to spend so much.

    this is just the wrong time to try to cut spending.

    it’s not the end of the world if the yankees free fall to last place. they won’t be contracted and sent to triple a. the yankees will be back. the question is how soon.
    i figure the sooner hal tries his plan, the sooner it get’s over with.

  12. astrocityfan March 8th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    mlb traderumors was reporting earlier this morning that the padres might be shopping chase headley. Now that would be a good get if cash can pull it off. I also saw some noise yesterday about Tyler Colvin of the rockies. Any reports on what the rockies might be looking for to trade him?

  13. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    86w183-

    Good morning. I hope the Yankees have outstanding pitching from top to bottom.

    We haven’t even seen CC, Pettitte, Hughes or Rivera. Logan is dealing with a sore pitching elbow, Rapada with tendinitis in his pitching shoulder, Robertson with minor ache right shoulder. The Yankees play every day in April except the 2nd and 15th, so they will need 5 starters and good relief work out of the pen.

    Still early but still question marks about the pitching.

  14. blake March 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    The only thing I will say about the Granderson trade is that they probably should have just signed Holliday instead and kept the prospects……

    player wise it was a fair deal…..but they chose to make a trade instead of spending money and that’s something that usually doesn’t work out great……because the prospects could turn in to something that you’d have in addition to the player they signed.

    So the trade was fair and good from that stand point in a vacuum…..but when you consider that they could have just signed Holliday and had him plus Jackson, Kennedy and Coke then there is the rub IMO

  15. blake March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Chase Headley Chase Headley Chase Headley

  16. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    “The Granderson trade was a no brainer.
    How does the I-told-you-so brigade get the gumption to proclaim this season a failure before it has even started.”

    mick-

    not bad for a first post. keep working it, and you’ll get sharper as the morning goes on :)

  17. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    “Chase Headley Chase Headley Chase Headley”

    ok, i’m in.

  18. mick March 8th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Coke was through here.
    IPK didn’t want to be here.
    That deal was Grandy for Ajax, a no brainer.

  19. blake March 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “That deal was Grandy for Ajax, a no brainer.”

    if you didn’t have the option of signing a better player in Matt Holliday for money only then sure…..

  20. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “The only thing I will say about the Granderson trade is that they probably should have just signed Holliday instead and kept the prospects……”

    blake-

    do you remember how CB said the yankees just had to sign holliday? to him that was the no brainer move.

  21. mick March 8th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    randy, nice try. you’re not as sharp as you think.
    what do they call it…”a legend in your own mind?”
    keep the stories coming tho’…

  22. pkyankfan69 March 8th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    I’m calling the Twins and asking about Mauer.

    Screw the budget.

    Mauer takes over at first while Tex is out, he slides behind the plate when Tex returns.

    Realistic? Of course not but it would be awesome.

  23. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    “Coke was through here.
    IPK didn’t want to be here.
    That deal was Grandy for Ajax, a no brainer.”

    mick-

    the deal only makes sense if the yankees were going to sign granderson long term.

    if they are letting him walk, its a bad deal.

    i still say it’s not too late to sign granderson if hal will forget his 189 whim.

  24. blake March 8th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    “do you remember how CB said the yankees just had to sign holliday? to him that was the no brainer move.”

    yes….me, him, and MTU talked about it all winter. I couldn’t understand why they didn’t and to me that represented a shift in the front office…..for the first time they had a need….a perfect option to replace and passed because of money

  25. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Blake-

    I know Holliday’s father, a die-hard Yankee fan, wanted him to sign with the Yankees.

    Refresh my memory on his signing with the Cardinals. Did the Yankees even engage in talks with his agent? Did they allocate the money toward another FA?

  26. astrocityfan March 8th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    if we cant get headley im all for moving youk to first and giving musty a chance. I just cant see girardi wanting unproven players at third and in the outfield though. I cant see him being comfortable with that. So i expect rivera\johnson at first and hope that its mesa or almonte in the outfield and not diaz

  27. mick March 8th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    grandy has not lived up to his potential here and like tex has declined as a hitter.
    he takes advantage of the porch but has fallen in love with it.
    if they can get a good look at Mesa over the next few months or so it again can be a blessing in disguise.

