Francisco back in the outfield
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 14, 2013 
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Brett Gardner CF
Eduardo Nunez SS
Kevin Youkilis 1B
Travis Hafner DH
Ben Francisco LF
Jayson Nix 3B
Francisco Cervelli C
Thomas Neal RF
Corban Joseph 2B
RHP Jose Ramirez
Jose Pitching today.
Morning, Mister MTU,
Yes, he is, but no TV at all.
Get 150 innings this year Ramirez.
Stay healthy.
Mister Tom-
It’s a hike day for me anyway so I would not have been able to see him.
Maybe you should do another hitchin’ today to keep you busy ?
J rams!!!!
Always ready to serve, MTU.
Why is Heathcott languishing on the bench?
Ramirez, DePaula,Banuelos,and Pineda all have big arms.
If one can stay healthy they should have themselves a top-of-the-rotation starter.
Morning All! Man I wish I could see Jose pitch today.. I only got to see him throw a couple of innings this spring.
Shame-
You can see him. Meet JAP and YF at Trenton.
Got to start getting ready soon.
Have a great day.
Ramirez was the reason they felt they could trade Arodys Vizcaiano. Problem ism they traded him for Javy Vasquez
Too bad Christian Garcia could not stay healthy.
He had Ace stuff. Unfortunately his body failed him.
That’s the danger w. young arms.
Hope we get luckier w this new crop.
MTU – That’s really not a bad idea lol. I should start my autograph collection down there since I think a lot of those kids will be stars.
Need a good laugh? As a NYer I listen to WFAN and find Francesca annoying, but I accept him as part of a NY institution. But it is funny to see him show up on a UK website as a news item (second time in the last year that his absurdity has been highlighted actually):
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.u.....74454.html
Is there no place to get a Cajun filet biscuit up here…? NYC cannot fail me this way.
BryanHoch Phil Hughes threw 26 pitches of live batting practice this morning. Said he felt good; next step is a simulated game on Monday.
4 minutes ago
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So far, so good. No JRam TV coverage? (Groan)
Can you imagine the backlash if Hal said this……..
“It doesn’t bother me that people want us to spend more money but it’s not their money. This is a private company, even though it’s got a public flair to it. If they want to write a check for 10 million bucks, they can give me a call.” Jim Crane/Astros owner.
Quiet day around here.
pat March 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Can you imagine the backlash if Hal said this……..
“It doesn’t bother me that people want us to spend more money but it’s not their money. This is a private company, even though it’s got a public flair to it. If they want to write a check for 10 million bucks, they can give me a call.” Jim Crane/Astros owner.
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Lol, that is pretty amazing.. you know if we get really philosophical about this it’s not Crane’s money either!
I wonder how many revenue sharing dollars the Astros will collect for being f*cking awful.
He doesn’t need to say it.
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Go Jo-Ram! Lack of coverage blows.
We are stuck with the Toronto radio broadcast.
Our MiLB intersquad games start today.
Hal has said as much, if obliquely.
pat March 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Can you imagine the backlash if Hal said this……..
“It doesn’t bother me that people want us to spend more money but it’s not their money. This is a private company, even though it’s got a public flair to it. If they want to write a check for 10 million bucks, they can give me a call.” Jim Crane/Astros owner.
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At least he didn’t say he’d rather see Mitt Romney win than the Astros win the World Series, to a liberal state fan base.
@BattingStanceG
Not saying this Yankees lineup is obscure, but today’s OF: David St. Hubbins, Derek Smalls & Nigel Tufnel.
Had he said it, my reply would be:
It’s not your money. If you want to give me free tickets in the Bronx, give me a call, and I’ll think about whether I want to chase up there to see the McGehees of the world. Throw in the $35 parking, too, or it’s no deal.
Once you stop running retreads and 1-year mercenary has-beens, have-never-beens and never-will-bes out there and pretending they’re Yankees, I’ll consider actually spending money with you again.
Give me Gary Sanchez and Heathcott and Williams, and I’ll seriously consider coming back.
Until then, I’m not sure you can pay me to watch the 2013-edition Juan Rivera.
At least he didn’t say he’d rather see Mitt Romney win than the Astros win the World Series, to a liberal state fan base.
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Lol, did this happen and I missed it..?
Our MiLB intersquad games start today.
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Now that’s something to smile about
Nice game last night, Yankees! Robby coming back will help round things out nicely.
And in other news:
http://blogs.providencejournal.....rture.html
AWWWW!
A certain Jets owner made that statement, if you recall, Shame.
God it’s hard to cheer for the morons that run that team.
It is hard to cheer for the “morons” that run most of my teams, unfortunately. Thank God for Mario Lemieux!
Welker jumps ship. LOL. Too bad we didn’t sign him. I’d enjoy it more if the stupid Jets weren’t about to unload the Island.
Trish, thanks for that good bit of news courtesy of the ProJo (used to buy it every day on Thayer Street, way back when).
Poor Tom’s a-cold…
Geeze the hits just keep on coming!
http://blogs.providencejournal.....chick.html
Thank God for Mario Lemieux!
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Amen, amen, amen.
Great players understand talent, young talent, is actually necessary to winning.
J Al – sorry about the Jets.
Hope that provided a little smile, anyway.
YF –
I will always keep you updated with the latest the projo has to offer!
LOL, trisha.
By the way, helluva Papi impression the other day. LMAO
Trish, I am sure Belichick has not only heard whatever profane words those were spoken before, but also has a patent on many of them. Lord knows he uses them enough himself.
Poor Tom’s a-cold…
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:thumbsup: !!!
Edgar I nothing am.
+1, keep the Papi stuff coming. LMAO.
Nix at third and Francisco in left.
What a treat.
Maybe that’s why it isn’t televised.
It is hard to cheer for the “morons” that run most of my teams, unfortunately.
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Ugh. Too true.. for most of them it’s just a pet project or a part of their inheritance. And I don’t begrudge anyone for being rich. I hope to one day find myself among the 1% lol, but sports are not the same as private companies.
The Catholic church got a Pope who seems to be a very humble man of the people, the Yankees looked really good last night, Welker’s leaving has enraged Tom “martian head” Brady, and NFL network used on-air vulgarities to describe Bill Belicheat.
I must be living right!
It might be impossible to cheer for the Jets once Revis is actually traded. They will never get anything remotely worthy of him.
Fools.
Trish, thanks; miss those days of going out on blustery Providence mornings to get my cup of coffee and Globe and ProJo newspapers (while wearing my Yankee cap–of course).
but sports are not the same as private companies.
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apparently, they are.
Pruf, RE:vis, SMH. Don’t get me going about Mike T. and his money mismanagement…
I’ve always followed/rooted for the Jets as my NY team since the Cowboys weren’t so easily accessible when I was younger…. I was really hoping one or the other would make a run at Reggie.
Love me some Reggie Bush. That man is gorgeous.
J Al and YF – you warm my heart!
Awww YF, wish you were still here. It’s so cool to hear your describe “our” turf.
Providence Journal always seemed like a solid sports paper. What it lacks in metaphors it makes up for in decent reporting.
It’s actually sometimes better than the Boston Globe, which, for a long time, had the best sports columnists in the country.
I recall enjoying very much the work of Kevin Dupont.
“Torchbearer, thy name is Bill Buckner!”
LOL
How did the Jets not know what Woodhead could offer them…..
That team is a mess.
J Al, I’d have to agree with you about the sports reporting. Pretty direct, no nonsense stuff. Even the homerism in the columns is pretty objective, if you know what I mean.
10:34 am
J Al and YF – you warm my heart!
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Even the homerism in the columns is pretty objective, if you know what I mean.
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I always find New England sportswriters amusing, because they torture their readership due to being tortured fans themselves. Certainly, it was true of the pre-2004 Red Sox writers.
I remember Dupont once started a column about the Sox:
“Well, do you?!!!”
And he went on to ask if they were prepared for more hellishness between the lines, more broken hearts, etc. Very funny fellow. I’ve met him. He’s an offbeat sort of old money New England guy. Very good mind for hockey and baseball and full of wit.
yankeefeminista March 14th, 2013 at 10:34 am
Pruf, RE:vis, SMH. Don’t get me going about Mike T. and his money mismanagement…
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You’re right. Paying their PSL makes me feel incredibly foolish. THe Yankees should have done something like that, because once you’re in, you can’t get out, even if they were to sign Juan Rivera’s grandmother.
Morning all, Haven’t seen much of Thomas Neal as a player, anyone has an opinion?
Cashmoney road to the show reporting, Yanks had promptly traded Mesa to create room for the young Phenom
Cashmoney!, who has so far demonstrated power, some discipline, and contact from both sides of the plate to go along with complete lack of speed and okay defense.
