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Tuesday morning notes: Pineda throws first post-surgery bullpen sliders

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 12, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Greetings from the backseat of Sweeny Murti’s rental car. Mark Feinsand is riding shotgun, Billy Joel is on the stereo and Port Charlotte is still an hour away. I’ll try to make this fairly quick while my air card is actually has me connected to the internet.

• Michael Pineda threw 35 pitches this morning. It was his longest bullpen since last spring’s shoulder surgery, and it included sliders. Pineda had thrown a few sliders off flat ground, but this was his first time throwing them off the mound. When I asked how the slider felt, he actually laughed out loud. “My slider is great,” he said. “It was my best pitch today.” I’m pretty sure he was totally serious. He’s been remarkably upbeat and confident all spring.

• Cesar Cabral remains on Pineda’s exact same rehab schedule. He also threw 35 pitches this morning, including his first sliders. “Everything good,” he said. Because he’s a reliever, Cabral is closer to came action than Pineda, but I’m not sure exactly how close.

• Mark Teixeira will be here this weekend. He’ll stay with the team until the start of the season, at which point he might stay behind in Tampa to continue his rehab.

• Ben Francisco has arrived. He’s staying behind in Tampa to take BP, but he’ll play tomorrow. He said his offseason signing decision came down to the Indians and the Yankees. “At the time we felt like Cleveland was a better opportunity for myself,” Francisco said. “But obviously things change in baseball every day, and now it seems like this is a better opportunity for me.”

• Does Francisco feel he has enough time to make an impression and win a job? “I feel like they know me pretty well,” he said. “I’ve played against them a lot the last couple of years, so I think they’re familiar with me. But I have enough time to go out there and play, and hopefully play well enough win the job.”

• Didn’t see Boone Logan after he left to throw his bullpen. I know he left the clubhouse to pitch, but I probably won’t know how it went until postgame when Joe Girardi should be able to tell us. Logan has been confident for a few days now that his elbow issue has gone away.

• Other bullpens today: Mark Montgomery, Vidal Nuno, David Phelps, Adam Warren and CC Sabathia.

• For you close followers of the minor league system, Wes Wilson was brought up to big league camp to help catch pens today. He caught Montgomery, Warren and Phelps.

• Players staying behind in Tampa were divided into two hitting groups.
Group 1: Derek Jeter, Chris Stewart, Kevin Youkilis, Ichiro Suzuki
Group 2: Ben Francisco, Matt Diaz, Brett Gardner

• A lot of rain here in Florida today, but Girardi said he’s heard the Yankees should be able to play. The team is going to hit inside when the bus gets to Port Charlotte. A lot of times, on rainy days like this, the Yankees hit at home and then travel, but Girardi said he didn’t want to show-and-go after a two-hour bus ride. He wants the team to get loose and ready after the ride.

• Despite having been optioned to Triple-A, Brett Marshall is still making today’s trip and he’s scheduled to pitch.

• Catcher Francisco Arcia, outfielder Ben Gamel and pitchers Josh Romanski and Shaeffer Hall are up from minor league camp to be extras for today’s game. I don’t think any are scheduled to play, but they’re available.

Today’s second string: C Bobby Wilson, 1B Dan Johnson, 2B Walter Ibarra, SS Gil Velazquez, 3B Ronnier Mustelier, LF none, CF Slade Heathcott, RF none, DH none

Today’s scheduled relievers: Brett Marshall, Matt Tracy, Josh Spence

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328 Responses to “Tuesday morning notes: Pineda throws first post-surgery bullpen sliders”

  1. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Getting a healthy Pineda back in the 2nd half would be a huge boost

  2. Bronx Jeers March 12th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    If CC’s throwing a bullpen today does that preclude him from getting in a game tomorrow? Because if he doesn’t start tomorrow then I don’t think we’ll se him until Sunday.

    Is it me or is anybody else wondering about Andy and CC?

  3. CountryClub March 12th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    I can only assume you did not read my post.

    —————

    I read it, Tar. I only took issue with the one statement. I understood your point with the rest.

    To be honest, Cashman’s more vocal style started when Hal took over. I think he’s doing exactly what ownership wants him to do. They want him to be the “bad guy” and he appears to be fine in that role.

