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Tuesday night notes and links: Steinbrenner, StubHub and the draft

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 19, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A few links from around baseball…

• If you haven’t already, be sure to read David Waldstein’s feature on Hal Steinbrenner’s approach to running the Yankees. Terrific piece.

• Speaking of Steinbrenner, Mark Feinsand did a fun and interesting Q & A with the Yankees managing general partner earlier this month.

• The Yankees won court order this afternoon preventing StubHub from opening a store near Yankee Stadium. The store was intended to help StubHub work around the Yankees agreement with Ticketmaster.

• Major League Baseball could create a worldwide draft as early as this season. Apparently MLB is willing to give up a lot to make it happen.

• Baseball owners are reportedly considering the elimination of pensions for non-uniform personnel.

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254 Responses to “Tuesday night notes and links: Steinbrenner, StubHub and the draft”

  1. PhiltheThrill March 19th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    The world wide draft would be a logistical nightmare.

  2. blake March 19th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    A world draft would be awful

  3. blake March 19th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Anybody else surprised the Yankees haven’t signed miguel Tejada? He’s old and he used to be good….seems to fit

  4. Tackelberry March 19th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    YAWNNNNNNNNNN!!!!

  5. blake March 19th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    @BillShaikin: Official: Hanley Ramirez left the game because of jammed right thumb.

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock March 19th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    ron March 19th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Francessa screaming about the yankees picking up franciso when he got cut by the indians.

    Gotta listen,funny stuff.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rLJMw89YqM
    ///

    Thanks. Wasn’t laughing though. Was nodding my head, up and down.

    Scary.

  7. jacksquat March 19th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    What would an international draft mean for the Yankees?

    (yeah, yeah, besides “nothing, they don’t know how to draft anyway”)

  8. Jerkface March 19th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Just a thought on adam warren / david phelps.

    Phelps looks really good. Adam Warren does not. Long man is not a good position on the Yankees, you don’t get many innings, you’re not pitching in important games.

    If the Yankees consider phelps a future starter in the bigs, he needs to be starting forever. He did not get many innings in 2012. If he goes to the bullpen he will not get many innings in 2013. Aren’t they looking forward to 2014? Do they not believe he is going to be a starter? If not, trade him, he is very valuable to a team that thinks he can start.

    In the mean time, they can use Adam Warren in Phelps role in the majors. Garbage innings and 5th/6th inning guy. That way Phelps is the first guy called up for starts, he is getting his innings, and the Yankees should be looking to get him 180 innings this year.

    If they go with Phelps in the pen he will have back to back ~100 ip years, which means if he is in the rotation in 2014 there will be a huge chance he’ll end up with some Hughes-like dead arm. They should be conditioning him, getting him 180 innings, preparing him to be a workhorse.

    Their handling of pitchers sucks, in my opinion. If Phelps goes to the pen, it will just continue to re-affirm that.

  9. Jerkface March 19th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    What would an international draft mean for the Yankees?

    It means no more Gary Sanchez/Jesus Monteros. Unless they start losing, they’ll pick lower in the draft, and there are hardly ever 15+ guys that are very good. The Yankees tend to snag atleast 1, so kiss that goodbye.

    International draft is bad news. It sucks for the prospects. It sucks for the teams. It only helps the owners.

  10. Chip March 19th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Soooo…because Hal is good at reading weather charts and flying planes we should all feel good and comfortable with him leading the Yankees? Thanks NY Times.

  11. Jerkface March 19th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    What that article tells me is that Hal is pretty good at stuff he has devoted considerable time too. That doesn’t include ‘running a baseball team’, so not good! I guess he’ll be a good owner in 10 years.

  12. Yank 97 March 19th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    A world wide draft would be great – it would prevent big spending teams like the Dodgers, Angels, Rangers, Red Sox, Tigers, etc. from stealing all the good players from Latin America and allow teams like us to have better chances at acquiring good international players

  13. Chip March 19th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Jerkface,

    The most terrifying part of the article was when he talks about how the 2009 Yankees are the only team in history to win a title with a $200+ M payroll so therefore the Yankees don’t need one to win.

