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Nova: “I’m not even family, and (Rivera) cares about me”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 12, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

On the day news broke of Mariano Rivera’s plan to retire at the end of this season, Ivan Nova stood in the visiting clubhouse in Jupiter and talked all about the way Rivera has never let him get complacent. With Nova back on the mound today, it seemed a good time to revisit the subject.

“He’s Mariano Rivera,” Nova said. “If he doesn’t want to do it, he doesn’t do it. I’ve got to feel special that he came to me and talked to me every day, trying to help me with anything that he thinks I can do better.”

Specifically, Nova said, it was in 2011 that Rivera approached him with some tough love, not letting Nova get comfortable even during that strong second half.

“He said, ‘You’re going to get sent down,’” Nova said. “That means you’re not doing everything necessary to stay. So you’ve got to keep doing more than what you’re doing. That means a lot from him. I’m not even family, and he cares about me. When he told me that, I couldn’t even look into his eyes. … Once he tells you you’re going to get sent down, it means, wake up. I’m still thinking (about that), and I try to do my best because of me and my team, and second because I don’t want Mo behind me, telling me you’re not doing this.”

Noav said Rivera has stayed on him this spring, still pushing to make sure Nova doesn’t get comfortable or take it for granted. Rivera said he learned — back when he was a kid himself — that veteran players can make a lasting impact.

“Steve Howe was good to me,” Rivera said. “Steve Howe was real good to me. Always was there, making sure I was doing the right things and motivating me always to do what is right and to go with everything that you have. I will never forget that, and that was ’95. Now we are 2013 and I’m trying to do it for the others.”

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788 Responses to “Nova: “I’m not even family, and (Rivera) cares about me””

  1. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    I want Giancarlo

  2. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    What will we ever do without Mo.

  3. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    March 12, 2013 at 9:18 pm
    What will we ever do without Mo.

    I hope he will coach at some point…..he has so much to offer young players

  4. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    If we were gonna trade Montero then it shoulda been for Gio

  5. RadioKev March 12th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Yeah Blake, but the Pineda/Montero deal is nothing like the Gio deal. Gio cost way more than Pineda.

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    He seems warm to the idea.

  7. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    RadioKev says:
    March 12, 2013 at 9:31 pm
    Yeah Blake, but the Pineda/Montero deal is nothing like the Gio deal. Gio cost way more than Pineda.

    Doesn’t matter….Montero would have been the best player in te deal for Gio too…..Gio cost more but he was better and more established too. It’s with hindsight knowledge that you can say it….but I pushed for trading for him 2 years ago……

  8. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    That is of course unless Beane didn’t like Montero …..which I have no idea….but my guess is te walk issues scared the yanks with Gio….even though he was still putting up sub 4 Eras and still developing as a pitcher…..

  9. Chad Jennings March 12th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    What a day to barely have an internet connection. Just got back to my hotel in Tampa and realized what’s been going on for the past few hours. A few things…

    1. Jerkface accused a baseball team of playing dirty. He phrased it in a way that — in a different context — would have been horribly offensive. Poor choice of words maybe, but I don’t find it remotely racist. And whether you agree or disagree with Jerkface’s opinion, I don’t recall anything he’s said in that past to make me think he meant his post as anything but a comment on a baseball team’s style of play.

    2. Trisha’s use of a remarkably offensive word was — by her own admission in an immediate email to me — a bad decision, but it was clearly not used in a hateful way. I wish she hadn’t used the word. In fact, I wouldn’t have liked it even if she used some version with *s instead of letters. There’s no need for that word in a forum like this, but I hope we’re all mature enough to read things and put them in context. It may be a bad idea to use that word in a public forum in any context, but let’s all be grown up enough to read the entirety of a post and recognize what it is and what it isn’t.

    3. A while back, we lost our entire list of filtered words. The whole thing vanished while we were making some upgrades. I then had to come up with a new list of words. Let’s just say, I’m very glad my mother wasn’t watching me type on my computer that day. I’m pretty sure she still thinks I’ve never heard some of the words I came up with. Obviously there were others that I missed, including one that — in hindsight — is a pretty obvious one. I just checked the list again, and sure enough, it wasn’t there. It is now.

    4. Someone wrote that I filtered out comments about the soda ban (or something like that). I assure you, I did not. I try to be as hands off as possible in the comments, and I certainly didn’t block anyone’s thoughts on availability of giant Mountain Dews.

    5. As I’ve said many, many times — I read the comments far more often I post in the comments. I know that some people wish I said more or took a more active role, but I’m more comfortable keeping some distance and letting everyone else steer the discussion. I don’t need or want people to agree with me, I don’t try to thrust my opinions into the forum, and it’s my belief that conversations will work more smoothly if they’re as unfiltered as possible. There are obvious things that have to be guarded against, and I try to handle those things. Today’s situation doesn’t strike me as anything more than words taken out of context.

  10. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    I think that has to be Chads longest comment ever :)

  11. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Go D Wright

  12. RadioKev March 12th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    I think it’s totally hindsight with Gio. Gio could have easily busted, those walk numbers were pretty high. The Nats took a shot, and good for them it’s working out.

    I think we got a much more even money trade, and we have a nice kicker in Campos. That said, yeah, hindsight you would want Gio.

  13. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Wright is a beast….

  14. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    “I think it’s totally hindsight with Gio. Gio could have easily busted, those walk numbers were pretty high. The Nats took a shot, and good for them it’s working out.”

    I said the same things I’m saying now at the time though…..he misses bats and has maybe the best LH breaking ball in baseball….actually I said he was a better walk rate away from being a CY young contender and that he was youn enough to grow in that area……he has.

