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Video: Betances shows new mechanics on the mound

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At this time last year, Dellin Betances was one of the most popular players in Yankees camp. He was coming off a strong season in Double-A, he’d gotten a little bit of big league time and Baseball America had ranked him as one of the Top 75 prospects in baseball. He seemed to have a future, possibly a bright one.

But the whole thing fell apart last season in an avalanche of control problems. Now Betances is just another guy, already sent down to the minor league complex while quietly working to refine his mechanics in what might be his last chance to prove himself in the Yankees organization.

“I think it was just, I had a couple of bad starts and I let that affect me,” he said. “I started listening to a lot of different people instead of, when I go out there and pitch, just do what I have to do and not think about mechanical stuff. It was one of those things. It was like a roller coaster. It just kept going, and I let it get to me at a certain point. This year I feel like, if anything happens I’m going on to the next.”

Betances is a big guy, which makes mechanical consistency a little more difficult. But Betances is not going to be any shorter tomorrow than he is today, so he has little choice but to deal with his height and find a way to make it work. He seemed to take some steps forward during an Arizona Fall League assignment this offseason.

“It’s definitely difficult, but I’ve been doing this for a while,” he said. “I know that my bullpens all year are pretty much good, so if I can just take that into the game I feel like my stuff will be there.”

The video above is of Betances throwing during a simulated game earlier this spring. In an effort to add consistency, he’s tried to lose some moving parts. I’m not sure his motion will ever be particularly simple, but he’s trying to simplify it at least a little bit. Here’s his brief and simple explanation of what he’s trying to change.

Lower half: “I’m just trying to shorten my stride. When I get too long I feel like I don’t get good extension. I think that’s basically it.”

Upper half: “I’m trying to be quicker, trying to get my arm up quicker. Sometimes I drift and my arm doesn’t catch up, and that’s when I (struggle). When I get it out quick, I feel like I’m good.”

Sorry the video’s not any better — I’m not allowed any closer to the field — but we’re going to try to make these videos a little better going forward. I’m actually leaving Yankees camp today and tomorrow to go for video training. It’s a requirement at my paper, and the schedule worked out in such a way that I have to do it during spring training. It’s not ideal, but we’re hoping it will enhance our coverage going forward. For now, keep up with Twitter, and I’ll try to jump onto the blog for some quick updates if I can sneak away from these lessons for a few minutes at a time.

Mobile users can view the video here:
www.lohud.com/videonetwork/2205315629001.

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294 Responses to “Video: Betances shows new mechanics on the mound”

  1. ac1 March 13th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    ac1, I am happy Robi is participating in and doing well at WBC. I just hope that there isn’t too much demand on him, in terms of games played and the need to deliver, especially with our even further depleted lineup. But I always expect Robi to thrive, based on his talent and makeup. It’ll be nice to have him get back to normal vs. LHP too. As for pricing him out of our stratosphere, well we should have extended him when that was actually possible.
    ___

    Agreed. This 2014 budget this is going to blow up in their faces and in the end, they are not even going to end up being able to follow through on it anyway.

  2. ac1 March 13th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Still holding a little hope Betances becomes the impact player we all expected.

  3. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Video training? Can you record that?

  4. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Good to hear Chad.

    I hope it helps. The raw stuff is awesome.

  5. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Thanks for the Betances specifics, Chad. Much appreciated. Can you give us some vid tips afterwards; I need that expertise for Trenton and MiLB games. Also can you bring back some food when you return? No one will deliver to Lohud.

  6. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    More on David Cooper:

    Cooper has missed Spring Training with a serious back injury. The injury could lead to a season of rehabbing and might even end his career, Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes (on Twitter). Sherman suggests the Blue Jays might try to sign Cooper to a minor league deal with an eye toward a 2014 return and Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com confirms that the Blue Jays have interest in re-signing Cooper (Twitter link).

  7. PacoDooley March 13th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    A decent video capable SLR and a relatively long image stabilized lens should solve your problems – don’t need to be especially close when your lens can make up the distance for you.

