Spring training Game 26: Yankees vs. Red Sox
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YANKEES (9-15)
Brett Gardner LF
Eduardo Nunez SS
Kevin Youkilis 3B
Juan Rivera 1B
Ben Francisco RF
Jayson Nix 2B
Chris Stewart C
Thomas Neal DH
Melky Mesa CF
LHP Vidal Nuno (0-1, 1.08)
RED SOX (13-11)
Brock Holt 2B
Daniel Nava 1B
Jackie Bradley Jr. CF
Mauro Gomez DH
Mike Carp LF
David Ross C
Ryan Sweeney RF
Drew Sutton 3B
Jose Iglesias SS
LHP Felix Doubront (1-1, 2.08)
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES Network/ESPN
WEATHER: Temperatures in the 70s. Clouds overhead with about a 50 percent chance of rain.
UMPIRES: HP Dan Iassogna, 1B Mark Carlson, 2B Marty Foster, 3B Marcus Pattillo
elbow, but the Yankees still believe he has time to be ready for Opening Day. Cody Eppley, Joba Chamberlain, Jim Miller, David Aardsma and Shawn Kelley also made the trip.
LOOK OVER THERE: CC Sabathia is making his next-to-last spring start, but he’s doing it across the street at the minor league complex.
MVP for Cano: Robinson Cano was named MVP of the World Baseball Classic after hitting .469 with four doubles, two homers and six RBI. He set the record for the most hits in a single WBC tournament.
WHAT TO WATCH: Might as well watch Mason Williams. Didn’t get an invite to big league camp because of last year’s shoulder injury, but he’ll be here today for an at-bat or two. … Vidal Nuno has had a terrific big league camp. With another strong start today he could put himself firmly in the mix for a spot start or left-handed relief role at some point during the season. … Is the Youkilis-Rivera-Francisco combination a sign of things to come on Opening Day against Jon Lester? … Melky Mesa’s batting average is down to .186, which really supports those who believe he won’t make enough contact to be a viable big league hitter.
UPDATE, 1:39 p.m.: Though you wouldn’t know it based on all of us writers focused strictly on our computers, but the Yankees are playing a game and winning that game. They’re up 4-0 heading into the top of the third. Juan Rivera, Ben Francisco, Chris Stewart, Thomas Neal and Melky Mesa each had a hit in a four-run second.
yankeefeminista March 20th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
WTP, I assumed the same, and then realized, wait, I never saw the word “free,” I just assumed it. Luckily, I have mlb-tv, but that is kind of deceptive… Normally, in the regular season when they advertise like that, they are offering the one free game from the schedule.
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I bet you and I are not the only recipients of that e-mail that were fooled.
Oh well, I am recording the game on ESPN2
Just for fun I will log on to mlb.tv at game time to see if the stream is actually FREE
WTP, I think it was a marketing ploy. Oh, OK, it isn’t free but I was anticipating I was going to get to watch it, so I might as well buy it… Tricky, tricky.
Pruf, I think of that young Latin group though, their bodies are projected to continue to play at SS as they age: Avelino, Mateo and Baez. I don’t think Aquilar has the upside hit tool that they others have.
Go Yanks!
*the others have
Shame Spencer March 20th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
fem – Teams give up a fair amount for players they know they’ll only have for half a season all the time. If they feel it’s a difference maker by July, I’m sure teams would be interested.
They cannot keep both Hughes and Cano. It will completely screw them from 2014-16 assuming they want to be at $177.
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Granderson and Joba as well. At some point, they may have to take a hard look at what the future of this team may look like if they don’t exploit the assets they currently have.
Steinbrenner’s new paradigm stinks – because his GM can’t make it work.
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It’s not the paradigm, it’s the timing of it’s implementation.
Obviously, the personnel could have done more, but even a great new GM can’t make the paradigm work immediately.
WTP, you can always watch on VIP Sports with their live online streams; you just have to close a bunch of pop windows including some of the sleazy stuff they throw at you. But once you figure it out, it actually is pretty good for a free site.
pop up*
Shame, usually only if they can work out an extension and many don’t want to overpay. I still doubt we deal Hughes in season because our pitching is not exactly risk-free, and people who are penciling in Pineda are a little premature.
WTP, here is the link:
http://www.vipbox.tv/baseball/.....nline.html
There was no extension with CC to the Brewers or Beltran to the Giants, yf just to name two examples.
Cano is the only healthy starting position player from the 2012 lineup that is still with the team….that’s amazingl
Rich, I know, I am not saying it is impossible, but I somehow doubt we deal Hughes in season.
blake, kind of says it all.
McCulloughSL The good news? Cashman said Wang’s fastball was clocked around 93 mph during WBC. So there is that.
yf
I don’t think they will trade anyone except maybe Joba, because he is a bad seed, a very bad seed (/Seinfeld). They are never sellers. They always compete for the WS. Rinse. Repeat. The makeup of the team be damned.
Put mason in
blake, seriously. I have to do errands, and my mindset is, I should do them now so that I can watch Mason later. Shows my mentality RE: this team.