  4. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    This would be a terrific problem to have ….but lets say Pineda comes along flawlessly and is throwing 95 with a plus slider in July…..and all the other pitchers are healthy and doing well…..what do they do? Keep him in AAA? Put him in the pen? Boot somebody out of the rotation?

  5. DONNYBROOK March 12th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    The Logan situation is Serious, as this is one of the horses that Girardi rode into the ground last season. We have seen this before outta over used RP’s. If Girardi attempts to use Logan at the clip he did last season, it’s “breakdown dead ahead”.

  6. CountryClub March 12th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    This would be a terrific problem to have ….but lets say Pineda comes along flawlessly and is throwing 95 with a plus slider in July…..and all the other pitchers are healthy and doing well…..what do they do? Keep him in AAA? Put him in the pen? Boot somebody out of the rotation?

    ——————–

    IF he’s pitching like in your example, he’d move to the rotation. He has too much supside compared to Nova/Phelps.

  7. Rich in NJ March 12th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Whenever Pineda comes back, I hope it is with his former velo and a viable 3rd pitch. There is no need to rush him before that happens.

  8. Doreen March 12th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    blake-

    You KNOW those “problems” never happen right? Look at last year… :(

    Just when you think you have one or two too many, line drive shot to the mound. :(

  9. Chip March 12th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    It’s a shame, I would like to see Ben Gamel get an at bat.

    Trade Proposal

    Eduardo Nunez to the Cubs for Josh Vitters.

  10. blake March 12th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “You KNOW those “problems” never happen right? Look at last year… ”

    Maybe we will get lucky for once ;)

  11. champ809 March 12th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Chip

    Why exactly would the cubs trade for Nunez when then have Castro whom they just signed to a 5 or 6 year extension?

  12. Cashmoney March 12th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    terrible news on Pineda, the man needs to be sent to rehab and confine to AAA ASAP!

    In other news that’s more exciting than today’s lineup, A stunned Cashmoney was called up to the show after less than 100 ABs combine in AA & AAA ( 15 hrs in 89 ABs) and promptly went 0-4 against Dickey and has been playing sparingly because he was told Mesa was on hot streak! The outrage… in 7 largely spread out games, Cashmoney has earned the respects of teammate and fans with all out aggressive style of playing (sladed) and impressive power (3 hrs in 7 games) Now it’s just matter of getting playing time.

  13. Chip March 12th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    champ809 March 12th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Chip

    Why exactly would the cubs trade for Nunez when then have Castro whom they just signed to a 5 or 6 year extension?
    —————

    Fair point, I’ll work on that.

  14. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    “But is it any wonder why we see swaths of empty seats in the premium sections?”

    bronx jeers-

    if everyone would spend what i will spend on the yankees this year, we could force hal to change course by june 1.

    i’ts the same strategy i use to put rj reynolds,monsanto, mcdonalds, dunkin donuts, and kentucky fried chicken out of business.

    every dollar is a vote. they don’t get my dollars.

    i realize people in market do not have the option of watching on mlb.com, like i do, which divides it’s money to all teams equally . anyone know how to get around the geographical restrictions of mlb.com ?
    i used to have a florida address on a credit card and if i used that for mlb.com i could watch red sox yankee games on mlb.com in cape cod, an in market red sox territory.

    or ,for example , can i give my username and pw to someone in the new york in market area and have them log into to mlb.com and watch the yankees?

    boycotts need creative thinking :)
    for example, i’m sitting at a macdonalds on my way through boston to cape cod and using their free wifi. :)

    i don’t need their nutritionally unhealthy food, but their free wifi is quite helpful.at some point mcdonalds will change because people are getting more and more aware about their health. but mcdonalds will last for a long while because there are a lot of people who don’t care about giving them the money to continue. money is mcdonald’s only motivation. if people paid for health, mcdonalds would serve it.
    it’s a circular thing.

    just like a yankee boycott. the customers and the fans are ultimately the ones who determine the quality of the yankees by deciding to buy tickets or tv viewing from them. the reason that the new york area has created such a high standard for yankee baseball is that fans would not support the yankees historically unless they were great like the city.

    that’s why this isn’t hal’s team. he’s just a caretaker , like a manager at a mc donalds. actually that’s cashman. hal is the guy who owns twenty mcdonalds franchises. but the real point is ultimately each customer or fan ultimately creates the business.

    when enough fans either consciously or unconsciously stop buy what the yankees are selling, the ownership will change because they are after profits.just like mcdonalds ownership. yankee ownership cares as much about quality baseball as mcdonalds ownership cares about healthy food.
    they both only are in it for the money.

    so to keep the yankees a quality baseball team that pays the game the right way, only give them money when they put a quality product on the field. the ultimate power is with the customer, the yankee fan.

