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Monday morning notes: Hughes takes step forward in bullpen

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 11, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After a 26-pitch bullpen this morning, Phil Hughes will face hitters on Thursday and could be in a simulated game a few days after that. Hughes said that pitching coach Larry Rothschild has a set of targets in mind — milestones that Hughes needs to reach on schedule — that could have Hughes ready to break camp with the team.

“He told me the other day that he’s got some dates in mind that I have to either be in a game or something like that,” Hughes said. “He would know better than I would, but I don’t think it’s out of the question.”

After throwing a light, 10-pitch bullpen last week, Hughes progressed to a bullpen that included breaking balls. Hughes said his slider was “terrible,” but there’s also time to get that fixed.

“Today was a big step,” Hughes said. “The other day I was just feeling my way through those 10. Today I felt like I was throwing a normal bullpen. I wasn’t thinking about my back. I was letting it go and got through that without any issues. For me, it’s a big positive. I just need to make sure I don’t have any setbacks going forward.”

• Interesting note from David Waldstein who reports the Yankees have approached Derrek Lee about coming out of retirement to fill the first-base opening. Lee hasn’t played in the big leagues since 2011. Waldstein reports that no deal is in place, but Lee is apparently interested. So far, Juan Rivera has played well this spring, but he might fit best as a right-handed reserve outfielder. Another experienced first base candidate, Dan Johnson, has struggled at the plate and in the field.

• Michael Pineda is scheduled to throw a full 35-pitch bullpen tomorrow. He will include sliders for the first time since his shoulder surgery.

• Infielders Gil Velazquez and Walter Ibarra are back with the Yankees after playing for Mexico in the World Baseball Classic. Velazquez said the fight with Canada was as bad as it looked on TV. Said it was the worst brawl he’s ever been a part of. Although he said he never threw a punch or got punched — said he simply tried to get people off one another – Velazquez clearly felt embarrassed to have been a part of it.

• Dave Robertson is scheduled to pitch in today’s game. It will be his first appearance since being scratched last week with a stiff shoulder that had trouble getting loose. He’s downplayed the situation as a simply matter of sleeping funny.

• David Aardsma also threw a bullpen today. He reported no issues. Nik Turley and Jose Ramirez also had sides.

• Boone Logan is scheduled to throw a bullpen tomorrow.

Today’s second string: C J.R. Murphy, 1B Luke Murton, 2B none, SS Addison Maruszak, 3B Jose Pirela, LF Matt Diaz, CF Ramon Flores, RF Zoilo Almonte, DH Travis Hafner

Today’s scheduled relievers: Shawn Kelley, Cody Eppley, Joba Chamberlain, Dave Robertson, Dellin Betances, Francisco Rondon

• Tomorrow’s travel squad
Pitchers: Preston Claiborne, Brett Marshall, Ivan Nova, Branden Pinder, Josh Spence, Matt Tracy, Chase Whitley
Catchers: Francisco Cervelli, Austin Romine, Bobby Wilson
Infielders: Travis Hafner, Walter Ibarra, Dan Johnson, Corban Joseph, Addison Maruszak, Luke Murton, Jayson Nix, Eduardo Nunez, Jose Pirela, Gil Velazquez
Outfielders: Zoilo Almonte, Ramon Flores, Slade Heathcott, Melky Mesa, Ronnier Mustelier, Thomas Neal, Juan Rivera

• Yes, Mustelier is still listed among the outfielders for the travel roster. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll play in the outfield tomorrow, but that’s where he’s listed.

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196 Responses to “Monday morning notes: Hughes takes step forward in bullpen”

  1. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Is it just me or does Phil Hughes seem injury-prone ?

    His career has often been derailed by them.

    Maybe that’s one of the reasons the Yankees have not tried to extend him ?

  2. 4TrainNorth March 11th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    I love it–now trying to entice players out of retirement. That Cashman’s got so many tricks up his sleeve!

  3. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Pineda is making progress but I hope they are methodical and careful w. him.

    I hope he has a result much like Anibal Sanchez.

    That’s his best case scenario. Let’s not even talk about the worst case.

  4. Chip March 11th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    MTU -

    It’s not you and it’s one reason why, no matter how he pitches this year, I let him walk as a FA.

  5. Yankee Trader March 11th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Randy-

    The Yankees have too many potential holes to fill if they lose all their free agents-
    Kuroda, Pettitte, Hughes, Logan, Chamberlain, Aardsma and hitters, Cano, Granderson, Youkilis, Hafner, and retiring Rivera.

    Then they either extend or let Gardner and Robertson test free agency the following year, and Ichiro is gone.

    Too many holes to fill with expensive established players.

    Growing pains with rookies might have to be the norm, even if they break the bank and extend/resign Cano and add another pitcher thru free agency, that puts them over the 189M [closer to 177M in AAV salaries to account for player benefits].

  6. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Yeah. That’s a neat one.

    Just go get Lee out of retirement.

    Why not Franco or Berroa ?

    They’d be cheaper.

    :)

  7. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Get Chipper for 3rd.

    :)

  8. blake March 11th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    @fangraphs: FanGraphs: FanGraphs Top 100 Prospects http://t.co/qNPpkRnoi3

  9. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Time to walk the pupperazzi.

  10. jacksquat March 11th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Why not see if Mattingly would like to give up that crappy managing gig in LA?

  11. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Can’t G.I. Joe still Catch ?

    Player/Manager.

    :)

  12. Yankee Trader March 11th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Feel free to post why the Yankees should keep Phil Hughes.

    For his career Hughes has a 4.39 ERA. The AL average during his career is 4.22.

    For his career Hughes has a 1.29 WHIP. The AL average during his career is 1.36.

    For his career Hughes has a 7.58 K/9. The AL average during his career is 6.89.

    For his career Hughes has allowed 8.74 hits per nine. The AL average during his career is 9.05.

    For his career Hughes has a 2.64 K/BB. The AL average during his career is 2.13.

    For his career Hughes has a 0.75 GB/FB. There isn’t a single team in the AL with a mark lower than 1.04 since 2007.

    From:

    http://baseballguys.com/2012/1.....-hughes-2/

  13. jacksquat March 11th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    blake March 11th, 2013 at 9:34 am
    @fangraphs: FanGraphs: FanGraphs Top 100 Prospects http://t.co/qNPpkRnoi3

    No Tyler Austin at all. Interesting. :)

  14. Tackelberry March 11th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    MTU’s jokes are as bad as the ones on RAB

  15. 4TrainNorth March 11th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    I’ve always been into giving Hughes time to fully develop, but these injuries are concerning. And even more concerning: that early-spring “dead arm” that so much was made of. Young horses like Hughes should be immune to that sort of thing. Definitely something soft about him that no time in the weight room or on P90X is going to change.

  16. RadioKev March 11th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Yankee Trader,

    I look at Phil Hughes’ three month stretch in the summer when he pitched to a 3.20 ERA. He didn’t have a good May or September, but for a significant chunk of the season he was a quality starter.

    I think he can be more consistent this year.

  17. Yankee Trader March 11th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Blake-

    Do you agree with this assessment Mike Olt?

    47. Mike Olt, 3B/1B, Texas: Olt has some desirable skills but he might be a little over-hyped. I want to like him more than I do but I’ve gone away underwhelmed each time I’ve seen him hit. I see a player with above-average defensive skills at third base but average to slightly-above-average skills at the plate.

  18. NYYROC March 11th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    YT, based upon the stats you posted, you are saying that in most of them PH is better than league average. Nothing wrong with that.

  19. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    “I favor a 3-pronged strategy for success: Strategic acquisition of FA, trades, and Farm development.