I just hope Mason hasn’t gotten too “big.”
Rich, QFT. I was envious last year when the Sox cleaned house. But not our M.O.
Is it my imagination or has no one really stepped up this spring to claim the open spots on the roster? Some are doing worse than others but it doesn’t seem like anyone has come up and wowed us.
blake March 20th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Cano is the only healthy starting position player from the 2012 lineup that is still with the team….that’s amazingl
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Stfu, for reals?! Oh the humanity….!
fem – Yeah look I definitely don’t want to trade him (or any of our other starters including Nova and Phelps) but ultimately if you can get something for any of these guys you have no intention of resigning (Hughes, Grandy, Joba) they can’t just let them walk. Even if it’s not a great haul, there will definitely be teams willing to give up a decent piece or two for Grandy’s power bat or a #2-3ish starter by the deadline.
on paper, this lineup looks like something out of the Miami Marlins media guide…
Carly March 20th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
McCulloughSL The good news? Cashman said Wang’s fastball was clocked around 93 mph during WBC. So there is that.
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Lol, all this means is someone will ‘outbid’ us with an MLB deal. Gotta imagine Wang wants more than a minor league deal and that he can get one in this atrocious market.
Grandy should have been traded last year.
@YankeesWFAN
“I’m not saying he’s going to be a DL. But I can’t tell you he won’t be.” –Brian Cashman on Derek Jeter.
I could never be a reporter lol, did Cash really call a conference to say this…?
yankeefeminista says:
March 20, 2013 at 1:19 pm
blake, seriously. I have to do errands, and my mindset is, I should do them now so that I can watch Mason later. Shows my mentality RE: this team.
I always would always rather watch prospect play in ST…..I’m gonna see the Yankees (or at least guys dressed up in pinstripes) play 162 times when the season starts…..
the chance of Wang being a successful major league starting pitcher again after so many years of injury and recuperation is pretty close to zero.
He was (and is) a one pitch pitcher, they don’t often have longevity on their side (for those of you old enough to remember, Mark Fidrych would be a good example).
I just hope Cash and Co. don’t let Jeet make the decision. If he needs to be DL’d they should DL him. We arrived here in the first place because they have always let Jeet call the shots. You could see weeks before the ankle collapsed that he could barely move.
Is the Youkilis-Rivera-Francisco combination a sign of things to come on Opening Day against Jon Lester?
Eeshhhh, and not on the Youkilis part (though eshhh because of that HR he hit off of Rivera in early 2009 in April off of Rivera in Fenway, the 0-8 season start against Boston)
That’s too bad about Melky Mesa. Was hoping he would have a good spring and maybe make the team. He has some exciting tools, but I guess he might have too many holes in his swing.
If he needs to be DL’d they should DL him
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Why bother when they can take up a roster spot by day-to-daying him like they’ve made a habit of doing over the last two years
With Jeter out, guess the lineup will be tough.
I’ll go with:
Gardner cf
Nunez ss
Cano 2b
Youk 3b
hafner dh
Rivera 1b
Ichiro rf
Francisco lf
Stewie c
This is what i think it will be, though it should be:
Gardner cf
nunez ss
ichiro rf
cano 2b
youk 1b
Rivera dh
Francisco lf
Musty 3b
cervelli c
BryanHoch “We’ll have to see how he’s responding. Hell, he could come here doing the jig. This guy’s ridiculous.” – B. Cashman on Derek Jeter
Is Cashman talking about himself or Jeter being the guy who is ridiculous, because there are some arguments to suggest Cashman has acted ridiculous.
am i watching espn2 or nesn?
jesus christ espn SUCKS!!!!!
blake, that goes without saying; I always prefer to watch the kids in ST. But before I was at least happy to also see the regulars progress, anticipating the regular season even though the last two weeks of ST are boring and meaningless. Now, even less reason to watch them. Watching the kids always gets me pumped for the MiLB season. I am just sorry that this year, Trenton opens in Maine and NH. A little too far for me to travel, unfortunately. But maybe our good friends in the North can get out there and support Yankee MiLB baseball, and give us reports.
Melky Mesa’s batting average is down to .186, which really supports those who believe he won’t make enough contact to be a viable big league hitter.
That is okay, he is an up the middle fielder potentially, and the Yanks already have precedent of taking up the middle fielders who have not bat (Chris Stewart) and defense, but at least Melky could run into a few pitches against lefties.
Shame, baseball players (and all other major sports) always play hurt to some extent, no one is 100% for very long-there are just too many games and too few off days.
Jeter is a gamer but I wouldn’t be surprised if he DH’s an awful lot this year, there is no way his ankle is even close to 100% and probably won’t be for a long time (if ever). Shortstop is just too demanding for a near 40 year old on a bum ankle to play all of the time and if Nunez can defend adequately I could see Jeet just concentrating on his offense-it’s something Paul Molitor did at the end of his career as well.
