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Pineda to face hitters in two weeks

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 25, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Continuing his progress from last year’s shoulder surgery, Michael Pineda is scheduled to throw a 45-pitch bullpen tomorrow. He’s not sure how hard he’s been throwing the ball, but he said he’s felt no discomfort, his command has been “perfect” and Pineda said coaches hav told him he looks good and strong. He’s seemed encouraged every step along the way.

Pineda said the next significant step comes in two weeks when he’s scheduled to throw live batting practice for the first time.

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281 Responses to “Pineda to face hitters in two weeks”

  1. jacksquat March 25th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    The only “source” these guys (or anyone) needs is the CBA itself. Just read it. Especially if it relates to your job.

  2. jacksquat March 25th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Go Pineda!

    (but not too fast)

  3. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    I hope they learned from their mistake, and don’t rush him this time.

  4. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Pineda to the minors for 1 month after rehab please. Get back your year of control.

  5. jacksquat March 25th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    Pineda to the minors for 1 month after rehab please. Get back your year of control.

    The Yankees seem to never do this. Let’s hope they start.

  6. RadioKev March 25th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    You know what the disturbing part is, Rich?

    That’s way better than Ben Francsico! And he was better than Boesch last season! And he has way less strike outs than Melky Mesa in the past two seasons!

  7. pat March 25th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Lohse rumored to be in the 3/$33M neighborhood.

  8. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    RadioKev March 25th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    You know what the disturbing part is, Rich?

    That’s way better than Ben Francsico! And he was better than Boesch last season! And he has way less strike outs than Melky Mesa in the past two seasons!
    __

    I guess (although I think Boesch has a chance to take advantage of the RF dimensions), and if he had been DFA’d and cleared waivers, it might have made some sense, unless he would be blocking Musty, but are they are really going to spend $13m on him, and whatever million on Morneau, and then whatever million on some other save the season move?

    If so, that luxury tax savings/rebate starts to melt away.

    Mesa is still learning, I hope.

  9. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    @YankeeSource 6m

    Digging deep into the stat book to find something positive about Vernon Wells. We all know there has to be something right?

    Man, even YankeeSource is having trouble with this..

  10. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    pat March 25th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Lohse rumored to be in the 3/$33M neighborhood.

    —————–

    It’s amazing. People that doubt Boras are dumb.

  11. RadioKev March 25th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    You know who I heard on the radio the other day? David Ross. Wish we picked that guy up. Seems like a quality teammate and he’s a good player.

  12. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    You know who I heard on the radio the other day? David Ross. Wish we picked that guy up. Seems like a quality teammate and he’s a good player.

    On MLBXM’s 30 in 30 red sox camp they interviewed him and he was a really nice guy. I wanted him as well because he was a LHB and could platoon with stewart or cervelli. Shame they didn’t go after him.

  13. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Why didn’t they go after Ross?

  14. RadioKev March 25th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Well Rich, I think fans expect a “save the season move,” but I don’t view this as a hail mary. I view it as a fill-in role, with perhaps a little more upside there.

    But hey, I get it. It’s hard to be thrilled about Vernon Wells.

  15. jacksquat March 25th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    @YankeeSource 6m

    Digging deep into the stat book to find something positive about Vernon Wells. We all know there has to be something right?

    Man, even YankeeSource is having trouble with this..

    I did this last night.

    Last year he hit well hitting 8th, and leading off an inning. Both SSS. Other than that…

  16. Baby Ruth March 25th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    ‘It’s amazing. People that doubt Boras are dumb.’

    ————-

    Doesn’t he represent some guy named Cano now ?

  17. jacksquat March 25th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    pat March 25th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Lohse rumored to be in the 3/$33M neighborhood.

    —————–

    It’s amazing. People that doubt Boras are dumb.

    Supposedly went over the GM’s head and did the deal with ownership. Sounds familiar…

  18. FiretheUMPIRE March 25th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Vernon Wells makes some sense if they want to reserve at least the option of trading Granderson at the trade deadline. You could have Ichiro, Gardner and Wells out there with Francisco, Boesch, Mesa, Almonte. It’s a weak bridge to Heathcott, Austin and Williams but you have to factor in the return the Yankees could possibly get for Granderson.

  19. Grant March 25th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Can anyone explain the Wells acquisition? Why now, why someone for two years, why him? I can’t even understand the upside here.

  20. yankeefeminista March 25th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    “He’s not sure how hard he’s been throwing the ball”
    ______
    Good, continue not to let him know his velo. Not to get all reductionist, but the velo obsession was a big mistake the last time around.

