Spring training Game 17: Yankees at Rays
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 12, 2013 
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YANKEES (5-11)
Eduardo Nunez SS
Jayson Nix 3B
Travis Hafner DH
Juan Rivera 1B
Francisco Cervelli C
Melky Mesa CF
Thomas Neal LF
Zoilo Almonte RF
Corban Joseph 2B
RHP Ivan Nova (0-0, 1.80)
RAYS (11-6)
Desmond Jennings CF
Mike Fontenot 2B
Kelly Johnson 1B
Leslie Anderson DH
Ryan Roberts 3B
Sean Rodriguez LF
Wil Myers RF
Chris Gimenez C
Hak-Ju Lee SS
RHP Alex Cobb (0-0, 2.00)
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., none
WEATHER: Rained most of the morning, but that’s finally stopped and it looks like the game will start on time.
UMPIRES: HP Toby Basner, 1B Tim Timmons, 2B Travis Carlson, 3B Chad Whitson
SEE FOR YOURSELF: The Yankees get a first-hand look at top Rays prospect Wil Myers, the big bat acquired in this offseason’s James Shields trade. He’ll be in right field. Right now the plan is for Myers to open the season in the minors.
WHERE HE BELONGS: After giving the DH job to Derek Jeter in two of the past three games, Travis Hafner gets another start today. And no, the Yankees don’t have any plans of playing him in the field at all this spring.
WHAT TO WATCH: The fifth starter job seems to be Ivan Nova’s to lose. He’s pitched well so far this spring. This is his third start. … Ronnier Mustelier is coming off the bench to play third base again. He hasn’t gotten much defensive action his past two times in the infield. The Yankees need to see whether he can legitimately play the position. … The Rays have a handful of guys who can steal a base. Might be another chance for Francisco Cervelli to test his arm.
UPDATE, 1:28 p.m.: Sweeny Murti drove me down here, now Dan Barbarisi is letting me steal the internet connection from his phone because the connection is a mess in this press box. Anyway, it’s a scoreless game heading into the bottom of the second. Melky Mesa has already has one strikeout and one impressive catch — pretty standard day for him, really — and Francisco Cervelli has thrown out another base runner.
UPDATE, 1:55 p.m.: Pretty solid play by Rivera at first base. Is he the front runner over there? More likely that Rivera starts at first or that Ronnier Mustelier starts at third?
UPDATE, 2:11 p.m.: Seriously, Cervelli just threw out another guy. It’s honestly pretty amazing.
Got some weird formatting on this one!
Oh yeah. GO ITALY!!!
Did the Yankees miss the 6 plays he made vs the Cards?
He being Mustelier.
Per RAB-
Via Joel Sherman: Carlos Lee?s agent contacted the Yankees in the wake of Mark Teixeira?s wrist injury. Doesn?t seem like there is much going on there, and it?s worth noting Lee invoked his no-trade clause to block a trade to the Bronx last summer. I guess he had a change of heart given the lack of job opportunities.
Mesa makes an astounding catch apparently on a deep flyball to the centerfield alley from jennings off Nova.
Nunez makes an error at short apparently.
The game is on audio at mlb.com.
Cervelli throws out a player trying to advance on a WP. Awesome. (Apparently)
Cervelli guns down a runner at second.
Apparently Melky Mesa makes another good catch.
Joe G. must have been admiring he back of Juan Rivera’s baseball card when Musty was snaring everything that came his way at third.
Italy making a mockery of the WBC, up 4-0 on the DR.
Rivera lines a single to center off Cobb.
our of curiosity, is cervelli’s defense good enough that the team can handle the .220 he’s going to hit?
not intended to be inflammatory, a serious question
our of curiosity, is cervelli’s defense good enough that the team can handle the .220 he’s going to hit?
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Chris Stewart may hit .220, but Cervelli has a good chance to hit ~.270 with a .330-.350 OBP. He has less power than Brett Gardner, but he has a good plate approach. And he can hit LHP. Chris Stewart sucks vs anyone.
