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Friday morning notes: DL seems likely for Hughes

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 22, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes is scheduled to throw 45-50 pitches this afternoon, and there’s time for him to make two more starts before he’s needed in the big leagues. But the disabled list might be inevitable.

“Don’t assume, but my guess is that he’s going to need some more pitching beside these next two starts,” manager Joe Girardi said. “… We’ve got a week to go and I can’t tell you what our need is going to be in a week. That’s the thing. That’s why I don’t want to say yeah, he’s definitely going to do it because things could change real quick.”

Pitching every five days, Hughes would be on schedule to start April 6. Conveniently, that would be the fifth game of the season. Also convenient: That’s the first day a player could be activated from a backdated disabled list stint (a backdated DL assignment can start as early as March 22, which is today).

Basically, there’s little reason not to put Hughes on the disabled list to start the season.

“You could do that,” Girardi said. “Hypothetically we could do that. It’s not a problem. We could take an extra bullpen guy or do what you want to do.”

Even without the logistics, there might be another reason to have Hughes start on the disabled list. Girardi said he wants to make sure Hughes can throw 90-plus pitches when he makes his first big league start. Three starts might be enough for Hughes to get there, but it might also feel rushed, and Girardi has said time and time again that it’s better to have Hughes miss one start than to rush him into the rotation. That’s especially true with David Phelps stretched out and ready to take a start.

“Just depends on how (Hughes) is throwing,” Girardi said. “It would be nice to do that to make sure they’re built up. … I really want to see how he does these next two starts before I really say where he’s going to be. He’s got the start today, and he’ll have another five days later. Let’s see how many pitches and how far he goes.”

• Clay Rapada threw 15 fastballs off a mound this morning, but… “My guess is Rapada is going to start on the DL,” Girardi said. Rapada said he wants to make sure he’s able to pitch several days in a row before being activated. “If I’m not fully healthy, I don’t want to set back the team,” Rapada said. “I don’t feel like I’m very far off.”

• With Hughes and Rapada candidates for the disabled list, which relievers standout? Girardi wouldn’t really say. “All of these guys have a chance that are in camp,” he said. “We’ll continue to evaluate this next week and how each guy fits in your bullpen, their strengths and their weaknesses.”

• Is Vidal Nuno in the mix? “He’s a possibility, yeah,” Girardi said.

• Francisco Cervelli is going down to the complex to catch Hiroki Kuroda this afternoon. Not sure who’s catching Phil Hughes, but it will be one of the minor league guys. Bobby Wilson was hit in the finger by a foul tip yesterday and won’t catch today.

• Girardi said, once again, that he has no plans of batting Brett Gardner, Derek Jeter and Ichiro Suzuki — in any order — in the 1-2-3 spots in the lineup.

Today’s second string: C Francisco Arcia, 1B Dan Johnson, 2B Corban Joseph, SS Gil Velazquez, 3B Walter Ibarra, LF Jose Pirela, CF Ramon Flores, RF Addison Maruszak

Today’s scheduled relievers: Jim Miller, Preston Claiborne, Branden Pinder, Josh Spence, Juan Cedeno

Up from minor league camp: RHP Kelvin Perez, RHP Tom Kahnle, RHP Ryan Pope, RHP Craig Heyer, LHP Fred Lewis, C Francisco Arcia, C Jeff Farnham, INF Reegie Corona and OF Ramon Flores are making today’s trip to Fort Myers.

• Tomorrow’s travel squad:
Pitchers: Preston Claiborne, Cody Eppley, Shawn Kelley, Jim Miller, Andy Pettitte, Branden Pinder, Josh Spence
Catchers: Chris Stewart, Bobby Wilson
Infielders: Travis Hafner, Walter Ibarra, Dan Johnson, Corban Joseph, Addison Maruszak, Jayson Nix, Eduardo Nunez, Jose Pirela, Gil Velazquez, Kevin Youkilis
Outfielders: Brennan Boesch, Brett Gardner, Melky Mesa, Ronnier Mustelier, Thomas Neal, Juan Rivera, Ichiro Suzuki

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58 Responses to “Friday morning notes: DL seems likely for Hughes”

  1. Tackelberry March 22nd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    So it looks like both Phelps and Nova will each get a start in the series in Detroit that first weekend.