    Glad to see that Chad has put a lot of video up this Spring – great to see these ‘inside’ looks at how Spring Training works. Some day I will get down there myself and have a look…

  8. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    “I think it was just, I had a couple of bad starts and I let that affect me,” he said. “I started listening to a lot of different people instead of, when I go out there and pitch, just do what I have to do and not think about mechanical stuff. It was one of those things. It was like a roller coaster. It just kept going, and I let it get to me at a certain point. This year I feel like, if anything happens I’m going on to the next.”
    ///

    THis is what I meant about Betances being a little too suggestible and not wanting to rock the boat and wanting to be seen as cooperative.

    If Gil Patterson is what his advanced billing says he is, he’ll allow what is more instinctively comfortable in Betances to dictate. I don’t like that whole shorter stride business, and I think that had something to do with why he was suddenly giving up line drives and fly balls. I don’t like that this is their course with him.

    He is virtually unhittable when he is just getting those pathetic grounders (provided Jose Pirela, Maruzsak and Joseph aren’t being relied upon to actually make a play) and swings and misses on the high heat, curve and change.

    My worst fear: they’re simplifying him for bullpen duty.

  9. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Actually, this is more of that short stride he was using last year. However, in his last ST outing, he was lengthening it more. Maybe not by design, but reverting back to what is natural. Whatever works, but I am still not loving the short stride.

  10. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Boesch from RAB:

    He’s a total hacker — swung at 39.7% of pitches outside of the strike zone since 2010, the eighth worst in baseball — which is not the type of player the Yankees usually target.

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Chad,

    A thousand times thank you for this. Been waiting for something on the kid and thank you for being so thorough.

  12. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Boesch is like the ghost of mesa future.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    JF,

    I don’t want Bosch either.

  14. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Chad, Ashmore has the vid thing down (if you need any pointers).

    Pruf, yep, I am not a fan… And the BP is lurking. :(

    Chip, see my post last thread. Sounds like Cooper may go under the knife, so scratch him off the list.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    yankeefem, it seemed to change each time with that stride. I hope you’re right, and that what is natural begins to hold sway, or that what they’re doing becomes more natural. We’ll know just by the GB/AO even if outings we don’t see.

    I’m kinda glad the scrutiny has gone away. Let him get his mojo back in peace and be given up for dead. Have a good feeling about this year.

    Last year, the mound was a problem, they tried to reinvent him, and the suitcase life was a downer for that team. More stable environment, new pitching guru, coming off good AFL, healthy, hopefully…

  16. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Boesch is like the ghost of mesa future.
    ———————

    The problem is this:

    Mesa and Almonte have both stopped hitting as they’ve faced more major league competition. I think that right now the Yankees are leaning towards using Mustellier at 3b and Juan Rivera in LF because Ronnier is still hitting.

    So if my choices are now Rivera in LF or a Boesch/Francisco platoon – I’m going with Boesch and Francisco.

  17. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    ” which is not the type of player the Yankees usually target.”

    He’d fit in with last year’s hackers, but doesn’t have the platoon ISO. We have better options, you’d hope…

  18. DONNYBROOK March 13th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Training Chad to do video, is just another example of a company getting 1 guy to do 2 guys jobs at the Same pay. And we wonder where all the jobs went? Where’s Norma Rae when we need her?

  19. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Yankeefem -

    Even if Cooper needs surgery, the Yankees could (as Sherman suggests) sign him to a minor league deal let him rehab and then see what he has in 2014. Wouldn’t be the first time they went this route (Jon Leiber, Octavio Dotel, David Aardsma)

  20. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Almonte is still making adjustments but I don’t doubt he can hit mlb RHP.

  21. austinmac March 13th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    We must understand dumpster diving always results in a player with flaws. Boesch is better than Diaz, perhaps. Maybe better than Rivera. Likely no answer either especially after seeing how he chases pitches.

    I also saw the Joba is being watched by the Rangers story. His statement about starting is a very clear sign he will not be back after this year. That’s what he wants to do and he won’t do it here.

    They won’t tender Joba, and I think they have enough RH BP guys to replace him. I don’t know what he would bring, but I would sure look into it.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    MTU March 13th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Good to hear Chad.

    I hope it helps. The raw stuff is awesome.
    ///

    You bet. It’s otherworldly awesome. Which is why it could pay hugely to just abide the rest of this year,and why I don’t have ears for anyone who suggests we get rid of him.

    His trade value right now is nil, so the cries to put him in some deal as filler, to me, is ridiculous.