    What an engaged owner realizes is that those teams that won with a sub $200m payroll didn’t have 5 players accounting for nearly $90mil; one of whom is clearly diminished.

  14. Chip March 19th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Actually all an international draft would do is push more Latin American players to soccer.

  15. Jerkface March 19th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    Chip,

    Those kinds of arguments always fail for me because what you’re looking at is 1 team vs a field of 29 teams. The Yankees want to win every time. Every time they do not win, its not the same team winning, so the metrics for those winners doesn’t mean crap. I don’t care if an 80 million payroll team wins 1 world series. I don’t care if 5 80 million payroll teams win a world series. Unless its the same 80 million payroll team winning multiple world series over a long period of time, it means jack, because the Yankees are not in the ‘be good 3 times a decade’ business. They should be in the ‘have decades named after them’ business.

  16. Rich in NJ March 19th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    “What would an international draft mean for the Yankees?

    (yeah, yeah, besides “nothing, they don’t know how to draft anyway”)”

    Their international draft haul has been important because it has mitigated draft/development mistakes. So that makes no sense.

  17. dan l March 19th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    An international draft will only benefit the teams that put the most resources into scouting internationally. The Yankees are one of the wealthiest teams with many resources so will they spend on scouting?

  18. Jerkface March 19th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    An international draft will only benefit the teams that put the most resources into scouting internationally. The Yankees are one of the wealthiest teams with many resources so will they spend on scouting?

    This is not true. It benefits the teams that pick first. A NON-draft system benefits teams that put the most resources into scouting. A scouting heavy team may land some gems in a draft system, but the top players are well known in a draft.

  19. Bo knows March 19th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    They’ll kill baseball in the Dominican like they did in PR. Gradually the baseball academies will disappear. Baseball owners are their own worst enemies. Less talent, more hype – Shills will sell product.

  20. Chip March 19th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Jerkface –

    I agree.

    And if Hal wants to win with a $189 M payroll then what he needs to do is release Alex, eat the money owed him and write that off as dead money. It will technically still count as payroll, but it won’t be on the roster.

  21. Jerkface March 19th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Chip,

    I don’t see how that is a solution. It still counts against the 189 limit and yet they get zero baseball production out of it.

  22. Chip March 19th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Jerkface March 19th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    An international draft will only benefit the teams that put the most resources into scouting internationally. The Yankees are one of the wealthiest teams with many resources so will they spend on scouting?

    This is not true. It benefits the teams that pick first. A NON-draft system benefits teams that put the most resources into scouting. A scouting heavy team may land some gems in a draft system, but the top players are well known in a draft.
    ———

    1. They should allow teams to trade draft picks

    2. For the amount of money that teams actually spend on international free agents the concessions that MLB is willing to make don’t make sense.

  23. jacksquat March 19th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Rich in NJ March 19th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
    “What would an international draft mean for the Yankees?

    (yeah, yeah, besides “nothing, they don’t know how to draft anyway”)”

    Their international draft haul has been important because it has mitigated draft/development mistakes. So that makes no sense.

    What makes no sense? I was just heading off the snark.

  24. dan l March 19th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Jerkface you are wrong…there are plenty of good players right now that don’t sign for huge dollars. Sure the so called name players may not be available but there will be good players if you scout well.

    The international draft benefits good scouting teams. For every Harper there is a Trout.

  25. Chip March 19th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    Jerkface March 19th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Chip,

    I don’t see how that is a solution. It still counts against the 189 limit and yet they get zero baseball production out of it.
    —————

    I’m saying he needs to not count it as payroll and just let the team move on. I know it will count towards MLB official payroll, but if Hal wants to justify it later by saying “well sure our payroll was $214 mil but 30 of that was Alex who isn’t on the team…”

  26. Chip March 19th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    the big money international free agents – your guys like Cespedes, Darvish, Soler would, I believe, not be included in an international draft anyway. I think that it would be for players under 23 years of age who want to play in the states.

  27. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    “What makes no sense? I was just heading off the snark.”

    You seem intent on mischaracterizing any criticism of the Yankees as snark. It simply isn’t true. It’s often rational, fact-based counterpoints to the pro-Yankee spin we here from much of the MSM and a portion of the fanbase.

