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Friday morning notes: What did I miss?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 15, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I was away from Yankees camp for the past two days, which feels a bit awkward this late in spring training. So what did I miss?

Several firsts
Derek Jeter played the field for the first time, Andy Pettitte pitched in a game for the first time, and Ben Francisco played for the Yankees for the first time. So far so good for all three. Jeter is back at shortstop this afternoon, and it would be good for him to get more than one play this time. Francisco had an RBI double in his first Yankees at-bat. He’s off today after playing the past two games.

Hughes’ next step
Phil Hughes got through his first round of batting practice and is scheduled to throw a simulated game on Monday. “I felt like the ball was coming out pretty good,” Hughes said. “So that’s a first step.”

Scratch that
There’s one first base option off the list. Tim Brown reported last night that Derrek Lee has turned down the Yankees offer to fill in for Mark Teixeira. I guess that leaves Juan Rivera as the favorite for the job, unless Ronnier Mustelier really proves himself at third, frees Kevin Youkilis to shift to first and leave Rivera to play regularly in the outfield.

More cuts
Adam Warren, Zoilo Almonte and Corban Joseph – each of whom had at least some chance of making the big league roster — were technically reassigned to minor league camp, though Warren and Joseph are still up with the big leaguers to fill some playing time. I can’t help wondering if Warren might come back up from the minor league complex if Hughes suffers a setback, David Phelps has to start and the Yankees need a long man. Joseph struggled quite a bit this spring, and Almonte cooled considerably after a hot start. It’s worth noting that, without Almonte, the Yankees really don’t have a platoon option to fill in for Curtis Granderson. Barring a Slade Heathcott surprise, the Yankees don’t have an extra left-handed outfield option in big league camp.

• CC Sabathia makes his spring debut this afternoon. He’s thrown two simulated games. This should be his first of three spring outings before Opening Day.  

• For those who asked, Francisco is wearing No. 40. You might have figured that out already.

• Michael Pineda and Cesar Cabral threw 35-pitch bullpens this morning. Same as last time. They threw all of their pitches. Just another step in the process.

• Boone Logan is throwing batting practice tomorrow. Ramon Flores and Rob Segedin will come back up from minor league camp to face him.

• The workout list was extremely light today. No mention of non-rehab pitchers throwing bullpens or anything like that. There will be full batting practice, but it doesn’t look like there will be anything out of the ordinary.

Today’s second string: C Francisco Arcia, 1B none, 2B Gil Velazquez, SS Addison Maruszak, 3B Jose Pirela, LF Matt Diaz, CF Melky Mesa, RF Thomas Neal, DH Bobby Wilson

Today’s scheduled relievers: Vidal Nuno, Dave Robertson, Joba Chamberlain, Mark Montgomery

• The Yankees are a split squad tomorrow, with a day game here in Tampa and an unusual 5 p.m. first pitch at Disney. The travel roster is extremely light.
Pitchers: Preston Claiborne, Jim Miller, David Phelps, Branden Pinder, Josh Spence
Catcher: Francisco Cervelli
Infielders: Dan Johnson, Corban Joseph, Jayson Nix, Eduardo Nunez, Jose Pirela
Outfielders: Matt Diaz, Ben Francisco, Melky Mesa, Thomas Neal

• As you might expect, the Yankees are going to bring up some guys from minor league camp to fill out tomorrow’s travel roster: LHP Jeremy Bleich, RHP Tom Kahnle, RHP Ryan Pope, C Austin Romine, C Hector Rabago, SS Cito Culver, INF Kevin Mahoney, INF Ali Castillo, OF Ben Gamel, OF Neil Medchill

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131 Responses to “Friday morning notes: What did I miss?”

  1. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    If a poor spring training means they’d sell low on Olt I’d still go after him.. It’s all related to the cost, of course, but if you can get him for what amounts to spare parts it’s at least worth a shot since our INF is slowly dying.

  2. Tackelberry March 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    “Barring a Slade Heathcott surprise, the Yankees don’t have an extra left-handed outfield option in big league camp.”

    Hello Brennan Boesch?

  3. MTU March 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    I advocate that.

    Put Youkilis at 1st and Mustelier at 3rd.

    If they want Ronnier to continue to prove himself they have to give him playing time.

    ;)

  4. Tackelberry March 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Happy Birthday Youk! A true Yankee!!

  5. yanks61 March 15th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 9:11 am
    yanks61 and MTU-

    Check this out. Why can’t my IPad do this?

    http://www.snotr.com/video/7466/Magic_iPad

    ———————————————————–

    YT, that stuff is just around the corner,Lol. Too bad that French guy’s iPad didn’t have that app!

  6. MTU March 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Yup. Boesch would be a low-risk pick up.

    Almost forgot about him.

  7. MTU March 15th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Time to go and cause some Pupdemonium.

    Later.

  8. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    In reality the figure of $189M is really closer to a target of $177M to account for what is to be projected, the cost of player benefits for a teams 40 man roster.

