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Postgame notes: “A year makes a huge difference”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 10, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There is a calmness to David Phelps that surely came from last year’s big league debut. He doesn’t seem caught up in the idea of making the roster or winning a spot in the rotation. He’s just doing what he does, and he knows it will be enough to pitch at the major league level.

“I’m telling some of the other younger kids who are going through that, trying to do too much, ‘Talk to Phelpsy,’” Joe Girardi said. “He’s been there, and he’s been there recently. A year makes a huge difference.”

It is an interesting side effect of Phelps’ strong rookie year: He’s proven to young pitchers in the Yankees system that opportunities aren’t limited to guys who were drafted by the Pirates or Padres.

“He’s one of my good friends,” Adam Warren said. “I can relate to him and his experiences, that sort of thing, and see that we were together in Triple-A one year and the next year he’s in the big leagues. I can see that it’s obtainable. It can get there. It makes it more realistic.”

Said Brett Marshall: “It gives you a little more confidence knowing that, if he can make it, you definitely could if you work hard enough. You see where he is. If you start pitching well enough, you’ll get there.”

• Juan Rivera is hitting this spring. His 3-for-4 afternoon included his fourth double, which puts him in a tie for the team lead in extra-base hits (he has four, same number as J.R. Murphy). The Yankees are in the market for a first baseman, a outfield replacement, and a right-handed outfield reserve. Rivera is a candidate for all three. “He’s done a good job wherever we’ve put him,” Girardi said.

• Speaking of moving around, Ronnier Mustelier got another turn at third base today. His only play in the field was a popup, which he handled. His only at-bat was a strikeout by Ramon Ortiz.

• Dellin Betances was on this trip, but he was only going to get in the game if Phelps couldn’t pitch deep. Phelps went five, so Betances stayed in the bullpen. “I’ll try to get him in tomorrow,” Girardi said.

• Vidal Nuno went 2.1 scoreless innings with two strikeouts. Of course he did. He’s having a tremendous spring; really putting himself on the map after last year’s strong results in Double-A. Still seems like a long shot to make the big league roster, but if this continues in Triple-A, he could certainly be in line for a call up.

• Brett Gardner went 0-for-3 with a walk and a run scored. He’s still hitting over .400 this spring. The top three guys in the Yankees order reached base in the fifth inning, and they all scored on Rivera’s double. That was the extent of the scoring in this one. The only non-Rivera hits were singles by Kevin Youkilis and Thomas Neal.

• As impressive as the Rivera double: Youkilis scoring from first base on the play.

• Girardi said, as far as he knows, no Yankees were hurt today. A win with no injuries and no errors just might make this the best day in Yankees camp all spring.

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300 Responses to “Postgame notes: “A year makes a huge difference””

  1. blake March 10th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    B Phillips may have just saved the game

  2. blake March 10th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Phelpsy is really making them think about this competition …..he’s got moxie

  3. Tabbert March 10th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    This is way too stressful for a march game.

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Tabbert, I’m loving it because the WBC really is pretty meaningless to me. So I can’t think of a more exciting game to watch. I love this tight kind of baseball. :)

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    But I am SOOOO loving watching baseball. Every offseason I forget how much I miss it – until I see it again!

  6. blake March 10th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    B Phillips is ballin

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Always liked Brandon Phillips also. He is the real deal.

  8. blake March 10th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    I care more about this game than I care to admit….I can’t help it

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    blake – nothing wrong with that! You love/live the game of baseball! I think it’s great. :)

  10. BIG AL March 10th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Hey Blake, how about those Blue Devil’s.

  11. blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    There are some players on this team I really like and getting a chance to cheer for them is cool

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    “There are some players on this team I really like and getting a chance to cheer for them is cool”

    I absolutely hear that!

  13. blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    BIG AL says:
    March 10, 2013 at 7:03 pm
    Hey Blake, how about those Blue Devil’s.

    They are better this year ….not much else to say …..we will get them back next year

  14. blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    D wright, Adam jones, B Phillips, Mauer, Giancarlo, are some of my favorite non Yankees

  15. BIG AL March 10th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    blake – Sounds like the Mets, lol.

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Thanks Chad for Betances update.

  17. blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    BIG AL says:
    March 10, 2013 at 7:06 pm
    blake – Sounds like the Mets, lol.

    The mets don’t have a better all time record against the Yankeess…..UNC does against Dook…..

  18. blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Hosmer!

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Just got chills!

    :)

  20. BIG AL March 10th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    blake -

    just busting, :)

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    “D wright, Adam jones, B Phillips, Mauer, Giancarlo”

    I sometimes think that Mauer is too full of himself. But the others, I absolutely agree. (Though Mauer is of course a great player)

    Tell me, what happens now to Team Canada? Are they still in it, or is this elimination for them?

  22. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    I have to ask, why do you think Mauer is too full of himself? He is one of the nicest guys in the game.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    JF, is this an elimination game for Team Canada?

    I just remember him doing a lot of self-serving jawboning when he first hit the big stage.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    “I care more about this game than I care to admit….I can’t help it”

    And I always feel bad for whatever team is eliminated…I can’t help it.

    :(

  25. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    JAP – I meant the O’s before. I know people are skeptical they’ll repeat but I think they actually look like a better team than last year.

  26. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Yea Canada is going home if they lose. I don’t recall that from Mauer. Maybe he grew out of it.

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Wow, Kimbrel.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    “Yea Canada is going home if they lose. I don’t recall that from Mauer. Maybe he grew out of it.”

    He probably did.

  29. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Thank god USA makes it to the 2nd round in their own sport. Glad Italy came through as well, I love the surprise teams.

    Netherlands vs Cuba is going to be good. Either Kingdom of Prospects honkbals their way into the semi-finals or we get to keep watching one of the most talented teams in the tournament.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    LOVE Adam Jones!!!!!

    So happy he got Player of the Game!

    :)

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    The Yanks game from today is on at 3:00 a.m. if anyone wants to watch/DVR it.

  32. CompassRosy March 10th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Rats, I was rooting for Canada :(

    (guess my Mariner rooting interest is deeper than my country rooting interest ~ Michael Saunders was on fire ~ player of the game yesterday)
    It would have been cool to see Canada advance, since they were likely one of the underdogs.

    Wasn’t this an elimination game for both USA and Canada?
    (it would have been the 2nd loss for either)

    In any case, now I’m rooting for Team Italy (go, Alex Liddi :-) )

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    That’s the way to go, Sis! Team Italy!!! (your reason doesn’t matter, ha ha)

    :)

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Ro0bby en fuego! Should be in prime shape when he gets back to us.

  35. blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Team USAs lineup does have the potential to just house everybody but the DR….they have to pitch better than they did in these first 3 though

  36. blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    JF,

    If the Yankees just decided to offer Abreu 20 million bucks to defect and stay in the states could they do that?

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Jose is just SO good. If you can have offense and defense at the C position, sure. But if I have to choose just one, I always go with the defense.

    Damn Robby!

  38. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    No. Against the rules, he isn’t a free agent.

  39. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Crap, Canada lost I take it :), but with Bobby Orr autographs, how can u go wrong?

  40. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    “at the C position, sure. But if I have to choose just one, I always go with the defense.”

    yes, great yankee teams have historically been built around defensive catchers like dickey,berra,howard,munson, and posada.

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Yeow. DR is so good. No idea about Team PR, and I really don’t have any investment in watching this game, though I am so proud to see so many of our MLB players come through.

    Speaking of DR, this is a riot:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    Amazing to watch a milkshake-ridden body continue to break down.

    karma is a witch.

    Have a great night, y’all!

    :)

  42. blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Jerkface says:
    March 10, 2013 at 7:45 pm
    No. Against the rules, he isn’t a free agent.

    He would have to defect first then be declared a FA I guess….

  43. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    And there is no way a baseball team is going to help a player defect. That would cause all kinds of trouble.

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    “yes, great yankee teams have historically been built around defensive catchers like dickey,berra,howard,munson, and posada.”

    randy, I will say it again. It’s good to have both, but if I have to choose one over the other, I choose defense. Is that okay?

    By the way, I don’t remember any of the catchers you mention being chopped liver defensively, in their prime. Maybe you know something I don’t because I’m sure you know a lot more about the particulars of all of those catchers.

    So are you saying that the Yankees ignored defense with their catchers?

  45. blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Jerkface says:
    March 10, 2013 at 7:52 pm
    And there is no way a baseball team is going to help a player defect. That would cause all kinds of trouble.

    What’s Cuba gonna do? Stop sending us cigars and drugs?

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    JAP – I meant the O’s before. I know people are skeptical they’ll repeat but I think they actually look like a better team than last year.
    ///

    I agree because those young upside guys have another year of experience and Bundy is looming. Teams with a nucleus of good young players tend to get better, not disappear.

  47. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Munson is my #1 although Posada is right up there, Bucky. I’m too young for Elston Howard. Berra, and of course, Dickey.

  48. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    What’s Cuba gonna do? Stop sending us cigars and drugs?

    MLB would probably step in, null the contract, fine the team, and do whatever to appease Cuba. If the coverage of Cuba’s international team has not informed you, MLB backs Cuba.

  49. blake March 10th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    “MLB would probably step in, null the contract, fine the team, and do whatever to appease Cuba. If the coverage of Cuba’s international team has not informed you, MLB backs Cuba.”

    I’m sure they would….but not sure why….Cuba isn’t exactly our amigos or a nice country

  50. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    One more time

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/l.....#038;rel=0

  51. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    “So are you saying that the Yankees ignored defense with their catchers?”

    no, i’m saying they emphasized offense.

    ” He brought a whole new dimension to catchers – offense! While other teams carried as an offensive black hole at catcher, Berra gave his team an extra bat. And how he wielded it – he led AL catchers in home runs and RBIs in each of nine straight seasons (1949-1957), and he did so by wide margins. His totals for those years were 235 HR and 929 RBI. The totals for each season’s runner-up – that is, a composite of the second-highest ranked catcher in each category that year – were 131 HR and 578 RBIs. One more thing: he led AL catchers in batting average four times in those nine seasons.
    Berra played on 14 pennant winners and 10 World Champions – and played in 75 World Series games, a record that is as close to unbreakable as exists in professional baseball. Tutored by his Yankee predecessor, Bill Dickey, Berra became a polished receiver. He set the career home run record for American League catchers and topped the 100-RBI mark four years in a row.”
    http://www.baseball-statistics.....tchers.htm

  52. blake March 10th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    “• Girardi said, as far as he knows, no Yankees were hurt today. A win with no injuries and no errors just might make this the best day in Yankees camp all spring.”

    No Yankees were harmed in the filming of this Yankees ST game

  53. mick March 10th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    It’s fine to say we emphasized offense at the catcher position and still can.
    Personally I don’t think it’s Romine they are waiting on, it’s Sanchez.
    For some reason, Montero did not fit the bill.

  54. mick March 10th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    I get the feeling Montero was not in the same category defensively of Yogi, Dickey, Thurm, Ellie or even Jorge.

  55. RadioKev March 10th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    mick March 10th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
    I get the feeling Montero was not in the same category defensively of Yogi, Dickey, Thurm, Ellie or even Jorge.
    ——–

    If the Yankees evaluated Montero as good a catcher as Posada, they’d be fools to have traded him. I think they finally saw a DH.

    I’m not sure I’ve seen any scouting report put Montero on Posada’s level.

  56. joeman March 10th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    mark it down..Louisville final 4 with a very good shot of winning it all

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    randy, that’s just fine. But they didn’t ignore defense, did they. They didn’t pick someone who was marginal on defense just because their offense was stellar, did they.

