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Choosing the final three position players

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 25, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Two Sunday decisions settled three roster spots for the Yankees.

With Derek Jeter opening on the disabled list, the Yankees will put Eduardo Nunez in the lineup, and they’ll have little choice but to keep Jayson Nix as a utility man on the bench (something I’d guess they were going to do anyway).

Trading for Vernon Wells was clearly done to fill a big league spot, so Wells is clearly on the roster. That puts 10 position players in place.

C Francisco Cervelli, C Chris Stewart, 2B Robinson Cano, SS Eduardo Nunez, 3B/1B Kevin Youkilis, UT Jayson Nix, OF Brett Gardner, OF Ichiro Suzuki, OF Vernon Wells, DH Travis Hafner

And that leaves three position jobs up for grabs, with eight options left in camp.

THE CANDIDATES

These are the eight position players still in big league camp without an obvious big league job. Obviously there’s still a chance the Yankees will make another move to add someone to this list.

OF Brennan Boesch
A left-handed outfielder is the last thing the Yankees needed when camp opened — otherwise Chris Dickerson would still be here — but Boesch became a worthwhile target after Curtis Granderson broke his arm. Obviously Boesch has had some big league success, and he could be a go-to outfielder against right-handers. Then again, he can be optioned to Triple-A.

OF Ben Francisco
Thought he was looking more and more like a lock before the Wells trade. Now Francisco’s spot on the team could depend entirely on how the Yankees want to build their roster. Francisco is having a nice spring, and he has plenty of big league experience, but he might be redundant when it’s all said and done.

1B Dan Johnson
A left-handed corner infielder could be a nice fit – could mix with Rivera or Mustelier to form a platoon situation — but Johnson is 2-for-32 with four errors this spring. The Yankees know he has some power, but his spring performance couldn’t have won over any believers.

OF Melky Mesa
For speed and defense, Mesa is the best of the fringe outfielders still in the mix. However, his strong offensive start has faded to the point that he’s hitting just .189/.246/.358. Mesa is probably the best non-Gardner center fielder in camp, but I’m not sure the Yankees will value that defensive ability ahead of other players’ offensive contributions.

3B/OF Ronnier Mustelier
Is this the wild card? Mustelier could free the Yankees to do a lot of things. He can play third base and the outfield corners, which means he brings some legitimate flexibility, and everyone I’ve talked to about him keeps saying the same thing: “He can hit.” Musty is batting .324/.378/.588 this spring, including yesterday’s walkoff homer. He’s done his part. Question is, do the Yankees trust his glove.

OF Thomas Neal
It’s going a little bit unnoticed, but Neal is having a pretty solid spring with a .275/.341/.425 slash line and three stolen bases. My guess is that Neal will be crowded out by the other right-handed hitting outfielders in camp.

1B/OF Juan Rivera
An early favorite to win a roster spot, Rivera’s slash line is down to .316/.328/.404 because he hasn’t hit for much power lately. He’s actually been pretty good at first base, and he’s clearly getting hits, but I’m not sure he’s still an overwhelming roster favorite. Because of his contract status, the Yankees have to tell him either today or tomorrow whether he’s made the team, so a Rivera decision is coming pretty soon.

INF Gil Velazquez
Hard to imagine the Yankees carrying both Velazquez and Nix. If Nix gets hurt in the next week, then Velazquez could sneak onto the roster as a replacement utility infielder. If not, though, Velazquez will likely head down to Triple-A, possibly to get regular time at shortstop.

THE QUESTIONS

Three questions to answer while the Yankees make their final roster decisions. And it goes without saying that — for the sake of this exercise — I’m assuming the Yankees won’t make another move before Opening Day, which is hardly a given.

Who is going to DH against lefties?
Unless Nix is going to always start against left-handed pitchers, two of these final three roster spots will have to be in the lineup against lefties. You can assume Wells will be in the outfield against lefties, but that still leaves an infield job — which could go to Nix — and a wide-open DH platoon.

Does it make sense to carry both Mustelier and Rivera?
Very hard to imagine a scenario in which neither one makes the team. There’s only room in the infield for one at a time, that doesn’t mean there isn’t room for both on the roster. For example, Rivera could play first and Mustelier DH against lefties. That said, if both Mustelier and Rivera are on the roster, would it really make sense to carry another right-handed outfielder? Wouldn’t that role be pretty well covered?

Is a left-handed bat a priority?
Of the eight candidates, five are right-handed hitters who can play the outfield (and the Yankees already have one of those in Wells, and two of those if you count Nix). There is one left-handed outfielder and one left-handed infielder among the candidates, and the Yankees could make room for a platoon out of either one.

THE POSSIBILITIES

Here are three combinations for the sake of discussion. Obviously there are more possibilities, but this is just an attempt to think about what kind of roles these guys might play.

Mustelier — Rivera — Boesch
In this scenario, Boesch would likely platoon with Wells in an outfield corner while Rivera would play first base and Mustelier would DH against lefties. The question is, what to do against right-handers? Are the Yankees going to feel comfortable giving Mustelier or Rivera an everyday job until Mark Teixeira comes back?

Rivera — Johnson — Boesch
Two lefties means two platoon situations: Rivera/Johnson at first base and Boesch/Wells in the outfield. If you’re not sold on Johnson as a legitimate option, substitute the name Lyle Overbay, who’s in camp with the Red Sox and could become a free agent tomorrow. This combination, with two left-handed hitters, would leave a hole at DH against lefties. In that case, Yankees could either use a left-handed hitter against lefties, or they could rotate the DH against lefties and use Nix to plug the various holes.

Mustelier — Rivera — Francisco
Same as the first combination, except with a right-handed outfielder (feel free to substitute Mesa or Neal for Francisco). The problem here is that it’s almost right-handed overkill. Against lefties, Rivera goes to first, Mustelier goes to DH, and Francisco — what – starts ahead of Ichiro or Gardner? It’s either that, or that roster spot is strictly a reserve with no real role (in which case it might as well go to Mesa, not Francisco, to provide some late-inning speed). There would be no left-handed option to fill in for either Granderson or Teixeira.

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158 Responses to “Choosing the final three position players”

  1. blake March 25th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    This team would have been some kind of awesome like 6 or 7 years ago

  2. NYYROC March 25th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    I echo the sentiments of most posters here, I hope Musty makes the team. He has done everything possible to earn a job. I’d like to see what he can do @ 3B.
    Also, Nunez gets a lot of flack, but I give him credit. He definitely has improved his D and despite what Cashman says, I think he does add quite a bit to the offense. Rooting for all the players but maybe a lit more for those 2.

  3. spidanyc March 25th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    I wonder who is going to the Angels in the Wells deal. Fingers crossed that the Heathcott rumors are FALSE!!