    If those pieces are brought together well you get the Dynasty all over again.”

    mtu-

    as you know hal has wiped out the one third of the equation that the yankees have a strategic advantage, the free agent signings.

    no sabathia and no teixeira and no 2009.

    hal is a problem. he is going to have to have his plan fail on the field before he abandons it.
    of course at no time will he take the blame when it fails. he’ll blame injuries. like the red sox ownership did when they imploded.

    teixeria and granderson work out for him. it’s a built in excuse.

  20. RadioKev March 11th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Seems to me that this “injury” is pretty insignificant, and people are looking for a reason to get on Hughes’ back again :)

  21. blake March 11th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Trader,

    Pretty much….I haven’t seen him play a ton but I do think he’s been over hyped a little probably because Texas seemed to push him in like every trade this winter……I think they kept trying to make him out to be an equal with Profar and he’s just not….he’s a lot older and there seems to be concerns on how much contact he will make in the big leagues…..not a star player but should be a good regular and good defender at 3B……which is why Id like to have him.

  22. Tackelberry March 11th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Don’t know how you can say just let Hughes walk next year when theres a good chance Pettite and Kuroda won’t be back next year, and we don’t know how Pineda is going to bounce back from shoulder surgery

  23. blake March 11th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Yea I have a hard time with not putting Austin on a top 100 list if you’ve seen him hit…..

    I think the placements of Mason, Sanchez, and Heathcott are appropriate and agree that if Slade stays healthy he could zoom up the charts

  24. blake March 11th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    “Don’t know how you can say just let Hughes walk next year when theres a good chance Pettite and Kuroda won’t be back next year, and we don’t know how Pineda is going to bounce back from shoulder surgery”

    I don’t know how he will fit into the budget plans…, I hope they keep him but he may price himself out of what they will pay

  25. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    “Feel free to post why the Yankees should keep Phil Hughes.”

    because he survived being fully developed by cashman.

    name one other starter who’s done that.

    no matter him much cashman rushed him, jerked him around in different roles, and beat him up in general he just kept coming back.

    pretty good pitcher. one more good year this year and he cashes in big time,

  26. Yankee Trader March 11th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Kev-

    I hope so. 46% career fly ball rate and all those homers allowed last season.

    I always wondered, especially last year, that Hughes main problem is himself. Too slow or stubborn, or both, to realize that certain pitches don’t work for him, and reluctant to throw those that Martin was requesting.

    Is it between his ears? Maybe that is why you see Rothschild scratching his head, when talking to Hughes in the above photo. :)

  27. blake March 11th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    @NYDNHarper: Yanks on Mustelier, perhaps the surprise of spring training: “This kid can hit.” http://t.co/uhKnmTZW4t

  28. ac1 March 11th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    I’m really excited about Mustelier….
    The most stories I read about him, the more I like.
    I really hope the Yankees give him a fair chance at 3rd, then maybe the 4th OF when Tex gets back.

  29. jacksquat March 11th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Tackelberry March 11th, 2013 at 9:51 am
    Don’t know how you can say just let Hughes walk next year when theres a good chance Pettite and Kuroda won’t be back next year, and we don’t know how Pineda is going to bounce back from shoulder surgery

    Why not? He has been a league average pitcher and will be a free agent like any other, aside from familiarity.

  30. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Cuba out!

  31. Chip March 11th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    MTU March 11th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Get Chipper for 3rd.
    —————–

    I’m a little busy at the moment, but if they make it worth my while sure…

  32. Yankee Trader March 11th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Let’s say Phil Hughes is healthy all year, the fly ball rate stays at around 46%, and he gives up a lot of homers, and doesn’t get the run support he got, which I believe was 2nd best, to Sabathia, from the Yankees.

    Why would he want to resign with the Yankees, and not look at teams that can generate runs and have a pitcher friendly ballpark? Remember righties hit >.300 against him last year.

    I would rather keep Phelps and Nova rather than Hughes, IF a potential trade for a bat became available during the season.

  33. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I hope Taveras plays today

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    :)

    Morning all! I trust that everyone made it home safely last night!

    Here’s the updated Prediction Chart. A few people threw out numbers yesterday but I wasn’t sure if they wanted to be added. Anyone you know the rules. Change up to first pitch of first game.

    PREDICTIONS FOR 2013

    Tomingeorgia – 94
    Blake – 89
    Shame Spencer – 92
    Trisha – 97
    Tackleberry – 91
    Munson – 93
    4 NYY – 89
    Austinmac – 88
    RMS -91
    Joeman – 90
    Bruceb – 86
    Nilsson – 94
    Yankee21 – 89
    Ghostwriter – 93
    Felix Unger – 84
    Cashmoney – 87
    Vineyard Yankee – 86
    Luis – 89

    **********

    I’m proud to say I’ve been a Robby hugger since he came up. I don’t ever want to see him anywhere but in pinstripes.

    ************

    Doreen – great, reasonable thoughts, as always. I absolutely agree with the sanctify-deify nutiness. For the record, I wasn’t deifying Posada but pointing out things he did that troubled me as a fan. I know Chip was doing the same. Both of us more than realize all the great things he did.

    **************

    MTU – As one of the most reasonable posters on this forum, you especially will be able to understand this concept. If someone does not believe an action showed disrespect and someone else feels differently, both perspectives should be respected, not one shoved down the throat of the other because one party feels her or his position is “the correct one”. We shouldn’t be forced to be Stepford fans just to placate the loudest voice(s). At least that’s the way I feel, and I will continue to act accordingly.

  35. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I think it’s too early to say if they will keep Hughes now that they haven’t done an extension…..a lot depends on the year he has….how the rest of the young pitchers do….an how strict the budget winds up being.

  36. Chip March 11th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Tackelberry March 11th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Don’t know how you can say just let Hughes walk next year when theres a good chance Pettite and Kuroda won’t be back next year, and we don’t know how Pineda is going to bounce back from shoulder surgery
    —————

    Because signing an injury-prone 27 year old to a multi year, big money contract is a bad idea given what the market dictated for such pitchers (Ed Jackson, Anibal Sanchez) this past off season.

  37. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Cuba out!

    —————-

    Wait.. Cuba lost to the Netherlands?!

  38. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Yup

  39. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    blake -

    I would love for Mustelier to make the team. But I am gratified that the Yankees are taking a serious look. A very outspoken serious look.

  40. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Doreen says:
    March 11, 2013 at 10:07 am
    blake -

    I would love for Mustelier to make the team. But I am gratified that the Yankees are taking a serious look. A very outspoken serious look.

    Yea in agree….he’s kinda made it hard for them to ignore especially if he can play passable defense at 3B

  41. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I think it’s too early to say if they will keep Hughes now that they haven’t done an extension…..a lot depends on the year he has….how the rest of the young pitchers do….an how strict the budget winds up being.

    —————-

    Agreed.

  42. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Also, without knowing either one’s intentions, the FO might consider it more worth while to try and persuade Kuroda or Andy to take another one year deal instead of signing Hughes.

  43. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Yea in agree….he’s kinda made it hard for them to ignore especially if he can play passable defense at 3B

    ———————

    Man.. poor David Adams.

    But yay Musty!!

  44. Yankee Trader March 11th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    7-6 Netherlands over Cuba.

  45. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    @YESNetwork: Report: Yankees pursuing Derrek Lee http://t.co/8mLdvLLxNZ

    Wut?

  46. ac1 March 11th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    UGH. Derrek Lee? Why am i not surprised?

    That would essentially eliminate Mustelier from 3rd base contention.

  47. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Good news on Huuuughes, and to hear that Pineda is starting to throw sliders.

    I am not a fan of fangraphs prospect evaluations generally. And Sanchez at #42 is too low.