  21. 86w183 March 25th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    David Ross is a RH hitter. I wanted Ross and Pierzinski when the post-season started. Would have been a terrific platoon

  22. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Jerkface,

    Good job with the cap issue. We have faith in you here on these matters..

  23. pat March 25th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    yagottagotomo
    We know Angels stadium kills hitters, AND Wells is righty. Last two yrs v. lefties away from anaheim: .310/ .347 /.595

  24. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Rich,

    They couldn’t go after Ross. He had the audacity to want a couple million in 2014. It violates the minimum contract or nothing philosophy.

  25. FiretheUMPIRE March 25th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    There’s the stat @yankeesource couldn’t find. Amateur.

  26. yankeefeminista March 25th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Josh Norris@jnorris427
    Turley, Cotham and Burawa the first three pitchers for Trenton today. Slade, Flores, Austin, Segedin, Murphy, Ibarra in lineup.

    Heathcott is leading off today in Clearwater.
    ___
    Trenton will have a great outfield and a truly sucky infield.

  27. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    No a bad deal for the brewers. Boras gets good players and good players normally gets signed for good deal of money. It is as rudimentary as that.

  28. yankeefeminista March 25th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Only one who might be decent is Nunez at 1B, but haven’t seen him play live in a couple of years, so that body might have gotten even more muscle-bound.

  29. chicken little March 25th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    vernon wells better not be kevin brown. both were at the end of ridiculous long term deals, and both were acquired by the yanks as knee-jerk reactions (brown because pettitte signed with houston). both had two years left on the deal.

  30. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    A friend of mine’s son, a college pitcher, had labrum surgery the same week as Pineda. He feels great, but his velocity is down a few mph. It is a long road. He is still very much a wait and hope.

  31. yankeefeminista March 25th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Ugh, chicken little, please don’t mention that name in here. I knew we’d lose game 7 from the moment they announced it would be you-know-who pitching. Only Yankee playoff game that I ever left early.

  32. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Rich,

    They couldn’t go after Ross. He had the audacity to want a couple million in 2014. It violates the minimum contract or nothing philosophy.

    —————

    Lol, yeah Cash wasn’t allowed to make any offers outside of Kuroda. I think Ross has a $3 million AAV… and Boston has 3 catchers!

  33. UnKnown March 25th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    AAO – Thanks for that link to the Cash interview. Really enjoyed someone asking some tough questions.

    Cash is going to have to pop some more percocet after that interview.

  34. jacksquat March 25th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Kevin Brown was coming off a 169 ERA+ year, not similar at all.

  35. yankeefeminista March 25th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Yanks couldn’t afford to give Ross that second year at a hefty 3.1 mil.

  36. 86w183 March 25th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    No comparison between Wells and Brown. Brown was one of the most expensive guys in MLB and a known clubhouse problem. Wells is cheap (for the Yanks) and could fill a need if he can be the player of 2010 instead of the injury plagued (wrist) last two years.

    By the way Freddie Garcia was just released. Is he old enough to acquire?

  37. yankeefeminista March 25th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Josh Norris @jnorris427 4m
    Un. Freaking. Real. Flores singles again, Austin goes deep … again. That’s three in the last two days. #yankees @TrentonThunder

  38. yankeefeminista March 25th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    “Brown was one of the most expensive guys in MLB and a known clubhouse problem.”
    ___
    I don’t care about the comparisons one way or another, but Brown should never have been pitching an ALCS Game 7. That is just sad.

  39. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    RadioKev

    There is no save the season move. Those moves usually come from having ML ready young players who get their opportunity when veterans go down. That they don’t have any is Cashman’s biggest failure.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 25th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Such good news! Fingers crossed.

  41. jacksquat March 25th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    RadioKev

    There is no save the season move. Those moves usually come from having ML ready young players who get their opportunity when veterans go down. That they don’t have any is Cashman’s biggest failure.

    Yeah, because normally organizations have their minor leagues stuffed with save the season type talent ready to go in case of emergency.

  42. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Omg, get Austin up here by the ASB.

  43. FiretheUMPIRE March 25th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    geebus what’s up with Tyler Austin down there in Trenton?

  44. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Musty to 3B/1B!!

    Austin to the OF!!

    Wells in a well!!

  45. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    David Ross is a RH hitter. I wanted Ross and Pierzinski when the post-season started. Would have been a terrific platoon

    You’re right. I’m confusing my desired platoon. AJP/Ross was the wish!