  2. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    @DannyKnoblerCBS 34s

    J.C. Romero signed with Nationals, team announced. Pitched for Puerto Rico in WBC.

    —-

    Good depth move for the Nats.

  3. RadioKev March 22nd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    I think the megadeal is the logical conclusion of the old free agent model. The young mega-extension is becoming the new model, and I think their could be greater benefits going that course.

    My favorite comment about the Cardinals letting Pujols go, I don’t remember who said it, was that the Cards got 10 years of the Beatles and now the Angels get 10 years of the solo Beatles.

    I think we’ve gotten Robbie’s Beatles…

  4. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I asked in the last thread but Chad got sneaky on me so I’ll ask in here: assuming we resign Cano and only have room for one bigger-ish contract do you retain Hughes or Grandy or neither?

    I think I go with neither.

  5. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    If Hughes’s back is ok then this is probably for the best…..he’d miss like 1 start ….whereas coming back too early and having a set back could cost him much longer. They really need a healthy Hughes this year…..

  6. RadioKev March 22nd, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Not Grandy, but maybe Hughes.

  7. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    They really need a healthy Hughes this year…..

    —————-

    It’s weird.. if he’s crappy we might be able to sign him for a song but if he’s good we might lose him for nothing lol. Risks either way,of course.

  8. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “I asked in the last thread but Chad got sneaky on me so I’ll ask in here: assuming we resign Cano and only have room for one bigger-ish contract do you retain Hughes or Grandy or neither?”

    depends on the money and years….I’d love to retain Hughes and I think Granderson’s price could fall to a point where a new deal for him could be worthwhile…..but if they sign Cano I think it’s highly likely that both Granderson and Hughes are let go if they mean to stay on budget…….it’s going to be tight with Cano…..it would be next to impossible with another significant contract IMO

  9. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    ” As Major League Baseball continues to investigate Ryan Braun and all other players linked to the Biogenesis clinic, it has already made several changes in its drug program, including one alteration specifically related to the Milwaukee star’s previous PED controversy.

    According to two major league sources, MLB quietly switched from plastic to glass containers for urine samples in 2012, a direct result of Braun’s victory on grounds that the collection process was flawed. Before the Braun case, players gave the urine sample in a triple-sealed plastic container.

    Now, the collectors use glass bottles, made by the same manufacturer, but considered even more secure. The bottles have a locking mechanism on the top, as opposed to tamper-proof stickers on the plastic version. The only way to open the glass bottles is to smash the top with a hammer, which the lab does in what a person familiar with the process described as a “controlled manner.”

    Last spring, Braun successfully challenged a 50-game suspension on chain-of-custody issues related to his urine sample. ”

    Interesting.

  10. austinmac March 22nd, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Doreen,

    I certainly agree the Yankees have the money to spend, but Cashman cannot spend it. I simply would like them not to tie their hands behind their back when they don’t have to. As Shamd and Jefkface have said, the new CBA costs them less than the old at the same spending level.

    It is not a rules change as an operational change. As a fan who likes to see a good team, I hate it. Why in the world should fans not want their team to do whatever they could to win? So the owners can get richer? That doesn’t do it for me.

  11. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2013 at 10:09 am

    blake – I think they can afford another player in the $10-15 million range with Cano on the books, it will just be extremely tight and you’ll have very little wiggle room if any at all.

    I think if you can sign a Kuroda-type guy for one year to cover for a somewhat questionable rotation in 2014, you’ll hope some of the AA guys hit in 2015 to allow you to add more pitching if needed.

    The tough years are going to be 2014-16 with Cano’s deal. After that, guys like Tex and Arod and Jeter start sliding off the board.

  12. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Just a refresher for anyone that missed it yesterday:

    Jerkface March 21st, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    I’m just still really confused.. what was the tax rate on the dollars spent above $179 in the old CBA. Someone summon JF, because I thought if the Yankees kept their payroll static for next year they’d still save money based on the new CBA.