    I wouldn’t have traded montero at all….but Gio woukd have been a better target than Pineda because he was left handed and had more track record

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    “I don’t need or want people to agree with me, I don’t try to thrust my opinions into the forum, and it’s my belief that conversations will work more smoothly if they’re as unfiltered as possible. There are obvious things that have to be guarded against, and I try to handle those things.”

    Chad, thanks for weighing in. I appreciate your approach here.

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Montero: 1.059 OPS

  17. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    Wish D wright hadnt signed with the stupid mets and had moved across town

  18. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    March 12, 2013 at 9:52 pm
    Montero: 1.059 OPS

    He’s gonna hit better this year and probably surprise some folks that gave up on him

  19. RadioKev March 12th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    OK, fine Blake, you’re right :P

  20. blake March 12th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Who will pitch vs the DR? Dickey? Dickey could be a good match for them if he’s on….could use their aggressiveness against them….of course if its not knuckling like the other night then it’ll be bad

  21. Pat M. March 12th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Very cool Chad ……J Pruf, are you or were you a NYC boy ???

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Yeah, not us :(

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Born in NYC, grew up in NJ suburbs, moved back to city after college, then moved back to burbs.

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    No Yanks on that USA Team. Go Dominicans.

  25. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Jorge

  26. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    March 12, 2013 at 9:59 pm
    No Yanks on that USA Team. Go Dominicans.

    Wut? Aside from cheering for my country I want the DR to lose ASAP so Cano can get out of there and back to camp….he could have got hurt yesterday

  27. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Phillips is just nasty at 2B

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    No, I want Cano to rake :)

    He doesn’t get enough respect, even among Yankee fans. I daresay, especially among Yankee fans.

  29. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Cano will start better for the Yanks if he plays in real games. He’ll be all warmed up, which will sustain him during that Bronx April cold weather.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Yeah that dude is the second best 2B in baseball.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    We need someone for Cano to play with.

  32. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    yankeefeminista says:
    March 12, 2013 at 10:03 pm
    Cano will start better for the Yanks if he plays in real games. He’ll be all warmed up, which will sustain him during that Bronx April cold weather.

    If he doesn’t get hurt which he could…..I like that he’s hot right now but it’s a long season and he plays like 160 games a year…..Id like them to lose so he can get back and get ready to hit like that in April

  33. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Stanton

  34. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Yeah, well, Girardi should give him more rest generally. He was gassed by the playoffs last year. They need a better plan regarding getting him some days off.

  35. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Great comeback win by Pens over B’s, btw.

    What’s happening of note in the WBC game? Just switching over.

  36. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    March 12, 2013 at 10:04 pm
    Yeah that dude is the second best 2B in baseball.

    I think he might be the best defensively….Cano’s arm strength allows him to do things others can’t but pure range Phillips has quite a bit more….he’s made a couple of plays in this tourney that I’m pretty sure Robbie doesn’t get to

  37. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    All the bunting

  38. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Calling people racist is pretty much the lowest form of ad hominem, and it’s cheap way of grabbing the moral high ground with oftentimes manufactured outrage. Frankly, I don’t see why the intentions of strangers on an anonymous forum should matter to anybody.

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    He’s good, I like him. Cano’s the best, though, all things considered.

  40. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    “I don’t need or want people to agree with me, I don’t try to thrust my opinions into the forum, and it’s my belief that conversations will work more smoothly if they’re as unfiltered as possible. There are obvious things that have to be guarded against, and I try to handle those things.”

    Chad, thanks for weighing in. I appreciate your approach here.
    =========

    Ditto. Chad, you do a great job moderating this forum, and I appreciate your measured approach.

  41. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    March 12, 2013 at 10:15 pm
    He’s good, I like him. Cano’s the best, though, all things considered.

    Overall of course cause he’s a much better hitter….I might take Phillips on defense though but it’s splitting hairs….Robbie makes up for his range with his arm many times…..as I’ve said many times he’s the best I’ve ever seen at 2B relays and he saves several runs over the course of a season just with that

  42. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Somebody call biogenesis and get Braun a refill

  43. austinmac March 12th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Chad, you do a remarkably good job. I know it is hard work with long hours. Then, from time to time you get to deal with our mistakes. I appreciate it.

    Good no calls on both posters. I disagree with Trisha on many things, but I don’t believe harm was intended. She said she made a mistake. Don’t we all?

    Jerkface would have meant the same thing if he had said Canadians or Rockies, but I understand sensitivity.

    Let’s get back to calling each other names about baseball.

  44. Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Was Cano really gassed by the playoffs last year? Or is it conventional wisdom in order to explain his lack of hitting in the postseason. It’s the same as the other narrative; Cano going off on an insane hot streak to finish the regular season and carrying momentum into the playoffs.

    Regarding MLB playoffs, John Sterling said it best, you just can’t predict baseball.

  45. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Cano killed the ball in the playoffs in 2010 and 2011….last year was a flukey thing….nobody hit….when Jeter went down the whole team just expired

  46. austinmac March 12th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    If the Yankees make any acquisitions I only ask it be someone whom I might say “He’s pretty good” or “He might help”. My standards seem low but generally unfulfilled. We need offense.

  47. austinmac March 12th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Canon also hit like crazy down the stretch, something like .600 over twelve games. It’s not that easy and the pendulum swings. It always does.