  4. randy l. March 25th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    hope may be spring training eternal, but if the reality of losing in the early regular season is added to this mix , the plebeians will revolt.

    hal is going to find out what happens if the crap hits the fan.

    one wonders why anyone would throw crap at a fan.

    i guess hal is confusing a wall for a fan, thinking something may stick.

    somewhere hank is enjoying this :)

  5. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    I would go with a combination that Chad doesn’t have up there:

    Mustelier – Boesch – Francisco

    You wind up with Mustelier at 3b, Youk at 1b, Boesch and Francisco joining Nix and Stewart on the bench.

    It’s hardly ideal in that you only have one back-up infielder and 5 outfielders but the only other infielders behind Nunez and the starters on the 40 man roster are Corban Joseph and David Adams. Joseph hasn’t really shown much, but the Yankees could take him just the same (instead of Boesch) just to give themselves another infielder.

    Mustelier has clearly out performed Rivera and given the rash of injuries I think it becomes imperative to protect Youk’s health by moving him to 1b where his body will be under less physical stress than at 3b. Youk represents the only right handed power in the lineup that you can count on, and one of only three sources of power in the lineup at all until Granderson gets back.

    It’s like the Jorge Posada scenario – the Yankees wanted to keep Posada’s bat in the lineup but he kept getting hurt behind the plate so they moved him to DH to protect against injury. DH isn’t an option for Youk (because you need Hafner’s bat) so I say move him to 1b.

  6. blake March 25th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    I’d like for Musty to make the team but honestly don’t care much anymore….they are gonna do what thy are gonna do and that probably involves piling as many retreads in the lineup as possible and hoping they bounce back…..

    The pitchers had better step up when the season starts….otherwise they may be in big trouble

  7. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    The Yankees “will have $6.5M count against payroll” for Vernon Wells for both 2013 and 2014, Mark Feinsand of New York Daily News reports (on Twitter). Joel Sherman of the New York Post seems to have a different take, writing, “most of the dollars will be applied to 2013″ for the Yankees.

    My guess is that neither one of these guys have a clue what they’re talking about.

    Gotta love the fact that reporters are so anxious to be the first ones to tweet news that they are now less concerned with it’s validity and more concerned with its expediency

  8. 86w183 March 25th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    I’d keep Chip’s three PLUS Francisco, but that’s because I don’t believe in 12-man pitching staffs. The 12th guy just wastes away out there unless your starting pitching stinks.

    If the Yankees’ starting pitching stinks, nothing else matters.

  9. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Wells is redundant not Francisco.

    I like the Boesch-Musty-Francisco option.

    Or even a Boesch-Musty-Rivera option.

  10. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Blake -

    I agree but for different reasons. Whatever team leaves Tampa doesn’t make that the team they go through the season with.

    A lot is going to change when they look at Tex 6 weeks from now. If he has to go under the knife (which I assume he will) then they’ll look for a more permanent solution at 1b. Injuries to other players will create opportunities and so on.

    It happens every year; we get all twisted in knots about roster decisions at the end of spring training and in the end – they don’t amount to much.

  11. Yankee Trader March 25th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Mustelier — Rivera — Boesch
    In this scenario, Boesch would likely platoon with Wells in an outfield corner while Rivera would play first base and Mustelier would DH against lefties. The question is, what to do against right-handers? Are the Yankees going to feel comfortable giving Mustelier or Rivera an everyday job until Mark Teixeira comes back?
    ——————-

    I don’t expect Tex will be back until he has surgery on the wrist.

  12. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    86w183 March 25th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    I’d keep Chip’s three PLUS Francisco, but that’s because I don’t believe in 12-man pitching staffs. The 12th guy just wastes away out there unless your starting pitching stinks.

    If the Yankees’ starting pitching stinks, nothing else matters.
    —————-

    My three included Francisco

  13. blake March 25th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Trade Cano to Seattle for a boat load then sign him back this winter

  14. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    If the Yankee’s Pitching isn’t the very top tier they’re gonna be in deep VooDoo.

    Might be anyway w. this geriatric pacthwork quilt of an O.

    Thing I do like is the additonal speed: GGBG, Nunez, Ichiro. They better make excellent use of it.

  15. 86w183 March 25th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    If the luxury tax rules allow it they should take as much of the cash as possible in 2014.

  16. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    My 25 (with Jeter and Rapada on the DL to open the season)

    Gardner – CF
    Nunez – SS
    Ichiro – RF
    Cano – 2b
    Youk – 1b
    Pronk – DH
    Mustelier – 3b
    Wells – LF
    Cervelli – C

    Bench: Stewart, Nix, Boesch, Francisco

    Rotation:
    CC
    Kuroda
    Andy
    Hughes
    Nova

    Pen
    RHP: Kelley, Aardsma, Joba, Robertson, Rivera
    LHP: Logan, Nuno

    I send Phelps to AAA to keep him stretched out as a starter.

  17. 86w183 March 25th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Oops, I meant to add Rivera

  18. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Chip-

    I generally like it but I’d make sure that Ichiro was in LF and Boesch in Rt. Wells would ride the pine more in my view.

    He’d be what he is- an expensive 4th OF’er and bench guy.

  19. Yankee Trader March 25th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Chip-

    Since the Angels are still on the hook for a large portion of the contract as it pertains to AAV, I believe that the contract can be apportioned in a way that is being described.
    It was done with Burnett.

  20. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    And Suzuki doesn’t hit 3rd. Cano does.

    Nunez bats 9th.

  21. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Chip I think they are pretty set that Phelps will be with the team one way or another.

  22. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    I’m going to try my best to pretend Wells doesn’t exist.

    ;)

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  24. Jmpasq March 25th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Just joined the blog today and im not trying to be a hater but for the 1st time in 20 years im very confused about the state of this franchise. Maybe im lost but I dont see what the Yankees are trying to do longterm besides lower the payroll. Is there a plan or direction because usually when u try to lower the payroll there is a youth movement but that doesnt see to be going on. The Yankees have been pretty dubious producing talent through the farm leagues as well. Is the plan to just wait out these bad contracts and then reload. I decided not to get a ticket package this year because the price of the tickets and product to me didnt match up. Can someone please explain to me whats going on because i am very confused and worried about the future of this team. It looks like we are going into a 3 or 4 season dark turn

  25. pkyankfan69 March 25th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    With no Jeter the top of the line up vs lefties is a mess.

    Are they really going to have 3 lefties on top vs lefty starters?

    Gardner
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Youk
    ….

  26. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Doreen-

    I agree. They are going to put David Mendoza, er I mean Phelps, in the Pen.

    ;)

  27. Baby Ruth March 25th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    I send Phelps to AAA to keep him stretched out as a starter.