    I’ll say it again. If the Yankees have to sacrifice one or the other, let them sacrifice offense over defense. That’s my opinion. If your catcher isn’t a stellar hitter but he’s a good defender, he can still help you win games. If your your catcher is a marginal defender but great on offense, he can help you lose games. I hope I don’t have to explain the theory. In fact I know you totally understand what I’m saying. If you don’t agree, that’s fine too. Plenty of room for differing opinions and what part of the game (offense v. defense) one favors over the other, if indeed one favors one over the other.

  58. Against All Odds March 10th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    blake March 10th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
    D wright, Adam jones, B Phillips, Mauer, Giancarlo, are some of my favorite non Yankees

    —————

    I might catch some heat for it but I like Braun.

  59. joeman March 10th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kqP1lfz5Rk

  60. joeman March 10th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvq78Oce52A

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Once in the majors, Yogi was not regarded as the best defensive man in the business, and was used in various position, mostly in the outfield. Then there was also the matter of his looks, with some New York reporters complaining he didn’t fit the expected Yankee pedigree; he didn’t “look like a Yankee” or wasn’t “photogenic enough.”

    Berra, in fact, was given all manner of offensive nicknames, most in fun but still hurtful to be sure. One biographer, Carlo DeVito, has written: “Berra was first tormented by his own team, then later by other teams, and then by the press. … In his first few years he was called ugly, Neanderthal, caveman, gorilla, ape, nature boy, freak, Quasimodo, and many other names. Worse yet, was his own manager calling him ‘the ape.’”
    Berra’s rejoinder to the malingers would be that good looks had nothing to do with one’s baseball success. “You don’t hit with your face,” he is known to have said….
    And on the field and at the plate, Berra soon proved his mettle.

    Yogi Berra and Mickey Mantle with reporters following a game in the 1950s.
    Yogi Berra and Mickey Mantle with reporters following a game in the 1950s.
    For ten consecutive seasons, 1949 through 1958, he hit 20 or more home runs a year, with at least 80 or more runs batted in each of those years. One of Berra’s best years was 1950 – compiling a .322 batting average with 28 home runs and 124 runs batted in (RBIs). He was named the American League’s most valuable player three times – 1951, 1954, and 1955. In fact, he received MVP votes almost every year he played, from 1947-61.

    Between 1949 and 1955, on a team filled with stars such as Mickey Mantle and Joe DiMaggio, it was Yogi Berra who led the Yankees in RBIs for seven consecutive seasons. He was also a 15-time All-Star selection. Berra played his entire 19-year career (1946–1965) with the Yankees as catcher, outfielder, and manager. In 1972, he was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
    Berra also became an outstanding catcher, a skill he credits to the coaching of former Yankee great and Hall of Fame catcher, Bill Dickey. “I was a lousy catcher ’til they got Bill Dickey there [as coach]. Dickey worked me hard. And, I liked it though, what he did for me. I owe everything to Bill Dickey, I really do.”
    ///

    Cashman and Girardi would have traded Yogi to Seattle for Pineda.

    Too bad we didn’t have a Bill Dickey around for Jesus.

  62. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    “I’ll say it again. If the Yankees have to sacrifice one or the other, let them sacrifice offense over defense. ”

    do you and i even root for the same team?

    do you have any idea of who the team is that you supposedly root for? i don’t know the team you’re talking about. you sound like an old chicago white sox fan rooting for pitching and defense.

    the yankees had to teach yogi to catch. same with posada. thurman was not pretty back there.
    the advantage the yankees had was their catchers outhit the opposing catchers.

    anyone who has followed the yankees over their decades of excellence knows that good hitting catchers was a key to their success.

  63. Against All Odds March 10th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    I’ll say it again. If the Yankees have to sacrifice one or the other, let them sacrifice offense over defense.

    —————————

    You can live with a defense first catcher if you’re getting offense from other positions. Yankees aren’t in a position to do that given the age of the team and how it’s constructed.

  64. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    Nice play, Robi, but please stay healthy!

    My kingdom for a catcher who can hit.

  65. Against All Odds March 10th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    anyone who has followed the yankees over their decades of excellence knows that good hitting catchers was a key to their success.

    —————————-

    Not just at catcher but also at SS, 2nd, and CF. I wonder when that belief changed. Down the line you could be looking at Romine, Nunez, Gardy, and if he re-signs Cano at second.

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    It’s easy and painless to dismiss something if it entirely escapes you.

    It’s also easy to just roll with the punches when you don’t haven’t grasped something; easy to get all philosophical and patronizing to those who do understand it, but who seem too ardent because to you, what the hell’s the actual difference between someone like Jorge Posada – who is going to the Hall of Fame – and Francisco Cervelli? You can neither recognize nor appreciate what separates such players, therefore, you cannot grasp why anyone would find it remarkably stupid to give away an advantage you don’t really understand has been there all this time in the first place.

    And that, and only that, is why this pointless conversation continues without any light turning on.

  67. blake March 10th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    “I might catch some heat for it but I like Braun.”

    I like I watch him play……but character wise I’m not sure ….I’ve defended him before but there is just so much smoke around him in this PED stuff that I dunno….,,I really like Wright and Jones and Phillips …..

  68. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    “Too bad we didn’t have a Bill Dickey around for Jesus.”

    precisely.

    and i still don’t understand why it took the triple a catching coach to straighten out cervelli’s throwing. cervelli sucked under girardi’s watch for two years.

    until i see otherwise, my conclusion is girardi is one lousy catching instructor.

  69. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    I’m very pleased with Cano destroying the WBC so far. Hope he has an amazing season. The offense really needs him. Maybe he can hit .400 for the first 2 months like he did in 2010

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    and i still don’t understand why it took the triple a catching coach to straighten out cervelli’s throwing. cervelli sucked under girardi’s watch for two years.

    until i see otherwise, my conclusion is girardi is one lousy catching instructor.
    ///

    Mosquera is the catching rover instructor in the minors, but I couldn’t offer an opinion on how he works with catchers. It does seem like once they get here, development just ends. Posada had Gary Tuck work with him when the latter was here. I didn’t see any attempt at all from the Yankees to do anything with Montero: they folded the tent pretty quickly. Sounds like he’s doing alright in Seattle. OPS is 1.2 something, by the way :)

    Telling, isn’t it, that Yogi said: “you don’t hit with your face.” He didn’t say, “you don’t frame pitches with your face”. :)

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    “do you have any idea of who the team is that you supposedly root for?”

    Indeed I do. The question is do you? And do you realize that you might have to put to bed your illusions of the Yankees of the past? Just like the current team is no longer the Bronx Bombers, the Bill Dickey/Yogi Berra/Thurman Munson catchers are not necessarily what the Yankees are built around anymore. Or did you forget Girardi saying he favors defense in his catcher? You might have to find another team to root for if you insist on clinging to the past randy. There are many ways to win. Having an offensive catcher isn’t the only one.

    ******************

    “You can live with a defense first catcher if you’re getting offense from other positions. Yankees aren’t in a position to do that given the age of the team and how it’s constructed.”

    Against I absolutely understand what you’re saying. But I guess I don’t agree that the Yankees won’t get offense from other positions.

  72. blake March 10th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Jerkface says:
    March 10, 2013 at 8:58 pm
    I’m very pleased with Cano destroying the WBC so far. Hope he has an amazing season. The offense really needs him. Maybe he can hit .400 for the first 2 months like he did in 2010

    He’s crushing everything.

    Watching these WBC games….I’ve been really impressed with Phillips’s at 2B…..I knew he was good but his range is crazy. Cano is a great defender and his arm strength allows him to do some things that other 2b can’t (he’s the best 2B at relays I’ve ever seen)…..but there were a couple of pure range plays in this first round that B Phillips made that I’m pretty sure Robbie doesn’t get to….,,

  73. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Trish, tell them to, Munson it! :)

  74. Against All Odds March 10th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    blake March 10th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
    “I might catch some heat for it but I like Braun.”

    I like I watch him play……but character wise I’m not sure ….I’ve defended him before but there is just so much smoke around him in this PED stuff that I dunno….,,I really like Wright and Jones and Phillips …..

    ——————————-

    Yes the PED thing is an issue but just something about the way he plays that I like.

  75. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Telling, isn’t it, that Yogi said: “you don’t hit with your face.” He didn’t say, “you don’t frame pitches with your face”

    j.al pru-

    you’re a real smart ass aren’t you :)
    that’s funny, but true. yogi did say that.

    i think discussing the catching position on the yankees is a real hot button issue.

    girardi is a national league guy at heart. it seems like he has no problem with turning the yankees into a national league team. i don’t think he understands the significance of the catcher position in new york.

    i think he’d be a lot happier managing the cubs.

  76. blake March 10th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    “Yes the PED thing is an issue but just something about the way he plays that I like.”

    Oh he’s awesome to watch ….he’s arguably the best player in baseball ….most consistently great anyway

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    If only she knew what Munson was.

  78. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Trish, for lil’ god’s sake,…favor is spelled as favour up here,…get it proper, mon ami. :D

  79. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Woot!!!

  80. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Cano is so awesome. Gonna be sad when he is playing for the Dodgers.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    girardi is a national league guy at heart. it seems like he has no problem with turning the yankees into a national league team. i don’t think he understands the significance of the catcher position in new york.

    i think he’d be a lot happier managing the cubs.
    ///

    It’s too bad that job wasn’t open at the time. Nothing would make me happier.

    If they want to run this NL type team, they’d better start moving the fences out or get themselves more left-handers.
    ///

    Speaking of plus offense up the middle :) Robi goes yahhhd!

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    “It’s easy and painless to dismiss something if it entirely escapes you.

    It’s also easy to just roll with the punches when you don’t haven’t grasped something; easy to get all philosophical and patronizing to those who do understand it, but who seem too ardent because to you, what the hell’s the actual difference between someone like Jorge Posada – who is going to the Hall of Fame – and Francisco Cervelli? You can neither recognize nor appreciate what separates such players, therefore, you cannot grasp why anyone would find it remarkably stupid to give away an advantage you don’t really understand has been there all this time in the first place.

    And that, and only that, is why this pointless conversation continues without any light turning on.”

    Condescension and insult at its best. Or worst.

    “patronizing”

    Who’s patronizing????

    You apparently cannot help yourself. You dress down everyone who disagrees with your position.

    Your condescension is legend. I guess you pride yourself on it. I don’t find it particularly an attractive or endearing trait. It’s more akin to bullying.

    On the other hand, I can always appreciate a difference of opinion put forward respectfully.

    And I will say again, you don’t corner the market on truth. I’ve seen many others here differ with your opinions. It’s safe to say there are many ways to look at an issue.

    I respect differences. You apparently detest them. Anyone who doesn’t see it your way must be clueless or stupid, according to you.

  83. Tabbert March 10th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Scary to think that cano just keeps getting better. Watch him go out and have a MONSTER season and win the MVP. Talk about Him and Boras banking…

  84. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    “Indeed I do. The question is do you? And do you realize that you might have to put to bed your illusions of the Yankees of the past? Just like the current team is no longer the Bronx Bombers, the Bill Dickey/Yogi Berra/Thurman Munson catchers are not necessarily what the Yankees are built around anymore. Or did you forget Girardi saying he favors defense in his catcher? You might have to find another team to root for if you insist on clinging to the past randy. There are many ways to win. Having an offensive catcher isn’t the only one.”

    trisha-

    so when did you start rooting for the yankees? you seem to never mention anyone more than about 10-15 years back.
    you really seem to understand very little about the team’s history. for those of us who have watched it since the mid fifties, the yankees ARE the bronx bombers.

    i do understand that you don’t care about who the yankees are historically, that you are fine with cervelli and stewart, and you will be just as happy rooting for the yankee laundry whether they win or lose.

    like i said, your yankees seem to be hal’s yankees. it’s not my idea of who the yankees are. since both you and hal are kind of new to the yankees, maybe you both should go back and flip through their history page by page. at least get familiar with the team you are trying to change.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    I’m being honest.