    Derrek Lee; Just say no!

  48. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    I’m not going to overreact on the Derrek Lee story. It could be an “insurance policy” if things don’t work out. And perhaps they spoke to Lee before Mustelier started to really make an impression. In fairness, it was only about a week ago that they put him at third and he did so well (especially compared to everyone else they tried who made third base look like the lost planet) that made them consider him as a viable alternative.

    Hey, plus it must mean Dan Johnson is out of the picture altogether.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    randy, as crazy as this is going to sound, I am beginning to appreciate your contributions to this forum and I think I’m beginning to understand you better. (Better late than never, right?) They say the real mark of an individual is how he or she handles adversity. As strongly as you fee about the way the Yankees handle/don’t handle business, and as strongly as you feel about the Yankee tradition and are hating what the current ownership seems to be doing, you manage to keep your wits about you in the process. I really respect that. We all come from different places in life and our experiences color how we view things, so we don’t all come up with the same answer. Since that’s definitional in life, it has to be okay. But you don’t let things consume you. You bounce back and you still maintain hope. And you try to see your way out of the forest instead of just throwing up your hands and seeing defeat around every corner. I see that as nothing but good because we all know that life is mutable. Hope is our best friend.

    That’s totally sincere.

    *******************

    I am going to make a concerted effort not to get down on or criticize posters who lose it during game threads or who show frustration, etc. We all have different ways of processing things. But we’re all fans.

    *****************

    Today’s posts are brought to you by introspection and my trying to be more expansive and understanding in my views toward others. I’m going to do my best to practice respect while realizing that I may not always get it in return. But the only thing I can be in charge of is my own behavior. If people chose to be intolerant in return, that’s on them, not on me.

    Feel free to remind me of my words if I go off course.

    :)

  50. FiretheUMPIRE March 11th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Yeah why trade for Headley and move Youkilis to 1B when you can easily keep Youkilis at 3B and coax Derrek Lee out of a retirement slumber?

  51. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    @AndrewMarchand: Al Roker is warming up with the Yankees. He is wearing No. 98.

    I guess Lee said no

  52. Mike Ri March 11th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Derek Lee ….. yuck

  53. Yankee Trader March 11th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Finally able to get boxscore of the 7-6 Netherlands over Cuba:

    http://scores.espn.go.com/extr.....=330311118

    Braves Simmons with 3 RBIs

  54. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    All jokes aside….Derek lee was cooked 2 years ago and didnt even play in 2012…..why?

  55. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Doreen, would it were so… The insurance policy unfortunately often ends up being the “A” plan. Therein lies the problem. As I have said over and over again, choose talent over experience. That to me is a “win now” (and later attitude) that I can support.

  56. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Derrek Lee…?!

    Please no. Then I’ll have to constantly say stuff along the lines of ‘NOBODY PUTS MUSTY IN A CORNER!!!’ and you guys will hate me.

  57. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    The Yanks should try to trade for Olt

  58. Tackelberry March 11th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Because signing an injury-prone 27 year old to a multi year, big money contract is a bad idea given what the market dictated for such pitchers (Ed Jackson, Anibal Sanchez) this past off season.

    ______________________________________

    SO then you’re looking at a potential rotation next year of CC, Phelps, Nova, Maybe Pineda(assuming he’s ok) and then??????????

  59. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    “Please no. Then I’ll have to constantly say stuff along the lines of ‘NOBODY PUTS MUSTY IN A CORNER!!!’ and you guys will hate me.”

    Lol….

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    About Derrek Lee, if it’s true, we can’t have it all ways. People criticize management for not doing anything but then if it appears they are doing something, people get upset because it’s not what they want them to do. I have no opinion on Lee one way or the other. But at least they’re paying attention to what’s happening.

    Whatever they do, someoone’s going to end up unhappy. If you’re someone who wants the kids to have a chance, maybe you’re unhappy with them looking outside (if they are). If you’re someone who wants them to look outside, maybe you’re unhappy because of who they’re looking at. It goes to show there’s no answer that’s going to please everybody!

    Whatever happens, we all hope it works out.

  61. Tackelberry March 11th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 11th, 2013 at 10:21 am
    Yeah why trade for Headley and move Youkilis to 1B when you can easily keep Youkilis at 3B and coax Derrek Lee out of a retirement slumber?

    ______________________________

    Umm, because Headley will cost a ton? Not only in prospects but money needed to resign him?

  62. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Al Roker sharting himself at the White House may have been the best story of 2012.

  63. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Trish, look outside for something viable. This is not just about youth vs. vet; it is about the current quality of the player. Something you have failed to address in your post. Therefore, speak to that point.

  64. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    “Please no. Then I’ll have to constantly say stuff along the lines of ‘NOBODY PUTS MUSTY IN A CORNER!!!’ and you guys will hate me.”

    Lol….

    ————–

    Cause seriously.. no one will put Musty in the corner. Not the corner INF, not the corner OF… baseball needs more corners!!

  65. Yankee Trader March 11th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Blake-

    “Play Musty For Me.”

    Starring Clint Eastwood, Jessica Walter and in his first starring role- Ronnier Mustelier. :)

  66. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    The Yanks should try to trade for Olt

    —————-

    I really think at this point a straight up swap of Nova for Olt would do it. Olt’s value has been slipping a lot. He’s not a power bat that you typically see at 3B but I think we have enough hairy monsters and what not so for us he might be a great fit at a good price. No selling the farm like you might need to do for Headley or Gordon (who is still on my radar, btw).

  67. Tackelberry March 11th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Musty being able to handle 3rd is the best possible scenario right now. Padres say they are ‘listening’ to offers for Headley. Thats a far cry from saying they are ready to trade him. Right now they’d have to be blown away to trade him and can’t see Yanks emptying the farm for someone who may be a bit overrated

  68. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Memoriesss… at the corners of my mind… Musty water colored memoriessssss of the way we were….

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    All jokes aside….Derek lee was cooked 2 years ago and didnt even play in 2012…..why?
    ///

    Because there’s no substitute for “veteran experience.” The more ancient you are, the more you have! Get with the program.

    Seriously, if this means Mustelier gets shoved aside, then there is no hope for this FO.

    They have two guys theoretically from their own system who can alleviate/backup 3B in Mustelier and David Adams, and I can’t see why one of them couldn’t play some 1B, if Youkilis has another health issue.

    Hell, Tyler Austin played 1B the only time I saw him live; he made a nice athletic play there on a short hop and would be fine, if they decided to go that way.

    I just wish Alex had a horizon line for coming back.

  70. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    ” I wasn’t deifying Posada but pointing out things he did that troubled me as a fan. I know Chip was doing the same. Both of us more than realize all the great things he did.”

    trisha-

    nice spin, but you got exposed last night for the posada basher you always were.