  28. Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    There’s gotta be a way to actually test for whether pitching or hitting is key… couldn’t you compile the ERAs for all pitchers and the run support they receive from their teams on average and compare them to wins/loses or something?

    Obviously I’m not a statistician, as my explanation above proves.. but there probably is a way to determine if the ‘pitching is key’ mantra is fact or fiction.

    I’m not arguing against the idea.. I really don’t know.. I just know as a card carrying member of Team Greedy I want BOTH.

  29. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    just out of curiosity, what is curtis granderson’s market value if he rolls out a .850 OPS this year?

  30. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Now if the Yankees had really been proactive, they would have signed Cespedes and traded Swisher, knowing there was no intent to extend his contract, letting him leave as a FA.

  31. mick March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    So i expect rivera\johnson at first and hope that its mesa or almonte in the outfield and not diaz
    =======================
    i’m with randy on this one as I don’t want retreads rivera/johnson at 1st.
    reminds me of when they put sheffield down there.
    saying you want them to fail with this 1B scenario is not far fetched.

  32. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    “grandy has not lived up to his potential here and like tex has declined as a hitter.”

    mich-

    then, why was it a good trade ?

    you can’t have it both ways.

    it was either a good trade because granderson is good or it was a bad trade if granderson isn’t good.

  33. mick March 8th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    it was a good trade at the time.

  34. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Shame-

    Not a statistician but the A’s won the West with 94 wins, a pitching friendly ballpark with an all new starting 5 from the year before, and one of the lowest team batting averages, and the AL leader in strikeouts[batting]. What they did well was score runs and hit homers as well as steal bases. The 2nd best ERA in the AL didn’t hurt either.

  35. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    The decline in Granderson’s and Tex’s batting average from his left side, can be largely attributable to the increasing extreme shifts they see as dead pull hitters. The Rays and Orioles lead the league in playing the shift and gobble up just about every ground ball for an out between 1st and 2nd.

  36. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    YT

    At least with Granderson it’s also because he started pulling the ball more in his last season in Detroit. I posted his spray charts in 2009 a a month or so ago. So one begets the other.

  37. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Mick-

    I was excited when the Yankees made the trade for Granderson, hearing it while in my car.

    At the same time, if the Yankees have little intention of signing him to an extension and letting him walk, then if he proves healthy and productive after his return, hopefully in May, listen to trade offers and trade him.

  38. DONNYBROOK March 8th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    I still like the Tyler Colvin idea floated by Davidoff yesterday. He can play 1B and OF, and be a bench player once TEX returns. The guy that does Not fit on this team is Hafner. With all the holes on this Yankee team due to injuries, having a player on the 25 Man that can NOT play a positon, does nothing but further hamstring the Mgr.

  39. Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    @LoHudYankees

    On his way off the field, Heathcott thanks coaches for putting him through outfield drills. #suckup

    Hahahahahahaha

  40. Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Trader – Right but there’s gotta be a way to study it over all MLB teams over multiple years.. the data is there.

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 8th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    “but there probably is a way to determine if the ‘pitching is key’ mantra is fact or fiction.”

    Articles and studies have been written about it and I actually posted a few here in the past. Pitching took the day in both the regular and postseason, but in the regular season, pitching didn’t win by nearly the margin it did in the postseason.

    When I get a shot late on, I will try to find those articles and will link to them here.

  42. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “it was a good trade at the time.”

    mick-

    i was ok with it at the time, but my assumption was that the yankees were going to keep spending and sign granderson to a long term contract.

    if they said at the time they were only going to have him for 4 years, i wouldn’t have liked it at all.

    the only way it’s a good trade looking back is if they sign him to a market price long term contract.
    and yes , i realize hal would have to ABANDON his ill fated plan :)

  43. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Rich-

    Very true.

    I’m including an article written April 2012 on the spray charts from both Granderson and Teixeira from 2011.

    Granderson never used his speed nor bunted to overcome the extreme shifts, that would have increased his BA and given pause to be included in 2012 in the extreme shifts that Tex had already been facing.

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....eme-shift/

  44. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    So Sherman is pitching Aardsma for Boesch?

  45. Wave Your Hat March 8th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    I’m not sure signing Granderson to a long term contract is such a great idea. I’m not sold on how well he will age.