    And the point remains. Being able (and willing) to spend big on IFA gave the Yankees a huge advantage because it supplemented the draft by bringing top of the draft, first round type of talent in the mL system. The more talent you bring in, the less mistakes matter.

  28. Jerkface March 20th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    Jerkface you are wrong…there are plenty of good players right now that don’t sign for huge dollars. Sure the so called name players may not be available but there will be good players if you scout well.

    The international draft benefits good scouting teams. For every Harper there is a Trout.

    No, pretty sure I’m not. What does that even mean? Trout is off the board before a normal Yankee draft pick. They only had a shot at him because they finished 3rd in 2008. And it was a slim shot.

    In an international draft the players that want to be drafted are going to register in the MLB. Teams will have a list of all these players. In a draft the amount of major league players drops off post the 15th pick. IFA’s are even harder to get major league talent and its going to be a steeper drop off.

    Obviously you want good scouting, but a draft system does not favor them. Theres no more beating the IFA bush to find these guys in the rough and getting them to sign before other teams. Now you’re looking at big list of guys who will be show casing at major league facilities.

  29. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Also, the slot-imposed spending restrictions in the draft will provide added funds for all teams to increase their scouting budgets.

  30. Jerkface March 20th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    Yea and if it goes to a strict pool like the current draft it will only benefit the teams with the most picks/earlier picks. A hard slot draft with incredibly painful penalties for going overslot does not benefit scouting heavy teams.

    It basically just makes heavy scouting a last resort for ‘winners’, as they attempt to make good with picking from the scraps.

  31. Rich in NJ March 20th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    “My firmly held belief is that you don’t have to have a $200 million payroll to be world champion,” he said last week in the team’s plush conference room at the spring training complex here. “And the historical data that led me to that conclusion is rock solid.”

    So Hal is proposing to follow a mechanical application of a rule that fails to account for the significant, virtually dead money on the payroll, or the questionable readiness of the cost-controlled young players that would be needed to offset the sunk costs, yet the rule is “rock solid.”

    Hal may be good at predicting the weather, but as Dylan said, you don’t have to be a weather man to know which way the wind blows (or is likely to blow).

    Given Hal’s questionable interpretation of recent baseball financial history, the Yankees could be in for a stormy period.

    But Hal and his partners will make big bucks, so I guess it really doesn’t matter.

  32. Bronx Jeers March 20th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    A summary of the above links:

    A. Hal is cheap

    B. Hal is corny….and still cheap

    C. The Yanks are pri-cks when it comes to tickets

    D. The owners/MLB are going to try to keep money from poor foreigners that are good at baseball

    E. The owners/MLB are going to try to keep money from their own employees.

  33. CompassRosy March 20th, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Sorry if this has been posted – haven’t read all the posts but, see that the International Draft has been a topic…

    (BP podcast)
    http://www.baseballprospectus......um=twitter

  34. jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    Rich in NJ March 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am
    “What makes no sense? I was just heading off the snark.”

    You seem intent on mischaracterizing any criticism of the Yankees as snark. It simply isn’t true. It’s often rational, fact-based counterpoints to the pro-Yankee spin we here from much of the MSM and a portion of the fanbase.

    And the point remains. Being able (and willing) to spend big on IFA gave the Yankees a huge advantage because it supplemented the draft by bringing top of the draft, first round type of talent in the mL system. The more talent you bring in, the less mistakes matter.

    No, I was simply predicting a joke response to my one question.

    Wasn’t the talk on here that the Yankees weren’t spending big on international free agents anyway, relative to other teams?

  35. Jerkface March 20th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    Sorry if this has been posted – haven’t read all the posts but, see that the International Draft has been a topic…

    (BP podcast)
    http://www.baseballprospectus……um=twitter

    This is a good podcast. They mention something found in Dollar Sign on the Muscle, a book I mentioned last year or the year before, specifically about scouting & drafts. Drafts take the skill out of scouting, because you have all these known quantities, your scouts can’t hunt down players and work their magic. MLB will consolidate all the players that announce for the draft, they’re going to showcase. Its going to come down to where you pick.

  36. jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 1:09 am

    Won’t adding the international players increase the depth of the draft and mean the Yankees can get a good player even picking towards the end of the first round?