    ————–

    Hope not, that would be another kick to the groin of one of the young guys. Hughes prob. won’t be ready anyway

  28. 86w183 March 25th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Definitely want Phelps on the MLB roster. He’s too good to be sent down.

    Wells could end up sharing an OF spot w/ Bosch. I’m optimistic on him. He did OPS .847 in 2010, which isn’t THAT long ago and he’s only 34. Wrist injuries are tricky things and that’s what he had.

  29. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Hughes will likely start the season on the DL.

    What the heck ? The rest of the Team is there too !

    He’ll have plenty of company.

  30. Yankee Trader March 25th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Chip

    That lineup and roster works for me.

    However Aardsma and Kelley haven’t been impressive.

    I also think Phelps will get plenty of chances in April so I think he will be needed.

  31. Tackelberry March 25th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    spidanyc March 25th, 2013 at 8:29 am
    I wonder who is going to the Angels in the Wells deal. Fingers crossed that the Heathcott rumors are FALSE!!

    ___________________________________________

    No way Heathcott is in this deal for just Wells

  32. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Still a little in shock about the Wells deal… how many more big hairy monster/defensive liabilities can this team house?

  33. pkyankfan69 March 25th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    The Yankees didn’t have the money to sign a starting catcher but they have $12 M for a lousy defending, OLD, WASHED UP, platoon OFer. (although he sucks about equally against lhp/rhp)

    This team has no direction. If these moves are actually Cash’s decisions it’s time for him to go. If these decisions are from the top, it’s time for the Stein Boys to sell the team. What a disgrace.

  34. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Let’s hope that the chicken wire and bubble gum that is holding the middle of the Yankees order together works.

    Lucky we have Cano.

  35. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    MTU March 25th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    And Suzuki doesn’t hit 3rd. Cano does.

    Nunez bats 9th.
    ———–

    Can’t see them going with Gardner, Ichiro, Cano all in a row. They need some RH bat to break it up.

    Whether that means:

    Gardner
    Ichiro
    Youk
    Cano

    or

    Gardner
    Nunez
    Ichiro
    Cano

    I don’t know.

    If you go with Youk 3 then you have him sandwiched by Gardner and Ichiro in front and Cano and Pronk behind him.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Jmpasq, it appears that everyone is equally confused and convinced the Yankees don’t have any real plan. I guess we have nothing but to wait it out and let it happen since nobody’s worrying about it is going to change anything.

    I admit I don’t understand the Wells move because it appeared to me that the outfield was pretty well crowded with the addition of Francisco. Maybe the Yankees know something (Grandy’s injury worse than they originally thought?) that we don’t know and they’ve decided to keep it under wraps?

    Maybe it will turn out to be a productive lineup, despite the obvious worries about players who at least appear to be past their prime. And if it is, well then the Yankees made the right moves.

    By the way, Vernon Wells has had a very productive ST at the plate.

    In the meantime, I will stay away from the dark side and continue to believe this team can get the job done – maybe more than get the job done. And I remain right until proven wrong!

    Worry doesn’t get you anywhere.

    ;)

  37. 4TrainNorth March 25th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Would rather have David Wells. Playing outfield.

  38. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Yankee Trader March 25th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Chip

    That lineup and roster works for me.

    However Aardsma and Kelley haven’t been impressive.

    I also think Phelps will get plenty of chances in April so I think he will be needed.
    ———–

    I think Phelps makes the roster, I just wouldn’t do it – not in a relief role.

  39. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Chip-

    G.I. Joe is matchup crazy so you’re probably right.

    But against Righties, which are the bulk, I’m not sure it matters all that much.

    One of GGBG or Suzuki should hit 9th if they do it that way because Cano hits 3rd.

    Or just adjust the frickin’ lineup for lefty/righty pitching.

    They’d better pray that Hafner and Youkilis hold together.

  40. pkyankfan69 March 25th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    4TrainNorth March 25th, 2013 at 9:04 am
    Would rather have David Wells. Playing outfield.
    ——————————
    I agree, at least that would be fun to watch!

  41. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    MTU –

    As for Wells’s playing time:

    My guess is that to get him to waive his NTC he was told that he’ll get playing time.

    Factor in the fact that Boesch has been dealing with an injury.

    I think what we’ll likely see is actually a Wells/Francisco platoon with Francisco playing LF against LHP while Wells shifts to DH and Hafner to the bench.

  42. ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    the yankees took on way too much as it is.
    LA must be popping the champagne like they won the world series.
    If Cashman added even a 2nd tier prospect to give LA in this deal, fans should revolt.

  43. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    I took a tour down memory lane the other day, and it happened to be the day Arod opted out. One of the reasons given by Scott Boras was that at that point in time ARod was not comfortable with not knowing who his closer, pitching staff and something else was going to be.

    Scott boras is cano’s agent. And I think that while the reasoning for ARod was flimsy at best, you can be sure that not knowing who his future team is going to be almost in every spot, would you be at all surprised if this comes up as a reason that Boras will give for Cano being hesitant to entertain an offer foment the Yankees??

  44. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    ****from the Yankees. Not. Foment.

  45. ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I think more than Wells himself, I as a fan would be interested in an explanation about how 7M was too much for AJ Pierzynski, 4M was too much for Hairston, etc… but we have now offered over 10M in guarantees to the possible OF contenders, while Musty, hitting better than any of them and playing decent 3B, can’t be guaranteed a job.

    I am on board for a change in the organization..

  46. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Chip-

    The less I see of ole’ Vernon the better I’ll like it.

    It’s nothing personal against him. He actually seems like a very nice guy.

    It’s the concept of having brought in another guy who FWIS is superfluous.

    Francisco is cheaper and might even be better.

    And I know I’m like a broken record on this but I want Mustelier to go North and to play a signifciant role. I hope that happens. If he turns out to be a liability in the field they can always remove him.

  47. Yankee Trader March 25th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Trisha
    Good morning. Put me Down for an optimistic 88 wins, 7 wins over .500, subject to change if any other players hit the DL for an extended stay, or those already on DL suffer setbacks.

    88- and that’s my non-final answer.

    Predict Don Mattingly will be the manager for the Yankees next season and Cano will be gone to LA to be close to Boras, who will get him signed to a massive contract as well as some very sweet endorsements.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    But realistically, I certainly understand all the questions, confusion and consternation. The only thing I can pull out of the confusion is that Wells has had a productive ST. Since getting Wells isn’t making great sense at this point, I am convinced something’s going on behind the scenes that we’re not being told.

    Someone asked if anyone would pay to see the lineup they put up? I think I would. Geeze at one time that lineup would have been pretty exciting with Youk, Pronk, Ichiro and Wells in it. So I’d want to see if there was anything left in those guys that actually might be ignited.

    So in usual fashion, I’m keeping my fingers crossed that it all works out. If anyone can give me a better option, I’m willing to listen. (The only nonoption is admitting defeat without giving something a try. That is not in my vocabulary.)