    The Yankees paid 42.5% last year and the threshold was 178. Now the rate will be 50%. Then, in 2014 the threshold goes up to 189. So lets assume that at the end of the year including benefits the Yankees have an actual club payroll of 230.

    230-178*.5 = 26 million in tax
    230-189*.5 = 20.5 million

    They were going to get savings no matter what.

  13. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Dear MLB,

    it’s almost opening day…..this Biogenesis thing is going to go nowhere…..you do not have the power to call anybody to court…..most of the evidence appears to be burned and the supplier is refusing to cooperate (and you can’t make him). Please consider that nobody really cares anymore and focus your attention on the actual baseball that’s about to start…..that would be the wise thing to do

  14. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2013 at 10:11 am

    I wouldn’t necessarily sign Hughes or Granderson (who I don’t want). I would save the money for Andrus or someone like that.

  15. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    blake

    I think they want to exploit the discovery process. That does not mean I support the strategy.

  16. Tackelberry March 22nd, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Rich:

    May not be that easy to just let Hughes walk. If Pettite retires and Kuroda does not come back, the who is your number 2 starter next year? Pineda? Thats a long shot, and after missing this whole season. we know Banuelos won’t be ready. Letting Granderson walk is a no brainer. Probably JOba as well

  17. NYYROC March 22nd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Rich, if they signed PH, and assuming Andy & Kuroda are no longer on team, you’d still have plenty of $ for Elvis.

  18. Doreen March 22nd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    I appreciate all of Jerkface’s research and numbers.

    But it is the Yankees’ business and they probably have more information than Jerkface or anyone else is able to get their hands on.

    They’ve made this decision. It is their prerogative. It our prerogative as fans decide whether or not to not support the team if it does not win under their current business model.

  19. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    “blake – I think they can afford another player in the $10-15 million range with Cano on the books, it will just be extremely tight and you’ll have very little wiggle room if any at all.”

    if the rest of the roster is filled very cheaply then yea theoretically yea….I don’t know how practical that is though if you want to field a good team at the same time.

  20. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    rich,
    when you hear and read interviews with Hal….it just makes me think more and more that most everything Cashman does is because Hal influences him…..either directly or indirectly. I think Hal wants to see if he can make the Yankees more like a chain restaurant…. or chain hotel….where everything has a system.

  21. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    @craigcalcaterra
    The fun part of all of this lawsuit stuff is when Bosch/Biogenesis simply fails to answer, defaults and no discovery is ever had.

    ————–

    Craig’s got it right. Waste of time.

    Doreen – Anyone can read the CBA. I’m not saying they don’t have a better understanding of it but the increase in the tax is pretty straight forward: if you go over for x number of years it increases by x percent. The new CBA is the same, with different percentages. There’s been a lot of inaccurate reporting on the total amount of savings due to the new CBA.

  22. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    In the interview that Norris did with Gil Patterson yesterday it told how he actually first got a job with the Yankees post playing career……he was working at a carwash and George came in and asked him what he was doing there…..told him he was a Yankee and would always be a Yankee and he’d have a job for life and to come work for them. I never knew that……just another interesting George story

  23. Shame Spencer March 22nd, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Here’s the CBA for anyone interested: http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

  24. MG March 22nd, 2013 at 10:27 am

    austinmac March 22nd, 2013 at 9:55 am
    MG,

    Firstly, the teams of the late 60s were the worst teams of my lifetime. Last place, for example. Losing over 90 games. The cause was CBS running the team as a corporate asset.

    I don’t recall anyone recommending poor managers or stupid spending. What I personally recommend is a willingness to pay fair market value for players as other teams do even if the contract extends into the dreaded 2014 and beyond.

    They acted this off season unlike any other team in baseball. They would not enter into multi year contracts other than the inexplicable two year deal to a 40 year old.

    We recommended trading Swisher when he had value. We recommended signing Cespedes at a reaonable sum for his ability. We recommended Chavez be resigned or at least offered a contract.