    I didn’t say you’re not a bright person, I said you don’t understand the difference between a player of Posada’s level and a Cervelli.

    There is not a person in the entire world who would have lobbied for Cervelli to replace Posada in 2009, only you.

    Why? Because from a baseball point of view, that is just insanity. There isn’t a “different strokes for different folks” way to rationalize that position, because it is untenable.

    You have, for years now, dismissed what has been a seismic contribution to the Yankees having been what they’ve been during their reign.

    You do not understand it. It’d be one thing if you did not, and that was that. Instead, you accuse people who do of being “emotional” and other assorted patronizing nonsense. No, the “emotional” overwrought one is you; there is no substance to your protests about Posada and there never has been. You have some personal aversion to him, clearly, and you try to dress it up by co-opting Girardi/Cashman’s rhetoric and it just falls flat.

    You do not, nor have you ever, understood what Posada has meant to the Yankees. It just completely escapes you. I can’t think of one fan of the Yankees, on this board or others, or in real life, who fails so thoroughly to miss the point, here.

    And here you are, years later, still at it.

  86. blake March 10th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    We’ve all talked about Cano’s theoretical career year….the year he just puts it all together and hits about .345 with 40 bombs…..they need him to do it this year

  87. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    Ponder this for a moment and then realize how incredible this is……..More people have walked on the moon ( 12 ) than have scored on Mariano Rivera in the Postseason ( 11 ) earned runs

  88. ron March 10th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Randy i is right on about the catching position,and girardi.

    As long as the catcher is not a total butcher behind the plate,you always take the offenive catcher.
    I hate the way girardi is telling the catchers to forget about their offense,literally,then our catchers saying,wait a minute,i still wan’t to contribute offensively.
    I’m starting to quickly sour on girardi.

  89. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    and one more thing about the bronx bombers.

    their offense has still been pretty good up until now.

    this is this year it falls off the cliff.

    the last time it was this bad was 2008 and we know what happened then.

    the yankees were over 900 runs in 2007 and 2009.

    789 in 2008.

    will the yankees score 789 runs this year?

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    *to grasp the point, that is.

    Like I said, I am being honest and I am frankly tired of listening to someone who has no idea of the context of these things make comments like “Posada is selfish” and whatever else you decide to throw at the wall about this great player.

  91. blake March 10th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    “Ponder this for a moment and then realize how incredible this is……..More people have walked on the moon ( 12 ) than have scored on Mariano Rivera in the Postseason ( 11 ) earned runs”

    12 people have “supposedly ” walked on the moon ;)

  92. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Munson is my #1, and, Posada is my #2. I think that’s pretty good :)

  93. blake March 10th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    I worry we are gonna see a lot of well pitched games lost this year because they don’t score enough…..that’s going to suck if it happens.

  94. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    in 2008 molina was an excellent defensive catcher.

    why did it matter so much that posada got hurt?

    because the yankees are the bronx bombers , that’s why :)

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    jmills,

    The Yankees don’t win without those two, in their respective eras.

  96. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Blake, it really sucks if you don’t have a good catcher! :)

  97. mick March 10th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    If this regime is trying to reinvent the Yankees, and remind you, this entire premise is centered around the catching position, then I call the premise a stretch.
    The rest of the team is sound but old. The pitching is excellent.
    The Bronx Bombers indeed did bomb last year .
    What scares many “die-hards” and I call myself one of them is the ownership.
    Older fans have seen what poor ownership can do to the identity, constituency and results of a brand.
    You do not reinvent the New York Yankees. This is where the disconnect lies.
    Trish is fine with that. It upsets Randy and Pru no end.
    Trish is an atypical Yankee fan.

  98. ron March 10th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    I don’t buy it about our offense falling off a cliff.
    Gardner is going to suprise a lot of people,cano will have his biggest year,granderson,and tex will be back,and forget about the 189,it ain’t happenin.

    Hal said that fielding a competitive team comes first.
    What they should do is trade hughes,and 2 prospects for headley,then go fishing again.

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Try to remove emotion from this and read the words. When you are wrapped up in your love for a player, you seem to be unable to understand anything but that. I absolutely understand what Posada meant to the Yankees. But unlike some others, I don’t hang on tooth and nail to what a player has meant if he’s starting to lose it. Posada was starting to lose it and his defense was starting to be a problem in the process. He had “issues” with several of the pitchers and his stubborness caused problems because of it. He insisted on calling games in a certain way, even if the pitchers didn’t have the particular pitch going that day. This isn’t heresay. It was all over the press and it was noticed by Yankee fans here too. And at least one of the pitchers acknowledged it to the press the next season. I don’t care for bullies. I believe Posada bullied some of the pitchers.

    I don’t think any player is bigger than the team. If a player’s play begins to hurt the team, then it’s time for them to get less playing time. Period.

    Cervelli and Molina both held the Yankees together when Posada went down.

    I want a catcher behind the plate who has good defense. I believe Posada did for many years.

    I resented him telling the Yankees where he was going to play. I don’t care for players who try to run things. I like team players.

    You look at it differently. Good for you.

    I can understand what he meant to the Yankees without turning a blind eye to other things about him.

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    …and the thing is, I’m not sure why it is difficult to grasp.

    What if we’d had a “better” defensive short stop with greater range than Derek Jeter all these years? Think we’d be talking about the dynastic late 90s Yankees?

  101. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Alfred, exactly, Munson and Posada are essential.

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    And J Al, I was NOT the only one who lobbied for Cervelli in 2009.

  103. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    “blake March 10th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
    I worry we are gonna see a lot of well pitched games lost this year because they don’t score enough…..that’s going to suck if it happens.”

    But look on the bright side, just think of all the runs saved by expert pitch framing.

  104. blake March 10th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Those horns would drive me nuts over a full season

  105. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    “.More people have walked on the moon ( 12 ) than have scored on Mariano Rivera in the Postseason ( 11 ) earned runs”

    pat m-

    mariano’s postseason stats make him the best clutch player ever.

    his era in the postseason is 0.70.

    that’s three times better than his regular season era of 2.21

    actually he’s the biggest argument to sabermetricians that “clutch” exists.

  106. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Good post, Mick.

  107. blake March 10th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    “But look on the bright side, just think of all the runs saved by expert pitch framing.”

    Pitch framing our way to 2-1 losses isn’t my idea of a fun summer ;)

  108. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Posada is the epitome of what a team player is.

  109. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Trish, I don’t kno who Cervalli is, does he look like Rick Cerone ? :)

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    “Trish is an atypical Yankee fan.”

    I very well may be. But it doesn’t make me any less a Yankee fan.

    And randy, you are absolutely right. I don’t remember the history of all of the players that you do. But I do know the history of the Yankees. I’m also willing to change with the times and roll with the punches and still have faith in the Yankees (team) and root for them.

    But I respect your feeling about wanting the team to continue to be defined the way they have historically been identified. Of course I understand it. It’s not my way, but it is definitely legitimate and understandable.

  111. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Mariano is as close to robotic as any player that has ever played the game.
    His repetition is the key to any pitcher’s success.
    The fact he throws only that one pitch and that he is a reliever that, by nature, throws limited innings and pitches helps. The fact that he played for a great team for 19 years, is it ok to count this season, put him in countless clutch situations, which to him were just another day at the office.

  112. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    blake, get with the program, and at least you won’t have to be there live and in person. ;)

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    When you are wrapped up in your love for a player, you seem to be unable to understand anything but that
    //

    This is just silly. That’s not what’s going on here at all. Because you can only respond yourself viscerally, and not with any real baseball context, you project that I am “out of control” emotionally due to some disproportionate affection for a player.

    I’ve backed up everything I’ve said with baseball reasoning, which you simply never do. You speak in platitudes about “pitching” and “defense”, and then you suggest C.C. Sabathia needs to be put in the bullpen.

    I mean, I’m not making this up. Listen, I don’t care if you never edify yourself about the Yankees. Root for them however you please. But I can’t sit here and listen to you flagellate Posada any more. Like clockwork, you’re in there while I’m discussing Posada with Chip to pile on Posada. So predictable. It’s just wrong, to act as though your position is some soberly considered baseball stance. You don’t like him, and I don’t care why, but you have not grounded anything you’ve just viscerally expectorated in anything resembling a well considered point of view.

    And you do not respect opinions, trisha. You have bullied EVERYONE here who has not just uncritically submitted to your very narrow and threatened idea of what fandom should be. Please. I don’t care that you differ in your opinions. I differ with people here all the time. But sitting here and listening to you take gratuitous shots at Posada has become a bit much.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    “Posada is the epitome of what a team player is.”

    Your opinion. There were times when he decided he was the show. That’s not a team player.

  115. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    I’m an atypical Yankees fan….yes I am.

  116. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I very well may be. But it doesn’t make me any less a Yankee fan.
    ======================================
    Now that can be debated.
    Take Randy’s 90 year old Dad, for instance.
    That man has seen every Yankee who ever played the game. Every Yankee team.
    Think about that for a moment.
    Are you less of a Yankee fan than him? Am I?
    The answer is undoubtedly YES.

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Posada is the epitome of what a team player is.
    ///

    It’s like saying Jeter’s selfish. It’s an indefensible position that I’m fairly certain NO ONE ELSE in the universe holds.

  118. blake March 10th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Posada was Jeter’s unofficial co-captain for years and probably the more vocal leader of the team during the great run they had…..he was a great Yankee….one of my favorites.

    Also a very proud player that had his twilight time handled somewhat distastefully by the Yanks IMO. I think they have moved passed it and Jorge has as well…..it’s a tough situation when great players age and I think the huge press conference they threw him and just how they treat and talk about him now suggests that maybe they’d like it to have gone differently than it did.

  119. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    I really liked, Pat Borders! An MVP like Gene Tenance.

  120. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    “Cervelli and Molina both held the Yankees together when Posada went down.”

    trisha , you’re being exposed here. you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about with posada.

    we all remember the posada bashing from you in favor of molina and cervelli.

    you really should go back and look at the 2009 postseason stats and regular season stats.

    and i still wonder when did you start rooting for the yankees?

    i started in 1955.

    it’s not a hard question?

    what year?

    i think it’ll explain a lot.

  121. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Mick, Yes are a great band! One of Rush’s heroes :)

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    “Because you can only respond yourself viscerally, and not with any real baseball context,”

    Because you don’t agree with the context doesn’t mean I didn’t provide it.

    That you get so emotionally bent out of shape because someone is not genuflecting the same way you do at a player throne is so odd. Shouldn’t it be enough for you to feel the way you do? He’s not your son or brother. He’s a player not connected to you other than you’re a fan of a team that has millions and millions of fans.

    And you seem to project wildly. I happened to be there the same time as Chip and I agree with his take. You want to talk about piling on. I see you as the king of piling on.

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    And J Al, I was NOT the only one who lobbied for Cervelli in 2009.
    ///

    I hope you and whoever did enjoyed the 2009 championship, in which Posada came up with several clutch hits.