    The Yanks will be toast in 2014-2017 anyway. I’d rather see them pour resources into young players. Trade Granderson this year, trade Cano before he morphs into a Dodger, trade Phil. Aim for 2015 with some budget room and youth.

  46. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Thanks, YT.

    No way, I would re-sign Granderson.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    I know that this isn’t a sexy way to look at trades but the reality is that nobody knows how any player would have performed in another venue or whether his play in stadium X would have been the same in the Bronx. I realize that the only comparison we have is to look at a player where he is and make assumptions/determinations based on that – but since we all know that a change in venue can make all the difference in the world, automatically “transferring” skills and stats back to the Bronx is just not reliable.

    But since it’s all that fans have, that’s what they fall back on. It’s the reason I never bother doing comparisons once somebody has left the Bronx.

  48. joeman March 8th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    if I’m a manager playing against the NYY, I’m pitching around Cano every time

  49. mick March 8th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    The Rays and Orioles lead the league in playing the shift and gobble up just about every ground ball for an out between 1st and 2nd.
    ===============
    YT
    While the average might decrease, the shift does not rob him of doubles and triples. He and Tex are not singles hitters.
    It also does not effect his speed/stolen base #’s.
    He is not the same all around player he was when traded for.
    They are playing to the park.

  50. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Shame-

    The blog had that heated debate on whether pitching or hitting led to more championships the last 15 years or so.

    I’ve included the pitching stats from the 2012 season:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t...../league/al

    Hopefully the Yankees will be one of the top pitching staffs from top to bottom, because they certainly are going to have to switch gears on their approach at the plate in order to score runs.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 8th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Shame – here’s one. Since all that stats stuff crosses my eyes and I really don’t understand it, I just read the explanation of what it means.

    http://research.sabr.org/journ.....g-defesnse

  52. blake March 8th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    “Refresh my memory on his signing with the Cardinals. Did the Yankees even engage in talks with his agent? Did they allocate the money toward another FA?”

    to my knowledge they basically never really seriously went after him…..

  53. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    “I’m not sure signing Granderson to a long term contract is such a great idea. I’m not sold on how well he will age.”

    wave your hat-

    i’m not talking about signing granderson to a crazy contract. surely there’s going to be a fair market price for granderson. the yankees should sign him up to a fair market price contract.

    sure there are risks to signing free agents to fair market price contracts , but how can the yankees sign no long term contracts even if they start to get some prospects coming up.

    the yankees absolutely have to sign long term contracts with veteran players if they are going to be a first place team. if they aren’t trying to be a first place team, by all means go with prospects and dumpster dives.

    i just can’t get into arranging the deck chairs on the titantic as it’s sinking. the yankees are screwed for the short and medium term if they don’t change course.

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 8th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Okay, here’s another to cross your eyes:

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....pionships/

  55. blake March 8th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    I do think that Granderson’s market could fall to a point where they should consider signing him…..he may give a discount as well….I dunno. The problem obviously is the budget and that the Yanks do have outfielder (hopefully) coming……that said, warts and all Granderson is a 30 homer bat that should be able to plus a good LF….and those don’t grow on trees.

  56. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    “The blog had that heated debate on whether pitching or hitting led to more championships the last 15 years or so.

    YT

    It’s obviously balance over the course of the regular season, although truly great pitchers can have an outsized effect, particularly in the playoffs, but there are so few of them, that adopting a pitching-centric philosophy is illusory, because you can’t plan on acquiring one, and even if you get one, there is still a greater risk of injury in comparison to position players.

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 8th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Back out into the snowy blowy weather!

    Later y’all.

  58. Wave Your Hat March 8th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    “i just can’t get into arranging the deck chairs on the titantic as it’s sinking. the yankees are screwed for the short and medium term if they don’t change course.”

    I appreciate what you are saying but I think it is now too late for them to change course, they’ve already struck the iceberg. There’s no one left to sign this year, there is next to nothing to sign next year so what there is is going to get bid to the moon.

    I would stay away from giving big contracts to older guys. Focus on kids, take a few lumps for a couple of years but aim to have underpaid youth and budget room in 2015. JMHO.

  59. Tackelberry March 8th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    mick March 8th, 2013 at 10:45 am
    grandy has not lived up to his potential here and like tex has declined as a hitter.