    The logic of “teams can spend and still not be good” means a team should not spend escapes me.

    Reality is a team that will spend improves their chances to win. It was spending and not some crafty front office work that has been a critical factor in the success of the last decade and a half.

    You can support the Hafner, Rivera, Francisco approach. I see it as a sure way to diminish the team, cause loss of fan support and loss of income.
    ——————–
    mac, first of all you are an intelligent guy and I respect your opinion but you keep posting revisionist history about Steinbrenner purchasing a team in complete disrepair who miraculously saved them.

    The ’65-’68 teams stunk it up but they won 93 games in 1971 (finished 2nd behind the O’s) and were above .500 the next two years before the Steinbrenner acquisition in ’73.

    Were they great in those years? No, but they had the foundation for adding guys like Hunter and Jackson (Nettles was acquired by trade before the 73 season and before the sale) and the World Series wins later in the ’70s

    Page forward to the late ’80s and early ’90s and they were just as bad as in 65-68 and probably the only reason for the next dynasty was Steinbrenner being suspended for two years.

    The rest of your post has nothing to do with me, you can’t find a single quote from me on this blog ‘supporting’ signing those guys. I don’t play general manager as so many do here, I watch the team on the field and offer opinions about what I see.

    I don’t like the idea of the Yankees potentially letting their own guys walk away because of money, that is bad business, but as for everything else it’s not my team and my options are to either root for the team or not-I choose to be a fan and understand that winning a World Series every year is not a realistic expectation.

  25. austinmac March 22nd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    If Biogenisis defaults, then MLB can do post judgment discovery.

  26. Doreen March 22nd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Shame, yes, the CBA is readable.

    I’m talking about the Yankees’ ledgers. And I believe I read recently that the savings wouldn’t be as much as the Yankees initially thought, something having to do with Oakland, or whatever.

    In any event, I take Hal at his word that while 189 is a strong goal, it will not trump fielding a competitive team.

    Call me naive. Go ahead! LOL

  27. Tackelberry March 22nd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Even with Cano’s next contract looming, there will be alot of money coming off the books after this season.

    Mo 15 mill, Pettite, 12-13 mill, Kuroda (maybe) 12-13 mill. Granderson, 15 mill, JOba 5-7 mill. Lets also not forge that they are paying 8 million of AJ Burnett’s salary this season. That contract ends after this season. So they can afford both Cano and Hughes I think.

  28. austinmac March 22nd, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Doreen,

    Of course, the owners can do what they want. My question to you is simply–As a fan are you unhappy they will spend less inevitably reducing their chances to win?

    I will root for the team as I have for over 50 years. It is much more fun when the team has good players and wins.

    I don’t play GM. I play fan. As a fan I enjoyed knowing the team would leave no stone unturned to try to win. That doesn’t mean they would be successful, but it sure increases the chances over only turning over tombstones of formerly good players.

  29. austinmac March 22nd, 2013 at 10:48 am

    MG,

    I wasn’t attributing wanting those players to you. I am frustrated. Baseball season is great fun. I get teams can’t always win, and I would be on board with a downturn if I saw a plan such as trading impending free agents, spending internationally when it was possible etc.

    Right now it looks like they wanted to try to win once more to build fan support for an impending downturn, but that idea has run into major hurdles. Simply letting more guys leave with little return is not how any other team operates regularly. Why do we have to?

  30. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    wallace matthews ?@ESPNNYYankees 15m
    You can’t hear it but Jeter is making fun of Youkilis’ batting stance here pic.twitter.com/7XorGZg6LU

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Best for Hughes to just get well on his body’s timetable. Not like we don’t have reinforcements.

    Flores is hitting the crap out of the ball – hope he gets some action. He’s a guy whose name I keep seeing here in trades, but he is too valuable a left-handed stick, with good baseball instincts in general, if not great athleticism, to part with.

  32. Against All Odds March 22nd, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Tackelberry March 22nd, 2013 at 10:32 am
    Even with Cano’s next contract looming, there will be alot of money coming off the books after this season.