It’s a long road ahead.
Well, enough waxing.
Have a good day, folks. May Jo-Ram be himself this afternoon
J Al – it’s coooold. Forecast for possible snow showers. So we’re TOTAL kindred spirits right now!
This is sure wacky weather. Yesterday I was out with a sweater and no coat. Today back to bundling! But I’ll be walking on air because it’s sure been a pretty sweet 24 hours.
Good thoughts abound in the directions of my good buddies. Time to make the doughnuts!
Later y’all.
Ramirez is my man…I would love to see him in the Bronx! In the meantime, I hope he’s still in AA in July when Trenton comes to CT to play the Rock Cats…the EL All-Star Game is also in New Britain this year, the day before their 4-game set; should be a great week!
Sorry to hijack the forum but I need a few more teams for my Yahoo fantasy league and would love to have some folks from LoHud – friends with high baseball IQs. It’s free, competitive and I have it set up so that it will be split into 2 divisions. Right now I have 12 teams as the max. Any/all the settings can be adjusted as need be. I’d appreciate some help filling the open spots. If this link doesn’t work, it’s Yahoo public league #89708 and the password is 1234. Please let me know if there are any problems. Again, sorry to use this space this way but I needed to get the word out there and this forum is great; would really like to see some of you there!
It’s a weird lookin’ address, but it worked when I copied/pasted. Thanks guys
http://y.ahoo.it/JuOufDXA
One of my friends is a huge Jets fan and he wanted to call them about the PSLs. He’s on the phone with them asking some questions and they’re telling him ‘look you better get them now because there are barely any left!’ which I knew was untrue lol. So as the convo continues he keeps looking at me to see if what the saleswoman was saying sounded kosher. She gave him some crazy number it would cost but followed up really quickly with a payment plan that she could put him on to make it super affordable…. I whispered ‘ask how much the interest is’ so he did and she came back with like 8-9%. I did the quick calculations on the total to show him how much the interest would cost him and he hung up on her. Told me he could get tickets on StubHub every week or from a friend.
Trish, I will get up there eventually. Things keep interfering, but I need to go visit my university and do some Rhody and Boston revisiting at some point. Hopefully, when the Yanks or SWB are in town.
Shame, Stubhub really isn’t like having seasons though. Same seat, same section, same people (not true at NYS anymore though; OYS was the best! NYS is a tourist trap.) But the cost is prohibitive, and you can’t control what your team does and doesn’t do in spite of the investment in them.
So, Stubhub becomes mighty attractive after the aura wears off and the financial realities trump romanticism.
fem – No doubt it isn’t the same, but because you can pick where you’re sitting, you can usually get the same sections week to week if that’s important to you. There is just very little upside to being a STH none the less taking out a mortgage for PSLs.
I don’t get the PSL thing at all… it made no sense to me when it was introduced.
Norris should be down in Tampa next time JRam pitches, so if it isn’t televised, at least we should have some video.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe
#RedSox sent LHP Franklin Morales (back) to Boston to get checked out. Waiting for results.
Shame, yeah the PSL thing sucks, but if you have been a STH with your family for 30 years and don’t want to sit upstairs, you have a tough decision. For a young person who doesn’t mind doing it last minute, the Hub is fine, but not so when we are talking a parents and grandparents kind of thing.
Exactly what are they learning with Nix at 3rd? What I am learning is he will be on the team along with Rivera. Musty will be in the minors. The only relatively young player who make make it are Neal or Mesa.
Has no one told the Yankees they are going to be offensively challenged and that Nix is a .230 hittter with little power?
I don’t get the decision making. It is always so very conservative. I guess it is as simple as let’s play the old guys even though they are not very good since we know what we are getting.
It’s obvious with the bodies missing from the Yankee batting order, that they are gonna have trouble scoring runs in comparison to seasons past. BUT, thus far, the Yanks have out-hit the opposition in the vast majorit of ST games. I know Girardi wants to see what some of these kids can do with the stick, so he just goes auto-pilot and lets ‘em swing away. At some point, Girardi has gotta show that he knows\remembers (?) how to go the small-ball route. Also, the composition of the batting order is HUGE when employing this method of scoring runs. On top of all that, unless it is late inna game, Jeet should be bunting when the DP is in order. Jeet has compiled a track record regarding the DP that can Not be ignored, especially with the anticipated scarcity of runs the Yankees are gonna score in 2013.
Go J. ram.
Glad to hear people complaining about the New Yankees Stadium. I miss the old one, including the old ticket prices. I miss the days where I could, even as a college student, buy some tickets down at field level. I actually miss the closed feel of the old place – I loved the walking out into the sunshine feeling when you emerged to the seats.
I mean.. you’d think a Popeyes or something would sell a Cajun filet biscuit.
Paco, they should have kept the overhang of the upper levels the same, but there are some rules about the dimensions and they went with more lower level seating that disallowed them to have the upper decks structured that way. Don’t quote me on that but I think I remember hearing that’s why it wasn’t built in the same manner.
Hafner in the 4 hole…………LMAO !
Deal With It March 14th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Hafner in the 4 hole…………LMAO !
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Presumably just to get him ABs. Not much in this game today to get excited about.
Shame Spencer says:
March 14, 2013 at 11:44 am
I mean.. you’d think a Popeyes or something would sell a Cajun filet biscuit.
There is only one Bojangles Cajun filet biscuit
blake March 14th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Shame Spencer says:
March 14, 2013 at 11:44 am
I mean.. you’d think a Popeyes or something would sell a Cajun filet biscuit.
There is only one Bojangles Cajun filet biscuit
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I know and it’s total bulls**t!! I need one man.. I NEED it.
What’s the over/under someone makes it their picture once LoHud starts letting us post selfies..?
“What’s the over/under someone makes it their picture once LoHud starts letting us post selfies..?”
I very well might…..I guess they don’t have them above the MD line
Better get used to Hafner hitting fourth. That is likely where he will hit against right handers with Youkilis hitting there against lefties. What other choices do they have–Nix, Cervelli, Rivera?
It’s a filet of what?
RAB talks about John McDonald as a better option than Nix/Nunez as a backup. Wonder if he’s still pissed at Arod for yelling “HAH” while running around the bases on that pop up that was dropped
For the first month of the season I might consider hitting Jeter 3rd. I know That makes for very light power, but it would be good to get all the OBP guys high in the lineup.
Gardner-Ichiro-Jeter-Cano-Youkilis-Hafner
@NYDNsports
Baseball Insider: Jose Reyes is the talk of the World Baseball Classic: http://nydn.us/ZClaB1
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People are talking about how the guys that were sent over the the Jays are going to take some time to adjust.. and I don’t disagree, but I also think there are probably no other players in the game with more motivation to do well than those guys. I could see them all having great years just to stick it to Loria.
Yankees88 March 14th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
For the first month of the season I might consider hitting Jeter 3rd. I know That makes for very light power, but it would be good to get all the OBP guys high in the lineup.
Gardner-Ichiro-Jeter-Cano-Youkilis-Hafner
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Need some speed at the bottom of the lineup too. I’d put Gardner 9th if he isn’t gonna leadoff
“It’s a filet of what?”
cajun fried chicken
austinmac March 14th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Better get used to Hafner hitting fourth. That is likely where he will hit against right handers with Youkilis hitting there against lefties. What other choices do they have–Nix, Cervelli, Rivera?
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I don’t see him hitting fourth. Personally, I like Yankees88 lineup with Cano 4th. Joe will probably get stuck in some antiquated logic that you cannot have both Gardner and Ichiro hitting 1-2, but I think that this lineup maximizes scoring opportunities while they wait for injury returns.
This just reminds me of how much they are going to miss Swisher in the lineup, especially given his ability to slide over and play a decent 1B. He is having a great spring (as is Chavez, and Ibanez for that matter, though I am personally glad to see Ibanez gone).
Tackelberry March 14th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Yankees88 March 14th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
For the first month of the season I might consider hitting Jeter 3rd. I know That makes for very light power, but it would be good to get all the OBP guys high in the lineup.
Gardner-Ichiro-Jeter-Cano-Youkilis-Hafner
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Need some speed at the bottom of the lineup too. I’d put Gardner 9th if he isn’t gonna leadoff
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Why would you take a guy that can score a lot of runs and guarantee him as few ABs as he can get? I don’t understand this logic. If he bats 9th all that means is that he will get fewer ABs. After the first time through the order he is basically in the same position as if he was 1st, but he won’t get as many plate appearances.
I’m a cajun cook (7 years training) and i make the best damn biscuits in NJ and i object to any corporate junk-food pusher calling anything they do cajun AND i object to anyone calling thier hockey pucks biscuits!