    “But unlike some others, I don’t hang on tooth and nail to what a player has meant if he’s starting to lose it. Posada was starting to lose it and his defense was starting to be a problem in the process. He had “issues” with several of the pitchers and his stubborness caused problems because of it. He insisted on calling games in a certain way, even if the pitchers didn’t have the particular pitch going that day. This isn’t heresay. It was all over the press and it was noticed by Yankee fans here too. And at least one of the pitchers acknowledged it to the press the next season. I don’t care for bullies. I believe Posada bullied some of the pitchers.
    I don’t think any player is bigger than the team. If a player’s play begins to hurt the team, then it’s time for them to get less playing time. Period “- trisha

    i will say it again, as i did last night, that you know so little of yankee history as the bronx bombers that you push a national league style pitching wins/ defense first/weak offense philosophy that simply is not the new york yankees, the bronx bombers.

    that said, i think you just being honest and airing it it out last night made for good healthy discussion. it separated the wheat form the chaff as g love said last night after it was all over.
    you’re not the only one who’s trying to get away from the bronx bombers dna that the yankees always had at their core when they have won championships.

    your approach is a marginalized approach that is not the real yankees, the historical yankees.
    you don’t pin point a year and say when you started following the yankees . i guess it was in the mid in the mid eighties. this may explain why you know so little about what the yankees are all about.you really need to go back and read about the team from the time of ruth and gehrig through to 1996 to understand what this team really is.

    your version is a bizarro version that does not work and is not the real yankees. unfortunately your view is in alignment with hal’s, and he has the same problem you do. you’re both new on the scene and don’t know yankee history.

    but keep those honest thoughts coming though. they are good for clearing the air. it is good to know that you don’t think of the yankees as the bronx bombers.it did drive conversation last night.

    it is a clear divide in thinking and explains a lot.

    … and oh yeah, the yankees need all the “bullies” like posada that they can get :)

  71. Yankee Trader March 11th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Have to go.

    Hopefully Mustelier goes North with the team and gets significant playing time either as the 3rd baseman or as the corner outfielder. He has nothing more to prove at AAA.

    Have a great day everyone. YES is covering game today vs Cardinals at 1:05.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    I really think at this point a straight up swap of Nova for Olt would do it.
    ///

    Wow. I’d never do this. Nova for a 3B prospect? No way.

  73. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Trisha-

    I try to respect all POV’s.

    I think you know that.

    :)

  74. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    austinmac, as per Ramirez; the relegation to the bullpen is what I have been arguing against for two years, once that narrative from Yankeeland popped up. Now with the slider evolving, I believe the Yankees have reevaluated Ramirez back to being in the SP mix. They surely wouldn’t waste that arm in a long term RP scenario.

  75. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “Hell, Tyler Austin played 1B the only time I saw him live; he made a nice athletic play there on a short hop and would be fine, if they decided to go that way.”

    I honestly think Austin could hold his own offensively in the big leagues right now…..

  76. Mike Ri March 11th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Hopefully Mustelier goes North with the team and gets significant playing time either as the 3rd baseman or as the corner outfielder. He has nothing more to prove at AAA.

    —-
    great point Trader….. . .He’s 28 …bring him up and see what we have .

  77. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “I really think at this point a straight up swap of Nova for Olt would do it”

    Makes some sense for both teams….6 years of Olt for 4 of Nova……

  78. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Mustic Pizza.. staring Julia Roberts, Annabeth Gish, and Lili Taylor as three teenage girls that come of age while working at a pizza parlor owned by Ronnier Mustelier.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    MTU – I absolutely know that. You are always a safe harbor in stormy waters.

    :)

  80. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Randy-

    Yup. At least for now.

    Can’t keep a three-legged stool upright with a leg missing.

    ;)

  81. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    “Wow. I’d never do this. Nova for a 3B prospect? No way.”

    I think Olt will be a solid regular…..and he’s controlled….Id probably do this. However you’re really banking on good health and that Pineda will contribute in the 2nd half.

    I just think the Yanks have enough pitching depth to make a deal like that…..Phelps, Marshall, Pineda all could be rotation options and they have more coming

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    “Trish, look outside for something viable. This is not just about youth vs. vet; it is about the current quality of the player. Something you have failed to address in your post. Therefore, speak to that point.”

    Okay. I hadn’t looked into Lee, which is why I said I had no opinion one way or the other. Yours is a point well taken.

  83. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Trisha-

    And I always admire your heart and courage so we’re even.

    ;)

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    … and oh yeah, the yankees need all the “bullies” like posada that they can get :)
    ///

    Posada’s also a prankster and a guy that sings latino songs in the clubhouse and jokes around like crazy with Derek and Rivera and Pettitte.

    But the sting in him is definitely there, and it’s the kind of sting that teammates fear, because they know if they don’t bring it, he’ll get in their face.

    In that clubhouse, you had to “deal” with Posada, Jeter, Pettitte and Rivera (and Tino, according to Posada, who said: “When Tino comes back (the second time), things will be right.”), and when the last of these toughlove warriors (who lead in different and equally important ways) is gone, we’ve got a problem in terms of both talent and leadership.

    I’m with you; we need to grow those “bullies” into the next generation of players.

  85. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “… and oh yeah, the yankees need all the “bullies” like posada that they can get ”

    What?

  86. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    yankeefeminista,

    If they end up bringing Lee in, I will have to do a lot of rethinking.

    Because I’d have to ask, what in heaven’s name does their own prospect have to do these days to get the nod over a veteran?

    All veterans are not created equal, and I could get behind some moves. But calling a guy out of retirement rather than going with someone who is right under their noses, and doing at least well enough, I think, is something I would question.

    If they bring Mustelier up and he can’t get it done, well, then, you do something else. Maybe, just maybe that is what they’re up to with Lee.

    I do try to see all sides of it. But I think that unless from this point on Mustelier tanks, they’d be foolish not to give him the job.

  87. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I am against trading any starting pitching. The back two are too tenuous. And I am against dealing Hughes (I wanted to extend him). However, if they aren’t going to re-sign him; then trading him would make the most sense IF they could get enough back. Doubtful, considering he is in his walk year. As for Nova, he is the guy everyone wants to trade, but he also potentially has the most upside in that arm. I want to keep all my pitchers right now.

  88. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Doreen-

    They do not have to give him the job.

    I think he’s earned the job and taken the spot.

    But I think that’s probably what you meant.

    ;)

  89. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I do think the Yankees are afraid of the WCS, which would be neither Tex nor Alex being able to get back this season.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    I think Olt will be a solid regular…..and he’s controlled….Id probably do this. However you’re really banking on good health and that Pineda will contribute in the 2nd half.
    ///

    I have a higher regard for Nova than you may. He still can throw hard, has breaking pitches that can be wipeout offerings, and when he’s sinking the ball and getting groundouts, he’s very tough. He’s also young and under control.

    If you were talking about a SS with a high upside I’d have maybe a different take.

  91. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    YF-

    Motherly love.

    :)

    Hope the ankle is good.

  92. pat March 11th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Joelsherman1
    Lee played for #Yankees special asst Jim Hendry, who gave high grades, but no indication yet that signing will take place

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    As for Nova, he is the guy everyone wants to trade, but he also potentially has the most upside in that arm. I want to keep all my pitchers right now.
    ///

    Agree. We’ve seen a tale of two Novas, so we know that the Good Nova is in there. I’d be loath to trade that away, especially for a CIF.

  94. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    I’m not trading Ivan the Great for Olt either.

    Especially since we now have the Must Man.

    :)

  95. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    MTU -

    Unfortunately, no. It is still up to the Yankees to give him the job. He can have done everything in his power to show that he should have the job, but it is not his final say.

    So far, he is the leading candidate for that position, bar none. It makes life easier for the Yankees to give it to him, doesn’t it? Youkilis slots in nicely at 1st. They can still figure out a way to keep Rivera who can give Youk a rest at first. They’ve got backup outfielders for the backups and there is still a way to get Mesa in there, too, isn’t there?

    When Grandy comes back, Mesa goes back down unless situations change.

    If Tex comes back, they’ll deal with it then – things sort themselves out over time in that regard.

    Same when Alex comes back.

    But having Derrek Lee on speed dial just in case everything goes wrong, that’s okay. Just not as the first choice.

    I do think this says that Johnson is out of the picture altogether. And Diaz.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Randy – okay. But because I have strong opinions about the way Posada conducted business at times (the way I saw it) does not mean that I didn’t realize the great things he brought to the Yankees. That’s fact.

