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Spring training Game 16: Yankees at Blue Jays

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YANKEES (3-11)
Brett Gardner LF
Jayson Nix SS
Kevin Youkilis 3B
Juan Rivera 1B
Francisco Cervelli C
Matt Diaz DH
Melky Mesa CF
Thomas Neal RF
Jose Pirela 2B

RHP David Phelps (1-1, 1.00)

BLUE JAYS (7-7)
Rajai Davis LF
Emilio Bonifacio 2B
Colby Rasmus DH
Jose Bautista RF
Melky Cabrera CF
Adam Lind 1B
Mark DeRosa 3B
Josh Thole C
Mike McCoy SS

LHP J.A. Happ (1-0, 3.00)

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES Network

WEATHER: Bright and sunny here in Dunedin. Wind blowing left to right.

UMPIRES: HP Marcus Pattillo, 1B Phil Cuzzi, 2B Mark Carlson, 3B Travis Carlson

AGAIN? This will be the third time the Yankees have seen J.A. Happ this spring. First time they faced him he broke Curtis Granderson’s forearm.

YOUNG PEN: None of the projected big league relievers made the trip, but it’s another chance for Mark Montgomery, Preston Claiborne and Branden Pinder. Also should be an inning or two for Dellin Betances, who threw a sim game alongside CC Sabathia five days ago but is scheduled to get in a real game today.

WHAT TO WATCH: Today certainly feels like a let down after yesterday. Not a single player announced retirement plans today. Boring. … As the Yankees continue to search for a new corner infielder, they’ll get another look at Juan Rivera at first base and Ronnier Mustelier at third. Either right-handed hitter could make the team at this point, and there could be room for both on the roster. … What is this, the 12th spring start for David Phelps? Should be up around 150 pitches by now. … Jayson Nix hasn’t gotten a ton of time at shortstop this spring, but the Yankees seem confident in his ability to play any infield position. He’s the most reliable, but maybe the least exciting, of the infield alternatives.

UPDATE, 1:19 p.m.: A 1-2-3 inning for Phelps after the Yankees left runners at the corners in the top of the first.

UPDATE, 1:40 p.m.: Current back-and-forth in the crowd during Youkilis’ third-inning at-bat.
Fan 1 (presumably a Blue Jays fan): Youkilis! Go back to Boston!
Fan 2 (presumably a Red Sox fan): We don’t want him!
Must be nice to be beloved.

UPDATE, 1:48 p.m.: Through three innings, Phelps has allowed two base runners — both singles — while striking out one. Kind of a typical Phelps outing: Doesn’t look all that overwhelming, but it’s very effective. I’m not sure he has a real chance to beat Ivan Nova for a spot in the rotation, but he’s pitching too well to think he’ll have to go back to Triple-A.

UPDATE, 1:57 p.m.: With one out in the fourth inning, the Yankees have runners at second and third and J.A. Happ just left the game. He didn’t break any Yankees arms today.

UPDATE, 2:14 p.m.: Phelps fields a sharp comebacker for the last out of the fourth inning. He’s allowed three hits but the game is still scoreless.

UPDATE, 2:30 p.m.: Three-run double by Juan Rivera — with Youkilis scoring from first on a close play at the plate — then Matt Diaz smokes a line drive that gets snatched by the second baseman. Tough luck for Diaz. Three-hit day for Rivera who’s hitting .360 this spring.

UPDATE, 2:45 p.m.: Phelps walked one in the fifth, but he also struck out two and got through the inning without allowing a run. It’s still a 3-0 Yankees lead.

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156 Responses to “Spring training Game 16: Yankees at Blue Jays”

  1. Chip March 10th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 10th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Chip March 10th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    JAP –

    Jorge couldn’t stay healthy behind the plate. Broken foot, concussion, bad shoulder…he was old and falling apart. They couldn’t keep running him out there and everyone not named Posada knew it.
    ///

    So they had to set him up when he broke down, because they knew all that heart and soul and passion that lined their pockets for so many years because it translated into a warrior on the field, (and a marvel who could also switch-hit for power and average and draw walks) would become enflamed, because, unlike them, he doesn’t have a political bone in his body: they **cked with his pride and they knew he would express that hurt, and then they would try to paint him as a “quitter” – not a “team player,” and all that other BS they shovelled that you and Trisha swallow like provender.

    That you didn’t see through that, and that you blame Posada,…that says volumes.
    ——————-

    WTF are you talking about?