    If Hal keeps to the 177M and appeases the fans by signing Cano to another expensive AAV contract, IMHO, there is no way to surround him with enough talent to field a competitive team in 2014.

  9. blake March 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Chad,

    have you gotten any info on why Slade is still in camp? Is there anything to that?

  10. blake March 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Olt has warts….he always did…..he was overhyped last summer and this winter in trade talks because his name kept popping up…..but he’s still a good prospect that could be a good regular in the big leagues.

  11. Tar March 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    “Incredible AB by Aybar after getting jobbed on one of the worst ball/strike pitches I’ve ever seen (Angel Hernandez”

    Blake

    I literally had to stop watching the game. Hernandez took any enjoyment I had from watching the game away. How that man is allowed to call balls and strikes, I don’t know.

  12. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    blake – First of all, you’re making me hungry even after I just had breakfast. So.. eff you for that ;)

    But re: Olt, I think at this point his stock is way down from where it was last year and even just a couple of months ago… I’m not saying it’s a perfect match or he’s a future perennial All Star, but we need young cheap help at 3B.

    Unless this team is going to chase after Headley, bring in Gordon, or try to pry Castellanos from the Tigers….. I dunno, I’m not sure what their alternatives are other than to keep buying guys like Youk every year for twice their value. That doesn’t fit well with the plans for the budget.

  13. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    If Hughes starts the season on the DL, who would likely be the long man?

    Marshall, Warren? What about lefty Nuno, especially if Logan or Rapada are not ready?

  14. blake March 15th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    “blake – First of all, you’re making me hungry even after I just had breakfast. So.. eff you for that ”

    hey you gave me the idea :)

  15. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    They let Angel on the WBC field..?! Didn’t realize that, I was watching the game on mute.

  16. blake March 15th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “I’m not saying it’s a perfect match or he’s a future perennial All Star, but we need young cheap help at 3B.

    Unless this team is going to chase after Headley, bring in Gordon, or try to pry Castellanos from the Tigers….. I dunno, I’m not sure what their alternatives are other than to keep buying guys like Youk every year for twice their value. That doesn’t fit well with the plans for the budget”

    this….basically you’re talking about adding a 3B prospect who is around the same level as Austin and those guys…..you don’t give a ton for him but he could be part of a group that is a long term answer and that could offset payroll and allow them to spend in other areas.

    Olt has power and has walked a lot in the minors…..and reports are he’s pretty decent at 3B….lets say he’s a .260 hitter with 25 homer power and a .340 OBP in the big leauges…..thats an above average 3B for the league minimum.

  17. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    I know.. I’m suffering because of my own dirty work. :mad:

  18. blake March 15th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    “Marshall, Warren? What about lefty Nuno, especially if Logan or Rapada are not ready?”

    Marshall or Warren I’d think

  19. blake March 15th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    “I literally had to stop watching the game. Hernandez took any enjoyment I had from watching the game away. How that man is allowed to call balls and strikes, I don’t know.”

    he really is bad…..I mean amazingly bad

  20. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    If Hughes starts the season on the DL, who would likely be the long man?

    Marshall, Warren?

    —————————

    I don’t like the idea of using either of them in that role. We’re probably going to need 7-9 starters to get through the season. Joba shouldn’t be limited to one inning of work… if they don’t have a set long man why not use him for 2 innings, minimum? If a guy gets knocked around after 3-4 innings, Joba can get you to the 5-6th inning and then you can go Logan, Robertson, Mo or something.

  21. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Right now these definite starting lineup bats look to be in mid-season form:

    Cano
    Gardner
    Ichiro

    Youkilis is starting to hit.
    Jeter needs at bats
    The catching tandem will provide very little offense.

    The Yankees really need to pull off a trade to add another bat to help protect Cano from being pitched around, in their everyday lineup.

  22. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    My biggest fear is they use Phelps as the long man ‘because he’s done it for us before.’

  23. Chip March 15th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    If Hughes starts the season on the DL, who would likely be the long man?

    Marshall, Warren? What about lefty Nuno, especially if Logan or Rapada are not ready?
    ————————

    If Hughes opens on the DL and Phelps and Nova are both in the rotation then I think instead of going with a long man they might just go without a true long reliever at the outset.

    And if Rapada’s not ready to answer the bell, they might not carry two lefties.

  24. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Shame-

    The Yankees have two off days in April, the 2nd and 15th. It’s likely that the starters will be limited to the # pitches in the early going, especially if the weather is cold, and the bullpen will be utilized quite often.

  25. Chip March 15th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Shame,

    I think that whoever isn’t the 5th starter – either Phelps or Nova – will go to the minors and we might see a pen of:

    RHP: Mo, Joba, Robertson, Aardsma, Kelly, Eppley
    LHP: Logan, Rapada

  26. blake March 15th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    “Youkilis is starting to hit.”

    I have my doubts as to whether he can stay healthy….but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from him at the plate this spring…..bat speed is there that wasn’t last year and he will always get on base……don’t think hes physically capable of being what he was in his prime…..but somewhere between that and last year is probably doable and that’ll be a big plus if they can get that from him

  27. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Does Mesa really have a chance to make the squad. Struck out twice in his two at bats yesterday and is now hitting .189?