The Marlins will have more players from their 2012 lineup than the Yankees will on opening day
Good afternoon guys,
YF,
Agree on the Sux cleanup, Agree on Granderson ( about trading him last season or this winter for that matter, but I would have not trade for him for starters and kept Ajax )
On D Jeter…. Sad news, but predictable with an injury like his and at his age…. That’s why I thought Nunez could not be traded and that he would be key for our success this season….
Shame, because he will break down even worse than before. They really really need to pay attention, and try to optimize rather than wear their players down. Another reason our dumpster diving/age happy lineup isn’t a good choice is because the division now is so much more important, so more pressure to play regulars. So, why get younger, just ground those boys down, so that they have nothing left for the playoffs.
Cashman’s run at GM 15+ years now. Really? I don’t think he’s earned that. I honestly believe there are plenty of candidates that could outperform him at this point.
His act is really tired. It’s become more about himself now. Constantly in the media, making lame jokes, stunts like climbing buildings and skydiving. He’s just extremely annoying and I really wish they would give someone else a chance to run the team. He’s so far from indispensable, and I think the current ownership has seriously overrated him. The whole team I think needs to go in a new, fresh direction and replacing Cashman would fit in with that nicely.
I am interested to see whether in practice Joe changes the strategy for the offense, seeing as we basically don’t have any home run hitters in the lineup at this stage.
ac1 March 20th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
am i watching espn2 or nesn?
jesus christ espn SUCKS!!!!!
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That’s about half an hour of talking about Bradley now…
Cashman’s run at GM 15+ years now. Really? I don’t think he’s earned that. I honestly believe there are plenty of candidates that could outperform him at this point.
I think it was Bowden on ESPN who was referring to one of Theo’s Lts. in Chicago who might make a good GM. Bowden gave the Seattle owner two names back in 07 or 08, and those names were Jack Z and Rizzo with the Nationals.
And this is just me, but I think there are PR storm clouds gathering with the Rangers and this Nolan Ryan PR possible fiasco. Jon Daniels might want to return home (even though he grew up I believe a Mets fan)
Hi Luis! Agree on all counts. I too would love to still have AJax, but this is how we do business. Still hoping our self-imposed austerity mandate changes the way we execute going forward. I have great hope for our youth; we do have some depth there, as the next wave hits the shore. So, hopefully some of the new group pans out. And at least Trenton team will be fun to watch…
What a lineup for Mo to go out with… Something has got to give. I’d love to be surprised by a big deal to get younger and more cost controlled, but I am not holding my breath.
Bases loaded for Gardy.
YankeesWFAN Yanks working out Chien-Ming Wang. Threw 92-93 in WBC. Could be AAA deal, insurance for big league rotation.
Cashman earned the GM role because he was the real life model for George Costanza bringing Old George those great calzones back in the day…
Josh Norris?@jnorris4272h
Jairo Heredia doing some slinging today. Between 88-90. Bryan Mitchell is up to 94.
MG,
The “Bird” Fiedrich! That was a long time ago.. But he is a very good example… Still remeber how excentric the guy was
i mean really espn?
yankees have more to talk about and are at home and winning this game.
i have heard one mention of the yankees in the entire game so far.
Have to agree with you re Cashman, theREALkevin.
Yes, I can be accused of being an “entitled” Yankee fan, but the roster for 2013 is simply not good enough for a club of the New York Yankees’ stature – or a club that wants to charge their fans top dollar for seats and concessions.
Now Cashman is preparing us for the shock of starting the season without Jeter, Tex or Grandy.
I think it says it all about the current state of the Yankees universe that we are picking up players discarded by the Tigers and Indians, and giving a try out to a pitcher who was in his prime four years ago.
It’s time for Cashman to go and the Steinbrenners to sell to someone who wants to continue the Yankees’ commitment to winning Championships…each and every year.
Cherish these offensive bursts folks.
Yanks small balling Doubront to death so far. Single by Rivera(he continues to hit), double by Francisco, sac fly by Nix. Then rbi single by Chris “no bat” Stewart, and singles by Neal and Mesa. Neal is the guy who could sneak onto the roster. He’s had a good Spring
Josh Norris?@jnorris4272h
To recap: Chien-Ming Wang was here this morning. He’ll have a tryout later this week and will throw some bullpens.
Josh Norris?@jnorris4273h
From Newman: Wang is having a tryout later this week. He’ll throw a couple of pens and they will go from there.
Maybe Larry David could buy the team…
Heredia was throwing hard in his first game after being off for so long. He’s always had great stuff. Let’s hope he can stay healthy, big if.
Mitchell needs to improve FB command, but kid’s got a heckuva arm.
Atta boy, Eduardito!
Jeter’s value mostly lies with his offense at this point, I think this is a perfect opportunity for Nunez to shine or bust. Due to the lack upper tier legit talents, the spotlights are on mildly gifted hitter like Nunez, Mustelier, and oft injury Adams. I think Nunez upside is an above average MLB SS offensively with barely adequate D and good range. We can find that out this season.
So tht’s the amazing Jackie Bradley Jr in CF?