Go Team USA!
Ys,
Do you do cut biscuits, or dropped?
If hockey pucks tasted like popeyes biscuits I’d let Wayne Gretzky rocket them into my mouth from the blue line.
PacoDooley March 14th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Hopefully we don’t have to see that name in the 4 hole come the regular season. He should bat like 7th.
“I’m a cajun cook (7 years training) and i make the best damn biscuits in NJ and i object to any corporate junk-food pusher calling anything they do cajun AND i object to anyone calling thier hockey pucks biscuits!”
make me a Cajun filet chicken biscuit and I’ll be the judge…..I’ll need some seasoned fried and a sweet tea also for effect.
Damn it, Jerkface, now I’m jonesing for a Popeye’s biscuit.
PacoDooley March 14th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Tackelberry March 14th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Yankees88 March 14th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
For the first month of the season I might consider hitting Jeter 3rd. I know That makes for very light power, but it would be good to get all the OBP guys high in the lineup.
Gardner-Ichiro-Jeter-Cano-Youkilis-Hafner
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Need some speed at the bottom of the lineup too. I’d put Gardner 9th if he isn’t gonna leadoff
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Why would you take a guy that can score a lot of runs and guarantee him as few ABs as he can get? I don’t understand this logic. If he bats 9th all that means is that he will get fewer ABs. After the first time through the order he is basically in the same position as if he was 1st, but he won’t get as many plate appearances
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Its called balancing the lineup as best as possible. YOu want the last 3 spots in the lineup to all be dead wood and have nobody that can get on while they are all lumped at the top?
Its called balancing the lineup as best as possible. YOu want the last 3 spots in the lineup to all be dead wood and have nobody that can get on while they are all lumped at the top?
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Balancing the lineup is not a thing, unless you’re talking about ‘filling the lineup with good hitters in all spots’. It takes away PA from your good batters and gives them to bad ones. Putting Gardner, who may be one of the top OBP guys on the team next year, in the 9 spot again is worse.
Yes you want all your bad hitters clumped together, at the bottom of the lineup, that way at the end of the year they have the fewest PA and they aren’t killing the rallies that your good hitters are having.
Lineup construction is overrated.
Until Tex and Granderson come back and assuming Juan Rivera and Mustelier are both starters the lineup should be:
Gardner – CF
Jeter – SS
Ichiro – LF
Cano – 2b
Youk – 1b
Pronk – DH
Mustelier – 3b
Rivera – RF
Cervelli – C
Bench: Nix, Nunez, Stewart, Francisco
To do this the Yankees need to clear 4 spots off the 40 man roster for Nix, Francisco, Mustelier and Rivera. 2 of those spots are cleared by putting Pineda and Cabral on the 60 day DL. Not sure where they get two more spots from without cutting someone or doing a 2 for 1 deal
Cano will likely hit third, but I agree batting order is overrated. The bigger issue is the absence of many real hitters.
Batting order is overrated in the sense of who bats first. It’s not overrated in the sense of left/right set up or who you surround your best hitters with.
It would be nice to see Nunez hit a ball out of the infield.
i still have trouble rooting for youk
Youkilis just “crushed” a homer off Johnson.
Nunez is not a good hitter. He’s not a particularly good fielder. The sooner we, as Yankee fans, come to grips with the fact that he’s Freddy Bynum the better off we’ll be.
Anyone that has actually managed a team knows that lineup construction is Huge. Of course, you gotta have a battle plan in mind when when deciding who goes where in the lineup. NO 3-ring binder can help a Mgr that ain’t gotta clue, when it come to lineup construction, or in-game managing of the offense.
Hafner’s not had a good spring.
no TV for this game? Arg
kd March 14th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
i still have trouble rooting for youk
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Why? The guy has always been a hard nosed player. If he had played anywhere else but Boston, you’d have no trouble at all rooting for him. Never understood that thinking
I would love to root for Youkilis, but he has to be good from both sides of the plate for that to happen.
JRam starts w/a 93 mph DV. Go JRam!
Crap cervy drops the pop up.
Chip March 14th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Nunez is not a good hitter. He’s not a particularly good fielder. The sooner we, as Yankee fans, come to grips with the fact that he’s Freddy Bynum the better off we’ll be.
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I disagree that he is not a good hitter. He has hit very well the last 2 seasons when in there. Just having a rough Spring so far. I think he’ll hit
*FB not DV.
Nunez is a decent hitter for a SS v. LHP.
Somebody needs to ask Verlander his appraisal of Nunez assa Stick.
Jerkface March 14th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Hafner’s not had a good spring.
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Eh, neither did Ibanez last Spring, but that worked out OK
JRam full count 2x
Nunez can hit ok for a SS….he’s not the hitter a lot of folks think he is. Look at his minor league track record……he’s got some bat speed and some pop….but he’s a hacker who would probably have contact issues if he got enough big league time and teams got a good book on him. …..
the problem with Nunez is that his bat is ok for SS…..but his glove isn’t ok for SS….
sounds like JR is in some trouble….lets see how he responds
BB JRam throwing a lot of balls/pitches; doesn’t have his usual command, sounds like.
If Jeter doesn’t keep turning back the clock, or at least keep slowing it, if they don’t have anyone better (which would suck and be a major fail), Nunez is probably going to be the SS at some point.
They’re saying he’s missing armsude up and away.
^armside
Rich in NJ March 14th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
I would love to root for Youkilis, but he has to be good from both sides of the plate for that to happen.
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Since he’s not a switch hitter I don’t see this happening.
YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK
“Since he’s not a switch hitter I don’t see this happening.”
Eh, you know what I meant. If not, then v. both RH and LH pitching.
Retires Bautista
Rich in NJ March 14th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Nunez is a decent hitter for a SS v. LHP.
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Not really. Because his glove is so bad he needs to hit a lot better than he does to make it worth while to put him in the lineup.
Rich in NJ March 14th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
“Since he’s not a switch hitter I don’t see this happening.”
Eh, you know what I meant. If not, then v. both RH and LH pitching.
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I did, but since when has being snarky ever been taboo on this board?
From what has been reported, Nunez is working on a New throwing motion, and his foot work. It’s tough to do this at the MLB Level, and concentrate on other stuff like hitting.
He’s not locating.
Say what you will about Nunez… He saved us from the Cliff Lee contract.
4th outfielder Melky with the double
Rich in NJ March 14th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
If Jeter doesn’t keep turning back the clock, or at least keep slowing it, if they don’t have anyone better (which would suck and be a major fail), Nunez is probably going to be the SS at some point
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Jeter will be at SS at least through the 2014 season.
Good point he’s facing mostly lefties do far.
Feinstein is all like “Look You hit a HR! No need to worry about the Yankees power!”
How do these guys get jobs?
Seriously.
Do they sit in interview and see who can think using the most limited possible logic..?
good to have a little adversity
FiretheUMPIRE March 14th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Say what you will about Nunez… He saved us from the Cliff Lee contract.
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No he didn’t. Despite not getting him in the trade with Seattle the Yankees still went after Lee as a FA the following winter.
“Not really. Because his glove is so bad he needs to hit a lot better than he does to make it worth while to put him in the lineup.”
I am still of the belief that Nunez could be a decent SS if they lived with his errors for a prolonged period until eh relaxed.
Blake, he couldn’t even MAKE 4th OF in our current current stacked lineup.
JRam doesn’t have it today.
I think Feinsand and Murti are having a little fun with the fans. Last year everyone complained that they hit too many home runs, now everyone’s complaining that they don’t have enough home run hitters. So the writers are enjoying the irony of a fickle fan base.
JRam gets the hook.
Chip March 14th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Rich in NJ March 14th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
If Jeter doesn’t keep turning back the clock, or at least keep slowing it, if they don’t have anyone better (which would suck and be a major fail), Nunez is probably going to be the SS at some point
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Jeter will be at SS at least through the 2014 season.
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I gotta agree with Chip, I don’t think Nunez will ever be our starting SS.
Especially since our GM basically told us the idea of giving him 500 ABs was laughable…
More like the writers didnt understand the fans’ objections about the one dimensional “O.”
Warren in.
“Last year everyone complained that they hit too many home runs, now everyone’s complaining that they don’t have enough home run hitters.”
this statement is false and is pretty much made up by the media…..maybe there were a few dumb fans that complained about too many homers….but smart fans never wanted less homers….they just wanted more of the other stuff to balance the offense.
Only two hits, and they batted around. There’ll be another day, Ramirez. Hang in there. Actually, sort of glad this wasn’t on TV.
this statement is false and is pretty much made up by the media…..maybe there were a few dumb fans that complained about too many homers….but smart fans never wanted less homers….they just wanted more of the other stuff to balance the offense.”