  49. ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    on a side note, i am really excited to see CMW back with the Yankees and I hope he makes it back to the majors.

    2014:

    CC
    CMW
    Pineda
    Nova
    Phelps

    Maybe Pettitte if he wants to come back again.
    Plus some of our pitchers moving up the farm (hopefully not to be traded for overpriced mid-30s trash).

  50. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    ac-

    Those are excellent questions and IMO they deserve an answer. You forgot Keppinger too.

    Exactly why I was opposed to Wells.

  51. Tackelberry March 25th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    THis could be a case of a change of scenery lighting a fire under a player. Wells is said to be very excited at the prospect of joining the Yankees, and is having a very good Spring. As long as they’re not giving up anything of any value, this is not a bad moves. ALso good to see Nunez heating up at the plate, and has looked much better in the field. Maybe knowing that for the time being that he is the man at SS has helped him settle down and relax

  52. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Trisha-

    Just hope the bubble gum and bailing wire hold up.

    And that none of our Pitchers go down.

    Hold the Fort until reinforcements come.

    :)

  53. 4TrainNorth March 25th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    From Jeff Passan’s recent article:

    “The Yankees have endured a more brutal spring than anyone – the sort that left more than one executive on Sunday predicting a last-place finish in the American League East.”

    As bad as the Wells trade is, it’s hard to believe that this one move (which will be irrelevant in a couple of months) is enough for folks suddenly to be predicting a last-place finish.

    No way that happens.

  54. ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Tackel, I actually think Wells may thrive here, similar to Ichiro leaving Seattle. The issue is that they had this money, why not use it in December to fill our needs? I realize this wouldnt have happened if Tex and Granderson weren’t hurt, but still.

    Worse than this is that Grandy will probably be back in May, meaning OF will be fine. Tex probably will not. I actually think in the end, Tex may miss the entire year. So corner IF was more important than 7 OF possibilities we brought in last week.

  55. Baby Ruth March 25th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Wells is a complete joke and has been since he signed his HUGE contract with Toronto.

    This is almost as funny as some saying ‘ARoid’ will come back this year and be the savior.

    :lol:

  56. ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    With the Yankees pitching, NO WAY IN HELL they finish in last place.
    I have them in 2nd and in one of the wild card spots.

  57. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I think more than Wells himself, I as a fan would be interested in an explanation about how 7M was too much for AJ Pierzynski, 4M was too much for Hairston, etc…

    —————–

    How many of us have been worried about a panic move? I think it’s been discussed enough, and I’m hoping this is the last one we see. That report last night that the Yankees were still looking for a 1B wasn’t that comforting, however.

    With decision making being what it is lately, Boras is going to takes these guys for a ride with Cano. Boras having this much leverage is a nightmare.

  58. 4TrainNorth March 25th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Fans are going to brutal to Wells, too. They’re going to have about as much patience as he himself demonstrates at the plate.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Trader you got it.

    If your prediction about Robby leaving the Yankees comes true – I’m counting on him staying a Yankee – I would definitely have to think about waving the white flag and agreeing that the front office is nothing more than a mass of scrambled brains. Since I’m still a holdout on that front; I’m penciling in Robby at 2B in perpetuity.

    Meanwhile, my 97 wins feels a bit optimistic. I may have to go down to 95.

    :D

  60. pat March 25th, 2013 at 9:25 am

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  61. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    The Yankees must believe that Ronnier is not a capable 3B, or lacking a sufficient sample they simply don’t want to risk it.

    As far as I know he only made 1 error at 3rd this Spring. One.

    He made many tough plays w/o a hitch. And he seems to swing a mean stick.

    Considering that Youkilis is a fine 1st baseman I hope they go with Mustelier at 3rd.

    What’s the harm ? They can always send him down if he flops. My bet is that he won’t.

    ;)

  62. ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I actually hope Tex and Alex just take the entire year off, figure out how to be productive to this team again, and come back in 2014 and mash.

    Alex in particular should just move to full time DH in 2014 to stay healthier…
    Jeter can move to 3rd. (i dont see him staying at ss after this year)
    Nunez can come into his own as our full time SS.

    I’d try to move Tex if possible (he’d have to waive the NTC), another thing the Yankees need to stop offering in contracts.

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    “Trisha-

    Just hope the bubble gum and bailing wire hold up.

    And that none of our Pitchers go down.

    Hold the Fort until reinforcements come.

    :D

    MTU – I have an iron will. I AM the army. I need no reinforcements. Actually I’ve always felt a sense of excitement being out there by myself – though reading the comments I know I’m not actually alone.

    But I’ll take the job 24-7. I’ll go with the All Star Lineup From Yesteryear, Alex, for all the money.

    Those of you who want to wager less are free to do so. It’s your money!

    :)

  64. MTU March 25th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    OK Gang.

    Time to walk the Mopheads.

    Catch you later.

  65. ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    With decision making being what it is lately, Boras is going to takes these guys for a ride with Cano. Boras having this much leverage is a nightmare.
    ___

    Agreed. This is why there is part of me that hopes the Yankees have a Sox style collapse and force themselves to try to part with some of the bad contracts.

    At some point the business model has to change.

    If Girardi finds a way to win in the current yankee environment, it will be his best feat as the manager.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    “If Girardi finds a way to win in the current yankee environment, it will be his best feat as the manager.”

    ac1, I swear that if anyone can do it, it will be Girardi!

  67. Yankee Trader March 25th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Have to go.
    I’ll be interested to see if Wells passes his physical and who gets traded to the Angels as well as the final makeup of the 40 man as well as the 25 man roster.

    Until then “Play Musty For Me.”

  68. Baby Ruth March 25th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    ‘The Yankees must believe that Ronnier is not a capable 3B, or lacking a sufficient sample they simply don’t want to risk it.’

    ===========

    Naw its just an age thing, he isn’t old enough to break into the roster. U have to be a fossil vet.

  69. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Are there any votes for Robby’s dad taking him aside and telling him that the Yankees are his team and where he needs to be and not to necessarily be looking out for the most money?

    JUST ASKING.

  70. blake March 25th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    @jnorris427: Heathcott is leading off today in Clearwater. O’Brien is doing a sim game of three innings after tweaking his hammy. #yankees

    Guess that means he’s not going to LA

  71. Jmpasq March 25th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Are they planning on trading Granderson for prospects when he returns. If he isnt be resigned that may be the right thing to do. I for 1 dont believe this team can win the WORLD SERIES for the first time in 20 seasons. If they want to rebuild then moving some guys at the trade deadline would be smart. The Yanks will still be in contention with the 2nd WC so Im not sure if they would make a drastic move like that. Even trading Robbie give him a hefty take it or leave it offer before the deadline and if he refuses u trade him. Those long term 25 million dollar contracts are the 1′s they should be avoiding

  72. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    I mean I guess Hafner hasn’t really shown he can be the DH this spring. But if I would have said that a week ago I would have been told everyone complained about Ibanez..