    Mo 15 mill, Pettite, 12-13 mill, Kuroda (maybe) 12-13 mill. Granderson, 15 mill, JOba 5-7 mill. Lets also not forge that they are paying 8 million of AJ Burnett’s salary this season. That contract ends after this season. So they can afford both Cano and Hughes I think.

    ————————-

    Not when you add in arbitration raises, bonuses, etc.

  33. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    how much that’s coming off doesn’t really matter nearly as much as what will be actually on and also how much itll cost to fill out the roster.

    If the Yankees want to get under 189 then their actual payroll needs to be closer to around 170 when you consider bonuses and the wiggle room they’d need to leave for Arod’s home run bonus of 6 million.

    The reality is that if they sign Cano they are going to have to fill out a whole bunch of roster spots with less than 50 million dollars…..like most of the team. It’s possible but it’s going to be very difficult to do unless a bunch of prospects and young players step up.

  34. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 11:04 am

    that’s why if they could somehow deal for a young player like Olt to play 3B at the league minimum then they really need to do that……they’d then have a chance to have 3B and a couple of outfield spots covered really cheap……

  35. MTU March 22nd, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Blake-

    I don’t understand why you refuse to acknowledge that Ronnier might be an adequate fill-in for a few years or more. He’s only 28. That’s primetime.

    That would accomplish several things :

    1) It would buy you time for our other prospects to develop.

    2) It would get us past 189 so that the money spigot could be opened once again.

    3) It would preserve prospects for use in other deals or for our own depth.

    Why look outside for a solution when you might have an answer staring you right in the face.

    ;)

  36. MTU March 22nd, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Not only Musty.

    We have Adams, Bichette, and others who might be able to fill the role longterm.

    Shouldn’t we find out ?

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 22nd, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Hey all! Court is dark today so I figured I’d do a little catching up with what’s going on, on the forum. You know the old saying, the more things change…

    Anyway, I’m pretty good at understanding all sides of an “argument” – really I am – but in the end of course, we all typically end up understanding one side better than the others (though there are times I guess when we truly feel ambivalence.)

    To fans like austin, I can absolutely understand why you would feel the way you do. There’s nothing wrong with a fan wanting a team to empty its coffers (especially when the coffers are healthy ones) and wanting to go out and buy the best. And since we’ve been spoonfed the “winning is the only thing that matters” mentality, that kind of thing becomes even more understandable.

    That said, I am most comfortable with the view espoused by Doreen. I understand the team’s desire to stay under/at the $189, especially since all of the other teams have benefitted over the years due to the Yankees “largesse” in terms of revenue spending. Baseball is a business, and the team has as much right as any other business to maximize its profitability. Besides, we’ve seen teams excel and even win the WS without nearly the resources the Yankees have. I’m not convinced that the team that spends the most wins the most – though I of course understand that willingness to spend does bring in “great” players. Other than 2009, the free-spending Yankees have not won the WS in quite a while.

    I’m also with Doreen in believing that Hal is serious when he says the $189 is a goal and team competitiveness isn’t going to be sacrificed for that goal. At this point, no matter what you think, you can’t say we’re wrong!

    I still believe the Yankees will be competitive this year. I refuse to throw in the towel or to even entertain the thought that I will be needing a towel to throw in. What kind of thinking is that? Every team has weaknesses, every team has injuries to some extent. So maybe the playing field has been more than evened. So what? When the going gets tough, etc. And the Yankee players are as proud as any. The meaning and history of the pinstripes isn’t lost on them.

    My idea of competition is letting teams that are as financially evenly-yoked as possible duke it out. To me that’s true competition. I’ve never been a fan of a bought juggernaut. As J Al noted in the past, I obviously am a fan of a cap in the sport, thought I don’t think I’ll ever see it. In the meantime, I believe in the pinstripes and what the history of this team stands for and I also believe that the team will give us players capable of making it to the postseason year after year. No team has a crystal ball to let it know which players are going to be injured.

    Does this year’s team have flaws? I’m sure it does, as I believe just about all teams do. But it doesn’t mean the team isn’t capable of winning.