  48. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    ” Frankly, I don’t see why the intentions of strangers on an anonymous forum should matter to anybody.”

    the blog isn’t totally anonymous. there are more emails between people than you might think.
    but if someone wants to be anonymous that’s their choice.

    i think the blog took a step forward today and basically moderated itself . chad’s help later completed the process of getting things back on track.

    back to baseball.

  49. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Was Cano really gassed by the playoffs last year? Or is it conventional wisdom in order to explain his lack of hitting in the postseason. It’s the same as the other narrative; Cano going off on an insane hot streak to finish the regular season and carrying momentum into the playoffs.

    Regarding MLB playoffs, John Sterling said it best, you just can’t predict baseball.
    ==========

    The problem with those kinds of narratives is that they’re generally written ex post to fit a pattern of facts, and determining the usefulness of the narrative is generally impossible. I Girardi had rested Cano prior to his slump during the playoffs, folks would have said that Girardi cooled him off by sitting him.

    Personally, I think that Cano got shut down by some good pitching. C’est la vie.

  50. Pat M. March 12th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    There was a time when DePaul had a solid hoops program. Early mid 80′s I guess. I’m dating myself.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Yea, If we didn’t have Cano, Phillips is the guy you’d want. Cano doesn’t have that crazy type Alomar range, but he does everything else.

    We’ll never see his like, but we do have Gumbs and Feliz in the pipeline, and they’re both going to be toolsy 2B. I hope Feliz is moved to AA, which may happen, because Gumbs it seems may go to Tampa.

  52. Pat M. March 12th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Good call by The Tin Cup !!!

  53. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Gumbs seems to be a guy that could really take off at some point….

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Was Cano really gassed by the playoffs last year? Or is it conventional wisdom in order to explain his lack of hitting in the postseason.
    ////

    He probably was gassed but he also had no protection.

  55. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    ” Frankly, I don’t see why the intentions of strangers on an anonymous forum should matter to anybody.”

    the blog isn’t totally anonymous. there are more emails between people than you might think.
    but if someone wants to be anonymous that’s their choice.

    ======

    That may be so, but there is no need for folks to be judgmental of each other’s intentions on this forum. That really should be a lesson to all of us.

  56. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    I disagree. Cano was hitting bad pitching in September, as was the whole team; he was clearly gassed. You can see these things when you attend games. I identified Alex’s first hip problem and Jeter calf injury months before they were revealed to the fanbase because I saw them a lot both on the field and away from the camera grimacing and flexing. Cano was gassed.

  57. Pat M. March 12th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    When the conversation shifts to great 2nd sackers, Ryne Sandberg gets glossed over …..The guy was seriously good

  58. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Cano killed the ball in the playoffs in 2010 and 2011….last year was a flukey thing….nobody hit….when Jeter went down the whole team just expired
    ——–

    Yeah. When Jeter went down, it was pretty clear that the Yanks were done.

  59. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Many of us aren’t strangers, and see this as a community with some sense of accountability to each other.

  60. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    pat m-

    i found it interesting how mariano said that steve howe took him under his wing. it’s ironic how a baseball bad boy and someone like mariano would have that connection. not many owners would have given howe a chance. george did. and then he impacted a kid who went on to become the best closer of all time.

  61. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    “That may be so, but there is no need for folks to be judgmental of each other’s intentions on this forum. That really should be a lesson to all of us.”

    The judgmentalism is worse than the tangential discussions, IMO.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    I don’t think there was anything wrong with the discussion today. I realize people have anxiety about this kind of stuff, but I guess if enough people want to discuss it, that will happen, and the others will either come back later or join the discussion. It was no more “inappropriate” than anything else here that veers off topic.

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Only saw Gumbs once and he and Cito were slick together. He didn’t do anything at the plate but he impressed with his athleticism. The other kid, Feliz, had me drooling. Too bad he got hurt last season.

  64. Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    To Prufrock and YF, if you get a chance, get a copy of the book: The Drunkard’s Walk. It’s a fast read, but profound. You will find it very illuminating.

  65. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Pat M. says:
    March 12, 2013 at 10:33 pm
    When the conversation shifts to great 2nd sackers, Ryne Sandberg gets glossed over …..The guy was seriously good

    Yea he was

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Nilsson,

    What does it illuminate?

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Pens beat your Bruins, joeman.

  68. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    “You can see these things when you attend games. I identified Alex’s first hip problem and Jeter calf injury months before they were revealed to the fanbase because I saw them a lot both on the field and away from the camera grimacing and flexing. Cano was gassed.”

    yankeefeminista-

    aging players can’t play everyday. their bodies can’t take it. jeter should not play more than 135 games or so. he’d last longer and he’d get less injured if he took the right days off. cano is young but why play 162 games. 162 games is for attendance. it’s not for the best baseball.

    you want players like jeter who want to play everyday, but someone needs to tell them no. it’s actually better for the team for them to sit once a week.

  69. Rich in NJ March 12th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    If the Yankees make any acquisitions I only ask it be someone whom I might say “He’s pretty good” or “He might help”. My standards seem low but generally unfulfilled. We need offense.
    __

    Under 30, better yet under 28, works for me as well.

  70. Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    Prufrock,

    Your biases.

  71. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Nilsson, sorry it isn’t randomness when you are a social scientist doing your field work.

  72. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Didn’t you hear social science like mlb marketing has gone sabermetric?

  73. Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    YF, even social scientists need refreshers.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Nilsson, I took a look. I’m more inclined to non-locality when it comes to physics, don’t go in much for materialism. Your author seems to be more of the latter type.