    I know we’re all hoping Wells finds a way, but this move is just the epitome of everything we’ve been concerned with. Reactionary moves that may be counter productive.

    I hope we hear the final players/numbers soon. We cannot have given up anyone, right? When I saw Slade’s name yesterday I just stopped looking into it and put on trashy tv lol.

  73. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Robbie deserves the most money. If I’m playing on a team where they’re handing out $27.5 mil to Arod, $22 to Tex, and $13 to VERNON WELLS, than I want the most money for being the best player. Boras is going to rake this team over the coals. If they’re this reactionary in ST, this off season is going to be a nightmare. Wells is a 100% panic move.

  74. ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Under this new reality: here is what i think the 25 should be: because what else can i do? work? pssssh

    vs. lestah

    Gardner cf
    Nunez ss
    ichiro rf
    cano 2b
    youk 1b
    Wells DH
    Francisco LF
    Musty 3b
    cervelli c

    bench: nix (IF), stewie (BUC), boesch (of), rivera (of/1b)

    CC
    Kuroda
    Pettitte
    Nova
    Phelps

    Joba
    Kelley
    Aardsma
    Robertson
    Rivera
    Logan
    Nuno

    ALL DL team (Pineda, Alex, Tex, Grandy, Hughes)

    When Hughes comes back, Phelps will be in the pen because we know that is what will happen. Grandy will return and Boesch to AAA. Rapada back? Nuno could just stay and let them release Rapada. Pineda will sit in AAA with Wang until we need starters (because Phelps will be in the pen), Alex and Tex miss the year.

  75. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Trisha, ideally, but it may not be a matter of mo ey anymore but where he realistcaly (on paper) has the best chance to win, and to be most productive.

    I’m not sure what the Yankees can say right now about what their team is going to look like in the future.

    One would hope that Cano would feel like the Yankees are his team and want to stick around (for the right contract, of course) to help steer it into that foggy future. But after Taking so many hits to the gut in terms of trying to see the best in players, I don’t honestly know what’s going to happen.

  76. Baby Ruth March 25th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Cano didn’t hire Boras to be window dressing, they have already said ‘no home town discounts’

    Just think the $ 13 million donated to Wells could have been put to better use towards a deal for Cano.

  77. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I’d try to move Tex if possible (he’d have to waive the NTC), another thing the Yankees need to stop offering in contracts.
    ————————————–

    I think they’re a season away from completely missing the boat on having the most remote chance to do something like this.

  78. ac1 March 25th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I forgot Hafner in my 25 man. Ok, take away Aardsma or Kelley and add Hafner to the bench..

  79. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    And I don’t think Cano should take a discount, but get paid handsomely for deciding to stick around.

  80. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Yanks could have gone after Jason Bay for 1 mil/1yr with incentives, instead, we have opted for the more expensive retread.

  81. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    I’m not sure what the Yankees can say right now about what their team is going to look like in the future.

    ————————-

    Ugh, so true. Right now, we aren’t looking like the team to beat the way we used to. You could get guys to come based on results. Cano isn’t ringless. He might not think we’re built to go all the way during his final prime years.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Doreen – I guess I was responding to someone who suggested Robby would end up with the Dodgers due to Boras’s “agenting”.

    I am all for the Yankees paying Robby what they need to in order to keep him. I absolutely believe they are going to.

  83. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    If they lose Cano , they could actually be looking at going from a team with “an all-star at every position” to a team with no all-stars at any position.

  84. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Cano will go to the highest bidder in most likely scenario. As much as i like him as a player, my anticipation is that his contract will be absurd in length and dollars.

    I would trade him now or this year. But I think there is a chance Yanks will lock him up and most likely vastly overpaid him in years and dollars.

  85. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Trisha I think they are going to try, but the rest is up to Robby.

  86. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Cano isn’t ringless. He might not think we’re built to go all the way during his final prime years.
    —–
    that’s very interesting because I think that’s more of an realistic issue for the Yankees to factor in.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    “Yanks could have gone after Jason Bay for 1 mil/1yr with incentives, instead, we have opted for the more expensive retread.”

    Which makes me believe there is something going on behind the scenes (player injury?) about which we are not being told.

    I know it’s vogue to only think laterally on this forum, but things with the Yankees aren’t always what they appear. I think it’s actually ridiculous to think the Yankees picked up Wells wily nily “just because” when the outfield is already crowded Cashmoney.

    Despite being absolutely brilliant in their interpretations, Yankee fans haven’t always hit the bullseye with their calls.

    Since this move makes absolutely no sense in terms of Yankee needs, I’m believing there’s more here than meets the eye.

    We shall see.

  88. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Well, they could have an old-timers all-star at every position. ;)

    Power, Pinstripes, Pension Plans!

  89. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    One of two things will happen with Cano. He will either sign an enormous contract with the Yankees or an enormous contract with someone else. Whoever signs him to that contract will have a great player for a few years and then a vastly overpaid player for a few years. That is just the way of the baseball world.

    They have to get a clear understanding whether they will sign Cano. If they don’t think the chances are realistic given the budget etc., they must trade him. You can’t let one of the best players leave for a crummy pick at the end of the first round.

  90. brianlopez22 March 25th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    This tea is the laughing stock of baseball!

    I will only waste my money on MiLB.TV this year.
    Here we go Thunder, here we go!

    If I’m Robbie Cano, I am asking Magic for Lakers tickets right now!

  91. FiretheUMPIRE March 25th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Yankees have always brought in high profile players past their prime: Strawberry, Raines, Sierra, Canseco, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Justice, Boggs, Clemens, David Wells.

    It’s just becoming more frequent: Andruw Jones, Chavez, Ichiro, Vernon Wells. It’s like the sick is sinking and they’re bailing out water as faster as they can.

  92. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Doreen,

    You earlier post reminded me of a question. Why would it be bad to have your team have an all-star calibre player at every position? Is there a rule that some amount of lesser players is good?

  93. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Trisha, the point here is I don’t think Wells is any good as a full time player if there are indeed things behind the scenes I am not privy to.

    Sure, we will all have to wait and see, last time I check, my name aint Cashman.

  94. brianlopez22 March 25th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    FireTheUmpire, that strategy is fine, when the CORE is young and the veterans are there to supplement the lineup and clubhouse.

    The current state of affairs is to augment and fill the lineup.
    ABSOLUTELY pathetic!

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “Trisha I think they are going to try, but the rest is up to Robby.”

    You’re right. And I believe Robby will opt to stay with the Yankees.