    And a shout out to austin – it definitely isn’t lost on me that we haven’t had a lot of hitting this ST. And yes, you need some hitting to win. But we’ve been without Robby, essentially Jeter, and of course Grandy. And I know well enough that Gardner knows how to hit, as does Ichiro, certainly Youkilis, and others in the lineup. So I look foward to it all coming together.

    I’m once again counting on our pitching to come through.

    I’m also excited on some level about the thought of some of the kids being almost forced into the mix – kids that are ready to be there.

    So I’m as excited and hopeful as I am as every season approaches. It’s just one way to be a fan – and it’s really the only one I know.

    Checking in from 39 degree Rhody!

    :)

  38. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2013 at 11:15 am

    MLB is suing Bosch/Biogenesis for “tortious interference with a contract” the contract being the Joint Drug Agreement.

    @craigcalcaterra: This lawsuit doesn’t survive a motion to dismiss. MLB had no legal recourse against players under JDA. Can’t get it for interference with it

  39. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2013 at 11:17 am

    It is frustrating that once again Nova’s game isn’t being televised. I want to see what progress he is making with the shorter arm action. :mad:

  40. ac1 March 22nd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Boesch has a stiff rib cage?

  41. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Problem is that likely once again to start the season there will be no kids in the mix. That has been part of the problem. Inability to keep the kids that would help us, and lack of trust or lack of belief in the current mlb-ready talent. We didn’t have to be in this place. It is not about emptying the coffers (Lohud fallacy); it is about making smart cost-effective decisions when you have the chance to. We are learning on the job, and it ain’t pretty.

  42. MTU March 22nd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Do we really need a “star” at every position, or just a good solid ballplayer at many of them ?

    One thing I hope the Yankees do not abandon longterm is the strategy which says the having an advantage at the up-the-middle is a key to success.

    Keep it. It has proved it’s worth over time.

    ;)

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    MTU March 22nd, 2013 at 11:13 am
    Not only Musty.

    We have Adams, Bichette, and others who might be able to fill the role longterm.

    Shouldn’t we find out ?
    ///

    I really like Andujar as the highest upside 3B prospect, based on video and on what I’ve read. He has batspeed to burn, an explosive swing, supposedly good pitch recognition, and he looks to be athletic at third and has a nice arm.

    Matt Duran is yet another ‘toolsy’ one; he was at Staten Island last year.

  44. blake March 22nd, 2013 at 11:30 am

    “I don’t understand why you refuse to acknowledge that Ronnier might be an adequate fill-in for a few years or more. He’s only 28. That’s primetime.”

    I just don’t think he’s that type of player…..and the Yanks obviously don’t either. He could probably fill in at 3B while Tex is out…..but is he a long term option there? I kinda doubt it…..maybe he’ll prove me wrong.

    As far as Adams and Dante Jr…..Adams can’t stay healthy and I don’t think they see him as the 3B of the future either and Dante is years away and took a big step backwards last year.

  45. Jerkface March 22nd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I’m talking about the Yankees’ ledgers. And I believe I read recently that the savings wouldn’t be as much as the Yankees initially thought, something having to do with Oakland, or whatever.

    First to Shame- the old CBA did NOT have resetting limits. That is new.

    Now to the above point, the ‘big thing’ regarding this CBA is that if you are under the luxury tax limit for a season you can get a refund of revenue sharing. Luxury tax payments go to the MLB future fund and player benefits, not the other teams, but revenue sharing is what gets shared between all the clubs based on gate revenues and tv deals and stuff. The top 15 teams by market size are being excluded from revenue sharing by the end of this CBA. Each year they refund a portion of their revenue sharing until 100%. Teams under the luxury tax threshold can receive those refunds. Toronto, Atlanta, Washington, and Oakland are the 3 teams receiving revenue sharing if I recall correctly. The problem here is that Oakland is exempt from the program until they get a new stadium (which wont happen) and the other teams are going to be out of the revenue sharing most likely thanks to their success recently.