  23. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Chip,

    Boesch never hit this spring though. Batting .188 with an OPS under .600

  24. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Chip, I know. I am referring to Cooper’s lack of present usefulness.

  25. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Almonte is still making adjustments but I don’t doubt he can hit mlb RHP.
    —————————–

    I think eventually he will; but he absolutely needs to get time in AAA.

  26. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Pruf, QFT.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Almonte is still making adjustments but I don’t doubt he can hit mlb RHP.
    ///

    I agree on the hitting side. He could be a star. His problem is defense, and even he knows this. He needs to stop thinking of himself as a bullfighter when a ball’s coming his way. :D

  28. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Chip, agree but more for his RH swing and his D. I think his LH bat can play.

  29. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Jerkface -

    I have more faith in him hitting during the season than I do Juan Rivera though. Like I said, it’s probably a moot point. If I was Boesch I would have my agent looking at situations where I’m going to get to play for more than a month. A team like the Mets makes the most sense. For the Yankees, I’m sure other players will start shaking loose in the next week.

    Yankeefem –

    Got it.

  30. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Pruf, Almonte is Mr. Aggressive to his own detriment.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    ac1 March 13th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Still holding a little hope Betances becomes the impact player we all expected.
    ///

    Amen.

  32. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Chip-

    +1 on your take on Boesch.

    JAP-

    The stuff has always been there. It’s the other that has created the doubt. Hope he overcomes it.

    This is his last year to show it IMO. Too many others coming along.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Pruf, Almonte is Mr. Aggressive to his own detriment.
    ///

    He’s comical the way he charges the ball. Someone needs to disabuse him of that. He has the athleticism and range to be a decent RF, and he has the arm.

  34. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Austinmac -

    I think the best you could hope for from the Rangers for Joba would be Mitch Moreland; which happens to be a deal I would make.

    With Olt and Berkman Moreland should be expendable.

    The problem is that the Yankees are generally disinclined to move guys off their ML roster.

  35. blake March 13th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    “Upper half: “I’m trying to be quicker, trying to get my arm up quicker. Sometimes I drift and my arm doesn’t catch up, and that’s when I (struggle). When I get it out quick, I feel like I’m good.”

    this is what I see a lot watching him….he opens up and drifts glove side with his left shoulder and then his arm just never catches up and the ball sails and he lose velo…..I don’t know if he will ever be able to do this consistently enough…..

  36. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    On Betances,

    If he flames out as a starter through the first half of this season it would not shock me to see the Yankees move him into a relief role.

  37. pkyankfan69 March 13th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Even though Boesch is a lefty he hits lhp better than rhp:

    Boesch career vs lhp: .286/.348/.420/.768
    Boesch career vs rhp: .250/.305/.412/.717

    Although, he was pretty evenly bad against lhp and rhp last year.

    On the cheap he is certainly at least worth a look.

  38. DONNYBROOK March 13th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    My major problem with Juan Rivera is his base running. Scioscia had Major problems with him in this area. I like a player being “aggressive” on the bases. Rivera though is “aggressively stupid” when running the bases. He’s a lot like Vlad Guerrero in this area.

  39. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Chip-

    If his control sucks he won’t make a very good reliever either.

    i.e., Jose Veras

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    MTU,

    His raw stuff is better than all of them. If he can just manage to be even a somewhat less efficient starter, it’s worth it.

    I tell you, this guy is unhittable. Some people thought last year was just symptomatic of what generally ails him, but I have to take issue with that, because Betances just does not give up solid hits, and the ball was flying all over the place. They tried to “fix” him and they basically eunuched him. That’s not him.

    He also does not need great command, just some control. They won’t hit him. I remain hopeful that Patterson will have a way to bring back 2010 Dellin.

  41. Bronx Jeers March 13th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Jeers, Jeers, you are nitpicking.

    —————-

    Yeah it’s borderline trolling. But I missed out on the big brouhaha yesterday and I’m all riled up. :wink:

  42. Chip March 13th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    The problem with Juan Rivera is that he’s not very good. He’s bad defensively, bad offensively and not much in terms of his ability to pinch hit.

    Quite honestly, Matt Diaz is a better option than Rivera.

  43. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    yeah. Except Vlad could actually hit. A ton.