Couldn’t even get the ball to home from shallow center?
Rich in NJ March 20th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Maybe Larry David could buy the team…
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and make Susie Green the manager, she wouldn’t need a binder…
Wang has somewhat reinvented himself. I saw a very good CB last year. Unfortunately, I missed his WBC outings; how did he look?
Let me guess…ESPN is making this game a Willie Mays 2.0 (Jackie Bradley) love fest
Nunez definitely has an above average bat for SS. I think he can be above average defensively, but we shall see.
Now thats what you call manufacturing runs friends. See how easy that was? Good situational hitting is what we’re gonna need this season.
I’ve said this many times but I don’t think we can evaluate Cashman accurately without knowing how tightly Hal’s strings are attached to his back……
Yes, I can be accused of being an “entitled” Yankee fan
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I think all of us “entitled” Yankees are um, entitled to a really well-run rebuilding/reloading process, directed by a GM who has a proven track record of overseeing a successful rebuilding process.
Fem, something you wrote made me think of the book The Confederacy of Dunces; Have you ever read that?
Let me guess…ESPN is making this game a Willie Mays 2.0 (Jackie Bradley) love fest
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No they are making Willie Mays a Jackie Bradley 2.0.
YF:
If Wang has indeed come up with a CB, then he could be quite effective. Hitters had learned to lay off his signature sinker. He always had a decent changeup. If his velocity is 92-93 and his CB is average, I think he could be effective again
“No they are making Willie Mays a Jackie Bradley 2.0.”
figures…..
How bout they talk about how Vidal Nuno pitching this well for 3 innings?
No, we get a 10 minute convo about Doubront, who has given up 4 runs in 2 innings, and JBJ, who made an AWFUL throw from shallow CF to home.
“I’ve said this many times but I don’t think we can evaluate Cashman accurately without knowing how tightly Hal’s strings are attached to his back……”
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OTOH, he has had a huge payroll advantage, more power since 2006, and a self-acknowledged belief that pitching wins.
He can’t have the sweet without accepting the bitter, and the record of development, trades, and free agent signings is spotty, at best.
And a lot about John Farrell who has no real history of success as a manager.
Somehow he is the best one in MLB history.
I think Nunez might could have an average SS bat if he played full time and I think he will likely always be a liability defensively….he’s not a prospect anymore….chances are he pretty much is what he is.
YF,
Me too… But I don’t think they have the guts to do an extreme overhaul, even though, the facts are crying out to them to do so… Also, I think the window of opportunity to do so has passed… Too many LT contracts to aging players that are untradeable and those that could be traded, expire this season so their potential to bring some talent back is diminished ( Granderson for instance )… The only player that has real value is Cano, and his contract expires this season… I wonder if they offered an extension as an excuse ( to the fans ) to let him walk by the end of next season…
Kevin, I would welcome the idea of having someone at helm who is capable of critical thought process and some original ideas when examining the changing landscapes of MLB baseball, that is not Cashman.
OTOH, he has had a huge payroll advantage, more power since 2006, and a self-acknowledged belief that pitching wins.
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This will be the season where we see if Cashman is correct that pitching is more important than offense.
If we win this year, it will be because of the pitching.
“and make Susie Green the manager, she wouldn’t need a binder…”
As Susie might say, F the binder.
Josh has a bunch of MiLB AB’s and C!!! game vids on youtube, linked from his twitter. https://twitter.com/jnorris427
Cashmoney, I haven’t read it; explain, please.
* Of the end of this season* I meant to say
“OTOH, he has had a huge payroll advantage, more power since 2006, and a self-acknowledged belief that pitching wins.”
he’s also made the playoffs 15 out of the last 16 years…..something no other team (even the ones that also spend a lot of money) can come close to. I don’t think Cashman is perfect…..but his track record is pretty darn good as an executive when it comes to counting the actual score…..I wish they could keep him and hire a new GM to work with him.
“he’s also made the playoffs 15 out of the last 16 years…..something no other team (even the ones that also spend a lot of money) can come close to. I don’t think Cashman is perfect…..but his track record is pretty darn good as an executive when it comes to counting the actual score…..I wish they could keep him and hire a new GM to work with him.”
He inherited a near perfect team: a bunch of young stars in their prime, supplemented by veterans that had already won.
Tell you though, Bradley does look like he’s gonna be a good hitter. In the meantime, Nuno continues to fly under the radar, but has pitched very well this Spring. Could be a long man out of the pen
We won last year because of the pitching. Too bad Cash made a deal because he underrated his pitching and overrated his offense. All we want is balance and smart decisions.
Luis, probably. I hope that if they can’t resign Cano, they won’t say they tried, and then villify Cano next. Very happy to see him and Pena as WBC champions yesterday. Congrats to them!
This may as well be NESN.
This may as well be NESN.
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WORSE!
Even RemDawg talks about the game and the opponents.