  75. Pat M. March 12th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Cup….I also noticed Mariano’s comments about Howe…..There’s not one story about him not being a real good teammate. I met him once at our golf club and he came across as a real good guy. Real big upper body and thighs

  76. Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    So I take it you haven’t read it yet?

  77. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Randy, I think the Yankees have finally gotten it with Jeter, but not yet with Cano. Sure Cano is younger, but they should take care not to grind him into the ground. Although with the new wild card format, I guess we will have to grind everyone to death in order to win the division. Like we did in 2005.

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    Prufrock,

    Your biases.
    ////

    Mine? Or “your”?

  79. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Nilsson, have you read Crime and Punishment? Probably a better read.

  80. jacksquat March 12th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Steve Howe motivating Mariano Rivera to “do the right things”… must say that’s one of the last names I would have guessed.

  81. Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Haha, sometimes it feels like you’re a tag team in WWE.

    Anyway, just a recommendation.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    So I take it you haven’t read it yet?
    ///

    I have not. I’m sure you’re going to get around to your point, right?

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    Haha, sometimes it feels like you’re a tag team in WWE.

    Anyway, just a recommendation.
    ///

    Are you addressing me?

  84. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Gumbs is supposed to repeat with Charleston to start, I do believe. He’s got a nice bat. I wonder if they keep him and Cito together. Gumbs likely will move more quickly b/c of Cito’s bat, but we shall see.

  85. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Randy, I think the Yankees have finally gotten it with Jeter, but not yet with Cano. Sure Cano is younger, but they should take care not to grind him into the ground. Although with the new wild card format, I guess we will have to grind everyone to death in order to win the division. Like we did in 2005.
    ============

    There were four days between the end of the season and the playoffs. Unless, he was hurt, that should have been enough time for him to rest and recuperate.

  86. Rich in NJ March 12th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    People smear drug people, like Howe, with impunity. Some are really great people, even if they are deeply troubled and often self-destructive.

  87. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Heard on the radio today that Ryu (japanese lefty the Dodgers have 36 million to) is refusing to throw side sessions and has really disappointed this spring…..and he can’t be optioned to the minors per his contract…..sounds like a disaster

  88. Pat M. March 12th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    jacksquat……Howe as some real personal issues as we know, but he also had some enemies in the Commish Office. George went toe to toe with these guys. Steve Howe had HOF talent. Look at some video of him in 81-82 hes was lights out

  89. Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Prufrock, my point is that you always feel a need to find some pattern or lay blame to events in baseball. When in fact, luck, randomness, and happenstance are likely the reasons for it.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    yankeefem – I heard they might start him in Tampa. That would be a conflict, unless they’re moving one of them off 2B or bringing Feliz to Trenton. Given the injuries, though, he may need to stay down there a bit. Maybe they will start Gumbs at Charleson and then bump them both up a level at the same time.

  91. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    jacksquat March 12th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Steve Howe motivating Mariano Rivera to “do the right things”… must say that’s one of the last names I would have guessed.
    =

    Pretty amazing, I would say. I had forgotten about Howe. People tend to overlook the fact that those teams of the late nineties had a bunch of veterans (HOwe Strawberry, Raines, Fielder, etc.). And those veterans can have a significant impact that most fans don’t see.

  92. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Prufrock, my point is that you always feel a need to find some pattern or lay blame to events in baseball. When in fact, luck, randomness, and happenstance are likely the reasons for it.
    ============

    Well said.

  93. jacksquat March 12th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Pat M. March 12th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
    jacksquat……Howe as some real personal issues as we know, but he also had some enemies in the Commish Office. George went toe to toe with these guys. Steve Howe had HOF talent. Look at some video of him in 81-82 hes was lights out

    Yeah I kind of remember watching him pitch, although I was pretty young. He was good, and George did give him many chances.

    I didn’t say he was a bad guy, just would not have guessed he’d be the one giving advice about discipline to Mariano.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Nilsson March 12th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Prufrock, my point is that you always feel a need to find some pattern or lay blame to events in baseball. When in fact, luck, randomness, and happenstance are likely the reasons for it.
    ///

    Sure, thanks.

  95. Rich in NJ March 12th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    “People tend to overlook the fact that those teams of the late nineties had a bunch of veterans (HOwe Strawberry, Raines, Fielder, etc.). And those veterans can have a significant impact that most fans don’t see.”

    I don’t think so. Veterans had a lot of value then because the homegrown core was so young. That’s what you want. A young core complemented by veterans. Obviously, they don’t have that mix now.

  96. Pat M. March 12th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Rich in NJ…….As we know getting the right core is the challenging part to the puzzle… Getting the veteran players generally is about the dough, the skipper, and that shot at a ring

  97. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    Pruf, I think Gumbs’ll start at Charleston and remain with Cito, while Refsnyder will start at Tampa.

  98. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Rich in NJ March 12th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    “People tend to overlook the fact that those teams of the late nineties had a bunch of veterans (HOwe Strawberry, Raines, Fielder, etc.). And those veterans can have a significant impact that most fans don’t see.”

    I don’t think so. Veterans had a lot of value then because the homegrown core was so young. That’s what you want. A young core complemented by veterans. Obviously, they don’t have that mix now.
    ===============

    You can correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that the current Yankee team has a lot more homegrown young starting pitching than the teams of the nineties (Key, Rogers, Wells, Cone, Gooden, Irabu,…, Petitte.) Jeter and Bernie are the only everyday players that were home grown. Posada wasn’t part of “the core” until after the Yanks had won a couple of WS. Pretty much everybody else was a veteran, as I recall.

  99. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    It is more important to have younger players these days with the added wild card. Hopefully, we can create a reasonably solid core from the farm.