  15. Chad Jennings March 12th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Bronx Jeers March 12th, 2013 at 10:15 am e
    If CC’s throwing a bullpen today does that preclude him from getting in a game tomorrow? Because if he doesn’t start tomorrow then I don’t think we’ll se him until Sunday.

    Is it me or is anybody else wondering about Andy and CC?

    Andy is scheduled to start tomorrow. CC on Friday.

  16. Wave Your Hat March 12th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I don’t think Cashman was serious with the Chipper Jones thing. Just something to distract attention from the train wreck.

  17. Cashmoney March 12th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Chad, does Murti travel in style? undoubtedly you are probably immersing yourself in the backseat of a luxury vehicle…pump up that volume! I recommend Wu Tang Clan’s protect ya neck.

  18. Bronx Jeers March 12th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    or ,for example , can i give my username and pw to someone in the new york in market area and have them log into to mlb.com and watch the yankees?

    ———

    No. It goes by the IP address that signs in.

    There is a way to get around that by using a proxy address but I’m not 100% certain how all that works.

    CR 9 would know. :smile:

  19. Bronx Jeers March 12th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Andy is scheduled to start tomorrow. CC on Friday.

    —————-

    Thanks Chad.

    I guess I need to work on my “count 5 days backward…” method.

  20. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    even if pineda comes back this summer , he won’t be as far along healthwise as he will next year.

    why not have him gain strength and improve that change up in the minors where the mlb clock isn’t ticking?

    if pineda has a set back once activated to the mlb team , he stays on the mlb clock even if he’s there for another year.

    no one knows how long it’s going to take him to come back to full strength. i think mtu said the best comp took two years. why rush pineda and lose another mlb year. he’ll hit free agency that much faster if they use up this year while he’s still relatively weak.

  21. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    “It goes by the IP address that signs in.”

    i figured that now, but in the early days of mlb.com it did’t pick up IP address. it was all the address of the credit card. i used to watch red sox yankee games on cape cod on mlb.com., but you knowthey’d change that.
    there are probably ways though :)

  22. Bronx Jeers March 12th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    every dollar is a vote. they don’t get my dollars.

    —————-

    I did cancel my ticket plan last season but it didn’t have so much to do with the product as it did with the manner in which they deal with their customers.

    IMO, compared to other teams/stadiums, the Yankees are a horror show.

    I would rather spend that money and see them in the road.

  23. DONNYBROOK March 12th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    - CHAD -
    If your listening to, “We Didn’t Start The Fire”, you have my condolences. That song? signaled the end of Joel.

  24. randy l. March 12th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    “I did cancel my ticket plan last season but it didn’t have so much to do with the product as it did with the manner in which they deal with their customers”

    bronx jeers-

    in a way how a business treats a customer is connected to the quality of the product. when both are bad it it show a disregard for the customer.

    i think it’s pretty obvious hal is detached from his customers and really doesn’t have a clue what they want.

  25. Chip March 12th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    You’re disillusion if you think that your ticket purchase is going to make the Yankees change their minds. How much did your tickets cost? $1,500 for a season? The Yankee profit margin is determined by their television and radio deals and the sales of corporate boxes. There will be someone out there willing to buy your tickets. Maybe not on a season ticket plan but on the secondary market (which is why the Yankees set up Ticket Exchange)

    Unless you are the CEO of Fox trolling on this site for kicks, there is absolutely nothing you can do to negatively impact the Yankee bottom line in any significant way.

  26. Chip March 12th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Randy,

    You’re not the customer Hal cares about making happy. The people Hal wants to keep happy are the ones in the luxury suites…that’s why the moat was put in, so that people wouldn’t be able to move down and sit with someone who dropped $1,000 for a ticket. That’s why they built more and bigger luxury suites.