    And unless/until we found out otherwise, I’m correct!

    ;)

  96. pat March 25th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    BlueJays
    .@Blawrie13 will start the season on the DL, Looking at a combination of DeRosa and Izturis at third. @BlueJays

  97. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    rare video of a young Melky Mesa

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndH9mhHPk0

  98. FiretheUMPIRE March 25th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Cecil Fielder is another high profile face past his prime they brought in to dupe fans.

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    “Trisha, the point here is I don’t think Wells is any good as a full time player if there are indeed things behind the scenes I am not privy to.

    Sure, we will all have to wait and see, last time I check, my name aint Cashman.”?

    :)

    Cashmoney, it seems that it isn’t a full-time player that they’re after.

    One scenario – they have determined that Granderson will not be coming back as soon as they thought he would, though he is not out for the season. They want to keep a platoon going until he’s back and don’t want to risk injury to the other outfielders and have to scurry if it should happen. Wells is having a good ST. He’s the guy.

  100. brianlopez22 March 25th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    trisha –

    Can you please enlighten me on why you would stay, if you were Robbie?
    Other than money, why would you stay for the next 8 years given the current actions of the past 2 seasons by our wonderful and majestic Front Office?

    The alternative?
    Go play for a team, in LA, where they have more money (and willing to spend it).
    You can play with Matt Kemp, Adrian Gonzalez, your Dominican brotherend Hanley Ramirez, Andre Ethier, and Carl Carwford.

    Your picthing staff is led by Calyton Kershaw and Zack Greinke.
    All of those players are either in their prime or just above that level.

    Just saying, its not looking good.

  101. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Nothing wrong with it at all Austinmac. Nothing at all. I guess TS a matter of whether it’s absolutely necessary and whether the players fit with the team.

    I think when they’re bringing in older players for a bench or platoon role, having been an all star adds to the pedigree and lends hope that the something they have left in the tank is of higher quality than that of an old player who was never all star caliber.

  102. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    @DannyKnoblerCBS

    Why do Yankees want Vernon Wells? “They must be trying to get younger,” one scout tells @JonHeymanCBS. http://cbsprt.co/XBCwhp

    Jon Heyman is making jokes at our expense. Jon Heyman.

  103. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Shame ya gotta ignore all the jokes hat are going to come at the Yankees’ expense. They’ve all been waiting for a long time for this.

    Maybe we all shouldn’t have been so gleeful over the chicken and beer red sox?

  104. mick March 25th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Like Ichiro, the key to this deal is the 2nd year.
    Hal is “crafting” next years austerity club as we speak.
    As long as Wells is healthy, Hal thinks this deal is a steal.
    Welcome to the new New York Yankees…

    We just got another “name” ballplayer to put fannies in the seats.

  105. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    My favorite top 5 baseball movie.

    1. Eight men out
    2. The Natural
    3. Major League
    4. Bull Durham
    5. Bad News bear

  106. mick March 25th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Field of Dreams tops em all.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    brainlopez22 – you certainly make a good argument.

    But Robby has also made strong connections on the Yankees, one of them being Arod. And we know Arod isn’t going anywhere. Robby also seems to be a sensitive and sentimental kid. So I guess I’m counting on those things and the “storied pinstripes”.

  108. Frankg March 25th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Other than the fact that he can’t field and hit, Dan Johnson should be in the mix as Chad observes.

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    “Maybe we all shouldn’t have been so gleeful over the chicken and beer red sox?”

    The chicken and beer Red Sox spoke to dissension and jumping ship.

    The only ship jumping I see is from skitterish fans.

    Maybe the laugh will end up being on lohud. The team is not young. But it doesn’t mean there’s nothing left in those tanks.

    I understand the negativity. I just don’t share it. It takes a lot more than not understanding why they got Vernon Wells to bring me down.

    I’ve already drawn my line in the sand. If Robby doesn’t remain in pinstripes, there’s something wrong in Denmark. Otherwise, GO YANKEES!!!

  110. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Doreen – Nah, that was way too much fun to ignore! :twisted:

    Right now I’m more upset I spent so much time making fun of the M’s. God help us if they plan on playing Wells in the field. We have too many DHs!!! How many defensively challenged players can one team field? I thought our D was supposed to save all those runs we lost via the long ball this year.

    Question: We can just release wells in 2014, right?

  111. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Jon Heyman is making jokes at our expense. Jon Heyman.
    -
    Are they really jokes though or just the unpleasant reality?

  112. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Remember this winter when we were all like, “Hey at least they didn’t do something dumb like trade for Vernon Wells!”

    Awww… Mems.

  113. brianlopez22 March 25th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    If Robbie stays with the Yankees, we should all thank our lucky starts.

    The team is literally making it harder and harder for him to them seriously.

  114. Doreen March 25th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Trisha I’m just trying to be light. I know it’s apples and oranges. :)

  115. DONNYBROOK March 25th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Pretty tough to envision Yankee Prospects leading the Yanks to a Championship down-the-road. Hal and Company are absolute idiots when it comes to knowing how to run an MLB Franchise. Trading for Wells issa panic, dumb, and totally knee-jerk move. These guys are incapable of evaluating, developing, and appropriating youth at the MLB level. Any degree of young talent they May hang onto, is going to be jerked around ala Chamberlain. Hal is an absolutely total embarassment. These are Very Dark Times in Yankee Land.

  116. Tackelberry March 25th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 25th, 2013 at 10:07 am
    Cecil Fielder is another high profile face past his prime they brought in to dupe fans.

    ________________________________________________

    And he only helped lead them to a WS title the year they got him, Some dupe job

  117. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Question: We can just release wells in 2014, right?

    Until I see what the full trade actual is I can’t be certain, but if they are getting 18 or more million in cash from the angels in 2014 then they can just cut him and he won’t impact the 2014 payroll.

  118. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    I wouldn’t call it dark times yet but there are troubling signs that the franchise, after perhaps a pretty decent season this year if the pitchers max out and the older hitters turn back the clock several years, may be headed for an unnecessary decline due to very suboptimal management.

  119. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Thanks JF, hopefully that’s their plan.

    I want to see what the money breakdown is and if we included anyone to get them to comp us for the bulk of his salary.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “Trading for Wells issa panic, dumb, and totally knee-jerk move.”

    Unless there’s more here than meets the eye. Because it does seem to be a “panic, dumb, and totally knee-jerk move” I’m convinced it isn’t any of the above. Whatever else you may feel about Hal, he isn’t stupid.

    So either I turn out to be right, or delusional. I’m too smart to be delusional. I’m convinced something’s afoot. Has got to be. Nothing else makes sense. Nothing.

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    And Donnybrook, I keep hearing about a “panic” move. Panic over what?