    Haven’t won one since :(

  124. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Trish, tell that to the core players, to Torre or to anyone else who has sat in the Bronx over time watching Po play. Tell that to me who has watched his whole career, every interview, and to that same me, many times, including sitting up in the Tier when Teixeira knocked the crap out of Posada at the plate. The sound was so loud it was scary, and the Stadium was dead silent. That selfish Posada got up and kept playing, and then hit a walk off homer. Selfish Jorge should have instead quit on the team, but he never did. He got hit and hit again, and continued to get up and play. I don’t want to get involved in what I consider a fruitless discussion, but I take issue with your very subjective perspective regarding Posada’s character. You have a right of course to think whatever you like, that goes without saying, but I heartily disagree with your version of who Jorge Posada is. Guy was one of the biggest hearted, toughest and most fearless players I have ever watched play. And like Diana Munson said, he was Thurman-like and Jorge was truly worthy of wearing the Pinstripes.

  125. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Trish has a problem with typical Yankee fans, not being one herself.
    She wants to break the mold of the die-hards, who indeed, true to their name, live and die with the Yankees.
    Their mental and physical health can ride on the Yankees success.
    It’s something she despises and cannot understand.

  126. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    *Diane

  127. ron March 10th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    When we are watching stewart,and cervelli batting .245 with 5- 10 hr,90 rbi combined,we will terribly miss posada.
    Posada became much better defensively over time,and as long as you are not clumsy,and you are athletic,a catcher will get better with hard work.
    I think with montero,he was just so big,clumsy,lanky.

    When you have a posada as a catcher,you have a huge scarce positional advantage,and a good defensive catcher who does not contribute much offensively simply does not give you that.

    Now if you have a great defensive catcher,and a below average one,and you are only giving away a little offense,then you go with the defensive one.

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    blake March 10th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    I worry we are gonna see a lot of well pitched games lost this year because they don’t score enough…..that’s going to suck if it happens.
    ///

    Yea, let’s ask the pitchers if they’re fine with walking a tightrope every night. See if they wouldn’t care for a little irrelevant offense to give them some breathing room.

    It’s a big danger in Yankee Stadium, especially if you’ve got a Pineda type on the mound. He can strike out 13 and look great and then give up a 2-run shot because he’s humming it and because of that porch and there she goes…

  129. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    ” I heartily disagree with your version of who Jorge Posada is. Guy was one of the biggest hearted, toughest and most fearless players I have ever watched play. And like Diana Munson said, he was Thurman-like and Jorge was truly worthy of wearing the Pinstripes.”
    ===================================
    Well said, YF. Jorge was the 2nd Coming of Thurman, a die-hard Yankee and quiet captain.

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    “It’s an indefensible position that I’m fairly certain NO ONE ELSE in the universe holds.”

    I’ve never heard anyone accuse Jeter of being selfish. I have heard people question some of Posada’s actions.

    ************

    I probably starting rooting for them seriously in the 80s.

  131. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Ok, I think everybody should go into a corner with Bryan Adams and listen to, ” Diana, ” I bet you’re just a reckless child! ” :)

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Trish, tell that to the core players, to Torre or to anyone else who has sat in the Bronx over time watching Po play. Tell that to me who has watched his whole career, every interview, and to that same me, many times, including sitting up in the Tier when Teixeira knocked the crap out of Posada at the plate. The sound was so loud it was scary, and the Stadium was dead silent. That selfish Posada got up and kept playing, and then hit a walk off homer. Selfish Jorge should have instead quit on the team, but he never did. He got hit and hit again, and continued to get up and play. I don’t want to get involved in what I consider a fruitless discussion, but I take issue with your very subjective perspective regarding Posada’s character. You have a right of course to think whatever you like, that goes without saying, but I heartily disagree with your version of who Jorge Posada is. Guy was one of the biggest hearted, toughest and most fearless players I have ever watched play. And like Diana Munson said, he was Thurman-like and Jorge was truly worthy of wearing the Pinstripes.
    ///

    Yes. All of it. I was there that night and yes, you could hear a pin drop. That was a frightening moment, when he was clearly out cold. Who thought we’d even see him come to bat in the game again? Much less hit a walkoff?

    Well said, well said.

  133. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Not to be flip but sometimes I hear a red sock influence in the manner of speaking of randy and trish.
    Granted they are both Yankee fans but , call it a new england bias, creeps in from time to time.
    Something they have both undoubdetly heard from red sock fans about the hated Yankees creeps in.
    Funny what the ear hears…

  134. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    This sounds more like the Jorge I know:

    “While Posada might not have been as elegant as Joe DiMaggio or as immensely gifted as Mickey Mantle, he was arguably one of the proudest players to have ever worn the pinstripes. Posada was constantly cognizant of the Yankee tradition and the manner in which business was to be conducted on a daily basis. He couldn’t tolerate complacency, laziness or selfishness. Posada strictly adhered to the core values of the Yankees and wasn’t afraid to confront anyone who wasn’t in compliance with the ball club’s mission and vision. He was also an emotional ball player who periodically displayed glimpses of stubbornness and even a temper. While Jeter’s leadership style is primarily based on the mantra of “actions speak louder than words,” Posada had adopted a more vocal and aggressive approach to interacting with his teammates and opponents.”

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    mick, I think you’re getting a little carried away now and there’s a lot of overstatement on your part.

    “Trish has a problem with typical Yankee fans, not being one herself.
    She wants to break the mold of the die-hards, who indeed, true to their name, live and die with the Yankees.
    Their mental and physical health can ride on the Yankees success.
    It’s something she despises and cannot understand.”

    I do not DESPISE anyone because they are typical/die-hard Yankee fans. I have acknowledged on myraid occasions that I am not a typical fan, period. I don’t have a killer instinct. I accept whatever the team does because I root for the laundry.

    I may not understand fans who say they’re fans but then trash the team when they lose because I see that as disloyal.

    But to each his own. I have no apologies for who I am.

  136. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Thanks, mick. And I think your posts have been right on the money.

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    That you get so emotionally bent out of shape because someone is not genuflecting the same way you do at a player throne is so odd. Shouldn’t it be enough for you to feel the way you do? He’s not your son or brother. He’s a player not connected to you other than you’re a fan of a team that has millions and millions of fans.

    And you seem to project wildly. I happened to be there the same time as Chip and I agree with his take. You want to talk about piling on. I see you as the king of piling on.
    ///

    Genuflecting before a player throne. Sure. Demeaning a fan’s admiration for a great Yankee is so appropriate on a Yankee site. Good job.

    Trisha, you are out of your text. But perhaps you can find a Red Sox board that will sympathize with your view of the great Yankee catcher.

  138. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    I would never blame Posada for effs sake – the guy is amazing!

  139. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    If Posada was too crass for some fans, well he can join a club that featured other passionate crass players who all were leaders.
    To name a few: Billy Martin, Thurman Munson, Goose Gossage, Reggie Jackson.
    They can’t all be quiet and dignified like DiMaggio, Rivera, Bernie and Jeter.

  140. RadioKev March 10th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    I think if Cano was MVP and we won the World Series I would definitely let him walk.

    That’s probably just silly.

  141. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    to mick and trisha, i don’t think the number of years someone roots for a team necessarily makes them a better fan, but i do think if someone has rooted for only a few years they may not really understand what the team is about.

    it is amazing to watch how my dad watches games. he ‘s 90 and sometimes gets very forgetful about regular things in life, but when we sit down and talk baseball he’s sharp as a tack.

    a funny thing happened in this regard. he was in the hospital last winter and almost died from pneumonia . he was getting really cranky about getting out when one day he told a nurse that if they wouldn’t let him out of there soon , then they should just shoot him ( he grew up on a farm).

    so the nurse writes him up, and he had to pass a psychiatric evaluation to be released. this shrink comes down and starts interviewing him. he’s pissed off and even though i told him he had to act cheery, he started off giving her a hard time basically telling her where to go with her stupid questions. i had bought him a history of the yankees in the hospital bookstore all in newsprint and it was on the table next to the bed.
    the psychiatrist looks at it and asked my dad if he was a yankee fan. he said of course and she said she was too. they then spent the next ten minutes talking about the yankees with each other,and then signed the release papers saying no problem with him.
    true story.
    we took him home that day, and he made a rapid recovery once he got home.
    and no colds this winter :)

    i tried to explain hal and his 189 thing a few weeks ago, but my father could care less about it. he just wants to see a good strong yankee team that beats everyone, especially the red sox.

  142. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Right, let’s let Cano walk and Mo retire. All we will then have left is Jeter and a bunch of replacement level Yankee players. Sweet.

  143. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    I don’t have a killer instinct. I accept whatever the team does because I root for the laundry.
    ==========================================
    You have condemned New Yorkers before for this and no doubt despise it.
    Sorry about that. New York is different than Rhode Island.
    They root like hell here for whatever that represents to you this heart attack town has passion.

  144. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Graet story Randy.

  145. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Randy :) May your dad stay forever young.

  146. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Hey, Mick, if you’re out there. Didn’t mean to belabour you about my stepbrother but when you posted. ” He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother , ” by the Hollies, it brought back a whole host of reactuons. My brother was troubled fron the start but a good guy at heart.

  147. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    sorry about your bro mills may he RIP.

  148. RadioKev March 10th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
    Right, let’s let Cano walk and Mo retire. All we will then have left is Jeter and a bunch of replacement level Yankee players. Sweet.
    ———–

    What? Do you want to put these guys in a glass case when they die?

    Everyone’s gotta go sometime. There will be new great Yankees.

  149. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    It appears I can’t spell, ” reaction. “

  150. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    http://lockerz.com/u/20498923/.....he_last_wa

  151. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Brother Mick, take a deep breath and come down a little…. I live in So Cal, are you saying I can’t be a Yankee fan or I’m detached due to geography ???

  152. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    May God bless and keep you always
    May your wishes all come true
    May you always do for others
    And let others do for you
    May you build a ladder to the stars
    And climb on every rung
    May you stay forever young
    Forever young, forever young
    May you stay forever young.

  153. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Brother Pat M- You are as New York as they come.

  154. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    “What? Do you want to put these guys in a glass case when they die?”

    Is this a non sequitur? Robi is alive and thriving. Why would I want to put him in a glass case.

    And as someone who actually dedicates far to much time to watching the prospects play, trust me, I have my eyes on quite a few future Core-sters.

  155. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    *too

  156. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Randy, that’s a gem of a story. My Dad and your Dad would have gotten along very well. I miss my Dad like crazy. So great that yours is still with you. Bless him.

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    “Demeaning a fan’s admiration for a great Yankee is so appropriate on a Yankee site. Good job.”

    See here’s the difference. Nobody is telling you to feel otherwise about your favorite players. But you make it a habit of telling people how they should feel when it doesn’t comport with your vision. Not fair.

    Neither was your comment about telling it to Hallmark. I was totally respectful in attempting to explain that not everyone sees things the same and we’re all a product of our experiences and see things through different lenses. But you had to trash that and call it spin and everything else.

    I respect your opinion on Posada. I don’t agree with it entirely. I didn’t think I ever had to edit my thoughts because someone else didn’t agree with them.

  158. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    trisha-

    in your defense, you are passionate about the yankees.

    i just think a little more knowledge about them historically wouldn’t hurt.

    with the internet information available, not a day goes by that i don’t learn something. like tonight with this discussion i learned yogi only struck out 7 times in 500 at bats in one of his minor league years. how does anyone do that?

    my point is we’re all life long learners or should be. i have no problem changing strategies as time moves on but if you know where we’re coming from, it’s make the changes make a lot more sense.