    _______________________________

    You’re kidding right? The last 2 years he has hit over 40 hrs and driven in over 100 runs. The first year he hit 24 adn drove in 67 but he missed over a month with an injury.

  60. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    why does it matter if pitching wins or offense wins if the yankees aren’t willing to do long term contracts for pitching or offense?

    they are going to win with low priced pitchers and hitters?

    with cashman as the gm?

  61. mick March 8th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I don’t see Hal getting into bidding wars now or ever.
    Grandy will go for the bucks like they all do.
    This puts us at a severe disadvantage.
    Prospects are one thing, but even the core 4 wasn’t enough without the FA’s we picked up.

  62. Yankee Trader March 8th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Have to go.

    Thanks for the posts and replies.

    Have a great day everyone.

    Until later.

  63. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    blake

    (assuming austerity)

    If they sign Cano, and Jeter counts at about $17m, and A-Rod’s contract remains, I don’t think re-signing Granderson at any price that he would accept could leave them any flexibility.

  64. Tackelberry March 8th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:18 am
    So Sherman is pitching Aardsma for Boesch?

    _______________________________

    Pass. I’d rather have Andy Dirks than Boesch

  65. Wave Your Hat March 8th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    “I do think that Granderson’s market could fall to a point where they should consider signing him…”

    blake, I don’t think Granderson’s market value will fall due to the relative scarcity of talent available in the 2014 free agent market. If it does anyway, then I would be very wary of going against the prevailing wisdom in his case.

  66. blake March 8th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    “If they sign Cano, and Jeter counts at about $17m, and A-Rod’s contract remains, I don’t think re-signing Granderson at any price that he would accept could leave them any flexibility.”

    screw the budget….

  67. bruceb March 8th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Pitching may be the key to the kingdom but looking at last season’s stats, no AL team with fewer than 712 runs (Baltimore) and 163 home runs (Detroit) made the play-offs. Can this lineup score 712 runs because I have my doubts?

  68. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    wave your hat-

    we both see it basically the same way, except i’m choosing to put a big spotlight on hal and call him an ass hole at all times.

    he’s an ass hole for taking down the yankees on a personal whim.

    he seriously doesn’t deserve to own the yankees.

  69. mick March 8th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Like Tex, I see Aardsma as a liability, due to the excessive tweetage effect on his arm.

  70. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    “screw the budget….”

    that’s what george would say.

  71. blake March 8th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    lets say Grandy would do 3/30 to come back and play LF…..they should do that if so

  72. mick March 8th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Didn’t Mo schedule a presser last year when he teased about retiring, leaving it open?
    Can this happen again?

  73. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    I wouldn’t do it.

  74. mick March 8th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    he’s an ass hole for taking down the yankees on a personal whim.
    ===========================================
    has this officially happened yet?

  75. Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Thanks for the links guys, I’ll review in depth.

    On the surface, I do want to say I’m not sure if these are just evaluating pitching and how it correlates to winning or the relationship between pitching and run support and how that correlates to winning.

  76. Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    blake March 8th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    lets say Grandy would do 3/30 to come back and play LF…..they should do that if so

    ————–

    I would. And plan to bat him 7th or 8th.

  77. blake March 8th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    “I would. And plan to bat him 7th or 8th.”

    yup….would take him to age 35 or so….would be a good deal baseball wise mostly likely but would throw a wrench in operation 189……

  78. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    I would rather go with Gardner, Healthcott, and Austion.

  79. Wave Your Hat March 8th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    I see Grandy getting significantly more than 3/30. If he doesn’t, then there’s something worrying the bidders.

  80. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    “has this officially happened yet?”

    mick-

    they of course have to play the games, but i think romney had as much chance on winning the last election as hal’s plan has the yankees being in first place this year now that the inevitable injuries have happened.

    i said in the winter that the yankees would have to have less injuries than an average team to make the playoffs. this isn’t looking likely at this point.

    now, the injuries may be over with granderson and teixeira. if that’s the case, yeah the yanks could still make the playoffs.
    but if one more key player, especially a pitcher goes down for a significant amount of time, forget it.

  81. mick March 8th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    While I appreciate your predilection for foreseeing possible future problems and correcting them before they manifest, it is futile at this point, other than the venting.