    Of course Nunez is worse at .161, but not as bad as Johnson at .048 or our DH, Hafner who’s at .150, but feels great after shedding 10 pounds.

    Mustelier struck out twice in his two at bats and is now hitting <.300 [.292] for the first time.

    Cervelli .208
    Nix .219

    "Show me the offense."

  28. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Ben Badler ?@BenBadler
    Looks like Casey Kelly is headed for Tommy John surgery http://www.utsandiego.com/news.....w-surgery/

  29. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Chip March 15th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Shame,

    I think that whoever isn’t the 5th starter – either Phelps or Nova – will go to the minors and we might see a pen of:

    RHP: Mo, Joba, Robertson, Aardsma, Kelly, Eppley
    LHP: Logan, Rapada

    ————————–

    Yeah I think that’s likely…I’m not loving Aardsma like many of you, and I just don’t think Logan is meh. I haven’t seen a lot of Rondon but I keep hearing about him. What’s his skill set/ceiling?

  30. CountryClub March 15th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Not sure if this was posted yesterday. From former scout who now works for rotowire:

    Bernie Pleskoff ?@BerniePleskoff
    Just saw #Yankees OF/3B Mustelier hit. Has a long, choppy swing. He was busted inside and couldn’t make contact twice

    ——————

    Only 1 or 2 at bats, so doesnt mean Musty has real issues. But things like this remind me why guys who seem to be killing it in the minors sometimes never get called up. There are major flaws sometimes that you can’t see in the box score. Anyway, hopefully just a couple of bad at bats.

  31. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    MLB ?@MLB
    Happy birthday to the Greek God of Walks. Kevin Youkilis turns 34 today: pic.twitter.com/z8X9lTWdr1

  32. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “Just saw #Yankees OF/3B Mustelier hit. Has a long, choppy swing. He was busted inside and couldn’t make contact twice”

    this describes a lot of hitters actually in the big leagues too

  33. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    I think that whoever isn’t the 5th starter – either Phelps or Nova – will go to the minors and we might see a pen of:

    RHP: Mo, Joba, Robertson, Aardsma, Kelly, Eppley
    LHP: Logan, Rapada
    ——————————-

    Chip
    It’s likely there will be 5 starters and 7 bullpen arms. Shawn Kelley has been better than David Aardsma.

  34. CountryClub March 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    My biggest fear is they use Phelps as the long man ‘because he’s done it for us before.’

    ————–

    I think if Nova wins the job, Phelps is going to the pen. If Phelps wins the job, Nova will probably start in AAA.

  35. austinmac March 15th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Nuno has impressed me more than Warren. I get he has no great stuff, but he throws multiple pitches for strikes, is lefty and has been very good the last year at every stop. Warren sounded yesterday like he did in his one MLB start.

    “Show me offense.” Isn’t that the truth? To those who act as if Musty has done all he needs to do, he hasn’t hit much lately. I would actually like someone other than Rivera actually hit.

    Aardsma will not be a success at 91-92. He is one guy who isn’t bouncing back as before from TJS.

  36. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “I think if Nova wins the job, Phelps is going to the pen. If Phelps wins the job, Nova will probably start in AAA.”

    probably….I think it’s Nova’s to lose…..but Phelps has really thrown well this spring.

  37. CountryClub March 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Bernie Pleskoff ?@BerniePleskoff
    Was pleasantly surprised at how well #Yankees Kevin Youkilis swung the bat yesterday. Right on the pitches. Need to rest him some in season.

    Bernie Pleskoff ?@BerniePleskoff
    #Yankess like Ronnier Mustelier. From what I saw, he has to cut down on his swing and not worry about hitting home runs. Has powerful body.

  38. Sir Harden Thick March 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    do not worry about the offense.a-rod will be back in 3 months and everything will be great again.

  39. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    “It’s likely there will be 5 starters and 7 bullpen arms. Shawn Kelley has been better than David Aardsma.”

    yea he has been…..I just don’t like the bullpen much after Joba…..that’s kinda why I think its scary to trade him unless the return really makes sense. You can find relievers……but this team isn’t going to hit enough IMO to have a thin bullpen…..if they get leads they have to make them stick

  40. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    if the US is able to beat Puerto Rico and advance to the next round it would certainly be nice if Evan Longoria or Chase Headley offered to play 3B

  41. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Joba has had a really nice spring, btw. He seems to be throwing very well. Again, I don’t see a reason to have a long man.. there’s no reason to limit Joba to one inning. Robertson and Mo can be your 8 and 9 guys and if Joba can eat up at least two innings in a poor start Girardi should be able to piece things together with Logan, Kelly, etc.