If Cervelli is dominating base runners like he is this spring, then he will be pretty valuable.
Cervelli hits hard liner to short for a DP.
I think Cervelli, if named the OD catcher, will start out on a tear. But I’m not sure it’s sustainable; I fear a protracted swoon beginning mid-May. But if he can find a way out of it quickly and keep the average respectable, I have no problem with the lack of power. So tired of seeing guys swing for the fences on every pitch.
wow what a boring yankee team. this just ssucks.
The Avg and the Power outta Cervelli ain’t what you should be looking for. As long as he situationally hits, NO problem.
Trisha -
Saw your post in the prior thread.
As long as this game is played by human beings, it will be imperfect. It’s part of what attracts me to baseball – the long season where a story unfolds. A different story every year.
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austinmac -
There ya go – you want winning AND interesting!!!
Winning and uninspiring we found out last year does not cut it. I assume losing and uninspiring is out, too.
What about losing, but losing in an interesting way???? LOL
If I could get the stars to align for a 1998, or even a 2009, season every time, I wouldn’t turn away from that.
kd,
The team could handle a .220 hitting catcher if they had offense elsewhere. I disagree Cervelli will hit .270. I would guess more like .240 with no power.
i think he could hit 270 if he caught 1/2 to 2/3 of the games, with ~10 home runs. that’s not terrible, but best suited for a backup. and he’s a pretty decent base runner, as the team will likely play small ball this year
hopefully romine tears up AAA and gets a call up.
Is this game on the radio?
Jerkface March 12th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Italy making a mockery of the WBC, up 4-0 on the DR.
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Hehehehe.. good sh*t! If the US wins, we’d have to wait until Thursday for them to play again, correct? And if they lose they play again tomorrow?
Bold prediction: Romine never plays a game in the bigs.
Bold prediction which has already proven false. He played 6 games in the bigs. May want to qualify that bold prediction.
4Train: Romine has already played a few games with the NYY.
Bold prediction: Water is no longer wet.
“4Train: Romine has already played a few games with the NYY.”
Forget it, he’s rolling.
If Cervelli isn’t the primary catcher the I don’t know what to say
NYY_Girl_Penny March 12th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
wow what a boring yankee team. this just ssucks.
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Not as boring as that team that kept swinging for home runs and coming up empty in last year’s ALCS
You know what I mean: not another game. Or at least not another one for the Yankees. I can’t find anything impressive about this kid except for the fact that he’s supposedly a defensive marvel.
@brookob: Another scout’s radar gun has Halladay velocity at around 84-85. Just gave up grand slam to Peralta.
RIP Doc Halladay, shot dead by a farmhand
There’s a live camera focused on the Sistine Chapel’s chimney. Watching the pomp and ritual before they locked the door was fascinating, and I’m not even Catholic. The Vatican media crew is top-notch and state of the art.
Anyone know what Chien Ming Wang’s velocity was in his WBC outings? Wonder if Yanks are still interested in bringing him back
Doc may never be the same ….if not the Phillies are done before they start
I dream of a day in which the Yankees get eight or more hits.
Baseball is entertainment. If Diaz, Rivera, Francisco are entertaining, God love you.
I would be entertained if anyone could hit. Take a look at players batting averages. Does no one want to step up?
Anyone know what Chien Ming Wang’s velocity was in his WBC outings? Wonder if Yanks are still interested in bringing him back
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79-85 in Taiwan
FB was 88-91 in Japan.
At the latter he may be a very good pickup.
If this is the end of the good Doc, is he a HOFer? Off the top of my head I feel like he needed a couple more good years. But I’ll have to look at his career stats to make a definitive statement.
Ahahahaha…
@craigcalcaterra
The Miami New Times will not hand over the Biogenesis files to Major League Baseball … because of Jeffrey Loria http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......rey-loria/ …
Take heart, everyone–the Royals are 13-1. I hate when the Yankees do well in ST. Especially with all these veterans, bullets need to be saved.