    I understand and respect why those who are so intricately tied into the history of the Yankees may feel the way they do. It isn’t that I don’t know the history of the Yankees. Of course I do. I don’t know it as well as others, but I do know it. But I guess I haven’t become immersed in it to the extent that the absence of the Bronx Bombers has any great effect on me. Why pitching and defense is so much more important to me I can’t explain. But it is. That may explain why I don’t get out of sorts when hitting isn’t emphasized, and it may also explain why the absence of Bronx Bombers isn’t a problem for me.

    Anyway, we all hope for the same thing. For the Yankees to excel.

  97. Cashmoney March 11th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I would not trade Nova for Olt, 1. I don’t think Olt’s talent warrants Nova’s potential 2. I just he will be needed when NYY let Hughes walk at the end of 13. I like what I seen of Mustelier whose bat probably is not much below what Olt can contribute on the immediate horizon.

  98. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    pat-

    So that’s the connection !

    I preferred what Towers had to offer.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “Hell, Tyler Austin played 1B the only time I saw him live; he made a nice athletic play there on a short hop and would be fine, if they decided to go that way.”

    I honestly think Austin could hold his own offensively in the big leagues right now…..
    ///

    He does appear awfully heady/mature, and he’s also physically grown, unlike some of these guys who you’d like to see develop some more. But we know they just don’t do this sort of thing.

  100. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “I try to respect all POV’s.”

    mtu-

    you forgot to add, ” no matter how wrong some of them can be”. :)

    but seriously, the blog breaks down into some very clear divisions.

    one of them is a team built around the traditional offensive yankee catcher.

    hal, cashman, girardi , and our very own trisha are among the school of thought that the yankees are no longer the bronx bombers and all they want is defense out of a catcher.

    sorry , that’s just plain not good enough. the yankees are the bronx bombers and that’s why trading montero set off such a firestorm.

    i’d like to see the yankees scoring 900 runs in a season with a good hitting catcher part of the mix. once that’s accomplished, go for it with all the pitching and defense that can be thrown in there. be the bronx bombers .

  101. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “As for Nova, he is the guy everyone wants to trade, but he also potentially has the most upside in that arm. I want to keep all my pitchers right now.”

    Not everyone wants to trade him….I just would straight up for Olt…..I don’t see his upside where some do…..I like him but would rather have a cost controlled 3b which they badly need

  102. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Doreen-

    Of course that’s true but I think you are taking me too literally.

    What I meant was that Ronnier has played well enough that IMO he has earned the shot.

    He’s forced the issue. The Yankees might just have no other choice.

    ;)

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    J Al – every day is a new day. As far as I’m concerned last night’s slate is wiped clean in terms of any (perceived or real) interpersonal animosity.

    :)

  104. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    900 runs a season, while only giving up 600 or less.

    Balance. I like Balance.

    ;)

  105. Cashmoney March 11th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    realistically, I think Yanks will bring North Mustelier, Rivera, Nix, Nunez and probably Mesa whose bat I think needs more tooling in AAA.

  106. blake March 11th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    @BillShaikin: #Dodgers sending Greinke to LA today so Dr Neal ElAttrache can examine sore elbow.

    Uh oh

  107. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Trish, I love pitching and D. In fact, my minor league game attendance is driven mostly by who is pitching that day, and I love nothing more than a 1-0 game, and great D, but offense is mighty important. We traditionally have had a circular lineup, and Yankee Stadium is a hitter’s park. Further, to dumb down your offense especially at premium positions in which you have been traditionally strong is shooting yourself in the foot. Why?

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    randy, heck last season there was a firestorm because the Yankees were considered to be homerun happy, and lots of posters were calling for small ball!

  109. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Cashmoney, I wonder if more MiLB tooling will ever help Mesa hit breaking balls. The Kid can pulverize FB’s and bring it on D, so here’s hoping, but…

  110. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    MTU -

    We agree Mustelier has earned a shot at the job and is forcing the issue.

    But the Yankees often seem to look to have as many choices as possible (see Derrek Lee).

    :(

  111. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Trish, no, no one was anti-homer of the regulars; it was more about calling for more contact/hitting for average, less K’s and more bat speed, not “small ball” necessarily, just smart and non-one-dimensional ball. The anti-HR narrative was mere spin.

  112. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Randy-

    I am not a fan of the D-first, or D-only C either.

    It has been a strategy of the Yankees for quite some time to have a signifcant advantage over other teams by not settling for mediocre offense from up-the-middle positions.

    It has been enormously succesful as far as I can tell. So I hope they don’t abandon it.

    If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. It’s stood the test of time.

    But yeah, I still respect the opposing view. Actually, I even welcome it. Provides for a lively debate.

    Only thing I like to see is politeness. It helps IMO.

    :)

  113. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Doreen, I am all for (good) choices. ;)

  114. Chip March 11th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Giving D-Lee a minor league deal wouldn’t mean anything. He’s been out of baseball for over a year so the odds are that he wouldn’t be ready to contribute right away assuming he was able to contribute at all.

  115. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Mustelier is still not on the 40-man, apparently.

  116. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Doreen-

    I hope this time youth wins out.

    :)

  117. Cashmoney March 11th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    YF, I think he needs more ABs in AAA to find out if he ever can… the plus is consistent playing time and inferior pitching as oppose to MLB stage. Can he ever learn? I don’t know but it is probably a better environment to learn than being destroy by off speed offerings on a ML level.

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Randy – okay. But because I have strong opinions about the way Posada conducted business at times (the way I saw it) does not mean that I didn’t realize the great things he brought to the Yankees. That’s fact.

    I understand and respect why those who are so intricately tied into the history of the Yankees may feel the way they do.
    ///

    It isn’t about merely being “tied into the history.”

    It’s about understanding the direct impact that “history” had on winning.

    To conclude that Cervelli was a better option than Jorge Posada in 2009 contradicts any claim you could possibly have to understanding the “great things” Posada brought to the Yankees.

    No one who understands this would have suggested the New York Yankees should replace Posada with Cervelli.

    The Yankees do not win the World Series in 2009 without Jorge Posada behind the plate. Even when Girardi had Molina/AJ in there, they were lucky Posada’s pinch hitting provided key offense.

    Merely saying you understand what he brought, and yet defending the idea that Cervelli playing over him was a legitimate option that would have been no sweat, well, those are just words that have no meaning.

  119. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    ” But I guess I haven’t become immersed in it to the extent that the absence of the Bronx Bombers has any great effect on me. Why pitching and defense is so much more important to me I can’t explain. But it is.”

    trisha-

    so there it is, your position succinctly put.

    we don’t have to debate this at this time with work and other things to do, but it’s the dividing line between positions that are being taken. it explains montero/ pineda and even explains why cashman went with mientkiewiz%$# and his three headed monster at first base that left no room for a bernie who could still OPS .900 against eft handed pitching.

    this divide has been growing for a long time. you have hal on your side so you’ll get your way for a while. it’s a good thing for you that you’ll root for the yankees’ laundry even when they suck because your and hal’s views are what will soon bring them to that point.

  120. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    But apparently none of the options are on the 40-man right now, so no one has an edge in that regard. Am I correct?

  121. pkyankfan69 March 11th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    I will be home by game-time, the game is on YES, Heathcott, Murphy, Flores, and Betances all playing, and I got a large order already this morning…. I have a nice reverse case of the Mondays!

  122. RadioKev March 11th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    I think we all want Mustelier to win the job, but the actually involves… winning the job. If he can handle the field, then why not? But he’s got to prove that first.