    Jorge couldn’t play in the field so they moved him to DH.

    Jorge couldn’t hit so they didn’t re-sign him.

    What the hell else should they have done?

  2. blake March 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    From the prev thread…..trading a couple of prospects for an impact player in their prime isn’t “stripping the farm”.

    I think any time we try to discuss this stuff it’s easy to build strawmen arguments and say “lets not trade the farm for player x” instead of looking at what was actually proposed and weighing the pros and cons of that particular thing…..

  3. blake March 10th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Youk finally gets his first hit like what 2 weeks into ST

  4. tucker March 10th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    They certainly probably should have demoted Posada in the order. They didn’t have to demote him on a Saturday game of the week vs. the Sox. They knew his personality and likely had a pretty good idea how he would react.

    It may have been a necessary move. But it exhibited a distinct lack of class from Girardi ( who always had a rough relationship with Posada, who took his job) and the front office.

  5. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Go Phelps! Go Dellin! Go Yanks!

    Hip Hip!

  6. mick March 10th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES Network
    ==============
    Really?

  7. blake March 10th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Posada deserved better than how he was treated IMO…..

  8. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    blake, yep. Abominable treatment. Disappointing.

  9. Bo knows March 10th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    I think any time we try to discuss this stuff it’s easy to build strawmen arguments and say “lets not trade the farm for player x” instead of looking at what was actually proposed and weighing the pros and cons of that particular thing…..

    —————————–
    The problem is that trading top players out of A ball is shortsighted because their value is so low.

    For the sake of argument – Heathcott and Austin continue without a hitch in AA. Halfway through the season they individually can be the main piece in a trade and certainly next winter. Then again bear in mind that Trenton suppresses offense. I really don’t get excited about a player until he’s in AA, that’s the benchmark. From there he’s a phone call away from the Majors.

    Then they start over – a whole ‘nother challenge.

  10. blake March 10th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    I do think the Yanks tried to make it right with his retirement presser though ….they gave him a big one and made it a big deal. It was a tough situation that was handled poorly by the Yanks and I think after the fact they knew it……

  11. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Melky Mesa’s least favorite pitch…

  12. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Welp, today I’m much less conflicted.. looking forward to fully rooting for the American team today (it’s inherently difficult for me to root against a team of players that have names ending in vowels).

  13. G. Love March 10th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    The Yankees handled the Posada stuff very poorly and now looking back at it, it was a disgrace. Cashman was leaking info left & right along with other front office cronies. It just was handled bad and made Jorge appear to be a quitter when all the guy wanted was some regular playing time and to get behind the dish again.

    The fact that they didn’t let him catch Mo’s historic save that season as a gesture was despicable.

    They were mad at Jorge for going to the Mets to get that 4th year that the Yankees didn’t want to pay him.

    I’ve even heard Francesa say the same thing and that he heard it from Yankee insiders that the front office were furious at Jorge for making them put up that 4th year.

    And to look even back further not giving Bernie a one year contract to come back and only a minor league invite was disgraceful. He was still a major league ball player, showed he was still productive his final season and he wasn’t ready to quit the game.

    With all the emotion of watching Mo being able to walk off on his own terms it’s sad and infuriating that Bernie and Jorge were not allowed the same privilege while both were still productive players.

  14. yankfan1 March 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    I dont understand how they mistreated him. He wasnt hitting and was pretty bad behind the plate, why would they give him playing time? 344 Abs was more than fair for a guy with a -0.6 WAR. The organization has to move on even if the player isn’t ready to.

  15. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Wish I was getting the game today :(

  16. yankfan1 March 10th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    oops completely forgot about the lineup fiasco. That was a bad move by the Yankees. But Posada didnt really accept his role. The yankees should of just been more honest with him, and he should of been more accepting. The “quitter” thing i cant defend, that was gutless.

  17. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Heard this morning Venezuelans were calling for Sojo’s head.

  18. Bo knows March 10th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    I actually like Neal the most of the OF hopefuls.

    Melky – What’s that Good morning…… Goodnight thing?

    Still hate his setup, that one man band thing. He’s toned it down a bit but still too many moving parts.

  19. RadioKev March 10th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Phelps really has to stay a starter. He was very good in the pen last year, but the rotation is his best fit.

  20. tucker March 10th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    The Posada retirement presser was done right.

    It almost seems as if Cashman feels like he needs to “break” these core players in a very public way over fears that the players will leverage the immense good will that they have built with the fan base.