Tom:
@TheTweetOfGod
Remember: white smoke = Pope. Black smoke = no Pope. Sweet smoke = BBQ break.
Cervelli guns someone down again.
CMW will get a deal with some team… if he’s willing to sign a minor league deal the Yanks should be in on him. My only fear is there are some teams so desperate for starters they’ll sign him to a big league deal out of the gate.
Another out stealing for cervelli.
Shame,
And pot smoke means the Cardinals are enjoying themselves.
JMO, but when Doc was in his prime he was as good as anyone during his era. If I had to win 1 game I would’ve picked him to start. He wasn’t just really good, he seemed to have incredible determination and intensity.
Doc had 9 very good to dominant years. That’s probably enough to get him in.
Dirty Italians spiked Cano’s foot
Is throwing out runners in spring training a good indicator of regular season performance?
I know a lot of these guys stealing are because of manager’s testing their speed…
Is throwing out runners in spring training a good indicator of regular season performance?
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I think defense in spring is a good indicator of defensive ability.
Nova and Phelps making this 5th starter thing tough
tomingeorgia March 12th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Shame,
And pot smoke means the Cardinals are enjoying themselves.
JF – They hit him? Or did one of the runners go after him at 2B?
“As long as this game is played by human beings, it will be imperfect. It’s part of what attracts me to baseball – the long season where a story unfolds. A different story every year.
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I am so with you. My excitement >every season is watching things unfold, feeling excitement about the potential for great things to happen, never giving up, always believing it can happen. And I am never ho-hum about making it to the postseason.
Kev,
Two of the OS were on near-wild pitches. I think they’re remembering Cervelli’s arm woes of the past.
‘Dirty Italians spiked Cano’s foot”
YO! Back off the Italians!
tomingeorgia March 12th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Another out stealing for cervelli.
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Guarranteed that some will attribute it to steroids
My point is it seems like runners in spring training are usually on the over-aggressive side.
Italian base runner slid late when he was already out and put his spikes into cano’s feet. Dirty dirty play.
Nobody puts Team Italy in the corner!
Nova and Phelps making this 5th starter thing tough
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If it was really a competition. I think Nova had to tank to lose the spot. Still possible with a couple weeks to go. But as of today he looks safe.
Trisha,
We Scots would have a team in the WBC, but they refused to let them slide in kilts. Prejudice, pure and simple.
austin –
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“Then there is Jose Ramirez. Rivera can’t take his eyes off him”.
“It’s about time we have had a kid like this,’’ Rivera said of the 23-year-old right-hander who hasn’t been showered in hype but is well-known among scouts. “I only know what I have seen this [spring], but it looks legit.’’
Ramirez, who was optioned to Double-A Trenton yesterday, has impressed scouts during his five-year climb through the Yankees’ system as much with his stuff as the confidence he shows in his changeup.
Rivera knows about the 96-mph fastball that Ramirez keeps down in the zone. The Bugs Bunny changeup is rated a 70 on the scouting scale of 20-to-80.
“He is composed,” Rivera said. “[On Saturday,] he had a guy 3-2 and threw a changeup after a 97-mph fastball. You don’t see many kids do that.”
Funny how it works with prospects.
Kind of feel bad for Volquez. But for that first inning…
austinmac March 12th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Trisha,
We Scots would have a team in the WBC, but they refused to let them slide in kilts. Prejudice, pure and simple.
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Ok. You can march in the ST. Patricks Day Parade. Happy now?
I cannot believe that Jose Ramirez has a plus change up, oh wait
My grandfather’s name was Coykendall, so I’m honkball all the way, except that it’s hard to run the bases wearing sabots.
Tackelberry,
Nope. Scottish not Irish. We prefer to sit in a pub and b*tch about everything.