  159. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    check out Yogi’s 1950 season.
    12 K’s in 600 ab’s.
    hard to believe that from a bad ball hitter.

  160. RadioKev March 10th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Yes, yankeefeminista but we only have to look at a certain player, who was going to be the greatest in history, to see that these long term deals come with considerable risk.

    So yes, as a fan why would we want to say goodbye to a great Yankee, but as a fan that wants the team to continue winning in the future… I’m not sure if it’s our best interests, is all.

  161. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLfrdRgpKfI

  162. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    thanks everyone for the nice thoughts about my father. he really lives and breathes the yankees.
    appreciate it.

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Trisha,

    I cannot respect your opinion on Posada, because I take it to be disingenuous, both subjectively and from an alleged baseball perspective.

    I am sorry, there is just no credible ground to stand on to say Posada was a selfish player. I don’t have to say I respect this, because I do not.

    What I respect is your right to say whatever you want, here.

    I have probably heard 100 times these same baseless criticisms from you on Posada, and I am tired of hearing them. They are not rooted in anything objectively true about Jorge Posada, and I find them offensive. I finally was compelled to say what I have thought all along; that you have never understood what Posada has meant to the Yankees. You think you do, fine. I was expressing my opinion that you have never supported your criticisms of him in any convincing manner. That is all.

  164. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Randy,….I like your ninety year olde dad! :D

  165. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    YF-nice pickup with that Forever Young ad.
    Good job as usual tonight, thanks.

  166. Tar March 10th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Nice story about your dad randy, thanks for sharing. Reminds me of both my grandparents who I really miss.

    I really think the whole “defensive first catcher” is nothing more than smokescreen to hide the fact that they didn’t want to spend the money on a good catcher.

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    “You have condemned New Yorkers before for this and no doubt despise it.

    Well, since I know myself better than you know me, the best I can tell you is that you’re wrong. I don’t despise anything. I’m not that invested in New Yorkers or anyone else personally that I would despise them.

    I think it’s terrible for people to boo players they purportedly root for. I think it’s disloyal to trash a player who’s having a hard time and call yourself a fan at the same time. I absolutely to do understand those things. So kill me.

    ***************

    randy that was a wonderful story about your dad. And the best thing of all is that he isn’t all wrapped up in the $189 – just win. I think that’s the most intelligent perspective of all. He’s not worried about how it’s going to happen, he just wants it to happen.

  168. mick March 10th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    I think it’s disloyal to trash a player who’s having a hard time and call yourself a fan at the same time. I absolutely to do understand those things.
    =================================
    Like you trashed Posada?

  169. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Forever young, I want to be, forever young. ” Who was that group in the mid eighties?

    I was in Canada’s Harvard at the time, Trinity College. In fact, I was one of 4 in Henderson Tower. ( I was the stupid one )

  170. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    Randy, I miss my dad too; he lived and breathed Yankees. Can we all officially adopt your father here on the Lohud blog? :)

    RadioKev, it would depend on the length of the contract granted, and if we ever dealt him who we would get for him. However, I don’t trust Cash to get appropriate worth. He is a dead man walking generally, should have dealt Grandy and Swish when he had the chance.

    Mick, right back at ya.

  171. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    “Posada was Jeter’s unofficial co-captain for years and probably the more vocal leader of the team during the great run they had…..he was a great Yankee….one of my favorites.”

    I view Posada is the enforcer.

  172. Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Hey Pat M

    Hope everything is good in So. Cal.

    Have you heard from Nick lately? If not, would you mind shooting him an e-mail and check up on him. kind of odd he hasn’t been around in a while.

  173. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Trich the dish getting drilled tonight, why ??? One of the biggest changes that I’ve noticed over the past few years is how sensative so many egoa are here…..Cup, we were remarking the other day about the night the blog was tossing out opinions and observations as what was wrong with Wang…..The thing that speared the fuel that night was how egos and this passion to be right or that perception didn’t come into play……..I’m not going to rag on Tricia because she doesn’t see Jorge the same way I do or others here. However to suggest that she lacks Yankee passion is rubbish……JAP Pruf, you bring much to this blog, and some of it is blind passion, but most of the time many of us just go with the flow as it’s your opinion……Distorted at times but so what….This site gets too personal at times and drives the place down

  174. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    You have condemned New York fans before and New York as a heart attack town with a kill or be killed attitude yet you risk your life coming in to get a hot dog.

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    J Al, yes they are rooted in truth about Posada. Again, if you’re not offended by the same things, so be it. There is nothing disingenuous about me and I think I resent that accusation more than any others you have made.

  176. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Tar….I have not heard from Nick in a few weeks it seems……He does do the Jet-set thing though……Cup, great story about your Pop !!!!!

  177. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    Tar, well saving runs vs. creating them definitely saves money, but… I think it is also part and parcel of the whole overdone unquantifiable run prevention catching philosphy a la the Mike Fasts of the world, as well. If there weren’t such an outright disdain for offense, it wouldn’t be as egregious, but the true believer has no eyes for the “truth.”

  178. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    Yf, my dad is dead and gone before I ever knew him. That’s how it goes sometimes :(

  179. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    Randy, I miss my dad too; he lived and breathed Yankees.
    =====================================
    Mine too. Born in the Bronx. Grew up on DiMaggio but grew to love the Mick.

  180. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Tar, was thinking the same about Nick. He is MIA, as is gratefully Stoneburner. Maybe the latter went in search of Jose Ramirez’s plus plus CU.

  181. Bronx Jeers March 10th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Tar,

    Happy to report that Nick is still among the living.

    At least he was yesterday.

  182. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    JAP -

    I don’t think there’s anyone who doesn’t understand what Posada meant to the Yankees and we all wish it could have ended better. But to say that you’re objective in this is not true at all.

    The facts are these:

    1. Jorge Posada threatened to sign with the Mets to milk an extra year out of the Yankees when he was a free agent.

    2. In his last contract with the team, Jorge’s physical ability to stay behind the plate faded due to age and injury but he bristled whenever Girardi tried to move him somewhere else (1b or DH)

    3. In his last year with the Yankees, Jorge’s ability to hit faded yet the Yankees kept him in the lineup despite his deficiencies. He hit .235 with a .317 OBP and no power at all. To give you a comparison, that makes him worse than Russ Martin or Raul Ibanez were last year.

    So what would you have liked the Yankees to do that they didn’t do? Give him another contract?

  183. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    mick….my pop grew up on Willis Ave , went to Rice HS and he too grew up on Joe D. but The Mick was The Man

  184. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    “Like you trashed Posada?”

    Saying I thought he shouldn’t be catching anymore because his defense had slipped so badly is hardly trashing him. It’s making a statement of fact.

    But mick, think what you will. It truly doesn’t bother me.

    By the way, I’ve never called New York a kill or be killed town or a heart attack town. You may be mixing me up with someone else? I have criticized the fans at the Stadium who boo their own players. Perhaps that’s what you’re thinking of?

    Again, think what you will. I’m fine with it. The most important thing to me is that I know who I am. I’m certainly not defined by anonymous people on an internet forum.

    With that I’ll say GO YANKEES!!!

    It’s been swell being with the sanhedrin. :)

  185. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    I am mick (small m) but he was The Mick…
    …you Pat M. are the eggman.
    Mick was the Walrus.

  186. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Pat,

    I’ve never understood why people are so offended by the opinions of total strangers. I’m never going to meet anyone on this blog (at least not intentionally) so I don’t really care what people here think of me; nor should they be deeply invested in what I think of them.

    There are certain people whose opinions I have come to respect more than others, and even those who I disagree with on almost everything but find arguing with enjoyable…and then there are others who use poor grammar, can’t string together a thought or make inane arguments that give me a headache…I try not to respond to those people.

  187. Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    “Maybe the latter went in search of Jose Ramirez’s plus plus CU.”

    :D

    I was thinking the men in white coats finally showed up.

  188. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    …so now we are a jewish court of law.

  189. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Moving Posada out from behind the plate had little to do with his defense. He was always bad defensively. The Yankees moved him for the same reason the Twins are moving Joe Mauer – towards the end of Posada’s Yankee career he kept getting hurt.

    The years were taking their toll and the only way to keep his bat (which at the time was still potent) in the lineup was by moving him out from behind the plate.

  190. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Trisha,

    You’ve enjoyed an incredible latitude here in smacking around Posada.

    You can continue it, if you like, but don’t expect it to go unanswered (and I mean that in a very Elizabethan fencing kind of way).

    As for what you resent, I could seriously resent you having become that “just sayin’” person and dragging up old posts of mine, but I not only just overlooked it, I began to be friendly with you again, in spite of it.

    I could repost it right now, but I don’t do that sort of thing. :D

  191. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Chip

    Bernie almost signed with Boston. That doesn’t make him any less loyal or any less of a Yankee.

    Let’s not forget something very important about Posada’s career. He didn’t get 400 AB with the Yankees until he was in his age 26 season.

    That affected his ability to earn significant money, which romanticism aside, is what professional sports is about, financial security for your family.

    In his last season, he hit: .269 .348 .466 .814 v. RHP.

    The Yankees could still use that.

    btw, Ibanez hit: 248 .319 .492 .812 v. RHP.

    So he wasn’t worse.

  192. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Chip, if you are going to quote those numbers when Posada was attempting to convert to DH; then you may as well quote his playoff numbers of 2011: .429/.579/.571/1.150

    There’s no need to prolong the discussion. If you think that the Yankees treated Posada well in that last year, then I don’t care to convince you otherwise. And to denigrate him as a person, is an unfortunate leap on your part. But like I said, think what you like.

  193. Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    “Happy to report that Nick is still among the living.”

    Well thats a relief. No mention of incarceration I hope. :shock:

  194. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Mick, when the Beatles started doing that I am the walrus crap, they lost it in my books. Revolver and Rubber Soul are great albums, but I can’t stand Sargeant Pepper’s lonely effing band

  195. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    “Maybe the latter went in search of Jose Ramirez’s plus plus CU.”

    :D

    I was thinking the men in white coats finally showed up.
    ///

    Maybe His Waxness waxed his poetics one time too many in the actual presence of a non-virtual person, and they took exception and waxed him.

    LOL Yankeefem. He was so sure Jo-Ram’s change was a figment of your imagination.

  196. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    mills, what can i say, psychadelics can have that effect…

  197. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
    “Maybe the latter went in search of Jose Ramirez’s plus plus CU.”

    I was thinking the men in white coats finally showed up.
    _____
    Tar, I believe that that was where he was already posting from. ;)

  198. Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    “and then there are others who use poor grammar, can’t string together a thought or make inane arguments that give me a headache…I try not to respond to those people.”

    KNow wnder chop neever reponds too me.

  199. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Pruf, because Baseball America and everyone else forgot about JRam for two years even though his stuff was still lethal. Guess everyone will have to include him in their top ten this post season.

  200. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    “and then there are others who use poor grammar,
    ================================
    what about spelling errors?do they count.
    and who would be a bad grammar here no old ladies at this site

  201. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    Mick, stick to the Stones.

  202. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    you see here Pat what we have is a failure to have a sense of humor, not you, but a few who take it all too seriously and you know who you are…

  203. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    Rich,

    Posada was worse because he didn’t just play against RHP. Even though he should have been platooned Girardi left him in there out of respect for him.