“He inherited a near perfect team: a bunch of young stars in their prime, supplemented by veterans that had already won.”
yea but that near perfect team was gone by the early 2000′s….look I’m playing devil’s advocate to some degree but I don’t think we can say that Cashman has had nothing to do with the success they’ve had…..
Nix is going to be a good guy on the bench this year…
blake, I think more consistent play will help Nunez’s D. He gets out of whack when he doesn’t play enough. He was fairly steady at SS in Trenton.
yea but that near perfect team was gone by the early 2000?s….look I’m playing devil’s advocate to some degree but I don’t think we can say that Cashman has had nothing to do with the success they’ve had…..
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Agreed. And even that 1998-2000 team required the right players coming in.
Brosius and his .203 average in 1997 in Oakland?
Who would think he would be key to our 1998 team?
Blake,
He did it with a core of players already in place… He riped the benefits of Michaels tenure…Add to that a 200 million payroll… He is a failure because he failed to develop or build a new core when it was obvious that the old one could not be asked to anchor the team anymore… The coming “down” period that we are heading was avoidable … It was unnecesary if they had the patience and valor to let kids play.
Fem, not much in the context of what you wrote, just a word you used and different personalities on this blog made me think of the book. It was published posthumously,John Kennedy Toole, who penned a story of misadventures by a modern day quixotic lad. I thought of it was funny and a thought provoking read. Try it, if you have time.
Girardi just mentioned Rivera is having a good camp, so we know he’s in and Mustelier is probably out. Also mentioned Bosch, so that decision is probably already made…
“he failed to develop or build a new core when it was obvious that the old one could not be asked to anchor the team anymore… The coming “down” period that we are heading was avoidable … It was unnecesary if they had the patience and valor to let kids play.”
Or the foresight to deal off players before their contracts were up to re-infuse. And for the good signings like CC and Moose, Cash has signed so many lemon pitchers that I don’t have enough fingers on my hands to count them. Plus his or his staff’s ability to evaluate pitchers has to be questioned over and over again. Add to that his very prescriptive and one-dimensional concept of what a baseball team should be. He is downright dogmatic, and needs to be less so.
“He is a failure because he failed to develop or build a new core when it was obvious that the old one could not be asked to anchor the team anymore…”
that’s easier said than done though when you pick at the back of the draft every year…..the core that built the dynasty was a once in a lifetime type thing…..that’s incredibly rare to have that many players come along all the the same time like that. That’s not to say they haven’t made some mistakes……but building a core that can win in the big leagues isn’t easy.
When you are never allowed to rebuild (as the Yankees never have been) then it’s tough to actually build a home grown core…
Well, we knew that Juan Rivera was as good as golden.
“yea but that near perfect team was gone by the early 2000?s….look I’m playing devil’s advocate to some degree but I don’t think we can say that Cashman has had nothing to do with the success they’ve had…..”
I have repeatedly said that he isn’t a bad GM, just not a very good one.
If he had met the standard he set in 2006, when he said that he would no longer need to sign other teams’ expensive FA pitchers because he would develop his own; if he would have acknowledged the aging offense and kept the young hitters that he deserves credit for acquiring, I would have been happy for him to stay on. Instead, he has kept doubling down on one-dimensional hitters, claiming that he is just doing what Stick taught him, which just isn’t true. And the idea that pitching rather than balance wins is troubling.
Then there is the public persona which has gone from a reasonable, humble guy to frankly, trollish behavior.
It’s time for both him and the Yankees to explore something new.
YF,
Agreed on Nunez… He needs reps on the field… The more he plays, the better he’ll get, especially in his foot work, which I think is his main problem…His bat will be above avg for the position…. No D Jeter though, but how many SS could be compared to him in his prime? 4 maybe 5 and I am being generous.
But Cash didn’t have to build the new core only from within. He could have made some timely deals to get players back for the Swisher’s and Grandy’s of the world, but chose not to.
No point in arguing how much Cashman contributed to our success in the past (and bear in mind we have won one Championship in the past 12 years). It’s what he does in the future that counts…and whether he can produce a winning team within the current budgetary constraints.
“Then there is the public persona which has gone from a reasonable, humble guy to frankly, trollish behavior.”
I don’t like that at all…..that’s why I think they need to guy him out of the GM chair and hire somebody new with fresh ideas to do that job…..move Cash to a president of something role where he still has input but isn’t the guy out there calling Brennon Boesch a big hairy monster
I have repeatedly said that he isn’t a bad GM, just not a very good one.
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that’s pretty much it, Yanks could do better or worse… I like try on a new one.
What i don’t get is, polaric thoughts on these matters, just as pitching vs defense or hr vs avg. You need bit of both.
Blake granted… It is eaiser to say than done… But watch Ajax, Kennedy, Montero… They could all have been part of the team right now.. Not as good as the old core ( As you say, that’sa one in a lifetime core ), but good enough to have a core that could give us satisfactions.