“The New Times — perhaps a little self-servingly, given that they have ripped Loria often in the past — details Loria’s history of mismanagement and bad deeds, notes that Bud Selig is supposed to act in the best interests of baseball, and that he has nonetheless enabled Loria for over a decade
‘So this is the guy who wants our records? Isn’t he the same commissioner who in 2002 approved the complicated deal that gave Loria the Marlins, betrayed the City of Montreal, and caused Loria’s partners to accuse the artful merchant of racketeering? … he represents an organization with a long history of getting things wrong …’ ”
GRRRRR!!!!! How long have I been saying this about that filthy unholy alliance?!?!! And Henry makes three. God how that burns me up.
Where’s karma now? Too busy with Oritz???
austinmac March 12th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Tackelberry,
Nope. Scottish not Irish. We prefer to sit in a pub and b*tch about everything.
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or sleep, like the residents of Brigadoon.
Black smoke.
@michaelianblack
NY POST headline for tomorrow if conclave doesn’t finish today: “POPE? NOPE.”
My point is it seems like runners in spring training are usually on the over-aggressive side.
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I totally see that, but you have to consider the pitchers are not sharp and some of them may even be minor league guys that don’t know how to hold runners. So Cervelli beasting on people means it more likely he will throw out 30% than continue to throw out 11%.
austin,
My grandmother was Mary Young, from Glasgow, so I’m torn. Wooden shoes vs. kilts?
Farrell: Ortiz injury “somewhat expected”
Ortiz’s comments to the press:
“Of course it was expected man. What do you expect man? McHijos don’t have those milkshakes no more. They stopped making them man. I used to be able to have them shipped up from the DR but no more man. You know like when Dominos had that pizza with hamburger on the top? They stopped making it man. That pizza was great man. You ask my wife she’ll tell you. Papi’s been depressed man. I loved those milkshakes. I was like a kid in a toystore man. They was just good man. I tried to like the shamrock shakes in the states but it’s not the same man. Well Papi gets depressed and I don’t feel like doing nothing but sleeping man. So all Papi does is sleep. So then I gets back to baseball man and I’m out of shape and then comes the injuries man. The injuries happen because of my depression man. I guess you can say they happen because Papi doesn’t have his milkshakes any more man. It’s tough man. It’s tough.”
Jerkface,
I sure hope so. It’s been an unexpected, good, surprise.
Anthony Rizzo! Loved him when he came up but then he seemed to have a bit out a setback. Hopefully he’s back on track.
Mo is so going to be around during future spring trainings. He might stay away for the first few years, but baseball is in his blood.
He also, by all accounts, relished the role of mentor.
During what game with Joe let Mo take an inning in the OF…?
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......-the-mets/
Wow.
Tom,
I think you should mix and greet your guest wearing both. Everything goes with kilts. Thanks for teaching me my new word today.
austin,
Not a bad idea, but do I have to serve haggis with my gouda?
Cano with a BOMB
Houston, we have lift off.
OMG Robby!!!!
Here are my thoughts on Robby’s 2nd half of the season last year. I truly believe what happened at the ASG had a profound effect on him. I think it affected his play. I also think it’s now history and Robby is in for an MVP season.
We never had haggis growing up, but we sure ate a bunch of lamb. Lamb and gouda would be . . . gooda?
So we don’t have to be stuck with Stew most days?
Cano kinda good
We either get Stew or an Italian dish. Neither is particularly offensive.
Mustelier with a hit!
Crap!
Come on Italy! DP!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....ir=Chicago
How scary that must have been! Those sinkholes seem to be popping up a lot.
Musty !
Marshall has impressed me this spring. Even his last game in which he gave up a couple of homers, he pitched pretty well. Pineda, Marshall, Banuelos and even Nuno have real shots to fit in next year’s rotation at some point in the year. I have been impressed with the young pitching.
Not to jinx it, but have the Yankees given up a single run in the last three games?
You won’t jinx it ac1. The Yankees have pitching. Even if they give up a run – we’ve got pitching!
in terms of pitching, where does the yankee farm system rank? gotta be top 5, no?
Mustelier with a hit-now with an error-3rd Yankee error of the day(Almonte and Nunez)
No not Musty :/
If karma is operant, Tejada will do nothing. (my take of course)
Dan Johnson, boy do I suck, misses tag Marshall outl
kd says:
March 12, 2013 at 3:20 pm
in terms of pitching, where does the yankee farm system rank? gotta be top 5, no?