  46. Sir Harden Thick March 25th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    On the positve side, Cashman has done a good job with starting pitching depth.

    1. CC
    2. Kuroda
    3. AP
    4. Hughes
    5. Nova
    6. Phelps
    7. Pineda
    8. Wang
    9. Warren
    10. Nuno
    11. Manny Banlous(next year)

    No need for Freddy Garcia

  47. RadioKev March 25th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    I’d put Marshall ahead of Warren by the way…

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    blake March 25th, 2013 at 11:48 am
    I’m gonna watch the Braves in April and pretend they are the Yankees
    blake March 25th, 2013 at 8:43 am
    Trade Cano to Seattle for a boat load then sign him back this winter

    ///

    I’m gonna watch Trenton in April and catch some Charleston in May and imagine them as the Yankees in a few years.

    As for your earlier idea, LMAO, that would actually BE the kind of wacky-on-surface /awesome-unanticipated-stealth move Cashman keeps patting himself on the back for but which hasn’t actually happened.

  49. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    “Yeah, because normally organizations have their minor leagues stuffed with save the season type talent ready to go in case of emergency.”

    Squat!

    Way to overdraw a point into meaninglessness. They don’t have anyone. No one. Nothing. Got it/

  50. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Question: Did I read that correctly that the Yankees DFA’ed Brennan Boesch?

  51. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    JAP –

    Just think, next year when the Mariners come to Yankee Stadium and Joba is starting with Montero behind the plate you can come to New York and root for Seattle.

  52. 86w183 March 25th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    I think I’d take Austin over all the other outfielders in the system. And I like several of them…. Mesa, Williams, Heathcott, Almonte and Flores

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    yankeefeminista March 25th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    Josh Norris @jnorris427 4m
    Un. Freaking. Real. Flores singles again, Austin goes deep … again. That’s three in the last two days. #yankees @TrentonThunder
    ////

    Bring them both up and get rid of the grizzle :)

    Flores is going to hit wherever he winds up. He can do everything else ably enough, so there’s no major learning curve; I don’t think he’ll ever be a plus defender but he’ll be adequate and his stick is just so good. Heady player, too.

    Austin I haven’t seen in the OF but again, with his bat, I’m sure he can handle RF well enough.

    If these guys can really excel this year, they could breath life into this feeble lineup later in the season. The problem is, the FO will die trying with old hacks until the last horn sounds, rather than see their decline as an opportunity to bring in young bloods.

  54. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    RLYW has Vernon’s projections for this year: http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/.....rojections

    Not pretty.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    *breathE life

  56. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    My take on the Wells trade is that with the salary issue resolved for 2014 this is a minor deal that’s not really worth all the consternation.

    The Yankees won’t give up anything for him – not even money really – since the WBC is paying the majority of his contract and he gets them a few spare million in 2014 (which might be the best thing he brings to the team).

    It’s like the Boesch pick up – if you catch some lightning in a bottle, that would be great, if not – no loss.

  57. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Do I wish the Yankees had made different moves this offseason – sure. But they didn’t and so we move on…keep looking in the rear view mirror and you’ll drive right into the car in front of you?

  58. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    “Not pretty.”

    Then need some anonymous scouts in their database.

  59. LGY March 25th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    My take on the Wells trade is that with the salary issue resolved for 2014 this is a minor deal that’s not really worth all the consternation.

    ————–

    It’s an indication of an incompetent front office.

    That’s why you can’t just hand wave every move, no matter how small, like the Kontos for Stewart deal last year.

    Every decision is a reflection of their ability to build a successful team and this is the latest and possibly largest red flag.

  60. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    The rare salient point by Mike Francesa:

    The Yankees gave their kids all spring to prove themselves so they wouldn’t have to go out and get Vernon Wells and they couldn’t do it.

    Granted the man doesn’t know Ronnier Mustelier exists – but the point is still valid.

  61. blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    FiretheUMPIRE says:
    March 25, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    geebus what’s up with Tyler Austin down there in Trenton?

    The guy can really hit….

  62. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    There are/were potentially very important opportunity costs in allocating $13m to what is likely a non or minimally productive asset like Wells. To say it is a minor move overlooks what else the money could have been or could be spent on.

  63. blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Austin may not have the highest ceiling in the sysyem but if he stays healthy I’m fairly confident he’s going to be a good big league hitter…..the swing is too solid and his approach is too mature for him not to hit……he looked like he belonged already at the late this spring

  64. Tackelberry March 25th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Josh Norris?@jnorris427

    “This time, for variety’s sake, Flores triples and Austin singles him in. #yankees”

    Damm get Flores up here too with Austin!