  42. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Suppose Texas offered 1 year of David Murphy + Olt for 1 year of Joba + Gardner…

  43. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Jason Parks ?@ProfessorParks
    #Yankees Top Ten Prospects: http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=19887 … #want

  44. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Jose R. #3 per Jason Parks

  45. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    From the link blake posted:

    1 C Gary Sanchez
    2 CF Mason Williams
    3 RHP Jose A. Ramirez
    4 OF Slade Heathcott
    5 OF Tyler Austin
    6 RHP Ty Hensley
    7 2B Angelo Gumbs
    8 RHP Jose Campos
    9 RHP Mark Montgomery
    10 RHP Rafael De Paula

    Ramirez has certainly made an impression…

  46. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    “Suppose Texas offered 1 year of David Murphy + Olt for 1 year of Joba + Gardner…”

    nah….

  47. PacoDooley March 15th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    blake March 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am
    Olt has warts….he always did…..he was overhyped last summer and this winter in trade talks because his name kept popping up…..but he’s still a good prospect that could be a good regular in the big leagues.
    —————————————–

    At 24 and with only a single season above A ball it’s hard to know what to expect. His one AA ball season was very good – heavy on SOs (ca. 25%), but a .977 OPS with >200 total bases. Personally, I think he is unlikely to turn into anything greater than a mid quality starter or backup player at the MLB level, but again he is probably worth a trade if they don’t have to trade any really important chips. If he was 21 or 22 and had that season at AA I would say that he has star possibilities.

  48. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    I understand Banuelos is injured but he should remain on BP’s top 10 list. Six of these guys have a really good chance to make it. I would rank the higher profile ones like this:

    1-C Gary Sanchez
    2-CF Mason Williams
    3-LHP Manny Banuelos
    4-RHP Jose A. Ramirez
    5-OF Slade Heathcott
    6-OF Tyler Austin

  49. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Really blake? You would not be interested in adding David Murphy and Olt without it costing a single prospect?

  50. Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    3. Jose A. Ramirez
    Position: RHP
    DOB: 01/21/1990
    Height/Weight: 6’3’’ 190 lbs.
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Acquired: International free agent, 2007, Dominican Republic
    2012 Stats: 3.19 ERA (98.2 IP, 92 H, 94 K, 30 BB) at High-A Tampa
    The Tools: 7 FB; 6+ potential CH; 5+ potential SL

    What Happened in 2012: Ramirez made 18 starts in the Florida State League, missing just under a bat an inning an flashing the electric stuff that has teased since his stateside debut in 2009.

    Strengths: Prototypical size; electric arm speed; from standard slot, routinely works 93-96 with the fastball; can touch 98; shows plus life; changeup is bat-missing pitch; excellent out of the hand with good sink; slider will flash in the mid-upper 80s; can throw strikes and repeat his delivery.

    Weaknesses: Can fall under the ball; slider is fringe at present; has a show-me curve, but not a go-to pitch; inconsistent secondary utility; shows control but needs to refine his command; lives loose in the zone.

    Overall Future Potential: 6; no. 2/3 starter

    Explanation of Risk: High risk; injury resume; 23 and yet to make Double-A debut.

    Fantasy Future: Has bat-missing stuff; if healthy, can flash top-of-the-rotation stuff with back-of-the-rotation consistency.

    The Year Ahead: If Ramirez can stay healthy, he could be an easy top 101 prospect in 2013. The fastball is an impact major-league offering, with plus (to plus-plus) velocity and good life. One source called the changeup a future 7 pitch, and if the slider can develop into a consistent above-average offering, Ramirez is going to be a dangerous man on the hill. Don’t be shocked if he explodes in 2013.

  51. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Parks always favors upside in his rankings….if you can take him seriously with a naked Steve Stone avitar

  52. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    “Really blake? You would not be interested in adding David Murphy and Olt without it costing a single prospect?”

    I wouldn’t want to trade Gardner….take him out and add a prospect then I might…..thats a tough one

  53. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Austinmac-

    I’m also concerned about the pitching.

    Phelps , Kuroda, and Nova look ready to start. Who knows if Hughes will be ready to contribute sometime in April, and stay healthy? Pettitte wasn’t happy with the way his cutter found the heart of the plate. Sabathia is starting for the first time-will he add a few mph on the fastball, that was missing last year?

    That’s just for “starters.”

    The bullpen. No Logan yet,our overworked lefty. Rapada the lefty sidearmer is hurt, and his “mirror” twin, Eppley has been “meh.” Robertson still working on his out pitch-the curve. Aardsma, as you said, won’t be succesful at 91. Joba is the only one who looks somewhat ready, and the Yankees are possibly entertaining offers for him? He’s the only one in that bullpen who can touch 95-96 on the radar gun.

    Then there is Rivera, who I always feel confident with.

    So it’s “show me the Offense,” and “pray for the Pitching!” :)

  54. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Well Texas has 6 years of control on Olt. But you wouldn’t trade 2 years of Gardner for that? And which prospect would you be willing to sacrifice? Is 2 years of Gardner worth that prospect with Heathcott, Williams, Austin, Flores, Almonte and Mesa on the way?

  55. MTU March 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    People might be mistaking Aardsma’s lowered velo as a permanent effect of TJS when in fact it just might be he is still building arm strength and will throw harder later on.