  123. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Maybe Hal was the one at fangraphs (hasn’t Cash and Co. been buddying up to fangraphs lately), who ranked Sanchez at #42 on the list. #pitchframingcostsless! :mrgreen:

  124. smartchoices March 11th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Glad to see Robertson and Logan are getting back. Although if Logan goes down I’d like to see Nuno get a chance.

    I hope Phil Hughes has a great year, but truth be told I wouldn’t spend anymore on him. The back problems are looking chronic – 2011, 2012 (during the ALCS) and now – and just off the top of my head.

  125. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    pkyankfan69 March 11th, 2013 at 11:05 am
    I will be home by game-time, the game is on YES, Heathcott, Murphy, Flores, and Betances all playing, and I got a large order already this morning…. I have a nice reverse case of the Mondays!
    _____
    pkyanks, yes! Today’s lineup makes me actually want to again watch a ST game, an anomaly this year once most of the kids got sent down. Looking forward to it!

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    YF, I hear what you’re saying. Things have definitely gone awry. I think of the AL owner’s comments that I read yesterday, talking about waiting to make trades to see if certain players are going to hit and believing that there is definitely going to be a downward trend in offense due to stronger PEDs testing. Are we seeing that with our own team?

    Of course a lot of this is driven by my overall personality. And I readily and continually admit that I am not typical as a fan, period. I don’t like to see games where one team slaughters the other. I’m not crazy about slugfests. I pefer the tight, low-scoring games. Would I like a lineup that can get hits? Absolutely. But I don’t need to see power at every position. I’m always looking for strong D. I want to see speed and cannon arms in the outfield. If that outfielder has power, that’s great. But if not, let him have speed and the ability to get on base (like Gardner). But I’m always willing to sacrifice power for defense. It may not be the best way, or the traditional way, or the popular way. But it’s my personal preference.

  127. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    j.alpru-

    i think we should let trisha off the hook today .
    she doesn’t know enough yankee history to even know she’s getting trounced.

    the real problem we have is hal has a similar view.

    we are lucky to have trisha here to explain it so well.

    it clears up a lot of things.

  128. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I disagree that there are sides and factions here to that extent Randy. I think you’d find, if pressed, that people are more fluid.

    It shouldn’t be a battleground.

  129. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    DavidWaldstein Cashman also said Lee is a Yankee type of player.
    ________
    SMH

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    J Al – every day is a new day. As far as I’m concerned last night’s slate is wiped clean in terms of any (perceived or real) interpersonal animosity.

    :)
    ///

    Trisha, I have no animosity toward you. I think it’s counter productive to get into that again; I did tell you that if I held onto anything, it wouldn’t have been possible to have a dialogue with you.

    I don’t want us to get into all that. I am speaking only to what you’re saying from a baseball perspective. I’m sure you mean well generally. We’ve had some nice interactions at times, and I don’t see why we can’t have those from time to time; I enjoy your stories about having pot in your car, feeding your squirrels cake, your take on public cases (such as the Penn State horror show). The baseball stuff isn’t personal, although I do feel you have at times attacked Posada, and I have said so. It’s again, another type of discourse, not fully appreciating the plus offense catcher thing.

  131. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    yankeefeminista says:
    March 11, 2013 at 11:11 am
    DavidWaldstein Cashman also said Lee is a Yankee type of player.

    He didnt play in 2012 because nobody would pay him what he wanted so he took his ball and went home…..that kind of player?

  132. RadioKev March 11th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Hey look, Derrek Lee is only 37 :)

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    j.alpru-

    i think we should let trisha off the hook today .
    she doesn’t know enough yankee history to even know she’s getting trounced.
    ///

    I’m seriously not trouncing her. I am fond of trisha in my way, I really am. But to say you understand a Hall of Fame caliber player’s value and still think he should have been replaced in 2009 does not add up.

    I cannot let that pass. :)

  134. mick March 11th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Perhaps, they are tweeking Musty with this Lee talk.
    Like rook, please, don’t slip, keep up the intensity.
    Rivera seems to have won the BU 1B job as he has hit a ton.
    Maybe they don’t like his glove down there and want more work from him at 1st?

  135. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Trish, I like both. I used to marvel at the Rays OF D whenever they came into the Stadium in the late 2000′s. I could watch Crawford and BJ all day; this was before we got hip to OF D. So, I love my D and am obsessed with pitching But I want bat speed; doesn’t even have to be power everywhere, just give me bat speed and good AB’s. We don’t even work the count well anymore. Too many K’s. K’s and me don’t agree, and too many K’s by our O in the playoffs make me a very unhappy camper. So, it is not solely about power but also about intelligent AB’s, hitting for average, and bat speed.

  136. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    RadioKev March 11th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Hey look, Derrek Lee is only 37 :)
    ///

    He’s a spring chicken in Yankee years. Maybe the FO is just trying to be funny, tweak a few fans. For Cashman’s comments sometimes read like parodies of what he’s rightly accused of – letting the Yankees get old.

  137. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    @Joelsherman1: Cashman said if Chipper Jones wanted to come out of retirement said call the #Yankees GM

    Chipper!

  138. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    blake, dumpster diving type of signing? Cash’s thang. Gets his blood going like nothing else. Sigh.

  139. ac1 March 11th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    A yankee type of player?
    40 and retired?

  140. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    @Joelsherman1: Chipper has said he is definitely retired but Cashman said he would be perfect at 1b 3b and DH #Yankees

    Chipper!

  141. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    @Joelsherman1: Cashman said couldn’t find number for Chipper’s agt so to go ahead and put out on Twitter #Yankees

  142. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    J Al, I preferred Cervelli when it looked liked Jorge’s defense behind the dish had diminished. I didn’t want his bat out of the lineup. Simple as that. And yes, I always realized what Posada brought to the organization. When Bernie was losing it in center, I felt it was time for him to go. Damon’s defense made me cringe. When I see defense suffer, I want changes made. And it doesn’t matter to me who the player is.

    randy, don’t get too carried away with me not knowing the history stuff. I apparently know enough to know the legacy of Babe Ruth, the Iron Horse, Mantle, Maris, Joe D, etc. Because I don’t buy into it as absolute necessity for the future doesn’t mean I’m not aware of it.

    And I don’t feel like I’m getting trounced. Do what you have to do.

  143. Cashmoney March 11th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    If you don’t think Yanks are thin on upper level legit offensive talent, look no further than Mustelier. I wish Adams were healthy to give us another viable options.

  144. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 11:11 am
    I disagree that there are sides and factions here to that extent Randy. I think you’d find, if pressed, that people are more fluid.

    It shouldn’t be a battleground.
    _____
    It shouldn’t and it would be nice if this were true. However, certain posters don’t just take in the content of what is being posted. They are too invested in a history with certain posters. Therefore, rather than speak to the post, they come to that post with a preconceived notion regarding both the content and the poster. Bad for the blog; bad for those who prefer to talk baseball without the personal stuff that some won’t let go.

  145. MTU March 11th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    YF/Trisha-

    As you know I am a Pitching first guy but not to the total detriment of O.

    You can have a lights out staff but if you do not score enough runs you become a Seattle.

    OTOH, you can become a SF. Great Pitching w. enough O.

    There’s a balance in their somewhere.

    Since I’m greedy I’ll take a ton of both.

    I like slaughtering my opponents. Not just beating them. I’d like the Ynakees to be like a Monster Truck rolling over a passenger car.

    I’m a Viking at heart.

    :)

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    J Al – with us it’s all good, even when it may not appear to be. So that’s that.

    :)

  147. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Chipper is one old guy Id want…..he can still hit

  148. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Cashmon, Adams might not be hairy enough for Cash. Not enough pop and he doesn’t K enough. Cash’s viewpoint, perhaps. But the kind of advanced bat we could use.