    And I’m not saying that Posada is less of a Yankee because he negotiated with the Mets. But the notion that JAP was pushing earlier, that Jorge was always great to the Yankees and that the Yankees disrespected him, is not true. The Yankees didn’t disrespect him; and Posada – LIKE EVERY OTHER PLAYER – was willing to put earning power ahead of the team…as you said, romanticism aside, that’s what baseball is about, that was my point with that.

    The other point I’ll make is that a guy who has dealt with the “not a true Yankee” label his entire New York career has handled very similar situations a lot better than Jorge did.

    When Alex came here, he could have complained about moving off SS – he was the better SS at the time. He didn’t. Posada, on the other hand, took his complaints about being moved to either 1b or DH straight to the press.

    Torre dropped Alex in the lineup in the playoffs – he never said a thing publicly. Posada after being dropped in the lineup for a regular season game pulled himself from the lineup in protest.

    Alex was pinch hit for this past season – never complained about it.

    Again, I’m not a huge Alex fan due to the off the field stuff, but in these very specific situations I wish Jorge had acted more like Alex.

  204. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    J Al, then why don’t we do the adult thing and just agree to disagree? My feelings about Posada are what they are. And in turn, despite all the shots you took at me because of my position on Pineda – and there were many, and you were hardly kind in the things you said (much worse than “just sayin”) I also decided to forgive and forget, mainly because I’m much happier getting along and I find “fencing” exhausting. I don’t find expressing differences in opinions exhausting. I find fencing exhausting. I’m not here to get one up on anybody.

    **********

    Pat M, thank you for that, sincerely.

  205. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Alex was pinch hit for this past season – never complained about it.
    ======================
    b/c he is an idiot.
    posada was a true yankee and lived and died the game and dassit.

  206. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Chip, give up while you are behind.

  207. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    And who decides if Alex is a true Yankee or not?

  208. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Chip, again I agree with all of the points you made. Those are the same things that bothered me about Posada. I’m not making them up, despite being accused of not having anything tangible on which to fall back.

  209. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    JAP -

    I don’t think there’s anyone who doesn’t understand what Posada meant to the Yankees and we all wish it could have ended better. But to say that you’re objective in this is not true at all.

    The facts are these:

    1. Jorge Posada threatened to sign with the Mets to milk an extra year out of the Yankees when he was a free agent.

    2. In his last contract with the team, Jorge’s physical ability to stay behind the plate faded due to age and injury but he bristled whenever Girardi tried to move him somewhere else (1b or DH)

    3. In his last year with the Yankees, Jorge’s ability to hit faded yet the Yankees kept him in the lineup despite his deficiencies. He hit .235 with a .317 OBP and no power at all. To give you a comparison, that makes him worse than Russ Martin or Raul Ibanez were last year.

    So what would you have liked the Yankees to do that they didn’t do? Give him another contract?
    ///

    I disagree. There is someone here who does not really understand The Posada Advantage, but I did put you in that group. Any baseball fan understands this. Not getting it is just odd.

    I am aware that Posada used the Mets as leverage, but why the Yankees, who like to speak of prospects as “assets” and Derek Jeter as “just a ballplayer” (until he’s approaching 3,000 – then he’s a “Yankee Legend”) would hold that against a player is beyond me, and as per GLove’s post, they took umbrage with it).

    What would I have liked them to do? How about, we appreciate what you’ve done for us, but we have to move on. We’d like you to stay close to the organization, share your knowledge with our youngsters, etc.

    And I don’t see how I’m not “objective”. He’s a great Yankee who should have been treated with respect. He nearly singularly kept them afloat in the ALDS in his final year, and provided the offense to help them clinch the division.

    So no, it’s not OK that they set a trap for him to make him look bad, so they could justify outwardly lessening his role. Everyone, however, saw through it.

    Well, almost everyone. :D

  210. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Chip, your view of ballplayers negotiating their contracts is what is romantic.

  211. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Chip, if you are going to quote those numbers when Posada was attempting to convert to DH; then you may as well quote his playoff numbers of 2011: .429/.579/.571/1.150

    There’s no need to prolong the discussion. If you think that the Yankees treated Posada well in that last year, then I don’t care to convince you otherwise. And to denigrate him as a person, is an unfortunate leap on your part. But like I said, think what you like.
    ————————-

    First of all:

    I think dealing with an aging star is hard and I think the Yankees handled it as best they could. Which is not the same as saying it was handled well. You had in Posada a very prideful individual who wasn’t willing to accept the reality of what age had done to his game; and in Cashman, Girardi and the rest of the coaches and front office people, a group that has to look at the big picture and not just give blind loyalty to any one player.

    Second:
    Jorge did have a good series in the playoffs, but the second half of the season – but even if I look at just the second half of the 2011 season, when presumably he would have adapted to being a DH, he hit: .246, .310 OBP, .398 SLG, .708 OPS – he was actually slightly better in the first half of the season.

    I’m sorry, but the 9 at bats he got hot for in the ALDS doesn’t mean it took him until then to figure it all out.

  212. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    I don’t like fencing. Don’t need some hole putting a sword in my eye,….. no way.

  213. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    mick, you’re welcome. I love that Forever Young version.

  214. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    jmills, so sorry about your dad. I am sure he is very proud of you. As for all our dads (and grandparents) up in heaven, I am sure they are doing their Yankee thing with the hallowed greats as we post.

  215. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    What would I have liked them to do? How about, we appreciate what you’ve done for us, but we have to move on. We’d like you to stay close to the organization, share your knowledge with our youngsters, etc.

    JAP – did I miss something? Is Jorge not a spring training instructor? I’m sure that if he wanted a larger role within the organization there would be one for him. Posada’s made a ton of money, it’s possible that rather than ride buses in Trenton, Charleston or Scranton that he wants to spend time with his family. Maybe at some point he will seek out that expanded role; but it’s possible he hasn’t yet.

  216. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Chip

    Posada got 71 PA v. LHP in ’11, Ibanez got 65 in ’12. Ibanez was better, but they were both putrid. Plus, we were forced to watch Ibanez in the OF.

    Ibanez’s 2012 season was so weird that any comparison is problematic. He was very good at home, DFA’able on the road, and often alternated overall between horrendous and terrific.

    It should also be noted that Posada was one of the few Yankees to hit in the 2011 playoffs, yet the manager somehow refused to bat him ahead of the perpetually overswinging Swisher.

    I am not going to deny that baseball is a business, a high stakes one.

    I don’t see any comparison between Alex and Posada, or Alex and anyone else. He’s a strange guy, seemingly, but his treatment by Yankee fans until the PED admission proved that some NY fans are as dumb as any fans anywhere.

    Torre got far too much credit beyond the 1996 season, when his calming influence was probably a welcome change from Buck’s overcontrolled ways, although I don’t know that Torre could have changed the losing culture on the Yankees the way Buck did.

  217. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    “And who decides if Alex is a true Yankee or not?”

    Perhaps everyone should be given permission to feel the way he or she feels about individual players without being mocked by anyone else or told that her or his feelings aren’t valid?

    By the way, I did appreciate that you at least took the time to tell me I was entitled to my opinion, even though you strongly disagreed with it. I always understand and respect that perspective YF.

  218. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    YF- I see they went for a comparison of generation boomer and hip hop.
    Don’t see the comparison but appreciate the song.

  219. Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    I really don’t get having to defend Posada, Jeter, or Andy to other Yankee fans. Yet I have felt compelled to defend all three of them at one point or another on this blog.

    Just doesn’t make sense to me.

  220. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Chip, your view of ballplayers negotiating their contracts is what is romantic.
    —————-

    What? I’m one of maybe a half dozen people here who aren’t spinning some fantasy about Cano taking a smaller deal to stay with the Yankees than he could get on the open market.

    I’m also someone who fully expects that if Jeter has a good season he’s going to opt out of his option at the end of the year and work the Yankees for a 2 year deal at more money.

    I get that this is a business and Posada was doing what was best for his business. JUST LIKE THE YANKEES DID AT THE END OF HIS CONTRACT.

  221. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Everybody is entitled to their opinion, that goes without saying.
    What you are dealing with are die hard fans who get insulted when they hear bad things about their grandparents, I mean favorite players.

  222. Cashmoney March 10th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    I was playing MLB 13 the show on and off today, asides from the crispier graphics and unique playoff setups, I love the tweak they did with camera view on balls off the bat… another great installment by The Show.

    Cashmoney is currently feasting on some AA pitchers with Trenton Thunders… YS is within striking distance!

  223. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    I’m not here to get one up on anybody.
    ///

    Really? What has changed? :D

    I think we already disagree. There’s a difference between disagreeing on something and just expecting immunity to trash a beloved Yankee player, which is what you are not getting from me.

    As for disagreements that are actually differing points of view, I don’t have any problem with that.

  224. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Chip, then you should get why a player uses another team for leverage and you should not denigrate a player because of that negotiating ploy.

  225. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    I really don’t get having to defend Posada, Jeter, or Andy to other Yankee fans. Yet I have felt compelled to defend all three of them at one point or another on this blog.

    Just doesn’t make sense to me.
    ///

    I don’t get it either, but here I am having to do it. I guess some think it’s just open season on Posada in here, just as it has been on Jeter many many times in here.

    Brian Cashman, though, the same people defend like he’s some kind of Yankee icon. Puzzling, to say the least.

  226. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    nice venting the night away with fellow yankers…buh bye.

  227. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    Tar, I know. Sometimes I wonder if I inadvertently have happened onto a rival team’s baseball site, a Yankee-hating one at that.

  228. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    Yf, thanks, funny, my dad was going in the spring of ’67, the last year the Leafs made it. I was nine months old, a scrapper, and the neighbours had to claw me back before going over the Scarborough bloughs :) We had Terry Sawchuck, Johnny Bower and a whole host of great players, Tim Horton and Carl Brewer included. Don’t forget about Pete Stemkoski. Davey Keon was the man of course.

  229. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Tar, I clearly remeber whe Derek was going through the contract crap two years ago and how thisblog became so divided. I mean it was shocking as to how many were down on him and selling the washed up notion. Many are still here yet their not called onto the carpet and get hammered. Are these folks not Yankee fans ??? This topic has run it’s course and I find it toxic….Koo Koo Ka Chu

  230. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Trish, no worries. But if we ever go to a game together, I may blow you away with my NY intensity. ;)

  231. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Rich,

    I’m not in any way suggesting that Ibanez was good or should still be here – but objectively – he had more value to the Yankees last year than Posada did in 2011.

    I’m also not delving into Alex’s personality, just that in terms of some very similar situations, he handled them better than Posada did – at least publicly.

    Torre was fantastic at managing the Boss; there’s no doubt that there were Torre Guys (Jeter, Bernie, O’Neill) and Other Guys (Alex, Sheffield, Lofton). Torre really took a hit when Zim left. He wasn’t a great in game manager and relied heavily on Zimmer for that. The problem was that the subsequent bench coaches were all guys who had aspirations of managing and so I don’t think Joe completely trusted them…I lost a lot of respect for Torre when he gave an in-depth interview with Tom Verducci for SI where he let a lot of stuff that was going on in the clubhouse out – while still managing the team. For a guy who stressed “what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse” this was really disappointing to see from him…but we’re getting far afield from the topic at hand.

  232. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    AP – did I miss something? Is Jorge not a spring training instructor? I’m sure that if he wanted a larger role within the organization there would be one for him. Posada’s made a ton of money, it’s possible that rather than ride buses in Trenton, Charleston or Scranton that he wants to spend time with his family. Maybe at some point he will seek out that expanded role; but it’s possible he hasn’t yet.
    ///

    Chip, I think you know that Jorge being in ST has nothing whatsoever to do with what happened in 2011, right?