  27. blake March 12th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    “why not have him gain strength and improve that change up in the minors where the mlb clock isn’t ticking?”

    If everyone is pitching well they should probably do this and save the service time and make sure he’s right and ready to go for 2014…..I guess the more likely scenario though knowing pitching is that they may actually need him due to injury or poor performance from somebody in the rotation …..

  28. Chip March 12th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Blake -

    The Yankees won’t rush Pineda, but nor are they going to let him sit in the minors. If he’s healthy he’s probably the 2nd or 3rd best pitcher in the organization.

  29. blake March 12th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    “The Yankees won’t rush Pineda, but nor are they going to let him sit in the minors. If he’s healthy he’s probably the 2nd or 3rd best pitcher in the organization.”

    Maybe….I think it depends….if all the starters are healthy and pitching well when he’s ready then why mess with that when you really aren’t sure what he will do or how he will pitch? As I said though….it’s pretty unlikely that all 5 guys will stay both effective and healthy all year…..maybe they will…..it’ll be a nice problem to have 7 quality starters.

  30. Chip March 12th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Blake -

    Yup it would be a nice problem to have. And in that scenario I would see what you can get for Phil.

  31. blake March 12th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    @NYDNHarper: Jeter confirms that he’ll play SS tomorrow night for the first time this spring: “I’ll be out there.”

  32. Chip March 12th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Eduardo Nunez and Pat Venditte for Brett Wallace and Justin Maxwell?

  33. blake March 12th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Highly doubt they will trade Nunez until they see how Jeters ankle will respond unless it’s a deal that really ungraded the team…..they aren’t giving him away for marginal Improvements IMO…..probably only gets traded if he’s a piece in a big deal because on his own he doesn’t carry enough value to make it worthwhile most likely

  34. Doreen March 12th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Randy,

    Sometimes I think Yankees fans themselves don’t know what they want, and I can’t blame Hal for being somewhat confused, if he is in fact confused.

    The Yankees won 95 games last year, and you can quibble about the quality of each individual game, and that it was not a smooth 95 wins, for sure. But they won 95 games, the most in the American League and battled into the Championship Series. Yes, it was a woeful series, and no one was happy with it, probably least of all anyone within the Yankees.

    So, they delivered a winning team that got to the second round of the playoffs. They had a team that hit a lot of homeruns and scored a lot of runs. They delivered a team that really never gave up in spite of quite a few blows in the way of injuries.

    I think it’s possible how an owner, management, players, can scratch their heads and wonder what the fans were thinking booing their team that got into the playoffs, when the fans of other teams were non-stop cheering no matter what. It even got to Nick Swisher, the perennial good guy with a ready smile.

    Some years aren’t going to be pretty. Some games are going to be downright ugly.

    But the bottom line is the Yankees delivered a playoff team and the fans were NOT HAPPY.

    Because they weren’t happy with, you name it: the way they got there, the players who got them there, that the Orioles were serious contenders, that they hit too many home runs (just repeated what is said), and the list goes on.

    I am not saying last year was a perfect season, and it surely didn’t end on a good note. But you’re saying Hal doesn’t have a clue what the fans want – and I’m saying I can understand it if that is true, because it is starting to look like NY fans will only be HAPPY with a perfectly made team that plays perfectly executed baseball every day. And no matter how much money you spend, no matter how many CURRENT all-stars are on your field, there is no way you can guarantee a perfect season.

    1998′s are special; 2009 with it’s 15 walk-off wins are special.

    But especially in the environment of parity that has been created, it is just that much more difficult.

    The budget is making it even more difficult and I can agree that it is an unnecessary budget, but as I’ve said before I have faith it’s a temporary budget to get the lux tax down, and until I’m shown to be wrong, I will continue to believe that.

    I’m also not saying that Yankees fans want recycled veterans playing every day, BTW. No one is “happy” about the circumstances as they exist right now.

  35. Jerkface March 12th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    If I were the Yankees, and Pineda was healthy and rehabbed, I’d option him just to gain the extra service time. If they did not do that, while still trying to keep around that 189 payroll, I’d really question their ability. They are losing a year and a half of service time already, due to this injury. They could recoup a year.