    I heard we are getting Pirela back in Trenton, Pruf. Someone told me that Segedin is going to be switched to 3B, btw.

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Fem, Custodio going to Charleston you think?

  101. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Pretty much everybody else was a veteran that came from outside the Yankee system, as I recall.

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    I heard we are getting Pirela back in Trenton, Pruf. Someone told me that Segedin is going to be switched to 3B, btw.
    ///

    crap

  103. blake March 12th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Mauer is an on base machine

  104. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Pruf, probably depends on Culver. They are overloaded at IF; so, maybe they keep him at Extended until Culver moves up? Also hear Avelino will be stateside. At least we have the two GCL teams now.

  105. blake March 12th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Ball game…,D wright again

  106. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    I have seen enough of his fielding for a lifetime. At least JRam gets a lot of K’s, but Turley bet keep those K rates up. And if he is back in Trenton, poor Mikey O’Brien and Craig Heyer (somewhere GB7 is feeling Heyer’s pain).

  107. Rich in NJ March 12th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    You can correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that the current Yankee team has a lot more homegrown young starting pitching than the teams of the nineties (Key, Rogers, Wells, Cone, Gooden, Irabu,…, Petitte.) Jeter and Bernie are the only everyday players that were home grown. Posada wasn’t part of “the core” until after the Yanks had won a couple of WS. Pretty much everybody else was a veteran, as I recall.
    __

    You said the late ’90s. Posada (since ’98: 409 PA), Jeter, Bernie, Rivera, and Pettitte were the young homegrown core. There is no analogue to that now. They can’t even sniff that.

    btw, You mentioned Howe, which brings in pitchers, not just everyday players.

    If someone would have told me in 2006 when Cashman got more power that this would be the case, I would have called them lost. Yeah, I defended the guy. It turns out I was the one who was lost for defending him.

  108. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    *better keep

  109. Rich in NJ March 12th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    “Rich in NJ…….As we know getting the right core is the challenging part to the puzzle… Getting the veteran players generally is about the dough, the skipper, and that shot at a ring”

    Pat

    Sure, it’s challenging, but unless you show them patience, the challenge has been punted.

  110. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    mattingly was a big part of the new core developing that gave us the championship run.
    a torch was passed on to jeter and mariano somehow. steve howe was part of that surprisingly.

    you can’t tell how the contacts go. clete boyer fixed jeter’s throwing. at one point jeter was pretty bad throwing to first base. boyer helped fix him. showalter was there. showalter can up as a yankee minor leaguer.

    then all those veterans like strawberry, raines, fielder, boggs were added. there was some serious baseball alchemy going on.

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Posada was the starting catcher by 1998.

  112. yankeefeminista March 12th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    Posada was a regular during the second WS.

  113. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    willie randolph was the third base coach in that time. you don’t think he passed on some things to the young players. what howe did with mariano is great. what mariano is doing with nova is just as great.

    one thing that george did back then was create a lot of things going on.he brought in a lot of seeming problem people. strawberry? gooden?

    there was a method to the madness. and george did hire gene michael. so george being banned doesn’t mean he had nothing to do with things either.

  114. Pat M. March 12th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    Cup, I think there’s only like 7 ways of seperation from Jeter to The Babe…..The Babe to Lou to Joe D. to Mantle to Murcer to Munson to Willie to Mattingly to Jeter to ????

  115. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    “You said the late ’90s. Posada (since ’98: 409 PA), Jeter, Bernie, Rivera, and Pettitte were the young homegrown core. There is no analogue to that now. They can’t even sniff that. ”

    The current Yankees team has Hughes, Nova, and Phelps, as well as Joba and Robertson in the ‘pen. The current team does seem to be light on homegrown position players aside from Cano and Gardner. So, the current edition of the Yanks does seem to be light on everyday players.

    “btw, You mentioned Howe, which brings in pitchers, not just everyday players.”

    I mentioned Howe, because that’s how the conversation started.

    “If someone would have told me in 2006 when Cashman got more power that this would be the case, I would have called them lost. Yeah, I defended the guy. It turns out I was the one who was lost for defending him.”

    It seems to me that you are now erring in the opposite direction, being reflexively overcritical of Cashman.

  116. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Posada was the starting catcher by 1998.
    =========

    I had forgotten that, because Girardi caught an awful lot of games in ’98.

  117. Bronx Jeers March 12th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Cano got spiked twice today? Wow.

    Chi ha fatto il male, faccia la penitenza !!!!

  118. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Good night, folks

  119. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Bronx Jeers March 12th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    Cano got spiked twice today? Wow.

    Chi ha fatto il male, faccia la penitenza !!!!
    =======

    What? Is there a new pope?

  120. Rich in NJ March 12th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    “I mentioned Howe, because that’s how the conversation starter”

    I understand, but then it’s reasonable to view the core as including pitchers.

    “It seems to me that you are now erring in the opposite direction, being reflexively overcritical of Cashman.”

    Hardly. He has plenty of defenders, despite his mistakes, to do his bidding.

    But when the GM, only last year, said he had offense to spare, when it was obvious that with no immediate help likely coming from the mL and large parts of the offense aging or declining, that he was mistaken (and not the offense is a mess);

    When he hasn’t made a good trade for a top of the rotation starter in over a decade;

    When he hasn’t developed a top of the rotation starter in over a decade;

    When he hasn’t developed an impact position player since he got more power in 2006 (Cano came up in 2005);

    That he deserves my criticism, and more.