Right. Let’s by all means dumb down what was actually said into the “cartoon”/idiot’s version.
sounds like a bad day for the pitchers
I hope Andrus is the next SS, but who knows with the way things are being run now.
Sitting through the toronto broadcast of a now 7-1 shellacking… not fun. This ones going off soon.
Chip March 14th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
I think Feinsand and Murti are having a little fun with the fans. Last year everyone complained that they hit too many home runs, now everyone’s complaining that they don’t have enough home run hitters. So the writers are enjoying the irony of a fickle fan base.
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C’mon Chip, you’re way too good and too smart to believe this.
There is no such thing as ‘too many home runs’ ever. There is such a thing as being overly reliant on power surges coming from already streaky hitters.
These Jays announcers are way too excited. It’s a ST game, guys, vs. kid pitchers.
Tough for a kid to get demoted and then be run out there. Sure, he Never had a chance to go North, but Everybody dreams, and that dream had a pin put in it.
…and with a lack of contact…
Fans love HR. They love hits. They love runs. They love wins. If that’s wrong, I don;t want to be right.
Real Melky hitting the CB unlike Fake Melky. Not that Warren has a great curve …
Rich, did you mean to sing it?: “If loving offense is wrong, I don’t want to be right?”…
Shame Spencer March 14th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Chip March 14th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
I think Feinsand and Murti are having a little fun with the fans. Last year everyone complained that they hit too many home runs, now everyone’s complaining that they don’t have enough home run hitters. So the writers are enjoying the irony of a fickle fan base.
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C’mon Chip, you’re way too good and too smart to believe this.
There is no such thing as ‘too many home runs’ ever. There is such a thing as being overly reliant on power surges coming from already streaky hitters.
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I didn’t say I believe that the team was too reliant on HRs. I do think the team last year was too one dimensional offensively but that’s neither here or there. I just think that the writers are having a little fun trolling the fans.
By the way, is “Melky” short for something, like Melchior or something?
Big Josh (as opposed to the other one) looking good sounds like. If he stays healthy, watch out!
I didn’t say I believe that the team was too reliant on HRs. I do think the team last year was too one dimensional offensively but that’s neither here or there. I just think that the writers are having a little fun trolling the fans.
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Understood.. but when the fans are make better arguments than the writers, that’s a problem.
Real Melky is simply “Melky.” Melky Mesa is actually
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Melquisdec.
I don’t even care if they win the whole shebang – I just cannot wait to see fewer Ks
yankeefem,
Left me hanging!
MelkoPEDiac.
A thought as I turn off the brutal radio broadcast, some refer to many board members are over pessimistic. It is interesting all but one prediction regarding team wins are
over the Vegas line
Sorry on my iPhone. It wouldnt accept Mesa’s name
yankeefeminista -
Last time out, in his last inning, they were checking JRam’s finger; perhaps he has a blister that hasn’t healed fully? Or was aggravated?
It is interesting all but one prediction regarding team wins are over the Vegas line
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What the Vegas prediction again? I forget.
Doreen March 14th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
yankeefeminista -
Last time out, in his last inning, they were checking JRam’s finger; perhaps he has a blister that hasn’t healed fully? Or was aggravated?
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He had one in his last outting..
Cashmoney stood still in the batter box as the ball took off in a long deep arc toward RF porch, a thought or two float up in his head, ” Am I better than the Babe? , Are they going to bean me next AB cuz I am just standing here?”
Break out the pickle brine.
Vegas does well with Football. MLB? NOPE
Signing melky cabrera should of been a no brainer, he’s always had talent.Who cares about the steroids? We don’t care that andy pettite and Arod both admittingly used them and are on the team. So why not a potential all star? You think his body is going to give back all that mass from when he was “officially” recorded as doing roids?
” I just think that the writers are having a little fun trolling the fans”
I think they are in Cashman’s jock.
NPR News ?@nprnews
Pope Francis’ Sister: ‘I Prayed That He Wouldn’t Be Chosen’
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Heh
Hard to respect a so-called journalist that would immediately call the agent of Larry Jones, and inquire about his playing on the Yanks, while Cashman sat there waiting. That’s Not a journalist, that’s a Lap Dog.
Shame,
It is 86.5, I think.
12-1 and only 5 outs in? Sounds like they should be grateful there is no video from this game.
whoa just turned this on thinking it would be the 4th or 5th.
12-1 in the second?
Maybe it’s a fair criticism to say many fans didn’t appreciate how good last year’s offense was, saying “they’re too home run dependent.”
Maybe it’s a fair criticism to say many fans didn’t appreciate how good last year’s offense was, saying “they’re too home run dependent.”
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Maybe, except NONE of Toronto’s 12 runs were off a HR, unless i am misreading.
Shows you do NOT need homeruns to score.
“Maybe it’s a fair criticism to say many fans didn’t appreciate how good last year’s offense was, saying “they’re too home run dependent.”
So they have to tank the offense to get people to realize that?
Last year’s offensive was unbalanced, which is a very suboptimal way to construct one.
The peaks and valleys of Ibanez’s season, kind of typified what the offense was about.
Last year’s offense wasn’t perfect. It was still a very good offense.
I guess fans should want a perfect offense, why not, but I really don’t think folks appreciated the OBP/SLG based model.
It was still better than The Giants offense, hell, it was still better than the Tigers offense for an entire season.
It was an offensive that was more likely to go into slumps.
No, fans want balance. Why is that wrong?
Rich in NJ March 14th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
It was an offensive that was more likely to go into slumps.
No, fans want balance. Why is that wrong?
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“More likely to go into slumps.” Has anyone proven this? I haven’t looked into it myself, but slumps are usually a part of the season.
It is not wrong. It’s just slightly spoiled, is all. It was a very good offense, and it was better than either World Series teams’ offense.
There was a lot of resentment towards last year’s team. There’s nothing wrong with wanting perfection, but it was a good team. That’s the only point I’m trying to make.
Gardner – CF
Jeter – SS
Ichiro – LF
Cano – 2b
Youk – 1b
Pronk – DH
Mustelier – 3b
Rivera – RF
Cervelli – C
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Don’t see Rivera in RF. See Francisco. Can see Rivera at 1st and Youk at 3rd. Don’t think they will expose Musty to Lester/Opening Day scrutiny.
Yankees need guys that can hit .300 AND they need a manager who understands putting the best hitters together in the lineup, whether it is L/L/L or not.
If the top 4 in this lineup on any day are not some combo of 1/2/3 Gardner, Ichiro, Jeter and 4 is Cano, there is something very wrong in JoeG’s head.
There are your possible .300 hitters and speed (since i doubt gardner will hit .300).
Don’t see Rivera in RF. See Francisco. Can see Rivera at 1st and Youk at 3rd. Don’t think they will expose Musty to Lester/Opening Day scrutiny.
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Or Rivera or Nunez can DH opening day since i dont see Hafner facing Lester.
“Has anyone proven this? I haven’t looked into it myself, but slumps are usually a part of the season.”
It’s logical. If a hitter is swinging from the heels rather than looking to hit the ball where it is pitched, his chances of making contact necessarily have to go down.
“It is not wrong. It’s just slightly spoiled, is all. It was a very good offense, and it was better than either World Series teams’ offense.”
You know what’s spoiled? Being told you can rebuild in NY.
If was in no way close to the 2009 offense.
“There was a lot of resentment towards last year’s team. There’s nothing wrong with wanting perfection, but it was a good team. That’s the only point I’m trying to make.”
No one wants perfection. Invoking that is to distract from the real flaws in some very poor roster construction.
Yeah, it was a good team. Spending $200m usually yields a good team? Is that enough when TB spends a fraction and also has a good team? I don’t think so.
Cashman is the one who, when he got more power in 2006, extolled the virtues of big bucks and great decision-making. By his test, he has fallen short.
Opening day: My guess based on what i want, and what is realistic knowing the yankees wont give Musty a real chance.
Gardner
Jeter
Ichiro
Cano
Youkilis
Hafner
Rivera
Nunez (DH)
Cervelli
Though i doubt Girardi keeps ichiro at the top or moves jeter to 3rd in the lineup.
Also, if not Ichiro on opening day, i would have Nunez near the top (speed, righty v lester).
I think outside the box, not based on a binder.
I hope what happened to Ibanez after a horrible spring happens to Hafner who is also having a horrible spring. (We need him to do what ibanez did in april last year).
I must say pitching depth feels a bit less as the game progresses.
Yeah, it was a good team. Spending $200m usually yields a good team? Is that enough when TB spends a fraction and also has a good team? I don’t think so.