  37. Jerkface March 20th, 2013 at 1:15 am

    Won’t adding the international players increase the depth of the draft and mean the Yankees can get a good player even picking towards the end of the first round?

    If they do 1 draft, yes. If they hold a separate international draft, no.

  38. Jerkface March 20th, 2013 at 1:16 am

    The current CBA is built around a stand alone international draft being implemented (going over in 2013 means losing draft picks in an ‘international draft’ in 2014 if a draft is implemented).

  39. UnKnown March 20th, 2013 at 1:27 am

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....1-to-2012/

    Really good breakdown of Boesh’s swing. K-Long has some work to do here, but I think he can get him back to swinging the stick really well this year.

  40. charlestonchew March 20th, 2013 at 3:10 am

    I have a feeling that Brennan Boesch is going to prove to be the signing of the season and put up Nick Swisher numbers between the OF and at DH.

  41. ron March 20th, 2013 at 4:47 am

    This is why the yankees needed to trade cano,hughes,granderson,then sign free agents because they are going to either lose them,or have to pay them anyways.
    Hughes,granderson,cano would have landed you 4 solid prospects,minimum.

  42. Triple Short of a Cycle March 20th, 2013 at 7:01 am

    It means no more Gary Sanchez/Jesus Monteros. Unless they start losing, they’ll pick lower in the draft, and there are hardly ever 15+ guys that are very good. The Yankees tend to snag atleast 1, so kiss that goodbye.

    ———————————-

    They don’t go after International free agents anymore so what would change?

  43. MTU March 20th, 2013 at 7:10 am

    While it may be true that you do not need to have the highest payroll in baseball to win the WS it is also true that having a financial advantage is a plus.

    And clearly 189 was aimed at trying to level the playing field so there must be something to the extra money.

    I still think Hal is a seller unless he can run the Yankees like they were a hotel chain or something.

    Prove me wrong Hal. I’m ready to admit I’m wrong about you.

    ;)

  44. MTU March 20th, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Anyone else think that maybe it’s time for some new blood in Yankeeland ?

    C’mon Mr. Cuban. Buy the Yankees.

    Go ahead Jeter.Get some of your buddies together and buy the Yankees. You know you want to be an owner.

    :)

  45. Triple Short of a Cycle March 20th, 2013 at 7:17 am

    Cuban would never be allowed in the club. They’d rather have criminals like Loria

  46. MTU March 20th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Let’s not forget that “money” is neither good nor bad.

    The “love” of money is. Coveting it is the problem.

    Outside of that it’s just a tool. A tool to be used like any other tool.

    So it’s too bad that Baseball has decided that every team should have the same “toolset”.

    Utopia lives in the mind of Bud Smellig. But you ought to get real Bud. Get your head out of the clouds. Or maybe out of your a*s is more appropriate.

    How bout you institute something useful like more instant replay to get critical calls right.

    ;)

  47. jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Hal is either dumb about baseball or trying to hoodwink the fans. Yes, teams with lower payrolls win the WS, but they don’t do it as often as the Yankees have.

    They better find a way to win more WS than other teams with payrolls in the same (189) neighborhood, or he’s a fool if he thinks fans are just going to accept a be competitive team and still pay league domination type prices.

  48. MTU March 20th, 2013 at 7:27 am

    Triple-

    Boy do you have that one pegged.

    That SOB should be dragged behind a pickup by the people of Miami and videotaped for future enjoyment.

    ;)

  49. MTU March 20th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    Maybe young Stein should experiment w lower ticket prices and less costly food for the fans ?

    ;)

  50. Ghostwriter March 20th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Hal is either dumb about baseball or trying to hoodwink the fans. Yes, teams with lower payrolls win the WS, but they don’t do it as often as the Yankees have.

    ==============

    The Red Sox have won more World Series crowns over the last ten years with lower payrolls than the Yanks.

  51. Ghostwriter March 20th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    Jerkface March 19th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    Chip,

    Those kinds of arguments always fail for me because what you’re looking at is 1 team vs a field of 29 teams. The Yankees want to win every time….

    ———–

    How many WS have the Yanks won with payrolls greater than $150 million? ?125 million? $100 million?