  65. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    “The Yankees gave their kids all spring to prove themselves so they wouldn’t have to go out and get Vernon Wells and they couldn’t do it.”

    Yeah, the farm system is barren at the top, but it’s a mistake to view it as an either or situation.

  66. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Every decision is a reflection of their ability to build a successful team and this is the latest and possibly largest red flag.

    ————————-

    Yep. This is a reactionary move.

    This is an ‘oh sh*t there are actually games next week!’ move.

  67. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Josh Norris @jnorris427 4m
    Un. Freaking. Real. Flores singles again, Austin goes deep … again. That’s three in the last two days. #yankees @TrentonThunder

    Yeah Tyler Austin. I will take Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, Angelo Gumbs, Mark Montgomery from the 2010 draft over one of Nick Castellanos!!!!

    And encouraging news on Pineda!! Hopefully see him in July :)

  68. blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Congrats JF for again knowing more about the CBA and how contracts can work than the people who get paid to cover this stuff .

    It’s really kinda embarrassing that so many writers don’t take the time to learn the rules so heir columns can be more accurate

  69. Tackelberry March 25th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    Question: Did I read that correctly that the Yankees DFA’ed Brennan Boesch?

    __________________________________

    Where did you read this?

  70. blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Yeah Tyler Austin. I will take Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, Angelo Gumbs, Mark Montgomery from the 2010 draft over one of Nick Castellanos!!!!

    I would take all those guys AND Castellanos!

  71. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    There are/were potentially very important opportunity costs in allocating $13m to what is likely a non or minimally productive asset like Wells. To say it is a minor move overlooks what else the money could have been or could be spent on.

    ——————–

    Beltran costs $13 million.

  72. blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    @jnorris427: This time, for variety’s sake, Flores triples and Austin singles him in. #yankees

    Those two sound like quite the duo

  73. blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    @jnorris427: Now we have a situation. Austin went in hard at second, required a trainer, stayed in and scored. Now is replaced in RF. #yankees

    Argh

  74. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS 1m

    final score: #yankees will pay betw $13M and $14M of wells thru ’14, closer to $14M. #angels

    The price keeps going up, what is Cash negotiating??

  75. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Shame

    Right. Or as I said last night: Soler, Cespedes, Darvish, etc.

    This suggests that there is no asset allocation strategy at the top. Rather than spend smartly when good values present themselves, they are only willing to spend when they starting panicking.

    We now have some indication that if they suck enough, $189m may not be real.

    So it may be better for fans if they suck.

  76. Against All Odds March 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    UnKnown March 25th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    AAO – Thanks for that link to the Cash interview. Really enjoyed someone asking some tough questions.

    Cash is going to have to pop some more percocet after that interview.

    ————————————

    You’re welcome. I’m still trying to find the entire link but I’ll probably need a Sirius account to do that.

    Anyway a poster over at NYYfans gave a breakdown of what else happened.

    Cash and Russo talk about his jump injury.

    Russo brings up the teams’ age and injuries. Cashman not concerned about age (“Our older players got us to 95 wins) or stamina. He is concerned about injuries. His biggest concern is Tex. Said wrist injuries and recovery are very complicated and not as predictable as the other players’ injuries.

    Cashman insists that the 189M payroll didn’t affect any of the decisions he’s made this off season

    ARod- blah blah blah…pat answers, nothing new.

    Farm system:
    Cashman lists Phelps, Nova, Joba, Hughes and AJax as successes. Russo said he’ll only give Cashman AJax. Cashman gets annoyed and tries to justify his choices. Russo (a Giant fan, of course) asks, “Where’s your Buster Posey?” Cashman retorts with Yankees’ positioning in the draft and asks Russo “Where did the Giants pick Posey?” Russo said that not all successful Giants farmhands were top picks – mentions Cain (25th), Lincecum and others as examples.

    Russo asks, “OK…where is your Matt Cain?” Cashman becoming more agitated, ornery and defensive in his tone. He responds with, “You don’t consider Hughes or Wang at that level?” Russo, who actually kept level-headed during the interview, becoming more befuddled by the minute with Cashman’s responses and attacks Cashman’s response to Cashman’s chagrin.
    Cashman brings up Cano as a Yankee farm success. Russo disagrees by saying he was an international signing and not some kid the Yanks drafted out of high school. Cashman said that isn’t relevant; that his development was within thje system.