  36. blake March 12th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    I don’t like the budget to begin with but I’m fine with it if their plan works…..if it doesn’t then they need to adjust and hopefully they are smart enough to do that.

    Hal isn’t George but he’s not dumb either….he knows that there is a breaking point to this thing where fan backlash will outweigh luxury tax savings and actually cost them more than they are saving.

    They can try this…..but they have to know when to pull the plug on it if it’s not working

  37. pat March 12th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Miami New Times Editor has decided not to turn over records to MLB.

  38. luis March 12th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Good morning everyone,

    Just one comment…. Even if Pineda comes back strong from injury, they need to help build his self confidence, after last spring it must be shattered… That is best done in the minors… Also, he still needs to learn that CU… Even though Nova struggled last season, I like his makeup better than Pineda’s, and that is key for pitcher’s success

    Tar,

    Thanks for your comment body, it sure is appreciated it’s good to see you around

  39. Jerkface March 12th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Miami New Times Editor has decided not to turn over records to MLB.

    Miami New Times Editor: Crap, all this stuff is fake, what do i do what do i do what do I do
    Selig: Gimme gimme gimme
    Miami New Times Editor: aaaaaaaaaaaa

  40. blake March 12th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Boy if all that stuff turns out fake then some people got some spainlin to do…..including some apology columns to Alex which will never happen of course

  41. luis March 12th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Doreen,

    I haven’t interacted with you, but I have only heard great things about you, so it’s good to have you back.

    In relation to your comment, I must say that in my case I was not happy because of the general direction of the team and how profoundly they changed the way the Yankees went about their business… They went from a great patient and good situational hitting team to an all or nothing approach with plenty of k’s… That is not fun to watch when you see players failing time and time again when they were hitting from their heels when all they needed to do was put the ball in play for example… Also, the constant hesitation to tryout the kids and overreliance on vets that would give you league avg at best ( McGehe comes to mind ).

    But most of all, because the situation we are in, could have been avoided altogether or at least mitigated with some creative thinking.

  42. luis March 12th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Tar,

    I meant buddy not body!

  43. Shame Spencer March 12th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Jerkface March 12th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Miami New Times Editor has decided not to turn over records to MLB.

    Miami New Times Editor: Crap, all this stuff is fake, what do i do what do i do what do I do
    Selig: Gimme gimme gimme
    Miami New Times Editor: aaaaaaaaaaaa

    ————–

    AHahahahahahahaha… oh man, talk about a waste of time and energy.

    Anyone see the South Park episode about Jesus using PEDs? It happened to be on last night. How apropos.

  44. DONNYBROOK March 12th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Pretty tough to ALL be fake, when you catch a no-name like Cervelli. And Cervelli’s, “I had nothing in my hands when I left”, response was classic Bill Clinton. Even Braun was forced to take part inna meal at The Waffle House. Smoke = Fire here.

  45. Shame Spencer March 12th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    blake March 12th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Boy if all that stuff turns out fake then some people got some spainlin to do…..including some apology columns to Alex which will never happen of course

    —————

    I think Old Hoss had the best commentary on this when the news first hit. That piece of paper he posted was hysterical.

    I feel a little badly for all those people that seriously thought Arod would never take another AB with this team.

  46. pat March 12th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    The Editor is not a Selig fan. He cites Selig’s hypocrisy on PEDs and a number of other issues over the years as one reason they are declining. They say they don’t trust Selig to do the right thing with records.

    They also believe the FL Dept. of Health may be trying to put a case against Bosch together and getting patients to cooperate with them might be hurt by MLB being involved in handing out punishments.

  47. RadioKev March 12th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    There are people who believe the Miami Times should not turn the records over to the MLB. Including Buster Olney.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......-baseball/

  48. ron March 12th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Everybody overrates nunez.
    Hr is horrible defensively,can’t play any position other than ss,and barely,he has little power.
    The only thing that makes him decent is his ability against lh pitching.
    He is horrible against rh pitching,and as of now,he is not a ml starting player.