    So whatever savings the Yankees could have always gotten (reduced payroll/LT) it was supposed to be augmented by revenue sharing rebates (which could equal around 50 million total over 3 years). Now that number is closer to 35 million, with the chance that it can be less (even 0) if those teams fall out of the revenue sharing bracket.

    The reason I dont view 189 as a good goal or worthy of anything less than spite is that the Yankees are SUPER RICH. They have no trouble making money. They are making a huge profit even now. Every leaked MLB financial document tells the tale of MLB teams, even crappy ones, raking in cash. The Yankees revenues are 10x those teams and their expenses certainly are not 10x more.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2013 at 11:32 am

    …and I am all for Mustelier making this team, especially since he is the kind of bat they lack.

    A guy like that can serve a purpose in the interim and possibly really excel.

    He won’t, however, block a guy like Andujar, who turned 18 this month but who’s moving fast – jumping from GCL and heading for Charleston this year.

  47. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2013 at 11:33 am

    I don’t think we are particularly high on Musty. And doubt we see him even as a bridge.

    Pruf, yes, Andujar may move quickly in spite of his young age. We can get a look at him live at the beginning of May.

  48. Jerkface March 22nd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I don’t need the Yankees to commit to Mustelier for multiple years. Just give him a shot to become that guy.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    yankeefem – That’s the road trip I am really looking forward to. I’ll be at all three games, so hopefully everyone we want to see is healthy and hopefully DePaula is lined up to make one of those starts.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Mustelier is a no brainer, given the injured (on top of withered) lineup.

    But when it comes to logic, make no assumptions about this FO.

  51. jacksquat March 22nd, 2013 at 11:39 am

    yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2013 at 11:21 am
    Problem is that likely once again to start the season there will be no kids in the mix. That has been part of the problem. Inability to keep the kids that would help us, and lack of trust or lack of belief in the current mlb-ready talent. We didn’t have to be in this place. It is not about emptying the coffers (Lohud fallacy); it is about making smart cost-effective decisions when you have the chance to. We are learning on the job, and it ain’t pretty.

    Nunez and Cervelli? Who else is ready aside from Mustelier? Mesa needs to practice hitting the ball more. Adams is injured.

  52. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2013 at 11:41 am

    There should be a provision in the CBA that protects the teams that exceed the luxury tax threshold AND STILL SUCK.

  53. austinmac March 22nd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I’m not sure where Calcaterra got his law license before becoming a sprorts reporter. Let’s see how the Biogenisis case turns out before calling it dead.

    The legal theory seems to be the CBA prohibits players from taking PEDs, and Biogenisis assisted tehm in breaking the contract. Tortious interference with contract is certainly a legitimate casue of action.

    I would suspect the MLB lawyers are not morons.

  54. austinmac March 22nd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    MTU,

    I think Mustelier can play major league baseball. How well is yet to be determined as is the question of whether the Yankees will give him a chance to prove it. Only playing him on the road, batting him last and not trying to see as much of him as possible tells me he is likely to start at AAA.

    He is not a guy you can pencil in as a starter for an extended period. We can hope however, and I do.

  55. Jerkface March 22nd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    You should engage him on it Austinmac, you could probably have a smart conversation.

  56. MTU March 22nd, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Thanks for your opinions. Even Blake’s which I disagree with on all counts.

    I have no idea what the Yankees are seeing that we don’t.

    Ronnier has hit as well as fielded. He’s made 1 error as far as I know.

    Youkilis is likely to be under much less physical stress playing 1st.

    They seem determined to go w the Vets as usual.

    :(

  57. MTU March 22nd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Otro threado —->

  58. Duh Innings II March 22nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Phil Hughes is getting at least three years and $25M no matter how he does this season because that’s what friggin’ Jeremy Guthrie got from of all teams the Royals after he posted a 3.16 ERA and 1.132 WHIP in just 14 starts with them after they acquired him from the Rockies last season. And he turns 34 on April 8 – woo hoo. Good signing KC LOL.

    Sabathia / Kuroda / Pettitte / Nova / Phelps


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