Nah I’m not sure it’d be top 15 right now to be honest…..doesn’t mean they don’t have some good arms though….just that they all are either in A ball or they are hurt or have been hurt…..
They have the potential to be that a year from now maybe but there are a bunch of teams with better and closer pitching now ( Seattle, Pittsburgh, Arizona, etc)
Spence in 1st and 3rd.
3rd out now 3-1 Yankees after 8
Time to cut Johnson
Austin,
The Netherlands already has a team. We raise one in Scotland, but I still need one from the Isle of Guernsey and Bohemia to cover the lineage. That’s a helluva dietary spread.
Musty makes his first error at 3rd. Oh well, he’s human. ANother great outing by Nova, and another impressive outing by Marshall. I think he should be ahead of Warren on the depth chart
Cano spiked again in the ankle by the damn dirty Italians. Hope these assholes get eliminated before they knock our best player out for the season.
Cano clipped again by a sliding Punto
Mesa with a deep fly out that was possibly held up by wind
Tom,
My son played four years in college. He’ll play. I still have a 55 mph fastball which will confuse the other team for one batter. Then, the second batter will laugh himself for an out. Unfortunately, I will need a reliever by the third hitter.
We would have had a better team if the English would have let us have some of the Caribbean Islands.
Prediction: Yanks will trade for Carlos Pena before ST ends
“Cano spiked again in the ankle by the damn dirty Italians”
While Nick Punto may be Italian, he does play in the MLB, where going hard into 2nd seems to be applauded.
Late sliding is not applauded, but by all means, applaud the other team attempting to injure our best player.
Cano up after 2 hits off of teammate Venditti
and SPIKING is definitely not applauded, and they have spiked him twice now. Going in spikes up is bush league.
“Late sliding is not applauded, but by all means, applaud the other team attempting to injure our best player.”
Yeah that’s exactly what I did. Applauded it.
Wasn’t the Mexican team spiking guys hard too?
Cano with popup single to left-called error on tough play
austinmac…..I was talking the other day to a friend who is associated with the Dodgers and he told me that Sandy Koufax is 77 years old and still throws in the 70′s when they clocked him giving instructions in the pen……
Yankees 3 Tampa 1 game over
Austin,
First, we get that independence movement fired up again, then claim sovereignty over every island ever found (or taken) by a Scotsman.
For my Bohemian team, I’ve got a name, the Musials, but no players.
No hope for Guernsey.
3 straight wins! Thats more like it. I know its ST, but this team has to start showing something as the regular season approaches. Only 20 days away from the Red Sox and Jon Lester
Quite a racist generalization on your part, jerkface, for someone who’s SOOO sensitive to things like that.
Though I guess if it was Team USA it would be tough to say “Damn dirty Americans.”
Especially when you’re painting the entire team with your broad brush.
Nice, trisha.
Thanks tom. I found it particularly offensive.
Damn dirty team italy then. Not meant as a generalization of Italians but as a very specific accusation on team italy, of which 2 specific players have spiked Robinson Cano.
Are the guys on Team Italy really Italian?
Well you of all people should be a lot more particular in the way you phrase things. And I don’t think it should be Damn dirt team Italy when you are talking about two players on the team.
We can’t rule out that they’ve been ordered to take out Cano ala The Mighty Ducks. The whole team is implicated!
Wave, I believe they are. Or they were born in Italy. I tried to ask that question the other day seeing Cervelli played for Team Italy but is from Venezuela. I also wondered if he could play for Venezuela if he wanted to. Nobody seems to know the exact rule.
Lol, white people.
Shame Spencer March 12th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
@michaelianblack
NY POST headline for tomorrow if conclave doesn’t finish today: “POPE? NOPE.”
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DONNYBROOK works there?
Yeah, I never thought Cervelli was Italian either. But I guess he knows best.