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Yankees were a better team. Best in the league, in fact.
No one has mentioned rebuilding in NY. They’ve decided they will not go the rebuilding route. If they were, they would have traded Cano and Granderson.
Logic is deceiving. I don’t know if last year’s team scored more runs in bunches, than teams in Yankee years past, but I’ve never seen anyone prove it. Maybe if I’ve got some time later I’ll look into it on BA.
I think Olney is going to cream his pants if he hasn’t already over this. Who would have known beating the Yankees minor league pitchers is so awesome?
Just one of those days for the good guys today. Yankees have been playing better as of late so no biggie.
I must say pitching depth feels a bit less as the game progresses.
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I think it is just one of those days where one pitcher blows and the rest come in and blow too…
Happens!
2006 All Star team
If CoJo had any chance of opening eyes this spring, his fielding has put a speedy hault to that.
If we can go back to being a team that works the count with a higher OBP, we won’t have to rely on the HR as we did last year.
Full years of Ichiro, Gardner and Youkilis should allow for situational hitting and make up for some of the lost RBI the HRs produced.
“Yankees were a better team. Best in the league, in fact.”
No they weren’t; they didn’t win. The best team necessarily wins. But even assuming your point for the sake of argument, the opportunity costs of bad decisions were high.
“No one has mentioned rebuilding in NY. They’ve decided they will not go the rebuilding route. If they were, they would have traded Cano and Granderson.”
Yeah, that’s a spoiled mindset
“Logic is deceiving. I don’t know if last year’s team scored more runs in bunches, than teams in Yankee years past, but I’ve never seen anyone prove it. Maybe if I’ve got some time later I’ll look into it on BA.”
How can you get hits if you don’t put the ball in play?
They all shoulda stood in bed.
- ac1
Your posted lineup has Nunez at DH. So you got Hafner at 1B?
Your posted lineup has Nunez at DH. So you got Hafner at 1B?
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Not on opening day.
I dont put Hafner in vs. lefties.
Lester is a lefty.
So Hafner sits opening day.
injuries are forcing Giro’s hand a bit early in the season, but the good news is that Grandy will only K 160 times this year. Not including however many Ks went unreported went he was fit for the cast, when he got back in his car, and when he settled into his couch
Or Rivera or Nunez can DH opening day since i dont see Hafner facing Lester.
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Agree.
Might see Francisco in RF or LF over Rivera .
Rally! Now 16-2.
No they weren’t; they didn’t win. The best team necessarily wins. But even assuming your point for the sake of argument, the opportunity costs of bad decisions were high.
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Huh?
Their offense was still better over the course of 162 games, versus a maximum of 29 games in a post season. If you don’t recognize sample size, then we can’t honestly review the team’s performance.
“Yeah, that’s a spoiled mindset”
Not sure where you’re going here… my point was we’re not rebuilding, no Yankees official has mentioned rebuilding, but you said rebuilding is spoiled… so you’re point is?
“How can you get hits if you don’t put the ball in play?”
Well, we’re talking runs here, not hits. They’re not the same.
I see Rivera and Ben Francisco making the team as the 4th of and ib (rivera) and of (francisco).
Dont see Almonte or Mesa making it.
Still wondering if they give Musty a chance.
I see Francisco as LF, Gardner CF, Ichiro RF (Rivera 4th of)
Youk / Musty (3b,) jeter ss, cano 2b, (Rivera/Youk 1b)
cervelli c
DH Hafner v lefties and Jeter/Nunez/Rivera v righties
bench : stewie, nunez (ss/RHDH), Nix (IF/OF), Rivera (4th OF/1b/dh/etc)
“Or Rivera or Nunez can DH opening day since i dont see Hafner facing Lester.”
does it really matter?
Bat Nunez 9th for speed’s sake.
Then Gardner, Jeter, Ichiro, Cano, Youk3B,Francisco, Rivera 1B, Cervelli, Nunez DH.
does it really matter?
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That Hafner shouldn’t face Lester?
YES!
Boston looks even worse than we do this year, we need to beef up our win total by beating them.
I can’t seem to find the game audio or video on MLB TV
I found a 16 to 2 score -are the Toronto Argonauts playing the New York Jets?
Musty should make the team over Diaz and Johnson.
He provides versatility as he can play any corner inc. 1st.
He’s also got a better bat.
“Huh?
Their offense was still better over the course of 162 games, versus a maximum of 29 games in a post season. If you don’t recognize sample size, then we can’t honestly review the team’s performance.”
Well, we’re talking runs here, not hits. They’re not the same thing.”
But the most reliable way to score runs is to take a situational approach, especially in tough spots v. good pitchers who are on their game. This team has not been good at that, which is an important reason why they don’t have as much playoff success as their regular season record might indicate they should to some.
Sure, the huge payroll advantage has its maximum impact in the regular season, but there is a reason beyond luck that the 1996-2000 teams won four WS, and those reasons haven’t been present very much since about 2005.
“Not sure where you’re going here… my point was we’re not rebuilding, no Yankees official has mentioned rebuilding, but you said rebuilding is spoiled… so you’re point is?”
My point is that to call anyone who criticizes the offense “spoiled,” as you did, is ridiculous. So as long as you have chosen to enter that realm, I will set my own standard for spoiled.
Rich in NJ March 14th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Lineup construction is overrated.
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Indeed – except for R/L ordering to deal with relievers. This is one of those things that is disappearing in the era of advanced metrics and a reliance on evidence rather than on old fashioned rules of the game. Just get your best hitters the most PAs and you will score the most runs. Balancing a lineup by mixing the good and the bad hitters just dilutes your ability to score runs and gives PAs to the worse hitters.
Bah. My point is I liked last year’s team, they were statistically a very good team, but there’s still a lot of resentment towards that team.
I think the “too home run dependent” criticism is fair to some extent, they’re weren’t the best offense in the league, just one of the best. OK. Make of that what you will. It was still better than the either the Tigers’ or Giant’s offense.
After that, the discussion goes in circles. I guess that’s fine. We disagree.
Again, if you have an offensive plan-of-attack, the lineup construction is Crucial. Different sticks have the ability to do or Not do different things. You optimize those skills in conjunction with your offensive plan.
Slumps are part of baseball; the key is to win anyway. I’d say the Yankees managed that. 95 times.
“Bah. My point is I liked last year’s team, they were statistically a very good team, but there’s still a lot of resentment towards that team.”
No one is trying to deny you an opinion. But by calling people spoiled who don’t share your view, it’s almost as if you are trying to deny them the right to fairly disagree.
“That Hafner shouldn’t face Lester?”
no….Nunez or Rivera at DH….I mean as is the lineup isn’t going to be very good whatever they do…..they have to find a way to survive the first 6 weeks or so.
The SP will keep the Yankees in games. A Billy Ball style of offensive baseball will be required till the Cavalry arrives.
DONNYBROOK March 14th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Again, if you have an offensive plan-of-attack, the lineup construction is Crucial. Different sticks have the ability to do or Not do different things. You optimize those skills in conjunction with your offensive plan.
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I just don’t buy it and I imagine that a careful experiment or analysis would prove this logic false. If you get guys on base you want the guys after them to get hits. I think that there are a lot of these rules of thumb that have made sense to baseball people for decades and are really based on nothing more than tradition and intuition.
The yanks opening day lineup will be
Jeter DH
Ichiro RF
Robbie 2B
Youkilis 3B
Rivera 1B
Nunez SS
Velli C
Gardy LF
Mesa CF
Get used to it….I would prefer that Youk were @ 1B with Musty @ 3b batting 6th with this lineup.
I mean as is the lineup isn’t going to be very good whatever they do…..
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If it’s good enough to win is all that matters.
Doesn’t even have to be as good as last years.
What happens when Tex and Grandy return and the 2 of them bring down a lineup that was working, producing enough runs to win behind good pitching?
Wasn’t Mesa already sent down?
No. Zoilo was. Mesa is still in it.
TYJF.
Cano is batting 3rd guys. You can take that to the bank
Intuition is akin to a hunch = an idea, thought or concept based on passed experience. ALWAYS, play your hunch.
champ809 March 14th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Cano is batting 3rd guys. You can take that to the bank
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Likely, but who bats 4th until they injured return?
Cano is batting 3rd guys. You can take that to the bank
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and jeter will prolly leadoff, at least for now.
the key would be to try something different upfront but not joes wont to do.
he is good for one major change per year altho he has a different order everyday.