    Russo said that the Yanks haven’t developed a top pitcher since Andy Pettitte. Cashman brings up Wang, Nova, Hughes and Ian Kennedy as examples that the Yankees have indeed developed top pitchers. Russo is astounded by this response, insists none come close to Pettitte and that some of the players he mentioned shouldn’t even be considered successes. You can sense Cashman seething on the other end.

    Interview ends with Russo asking about Cano signing. Cashman said he has no comment and will not offer any public conversation on the matter.

    from ArodEra

  77. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Yeah Tyler Austin. I will take Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, Angelo Gumbs, Mark Montgomery from the 2010 draft over one of Nick Castellanos!!!!

    I would take all those guys AND Castellanos!

    True, but cannot have one without another or else the Tigers would have drafted Williams and Co. too!!!

  78. Against All Odds March 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Disagree with Russo about Cano.

  79. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Rich, I think it’s a minor move in terms of impact. As for the money spent on Wells, I can only surmise this is best they can do in allocating 13 mil in getting any kind of upgrade in their RH vs LHP/OF configuration at this point of the year. The regret here is that they could have added much better pieces earlier instead being saddle with a marginal upgrade at best.

    Is he an upgrade? That is remain to be seen. Could this money be saved for another move later on, I don’t know the answer to that, I also dunno if Yanks are willing to commit significant dollars in acquiring helps during the season.

  80. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    @jnorris427: Now we have a situation. Austin went in hard at second, required a trainer, stayed in and scored. Now is replaced in RF. #yankees

    Argh
    _

    Let’s hope it’s merely precautionary.

  81. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    @jnorris427: Now we have a situation. Austin went in hard at second, required a trainer, stayed in and scored. Now is replaced in RF. #yankees

    Hopefully nothing serious. Austin has been through sooooo much. I mean the kid beat c@ncer. Please be healthy!!!!

  82. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    LGY March 25th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    My take on the Wells trade is that with the salary issue resolved for 2014 this is a minor deal that’s not really worth all the consternation.

    ————–

    It’s an indication of an incompetent front office.

    That’s why you can’t just hand wave every move, no matter how small, like the Kontos for Stewart deal last year.

    Every decision is a reflection of their ability to build a successful team and this is the latest and possibly largest red flag.
    ———————-

    I think the Kontos/Stewart deal was more of a shot to Cervelli than anything involving the two players traded. George Kontos was a RHRP in an organization that’s very deep in that position so using him to send Cervelli a message (that the back-up catcher job shouldn’t be taken as a given) was worth it to the organization. If the result is that Cervelli went to AAA and worked hard to improve himself behind the plate – which it appears he has – then that deal could be a positive one for the Yankees.

    I don’t want Vernon Wells here (unless you’re dumping Alex to get him) any more than I want Rivera here, but in the case of Wells you’re talking about a guy who could easily find himself released by Memorial Day if he doesn’t perform. At the very least, he’s going to be relegated to the Andruw Jones role once Granderson returns unless he forces the Yankees to play him more regularly.

    I think we are blowing minor moves out of proportion because we don’t understand or agree with the way the front office is going about its business.

    Getting back to Chris Stewart for a minute – my hope is that Austin Romine takes this demotion in stride, goes to AAA and forces the Yankees to call him up by the middle of the season. It’s the same way I feel about Ronnier Mustelier if he loses a spot to Juan Rivera.

    The unfortunate thing is that we know (and the Yankees know) that Stewart and Rivera aren’t good players and the fact that they are going to carry them is going to cost them games.

  83. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    The one good point is that Josh Norris is there and I think we will hopefully know one way or another. That being said, the Yankees are kbg secretive with their injuries.

  84. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Cash

    If it works, it rewards stupidity, but that’s what we are left rooting for, stupidity to succeed.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
    JAP –

    Just think, next year when the Mariners come to Yankee Stadium and Joba is starting with Montero behind the plate you can come to New York and root for Seattle.
    ///

    Yeah, that’s right. That’s why I’ve been so OK with the Yankees having traded Montero, and with them having stuffed Joba and his four pitch arsenal into the bullpen. Because I can’t wait to cheer them on for another team so they can beat my team.

    Stealth.

  86. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Congrats JF for again knowing more about the CBA and how contracts can work than the people who get paid to cover this stuff .

    It’s really kinda embarrassing that so many writers don’t take the time to learn the rules so heir columns can be more accurate

    —————————-

    It’s why it’s a mistake to believe that we are some how completely in the dark as a fan base.