    So let’s not pretend that what happened didn’t, even though the way it happened apparently is just dandy with you.

    Posada’s “that’s how he (Cashman) operates now,” also was actually a reported response to what happened in 2011.

  233. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    Mick, who wrote, ” sharing the night together ” ? Some kind of disco band, u kno that crap! :D

  234. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Chip, then you should get why a player uses another team for leverage and you should not denigrate a player because of that negotiating ploy.
    —————

    I’m not denigrating Posada at all. I don’t think I’ve said a single thing to in any way knock Posada…in point of fact I think he’s a borderline hall of famer who if nothing else should get a monument.

    But why is it that Jorge doing what’s best for Jorge at the expense of the Yankees is fine, but the Yankees doing what’s best for the Yankees is wrong?

  235. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    Chip

    I don’t know of a site that has platoon splits broken down with regard to home v. on the road, but it seems that Ibanez was better at home, but Posada was probably better overall.

    Again, I don’t think the situation is similar between Alex and anyone.

    As Stick has said, the Boss wasn’t the Boss (in terms of the man he once was) when Torre was here. He was far calmer than the sometimes maniacal person who ran the team in the ’70s and ’80s, And no one handled him better than Stick.

  236. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    Posada’s “that’s how he (Cashman) operates now,” also was actually a reported response to what happened in 2011.
    ———————

    Jorge was p*ssed his career ended. Who wouldn’t be?

    But what should the Yankees have done, given him a lifetime contract?

    You sometimes have to cut ties with iconic players before they’re ready to go.

  237. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    “I think we already disagree. There’s a difference between disagreeing on something and just expecting immunity to trash a beloved Yankee player, which is what you are not getting from me.”

    No, I think I’m expecting what just about everyone else here has the ability to do no matter how vehemently they might disagee with someone else’s opinion – to keep it to a baseball discussion and do away with all the personal invective, insult, and nastiness that oftentimes accompanies your disagreeing with someone else’s point of view.

    I reserve the right to feel whatever way I want to about the players on the team I root for. Whether you agree or disagree is little moment to me. I don’t get wrapped up in my feelings for any player to the extent that I take personal umbrage with those who don’t feel the same way about that player.

  238. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Chip,

    If you don’t see the difference between what they did to try and cut him loose, and approaching a player and telling him honestly that his time has passed, then I cannot help you understand the difference between what is high and what is low ground.

  239. UnKnown March 10th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Lots of great stuff on here tonight.

    JAP, YF, Randy, and Mick. Just some fantastic posts. Great thread. All it’s missing is for G. Love to stop by and drop some serious knowledge and we would be set.

    Of course it would be nice to hear from CB more often as well.

  240. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    Rich –

    Baseball Reference has that split.

    Jorge
    Home: .293 BA, .367 OBP, .878 OPS
    Road: .196, .256, .524

    Ibanez
    Home: .273, .349, .895
    Road: .208, .269, .634

  241. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Tar, I clearly remeber whe Derek was going through the contract crap two years ago and how thisblog became so divided. I mean it was shocking as to how many were down on him and selling the washed up notion. Many are still here yet their not called onto the carpet and get hammered. Are these folks not Yankee fans ??? This topic has run it’s course and I find it toxic….Koo Koo Ka Chu
    __

    This is largely false, Pat.

    It wasn’t about being down on Jeter. It was about a fair contract offer given his stats in two of the three seasons leading up to free agency. Three years at $15m was a fair offer. The stuff in the media should have been avoided.

    Did anyone see that after his 2010 and first have of this 2011 season, that he would turn it around to the degree he did? I doubt it.

    So as I have said, I was wrong. I thought he would be bounce in 2011 and then resume a decline in 2012. Again, as I have said, I was wrong.

    Called on the carpet? You have been wrong too, Pat. Where is the mea culpa on Russell Martin, for example?

  242. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Chip,

    If you don’t see the difference between what they did to try and cut him loose, and approaching a player and telling him honestly that his time has passed, then I cannot help you understand the difference between what is high and what is low ground.
    ———————–

    What did they do to try and cut him loose? They moved him to DH to try and keep him in the lineup more regularly and they kept playing him despite bad results.

    The only thing they did to move him out was not offer him a new contract at the end of the season.

  243. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    No, I think I’m expecting what just about everyone else here has the ability to do no matter how vehemently they might disagee with someone else’s opinion – to keep it to a baseball discussion and do away with all the personal invective, insult, and nastiness that oftentimes accompanies your disagreeing with someone else’s point of view.
    ///

    Oh, lady, take a look in the mirror, will you. Look at your posts to everyone in game threads.

  244. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Chip

    No, I mean the platoon split both at home and on the road each season.

  245. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 10th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    “Trish, no worries. But if we ever go to a game together, I may blow you away with my NY intensity. ;)

    :)

    You just might! But I think you will appreciate the fact that if I happen to be over the moon over a certain player and you’re not, you won’t be made to be the least bit uncomfortable for feeling differently than I.

    ;)

  246. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    La- Deeeeee….Jerry Lewis 1961.

  247. Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    “I’m also not delving into Alex’s personality, just that in terms of some very similar situations, he handled them better than Posada did – at least publicly.”

    The Yankees and Torre were wrong with the whole batting Alex 8th. Cashman and Joe were even more wrong with the whole batting Jorge 9th event. It was just a stupid attempt to embarrass Posada into retiring early. It was a classless and something I would hope a team like the red Sox would do. It was an embarrassment to me as a Yankee fan.

    What you are doing is just giving two examples of how the Yankees disrespect “certain” Yankees. The fact that Alex doesn’t have the same fury temper that Posada has doesn’t change that one bit.

  248. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Rich,

    I agree about Stick and the first thing I would do if given the power is fire Randy Levine and offer Stick the role of Team President (assuming he wanted it at his age)

  249. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    So as I have said, I was wrong. I thought he would be bounce in 2011 and then resume a decline in 2012. Again, as I have said, I was wrong.
    ///

    Rich, you have said this several times.

    Anyone who reads here regularly knows you have said you were wrong about Jeter, without prompting from anyone.

    Kudos.

  250. mick March 10th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    now ive heard it all….YF is blowing Trsih away and she in turn is over the moon…..nite all.

  251. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    Chip

    The first thing I would do, is buy the Rays, fire all their development people, the GM and the manager, and then hire them to work fo the Yankees. :D

  252. J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    Of course it would be nice to hear from CB more often as well.
    ///

    Hi Unknown,

    That would be welcome. CB’s nearly always a must read.

  253. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Thanks, JAP.

    There is enough humble pie to be eaten by everyone at some point, right. ;)

    The older I get, the easier it is to admit being wrong. When I was young, nfw.

  254. jmills March 11th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Mick, u lose; Dr. Hook wrote, ” sharing the night together.” I like, Afternoon Delight, ” as well as anything to do with, Olivia Newton John :)

  255. G. Love March 11th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    This thread has been illuminating. Very illuminating.

    It’s getting easier to separate the wheat from the chaff in here.

  256. Tar March 11th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    It’s baseball!

    If we are wrong 7 out of 10 times it still means we are great fans…..right?

  257. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    Chip, I meant to say: “I did NOT put you in that group.”

  258. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 12:05 am

    Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Thanks, JAP.

    There is enough humble pie to be eaten by everyone at some point, right. ;)

    The older I get, the easier it is to admit being wrong. When I was young, nfw.
    ///

    Hey, I was wrong about Juan Miranda. I thought he’d hit in the majors :)

  259. jmills March 11th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/3.....#038;rel=0

    Dr., Hook.

  260. G. Love March 11th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    Juan Miranda may not have hit in the majors, but that HR he hit in the Rays dome for us is still carrying I think.

  261. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    Chip, the Yankees could have handled Po’s last year in a less belittling and disrespectful manner. Cash has become a bit of a Machiavelli of late, if you haven’t noticed.

    Rich was all about the contract, (and not believing enough in the legacy of Jeet. ;) ) But Rich never attacked Jeter’s character like a few others repeatedly did on here. I don’t like personal attacks on the players’ characters, which is always some subjective narrative without any basis in reality. That is the kind of emotion that is ill-advised.

    mick, watch those metaphors, please.

  262. Rich in NJ March 11th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    yf

    Thanks. To be fair, I think a few loons polluted the discussion, the worst one, fortunately, isn’t here any more as far as I can tell.

    But again, we are all wrong at time, me, Pat, everyone.

  263. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Rich in NJ March 10th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
    Chip

    The first thing I would do, is buy the Rays, fire all their development people, the GM and the manager, and then hire them to work fo the Yankees.
    __
    Can we also have their pitching, Longoria and their farm? Pretty please.

  264. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 12:13 am

    “Oh, lady, take a look in the mirror, will you. Look at your posts to everyone in game threads.”

    I am absolutely willing to admit that I come down hard on posters who IMO are nothing but negative, who call the game over in the first inning, who do nothing but complain. You are absolutely right. And maybe I shouldn’t do it. But you are personally insulting whenever someone disagrees with you, having nothing to do with rooting during games or anything else, and you insult them and lay them out lavender, and then you continue the discussion going with anyone who’s willing to keep the dump going.

    I don’t think my opinion is God and anyone who disagrees is misguided and ridiculous – nor do I think that anyone else’s opinion, including yours, is God and anyone who disagrees is misguided and ridiculous.

    I also think I am totally done with this conversation and spent a lot more of my valuable time discussing it than it is worth. I attempted to be respectful and explain my position, but you don’t allow for that.

  265. UnKnown March 11th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    This thread has been illuminating. Very illuminating.

    It’s getting easier to separate the wheat from the chaff in here.

    ———-

    :lol: Right on man. I think some of us do a pretty good job of that already, but tonight was a very good tutorial.

  266. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    “Trish, no worries. But if we ever go to a game together, I may blow you away with my NY intensity. ”

    You just might! But I think you will appreciate the fact that if I happen to be over the moon over a certain player and you’re not, you won’t be made to be the least bit uncomfortable for feeling differently than I.
    ___
    Just as long as we stay away from Yankee-Seattle games, we’ll be just fine. :mrgreen:

  267. Pat M. March 11th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Hell Rich my comments were not directed at you but rather in general terms… As for Martin, I thought he delivered in certain areas but his BA was certainly lacking. I also was on the Ibanez train , same for Granderson and took heat . My point is it’s great to disagree with front office decisions, the challenge and education is to unravel the decision making process….. This is far more productive than just btching about trades or decisions. Rich , I have great respect for your baseball IQ.

  268. Rich in NJ March 11th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    yf

    Sure, as long as we’re dreaming, we can have it all.

    All joking aside, something like that type of decision-making is how Hal can keep his billions and still field a great team. It can’t be done overnight, but it should be the path forward.

  269. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    G. Love March 11th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    Juan Miranda may not have hit in the majors, but that HR he hit in the Rays dome for us is still carrying I think.
    ///

    That SOB was like 460 feet!

  270. jmills March 11th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    You have to admit, that Dr. Hook video was better than u guys fighting! I love you all anyways!!! :D

  271. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    “Just as long as we stay away from Yankee-Seattle games, we’ll be just fine.”

    Deal!

    :)

  272. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    trisha,

    Finally, something we agree on! The conversation is over.

  273. Rich in NJ March 11th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Pat

    Thanks, and I feel the same about you.

    I am pro-unraveling. It’s hard to know where Cashman’s power ends and the money decisions above him take over, but he keeps cashing the big check, so he has to take the heat for what will be, barring some incredible luck or a decision by ownership to spend a ton again, a painful transition period.