    Give the Man a little more time. That much lost velocity is not typical of TJS.

    The usual issue is lack of command.

    ;)

  56. Your Worst Nightmare March 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    It is becoming a running joke with Phelps, he prepares, comes to camp ready again and works hard with good results. They need to put him in the rotation and let him start, not put him out in the pen. Stop messin with him

    Put Hughes in the pen till he is completely 100% and then re-evaluate what is what

  57. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “Well Texas has 6 years of control on Olt. But you wouldn’t trade 2 years of Gardner for that? And which prospect would you be willing to sacrifice? Is 2 years of Gardner worth that prospect with Heathcott, Williams, Austin, Flores, Almonte and Mesa on the way?”

    I don’t know exactly what Olt is going to be…..he might never amount to anything…..I don’t know about Heatcott, Williams, Austin….but Flores, Almonte, and Mesa? absolutely. Gardner is a big leaguer and a pretty good one when healthy…..none of those guys may ever be worth as much as him in reality.

  58. DONNYBROOK March 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    I take Gardner over Murphy. Not that Murphy issa bum, but Gardner on both sides of the ball has a Far greater impact onna game than Murphy.

  59. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Blake he’s only under contract for 2 years and during one of them, Murphy would be in his place. Murphy’s not a better ballplayer than Gardner?

  60. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    JF-

    What happened to Ramirez yesterday? Mechanical issues?

    If he has a plus fastball and changeup with the slider, does he need a curve to be a top of the rotation starter?

  61. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Blake and Donny what do you guys expect to get out of 2 years of Gardner? And what prospect would you substitute for Gardner in order to acquire Olt? Keep in mind Texas needs to get value there.

  62. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “Blake he’s only under contract for 2 years and during one of them, Murphy would be in his place. Murphy’s not a better ballplayer than Gardner?”

    no…I’d rather have Gardner. You’re giving up Joba and you’re starting outfielder for a prospect and Murphy…..thats a trade I’d do if they are out of the race in June….but it makes them worse for 2013 IMO

  63. PacoDooley March 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am
    Well Texas has 6 years of control on Olt. But you wouldn’t trade 2 years of Gardner for that? And which prospect would you be willing to sacrifice? Is 2 years of Gardner worth that prospect with Heathcott, Williams, Austin, Flores, Almonte and Mesa on the way?
    ————————–

    Gardner has established the fact that he can be a very good major league outfielder. The rest of the people listed have proved nothing. You always value proven talent above prospective talent. I see only marginal evidence that Olt will end up as a good MLB level talent.

    I would also say that Almonte and Mesa are not ‘on the way’ – neither will ever be an every day outfielder good enough to hold a spot in NY. They might end up more in the Dickerson or Maxwell mode – good, but not good enough.

    So I would not trade Gardner for Olt. On the other hand, I see few if any guys in the Yankees minors that I would not include in the right trade for established young talent.

  64. blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Trade Nova or Phelps for Olt then sign Kyle Lohse to a one year deal…..be the Yankees

  65. Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    If he has a plus fastball and changeup with the slider, does he need a curve to be a top of the rotation starter?

    The slider and curve are both bad, he needs 1 of the 2

  66. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Isn’t Murphy a FA after this season, along with Nelson Cruz?

  67. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Murphy hit .304 .380 .479 .859 OPS+ was 124

  68. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I don’t know about Heatcott, Williams, Austin….but Flores, Almonte, and Mesa? absolutely.

    —————–

    Yeah you can’t put the latter three in the same category as the former.

    And in all likelihood you’re looking at 2015 by the time the first three are going to be on the roster.

  69. MTU March 15th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Even if Mustelier is only good for part of a season before they figure him out he’ll fill a need.

    He buys the Yankees time even if he’s not a longterm solution.

    You mean he isn’t Mike Schmidt ?

    So what.

    They should take him North.

  70. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Blake you really think 2 years of Gardner is worth 4 years of Nova or 5 years of Phelps? That’s nonsense. You must be kidding i hope.

  71. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    JF-

    What happened to Ramirez yesterday? Mechanical issues?

    —————–

    Wasnt there a bit of a blister issue in his start before that..?

  72. PacoDooley March 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am
    Blake and Donny what do you guys expect to get out of 2 years of Gardner? And what prospect would you substitute for Gardner in order to acquire Olt? Keep in mind Texas needs to get value there.
    ————————-

    I expect 8-10 WAR for two years of Gardner (more likely 8 – he was a 7 WAR player in 2010, but I think that overvalued defence). I expect Olt to be a 2-3 WAR per season guy, and given the lack of evidence I would say that he is likely to be a 1-2 WAR player if he gets regular time next season (if I had to bet I would put my money on well under 2 WAR and even if he is decent, i don’t see him breaking 4 WAR for the next 2 seasons).

  73. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    worth more than

  74. austinmac March 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    YT,

    I will be very interested in seeing CC today. He was good last year, but he did lose some fastball velocity last year which I am hoping he will regain.