He had the opportunity to rebuild and at the same time compete… He squandered that chance by trading the wrong players for instant gratification… As YF said, He is too dogmatic and one dimensional… He is not a good executive… Average at best
I just think it’s very hard to evaluate Cashman…..because I don’t know how much power he really has and I also don’t know how ownership influences his decisions. Maybe he’ll write a book one day…
I guess one bright side of losing Teixeira and Granderson is that they are the two most pull happy and shifted on guys in the lineup, so we won’t have to watch that at least…
“Then there is the public persona which has gone from a reasonable, humble guy to frankly, trollish behavior.”
I initially thought the unexpurgated Cashman was refreshing, but he has gone overboard. I’d call it irresponsible behavior for someone who is the GM of arguably the world’s most renown franchise (with a nod to the soccer powers of the world). What I have found unconscionable is that he doesn’t only troll the fans, but his own players, and vilifies the players who he has dealt. I preferred the more close to the vest Cash.
Atta boy, Nunz.
yankeefeminista March 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
But Cash didn’t have to build the new core only from within. He could have made some timely deals to get players back for the Swisher’s and Grandy’s of the world, but chose not to.
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This….
yankeefeminista March 20th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Shame, because he will break down even worse than before. They really really need to pay attention, and try to optimize rather than wear their players down. Another reason our dumpster diving/age happy lineup isn’t a good choice is because the division now is so much more important, so more pressure to play regulars. So, why get younger, just ground those boys down, so that they have nothing left for the playoffs.
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Hey just saw this, fem. I was just joking… they’ve had a weird habit of not DLing players and using an undermanned roster the past two years. It’s strange.
blake, it is hard to evaluate him to some extent. But what has he done recently in terms of constructing a team that remains viable. The overrating of the offense and of Alex as a middle of the order bat is troubling, to say the least.
Anybody noticed how well Nuno has pitched? Or is the GM still the subject?
“Blake granted… It is eaiser to say than done… But watch Ajax, Kennedy, Montero… They could all have been part of the team right now.”
for all we know though Cashman may have wanted to sign Matt Holliday and kept Ajax and Kennedy and signed Yu Darvish and kept Montero……that’s the thing…..how do we know Hal didn’t say….get me a pitcher but you can’t spend any money? So Cashman makes a trade because he has no other choice……
I think Cashman is a bitter man at this point and is going thru a mid- life crisis.
Didn’t they try to shop Grandy?
Shame, they did it with Russell; they wouldn’t DL him although the bench was short. However, he was so important to the D that I guess they figured he could get some strike calls even from the dugout. He was that good!
blake March 20th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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Maybe but wouldn’t that go against Hal’s build from within plan. He talks about the kids just as much if not more than Cash does.
blake, you are really going out on a limb at this point. Cash told us he didn’t want to sign Sori or re-sign Alex once he walked. Don’t you think Cash would have opened his mouth to elucidate what his deals were or weren’t? Come on!
jacksquat March 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
I guess one bright side of losing Teixeira and Granderson is that they are the two most pull happy and shifted on guys in the lineup, so we won’t have to watch that at least…
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Ahhh silver linings
Thomas the Real Deal Neal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cash has a pretty good gig. No sympathy given due to the fact that he is getting older. We all get old and don’t have the benefit to get older by being the GM of the freaking greatest sports franchise ever.
Dude should suck it up.
Cashmoney March 20th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
I think Cashman is a bitter man at this point and is going thru a mid- life crisis.
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Could be, but there is just too much of a focus on Cashman, the person, lately. It is kind of creepy, actually. and this is partially a result of Cash’s own making. Whereas before he was a baseball persona, he has gotten too big for his britches, too much blabbering. He should tone it down.
Hey Tom,
He has pitch very well…
JS, I am thinking of the new defensive alignments of pulling INF and OF in for 5/9 yankee hitter, we will call it poor hitter alignment.
Has anyone seen randy around lately?
Atta Boy Nuney! Makes an error, then comes right back to start a 6-4-3 DP.
tomingeorgia March 20th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Anybody noticed how well Nuno has pitched? Or is the GM still the subject?
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The GM is always gonna be the main subject on this forum.
Odds, Randy was around a lot last week. Not at all recently.
parting thoughts, the earlier this team start rebuilding, the better off for the future I think they will be.
have a good one all.
This has been an entertaining game with some good Yankee pitching and some nice rangy defense in the outfield. Even Nunez, though he got handcuffed on that one groundball, cameback to start a nice DP. As I said, entertaining.
I was wondering why he hasn’t chimed in over the past few days
And then Nunez turns a nice DP, good arm.
Does Nuno have a chance to make the team as a bullpen lefty or should he start in AAA? He gets people out and has since the Yankees signed him.
Odds, he probably needed a Lohud time out.
Yea probably we all need a break sometimes
Odds,
He is probably playing golf down in Florida
Later Cash…
Tackleberry,
There isn’t much else to talk about… Other than who got hurt now?, Who is the next scrap heap signing?… Will they trade the farm for a 3B?…. When does the actual rebuilding starts?… Why haven’t they maximize on the trade opportunities to get talent back? ( oops here comes the cashman issue again )
Against All Odds March 20th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Yea probably we all need a break sometimes
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Except from complaining and moaning about Hal and Cashman
Cashman “blabbers” in order to get attention. We know from the Winter Meetings, he can Not buy a box of paper clips without permission. The dude was “F Trooped” some time ago.