  149. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    @JackCurryYES: Cashman stressed he was serious about his interest in Chipper Jones. Said he had plans to call Chipper’s agent.

  150. Bronx Jeers March 11th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Sounds like someone broke into Cashman’s condo last night and stole his dignity.

    Get a grip dude.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    trisha,

    I agree :)

  152. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “So, it is not solely about power but also about intelligent AB’s, hitting for average, and bat speed.”

    yankeefeminista-

    yes, power is not alone what necessarily what makes a classic yankee hitting team. berra and dimaggio had all that power and made contact most of the time with few strikeouts. they could situational hit.
    mantle could run with the wind and play good defense. no one to this day can drag bunt like he could.

  153. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Maybe the FO is just trying to be funny, tweak a few fans. For Cashman’s comments sometimes read like parodies of what he’s rightly accused of – letting the Yankees get old.
    ______
    Too bad he is serious. :(

  154. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:24 am
    @JackCurryYES: Cashman stressed he was serious about his interest in Chipper Jones. Said he had plans to call Chipper’s agent.
    ___
    Blake, you can have a new raison d’etre. Chipper on the radar! :)

  155. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Trish, you ever have the chocolate mousse cake from Pastiche (Federal Hill)? Yum. :)

  156. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Chipper won’t come back….but I wish would ….he cn still rake

  157. Chip March 11th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Mustelier is still not on the 40-man, apparently.
    ———————-

    Correct. You don’t add players to the 40 until the end of spring training.

  158. GregD March 11th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    MTU March 11th, 2013 at 8:04 am
    Good morning Greg.

    The more prospects w ability that we have the more likely it is that one or more of them make it to the majors and contribute.

    The crop is about ready to come in and w luck the harvest can begin.

    —————————————————

    I hope so!!!

  159. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    randy, yep. That is what I want. Power, contact, and less strikeouts. The other way is lazy baseball and shows a lack of insight/developmental/draft ability. Get with the program, Yanks.

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    At least Chipper can provide a lefty hitting side… :)

    Chipper, though, just breaks down so much. And I doubt he’s coming back after last season’s farewell tour. He’s a Brave: why does he want to put on the pinstripes? Can’t see it.

  161. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    “J Al – with us it’s all good, even when it may not appear to be. So that’s that.”

    i agree with that too.

    i am however glad we have an out in the open clear division of philosophies.

    it really does explain a lot when you get down to it.

    it also explains why cashman really has to go. even if hal continues owning the team, he need s a gm to stand up to him and tell him to butt out of what goes on the field.

    the bronx bombers will not return under cashman. think mientkiewicz. that’s cashman’s kind of player. or ken griffey or dave collins. there’s history there, bad history.

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    “But I want bat speed; doesn’t even have to be power everywhere, just give me bat speed and good AB’s.We don’t even work the count well anymore. Too many K’s. K’s and me don’t agree, and too many K’s by our O in the playoffs make me a very unhappy camper. So, it is not solely about power but also about intelligent AB’s, hitting for average, and bat speed.”

    YF – absolutely on the money. That I could go for every day of the week. I really liked the circular lineup (even if we had a bit of a weaker spot) when it was just about getting on base. I used to love watching “the bases loaded with Yankees”. It got kind of tiresome to me when it became all about hitting it out of the park. That’s why I love small ball. As much as I detest some of the things he did, Torre did have his team playing small ball, even when he had power hitters. They bunted to get on, they ran the bases, they sacrificed each other in. Truth be told, things only turned around when George went ballistic after the 2001 WS and decided the Yankees needed to concentrate on offense/power, and he went after Giambi. Then it seemed the push was on for hitting. Before that it was the pitching show. We had pitching that didn’t quit, and that was our key to success, with Mendoza as the middle man and then Stanton/Nelson to Mo. That’s what I loved watching.

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Guys like Cano and Montero are sticks that HRs “happen” off of. They don’t go up there looking to jack the ball out of the park, but because of the swing path, the quickness and the effortless power, they hit HRs.

    That is entirely different than someone like left-handed hitting Mark Teixeira, or Granderson at his worst.

  164. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    @DanBarbarisi: Cashman says hes had conversation with Scott Rolen

  165. pat March 11th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Lee, Chipper, Rolen. Has Cash given Brosius a call too?

  166. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    George Brett might be available

  167. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    “That is what I want. Power, contact, and less strikeouts. The other way is lazy baseball and shows a lack of insight/developmental/draft ability. Get with the program, Yanks.”

    yankeefeminista-

    it’s not like dimaggio, mantle, and berra or even thurman couldn’t run or play defense.
    no one is saying forget those things. ford and guidry and other pitchers threw some really good pitching in the mix too.

    it’s what you decide to emphasize. if the yankees want the 10 th player on the field with them, the loud roaring, passionate fans at yankee stadium, they need to start with really good hitters who are built for yankee stadium.

    add all the other good stuff, but first make people jump to their feet when the ball is hit.

  168. bruceb March 11th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    I’m very fond of Trisha too – especially as she sent me some delicious chocolate that my wife devoured in the space of a week – but 97 wins? That truly is the definition of optimism. Good for you, girl.

  169. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “Trish, you ever have the chocolate mousse cake from Pastiche (Federal Hill)? Yum. :)

    OMG, the one with all the chocolate curls on it? We used to sometimes just go out and buy it and bring it back to the office “just because”. It’s been my birthday cake some years, also. :) My mother always used to bake us our favorite cakes for our birthday. She had this humongous cake pan she always used to use. Mine was always chocolate cake with mocha frosting and walnuts on the top. (yum yum yum!) We try to carry on the tradition at birthday times, so we go out and get the cake that comes closest to what my mother used to make. My family decided on Pastiche’s chocolate mousse cake for me. I sure didn’t complain!

  170. pat March 11th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    um….

    hoynsie: #Indians filming version of Harlem Shake. Tito dressed as baby, Giambia: green body suit

  171. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “It got kind of tiresome to me when it became all about hitting it out of the park. ”

    But that is the point when we are talking hitting bad pitches like we did last September; that is the kind of offense Cashman has constructed of late. That is why while some have been giddy about the bats and offense, I am saying no, this offense won’t cut it because in the regular season I am paying attention to the kind of pitches they are hitting. They weren’t having very good AB’s but were hitting mistake pitches, mostly not the kind of pitching you are going to see in the playoffs. The latter takes a different kind of bat and at bat. Gratuitous offense bores me. I want to see intelligence in AB’s. Cash needs to improve the O, but hasn’t understand why the O hasn’t been good enough.

  172. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    “I’m very fond of Trisha too – especially as she sent me some delicious chocolate that my wife devoured in the space of a week – but 97 wins? That truly is the definition of optimism. Good for you, girl”

    bruceb – well I have to admit that I went with 97 before Grandy and Tex went down. But I am too stubborn and optimistic to back down, so I’m staying with 97! (Shows you the confidence I have in our pitching, ha ha).

    :)

  173. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    *understood

  174. Doreen March 11th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Why is Cashman fighting using guys from his own system???

    Unless they know something we don’t know about ARod and/or Tex’s injury, any of those people wold have to work to get themselves in shape for a short-lived part-time job. Why would they do it? They’d also have to pay them to make it worth their while, I would think, and I thought money was an issue???

    Cashman is beginning to bug even me! LOL

  175. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Trish, you have good taste! ;) I used to hit up Pastiche a couple of times a week when I lived up there.

  176. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    it’s what you decide to emphasize. if the yankees want the 10 th player on the field with them, the loud roaring, passionate fans at yankee stadium, they need to start with really good hitters who are built for yankee stadium.

    add all the other good stuff, but first make people jump to their feet when the ball is hit.
    ____
    Montero did that in 2011, going oppo. Man, batting practice was fun, and the crowd arrived early just to watch him take BP.