    Yes, there will always be things hidden behind the curtain.. but the CBA, the rules, and the statistics of the game are not some Illuminati manifestos hidden in the Temple of Doom.

  87. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS 1m

    final score: #yankees will pay betw $13M and $14M of wells thru ’14, closer to $14M. #angels

    The price keeps going up, what is Cash negotiating??
    —————-

    I don’t think the price is going up – I think that people are trying to be first to get news out on Twitter and so they’re putting up incorrect information for the sake of expediency

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    Cash

    If it works, it rewards stupidity, but that’s what we are left rooting for, stupidity to succeed.
    ///

    Hey man, just come along with me and root for the Mariners :). Problem solved.

  89. blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    I keep hoping to hear that like Hank Conger is coming in the deal too

  90. blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Tiger #1 is the world again

  91. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    I keep hoping to hear that like Hank Conger is coming in the deal too
    ————-

    Well, Yankees need a first baseman – maybe they’re getting Pujols?

  92. champ809 March 25th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    repost
    ——————————————————————

    champ809 March 25th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    Yeah well the big thing is that Brian has for years talked about developing a farm system but hasn’t done it. He hasn’t been willing to spend on good young international players in a major way or in the draft and his development team (Eppler, Newman, Oppenheimer, Contreras) has been horrible at both identifying talent in the organization and developing that talent.

    I said it earlier, the Yankees used to be great at self scouting – pumping up an average player (Rickey Ledee) and then trading him while still holding onto good prospects. Sure they made mistakes (Drew Henson over Mike Lowell) but they were fewer and farther between than they’ve been under this regime.
    _____________________________________________________________________

    Chip March 25th, 2013 at 12:09 am
    luis,

    Oppenheimer gets a lot of credit for the drafting but they have missed quite badly with recent first round picks.
    ______________________________________________________________________

    The core arguments on both of these points is actually very incorrect.

    Point 1- the farm system was at the bottom of the barrel when Cash basically reworked the thing from the bottom up and it is currently a top 10 system on the verge or in fact would maybe be top 5 right now were it nor for injury to Manban, Campos and a couple of others last season. Certainly is setup to finish the year top 5 with a plethora of impact players.

    Point 1A- The Yanks have spent MILLIONS on international players and elite levels kids over the last few years i.e. Montero, Gary Sanchez, De Paula, Miguel Andujar, Torrens, Avelino and countless others. What they HAVEN”T been willing to do is GAMBLE by signing some of the top CUBAN professional players to MAJOR LEAGUE $$ when in their assessment they’re basically AA caliber players. While I’ve disagreed with this stance in the case of Chapman, Cespedes and maybe Soler ( and after the fact Puig ) it is hard to find fault with this logic being that these players are beyond unknown from an evaluation standpoint.

    Point 2- Since ’06 when the “new regime” came into place the yanks 1st round picks were;

    ’06- Ian Kennedy & Joba Chamberlain…excellent picks at the bottom of the draft kennedy challenged for a CY young in ’11 and is currently the “ace” of the D’backs staff…Joba we all know what happened there. Great picks.

    ’07- Andrew Brackman…showed flashes but ultimately a bust.

    ’08- Gerrit Cole & Jeremy Bleich…Cole is a stud and current ranked top 5 on all prospects lists. Not the Yanks fault that the family is rich and didn’t need the $ and daddy pushed his kid to go to school to mature some. Bleich had tommy john is finally healthy and throwing great right now will start the season in AA.

    ’09- Slade Heathcott…the yanks were setup to take Trout with the 28th pick but the Angels picking 2 spots ahead of us grabbed him and we recovered and took Slade. Injury has slowed his development some but now healthy he is showing that he’s a STUD!!! and maybe in the bigs as early as 2014. Great Pick

    ’10 Cito Culver…with only 1 pick in the top 80 the Yanks reached a lil bit on Cito but loved his glove and makeup and figured with him being a “northeast’ kis his development with the bat would be a little slower as he needed the reps. Now that he’s gone strictly righty with bat looks like he may really show out but has already showed the he will play gold glove caliber D so it remains to be seen how the bat looks as this season progresses. Impact SS is currently THE rarest commodity is the game. Incomplete but a total need pick

    ’11- Dante Bichette…similar to Cito in that he may have been a bit of a reach but most likely would not have been there when the Yanks pick came back around and 3B was a priority in the org at the time. tremendous rookie season topped off with a championship and struggled in his sophomore season which is not uncommon. Will be important to see how he responds to failing for the 1st time in his career but truthfully looks like a player and has the bloodlines obviously. Incomplete

    ’12- Ty Hensley…top 10 talent at the the end of the draft is a steal everytime. Ace body 95-99mph fastball and he’s a puppy. Great Pick

    So to the point considering that we are always bringing up the rrear of the draft when all the “can’t miss kids” are gone they’ve done a tremendous job of spotting and developing 1st round talent to date. Remember this is a real hit or miss business by nature.