Jeet now possibly going on the D\L, just continues the string of Lies spewed out by the Yankees relating to player injuries. Gardner, Pettitte, TEX, Logan, Hughes, Jeet, it Never stops.
Mac,
Another Loogy? When we need starters long term…Nah, he should start in the minors and see what happens… if he fails, then you convrt him in to a reliever, not before my friend… JMHO
Tackel,
Now for the 2,231 episode of “As the World Turns”.
This has been an entertaining game with some good Yankee pitching and some nice rangy defense in the outfield. Even Nunez, though he got handcuffed on that one groundball, cameback to start a nice DP. As I said, entertaining.
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Thanks Tom.
That rehash every thread, is a total drag.
Tackelberry March 20th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Against All Odds March 20th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Yea probably we all need a break sometimes
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Except from complaining and moaning about Hal and Cashman
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If the team was in a better shape going forward Hal and Cashman wouldn’t catch the amount of heat that they do now. The thing that killed this team going forward was them botching Generation Trey.
I like Gardner, I’ve always liked Gardner. What a nice catch.
Against All Odds March 20th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Tackelberry March 20th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Against All Odds March 20th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Yea probably we all need a break sometimes
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Except from complaining and moaning about Hal and Cashman
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If the team was in a better shape going forward Hal and Cashman wouldn’t catch the amount of heat that they do now. The thing that killed this team going forward was them botching Generation Trey.
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Nah. You and others would still be complaining cause no matter what, you always want more. 95% of the commenters here are all GM wannabes
Here comes Joba… He looks trimmed
Donny,
We are all aware of his current situation…. But we have talked about his whole body of work… Not just this past year
Nice inning by Joba.
Luis,
It was just such opinions I was looking for. I think I agree. He may be a need for the rotation next year.
Gardner with the catch – Piniella waxes poetic and zip, nada, no response by cognoscenti.
Up the dark place without means of enlightenment.
I like Joba much better at 96. He looks pretty good.
- luis -
That comment was Not mine.
It’s really silly for the commentators to count the Yankees out this year. If they miss Granderson & Teixeira for the minimum time and Alex comes back roughly on schedule, the Yankees have a chance to go on an amazing run this season and retake 1st place. It’s not even as if our lineup is THAT bad right now, either. We can keep in the fight until our reinforcements arrive and then start crushing opponents.
Tackle,
With all due respect…. I was a staunch Cashman supporter at one point, he talked the talk, but never followed through with it… Believe me, If I didn’t think that they are running the team to the ground, I would not be complaining….
I am not a GM wannabe. I am a fan and I wish they would do everything possible to win including spending a lot of money. Why would any fan want otherwise?
Bo,
That was a fine catch, going full speed toward the corner. The boy can play.
My mistake. Did Not know you meant Cashman. His previous body of work means nothing. The man has been stripped of almost all the power he previously held, and now has turned himself into a cartoon character.
Sorry Donny… I misread yours… Excuse me
Tackelberry March 20th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Against All Odds March 20th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Tackelberry March 20th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Against All Odds March 20th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Yea probably we all need a break sometimes
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Except from complaining and moaning about Hal and Cashman
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If the team was in a better shape going forward Hal and Cashman wouldn’t catch the amount of heat that they do now. The thing that killed this team going forward was them botching Generation Trey.
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Nah. You and others would still be complaining cause no matter what, you always want more. 95% of the commenters here are all GM wannabes
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A majority off ppl here just want a clear and concise plan. Hal’s heart is in the right place as far as building from within but he’s going about it all wrong. He is looking at the kids to save the day not realizing they are aren’t and when they are it’s going to take time for them to become regulars.
Yankees should hold a raffle. Winner gets to be “GM For A Day”, and have the power to do Nothing.
- luis -
A-OK
I see Nix over Musty, they won’t take both.
Don’t see them demoting Francisco.
It’s not even as if our lineup is THAT bad right now, either.
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You’re talking about a line-up that would feature Cano as the sole hold over from 2012 Opening Day. That’s if Jeter is out longer than expected.
Mason is in playing center, if anyone is watching.
A majority off ppl here just want a clear and concise plan. Hal’s heart is in the right place as far as building from within but he’s going about it all wrong. He is looking at the kids to save the day not realizing they are aren’t and when they are it’s going to take time for them to become regulars.
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This…
tomingeorgia March 20th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Mason is in playing center, if anyone is watching.
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Yep, and he will get an at bat in the bottom of the 8th
Poor Hanley. All I was saying last night while the WBC game was winding down was, Cano, don’t get hurt; don’t get hurt.
I never wish injuries on anyone nor take pleasure in seeing players put on DL but I have to be honest. I’ m kind of glad some of these regulars are missing time early in the season because it forces the hand of management to give some young players a chance to play. That’s how bad it’s gotten in Yankeeland nowadays that it takes an injury for them to give a young player a shot.