  121. Tar March 12th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    “i think the blog took a step forward today and basically moderated itself . chad’s help later completed the process of getting things back on track.”

    I agree. Just caught up on the days events and think the blog acted just like diverse, opinionated, and mostly tight knit community should. Good job dealing with what could have been a very inflammatory and divisive subject matter.

    Good night all.

  122. Ghostwriter March 12th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Rich in NJ March 12th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    ….

    “It seems to me that you are now erring in the opposite direction, being reflexively overcritical of Cashman.”

    Hardly. He has plenty of defenders, despite his mistakes, to do his bidding.
    ….

    That he deserves my criticism, and more.
    ===========

    Honestly, Rich, you keep repeating the same complaints against him, over and over, night after night. And you’ve just now turned a conversation that had only the barest, remotest connection to Cashman into a conversation about Cashman. It would really be nice to have a conversation that didn’t return to Cashman. If you don’t think that’s overly critical or a bit too much, then I don’t know what else to say. Take the last word; I’m going to bed. Good night.

  123. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    “I think there’s only like 7 ways of seperation from Jeter to The Babe…..The Babe to Lou to Joe D. to Mantle to Murcer to Munson to Willie to Mattingly to Jeter to ????”

    pat m-

    there is something there that transcends ownership. boyer seriously had a lot to do with jeter turning around his fielding. i think that baseball is a unique institution where ownership has to provide the environment for the players to do their thing. but the game is the players.

    maybe even hal can’t screw up the yankees as long as he lets the players pass it on.
    if hal has any sense at all, he’ll keep posada, pettitte, mariano, bernie, and jeter as close to his team as he can, and also a whole lot of other people that no one hears about who get it. there are always it seems quality people from other organizations who come in and help put it together.

    it’s kind of fascinating when you think of all the overlapping player relationships that develop from the minor league to the major leagues and on to championships and how they happen

  124. Pat M. March 13th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    Cup……I still maintain that Cletis Boyer was the greatest gloveman that I’ve ever seen. He could go to the line better than Brooks, could go to the hole better than Nettles and he had as good an arm as any shortsop who I saw. In fact he didn’t have an arm, he had a cannon.. GB always had great Boyer tales

  125. randy l. March 13th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    rich in nj-

    i think you’re right about cashman.
    i don’t know if you can pick up on what i’m talking about to pat m about the kind of networking that goes on with players from different generations and how the torch is passed on, but i think cashman has hit a point where he gets in the way of that.

    he shoots himself in the foot when he makes bernie, posada, jeter, and other players into the bad guys.the snarky comments like when yogi says nunez needs to get 500 at bats somehow and cashman slams that. the cashman/hal combo is making it hard for guys like mo to pass on things to younger yankees. whatever mo has passed on to hughes and joba will be gone after this year.

    even cano may be gone. hopefully not, but why is it even a possibility? so are you being overly down on cashman ? i think the answer is obviously no.

  126. McBain March 13th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    Wait, Steve Howe told Mo to do the right thing?!

  127. Rich in NJ March 13th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Honestly, Rich, you keep repeating the same complaints against him, over and over, night after night. And you’ve just now turned a conversation that had only the barest, remotest connection to Cashman into a conversation about Cashman. It would really be nice to have a conversation that didn’t return to Cashman. If you don’t think that’s overly critical or a bit too much, then I don’t know what else to say. Take the last word; I’m going to bed. Good night.
    __

    Wait. This is absurd.

    You make a point about the role of veterans in the late ’90s.

    I respond to show that your point was illusory. That veterans only served an important role because of the strength of the young core, unlike now when there is no young core.

    You then misstate the degree to which young players comprised the core, and challenge my assertion that the absence of a current young core lies at Cashman’s feet.

    Now you want to criticize me for stating the obvious?

    How can anyone have a meaningful conversation about the makeup of the team without talking about the GM?

    Sorry, to burst your bubble, but the reality is what it is.

  128. randy l. March 13th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    pat m-

    i don’t know how i did it , but one day at explores practice carl taylor and i were throwing in warm ups . clete came by with his glove next to carl and joined now and i was throwing to both. then nettles came up and replaced carl who got called to the bullpen.
    now i’m throwing to nettles and boyer. they’re chatting, and i throw to nettles and it goes to boyer . and then i throw to boyer and it goes to nettles. i was so nervous i couldn’t throw straight. they both thought i was kidding around, but i was just choking like a dog. luckily i got called to the bullpen before i did anything really stupid.

  129. Rich in NJ March 13th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    Randy

    He’s teflon-coated to some fans. I’m not sure why, but it has become comical.

  130. Pat M. March 13th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Cup…..Now that is a dream come true. Only baseball can provide that.

  131. randy l. March 13th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    “Wait, Steve Howe told Mo to do the right thing?!”

    and what about mo not being judgmental and listening to howe and taking in what howe was passing on to him?

    i’d like to hear more about that relationship between howe and mariano.

  132. Rich in NJ March 13th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    “and what about mo not being judgmental and listening to howe and taking in what howe was passing on to him?”

    Truly religious people don’t judge. Most who claim to be can’t meet that standard, most non-religious people as well.

  133. Bronx Jeers March 13th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Wait, Steve Howe told Mo to do the right thing?!

    ————————————————————–

    Imagine after all these years we found out that the source of Mariano’s super talent was nothing more than good old-fashioned cocaine?

    It would probably mean the end of the steroid era that’s for sure.