    They did it with Jeter in the public negotiations for his new contract. They appropriately felt he was no longer a $20-plus million per year player, and that played out during negotiations. They did it to Posada on the highest profile stage, etc.

    Cashman wants to put the best possible product on the field. But most Yankees fans are sophisticated enough to know that these players are past their prime ans the front office does not need to employ these tactics. Just transition in a respectful way. These core players deserve at least that.

  21. mick March 10th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    I would give Phelps the full shot this season and trade Hughes.

  22. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Blue Jays on the radio and Jerry Howarth just had a great saying – ” you win with humility and lose with courage.” Jack Morris is his sidekick even if he couldn’t tie Stieb’s shoes.

  23. Bo knows March 10th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Man, it’s a pleasure to watch Phelps pitch. And it should have been a SO on Lind.

  24. mick March 10th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    If things don’t go Hal’s way he will have to face the possibility of firing and hiring a new yesman GM. Losing will not be enough, this will take a 1/2 full stadium , but that would follow …

    Someone said they want them to fail the other day. Even said it would be humorous.
    Only a massive ego would say this. But being the one who is right is the ultimate for some.

  25. MG March 10th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    with all the innings being thrown by Phelps I wonder if the Yankees are showcasing him for other teams in an effort to find some help in the field…

  26. mick March 10th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Phelps has to be ready as Master Phil might not be .

  27. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    This is the first time I’ve heard Jack Morris doing colour. A Twins fan was warning us about Jack’s self stories, but I’ll be my own judge and jury.

  28. Bo knows March 10th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    with all the innings being thrown by Phelps I wonder if the Yankees are showcasing him for other teams in an effort to find some help in the field…

    ————————–
    I think that would be a given. Phelps at the worst would be a quality, bottom of the order starter in the NL. Like him better than Kennedy.

  29. mick March 10th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    the yanks will not be offered anything of value this spring as other teams know they are dealing from a weak position.
    their best bet is to stay the course with their youngsters but that should go without saying.
    a panic move would be out of their new character of spending less and trusting the youth.
    after all, grandy and tex will be back soon, isn’t this the perfect time to test the prospects?
    nobody is handing them morneau or cuddyer.

  30. RadioKev March 10th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    mick March 10th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    I would give Phelps the full shot this season and trade Hughes.
    ———-

    Nah. Hughes still has more upside, he’s stretched out to pitch a full season, and you can never have too much pitching.

  31. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I guess Rivera’s getting all his hits out of the way in the spring…

  32. mick March 10th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    The Yanks, if they have no intention of resigning Hughes, should give the 4th or 5th spot to Phelps.
    Why showcase Hughes in his walk year? Esp if Phelps is the better pitcher.

  33. yankeehotelfoxtrot March 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Phelpsy’s off to a great start, but it definitely remains to be seen if he’s better than Hughes. He’s definitely a great spot starter and insurance if anyone gets hurt (or Phil’s arm “dies” like it does every year or two). With a good season, he should lock down a rotation spot for ’14.

  34. Bo knows March 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Nova or Phelps have a lot more value than Hughes in bringing back a Majors ready position player.

  35. yankeehotelfoxtrot March 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    jmills, Ha!! Rivera’s such a nimrod. Didn’t look too nimble at first yesterday.

    As for the pitching situation: no one’s getting traded any time soon. You definitely “can’t have too much pitching” and with the (lack of) offense, we need all the good arms we can get. Speaking of good arms, Ramirez is lookin’ like a stud!! Hopefully he doesn’t catch “Betances Syndrome.”

  36. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Cecil, that 88mph fireballer.

  37. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Nova and Phelps are cheap pitchers who need to be in the rotation next year.

  38. G. Love March 10th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    mick,

    I have a hard time believing that a real Yankee fan can want them to fail to laugh about it. I think that’s just blog rhetoric, otherwise why would you come here if you didn’t want the team to win?

    I think a lot of us are afraid they are being run into the ground before our eyes and maybe that’s a coping mechanism?

    I’m firmly on the side that I want this team to win and have a great season, but I also think the front office is filled with morons who now care more about profit than winning. I also see a link between Cashman’s personal life going out of control and the team management and plan going awry.

    Hal has a chance to pull this back from the abyss if he wants to. They need help this season and if refuses to do it because it adds contracts next year that doesn’t let him win his budget game limbo, then we’ve stopped being the Yankees his Father handed to him.