Mason doesn’t look that big to me….i don’t think he weights 200 pounds
aren’t ready*
Tidrow, except the young players aren’t the ones who are going to make the club.
Came here especial to see Mason. Yay.
He’ll face Miller…. That’s a good test for him
I do Not consider ST, “getting a shot”. Even Billy Crystal got a ST AB.
“blake, you are really going out on a limb at this point. Cash told us he didn’t want to sign Sori or re-sign Alex once he walked. Don’t you think Cash would have opened his mouth to elucidate what his deals were or weren’t? Come on!”
you think he’s going to say….look I wanted to sign Matt Holliday and Yu Darvish but Hal is a tightwad and wouldn’t let me? Doubtful
yankeefeminista March 20th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Tidrow, except the young players aren’t the ones who are going to make the club.
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Nope
@JackCurryYES 2m
If Jeter began season on DL, he’d miss at least 6 days. Teams can only back date DL stint until March 22, 9 days before MLB season opens.
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interesting information, makes the case for putting Tex on the 60 day
Couldn’t they have inserted Mason to hit instead if Maruszak in that place in the order?
Tex..? Nah, the guys going to be day-to-day for like 3 months, that’s all.
did Mason hit?
Austinmac,
Originally Mason was in that spot. Then it updated to show him hitting behind gardner.
Also no- fing- way did Lou Pinella just use the term rape to on a TV broadcast. Come on, guys.
I guess we won’t see Mason bat
blake March 20th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
“blake, you are really going out on a limb at this point. Cash told us he didn’t want to sign Sori or re-sign Alex once he walked. Don’t you think Cash would have opened his mouth to elucidate what his deals were or weren’t? Come on!”
you think he’s going to say….look I wanted to sign Matt Holliday and Yu Darvish but Hal is a tightwad and wouldn’t let me? Doubtful
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Not that way but he has been candid over the past few seasons. He does a sit down with Mike every yr. Maybe someone will bring up Holliday, Darvish, etc
Rats. Maybe they’ll hit one out there.
I can tell it’s Montgomery by the rosy cheeks. Well, a little bit of interest.
Right, there are ways Cash gets across what he wanted to do/not do and/or when his hands have been tied, even if in an oblique fashion.
Boo, tie it up Boston, so that Mason can bat!
“Not that way but he has been candid over the past few seasons. He does a sit down with Mike every yr. Maybe someone will bring up Holliday, Darvish, etc”
I think there is a difference in saying you didn’t want to spend money but ownership did and saying that you wanted to and ownership wouldn’t let you……I’m not saying that’s what happened…..I am saying that we don’t know all the details of all these moves and why they were made or who decided that for them to be made
Mason sighting!
K
Not really impressed with Monty’s FB… His slider on the other hand is very good
We’re not going to know about possibly a bunch of moves Cashman wanted to make but was vetoed by superiors. We all know how much Hank, Levine, Hal etc have meddled with roster management. It’s possible Cashman wanted guys like Cespedes, Darvish, etc. but was not allowed to bid high enough.
I think there is a difference in saying you didn’t want to spend money but ownership did and saying that you wanted to and ownership wouldn’t let you…
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True but according to ppl that have went to the Dinner with Cashman he has revealed a number of things that the public didn’t know.
Not really impressed with Monty’s FB… His slider on the other hand is very good
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I sure expected more FB. Agree with the slider. Maybe Rothschild can do a Robertson on him.
Nice Montgomery slider for the final K. Nice game. Good defense, showed small ball, great pitching all the way through. As I said before, entertaining.
Over/under that Cervelli puts up a higher WAR than Martin this year? Just noticed that Martin is now batting .125 with an amazingly pathetic OPS (around 0.5 I believe). Not that the spring numbers tell the whole story, but after his poor showing in the first half last year I get the sense that he might have a really awful season.
Got to go guys… Have a good one all
Paco,
It will depend on Russel’s hero swings… If comes down to earth, he might surprise you… If not, he is going to be chasing the mendoza line all season long.
I think Pinella already got called out by Awful Announcing… I don’t even wanna know how that came up.
What did Lou say?
What did Lou say?
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Compared some trade to rape, like this: “Now i dont want to use the word rape, but boy they gave up a lot of talent.”
“Not that the spring numbers tell the whole story, but after his poor showing in the first half last year I get the sense that he might have a really awful season.”
You know who had a horrible spring last year? Mike Trout hit .167.
Bo knows March 20th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I like Gardner, I’ve always liked Gardner.
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me too
Cashman pulled no punches over the Soriano signing. I would expect likewise if that occured with other possible signings, whether he wanted the player or did Not.
get use to seeing Jeter out of the lineup…going to happen over and over again
Pinella:
‘I don’t wanna use the word raped…’
http://www.bobsblitz.com/2013/.....s+Blitz%29
Ugh. He’s dreadful to listen to overall, but that’s definitely a bit much.