  122. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    All of baseball and all the media are making fun of the Yankees. They have gone from the gorilla in the room to a joke picking up player after player no other team wants. MLB radio was all Yankees this morning, and it wasn’t good.

    In the old days, vets would be brought in as supplements or while they still were perfroming well. Clemens and Wells, for example.

    Now, every player they acquire they add the proviso, “well, we hope he can bounce back to what he formerly was.” Some people actually think that is a plan?

  123. Baby Ruth March 25th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    NYY could have spent this ‘wasted’ Wells money 3 months ago and gotten a better return.

    Of course it is a desperation move when $ 90 million of your $ 215 million dollar payroll for 2013 is on the DL

  124. DONNYBROOK March 25th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    When a team starts eating up the 25 Man with guys like Wells, you got the early 90′s all over again. Yanks could of had 3yrs of Keppinger at $4 Mill per. Better player, more versatility, and still in his prime. Wells at this point in his career is merely “a name”, that is referrenced with “and 5 yrs ago” blah,blah, blah. The Yankee FO is an absolute laughing stock.

  125. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    There is a plan, but it belongs to the Angels. The Yankees are just throwing stuff against the walk, hoping luck trumps facts.

  126. pat March 25th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I’m just looking forward to baseball. Pick 25 of them, play the games and let the chips fall where they may.

  127. DONNYBROOK March 25th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    If you do Not know why the Yankee FO is panicking, you should put in an application there. You are Very qualified.

  128. RadioKev March 25th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    This really isn’t that bad a move in the context of the past month. It’s a really bad move in the context of the entire offseason.

    Then again, Tex, Granderson, A-Rod and Jeter all on the DL is some worst case scenario stuff. But, they’ve invited this because they didn’t add any quality bats.

  129. Baby Ruth March 25th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    At this rate they will be lucky to finish .500. Just wait until one of the SP goes down with an injury.

  130. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    I emailed Mark Feinsand about the CBA, and he claims his source that he referenced on twitter last night was even confused about the CBA… Argh.

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    “All of baseball and all the media are making fun of the Yankees.”

    Yes, and in the words of St. Francis of Assisi “I often laugh at what I don’t understand.”

    The one who laughs last, laughs the best.

    “‘Now, every player they acquire they add the proviso, ‘well, we hope he can bounce back to what he formerly was.’”

    austin, did you see Wells’s ST stats?

    Look I continue to say it doesn’t appear to make sense. For that reason, I believe there’s something more to it than meets the eye. Because on paper it makes absolutely no sense at all.

  132. bruceb March 25th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Spring Training = what a waste of time.

    What’s the point in the Yankees inviting people to camp to try out for the team when you know that however well they play (Mustellier being a likely example) the front office will still opt to go with a veteran has-been?

    As many have pointed out on this board last night and this morning, Cashman and Co. have already passed on many more better options than Vernon Wells. $13 million for a 34-year-old who has hit .230 and .218 over the last two seasons? Talk about money for old rope.

  133. Tackelberry March 25th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Looks like Yanks are responsible for 6.5 mill per over the next 2 years of Wells’s contract, but will apparently pay all 13 mill this year to minimize the impact on the 2014 payroll. So that means they basically have him for free next season if they keep him? Didn’t know this was allowed.

  134. brianlopez22 March 25th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    trisha – panic over what? really?

    Granderson, out 10 weeks
    Tex, out for the season
    ARod, who knows what will happen here
    Travis Hafner is the DH.
    Jeter will start the season the DL

    We tried Boesch and Ben Francisco, neither guy can hit their weight in the majors.
    The entire FO has no faith in any of the internal options.

    So, panic for what? oh, I don’t know

  135. mick March 25th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    WE should be getting a prospect in return for doing them the favor of taking Wells off their hands.
    They should get nothing from us.

  136. FiretheUMPIRE March 25th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Ever get the feeling that close associations with Goldman Sachs suits have driven away throw-back type Yankees scouts and execs whose voices have been muzzled over the years and Cashman is last man standing?

  137. Baby Ruth March 25th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Wells
    Hafner
    Boesch
    Stewart
    Cervelli
    Rivera
    Francisco

    I guess a couple of these guys could start for the Astros ……………………

  138. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Looks like Yanks are responsible for 6.5 mill per over the next 2 years of Wells’s contract, but will apparently pay all 13 mill this year to minimize the impact on the 2014 payroll. So that means they basically have him for free next season if they keep him? Didn’t know this was allowed.

    This is what I emailed Mark Feinsand

    Accidentally hit ctrl-enter and sent an email too quick! Here are the relevant passages that will impact the Yankees in the Vernon Wells trade. I think your source was completely wrong.

    On Trades, Section C 2 (b) i – General Rule
    General Rule: If a Uniform Player’s Contract is assigned
    by any means to another Major League Club, the assignor Club
    shall be allocated Salary through the date of the assignment and
    Salary shall begin being allocated to the assignee Club on the fol-lowing day, regardless of the Player’s reporting date.

    Salary here is a term specified in Section A
    (11) “Salary” shall be defined as provided in Section E below
    and shall be attributable to Contract Years as provided in Sections C
    and E below.

    Here is the passage from section E

    (2) Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts
    A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1)
    championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to
    have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual
    Value” of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by
    operation of Section E(4) below). “Average Annual Value” shall be
    calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guar-anteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other
    payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to
    a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c)
    any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed
    to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall
    be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years.

    So even though Wells is owed 42 million over 2 years, his contracts AAV is 18 million. That is the only amount that matters for the luxury tax. Now the Angels can send cash considerations, which can be asymmetrical (the Yankees did this with AJ burnett). Here is how Cash considerations impact the luxury tax.

    Section C 2 b
    (iii) Cash Consideration: An assignor Club that pays cash
    consideration in lieu of assigning an unnamed player or to defray
    all or part of the salary obligation of the assignee Club for an
    assigned Player shall include such cash consideration in its Actual
    Club Payroll in the Contract Year in which the cash consideration
    is paid; provided, however, that any such cash consideration
    included as part of a Player assignment made during the 2016
    Contract Year but not payable until the 2017 Contract Year shall
    be included in the assignor Club’s 2016 Actual Club Payroll to the
    extent that the assignee Club does not have equivalent salary obli-gations under Player contracts obtained in the assignment in the
    2017 championship season or beyond. Any cash consideration
    that is, pursuant to the preceding sentence, included in the Actual
    Club Payroll of the payor Club shall be subtracted from the Actual
    Club Payroll of the payee Club in the same Contract Year in which
    it is added to the payor Club’s Actual Club Payroll.

    So the Yankees are taking on 18 AAV – X where X is the amount of Cash Considerations in the given contract year. If the Angels gave 20 million in 2014, the Yankees would essentially get a 2 million dollar credit.