“If it’s good enough to win is all that matters.”
it might be….but they are going to have to hit the ground running with the rotation and pen. I honestly think they are going to struggle to score runs all season at times but it could be really rough early. The pitching is going to have to carry the load and keep them afloat……
Wherever Cano bats, he’s gonna get pitched around at every opportunity. Whoever you got behind Cano IS the area of concern. This gets back to lineup construction.
the idea should be to lengthen the lineup so that the bottom of the order does not suck.
hence cano 4, youk or hafner 6th.
I honestly think they are going to struggle to score runs all season at times
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were you one of those guys who cried over too many HRs last year?
If Jeter, Ichiro and Gardner are getting on base ahead of Cano, Youk, Hafner, Tex and Grandy why won’t they score?
“the idea should be to lengthen the lineup so that the bottom of the order does not suck.”
it’s probably going to suck however they stack it…..if they bat Gardner or Ichiro 9th then they won’t suck….but about 6-8 is going to be kinda bad however they stack it for awhile
Francesa sez:
Jeter not in Mantle’s class.
Mantle was a god.
But Jeter is also a god.
But not Mantle.
“were you one of those guys who cried over too many HRs last year?”
nobody did that…..that is a media made up narrative…..who actually would want less home runs? What you want is lots of home runs…..and lots of other types of runs too. What the Yankees did is decrease the homers by a lot…..and then maybe marginally added to the other ways they can score……which most likely is going to result in a net loss for the offense
Jeter not in Mantle’s class.
Mantle was a god.
But Jeter is also a god.
But not Mantle.
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Shows the power of the HR.
Swisher and Martin were “hero swingers” as coined here.
I don’t read much of what the reporters write and 1st saw that term here.
If we score enough to win that’s enough.
There still are enough guys who can hit HRs on this team.
Usually a Mgr wants his Best stick to bat in the 1st inning and give his team the opportunity of getting on the board quickly. That would put Cano in the 3 Hole. I could see Ichiro batting cleanup, and a Thumper like Hafner behind him. Lefty-Lefty-Lefty so what.
(1) JEET
(2) GARDNER
(3) CANO
(4) ICHIRO
(5) THUMPER
What fans do Not like is the “Home Run or No Run” we saw last season.
who actually would want less home runs? What you want is lots of home runs…..and lots of other types of runs too.
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if you have a lineup stacked with one dimensional HR hitters you will not get the situational hitting we all wanted last year.
“If we score enough to win that’s enough.”
I agree that if we score more runs than the other team we will win.
“if you have a lineup stacked with one dimensional HR hitters you will not get the situational hitting we all wanted last year.”
nobody wants that….good hitters is what you want….trading flaws for different kinds of flaws gets you nowhere
“What fans do Not like is the “Home Run or No Run” we saw last season.”
yes…..you want homers….you just don’t want that to be the only way you can score
but about 6-8 is going to be kinda bad however they stack it for awhile
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6th should not suck with either Hafner or Youk there.
that leaves 7 & 8….with options like Rivera, Francisco, Mustelier.
yes…..you want homers….you just don’t want that to be the only way you can score
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which is what we had last year.
.good hitters is what you want
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and good hitters , as you know, are not defined just by BA but OBP.
working the count.
between gardner, jeter and ichiro then cano youk and pronk i can see 50 pitch 1st innings.
http://yankees.mlblogs.com/201.....ring-home/
Forgive me if this piece has been linked already but as someone who grew up a diehard Yankee fan in the 80s and also idolized Dan Marino, I found it particularly fascinating.
My love for Mattingly during my teens turned me into a Yankee fan in the very same fashion that my love for Marino turned me into a Dolphins fan. Needless to say, the Dolphins haven’t exactly given their fans much to celebrate since 1972 (two years before I was born).
Unfortunately…neither of my boyhood idols were fortunate enough to finish their careers with at least one championship on their resumes.
“between gardner, jeter and ichiro then cano youk and pronk i can see 50 pitch 1st innings.”
lot of uncertainty there…..maybe if this was 2007
between gardner, jeter and ichiro then cano youk and pronk i can see 50 pitch 1st innings.
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Haven’t the Yankees been criticized over the past couple of seasons for no longer grinding out at bats
Jeter and Ichiro don’t work the count, and working the count is only valuable if you’re also getting on base.
Neither does Cano for that matter. And no way should Ichiro be anywhere near cleanup.
JF – What’s your optimal line up construction when Tex and Grandy are back?
I think this is mine…? I don’t even know…
Gardner
Jeter
Cano
Tex
Youk
Ichi
Grandy
Hafner
Cervelli
v. LHP that’s fine.
v. RHP I think you move Ich, Grandy, Hafner up and Tex and Youk down.
Jeter and Ichiro don’t work the count, and working the count is only valuable if you’re also getting on base.
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Untrue. Ever hear of a productive out?
In the old days many pitchers were at the 100 pitch mark vs the Yanks by the 5th inning.
Some of these outs were 10 pitch AB’s that resulted in strikeouts.
Actually no Haf v. LHP
You’re not getting 20 pitch innings unless you’re getting guys on base.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5mHPo2yDG8
this is hilarious if you guys haven’t seen it yet…..they say its real but I dunno…..he about scares this dude to death
I wish it was real but apparently it was staged by, I think, Pepsi
“I wish it was real but apparently it was staged by, I think, Pepsi”
they say it’s real….I have my doubts
Jeter & Ichiro will make the pitcher work and they don’t strikeout. As will Gardner and Youk.
They will go deep in the count.
We will see more walks this year and a more patient approach at the plate.
This will result in 20 pitch innings.
In the old days many pitchers were at the 100 pitch mark vs the Yanks by the 5th inning.
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You just said it yourself in the old days
Jeter & Ichiro will make the pitcher work and they don’t strikeout.
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Absolutely not true. Both are below league average in number of pitches seen per plate appearance.
Gardner and Youkilis actually do lead the league in P/PA, so yes, they will run up pitch counts. Thats why Gardner should leadoff.
You just said it yourself in the old days
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I guarantee you this team will be more patient than last years.
Absolutely not true. Both are below league average in number of pitches seen per plate appearance.
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But they are great hitters with great eyes that can adapt unlike typical sluggers who are one dimensional and cannot change.
But they are great hitters with great eyes that can adapt unlike typical sluggers who are one dimensional and cannot change.
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It doesn’t matter if they don’t get on base. Jeter should be hitting 2nd, but unless Ichiro is hitting .330 he belongs in the lower portion of the batting lineup.
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hehehehe.
Gardner and Youkilis actually do lead the league in P/PA, so yes, they will run up pitch counts. Thats why Gardner should leadoff.
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Most likely they will work the count full and result in close to 10 pitch AB’s.
Even if they average 15 pitches between them that leaves only 5 pitches between ichiro and jeter to get to 20.
Jeter ichiro gardner youk in the top 5 of the lineup will give pitchers fits is all im saying…
It doesn’t matter if they don’t get on base.
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they don’t have to get on base if they are making the pitcher work.
the next hitter can get that benefit.
I think there is a handedness thing about which hitters you want at the top of the lineup.
“Thats why Gardner should leadoff.”
Jeter bats like .400 or something when he swings at the first pitch though…..i’m fine with him not working counts as long as he gets on base. Working counts is great and all if the result is good often enough…..working the count and making a lot of outs doesn’t help much…..luckily when Gardner is healthy he does a little of both.
Jeter ichiro gardner youk in the top 5 of the lineup will give pitchers fits is all im saying…
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Maybe if they were all in their prime, but they’re not. Youk isn’t giving right handers fits, neither is Jeter.
Theres no way all 3 of those guys are going to be in the top of the order. Nor should they be, unless Ichiro is somehow OPSing .800.
I would stack the lineup vs RHP as such
Gardner
Jeter
Cano
Youk
Hafner
whatever
whoever
whichever
Ichiro
Actually I might put a mustache and a wig on Cano and try to let him bat again for Whatever or Whichever.
That’s like Abbott and Costello doing whoever bat’s 6th, 7th, and 8th.
blake March 14th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Actually I might put a mustache and a wig on Cano and try to let him bat again for Whatever or Whichever.
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It did take the umpires a half an inning to realize Bobby V. was still Bobby V. with a black tape mustache…
I think Francisco has more hits then Dan Johnson in 2 games with the Yankees then Johnson has had in 3 weeks. B-)
mick March 14th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
You just said it yourself in the old days
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I guarantee you this team will be more patient than last years.
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Will they be better?
Will they be better?
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I can imagine them getting off to a good start then having to insert Grandy and Tex which could destroy the chemistry.
I don’t think it would destroy the chemistry. That has a better chance of happening in a sport like basketball.
The only negative that Granderson or Tex’s return could cause is v. LH and RH pitching, respectively, and given the current other options, I am not too worried about that happening.
If Mustelier and Rivera are hitting when Tex gets back, Musty could be sent down.