“We can’t rule out that they’ve been ordered to take out Cano ala The Mighty Ducks. The whole team is implicated!”
Yeah, we can’t rule out that they’ve been ordered to undress and run around the field naked, either.
He can play for Venezuela because that’s his heritage. I think players can also play for a national team that they’ve married into or something crazy.. like if my husband was Dutch I could play for the Netherlands.
After reading this thread, I suddenly have the desire to re-watch “Breaking Away.”
Yeah, we can’t rule out that they’ve been ordered to undress and run around the field naked, either.
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Well we probably can rule that out since no one is doing it, however 2 separate players have spiked Cano.
Wave, I think Cervelli is definitely Italian somewhere, because his last name is definitely Italian. But I know he’s from Venezuela. That’s why I’ve tried to get handle on what exactly the tie has to be. Where you were born? Where you grew up? Your heritage?
No idea.
“Yeah, we can’t rule out that they’ve been ordered to undress and run around the field naked, either.”
Way more interesting.
Team Streak. It’s non-ethnic and non-demoninational.
Wave Your Hat March 12th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Yeah, I never thought Cervelli was Italian either. But I guess he knows best.
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He is. He is of Italian decent but was born in Venezuela.
I spiked a guy once, in high school. Nobody told me to do it, though. In fact, I didn’t mean to.
@BillShaikin: MLB: Japan’s WBC victory over Netherlands had better TV ratings in Japan than any 2012 Olympic coverage.
Yeah, alright jerkface.
Next.
Where you were born? Where you grew up? Your heritage?
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It’s literally whatever you want. All of the above qualify you to play for any given team lol.
So based on that, could he have chosen to play for Team Venezuela if he wanted to?
Cervelli’s father is Italian, mother is Venezuelan.
“@BillShaikin: MLB: Japan’s WBC victory over Netherlands had better TV ratings in Japan than any 2012 Olympic coverage.”
I think in Japan they pretty much watch baseball and porn.
Wave Your Hat says:
March 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Are the guys on Team Italy really Italian?
Italian Americans….so really they are Team USA (Italian).
Calling a team ‘dirty’ is not racist at all lol, players/teams are referred to as dirty all the time in all sports (most being located in Philadelphia).
“It’s literally whatever you want. All of the above qualify you to play for any given team lol.”
If you like Italian food, you’re in.
So if he chose to, could Robby play for Team USA by dint of the fact that he plays in the US?
I could probably play for Team USA, Team England, Team Ireland, and Team Native American…..or something
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 12th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
So based on that, could he have chosen to play for Team Venezuela if he wanted to?
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Right. And I think if he married an American he’d qualify to play for Team USA lol, no joke! The rules are ridiculous.
Maybe Team Italy takes after their World Cup counter parts.
trisha – true pinstriped blue March 12th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
So if he chose to, could Robby play for Team USA by dint of the fact that he plays in the US?
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He’s gotta marry an American to play for the US or something.. since all of my advances on Chad have failed, someone should let him know I’m available.
“I could probably play for Team USA, Team England, Team Ireland, and Team Native American…..or something”
Me too, more or less, except, you know, I’m not good enough and a bit old at this point.
Too bad for Team Italy that Yogi’s a little old…
Here ya go..
PLAYER ELIGIBILITY
Each player on a Federation Team’s approved Available Player List must be eligible to participate for that Federation Team. A player will be so eligible only if:
The player is a citizen of the Federation Team’s country or territory, as evidenced by a valid passport the player holds as of January 1, 2013; or
The player is currently a permanent legal resident of the Federation Team’s country or territory, as evidenced by documentation satisfactory to WBCI and the International Baseball Federation (“IBAF”), or
The player was born in the Federation Team’s country or territory, as evidenced by a birth certificate or its equivalent; or
The player has one parent who is, or if deceased was, a citizen of the Federation Team’s country or territory, as evidenced by a passport or other documentation satisfactory to WBCI and the IBAF; or
The player has one parent who was born in the Federation Team’s country or territory, as evidenced by a birth certificate or its equivalent; or
The player presents documentary evidence satisfactory to WBCI that, even if he has not been granted citizenship or been issued a passport, the player would be granted citizenship or a passport in due course under the laws of the Federation Team’s country or territory had the player applied for such citizenship or passport.