    ;)

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Chip March 13th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    On Betances,

    If he flames out as a starter through the first half of this season it would not shock me to see the Yankees move him into a relief role.
    ///

    He can’t walk the ballpark and be a late innings reliever, though.

    His only role that makes sense is as a starter. He puts guys on, but he erases them with a combination of Ks and groundballs.

    Say what you want: he does not give up hits or runs, really.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Jeers,

    By the way, not to get into all that, but I appreciated your distinction between benevolence (if that was your word) and religion yesterday.

  46. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Say what you want: he does not give up hits or runs, really.

    Except for last year

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    this is what I see a lot watching him….he opens up and drifts glove side with his left shoulder and then his arm just never catches up and the ball sails and he lose velo…..I don’t know if he will ever be able to do this consistently enough…..
    ///

    He did a great job of going through checkpoints in 2010 to stay closed and get out in front. I don’t know why they didn’t just harken back to doing this instead of trying to Frankenstein him. That set him back and his season was a true horrorshow, but it wasn’t representative of him at all.

    He’s not going to be some little command guy, he’s a monster. But he’s also got monster stuff, so you keep going to the well and you hope that he finds it again. He did it before and the boom would be worth it.

    Besides, there’s nothing else to do – he has neglible trade value.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Say what you want: he does not give up hits or runs, really.

    Except for last year
    ///

    And last year was an anomaly, so we can just throw it out right now.

  49. DONNYBROOK March 13th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    I would take Rivera over Diaz. Not that this is a Great choice to have to make.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    MTU March 13th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Chip-

    If his control sucks he won’t make a very good reliever either.

    i.e., Jose Veras
    ///

    Right on. I don’t know why people don’t get this. The idea that well maybe he can repeat for a couple innings is kinda stupid, too.

    Because what Betances generally does is get out of whack for an inning, and then he settles down and no one can touch him. THat’s how it’s gone when he’s piled up Ks and ground balls. That’s more valuable in the rotation, because his somewhat “inefficient” is still usually going to blow away the alternatives.

  51. blake March 13th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    “He’s not going to be some little command guy, he’s a monster. But he’s also got monster stuff, so you keep going to the well and you hope that he finds it again. He did it before and the boom would be worth it.”

    he doesn’t have to be a command guy to have success…..he just has to have control and not walk people and figure out a way to repeat a motion so his stuff is more consistent…..that the thing that has always jumped out at me most when watching him is how the radar gun jumps around……he will throw 95 one pitch….90 then next then 88 then 94…..that’s not because he’s taking some off…..it’s because he’s not throwing the ball the same every time…..when he stays closed and gets his arm up like he’s saying he throws harder…..he’s gotta get where he does that every time.

  52. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    There are plenty of wild relievers that are good. Hanrahan, Strop, Arredondo, Marmol, Axford, even Jose Veras has had 3 pretty decent seasons the past 3 years.

    Betances has 1 year to make it as a starter, and once its up he will either be in a rotation or working his way around as a volatile relief guy.

  53. FiretheUMPIRE March 13th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Dangle Joba to Detroit and see how much they will give. If he closes in Detroit he sets himself up better for free agency wherever he goes after that. He can be signed as a starter project or a closer. At least make him pricey for the Rangers if they’re monitoring him.

  54. FiretheUMPIRE March 13th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Or trade him to the Rangers for David Murphy.

  55. DONNYBROOK March 13th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Marmol is supposed to be on the block. I wonder what kind of outrageous package Theo is attempting to get for him. Soriano in LF and added to batting order, instead of the “grab bag” currently being sorted through, solves a lot of problems.

  56. Bronx Jeers March 13th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Thanks Lovesong. I generally try to adhere to Irish bar rules in here (no politics/no religion) but it was after hours.

    And I do think its very cool for Mo to mention Steve Howe. I imagine Howe’s family would be very proud to know he was an influence on such an amazing and graceful player.

  57. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    JF-

    I agree about the SP timeframe but not about the other part.

    Betancs is too wild. He’s not effectively wild IMO.

    Let’s just hope they can fix him enough so that he can be useful in some capacity.

  58. DONNYBROOK March 13th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Detroit has plenty of RP’s.

  59. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Blake, I agree he needs to repeat but it is entirely not accurate that his velo jumps around. You are seeing him in ST. This is just not accurate during regular season games. He never throws under 91 and sits mostly 92-95 and touches 98, 99 in summer. So, other points are well taken, but not the one about his velo.