    George may have wanted to get 189 if the team was still loaded, but if it was limping offensively he would’ve spent whatever it took to build a stronger overall team.

  39. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Nice to see you yhf, the sun is out with baseball on the bathroom radio, blessed am I.

  40. RadioKev March 10th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    From June 3rd to August 28th, Hughes pitched to a 3.20 ERA. He’s shown signs he could be a quality 3rd starter, or perhaps if he takes the next step, a number 2 type pitcher. He’s still got that upside.

    I like Phelps a lot, but I don’t see that.

    I also think it’s more likely than not that if Hughes has a quality season, the Yankees will resign him.

  41. smartchoices March 10th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    “their new character of spending less and trusting the youth”

    As if the new ‘plan’ is universally understood to be and accepted as the absolute right thing to do and guaranteed ticket to WS success.

  42. RadioKev March 10th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    The Blue Jays commentators are pretty decent, by the way. I’d take these guys over the Sox commentators any day.

  43. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Great sounding play by DeRosa who will also keep heads on straight around here.

  44. Bo knows March 10th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Hal, the 210 million scrooge.

  45. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Radio, I was so fortunate to grow up with Tom Cheek and Jerry Howarth – pure respectable class.

  46. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    I have a hard time believing that a real Yankee fan can want them to fail to laugh about it. I think that’s just blog rhetoric, otherwise why would you come here if you didn’t want the team to win?
    =========================
    G Love-
    The reasoning behind the lunacy of wishing bad things to happen is to hasten the demise of the Hal/Cash regime.
    Also, being able to say I-told-you-so, which is paramount for some.
    But what do I know?
    Maybe it’s just a grudge…

  47. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    G.Love, solid post. mick, if the Yanks have any chance of being a contender inthe AL East this season they need Phillip Hughes. Who by the way if stays healthy will be the club’s top starter right behind Sabathia.

  48. yankeefeminista March 10th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    I wish Melky Mesa could hit curveballs like the Real Melky.

  49. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    I also see a link between Cashman’s personal life going out of control and the team management and plan going awry.
    =======================
    While this is definitely viable, I see Cash as Hal’s yesman and nothing more.
    Once he demanded autonomy, now he is reduced to a go-pher. A go-pher who dumpster dives.
    But he needs the money so will do as he is told…

  50. yankeehotelfoxtrot March 10th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Thanks jmills, you as well my man. It’s sunny and beautiful here in CT, so I am blessed too…I’m “watching” on gameday. Where do you reside?

  51. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Who by the way if stays healthy will be the club’s top starter right behind Sabathia.
    =============================
    said like the gambler you are Pat…….I would place Kuroda and Andy above hughes in terms of importance and reliability.

  52. G. Love March 10th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Pat M.,

    That’s the dilemma we have as fans right now. I look at Hughes and think we need/want him to be great and then in the next breath I think, “there’s no way we can sign him to stay under Hal’s 189, so let’s deal him for something quick”.

    That’s just crazy thinking for a Yankee fan to sit there and think. That we need to trade a young pitcher we developed because our owners won’t want to pay him next year.

    That’s the frustration and anger everyone is feeling towards the team. It’s not that we don’t want the players to win. I’m excited to see Ichiro and Gardner in this lineup together in the hopes it clicks.

    But we want to know we don’t have the captain of the Titanic steering the ship without enough lifeboats on it.

  53. RadioKev March 10th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Cashman cannot make withdrawals from Hal’s bank account. Sorry. He has to make the most out of the budget he’s given.

  54. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Yf, you’re welcome to visit the real Melky anytime you want. Lots of good seats although given the builup, there’s going to be all kinds of fair weather fans who will bore you with domestic talk for 2 and a half hours.

  55. UnKnown March 10th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    The players are what makes baseball so great not the GM’s and Owner’s.

    I think sometimes the latter forgets why they are able to enjoy a rich life and all the perks that come with it.

    Without players like MO, Jeter, Pettitte, and YES even Posada, the Cashman’s and Hal’s of the world are irrelevant.

  56. Tar March 10th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    “It almost seems as if Cashman feels like he needs to “break” these core players in a very public way over fears that the players will leverage the immense good will that they have built with the fan base.”

    Tucker

    All great posts about Po and the core players. I will add this.

    “On Nov. 5, 2003, general manager Brian Cashman announced that the Yankees would allow Pettitte to test the free-agent market. Despite the fact that Pettitte had not formally filed for free agency, Cashman did not present him with any offers.”