    Aardsma has his TJS in 2011 or early 2012, didn’t he? He should have his velocity back by now, I would think. I do not think he will be productive. Kelly might be. Nuno might be. Rondon might be.

    We need to add at least one bat to be league average offensively. Look around at other AL offenses, and there are very few that look worse than the Yankees will put out there in April and early May.

  75. DONNYBROOK March 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    You guys are bigger on the unproven Olt than I am. Gardner issa bona fide MLB player. His versatility has saved the Yanks a lotta headaches in CF, and his defense in LF or CF is Gold Glove caliber. He’s frequently compared to Bourn, and a Bourn or a Gardner are Not worth an unproven Busher. PASS

  76. Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    22. Mike Olt, 3b/1b, TEX

    On baseball america, Olt is the 22nd best prospect. Better than any of the Yankees prospects. Now Olt might top out at 22, where as Sanchez, Williams, Austin, and Heathcott could be top 5 prospects if they bust out in 2013 so you do have to consider ceiling, but if you just base it on rankings there is nothing untoward about trading any of our prospects for Olt.

  77. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Wow if 2 years of Gardner is as valuable as portrayed in this room, I’d love to see how that translates on the trade market. We might be able to get Miguel Cabrera for him.

  78. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Trade Nova or Phelps for Olt then sign Kyle Lohse to a one year deal…..be the Yankees
    ————-
    Blake-

    Thank goodness you’re joking.

    Unfortunately the Yankees can’t afford to trade any of their starters with Hughes hurt, and Pettitte and now CC pitching for the first time, and only two off days in April. No Olt-get me a “proven” bat.

  79. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Blake you really think 2 years of Gardner is worth 4 years of Nova or 5 years of Phelps? That’s nonsense. You must be kidding i hope.

    ——————-

    It’s a matter of depth.. you can’t give up Gardner now knowing you’re probably losing Grandy in 2014. Gardner and Ichiro on the board means you only need to find one other OFer instead of two.

  80. Russell Munson March 15th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    What is your 2013 outfield if you trade Gardner now?

  81. austinmac March 15th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Aardsma had his surgery in July, 2011, nearly two years ago. Yet, still building arm strength? I don’t buy it. I think what we see is what we get.

  82. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Murphy, Granderson, Ichiro

  83. PacoDooley March 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:47 am
    Blake you really think 2 years of Gardner is worth 4 years of Nova or 5 years of Phelps? That’s nonsense. You must be kidding i hope.
    ————————-

    Yes, he is potentially worth 5 years of Phelps or 4 of Nova, but only if he can get back to his earlier form and get on base. Or at least it is not total nonsense to imagine that they are equivalent. I don’t think Gardner will have another 7 WAR season, but if he managed to put up a 5 WAR season while those guys are likely to stay under 3 WAR you would be smart to stick with Gardner. Margin wins are worth a lot to a team.

  84. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Wow if 2 years of Gardner is as valuable as portrayed in this room, I’d love to see how that translates on the trade market. We might be able to get Miguel Cabrera for him.

    ———————

    You’re missing that value is all relative to the organizations depth, cost, etc.

    One player might be more valuable to one team than he is to another based on need.

  85. Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Gardner is the only OFer on the roster you can expect to be a positive in 2014.

  86. DONNYBROOK March 15th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    What Exactly has Olt done to warrant a Gold Glove outfielder?

  87. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Yes, (2 years of Gardner) is potentially worth (more than) 5 years of Phelps or 4 of Nova?

    I need to get some fresh air. I think I’m going to barf.

  88. MTU March 15th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Mac-

    He is building arm strength this Spring. It’s still relatively Early and he hasn’t throw a ton of innings yet.

    It is not typical of TJS for a guy to lose that much velo. Command yes.

    If he can’t hit the #’s then it likely is another reason.

    Just my 2 cents.

  89. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Austinmac-

    I forgot about the hip surgery.

    Updated: July 17, 2011, 10:18 PM ETAssociated Press

    Mariners reliever David Aardsma is done for the 2011 season and likely longer after an MRI determined the closer needs Tommy John surgery on his right elbow.

    The Mariners announced Aardsma’s diagnosis on Friday night. He is scheduled for surgery late next week to be performed by Dr. Lewis Yocum.

    Aardsma has missed the entire 2011 season. He was first sidelined by offseason surgery on his left hip. Once Aardsma started throwing, his rehab assignment at Triple-A Tacoma was cut short by a strained ligament. He spent the past two months try to rehab his elbow without surgery.

    After an MRI on Thursday, it was recommended that Aardsma have the surgery.

    Aardsma recorded 69 saves for Seattle the past two seasons.

  90. PacoDooley March 15th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am
    22. Mike Olt, 3b/1b, TEX

    On baseball america, Olt is the 22nd best prospect. Better than any of the Yankees prospects. Now Olt might top out at 22, where as Sanchez, Williams, Austin, and Heathcott could be top 5 prospects if they bust out in 2013 so you do have to consider ceiling, but if you just base it on rankings there is nothing untoward about trading any of our prospects for Olt.
    ——————————

    Overrated for sure – one season of AA at age 24 is limited evidence that he will be a great player. He strikes out a lot and has looked totally out of place when he was on their MLB roster and in his spring appearances.