Each Federation Team shall submit to WBCI on or before the time it submits its proposed Interest List the evidence supporting the eligibility of each of the players, unless WBCI grants an extension in regard to a player. If such an extension is granted, evidence supporting the eligibility of such player shall be submitted to WBCI as soon as practicable but in no event later than a date to be set by WBCI with respect to such player.
In the event a player is eligible to play on more than one Federation Team, the Player may select the Federation Team for which he wishes to play, provided that nothing shall prohibit such a player from declaring his willingness to play for any Federation Team for which he is eligible to play. A player who represented one Federation Team in the 2012 World Baseball Classic Qualifier will be ineligible to change his Federation Team designation for the 2013 World Baseball Classic Tournament.
If a player on a Federation Team’s approved Provisional Roster or approved Final Roster is subsequently determined, in the sole discretion of WBCI, not to have been eligible to participate for that Federation Team, the player shall be removed from the Final Roster and shall not be eligible to play in the remainder of the Tournament. Such ineligible player may not be replaced on the Federation Team’s Final Roster. WBCI may, in its discretion, impose sanctions upon any Federation Team that WBCI determines has used one or more ineligible players.
If I am playing Mario Super Slugger on the Wii, am I allowed to call them Damn Dirty Apes?
Holy awful formatting.. sorry guys
“since all of my advances on Chad have failed, someone should let him know I’m available.”
Tweet him!
‘Calling a team ‘dirty’ is not racist at all lol, players/teams are referred to as dirty all the time in all sports (most being located in Philadelphia).”
Excuse me Shame, but saying “damn dirty Italians” is racist. You have taken up pages here taking up for jerkface when he has a meltdown about some probably unintended word or phrase, talking about how important it is to be sensitive. I’m really quite surprised you would let that one go by.
So here’s something for you. I’m Italian and I found it highly offensive. So maybe that tells you that more sensitivity is needed.
“Me too, more or less, except, you know, I’m not good enough and a bit old at this point.”
We could probably really play for team England…. Do they know what baseball even is there?
“He’s gotta marry an American to play for the US or something.. since all of my advances on Chad have failed, someone should let him know I’m available.”
And thanks for the information on eligibility. It seems pretty loosey goosey in terms of requirements.
I should have used a synonym, like bush league or cheap, rather than dirty which can have racist undertones. Sorry!
“We could probably really play for team England…. Do they know what baseball even is there?”
The may think it’s game of cricket gone bad.
I wish we could see the Rodney who played for Detroit, at the beginning of his career.
Blake-
They play a silly game using insects.
trisha – The word dirty is applied to sports teams and players historically. Sorry, completely disagree. This is not even remotely close to referring to a Asian players bat as a ‘chop stick’ or the tag word of ‘lazy’ which is applied to many (varying) minorities at an alarming rate.
Thank you, Trisha.
And it’s not just a Jerkface thing or a Lohud thing, I’m sure he meant nothing flammable by it. The Italian-American voice in this country in general is very weak and we face stuff like that everyday. And that’s the issue. Nobody DEEMS it offensive because we don’t bring it up. Just replace “italians” with another ethnicity or culture, that’s the litmus test.
If Jerkface said “dirty Nigerians” or “dirty Jews” or “dirty Mexicans” would it be offensive? Yeah, probably.
jerkface, thank you for that. And reading that taught me something that you do talk about all the time. Words can have unintended consequences, so it’s important to choose wisely. I don’t believe for a minute that you meant it to be racist, but it actually hurt me to read it.
Shame, that’s way too simplistic. Italian culture always has a mafia connotation attached, which is to say, doing things “dirty”.
So when you say they’re playing “dirty” it means more when referencing Italians, than say, the Dutch.
LOL, Italian is not a race, it’s a country.