    :wink:

  134. randy l. March 13th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    pat m-

    the hard part was never letting on that i was a yankee fan. i knew if the fan part of me came out i was a goner. you really can’t throw straight if you keep seeing legends in front of you.

    yes , baseball is about dreams. every player has that dream at some point. some take it farther than others, but no matter how far you take it it’s worth it.

  135. randy l. March 13th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    “Truly religious people don’t judge. Most who claim to be can’t meet that standard, most non-religious people as well.”

    mariano is is just simply an amazing human being. i think that’s one thing we can all agree on.

  136. Pat M. March 13th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    Good Night All and Good Morning to the Breakfast Club

  137. ron March 13th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    Mariano was shopping at the stop & shop in hamden ct right down the road where i work at a different stop & shop.
    A few of my friends saw him,and said hi.
    His son goes to school in the area.I think the school is quinnipiac.

  138. Bronx Jeers March 13th, 2013 at 12:46 am

    “Truly religious people don’t judge

    ————————————–

    Truly benevolent people don’t judge. And a percentage of those people are religious.

  139. Against All Odds March 13th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    Rich in NJ March 13th, 2013 at 12:20 am
    Randy

    He’s teflon-coated to some fans.

    —————-

    You mean the comment section on RAB :D

  140. Rich in NJ March 13th, 2013 at 12:59 am

    AAO

    Well, yeah, but some posters here too.

    They’re just more polite. :D

  141. jacksquat March 13th, 2013 at 1:16 am

    Mariano may have had no idea Howe had drug problems…

  142. Macfan March 13th, 2013 at 5:34 am

    Just another reason to love Mo.

    Keep on guys like Nova to never get complacent and think they have it made in the big leagues, always keep up a work ethic to get better.

  143. Tackelberry March 13th, 2013 at 6:05 am

    Story in today’s NY Post about the Rangers scouting Joba. Maybe a Joba for Olt swap possible?

  144. jacksquat March 13th, 2013 at 6:13 am

    Joba has only one year of control left (this year), so he”s not going to have a lot of value, would have to be a lot more to get Olt. Maybe for someone else, don’t know what the Rangers might let go though.

  145. PacoDooley March 13th, 2013 at 7:03 am

    Howe – wow, there’s a role model for you. But I am impressed that despite his addiction problems he was otherwise a leader and an inspiration.

    I am also really impressed that Mariano takes such an active role as a leader and role-model for the younger players. Lot’s of great players have massive egos and are very self-focused (like Bonds). Nice to see that Mariano really cares about his legacy and the future success of others.

  146. blake March 13th, 2013 at 7:07 am

    Tackelberry says:
    March 13, 2013 at 6:05 am
    Story in today’s NY Post about the Rangers scouting Joba. Maybe a Joba for Olt swap possible?

    That’d be nice….Id think Texas would want somebody to step into their rotation now though for Olt ….probably Nova

  147. blake March 13th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    The Yankees really need to try to get Mo involved in coaching and instructed at some point….he probably wants to be with his family for awhile right after retirement….but he has so much to offer young players

  148. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    blake March 13th, 2013 at 7:07 am

    Tackelberry says:
    March 13, 2013 at 6:05 am
    Story in today’s NY Post about the Rangers scouting Joba. Maybe a Joba for Olt swap possible?

    That’d be nice….Id think Texas would want somebody to step into their rotation now though for Olt ….probably Nova
    —————-

    Reviews are pretty mixed on Olt. I’ve seen reports that his swing is too long to translate to the majors and that defensively he’s just so so (mostly from Law). But you are probably right that Texas would want more than a reliever for him.

    A couple of guys you probably could get for Joba that would help the team are Gentry or Moreland – and quite frankly I would do a deal like that

  149. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    I’d trade Joba for Olt in a NY minute Blake.

  150. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    blake March 13th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    The Yankees really need to try to get Mo involved in coaching and instructed at some point….he probably wants to be with his family for awhile right after retirement….but he has so much to offer young players
    —————-

    Mo has said he wants to work with the younger players in the minors. He would be great in that role. Teaching them what it means to be a professional and how to maintain an even keel when things are going well or poorly and how to stay on the right path and out of trouble.

  151. Bronx Jeers March 13th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    Here’s a link to the Joba item in the Post. I’d categorize it more as a tidbit than a story.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....X6t4F2SEAK

  152. blake March 13th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Ive seen Olt play a few times and think he’s gonna be a good regular big leaguer….probably not a star but a guy that will play pretty good D at 3B and hit for some power…..he may swing and miss a lot but if he could learn to walk and hit homers and play good D at 3B then that’s a really valuable player if you control them cheaply for 6 years.

  153. blake March 13th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    “I’d trade Joba for Olt in a NY minute Blake.”

    yea you’d have to…..probably take more though…I’m sure it’d take more actually

  154. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I’d like to see Chamberlain go to a team where he would have a chance to start again.

    Somebody in the NL.

  155. jmills March 13th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    ” In a New York Minute, ” sitting here at my Eastern window, a gentle snow for entertainment. Found the below for u guys yesterday.

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/h.....#038;rel=0

  156. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Blake-

    For sure it would unless they see Joba as a Starter.

  157. blake March 13th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Olt walked a good bit in the minors and always had good OBP’s…..he’d be a good pick up if they could get him. You’d have a 50 3B prospect to add to the other 4 top 100 position players they have

  158. blake March 13th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    “For sure it would unless they see Joba as a Starter.”

    even then I don’t think they’d trade Olt for 1 year of an experiment with Joba…..they’d probably want somebody that can go in their rotation immediately….I think Nova or Phelps would probably interest them

  159. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    MTU March 13th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I’d like to see Chamberlain go to a team where he would have a chance to start again.