  91. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    What you’re saying basically is that Cashman offered up 2 years of Gardner on the trade market, he could net 4-5 years of a cost-controlled mid rotation starter.

    Any GM would LOL at Cashman for trying to pull that heist.

  92. austinmac March 15th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Chad,

    What are the Yankees doing having Heathcott still on the MLB squad but rarely playing? Either give him a chance or let him go play. Do they think hanging out and watching MLBers perform will help him in some way?

  93. Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Overrated for sure – one season of AA at age 24 is limited evidence that he will be a great player. He strikes out a lot and has looked totally out of place when he was on their MLB roster and in his spring appearances.

    To be fair it was a great season at AA, which is more than any of our prospects can say. I wouldn’t trade Gardner for him, but I’d trade 1 of our prospects for him. I’d trade Joba+A prospect for him.

  94. Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    What you’re saying basically is that Cashman offered up 2 years of Gardner on the trade market, he could net 4-5 years of a cost-controlled mid rotation starter.

    Well Phelps has 100 major league innings and a lot of them in the bullpen, so yea I think Gardner could net a guy like that. Or an unheralded guy coming off a 5 ERA.

  95. DONNYBROOK March 15th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    - FANTASY BB SLEEPER OF THE DAY -

    (1) ERIC YOUNG JR – Injured as 2012 closed, just as he was starting to blossom. Plays in Colorado, has wheels, which means Plenty of 2B’s, 3B’s, and SB’s. Qualifies at LF\CF\RF.

  96. Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    The Yankees could definitely trade 2 years of Gardner for a prospect at the Phelps/Nova level.

  97. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    What you’re saying basically is that Cashman offered up 2 years of Gardner on the trade market, he could net 4-5 years of a cost-controlled mid rotation starter.

    Any GM would LOL at Cashman for trying to pull that heist.

    ——————–

    Not if they needed an OFer and had pitching to spare.

    You’re looking at this without context at all. We have very, very young OF depth.. it isn’t going to help us much in 2014. We cannot go into 2014 with Ichiro as our only OFer. Not on our budget. In order to keep the budget static and fill holes we do have (at 3B or C) you have to give up what you can afford to give up.. in our case, it would be SP and not an OFer.

  98. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    “Blake you really think 2 years of Gardner is worth 4 years of Nova or 5 years of Phelps? That’s nonsense. You must be kidding i hope.”

    I do yes…absolutely

  99. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Donny – Issanyone at the Waffle House this morning? ;)

  100. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Aardsma had surgery for a torn labrum in his left hip, in January of 2011.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    Video of Aardsma before all his unfortunate need to undergo the knife.

  101. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    @IvanNova47

    Warm up those arms. 2 weeks until the #MLB2K13 Perfect Game Challenge! #ChooseMe & get in on the action here: http://2kgam.es/PGC2K13

  102. DONNYBROOK March 15th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Yea, we got Harvey Kietel sittin’ at a corner booth, sipping on a cup of Joe, while perusing today’s Racing Form.

  103. Yankee Trader March 15th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Time to go.

    Unless Cashman can get us a proven bat, it’s looking like a bench of these five-
    Stewart, Francisco, Nix, Rivera, and probably Nunez, all righties.

    Have a great day.

    Aardsma needs that 96 mph high heat I saw in the video, before the hip and TJ surgeries. In 2006 he was clocked at 101 as a Cub.

    Hoping to see some zip on Sabathia’s fastball this season.

  104. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    The Yankees have some depth in Nova/Phelps like starters….some think Nova’s upside is higher than I do…..but most see those 2 as 4/5 starters in the big leagues. Those guys can be found…..everybody is looking for the front line arms….the game changers….that’s what teams will trade a lot for

  105. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    If Pineda comes back healthy then chances are one of Nova/Phelps isn’t going to see the rotation this year…..even if he doesn’t then one of them likely won’t be in the rotation if everyone is healthy…..so would I trade that for Mike Olt? Yes…..

  106. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    DONNYBROOK March 15th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Yea, we got Harvey Kietel sittin’ at a corner booth, sipping on a cup of Joe, while perusing today’s Racing Form.

    ——————

    :lol:

  107. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    If Pineda comes back healthy then chances are one of Nova/Phelps isn’t going to see the rotation this year…..even if he doesn’t then one of them likely won’t be in the rotation if everyone is healthy…..so would I trade that for Mike Olt? Yes…..

    —————–

    To be fair, we’d all be willing to keep EVERYONE and just buy a bat…but no.

  108. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Corey Brock ?@FollowThePadres
    The MLBPA has reached out to #Padres 3B Chase Headley to see if he’s interested in joining Team USA in #WBC. He is.

    yay! gotta win tonight though or doesn’t matter

  109. tucker March 15th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Musty did not get a serious look at third. Too bad. They’ll go with the veterans- Rivera at first, Youk at third. Nix as the utility guy. This is a very exciting development.