    It won’t take long for fans to jump on the “fire Hal” bandwagon if they get off to a bad start.

    Most are knowledgeable and can see what is going on…

  82. Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    The only problem I see with resigning Grandy is next year when you still have Ichiro.. that being said, Mason, Austin and Heathcott still need more time anyway.

  83. Tackelberry March 8th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    ANother strong outing for Chien Ming Wang today in the WBC. Pitched 6 shutout innings against Japan, scattering 5 hits. Don’t know about his velocity though. I’m sure the Yankee scouts were watching closely.

  84. mick March 8th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    but if one more key player, especially a pitcher goes down for a significant amount of time, forget it.
    ==============
    as can happen with any team.
    are you a worrier :) ?

  85. Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    I would rather go with Gardner, Healthcott, and Austion.

    ————

    If this was realistically going to be our OF in 2014 I’d be on board.. but it very likely won’t be.

    I just like Grandy’s power at the bottom of the order. Again, my opinion isn’t based on the budget.. just what I’d like to happen lol. Realistically, they probably won’t resign him and use Almonte or Mesa for a year.

  86. Tackelberry March 8th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 11:50 am
    The only problem I see with resigning Grandy is next year when you still have Ichiro.. that being said, Mason, Austin and Heathcott still need more time anyway
    _______________________________________

    ALmonte should be ready though, if he doesn’t make it up this year

  87. Shame Spencer March 8th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Tackelberry March 8th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    ANother strong outing for Chien Ming Wang today in the WBC. Pitched 6 shutout innings against Japan, scattering 5 hits. Don’t know about his velocity though. I’m sure the Yankee scouts were watching closely.

    ——————-

    I’d like to add him for depth but he might end up pushing for a big league deal instead of a minor league contract.

  88. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    right now is the perfect time to get an under market contract with granderson. the yankees are the only one who can talk contract with him, and he’s obviously uncertain how quickly he’ll come back and put up his normal numbers.

    the yankees know he can play in yankee stadium. it’s not much of a risk.

  89. blake March 8th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Gardner may cost more as a FA than Granderson…..I dunno. I think it depends on what kind of year Granderson has…..

  90. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Shame

    Again, as much as would like to do something unmentionable to the budget, if there is a budget, and they sign Granderson and Cano, they can’t make any moves of note for years. That’s why I am against it.

  91. mick March 8th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Grandy and Cano would prolong the Yankee brand, if someone hasn’t whispered this in Hal’s ear as of yet.
    Lefty HR swingers are essential at The House That Ruth Built, I hope Hal knows this.
    The Dave Collins Era lasted about a week…

    Oh, btw, they were running like crazy yesterday.

  92. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    “as can happen with any team.”

    mick-

    yeah injuries do happen to every team. the yankees have already lost two of their best five players.
    you really think they can lose a third without it knocking them out of the playoffs ?

    i think you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing.

    i’m guessing if one more top player goes down that you wouldn’t bet a 1000 dollars that the yankees will make the playoffs :)

  93. mick March 8th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    i’m guessing if one more top player goes down that you wouldn’t bet a 1000 dollars that the yankees will make the playoffs
    ========================
    name a team that can lose 3 top players and still make playoffs?

  94. DONNYBROOK March 8th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I pass on Granderson due to the declining defense and speed on the bases.

  95. blake March 8th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Bob Nightengale ?@BNightengale
    Shrewd move by #stlcards to lock up Allen Craig to 5 yr, $31m deal knowing he’s 1 of premier hitters in game

    sigh….we wonder why some teams have lower payrolls than others

  96. DONNYBROOK March 8th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    W\Sox got Sale long-termed cheap also.

  97. mick March 8th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Randy, if you weren’t such a dissident, I would recommend you as an adviser to Hal.
    A special asst to the owner type of title.
    If nothing else it might get him to take the blinders off (unless this is all part of a master plan to get us younger and cost efficient) .

  98. blake March 8th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    I think we should have a budget but not extend anybody until they are free agents so that we have to pay the absolute max dollar for them…..sounds like a plan…..and while we are at it lets not trade anybody we aren’t going to sign so that we lose them for draft picks!