If Francisco is hitting when Grandy returns he will lose AB’s.
Good problems to have…
OT, but this is pretty interesting. Look at the evolution of technology in people’s lives in St. Peter’s Square in just 8 years:
http://instagram.com/p/W2BuMLQLRB/
Will they be better?
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When a team like the Giants can win it all it shows there is a formula.
how have we made it this far without our devices?
UCLA comes back from 16 to win and cover the 4 points……..Conversation by some of the scouts in Florida is that The Yankees really would like to see Phelps in the rotation when camp breaks which allows Phillip Hughes to be rehabbed at a nice safe pace. Phelps has opened eyes and seems to have taken the next step
pat m…why wouldn’t they want phelps to succeed?
hughes is gone next season.
The Giants were 3rd in the NL in AVG last season, 4th OBP.
I can imagine them getting off to a good start then having to insert Grandy and Tex which could destroy the chemistry.
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I’d be more worried about the other guy on the DL. The one with the hip.
The Giants have dynamite starting pitching and an all world catcher
Rich in NJ March 14th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
OT, but this is pretty interesting. Look at the evolution of technology in people’s lives in St. Peter’s Square in just 8 years:
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Crazy when you think about it
mick…..you’re comment confuses me ??? Word is that the Front Office values Phelps more than Nova at least when clubs come calling to inquire….. …As for Hughes, well he’s going to be good this season and will be in line for a nice paycheck.. Question around the spring camps is this, can the NY Yankees really afford to let him walk … 2014 rotation could be an issue
AAO
It makes you wonder what people will be using in another 8 years.
It will probably chips implanted in our hands
The Giants were 3rd in the NL in AVG last season, 4th OBP.
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which makes my point.
they were a more efficient and better team than us with all of our power.
Question around the spring camps is this, can the NY Yankees really afford to let him walk … 2014 rotation could be an issue
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pat m….my point is that with their current way of operating, they could very well let hughes go while nova and phelps are cost controlled.
“they were a more efficient and better team than us with all of our power.”
OK, I thought the point was that their offensive wasn’t that good, but that may have been another discussion with someone else earlier today.
I’d be more worried about the other guy on the DL. The one with the hip.
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That could cut into Youk’s abs but why worry?
OK, I thought the point was that their offensive wasn’t that good, but that may have been another discussion with someone else earlier today.
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well i guess offense is relative.
also the sum of the parts could be greater than one great component.
It will probably chips implanted in our hands
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would these chips replace hand held devices?
mick… Sabathia, Pineda, Phelps, Nova & ???? .. There’s a need for Hughes, especially after he puts up the same numbers as Pettite and or Kuroda. I think he’s a 17-18 game winner with a 3.70 era . If so the bidding with start at 4 / 48
If so the bidding with start at 4 / 48
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pat m…you think they pay him?
what if jo ram lights it up?
kuroda, andy? no farewell tour this year, maybe next…
If he puts up the numbers you posted the.bidding starts at five for sixty.
@Mick they probably will replace hand held devices
yanks are not the top bidders anymore so they do not have an advantage.
aao
so we can take photos with our hands and talk into them as well?
would you go for that?
whether phil wins 10 or 17 should not determine his worth.
it’s the quality of his starts.
Blade Runner is only 6 years away. Can’t wait for a rotation of replicants!
The writers will complain that the replicants are ruining baseball, all their precious records lost like tears in the rain.
@PeteAbe
RT @HeidiWatney: David Wright scratched from #USA lineup with a sore back.
@mlbtraderumors: Craig Gentry Drawing Trade Interest http://t.co/0PcO9yLlXO #mlb
There were some Gentry for Joba rumors floating around….I don’t know if they can actually move Joba right now as bad as Aardsma has looked unless you’re clearly winning the trade
@MLB: BREAKING: @USABaseball 3B David Wright OUT with sore back. Willie Bloomquist will play 3B.
Crap
Oh, no! Poor Wright. Poor Mets…
at some point or twice K.Y. will visit the DL this year….in 9 years in the majors only has over 500 AB’s 3 times…in the last 3 years he’s only played in 344 of a possible 486 games
Hi Joe, be careful on those line every step of the way, blake, I’ve got a trade for you, Shame, hope u don’t have to put up with some employee’s smelly feet
mick March 14th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
aao
so we can take photos with our hands and talk into them as well?
would you go for that?
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No but you can’t stop technology
Here’ my trade. Cano wouldn’t mind playing with Reyes. You need outfielders. Colby goes to you along with Aaron Sanchez and catcher Jimenez who is defensively better than that guy I gave to the Mets. The deal is contingent upon a long term Cano contract here. Win, win, u get to see me happy for a few, and u build on and on.
R.A. just handled that .600 hitting (when it doesn’t count) R. Cano
Please don’t mega-deal Manny err, Robinson Cano!
Stop technology?,….I’m still on records.
Bautista is healthy enough to be playing in the WBC, WTF is going on? I have a sneaking suspicion its about babying arms through six.
Dustin McGowan is once again an arm in the Jays’ system. An amazing tale if he makes it all the way back! Double A said today he has the best stuff on the team; suck on that Dave Stieb!!!
USA needs to pound this dude.
I just saw the 17-5 result for today and that Ramirez got knocked out early.
I play golf very close to the Jays stadium in Dunedin and it was really windy out there today (15-20 plus some gusts) and was blowing south to north, that’s almost directly out to left field, right?
That’s what spring training is all about, it will be good for him in the long run.
Mg, that’s the spirit. Sorry about the Springsteen comment again BTW – arrogant of me. Saw him at old Exhibition Stadium ( the disaster by the lake ). He played for 4 hours but I could hardly see his ’84 self!
Hanley crushed
Yowza!
What a bomb
GO USA!!
COME HOME ROBBY!!!
As Reggie said about the knuckleball that Charlie Hough threw him back in 77′ “It didn’t knuckle”
Hanley can show flashes of the guy that was a top 5 player every now and then
Go USA!
ouuch, what a bomb.
On the whole, this is a stupid competition, everybody’s afraid to show up$. Verlander and Trout,….put a hole in their heart.
COME HOME ROBBY!!!
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I forgot about that benefit of a Dominican loss. Definitely.
Vamos Estados Unidos!!!
I hope Jays fans enjoyed watching that Dickey to JP pass-ball-preview.
Trish,…you’re supposed to be cheering for les Italians
Pky, I’ve got Blanco to take care of things.
All the bunting joe Torre
All those years Joe secretly wanted to manage the Bronx Bunters
Trish, as you know, I don’t have TV, who’s winning?
Good to see Angel Hernandez is equally bad in the WBC
knock him in
Maybe Buntings gone to Joe’s head, but he ” seamed ” to do pretty good right by you guys.
Is there no chance Robbie doesn’t end up on my team this year?,,…’Cause Alomar’s too old to play.
Hi jmills!
I did a hit-and-run because I’m actually watching a trial right now and just did a quick switch to check out the score.
It’s 1-1 right now.
See ya in a while!
I didn’t know Dickey had such a pickoff move.
Hi Tom, I want to tell you train stories. I surely do hope you and your partner are well, and that you have something good in the oven mon ami.
@TBrownYahoo: Derrek Lee has decided to stay retired, according to source. Has turned down offer to play for Yankees.
@TBrownYahoo: Derrek Lee has decided to stay retired, according to source. Has turned down offer to play for Yankees.
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Make Thome an offer.
I don’t want Jim Thome right now
Sorry, Jim, you are indeed, HOF.
jmills,
All is well here, thanks for asking. Dinner’s over, and it was good. I’m a tall skinny guy who needs about 3000 calories to stay even, like I have a tape worm or something (I don’t). The wife is trying to lose a few pounds for her daughter’s wedding in May, and I’m trying to gain about 15 pounds by then so my tuxedo will fit. She’s never been big on lunch, so that’s when I pack on the calories. Dinner tends to be Atkins-like. Tonight, broiled tilapia, broccoli and a salad.
Save the train stories, because while I’d love to hear them, I have to check out of here in a little while. Big (and early) morning tomorrow.
Hi Mick, you know a lot ’bout musique, but u need a little, Rush.
I’ve wasted all my tears,
Wasted all those years.
And nothing had the chance to be good,
Cause nothing ever could, yeah.
Lyrics from eLyrics.net
Got ya’ Sargeant!