Italians are caucasian, and most of them look “white” to boot.
Some of the comments here are… weird.
Jerkface stands up against bigotry here as much as anyone.
Some plays in sports are viewed as dirty. That doesn’t mean that word is being used to apply to an entire ethnicity.
And anyone who reads Jerkface’s posts have to know that if they are being fair.
Listen, as a 100% Italian woman from NEW JERSEY of all awful places I simply cannot take people seriously that try to equate racism against Italians with racism in general. We’re white people. It’s cool. Really.
Damn bush league team italy spiking Cano twice <– this is what I meant.
Kind of a problem in nationalistic sporting events when the teams are literally just named after their heritage. Replace team italy or italians with red sox/mets and you get what I was going for.
Should I also reconsider my generous usage of the word “youse” so I don’t risk offending anyone from Bayonne?
Vince March 12th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Shame, that’s way too simplistic. Italian culture always has a mafia connotation attached, which is to say, doing things “dirty”.
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Um, what? I’m more than happy to be associated with the mob culture. It’s those Olive Garden commercials that really offend me.
jerkface showed his sensitivity when he apologized. I don’t believe he has a racist bone in his body. He showed he understood. I don’t particularly care what the rest of you have to say about it, to tell you the truth.
Cano has been unbelievable. I hope it carries over.
Vince, don’t bother yourself. You get it, I get it, and jerkface got it. That’s what counts to me.
“The distinction between race and ethnicity is considered highly problematic. Ethnicity is often assumed to be the cultural identity of a group from a nation state, while race is assumed to be biological and/or cultural essentialization of a group hierarchy of superiority/inferiority related to their biological constitution.”-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.....ification)
not sure “racist” is the right word.
maybe bigoted if someone is anti italian.
“jerkface showed his sensitivity when he apologized. I don’t believe he has a racist bone in his body. He showed he understood. I don’t particularly care what the rest of you have to say about it, to tell you the truth.”
Racist no….but he is prejudiced against pitcher wins and RBIs
Doreen, I don’t see how it couldn’t. He comes to us in midseason form!
Chad, you marginal name dropper you..enough with the little brother complex
Any new ‘fossils’ for the roster on the radar today ?
I think “dirty” was referring to the team’s tactics…not Italians. I believe JF was saying dirty…..Italian team. Not dirty Italian….team.
I think it’s quite decent of him to acknowledge that the choice of words might be offensive if interpreted a certain way. Sometimes intentions can be misinterpreted on the internets since we don’t have the luxury of tone and body language.
Yeah racist wasn’t the right word. I guess I could have said ethnicist.
Anyway, he isn’t, it was just a poor choice of words, and it’s over.
I am on board for a blank check for Robbie.
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trisha – true pinstriped blue March 12th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Vince, don’t bother yourself. You get it, I get it, and jerkface got it. That’s what counts to me.
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You and Vince think “Italian” is a race, so you don’t get it.
As randy said, the word you are looking for is bigoted.
82 Wins this year please Ms. Trisha
Doreen March 12th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
I am on board for a blank check for Robbie.
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Good plan, now all u need to do is sell it to Hal.
“Racist no….but he is prejudiced against pitcher wins and RBIs”
yup, no prejudice at all, but much bias towards “clutch”
I said race or culture. Semantics.
And like I said, I’m sure Jerkface made no connotation by it, but Trisha’s comment is not far-fetched when you read “dirty italians” and it’s in reference to a group of people widely and wrongfully criticized for a small % who did “dirty things”
Shame Spencer March 12th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Listen, as a 100% Italian woman from NEW JERSEY of all awful places I simply cannot take people seriously that try to equate racism against Italians with racism in general. We’re white people. It’s cool. Really.
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You grew up in North Jersey, that’s why. Try going up in the rolling hills of North Central NJ and you’d think differently.
*growing up
And I appreciated Jerkface’s retraction. For once,
I agree with Trisha. I found the term offensive, although I realized the intention and baseball context.
Gotcha Oscar!