  60. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Jeers, good post, and I am sure there will be future taboo discussions that you can get in on. ;)

  61. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    I agree about the SP timeframe but not about the other part.

    Betancs is too wild. He’s not effectively wild IMO.

    Let’s just hope they can fix him enough so that he can be useful in some capacity.

    Disagree MTU. 2012 Betances is not a major league baseball player at all, so of course he has to come back from that, but if he is walking 5 per 9 he can still make it as a reliever.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    he just has to have control and not walk people and figure out a way to repeat a motion so his stuff is more consistent…..that the thing that has always jumped out at me most when watching him is how the radar gun jumps around……he will throw 95 one pitch….90 then next then 88 then 94
    ///
    Yes, he has to be consistent enough to be around the strike zone.

    His stuff is so lively, they will offer at it even it it isn’t a “strike”, the downside is the umpire also won’t give him strike calls because of all the movement.

    This is not true of Betances in the course of the season that his fastball velocity jumps up and down. We’re in ST, so that’s not really going to be in play, IMO. ANd in general he does take stuff off; he has his fastball down and his elevated fastball and uses both purposefully. What you’re seeing is a kid in ST

  63. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Detroit has plenty of RP’s.

    They are looking for a closer.

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Blake, I agree he needs to repeat but it is entirely not accurate that his velo jumps around. You are seeing him in ST. This is just not accurate during regular season games. He never throws under 91 and sits mostly 92-95 and touches 98, 99 in summer. So, other points are well taken, but not the one about his velo.
    .\///

    Yes. Agree. I am going to lunch.

    CHAD: thanks again for this update on Betances. WOuld love to hear what Patterson’s thoughts are, but I guess I can bug Ashmore or his replacement about that :)

  65. FiretheUMPIRE March 13th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    A front office with any guts whatsoever would trade Granderson, Hughes and Joba.

    They’re all gone.

  66. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    And I agree in sentiment that you give Betances the most chances to make it as a starter, they are more valuable, but I don’t buy ineffective command and control hurting less as a starter. There are plenty of relievers that walk 5 per 9, many are even pretty good or passable options. Only 3 starters had close or over a 5 BB/9 last year, and all 3 were pretty bad. Romero, Jimenez, and Volquez. Volquez’s era was saved by pitching in Petco. Was still below league average based on park effects.

  67. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    JF-

    Not with #’s like that on the Yankees IMO.

    Maybe somewhere with a lower standard.

    They have plenty of live arms who have control, or at least better control.

    We’ll just agree to dsiagree on that one and see what happens.

    ;)

  68. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    @ihateprospects

    Jody Macdonald just said Cano turned down 8/202 without even countering. Wow.

  69. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    @ihateprospects

    Excuse me I missed some money the Cano report was actually 8/216

  70. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    MTU,

    Betances isn’t a starter for the Yankees with a 5 BB/9. So not sure what we’re disagreeing on now.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Bronx Jeers March 13th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Thanks Lovesong. I generally try to adhere to Irish bar rules in here (no politics/no religion) but it was after hours.
    ///

    Hey Jeers, I’ve got to run. But I’d say I always find it interesting that ultra conservatives on this board drop the non sequitur on their beliefs and then vociferously invoke the TOS when someone disagrees with them… I don’t care to discuss either, generally, but I always find that amusing :)

    Good one, all

  72. jacksquat March 13th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Betances himself said when his stride is longer he feels like he doesn’t get extension (through his pitches). That’s important, and if that’s the case shortening his stride makes sense.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    And I agree in sentiment that you give Betances the most chances to make it as a starter, they are more valuable, but I don’t buy ineffective command and control hurting less as a starter.
    ///

    Only because the arm is so good, I want it in a game longer than 2 innings and in his case, those guys rarely come around to score… I want his arm in the game longer than an inferior one.see you guys later.

  74. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    That’s over 25 mil/yr for 8.

    That’s more than a fair offer. I wouldn’t go anymore than that.

    Actually, much as I love Cano, I would not even offer 8.

    Someone will probably pay more. Good luck to them.