  274. Bronx Jeers March 11th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Franconas gonna give Zach McAlister a spot in the Cleveland rotation.

    He was the player to be named later in the Austin Kearns trade in case you’re keeping score at home.

  275. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Rich, in the meanwhile, maybe Cash should reread The Extra 2% or hire analysts who get it. He clearly misread it or couldn’t execute based on the methodology the first time around.

  276. jmills March 11th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Alfed and Trish, its been a horrible day in the mud, but after all, u sorry so and so’s are friends :)

  277. Pat M. March 11th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    Jeers, I liked Zach. Didn’t he have an injury setback ???

  278. jacksquat March 11th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    Tar March 10th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    The Yankees and Torre were wrong with the whole batting Alex 8th. Cashman and Joe were even more wrong with the whole batting Jorge 9th event. It was just a stupid attempt to embarrass Posada into retiring early.

    This is an assumption, not fact.

    Posada was hitting .165 at the time, so it’s not unusual he was slotted 9th.

    Except for some people here who think Yankee management is always evil.

  279. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    On a general note,

    There’s this weird deal in here where people try to “shame” you into buying that you have emotional investment in players you root for.

    Um, rooting is a term denoting subjectivity; being a fan is a form of provincialism – exhilarating, exasperating, but provincial and not necessarily something “noble” or socially redeeming (it can be, but that’s another post some other day).

    Yeah, I’m not an accountant rooting for my account. I’m a Yankee fan, and I’m invested in certain players, and especially in ones we’ve won championships because of, and who strike me as true Yankees and all of that silly, fun fan stuff.

    It’s a game, so telling me I am “emotional” as a fan is kind of like just saying I’m a fan. I have no problem being a passionate fan and feeling strongly, but that doesn’t mean a fan doesn’t go through an analytical thought process.

    I don’t get how some like to present themselves as “detached” fans. Why waste time being a fan? You can’t reduce everything to production (who’d want to) and by the way, I don’t buy your rational fan BS any way :)

  280. Rich in NJ March 11th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    “Except for some people here who think Yankee management is always evil.”

    Strawman alert.

  281. jacksquat March 11th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    Rich in NJ March 11th, 2013 at 12:33 am
    “Except for some people here who think Yankee management is always evil.”

    Strawman alert.

    —-

    When certain people start to ever take a different position, I’ll adjust my statement.

  282. jmills March 11th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    Alfred, you’re a wonderful Yankees fan, no doubt, Gwen Steffani, as I am a dedicated Jays fan. I say , ” don’t care what they think, get on with Paul Molitar hitting 400.”

  283. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    jmills, not quite but he hit .350 one year, didn’t he?… hey Cano hit .342 :)

  284. Bronx Jeers March 11th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    Jeers, I liked Zach. Didn’t he have an injury setback ???

    ———-

    Don’t believe so. He’s pitched around 350 innings over the past 2 seasons.

    He might have gotten the odd start had he remained with the Yank org but man did Kearns look bad. And Berkman just never got comfortable.

  285. Rich in NJ March 11th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    “When certain people start to ever take a different position, I’ll adjust my statement.”

    I realize you like Cashman (although not Girardi), but no one thinks that every decision he (or anyone else) makes is bad (whether or not he is a bad guy is less important), however, he has made enough bad decisions, especially in the context of what has been a huge payroll advantage, to deserve a healthy amount of criticism.

  286. jmills March 11th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    Alfred, Molitar is a very, very special hitter. He was so glad to win up here. To tell you the truth, I would have been over the Keith Moon if he won in Milwaukee – love the guy!

  287. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 12:49 am

    “Posada was hitting .165 at the time, so it’s not unusual he was slotted 9th.”

    Posada had gone I believe 3/9 going into that infamous May 14th Red Sox game and ended up hitting .293/.367/.511/.878 at home.

  288. G. Love March 11th, 2013 at 12:55 am

    I can tell you many of us didn’t think the front office was evil for awhile.

    For me it started when Cashman was touring the northeast with Theo patting one another on the back about how smart they both were in speaking engagements. That disgusted me as a fan.

    It was such a smug self serving endeavor for a guy whose team hadn’t won a title since 2000 and had lost to Theo’s mythical Red Sox because we didn’t have enough starting pitching.

    When the team decided to go for broke and actually sign some big players in 09, I laid off Cashman thinking he learned his lesson about thinking he was sitting on a farm system ready to produce championship baseball before those guys had even truly arrived.

    What’s gone on since 09 has been wrong. He’s back to where he was emotionally as our GM pre-09 touring with Theo. The low cost I’m smarter than everyone else pickups. The smug, almost narcissistic behavior when questioned.

    09 was a blip that happened because the spirit of George was used that season.

    George wasn’t always right. I wanted to strangle him when he signed Sheff while Vlad was dying to come here and play RF for us. What he did to Winfield was wrong.

    But George wasn’t ashamed of their revenues. He wasn’t ashamed of spending on International free agents. He wasn’t ashamed of being The Yankees.

    Cashman has always been ashamed of the checkbook but he doesn’t have the stones to actually leave here and go win with a tiny payroll.

    Management isn’t always evil. They do good things. They do Hope Week and the Damon Runyon 5k I participate in at the stadium every year with my family.

    But this plot to make more money by going under budget while this team has 2 OF’ers, no C and no depth is wrong.

    Maybe guys will step up. Maybe they’ll play Musty and Mesa instead of the retreads.

    But telling fans they can’t be upset at how the team is being run when it’s being run in a way that makes no sense except economically for the owners is ridiculous.

    There’s no right or wrong way to be fan. Many of us, myself included, have been wrong on players.

    It’s just rare to see people ever admit they were wrong when they are so entrenched in their blog identity/argument to see the grey between the black and white.

    And the knife twisting that goes on here got to be too much for even myself to not react.

    This place is great when people are talking baseball. It’s still great some of the time when the “I’m the gweatest Yankee fan there is because I don’t care!” nonsense isn’t going on.

    And if you pay attention to what people say they reveal a lot about who they really are as a fan.

    I like the baseball talk. The celebrating. The venting. The speculating. The numbers. The stories about the past. The stories about going to the stadium.

    Most of us are very good at keeping it like that. We just need to be better at not taking the bait that’s laid out for us at times.

    I know, for me, I’ve been enlightened by J.AP, Yanksfem and GB7 (RIP) over the years who have spoken up about players in the pipeline who we should hold onto. GB7 was a big Nova fan I recall and when Nova pitched so well in rookie season I made it a point to credit him for that to show that I pay attention to what people post when it’s interesting and informative.

    And I was the first guy to call them “prospect huggers”. Meanwhile, I’m drooling over Ramirez. But my opinion wasn’t changed because I was talked down to. Or yelled at. Or passive agressive to deathed. It changed because I listened and I really respected what others had to so. I didn’t just say “I respect what others have to say” and not mean it like many do on here.

    People change. They get smarter (I hope). They learn more (I think). It’s life.

    But we come here to talk about baseball. At least most of us do. Some just can’t stand our conversation or our tone at times and for them I hope someday Chad bestows us the ignore button I’ve so desired in the many years I’ve been posting here.

  289. jmills March 11th, 2013 at 1:01 am

    G. Love, don’t fret, there is always time for Ginger Baker and Robbie Alomar! As MTU says, if u don’t like what u read,…..passover! :)

  290. Rich in NJ March 11th, 2013 at 6:46 am

    Randy

    Nice story, I can relate in some ways.

  291. GregD March 11th, 2013 at 7:06 am

    Love the fact that Yanks seem to be close to having pitchers who can help soon…..Marshall, Ramirez, Nuno, Warren ………….we will need them as our older staff will break down……you can take it to the bank……

  292. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    G. Love,

    Your post reminds me of a tale about the wind and the sun and a man with a coat.

    I want to congratulate our own Robinson Cano for being his team’s MVP through the first round. (I only wish he’d been able to do the same during the last 4 games of the post season.)

    With every laudatory remark, with every camera shot of Cano in the dugout, I felt like the Yankees just need to write a blank check. Even if this crest is short- lived, I do not want to have to see a player I watched develop into a star go and ply his trade for another team. Even more so than Hughes. And I don’t want Hughes to go either.

    Another thought i had is the Yankees play tight in the post season. They don’t have the pure joy of being in the playoffs that other teams have, and that those dynasty Yankees had. Once it became a “must” and once fans and media expected it rather than hoped for it, there was no happiness in getting to the playoffs, just a sense of relief, and the same feeling one gets when checking an item off a list. Even the exuberance after the 2009 WS win did not last long enough, to me anyway.

    I know this season and possibly next will have some challenges, but I feel like we have to allow ourselves the opportunity to feel real joy about the steps along the way. I think we have to get away from, at least a little bit, the administrative part of the game which has become so divisive.

  293. jacksquat March 11th, 2013 at 7:44 am

    If Cashman is someone who doesn’t want to spend money so he looks smart winning, he sure has done a good job of maxing the budget the past years, including this year which is about the same as last. You can criticize the spread of the money but the amount is there, at least through 2013. Or did ownership force that? There always seems to be an excuse…

    I have no problem with people being “fans” which I do realize comes from the word “fanatic”. What I do have a problem with is some people seemingly having lost all objectivity in their criticism of Cashman, Girardi and ownership. And I don’t think bringing that up makes me or anyone an “apologist” or “zombie”. Some people here are divisive with some sort of Bush “with us or against us” type stances.

  294. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Doreen-

    Good morning.

    I share your sentiments about Cano and Hughes.

    Prefer not to lose them.

  295. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Good morning Greg.

    The more prospects w ability that we have the more likely it is that one or more of them make it to the majors and contribute.

    Young arms are the most fragile portion of a Team’s resources. Most fall to injury, or simply fail to reach their projected ceilings.

    By this time next year, if all goes well, the rest of baseball will be sitting up and taking notice of the Yankee Farm system.

    The crop is about ready to come in and w luck the harvest can begin.

    ;)

  296. Tar March 11th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    “This is an assumption, not fact.
    Posada was hitting .165 at the time, so it’s not unusual he was slotted 9th.”

    What is unusual is to make that decision right before a national TV game vs Boston. And than to hold a press conference mid game to further dig in the knife.

    Such a leap of faith to “assume” Cashman did not have good intentions regarding Jorge huh JS?

    What I have a problem with is some people having lost all objectivity in their praise of Cashman, Giradi and ownership.

  297. MG March 11th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Last night’s conversation about Jorge and some of the comments about him being ‘selfish’ just make no sense to me.

    The guy was a lifelong Yankee who played his guts out every time he took the field.

    He’s a borderline Hall of Fame player and will eventually get a monument.

    At the same time, the Yankees paid him over $100M during his career so took good care of him and dwelling on him being ‘disrespected’ 3 seasons later doesn’t make much sense either.

    Cashman won’t ever have a monument in center field, Jorge will.

    Nothing else really matters when it comes to Yankee tradition, does it?

  298. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    The loss of objectivity cuts both ways.

    All of the characters in all these discussions are human beings. None are perfect; all have made mistakes, many probably harbor regrets.

    Why is it always necessary to either demonize or sanctify? On either side of these issues??

    We are on the outside looking in on all these matters.

  299. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Morning MG.

    There have been times in recent years where I did not like Cashman, or Management’s attitude toward certain players.

    I am of the belief that negotiations, in particular, should not be commented on in public until they are complete.

    In fact, I do not believe any dirty laundry should be aired in public.

    It is one of the reasons I have such little respect for guys like Guillen and Valentine.

  300. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    New one —–>

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