    Yes Andy wanted to be close to family and Cashman gave him a big shove off to Houston. And than he comes back, is a warrior, pitches hurt and gets hard lined in his next negotiation.

    Screw Cashman and his classless treatment of Yankee legends.

  57. m1kew March 10th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I just got home and tried YES but the game is not on there. Does anyone know if this game is on tv? Thanks.

  58. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Yes Andy wanted to be close to family and Cashman gave him a big shove off to Houston.
    =========================
    Andy wanted to be with best buddy Roger in Texas.
    He is not the pristine one we make him out to be.

  59. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Phelps has looked very good. Nice defense, too.

  60. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Yhf – last time I checked I was still in Hamilton, Ontario :)

  61. yankeehotelfoxtrot March 10th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    A. How close are you to the Rogers Centre? 2. How many games do you plan on attending in ’13?

  62. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    what a great marketing idea. a world series of exhibition games…

  63. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    there’s going to be all kinds of fair weather fans who will bore you with domestic talk for 2 and a half hours.
    ================
    if you want to see passionate fans go to the racetrack or even jailai where fans have money on the line.
    todays baseball fans are there to commune with their smartphones.

  64. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    4 balls for youk.
    we need more of that.

  65. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    G.Love……Yanks will resign Hughes as they must understand that they can’t keep throwing 30 million dollars at 40 somethings like Pettite and Kuroda hoping that they stay upright and productive. Hughes and Pineda following Sabathia will be a dynamite 1-2-3 and you hope that Nova finds himself again. As for Phelps, I remember being told by a Phillie scout that Phelps is ready to be good right now and that was during the All-Star break last season. SJ was telling me the other day that this Ramierez kid has ” The Stuff ” to be good….Pineda has lost 30 pounds and has been popping in his sessions and we’ll be seeing him by July. Pitching is the foundation looking forward. Fielding a team is going to be a challenge though

  66. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    I can make the dome and be seated in just over an hour if everybody goes right! I’m a spur of the moment type for Friday night and Saturday games.I imagine I’ll get down 5 or 6 times as I tend to be lazy here on my side deck. I don’t pay for TV so everything is in my head.

  67. austinmac March 10th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Rivera just made the team.

  68. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Rivera doubles in 2, welcome to the Yankees!

  69. G. Love March 10th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Pat M.,

    Ramirez is the goods. I don’t get all excited by prospects that often, but this guy looks like he will be fronting a rotation health permitting. Amazing location, the ball is fast, accurate and heavy looking and he has 2 other pitches.

    If they don’t screw him up and make him a reliever, he’ll be in the rotation.

    Good news on Pineda. The media has backed off on that so we haven’t heard him popping in sessions anymore.

    As for Hughes, the X factor in all of this is him wanting to stay a Yankee when he has a choice. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out if he thinks he was mishandled along the way or not.

  70. m1kew March 10th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Is this game on tv?

  71. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Maybe Emilio can play second.

  72. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    So it might come down to Rivera or Musty’s ST bat but it shouldn’t.
    Both can make this team as long as Diaz and Johnson don’t.

  73. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Rivera doubles in 2,
    =============
    make that 3.

  74. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    The Dutch are out of the tournament.

  75. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    IF Musty makes the team, why not send down Mesa and play Gardner in CF?
    Musty can play either corner OF spot.

  76. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Phelps about to finish 5 scoreless and Hughes is nowhere to be seen.
    Did he come into camp overweight and outta shape again?

  77. CountryClub March 10th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Joe Posnaski just tweeted out an article comparing Mo to Goose and someone commented that Mo isn’t clutch and that he’d take many others over him. I couldn’t help myself and asked him if he was being serious. He responded that Mo blew 01 & 04 and that he stands by his statement that he’d take many others over him.

    I hate that I got caught in his web, but I responded that he should look at his whole post season career and that not being perfect doesn’t equal not being clutch.

    Anyway, thought some of you would get a chuckle out of it.

  78. yankeehotelfoxtrot March 10th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Speaking of outta shape, what’s up with Sloba and his crustache? Has anybody else had enough of that clown? He’s mediocre at best.

  79. UnKnown March 10th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    The Dutch are out of the tournament.

    ————-

    I don’t think so. They play Cuba tomorrow winner moves on to face Japan.

  80. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    CountryClub…..I’m a big Goose fan, however I think Joe Pos needs to be reminded about George Brett

  81. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Bench of Nix BUIF, Nunez DH/SS, Mustelier 3B/OF/1B/DH, Stewart with
    Rivera/Youk and jeter cano gardy ichiro mesa cervelli hafner
    would be alright by me.