  75. blake March 13th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    “Blake, I agree he needs to repeat but it is entirely not accurate that his velo jumps around.”

    every time I have seen him it has been….maybe I’ve just seen his bad days the 15 or so times Ive seen him pitch

  76. austinmac March 13th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    The Yankees offered eight years and $216M and got no counter? I would gladly give away this year of they could add some big time prospects.

  77. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    JF-

    On his potential as a reliever.

    ;)

  78. blake March 13th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    “This is not true of Betances in the course of the season that his fastball velocity jumps up and down. We’re in ST, so that’s not really going to be in play, IMO. ANd in general he does take stuff off; he has his fastball down and his elevated fastball and uses both purposefully. What you’re seeing is a kid in ST”

    I’m not just talking about his last outing…..he’s been that way every time I’ve every seen him pitch….including games for SWB last year….now again maybe it’s just bad luck that ive seen him on the wrong days…..but that’s a lot of bad luck. He doesn’t repeat his delivery well at all and I’ve been saying that for a long time now…..was saying it when he was still a top 100 prospect too.

  79. Bronx Jeers March 13th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Hard to believe Cano would turn down an extension like that. But if he did then he can go to LA and I have no problem with the Yanks letting him go.

  80. austinmac March 13th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    I agree with Blake that Betances main issue is opening up too quickly. That causes the arm to drag and the pitch going into the right hand batters box. Opening up also costs velocity.

  81. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    On his potential as a reliever.

    In that case all the datas against you

  82. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    There is almost no chance that both: 1. The Yankees offered that & 2. Cano turned it down are true.

  83. blake March 13th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    “Excuse me I missed some money the Cano report was actually 8/216″

    if true then let him go…..cause the bidding is going to get crazy

  84. jacksquat March 13th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

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    @ihateprospects

    Jody Macdonald just said Cano turned down 8/202 without even countering. Wow.

    Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    @ihateprospects

    Excuse me I missed some money the Cano report was actually 8/216

    What are the chances this is legit?

    Even if it was 8/202, turning that down is absurd. That is absolute max I would offer him and most others here seem to not want to go even that high.

    Of course 8×27 is just bleeping crazy.

  85. blake March 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    If Boras turned down 8/216 now then he’s a bit crazy….that’s close to what he’d get as a free agent and a year early which eliminates the risk he gets hurt

  86. MTU March 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    JF-

    It might be but I’m willing to just see what happens.

    I don’t base all of my decisions on data. You’re the guy who does that. Not me.

    Time will tell. Personally, I hope he finds better control and starts.

  87. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    What are the chances this is legit?

    Just a report from the MLB XM host, no idea where he got it from as I’m not listening.

  88. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Blake, last year was an awful year for him. Not the case in terms of velo range in either 2010 or even 2011. He couldn’t throw 88 if he tried.

  89. RadioKev March 13th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    blake March 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    If Boras turned down 8/216 now then he’s a bit crazy….that’s close to what he’d get as a free agent and a year early which eliminates the risk he gets hurt
    ————

    IF this is true, you’ve got to party ways with Cano or blow up the budget. Way too much. That’s more than Fielder!

  90. FiretheUMPIRE March 13th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    That’s a bogus tweet.

  91. blake March 13th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    “Blake, last year was an awful year for him. Not the case in terms of velo range in either 2010 or even 2011. He couldn’t throw 88 if he tried.”

    I didn’t see him in 2010 or 2011…..so again I’m basing this off the times I have seen him pitch

  92. RadioKev March 13th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    I honestly wouldn’t believe anything you hear on a sports talk station, if there’s no journalistic source cited. In radio it’s all about the money and the ratings. People will say anything for the attention.

  93. blake March 13th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    if they said it on MLB radio then thats a legit source….if it was a random tweet then anybody could have said it.

  94. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Wow… Boras is going to start at $280 and try to get $250. He will. From someone.

    Anyway.. I’ll have you all know I spent a majority of my morning mapping out the other professional baseball leagues’ schedules. As far as I can tell, the only problem with having the WBC in July might come from the South American leagues.

  95. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Jody MacDonald is hosting power alley with Mike Stanton this afternoon, thats what the tweet is referencing. Came from Jody. Where he got it from is no idea.

  96. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    blake, are you sure that 88 wasn’t his change? ;)

  97. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    If you have MLB XM internet radio, start it at 12:20 for channel 89 (It has DVR type capability). They are talking Cano at this time.