  93. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I keep hoping to hear that like Hank Conger is coming in the deal too

    Or the Angels’ third base prospect!!! (dreaming)

  94. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I take Conger in a heartbeat over Stewart.

  95. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    My guess on the opening day first baseman for the Yankees: Either Carlos Pena or Garrett Jones.

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    @jnorris427: Now we have a situation. Austin went in hard at second, required a trainer, stayed in and scored. Now is replaced in RF. #yankees
    ///

    Ouch

  97. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    I don’t think the price is going up – I think that people are trying to be first to get news out on Twitter and so they’re putting up incorrect information for the sake of expediency

    This may be true but the LA beat writers were saying the Angels would be willing to pay all but 10 million of it before the trade even went down!

  98. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I take Conger in a heartbeat over Stewart.
    —————–

    I would take you in a heartbeat over Stewart.

  99. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    I don’t think the price is going up – I think that people are trying to be first to get news out on Twitter and so they’re putting up incorrect information for the sake of expediency

    This may be true but the LA beat writers were saying the Angels would be willing to pay all but 10 million of it before the trade even went down!
    ————–

    The LA beat writers also thought the Angels would get back Austin Romine for Wells.

  100. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    i can see Pena being dealt from a team going nowhere, I don’t how realistic that Pit will deal one of their most potent offensive player in a season of hope to the Yanks. If so, the price will be very steep.

  101. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Please let Austin be okay. He could be up quicker than anyone.

  102. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    My guess on the opening day first baseman for the Yankees: Either Carlos Pena or Garrett Jones.

    I would love Garrett Jones. He hit, what, 27 homers last year. I think he could be a nice piece going forward as a DH/1B/RF (though OF not so great).

  103. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Cashman insists that the 189M payroll didn’t affect any of the decisions he’s made this off season

    —————–

    Hehehehehehehehehehe…..

  104. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    I don’t frame so good Chip. :D

  105. champ809 March 25th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Russo can be a tool…

    How is IPK not a success? won 21 games his 1st full season starting and finished 4th in the CY voting…Cain finished 8th that year.

  106. FiretheUMPIRE March 25th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    If he stayed in he’s fine.

  107. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Hehehehehehehehehehe…..

    Thats such a blatantly untrue statement I just shake my head. Who you foolin’ Cash?

  108. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    I am really now become bummed about this Austin news. To date, I could realistically take the injuries to the org because it had no impacted the pitching (Hughes excluded) and the prospects. But Austin, please be healthy.

  109. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Thanks AAO… I’m going to need to listen to that one later lol.

  110. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    If he stayed in he’s fine.

    That’s what I am hoping!!

  111. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    ’08- Gerrit Cole & Jeremy Bleich…Cole is a stud and current ranked top 5 on all prospects lists. Not the Yanks fault that the family is rich and didn’t need the $ and daddy pushed his kid to go to school to mature some. Bleich had tommy john is finally healthy and throwing great right now will start the season in AA.
    ——————————-
    Champ -

    Actually it is the Yankees fault that they couldn’t sign Cole. There was nothing on the books limiting what they could have offered him and I don’t care how rich the family is, the Yankees are richer. They could have easily topped what Cole got by the Pirates as the number one pick.

  112. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    How is IPK not a success? won 21 games his 1st full season starting and finished 4th in the CY voting…Cain finished 8th that year.

    Because the Yankees traded him away and he credits his success to the Dbacks for changing his motion/altering his mechanics that gave him more fastball velocity.

  113. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    How is IPK not a success? won 21 games his 1st full season starting and finished 4th in the CY voting…Cain finished 8th that year.
    —-
    He is an absolute success Champ, what is not is Cashman’s assessment of him as a pitcher. It’s funny that Cashman evokes IPK’s name after evaluating him as an NL pitcher.

  114. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    I am really now become bummed about this Austin news. To date, I could realistically take the injuries to the org because it had no impacted the pitching (Hughes excluded) and the prospects. But Austin, please be healthy.
    —————-

    You don’t even know what the Austin news is…relax.