  139. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    They need CC, Pettitte, and Kuroda healthy and maxing out. Then two of Hughes, Phelps, Nova and Wang have to be a little better than league average almost every time out.

  140. DONNYBROOK March 25th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Did it make sense to jerk Chamberlain around? Did it make sense to exile Nunez to the Minors? Wells follows in this same line. These guys are buffons.

  141. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I emailed Mark Feinsand about the CBA, and he claims his source that he referenced on twitter last night was even confused about the CBA… Argh.
    -

    That allows him an excuse for not understanding it.

  142. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Wells can’t play the field… how is this anything but a panic move? It’s definitely not a move being made to back up any of our open holes in the INF or OF.

    I wish we would get someone that has better career splits in the area we need it: vs RHP.

  143. mick March 25th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    brian-

    don’t knock trish, she’s entitled to her opinion, consider her an objective yankee fan where you are a subjective, passionate one with time and love invested.

    where you feel the pain , she does not….to each his/her own.

  144. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Anyone comparing the acquisition of Fielder to Wells needs to actually have some facts. Fielder’s OPS the last two years before he was acquired were well over .800 whereas Wells’ OPS both of his last two years were well under .700.

    Back then, they tried to add guys who would help. Now, I have no clue why they add these has beens.

  145. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    bruceb – THEN MAYBE THERE’S MORE TO IT THAN MEETS THE EYE!!!!

    I yell because it’s like spitting in the wind here.

    If they’ve passed on better options, pehaps something has recenltly happened to cause them to go in this direction.

    At least consider the possiblity. Because the alternative makes not a whit of sense.

  146. DONNYBROOK March 25th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Whether you feel the Yanks are gonna play over .500, or make the Playoffs is Not relevant. Just judge the Wells move on its face. Horrible

  147. Bo knows March 25th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    These guys are buffons.
    ———————
    That’s like waxons?

  148. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Trisha,

    Spring training stats agaisnt minor league pitchers in hitters parks in Arizona mean nothing. Have you seen his stats agaisnt real major league pitchers the last two years? Do you not think that has more weight than 30 spring training at-bats?

    He is one more player the Yankees pray will somehow turn around a career heading toward the trash can.

    Do you think this was a wise use of $13 million?

  149. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    I can think of 7 players on this team right now that can/will DH. Less than half can play the field.

    I’m assuming this means they release Hafner?

  150. brianlopez22 March 25th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    mick – you are absolutely right.

    Being a Yankee fan my whole life and being a personal witness to the massacre on the Yankee logo in the 80′s and early 90′s, I never would have thought that the organization would ever go back there.

    Back to a place where youth has been ignored.
    Back to a place, where we trade away prospects for guys we HOPE will have an average year.
    Back to a place where a team’s former start is now our cornerstone.

    It didn’t only happen, but we are bathing in it now.
    I can only salvage my need to watch baseball by watching the Thunder and Tampa Yankees this year.

    But I am literally sick to my stomach.

  151. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Why do Well’s ST stats matter if Ibanez’s didn’t…? This is just picking and choosing. Well’s stats over the last two full baseball seasons are more indicative of what we’ve gotten. A power bat that’s on it’s last leg.

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    “We tried Boesch and Ben Francisco, neither guy can hit their weight in the majors.”

    Actually Francisco hasn’t been doing badly for the Ys.

  153. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    :arrow:

    At least we can be excited about Wang being back (sorta).

  154. mick March 25th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    brian-
    i feel you brother.
    take a deep breath.
    let them play a game and get back to me…

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    mick – thanks.

    austin – I’m of course totally out of answers but since I’ve learned in life that the legitimacy of an event isn’t always predicated upon my understanding of it, I do take the time to try to consider alternative explanations.

    That’s what I’m doing here.

  156. Duh Innings II March 25th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    What a ridiculously bad job by Cashman this offseason:

    $13M for two years of Vernon Wells

    $13M for two years of Suzuki who is too old to commit two years to

    $12M to Youkilis who is not worth double what Mark Reynolds four times what Eric Chavez got

    $12M to Pettitte who wasn’t gonna sign elsewhere or retire if he was offered $7M and he’s worth $2M more than Mo? Really? No way!

    $50M to five players 34 years old and older, $43.5M this year.

    I would have offered Scott Hairston, Youkilis, and Suzuki a year and $6M each, Pettitte a year and $7M. Hairston would’ve taken that. If Youkilis rejected that, I trade Chamberlain in a package for 3B Mike Olt. If Suzuki rejected that, I go with a Boesch/Rivera RF platoon and a Gardner/Francisco LF platoon. If Pettitte rejected his offer, I go with Sabathia/Kuroda/Hughes/Nova/Phelps with Wang and Warren as my reinforcements to start 2014.

    Signing Boesch and Hafner, re-signing Rivera, Pettitte, Kuroda, Stewart, and giving Wang, Francisco, Juan Rivera, Johnson, and Diaz minor-league contracts were no-brainers.

  157. Duh Innings II March 25th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    * Rotation to start 2013.

  158. Dill Pickler March 25th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Whatever the decisions are, it’s a joke. getting Wells smells of desperation because it is. Desperate. And they can try to spin it any way they want to, saying that the Tex injury at the WBC means that insurance covers his salary while he’s out, whatever. Who cares that Wells had a nice spring training. It’s spring training. Remember Bubba Crosby? Routinely had great ST, and everyone went “oooh, Bubba Crosby.” How’d that work out? The bottom line is the steinbrenner boys wanted to go the “austerity” route (read: “We want more of the money in OUR pockets! Not being put back into the team!”), so we have Francisco Cervelli as our starting catcher, and we couldn’t match the Mariners $1.5 million contract offer to Ibanez (????). And instead of replacing our power-hitting corner outfielder, we signed Ichiro to a 2-year deal (????), giving us two slap-hitters at the corner outfield spots. Great.

    And anyone who thinks our pitching is going to somehow overcome this giant steaming cup of stupid is in for an unpleasant surprise. This is a solid rotation. Hopefully. Not a great one. Even CC is not a shutout pitcher. And when you have a lineup that will struggle to score even 1 or 2 runs, you need dominant pitchers, not just solid guys who will give you a chance, if you have a decent lineup. CC-Pettitte-Kuroda-Hughes-Nova are not exactly 5 aces.

    It’s one thing to say, “we’re going with the kids because we believe in them,” but the Yanks aren’t going with kids, because they don’t have any kids that are ready. In that situation, you bite the bullet and do what it takes to field a competitive team. You would think. Not lurk around by the garbage dump like a bottom feeder to pick up other teams’ detritus.

    But hey, we got our austerity! The New York Yankees have a lineup full of castoffs, backups and minor leaguers. Have ticket prices been cut? Outrageous concession prices been cut? Executive salaries?

    Yankee fans should be in revolt.

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