  82. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Mustelier in at 3rd.

    Rasmus is one of the scruffiest individuals I’ve seen in a while.

  83. mick March 10th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Joe Pos just lost his credibility.
    Not a clutch reporter…

  84. pkyankfan69 March 10th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    So on opening day vs Lester the lineup is going to look something like this?

    1 – Gardner – LF
    2 – Jeter – SS
    3 – Cano – 2B
    4 – Youk – 1B
    5 – Nunez – DH
    6 – Mustelier – 3B
    7 – Mesa – CF
    8 – Stewart – C
    9 – Ichiro – RF

    ??????????????????????

  85. mick March 10th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    a key to this team is whether diaz and/or johnson makes the team.
    this would mean one or both of musty and mesa will not.

  86. CountryClub March 10th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    I want to be clear: Joe Pos didn’t say Mo wasn’t clutch. A commenter did. Pos thinks Mo is best closer ever.

  87. mick March 10th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    ichiro too valuable a hitter to hit 9th, switch him and gardy and cervelli over stewie.

  88. mick March 10th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    jeter will leadoff.

  89. CountryClub March 10th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Pat M,

    You really should search out the article. You might be surprised at some of the stats. For instance, Goose’s era in one inning appearances was 3.75

  90. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    My wrong about the Dutch, the radio deceived me.

  91. mick March 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    rivera will get start at 1st, youk to 3rd.

  92. UnKnown March 10th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I’m still a big Phelps guy. He just manages to continue to get outs.

  93. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Some nice camera work.

  94. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Jack Morris sounds fairly innocuous thus far.

  95. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Wow.

    2001, Rivera made the right pitch. By all rights that was an out pitch. 2001 was a prime example of how sometimes the breaks go someone else’s way for no good reason, that the baseball gods had something else in mind.

    How that makes Mo not clutch, I’ll never know.

    And in 2004, wasn’t Mo also dealing with a very tragic family issue? And wasn’t it a team collapse?? That is, if there was a playoff in 2004. Because my memory is that 2004 did not exist.

    ****

    We will have to see what happens with our Yankees going forward. I refuse to get angry, because it’s not anything I have any control over. My fantasy is that Mo and Jeter and whoever sit down with Hal and say, “what are ya doing to the Bronx BOMBERS??”

    I am happy to see that the pitching does look like it can be a strength going forward. But without the supporting offense, you can lose an awful lot of 1-0, 2-1 games, can’t you?

    I’m holding out that the story has time to change.

  96. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    I do think, however, in recent years, the Yankees got carried away going after a certain type of hitter, and there shouldn’t be a need for 9 power hitters in the lineup.

  97. ac1 March 10th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    1 – Gardner – LF
    2 – Jeter – SS
    3 – Cano – 2B
    4 – Youk – 1B
    5 – Nunez – DH
    6 – Mustelier – 3B
    7 – Mesa – CF
    8 – Stewart – C
    9 – Ichiro – RF
    ____

    vs. Lefty would go:

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Youkilis
    Mustelier
    Nunez (DH)
    Cervelli
    Mesa

    vs. Righty

    Gardner
    Ichiro
    Jeter
    Cano
    Hafner (DH)
    Youk
    Mustelier
    Cervelli
    Mesa

  98. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    I think theoretically you can swap out Andy, Kuroda and Mo’s salary and keep both Hughes and Cano and adhere to $189…… but, that still keeps you pretty strapped through 2016.. very little flexibility.

  99. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Shame,

    It’s gonna be interesting to see what they do. It’s a challenge.

  100. ac1 March 10th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Phelps about to finish 5 scoreless and Hughes is nowhere to be seen.
    Did he come into camp overweight and outta shape again?
    ___

    It’s likely Hughes will start the season on the DL.
    I actually think Phelps has the edge over Nova right now too.

    But like with the Musty situation, I feel like Yankees will just go with nova at #5 and Phelps in long relief because thats what they know and they wont think outside the box.

  101. ac1 March 10th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    i like this Nuno fella.

  102. ac1 March 10th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    with logan and rapada out, this guy should get a look too…

  103. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    I like Nuno!

  104. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    ac1 -

    I think if it happens that Nova is chosen over Phelps for #5 it is actually because they can rely on him in different roles and have confidence in him in any of those roles.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised if Hughes doesn’t open the season.