  177. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 11th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    As an aside, and for anyone who has an out-of-control sweet tooth like mine. If you’re trying to get it under control, try the combination of moringa, caralluma fimbriata, and l-carnitine. Can’t be sure if it’s one in particular or the combination, but all 3 are good for you.

    I gave up sweets for Lent. I do it most years and eventually it goes the way of New Year’s resolutions, sad to admit. I no longer crave sweets. At all. I’m about to write to the Guinness Book of Records!

    Have a great day, all. It was a pleasure to start my day off this way, with all of you.

    :)

  178. blake March 11th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Montero will hit much better this year

  179. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    trish, I barely eat sweets these days. But it is a pleasant memory. :) Have a great day, yourself!

  180. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    blake, QFT! He vastly improved second half, and the new dimensions won’t hurt. Sigh.

  181. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    ‘Telling, isn’t it, that Yogi said: “you don’t hit with your face.” He didn’t say, “you don’t frame pitches with your face” ‘ j.al pru

    i thought that was a classic line last night by j.al pru

    yogi was called all kinds of names because he did not look like a star ballplayer. he was called ape, monkey,neanderthal, caveman,etc

    this was yogi’s quote:

    “So I’m Ugly. So What? I Never Saw Anyone Hit with His Face”

    yogi didn’t say throw with his face, catch with his face, frame with his face, etc.

    he said “HIT”.

    this folks is where to start with yankee players.

    and interesting to note yogi said they had to find 500 at bats for nunez.

    of course cashman immediately made a dismissing reference to what yogi said.

    but who cares?

    what does yogi know about what it takes to be a yankee.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    I used to love watching “the bases loaded with Yankees”. It got kind of tiresome to me when it became all about hitting it out of the park. That’s why I love small ball.
    ///

    trisha, last year’s Yankees were much more about “hitting it out of the park” in terms of approach than the mid to late 90s Yankees.

    The Yankees with Posada, Jeter, Bernie, and Knoblach at 2B were a really dangerous circular lineup.

    We didn’t hit shots all day: that was AFTER we softened up starters with grind-it-out ABs and frustrated matchups – especially with switch hitting from Posada and Bernie – that gave managers pause on when to pull a decent but tiring starter.

    We did it to some extent after the reign, but we really didn’t have the pitching after 2003, and had added in some all or nothing type players. I remember in 2006, being incensed when Melky (who hit .280 that year and was a good contact bat) was left off the postseason roster. We had no pitching whatsoever to compete with Detroit, and I vehemently did not want to face that staff, even though many were overjoyed by the prospect. Well, we were down 3-0, 4-0, right away in games pitched by Wright and Johnson, so the offense wasn’t going to be able to bail us out, not with those kinds of deficits that allowed guys like Verlander to really expand the zone on us. But Torre admitted, without prompting, that he’d made a mistake keeping Cabrera off the postseason roster; the idea, however small the degree of help, was he could help manufacture a run here and there, hit more situationally, instead of us swinging out of our shoes trying to play catchup.

    I also wonder if you’re confusing runaway blowouts with good, contact hitting that can hit seriously good pitching.

    I also abhor blowouts; my mother in law finds them exciting, and is bored by pitching duels. I understand this, because she doesn’t know enough about pitching to appreciate anticipating what a guy’s going to throw in what count and what the hitter will do – that whole drama is too subtle for her because she’s all about the sights and sounds of the park, the players she’s fond of, and the excitement of seeing the ball rise and leave the park.

    But I don’t think any of us here are talking about pile on home runs against soft middle relievers as “offense.”

    We’re talking about those 90s type of ABs where you just make a good starter bend and bend and bend until he either breaks, or they have to cut his day short and bring in an inferior arm from the bullpen, and then yes – there’s a satisfaction in watching the damn finally burst after all those tense, methodical move-counter-move ABs that build and build and build.

    And yes, the Yankees have the right-field porch that made left-handers like Ruth and Gehrig all the more menacing; but they were hitters for average, too, as was Mantle (just speaking about left-handed side for the moment, and we’ve also had a history of some great opposite field right-handed exploitation of that porch).

    But it’s all about the timely hit that can tilt a pitching duel in your favor, not about saying pitching isn’t extremely important to any team’s success.

  183. ac1 March 11th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Scott Rolen?
    OY VEY

  184. ac1 March 11th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Yankees also plan to give Juan Rivera more of a look at 1B. As for Ronnier Mustelier, Cashman said his bat is giving him a chance.

    ____

    How about that should definitely NOT even be an option….

  185. randy l. March 11th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    “Cashman is beginning to bug even me! ”

    yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

    once we have doreen , we’re on our way :)

  186. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Chipper and Derrek and Rolen? Oh, my!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NecK4MwOfeI

  187. yankeefeminista March 11th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Notice the reference in the clip to wild animals. The equivalent of Cashman’s hairy monsters? Maybe Cash should take a trip to Oz…

  188. ac1 March 11th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    The fact they want a guy that didn’t even play in 2012 vs. a serious look at Mustelier (no matter what they say publicly), shows how they intend to continue to run the team….

  189. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    and interesting to note yogi said they had to find 500 at bats for nunez.

    of course cashman immediately made a dismissing reference to what yogi said.

    but who cares?

    what does yogi know about what it takes to be a yankee.
    ///

    Crap, Randy, I forgot about that.

    Your point that Cashman and the FO needs to include other voices is pretty on the money, and to not value Yogi’s take, or seek it, is just ignoring a great resource.

    Wonder what Gene Michael thinks about that kind of stuff. He’s always down in Trenton. I remember him saying something like being a GM is “a young man’s game.” Something like that. What kind of actual input does he have, I wonder, other than Cashman pretending to be like him.

  190. Shame Spencer March 11th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    …Chipper Jones?!

    Oh sweet lord.. this is why so many of us were climbing the walls this winter.

  191. RadioKev March 11th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    So will Mariano Rivera want to be a Brave next year?

  192. blake March 11th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Chipper had a .377 OBP last year….they should be trying to get him as he’s a perfect fit….however I think there is no chance he comes back

  193. RadioKev March 11th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    It’s one thing to privately ask Chipper’s agent if he’d like to come out of retirement to play for the Yankees. It’s another thing to publicly float it to reporters. It’s just stupid.

  194. BIG AL March 11th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    trisha -

    Put me down for 92 wins.

  195. Against All Odds March 11th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    I know I’m late but G Love wrote a great post last night. He touched on many things. The fans that have a gripe with Cashman weren’t always against him. They believed in what he said and felt he was going in the right direction but as G Love pointed out since 09 Brian has lost his way.

    Rolen, Lee, and Chipper lol smh. I can’t wait to hear Francesa today. He was getting bothered with the idea of playing Nunie at third and I’m sure he will feel the same about Musty but those 3 guys will send him off the deep end.

  196. J. Alfred Prufrock March 11th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Odds, that was a great post by GLove.

    I saw it this a.m.

    And yes, many of us thought Cashman was going to really leverage the Yankees’ great advantage of not just spending on FA, but primarily, in my case, of using the farm to fill in while the great veterans we have were still very viable, and transitioning the team rather seamlessly.

    Yankeefem said this to me and I think it perfectly and succinctly states the heart of Cashman’s failure:

    She said: He didn’t know how to move an aging team forward.

    That’s it: and with the resources he had, and the gift of players like Jeter, Alex, Posada in place, he could have judiciously added to Cano with Montero, etc. and we’d have a very vibrant, diverse lineup to go with our excellent pitching.

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