According to Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News, Yankee and Red Sox scouts are in attendance at today’s Rangers game. This builds upon the trade speculation, after we heard that a Ranger’s senior scout was in attendance to watch Joba Chamberlain. Of the players that could be available, today’s game featured David Murphy, Mitch Moreland, Craig Gentry, Elvis Andrus, and Mike Olt (at third base). Geovany Soto is unlikely to play today, and for those wishing on Jurisckson Profar, he’s off to the WBC. The Rangers don’t have a ton of depth in the outfield, so I don’t think David Murphy or Craig Gentry will be moved. Mitch Moreland makes sense at the moment, but his defense in right field is awful, and there’s no place to put him once Mark Teixeira returns. Mike Olt is still a possibility, but he only came into the came in the 6th inning. For inquiring minds, the Red Sox, who are also scouting today’s game, have similar needs to the Yankees, as they’d like to acquire some depth in the outfield, as well as a possible corner infielder now that David Ortiz is facing setbacks.
Joe, I can’t open those sites, but I like Blondie a lot ( for understandable reasons ).
YT, give me your second baseman!
Well if you told me you were drowning
I would not lend a hand
I’ve seen your face before, my friend
But I don’t know if you know who I am?
Well I was there and I saw what you did
I saw it with my own two eyes
So you can wipe off that grin
Know where you’ve been
It’s all been a pack of lies
Jmills
You can have our 3rd baseman when he comes back.
Joe, that Phil Collins song is great! Go tell, against all odds.
YT, don’t go and try and trick me
I watched the world float to the dark side of the moon
After all I knew it had to be something to do with you
I really don’t mind what happens now and then
As long as you’ll be my friend at the end
Rebel souls
Deserters we’ve been called
Chose a gun
And threw away the sun
Now these towns
they all know our names
The death punch
sound is our claim
to fame
I am sorry to hear what the guitar player / songwriter in the band, Chicago, did. We all have to be careful, no matter what
It’s pretty awful when a HP umpire makes the game almost unwatchable. You have to swing at anything from chalk line to chalk line because you never know what he’s going to call. No consistency at all, he’s just awful.
Joe, that Robbie Williams is intense.
Sorta’ circumvec, Robin.
Bad To The Bone = Milan Lucic
Bad to the bone,……Madonna’s first album!
Tar, agreed, the ump should bloody well know what he’s doing in said situation.
Jamie Oleksiak
Joeman, Boston has the best that there ever was – Orr
#4
jmills March 14th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
I don’t want Jim Thome right now
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You wouldn’t be looking at getting a 1st baseman would you?
UnKnown, I could use a 1st b man as well. Carew.
Heyman says the Rangers are going to trade Andrus next offseason if they can’t work out an extension.
OK. It sounded like you were commenting as a Yankee fan.
But we all know your thing is that you like the Jays, right…
what are you waiting for? a curve ball with 3-2 count?
Big wow on that play by Stanton. You just don’t see that very often.
Wow that was the worst strike call I’ve ever seen
US will choke? wow
Jerkface says:
March 14, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Heyman says the Rangers are going to trade Andrus next offseason if they can’t work out an extension.
I want
@BrettAnderson49: Shoulda stuck with the slider a foot and a half off the plate.
It’s safe to say the DR players care way more about this than anything in the MLB season
DR is the better team.
Would be more representative of USA MLB than USA vs Japan.
I’m kinda not feeling this Dominican team.
Team uSA scored 1 run off a scrub Twins pitcher….,that’s how you lose
Team uSA scored 1 run off a scrub Twins pitcher….,that’s how you lose
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That’s b/c USA is a team of scrubs.
DR has all their stars.
You’d think they won the World Series of all time
DR is better
DR also has HFA.
This is the DR’s World Series.
WBC amounts to nothing other than bragging rights. Maybe Hal is watching his teams best player in action.
Does he even realize who he is ? LMAO !
Or is too concerned counting his numbers ?
“WBC amounts to nothing other than bragging rights.”
And your point? Most of the players seem to be taking it very seriously which has made it pretty interesting to watch in my opinion
So what do they get ? An Olympic Medal ? Cash payouts ? A plaque ? No they represent their country which is great. The Yankees are tattered and falling apart, does Hal know he needs to salvage the face of the franchise going forward ? Probably not.
Which is exactly why Boras was hired and will take Cano on to the open market.
They can’t just give Cano a blank check. Their mistake was not trying to build on the smart extension they gave him a few years ago by adding another, bigger extension on top of that.
At this point, they have no good options unless they are willing to have about a $250m payroll for a few years (until, for example, A-Rod and Tex’s bad contracts expire).
I think they could still make plenty of money if they did that, but apparently not enough to satisfy the Steinbrenner offspring, which is their right, even though it could suck for fans.
mick March 14th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Team uSA scored 1 run off a scrub Twins pitcher….,that’s how you lose
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That’s b/c USA is a team of scrubs.
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Were they scrubs when they had those comebacks and scored those runs.
Wow that was the worst strike call I’ve ever seen
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I second that.
I guess he’s just playing games back there because there’s no way he saw a strike.
Rich:
So with all the deadwood (one year contracts) they are going to burn after 2013 then it is either commit to signing him and giving him the years and money or………………..
They trade him to a team that is willing to make the commitment getting a haul…………
Or let him walk and get a draft pick that could amount to nothing.
I still think they are going to re-sign Cano, but I agree that if they don’t, draft picks would be a pitiful return.
I think the bigger uncertainty is who will they be able to surround Cano with over the next few years, and whether or not they are truly willing to accept the growing pains that are an almost unavoidable part of developing players.
They seem too willing to rely on marginal veterans who other teams don’t want instead of enduring the learning curves of young players.
Is this the last season they will do that? I’m skeptical.
Or maybe Mesa and Musty will be given big roles from Day 1 this season and I will happily have been wrong.
Jettison after 2013………..
Grandy $13 mil
Pettitte $ 12 mil
Kuroda $ 15 mil
Youklis $ 12 mil
Rivera $ 10 mil
Hughes $ 7.15 mil
Logan $ 3.15 mil
Robertson $ 3.1 mil
Gardner $ 2.85 mil
Hafner $2 mil
Joba $ 1.875 mil
Almost $ 82 million going away not including incidental guys that will just disappear.
A lot of dough towards your best player don’t ya think ?
IMO, your teams best player goes before all these guys.
They seem too willing to rely on marginal veterans who other teams don’t want instead of enduring the learning curves of young players.
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I agree, they are not willing to give opportunities to the players in their own system as they keep signing scrubs who are over the hill and cheap. This inhibits the development of their own players in the system.
A sad state, I believe in which they need to bite the bullet and give their own guys a shot, not keep holding them down. Forget the ‘over the hill gang’
Lee turns down Yankees, will remain retired
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how dare you ……don’t you know these were the NYY
Trouble in river city this year.
Derrick likes his recliner and beer too much now ?
I know the WBC is sorta a fun little exhibition to the US players but I admit I’m a little bitter this morning…..I don’t care if team USA is playing tic tac toe I want to win and end up caring more than I probably should I guess.
Dickey pitched well but when you score one run off a guy that can’t even make the Twins rotation then….well thats why you lose.
Incredible AB by Aybar after getting jobbed on one of the worst ball/strike pitches I’ve ever seen (Angel Hernandez)…..he turns on a 97 mph heater on his hands on the next pitch and made it not matter…..
oh well….gotta win tonight.
“At this point, they have no good options unless they are willing to have about a $250m payroll for a few years (until, for example, A-Rod and Tex’s bad contracts expire).
I think they could still make plenty of money if they did that, but apparently not enough to satisfy the Steinbrenner offspring, which is their right, even though it could suck for fans.”
rich in nj-
what the steinies count on is people having no lives and rooting for the yankees it’s all they have.
i think they are underestimating the will and tenacity for yankee fans to be all over them.
it is simply crazy for anyone to buy into hal spoon feeding BS about austerity.he’s been handed everything. earned nothing.i doubt he even grew up listening to games on his own. think about that. he stayed away from the yankees by his own choice.
i don’t hate the guy, but why support the silliness. i firmly believe everyone should take a stand and boycott hal and his silliness. he’s tarnishing the new york yankees.it’ll end sooner if people don’t give him the benefit of the doubt. he seriously has not earned it. we expect the disaster next year, but it could be one injury away this year.
Erik Boland ?@eboland11
Today’s lineup: Gardner 8 jeter 6 ichiro 7 hafner dh Rivera 9 Cervelli 2 mustelier 5 Johnson 3 Joseph 4 Sabathia 1
blake -
i have this de ja vu feeling of rooting for roger repoz, horace clarke,charley smith,jerry keeney fritz peterson, kekich,etc and the yankees had good players stottlmyre, murcer, and roy white coming along. even munson. but it took until 1976 to be really good again. it was like ten years.
i honestly don’t see how you can get into all these no names who will overwhelm the few good players who are there.
hal is playing you.
Musty got lost, Musty got lost, Musty got lost
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