  52. jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 7:47 am

    Ghostwriter March 20th, 2013 at 7:43 am
    jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Hal is either dumb about baseball or trying to hoodwink the fans. Yes, teams with lower payrolls win the WS, but they don’t do it as often as the Yankees have.

    ==============

    The Red Sox have won more World Series crowns over the last ten years with lower payrolls than the Yanks.

    So you are proposing that a higher payroll does not increase the chance of winning? The WS is kind of a bad measurement in a 10 year span anyway, as it is really a small sample size. Probably regular season wins is a better measurement of team ability in general.

  53. blake March 20th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    “They don’t go after International free agents anymore so what would change?”

    Well they have the ability to if they wanted…, an international draft takes that away

  54. MTU March 20th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    I don’t think that most would disagree w the contention that just spending money wildly will get you a championship. Because it won’t.

    But spending more money wisely certainly should help. So the key is to spend a lot of money well.

    As an example of how not to spend a lot of money wisely I cite the Dodgers.

    They’ve spent it like drunken sailors IMO. I don’t favor that either.

    The Marlins were another example of spending money poorly.

    They just tried buying every shiny toy in sight thinking they’d win it all that way.

    For one thing they forgot the concept of a “Team”, and they forgot to hire a competent guy to run it.

    You have to spend money but you have to spend it smart.

  55. Ghostwriter March 20th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Chip March 19th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Jerkface,

    The most terrifying part of the article was when he talks about how the 2009 Yankees are the only team in history to win a title with a $200+ M payroll so therefore the Yankees don’t need one to win.

    What an engaged owner realizes is that those teams that won with a sub $200m payroll didn’t have 5 players accounting for nearly $90mil; one of whom is clearly diminished.
    ==================

    Even if you throw out A-Rod’s salary, the Yanks are still spending about $180 million on payroll, which still makes them one of the highest payrolls in the league.

    Now, go ahead, and tell me how Tex and CC don’t earn their money. And I’ll reply that perhaps money isn’t quite the predictor of performance that many here seem to think it is. This is pretty much Hal’s point.

  56. BIG AL March 20th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    MTU -

    Good morning.

    Hal is too cheap to spend the money necessary to make the Yankees a heads-above-the field team. Heck, the MLB owners don’t even want to give pensions to non-uniformed folks any longer, cheap millionaires! I’ve said this many, many times, and agree with you, it’s about time Hal sells the team to an owner like Mark Cuban. And to all those that say Cuban won’t be allowed to own a MLB team, I say it’s about time Cuban sues MLB, and turns to Congress, and lobbys them to remove the protection they have, that they no longer need nor deserve.

    The only way Hal wakes up, is if the Yankees finish 4th or 5th, and then he’ll blame Girardi, not himself.

  57. Ghostwriter March 20th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 7:47 am

    Ghostwriter March 20th, 2013 at 7:43 am
    jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Hal is either dumb about baseball or trying to hoodwink the fans. Yes, teams with lower payrolls win the WS, but they don’t do it as often as the Yankees have.

    ==============

    The Red Sox have won more World Series crowns over the last ten years with lower payrolls than the Yanks.

    So you are proposing that a higher payroll does not increase the chance of winning?
    —–No.

    The WS is kind of a bad measurement in a 10 year span anyway, as it is really a small sample size.
    —-Look at a bigger sample if you have the data. The Yanks’ payrolls over the last 10 years have been an aberration.

    Probably regular season wins is a better measurement of team ability in general.
    —-The Yanks won the most games in MLB last year.

  58. blake March 20th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    “If the Yankees consider phelps a future starter in the bigs, he needs to be starting forever. He did not get many innings in 2012. If he goes to the bullpen he will not get many innings in 2013. Aren’t they looking forward to 2014? Do they not believe he is going to be a starter? If not, trade him, he is very valuable to a team that thinks he can start.”

    I agree with this and stated it as one of the reasons I’d actually trade Phelps for a guy like Olt if that were an option……I don’t really agree with it and it’s bad for his development but Phelps is probably going to the bullpen when Hughes is ready.