    It’s not a horrible problem to have, 6 viable starters for 5 positions, is it?

  105. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    How are you all keeping track of the game?

  106. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Doreen – If it’s me and I’m really trying for $189 I resign Cano for whatever he wants and let Hughes walk. See how things shake out this year and maybe hope you can convince Kuroda to come back for another season. But Nova’s consistently given us 200 innings, Phelps just looks really comfortable out there I’d like to have him be a lock in 2014, Pineda is said to be in good shape this year and on schedule recovery wise – his contributions would be epic if he can be what he was advertised to be, and maybe take a hope and a prayer out on a guy like Ramirez as a 6th starter.

  107. Tackelberry March 10th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    How did Betances look today.

  108. ac1 March 10th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    It’s not a horrible problem to have, 6 viable starters for 5 positions, is it?
    ___

    Definitely not, but I still think Phelps has earned that #5 spot. Let Nova and Pineda sit in AAA and work until they are needed.

    I am actually excited for the young pitching we have moving forward and I hope they dont trade a single one. Pineda, Nova, Phelps, MannyB and some of these guys we have seen this spring (Nuno, Marshall, Warren, etc…)

  109. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Shame -

    I have an emotional attachment to Phil Hughes, as I think many do. He’s our baby. ;)

    I’d hate to see them let him go…BUT again, it’s something I can’t control, so, I just hope whatever they do works out well.

    I think if they get a good season out of Kuroda this year, they will have lucked out beyond all I could have hoped for and I wouldn’t tempt fate and try for a third year from him.

    One of my concerns is that they won’t be able to keep some players that they might want to keep because they’re going to look around and say, well, who’s here? And is anyone else gonna be here?

  110. ac1 March 10th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Doreen – If it’s me and I’m really trying for $189 I resign Cano for whatever he wants and let Hughes walk. See how things shake out this year and maybe hope you can convince Kuroda to come back for another season. But Nova’s consistently given us 200 innings, Phelps just looks really comfortable out there I’d like to have him be a lock in 2014, Pineda is said to be in good shape this year and on schedule recovery wise – his contributions would be epic if he can be what he was advertised to be, and maybe take a hope and a prayer out on a guy like Ramirez as a 6th starter.
    __

    I resign Cano too and also let Hughes walk.

    I believe we dont even need Kuroda in 2014.

    CC and probably Pettitte, then Pineda/Phelps/Nova and some of these guys who look pretty good this spring and maybe a cheap vet to fill it out. Hughes is good but not worth the money he will command.

  111. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    ac1 -

    Phelps has earned it, I agree. But we’ve seen that that isn’t always the way things go. Not just with the Yankees, either.

  112. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    they need to resign Cano, or they can’t pretend to be a legitimate contending team. (Which doesn’t mean they wouldn’t contend, just that they wouldn’t be the same team that all these players have wanted to play for in recent years). It comes down to, if they let Cano go, let Granderson go, and whoever else, who are they left with and who would want to join them? (I’m not saying they have to keep both Cano and Granderson, just if they let both go.)

  113. CountryClub March 10th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Nova has pitched well so far this spring too and I have to believe he was the favorite coming in.

  114. ac1 March 10th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    No I agree Cano has to stay.
    I hope this drop this whole 189M thing.
    Normally I would be all for better spending but with Alex always hurt, Tex is now missing time for the 2nd straight year, and other injuries we will sustain, currently with grandy, alex, tex and hughes, that is over 70M on the DL (if hughes cant start the season). Some teams payrolls are less than 70M. With CC over 20M, Jeter at 17, Cano, etc, there is no way to field a full team under 175M which is where they need to be to cover alex’s 6M bonus and other bonuses, trades etc.

  115. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Doreen.. There were several thaings that went wrong that November eveining at The Bob in game 7. Mariano’s poor throw to Jetes on the sac bunt, only to be followed by another sac bunt that Mo pounced upon and that Scotty B for some reason didn’t turn the two but rather was content with just the force at 3rd. Fact is the Yanks just couldn’t overtake the D-Backs that Series. Once Pettite got shelled in Game 6 things looked bleak because it reality Arizona held the lead in all but maybe 4-5 innings. It wasn’t meant to be as they had a tough time that October with Oakland. It was 2003 that still rankles me vs. The Marlins. I lost a ton on that series

  116. ac1 March 10th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    did Musty just look like Charlie Hayes on his world series winning catch in 1996?