  99. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    “Again, as much as would like to do something unmentionable to the budget, if there is a budget, and they sign Granderson and Cano, they can’t make any moves of note for years. That’s why I am against it.”

    rich-

    why even buy into”if there is a budget”?

    hal’s budget can’t create a playoff team.

    i suppose if hal trades cano, granderson, and hughes this year and gets some amazing ready to play prospects, then the yankees could get good quickly again.

    but hal isn’t taking that route either.
    he’s going to let hughes, cano, and granderson become free agents. there are no prosects coming the way the rays got wil myers.

    i’m just not seeing a way out of this the way hal is playing it.

  100. DONNYBROOK March 8th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    I agree. Hal is milking the Yankees right into the ground. Then, he will sell.

  101. mick March 8th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Well, at least if he signs Cano and Grandy, by clearing out contracts with one year deals for 2013, then we can say you were wrong.
    This remains to be seen, of course…

  102. FiretheUMPIRE March 8th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    blake March 8th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    “I think we should have a budget but not extend anybody until they are free agents so that we have to pay the absolute max dollar for them…..sounds like a plan…..and while we are at it lets not trade anybody we aren’t going to sign so that we lose them for draft picks!”

    It’s the most uptight, conservatively run organization in the history of sports.

  103. DONNYBROOK March 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Cano can get his $$$ with numerous other teams. Why would Cano want to re-up? Hal is creating an environment that is Toxic.

  104. FiretheUMPIRE March 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Can’t commit to players with unrealized potential, no matter how promising. Can’t dump established players in fear of missing the playoffs.

    You end up with overpriced contracts and draft picks.

    And the draft picks are always low.

  105. blake March 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    maybe Mo is gonna announce that he can play 1B instead of that he’s retiring!

  106. blake March 8th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    “And the draft picks are always low.”

    they may not always be low….

  107. blake March 8th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Peter Gammons ?@pgammo
    Josh Byrnes:”We’ve worked hard to put together a good offensive team(1st OPS+ last 2 months). We’re not breaking it up now.” Headley thus…

    Peter Gammons ?@pgammo
    not avaliable right now. They have 2 years, see where they are in July

  108. FiretheUMPIRE March 8th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    I just find it hard to believe they keep digging the same holes. It took forever to get rid of the contracts of Kevin Brown, Jason Giambi, Randy Johnson, etc. Then they turn around and sign Mark Teixeira and let Rodriguez come crawling back.

  109. Deal With It March 8th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    How about just bite the bullet now and trade both Granderson and Cano now and get back a haul ?

  110. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    “name a team that can lose 3 top players and still make playoffs?”

    mick-

    the yankees last year lost rivera, pettitte, and gardner. chamberlain, and cc’s losing 5 starts didn’t help.

    the yankees were deep enough last year for that. not this year.

  111. Rich in NJ March 8th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    randy

    I’m not sure that Hal fully appreciates what this team could look like unless every question mark, both young and old, turns out positively, but until things change I am taking him at his word, with the knowledge that things may well change.

  112. Deal With It March 8th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    New Post ————— :arrow:

  113. randy l. March 8th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    “they may not always be low….”

    i can see it now.

    trisha on yankees finishing last in the major leagues next year :

    ” YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    MUMBER ONE DRAFT PICK
    PITCHING WINS”

  114. Against All Odds March 8th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    brianlopez22 March 8th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    AAO –

    I understand he wants that because then the fans can’t blame him for:
    Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, Javy Vazquez (the first time), Jon Lieber, Bobby Abreu, Randy Johnson, etc, etc on him.

    But guess what, when you are the GM, you have to own up for your mistakes.
    And he has MADE MANY!

    Cano, was by accident. Cashman tried to trade him away 3 times, only nobody wanted him because his “work ethic” was questionable, and now he’s a top-5 player.

    Who else was in our system since 1998?
    - Hughes? He’s a great #3, but not the #1 they projected him to be
    - Joba? Don’t get us started
    - Robertson? came out of nowhere
    - Nova? Jury is still out

    Honestly, we gave away Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and IPK for Granderson.
    Is he better than Ajax right now?
    I think IPK could have fetched a better piece from Arizona
    ——————-

    Sorry I took so long to reply I was shoveling the snow.

    As I said before his record even when just taking it from 05/06 is a mixed bag despite him saying they have had a lot of success. It’s maybe decent success at best if you think about it

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