    Jody MacDonald says: “I did not get this confirmed, no one would say definitively, but I heard that it was 8 year deal worth 27 mil per. I cannot say this was the deal, only that it was rumored to be.”

  98. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Jody MacDonald says: “I did not get this confirmed, no one would say definitively, but I heard that it was 8 year deal worth 27 mil per. I cannot say this was the deal, only that it was rumored to be.”

    ——————-

    Hmmm… so we have a rumored to be deal that was never countered? Or is the fact that it was never countered also a rumor?

  99. ac1 March 13th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    The Rangers are scouting Joba Chamberlain?
    I say if they can get anything useful, the should really consider a trade since they clearly are set in wasting his talent in the 7th inning.

  100. Bronx Jeers March 13th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Anybody having trouble opening this post on an IPhone? I get locked out. iPad is no problem but recently when Chad post something with a video I can’t open it on my phone. Is it my settings?

    Maybe that’s something that they’ll cover when Chad goes to video school. :smile:

  101. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    In a meeting now, I’ll listen to the rest of the segment after and check, Shame. At what I heard so far its an assumption that he walked away with no counter. This is based on them offering the deal and they declined.

  102. ac1 March 13th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    I agree if Cano turned down 8/216 (big IF), they have to consider just letting him go. $27M a year for 8 for a guy past 30 is insane. Right now, that would make him something like 9/231 (i think he is making $15M this year).

  103. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Joba for Olt :)

  104. ac1 March 13th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    i feel like most yankee fans will forgive cashman if they offer cano 216 mil and he turns it down and leaves.

  105. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Jeers, lohud opens on my phone, but just can’t watch the vid.

    I would hate for any of our homegrowns to go to Texas. Ugh.

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  107. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Just a rumor on Cano offer, correct?

  108. ac1 March 13th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    I would hate for any of our homegrowns to go to Texas. Ugh.
    __

    Me too but Joba is all but gone after 2013 anyways. Yankees failed us and him…. He had the tools to be a #1 or #2 starter, even on this team. They screwed with him, he got hurt, they screwed him some more, then dropped him to 4th on the bullpen depth chart. What a waste!

  109. Jerkface March 13th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Rumor only, yf

  110. FiretheUMPIRE March 13th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Joba for David Murphy.

    Then you go into 2014 with:

    Ichiro
    Murphy
    Gardner
    Mesa
    Almonte
    Heathcott
    Williams
    Flores

  111. blake March 13th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    “blake, are you sure that 88 wasn’t his change? ”

    pretty sure yea….

  112. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    ac1, yep. Imagine if he went to Texas and started. :mad:

    Thanks, JF.

  113. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    blake, lol, just ribbing you.

    I am off to lunch; have a good one.

  114. blake March 13th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Texas would sign Joba for like 5 million bucks for 2014 and make him a starter

  115. ac1 March 13th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    ac1, yep. Imagine if he went to Texas and started. :mad:
    ___

    I have no doubt someone will let Joba earn his way into a rotation again and he will probably be very good. And we will sit here and be upset about it.

  116. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    blake, QFT. Ugh. Later.

  117. Rich in NJ March 13th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    If that’s true, they have to trade him. It would be foolish not to.

    Not high on Jody Mac though.

  118. Bronx Jeers March 13th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Thanks YF

    Not sure what I’m doing wrong. When I try to open the post I just get a black box that tells me the video isn’t available. I can’t see any of Chads text or the comments.

  119. RadioKev March 13th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    ac1 March 13th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    i feel like most yankee fans will forgive cashman if they offer cano 216 mil and he turns it down and leaves.
    ————

    I sure would. I might not be able to forgive Cashman if he goes something like $250/9.

  120. FiretheUMPIRE March 13th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Nevermind, David Murphy (OF) is a free agent after this year.

  121. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    “There’s something to be said for trading Chamberlain, given the proper return. He’s injury-prone and annoying to be around, and a well-run scouting department can find good relievers.”

    LOL

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    The rumored Cano offer is the kind of tripe that originates from the Yankee FO. It turns the Yankee fans against Cano, and they then applaud Hal when he lets Cano walk. Hal is taking a page out of Tricky Dick’s Book, and some of you are falling for it.

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