  117. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    ac – I love Andy to death but if I’m spending that kinda cash, I’m doing it on the guy that’s 2 years younger and is more likely to stay healthy.

    I dunno what Kuroda’s plans are though.. he’s said he wants to pitch in Japan. Andy might end up retiring. Could be moot on both sides.

  118. tomingeorgia March 10th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    ac1,
    Looked like him to me!

  119. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Pat M -

    Oh, 2003!!!

    Well, I rationalize that one because they beat the toughest team in baseball (after themselves) to even get to the World Series. That Championship series against the Red Sox was a classic! One of the best I’ve ever watched, at least the most memorable. The World Series was an afterthought – I literally l don’t remember a single pitch from that WS. Nothing about it. And I have to wonder if the team wasn’t totally drained after that Red Sox series.

    It should have been an easy win….

    In 2001, the Yankees had so many “midnight moments” I thought it was ordained they would win the Series. I think that’s what made it so particularly disappointing.

  120. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Tehehehehehe..

    @jonmorosi

    Canadian fans clearly outnumbering American fans in Phoenix today. Good on my friends from Canada. Embarrassing for US.

  121. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Doreen…..I was just walking back to my seat when Boonie went yard vs Wake. I thought the Stadium was coming down

  122. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Derek Holland on the mound for Team USA is disgraceful. Theres not a better american pitcher out there than Derek Holland? ( I know the real reason is that mlb teams dont care about the WBC )

  123. Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    And lol joe torre sitting giancarlo stanton for SHANE VICTORINO

  124. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Seems like yesterday, Pat.

    Those were magical games, and even though they didn’t win that WS, the way they battled and battled was such a lift to the entire City.

  125. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Jerkface March 10th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    And lol joe torre sitting giancarlo stanton for SHANE VICTORINO

    STFU…How did I miss that..?

  126. Doreen March 10th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Jerkface, until the WBC changes so that American citizens don’t play for the team of their heritage, and until they hold the games at such a time as it doesn’t compromise American players, especially the pitchers, it’ll be nothing more than a passing fancy for the American baseball fan.

  127. Pat M. March 10th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Doreen……As I used to do every year I’d book my flights to NYC based around the World Series. The horrific events that September day pushed the Postseason back so I saw The Yanks take out The Mariners and missed Games 3-4-5 of the WS. I’ll always remember coming out of the tunnel on the 4 train and looking out the door window and seeing marksmen with rifles perched behind the bleacher facade from end to end. The new America was suddenly realized that moment

  128. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    I would hold the so called classic in July every 4 years with the season taking a break for a couple of weeks with no excuses for not showing up Ryan Dempster. At least in hockey its understood that you go. I caught a great interview with Jeremy Roenick and his passion for those events poured through the wires.

  129. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Bunting..?! Is this real life?

  130. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Happ understandably isn’t ” Happy ” Keith Richards about not being in my rotation at the moment, but his show of class warms the heart.

  131. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Shame, I know, why would you play for one run at that point?

  132. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Trout, Verlander, Halliday, where art tho?

  133. Shame Spencer March 10th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    No clue.. with this line up and 0 out you should be swinging the bats.

    :arrow:

  134. jmills March 10th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    The WBC is big in the far East. If I was American I’d be bothered that the best wasn’t there. It used to really peeve me off watching the Russians in the hockey olympics. Canada’s professionals weren’t allowed to play but the best of the Russians did, a team made up of 90 percent of the Red Army that played year round together. Of course,…….the Russians had no professionals :D One thing is certain, their lousy refs weren’t professional and I can almost forgive Bobby Clarke for his overall bad behaviour.

  135. randy l. March 10th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    “Someone said they want them to fail the other day. Even said it would be humorous.
    Only a massive ego would say this. But being the one who is right is the ultimate for some.”

    mick-

    that was me. “they” was for hal and cashman.

    the yankees win by “them” failing fast.

    i want to see hal and cashman fail fast and get it over with.

    the sooner they run out their plan on the field the sooner we see a new beginning .

    i do not want to see fans enable hal and support a losing team when he is simply not trying.

    so yeah, right now everything that goes wrong as a by product of hal’s ill fated plan is ls kind of funny.

    i will say in my defense if everyone saw though cashman and yankee ownership way back the way i did with bernie and posada, hal would have never have had the baseballs to run out this 189 plan.

    he would have had no money. i believe in voting with my cash. hal isn’t getting any until he caves and abandons his plan.

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