  59. RadioKev March 20th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    The Nats actually won the most games.

    Yankees were 1st in AL, 3rd overall, and right behind them at 4… the A’s.

  60. austinmac March 20th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    While the NY Times article says Hal is a weather expert, I say he doesn’t know which way the wind blows.

    He is going to get killed by the fans and media. That is a guarantee.

  61. Ghostwriter March 20th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    RadioKev March 20th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    The Nats actually won the most games.

    Yankees were 1st in AL, 3rd overall, and right behind them at 4… the A’s.
    ——–

    I stand corrected. But my point still stands.

  62. austinmac March 20th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    The Rangers sent Olt to their minor league camp. The Dallas paper said the Red Sox are combing the Rangers minor league complex. Hal is combing his hair.

  63. BIG AL March 20th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    blake -

    The best move, IMO, is for the Yankees to show Hughes is OK, then trade him, and keep Phelps in the rotation. I like Hughes, but, I believe he’ll be more injury prone, more expensive, and overall give you less of a chance to win than Phelps, in the long run.

  64. MTU March 20th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Morning Al.

    I don’t think spending a ton of coin is a sufficient condition to be a consistent WS winner over time but used wisely it is a necessary condition IMO.

    I don’t know if Hal is cheap or simply misguided. I don’t blame him for wanting to reset the tax.

    There is just something, and I’m not sure that I can put my finger on it, that doesn’t sit right w. me about him.

    Maybe I’m wrong and though quiet he has great passion for winning but I’m just not feeling it.

    And perhaps he’ll be true to his word when he says if the Yankees are not competitive he’ll open up the wallet.

    Guess we’ll see if he is the visionary that some may think, or just another greedy buisnessman clueless and w/o a baseball soul.

    I hope he’s a visionary but I wonder ?

    If he turns out to have the right approach I’ll be the first to say so and to apologize.

  65. jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    When the Yankees go below 189 next year, you can’t tell me that adding 30-40 mil to the payroll, which is two or three very good players, wouldn’t increase the teams’ chance of winning.

  66. blake March 20th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    ” I like Hughes, but, I believe he’ll be more injury prone, more expensive, and overall give you less of a chance to win than Phelps, in the long run.”

    Phelps has never started in the big leagues…..Hughes has won 18 and 16 games the 2 years he’s been healthy…..clearly the Yankees think Hughes is better or they would put Phelps in his place given that he’s controlled and Hughes isn’t.

    I like Phelpsy but I think like with Nunez its easy to overstate what he is…..he’s a 4th or 5th starter in the big leagues (maybe)…….also because he was in the pen all last year he doesn’t have the innings built up to step into Hughes spot and pitch a full season.

  67. RadioKev March 20th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    I stand corrected. But my point still stands.
    ———

    If your point was that the Yankees weren’t that good, then I disagree with your point.

    If I actually had to say this, rather than type it, I’d be blue in the face: The Tigers weren’t even good enough to be in the playoffs, and they got killed in the World Series. The Yankees offense went cold for two weeks, what can you do.

  68. MTU March 20th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    And now it’s time for a repast w. spicy overtones.

    :)

  69. jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    RadioKev March 20th, 2013 at 8:00 am
    The Nats actually won the most games.

    Yankees were 1st in AL, 3rd overall, and right behind them at 4… the A’s.

    Let’s not compare to NL. Aside from a handful of interleague games the AL and NL mostly don’t play each other. Also, single season is meaningless.

  70. RadioKev March 20th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    I agree with Blake. I think we generally overstate Phelps’ quality. He’s a good little pitcher, but I really don’t think he’s got Hughes’ upside. That said, he should definitely still be a starter.

  71. blake March 20th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    Congrats to the DR….I also think it’s funny that now the media is suggesting that this team would win the world series and that the DR is clearly the center of the baseball world.

    The DR’s pitching staff would get murdered over a 162 game season…..I mean destroyed……and while they do produce a lot of good players I still believe if the US took this thing as serious as other countries and sent it’s best players (in shape and motivated) then they would out class everyone.

    sadly that thought can only live in opinion because they seem unwilling to prove it.

  72. BIG AL March 20th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    MTU -

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    They may not see him in the future rotation. I hope you are wrong about that.

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