  110. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “To be fair, we’d all be willing to keep EVERYONE and just buy a bat…but no.”

    well yea but that ship has sailed

  111. DONNYBROOK March 15th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    IF, Pineda comes back this season, he will be treated with Kid Gloves. No WAY, the Yanks deal either Nova or Phelps just because Pineda makes it back this season. The only way the Yanks deal either Phelps or Nova this season, is if they are outta contention. They just do Not have the depth to do it in 2013.

  112. Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Musty did not get a serious look at third. Too bad. They’ll go with the veterans- Rivera at first, Youk at third. Nix as the utility guy. This is a very exciting development.

    Mustelier is starting at third today, he is still in it. Kay said the Yankees are very keen on him, and he is a front office mouthpiece.

  113. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Rivera as the every day 1B will give them basically Chris Stewart’s offense at 1B against RHP

  114. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    “The only way the Yanks deal either Phelps or Nova this season, is if they are outta contention. They just do Not have the depth to do it in 2013.”

    One of Phelps/Nova is either going to be in the bullpen or at AAA…..if the right deal came along I think they’d part with one of them….Marshall is pretty good and nearly ready.

  115. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Phelps would strengthen the pen a good bit….I’d hate to put him there but they may need him in that role again….sucks but it’s reality

  116. Your Worst Nightmare March 15th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    blake March 15th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Trade Nova or Phelps for Olt then sign Kyle Lohse to a one year deal…..be the Yankees

    ==========

    Trade r young ML ready pitching for an unproven position player and then sign Lohse who will want way more than Hal wants to pay ?

    Pitching is the key going forward, u can never have enough.

  117. Jerkface March 15th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Cant put Phelps in the pen, would be 3 straight seasons of limited innings, and thus unable to count on him in the rotation for 2014.

  118. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    I thought Marshall looked better than Warren this spring but maybe that’s just me… If they’re determined to have a long man, which I’m honestly not sure they need, they should go with one of them and leave Phelps to accrue innings. Phelps has looked very good this spring. He came in, in good shape no less!, and did very well.

  119. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Alright Blake, would you rather trade 2 years of Gardner or 1 year of Hughes?

  120. Your Worst Nightmare March 15th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    You r going to need both Phelps and Nova in the rotation next year when Kuroda, Hughes and Pettitte disappear.

  121. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    “Cant put Phelps in the pen, would be 3 straight seasons of limited innings, and thus unable to count on him in the rotation for 2014.”

    I don’t want to but what do you do with him if they chose Nova as the 5th starter? They need him in the bullpen because after Joba it kinda sucks……they can either waste him at AAA, put him in the pen where he can help…..or trade him

  122. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    “You r going to need both Phelps and Nova in the rotation next year when Kuroda, Hughes and Pettitte disappear.”

    You would think this should be obvious.

  123. DONNYBROOK March 15th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    This WBC is getting ridiculous when players are allowed to check in at their own whim. This is turning into a “Whose on First?” Sham.

  124. Your Worst Nightmare March 15th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Apparently not to some, when you are looking to trade or demote the young ML ready pitchers we have.

  125. FiretheUMPIRE March 15th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Does Kuroda have a no-trade clause? I’d rather trade him and Hughes when Pineda returns. Then roll with CC, Andy, Pineda, Nova, Phelps to finish out 2013 and to start 2014 with those 5 plus Jose Ramirez and Manny Banuelos in AAA.

  126. tucker March 15th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    They should give Musty 3-4 consecutive starts at third to see what he can do. They already know what Youk and Nix can do. Give the unknown a serious look.

  127. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    “Alright Blake, would you rather trade 2 years of Gardner or 1 year of Hughes?”

    right now Hughes…..I really wouldn’t trade either unless the return was significant

  128. austinmac March 15th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Shame,

    I absolutely thought Marshall looked better than Warren. He has better stuff. He will pitch in the majors, and I am not too sure about Warren.

  129. blake March 15th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    “You r going to need both Phelps and Nova in the rotation next year when Kuroda, Hughes and Pettitte disappear.”

    we don’t know that they all will disappear….and we also don’t know that they can’t get guys better than those 2. I wouldn’t trade them both….but in the right deal 1 is expendable….you can find back end guys

  130. Your Worst Nightmare March 15th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    we don’t know that they all will disappear….and we also don’t know that they can’t get guys better than those 2. I wouldn’t trade them both….but in the right deal 1 is expendable….you can find back end guys

    ========

    Well no you don’t but the writing is on the wall

    Pettitte is what 42 ? He is going to skip starts this year to keep fresh. Expensive too

    Hughes, I think they will devote funds to locking up Cano before Hughes

    Kuroda expensive but who knows if he has another good year

    IMO, they will put the dough towards Cano and with $ 189 on the horizon it will be time for an infusion of young inexpensive guys on the SP front

  131. chatalex March 15th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Musty got lost, Musty got lost, Musty got lost
    Somewhere down the lin http://www.chatalex.com/


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