    Somebody in the NL.
    ———————–

    I’m really less concerned with how another team uses Joba than what the Yankees could get back for him. After this season he’s gone for not even a draft pick so if I can get a useful LH slugger in Moreland or a RH 4th outfielder who can actually play in Gentry I’m all for it.

  160. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Blake-

    Before they go and burn up Joba why not just give Ronnier a shot ?

    Doesn’t that make more sense.

    ;)

  161. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Blake-

    I would not trade a good,young, cost-controlled starter for Olt.

    Like I said, IMO it makes more sense to save our guys and go w an in-house option like Musty or Adams.

  162. jmills March 13th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    I’m a little bit short at second, when is Cano coming here?

  163. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    On the other hand, I don’t anticipate the Yankees would trade Joba to the Rangers. Cashman a) doesn’t trade guys off his major league roster (the last time he traded away a major leaguer was Melky and that was to remove a player he didn’t think had value) and b) certainly wouldn’t make a trade that he thinks has a chance to make a potential playoff competitor better.

  164. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    I think the Yankees might have all kinds of in-house solutions to their issues if they would just give them a chance.

  165. Mike Ri March 13th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    I think the Yankees might have all kinds of in-house solutions to their issues if they would just give them a chance.

    —-
    I agree ! MTU

  166. blake March 13th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    “I would not trade a good,young, cost-controlled starter for Olt.”

    I would probably trade either Nova or Phelps for him….that’s JMO and I understand the counter argument. I don’t see Nova’s ceiling really where others do and I think the Yanks have a bit of depth at his level….Phelps, Mitchell, etc….and Pineda hopefully is coming back in the 2nd half….and Ramierez and Banuelos given good health could be ready sometime in 2014 too.

    Basically the Yanks have more depth in Nova’s than they do Olts IMO…..they need a long term 3B option pretty badly and there isn’t really one in sight…..Musty might could play there until Tex gets back but he’s 28 himself and I doubt can defend well enough to stay there long term anyway.

  167. 86w183 March 13th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    A starting pitcher for a AA third baseman? No thanx. Give Mustelier a month.

  168. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Blake -

    I would trade Hughes for Olt…whether I’m sold on Olt or not, he’s more of a sure thing than what the Yankees would get in draft pick compensation.

  169. jmills March 13th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Things go up and things go down, that’s how we appreciate the good times. In the words of Jim Morrison, the Jays, ” have been down so long that it looks like up to me. ” :)

  170. PacoDooley March 13th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Chip March 13th, 2013 at 8:08 am
    On the other hand, I don’t anticipate the Yankees would trade Joba to the Rangers. Cashman a) doesn’t trade guys off his major league roster (the last time he traded away a major leaguer was Melky and that was to remove a player he didn’t think had value) and b) certainly wouldn’t make a trade that he thinks has a chance to make a potential playoff competitor better.
    ————————————

    Not sure I agree – I think that Cashman needs to think about putting his best team on the field and if that means a trade with another team that could compete, then I think it is still worth the risk. This logic would pretty much mean that you can only make a trade with a loser of a team.

    I haven’t really seen Olt play much, but if he had the potential to be a decent every day player then you have to make the trade. Think of guys like Abreu, Justice, Swisher, O’Neil – all came from teams that were playoff contenders and all those trades were fantastic for the Yankees (and some included AL competitors).

  171. 86w183 March 13th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    If you look beyond 2013, the Yanks do NOT have starting pitching to spare since they have three starters — Pettitte, Kuroda and Hughes — who could be F.A. after this season.

    Nova, Phelps and Pineda are really valuable for 2013 and beyond… Marshall and Banuelos too.

  172. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Blake-

    You’re right. It sort of gets down to your evaluation of Nova/Phelps.

    My estimation of both seems to be higher than yours at the moment.

    I would have packaged one of those guys for an impact player like JU but not for a guy like Olt for which we may have an in-house solution.

    That’s just my take. I understand your POV. Just don’t agree at this time.

  173. jmills March 13th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Gose could be in centre soon and Rasmus, up for sale. If Romero can’t get it together fast, I’d be pulling him sooner than later.

  174. Mike Ri March 13th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    I think the Yanks should hold off trading anyone on the current roster or any prospect for that matter in a “panic move” …… We may need those pieces for Chase Headley or Justin Morneau mid season.

    Give the Kids a shot .. and tread water for a month or two.

  175. PacoDooley March 13th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    My main concern with targeting Olt is that he is likely to be over hyped. At 24 and with only one season above A ball there is a lot of risk. But if the Rangers would take a non-premium guy for him (like a Joba or Hughes – i.e., a 1 year guy) then it might be worth the risk. If the team really believes in either player they can try to sign them back after the year.

  176. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Paco–

    The Indians weren’t a good team when Cashman traded with them for Justice.

    The Reds aren’t in the same league with the Yankees so that could have only backfired if Roberto Kelly crushed them in the World Series.

    Abreu was a salary dump from the Phillies.

    Swisher was acquired for garbage – not a single impact player in the bunch.

    In this case you’re trading a guy who, correctly or incorrectly, is a high profile player. I just don’t see the Yankees moving that kind of player off their major league roster to a team that they might have to beat to either get a playoff spot or get to the World Series.

    I agree with you that they should consider it if it makes them better. But I don’t believe they will. Not the Yankee way.

  177. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Paco -

    Olt probably is overrated, and in that there would be sweet irony in trading the most overhyped player in baseball for him.

  178. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Proximo Hilo —–>

  179. chatalex March 15th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

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