    He ops’d at .552 against righties in 2012.
    Maybe he gets better,but i’d trade him in a quarter of a second.Matter of fact we are crazy not to trade him for something.
    Joseph,adams,nix,and a few others,in addition to free agents,waiver players,etc… can easily replace nunez.
    Also,we should try to package hughes in a deal,and try to get headley.
    Hughes will always be an ok pitcher showing flashes of greatness,but will fight nagging injuries,and fall short,in addition to becoming much more costly when we have phelps,mitchell,pineda,and others to replace him.

    We should of traded cano,granderson,hughes,nunez,and signed josh hamilton,and tried to trade for headley,and blew up the farm for stanton.

    Hamilton,stanton,headley,minus cano,granderson,hughes,but we’d get 3 or 4 nice prospects from trading cano,and granderson to soften the blow of what it would cost to get stanton,and headley.
    This should have been done very early on because of the amount of moving players,and the time it would take.
    We’d have a much better offensive team even by losing cano,and granderson,and we’d get 3-4 high end prospects.

  49. RadioKev March 12th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    We’ve still got to wait for the dust to settle.

    If Pineda is back throwing mid 90s and his slider looks good, I’d absolutely boot the lowest man on the rotation totem pole.

    I don’t know enough about service time and options to speak on that.

  50. pat March 12th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Hal hasn’t had to resort to this yet to sell tickets. :wink:

    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/.....ay/2108405

  51. ron March 12th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Pineda will take a full year to get back mentally,and physically,and that does not cover any lost development,or further development.
    Pineda seemed very rattled early on,and unless that changes,he will be a mess,imo.
    He reminds me of liriano,except rh.
    2 great pitches,but no third one,at least not yet.
    He will need his changeup to be a real weapon,not just throwing it to show he has one like hughes.
    That is what sepparates the good pitchers from the great ones.

  52. RadioKev March 12th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    pat March 12th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    Hal hasn’t had to resort to this yet to sell tickets.

    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/…..ay/2108405
    ——-

    The Rays are trying to get the most bang for their buck while Price is still on the team. Do those t-shirts become collectibles next year? :)

  53. RadioKev March 12th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    ron,

    “He’s been remarkably upbeat and confident all spring.”

  54. blake March 12th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    “I think Old Hoss had the best commentary on this when the news first hit. That piece of paper he posted was hysterical.”

    That was classic….Im pretty sure that’s keith Law even though he won’t admit it

  55. Doreen March 12th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Luis,

    I think a team has to recognize its flaws and try to fix them. And I am so done who turned games off last year at times because of not having faith on the comeback ability of last year’s team. Other teams in other years played cleaner baseball, did all the things we like to see. And got no further than last Year’s team.

    What bothers me, is that it seems like because the Yankees are perennial participants in the post-season, we now have a preference about how they get there. While other teams’ fans are thrilled to be there, we’re not happy, not even a little bit, unless they take home the trophy. Of course that is the ultimate goal, but it should still count for something that this team has delivered playoff baseball for almost two decades missing just once. I’m thinking we’re getting too picky. Most fans don’t care how they win, just that they win, and celebrate every post-season pitch.

    Last post season many Yankees fans did not give their win team an iota of credit for being in the post season despite a litany if injuries that would have eliminated most if not all other teams.

    As a culture, we are no longer satisfied with a burger on a bun. We now require organic fed free range beef on artisan bread. Even if the difference in flavor is negligible.

  56. Doreen March 12th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    iPad self correct error!! I meant I Am one who turned off some games last year.

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 12th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    “The Editor is not a Selig fan. He cites Selig’s hypocrisy on PEDs and a number of other issues over the years as one reason they are declining. They say they don’t trust Selig to do the right thing with records.”

    I now believe the editor to be filled with integrity, as well as brilliant. Anyone who trusts Selig is the polar opposite in terms of those two characteristics. Now is it possble the editor is still faking things? Sure. But he gets my vote just for hating Selig.

    I don’t know what happened with that Miami stuff of course but my best guess is that this isn’t an entirely fabricated list of names.

    ************
    When I read about Pineda, I almost felt like we won the WS, that’s how excited I got!!! I know it’s just a step, but it’s a great step. I never doubted he’d be back, and I figured it would be this season. I still have such tremendous belief in his pitching and how he will help the team.

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