  115. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    ’08- Gerrit Cole & Jeremy Bleich…Cole is a stud and current ranked top 5 on all prospects lists. Not the Yanks fault that the family is rich and didn’t need the $ and daddy pushed his kid to go to school to mature some. Bleich had tommy john is finally healthy and throwing great right now will start the season in AA.
    ——————————-
    Champ -

    Actually it is the Yankees fault that they couldn’t sign Cole. There was nothing on the books limiting what they could have offered him and I don’t care how rich the family is, the Yankees are richer. They could have easily topped what Cole got by the Pirates as the number one pick.

    Hey, at least we got David Phelps and Brett Marshall out of the ’08 draft! :)

  116. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Actually it is the Yankees fault that they couldn’t sign Cole. There was nothing on the books limiting what they could have offered him and I don’t care how rich the family is, the Yankees are richer. They could have easily topped what Cole got by the Pirates as the number one pick.

    And they should have. I posit this all the time: What are you willing to pay to get a stephen strasberg, or a bryce harper, or a gerrit cole? If you’re getting them in free agency its 100s of millions. If you’re drafting them its 10s of millions.

    If you draft one of them BEFORE they have the hype, you’re gonna balk at 5 to 7 million? Bonus money doesnt even count against the luxury tax!

  117. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    How is IPK not a success? won 21 games his 1st full season starting and finished 4th in the CY voting…Cain finished 8th that year.

    Because the Yankees traded him away and he credits his success to the Dbacks for changing his motion/altering his mechanics that gave him more fastball velocity—

    ————

    Another sterling moment in pitching development by Nardi Contreras.

  118. blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    “Cashman insists that the 189M payroll didn’t affect any of the decisions he’s made this off season”

    See this is what ticks me off about all this stuff…..we aren’t idiots ….

  119. FiretheUMPIRE March 25th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Garrett Jones is not going to be a cheap addie

  120. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Jerk, I am not sure Cole would have ‘not’ gone to college even with Harper money. That is the unknown. Should the Yanks offer that, sure.

  121. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Actually it is the Yankees fault that they couldn’t sign Cole. There was nothing on the books limiting what they could have offered him and I don’t care how rich the family is, the Yankees are richer. They could have easily topped what Cole got by the Pirates as the number one pick.

    And they should have. I posit this all the time: What are you willing to pay to get a stephen strasberg, or a bryce harper, or a gerrit cole? If you’re getting them in free agency its 100s of millions. If you’re drafting them its 10s of millions.

    If you draft one of them BEFORE they have the hype, you’re gonna balk at 5 to 7 million? Bonus money doesnt even count against the luxury tax!
    ————

    For years I shook my head that the Yankees would rather give a mega contract to Kyle Farnsworth but didn’t want to give out bonuses in the draft or to international amateurs because they didn’t want other teams to think they were just trying to outspend everyone.

  122. champ809 March 25th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    The point Chip is it wasn’t about the coin the father is a multimillionaire and was sending his son to college no matter what.

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    How is IPK not a success? won 21 games his 1st full season starting and finished 4th in the CY voting…Cain finished 8th that year.
    —-
    He is an absolute success Champ, what is not is Cashman’s assessment of him as a pitcher. It’s funny that Cashman evokes IPK’s name after evaluating him as an NL pitcher.
    ///

    Look Cashman is not a good evaluator, and he also lacks class.

    No one publically implies that a player they traded, a player who is under consideration for the Cy Young in his league, no less, is incapable of pitching in the “better” league and that his success isn’t legitimate.

    He could have said ‘good for him, we drafted him, we liked him, and we’re happy for him. We really wanted Granderson and we knew we’d have to give some quality in exchange to acquire him.”

  124. yankeefeminista March 25th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Hopefully, not related to injury last year when Austin was suddenly shut down after ELCS Game 3. They never did said which ankle that one was…

  125. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Jerk, I am not sure Cole would have ‘not’ gone to college even with Harper money. That is the unknown. Should the Yanks offer that, sure.

    The problem is that the Yankees have not spent in the draft or IFA. They have spent some money, and certainly offered some big bonuses at times, but they are rarely in the top of the list in bonus money in either category. And Cole was before the pool limitations were implemented so they had the opportunity.

    They had their number on Cole, which I think was 3 million. Why not double it? Why not quadruple it? Why not quintuple it? The Yankees have such a hard time getting elite talent into their system because of where they draft, they should be going all out in the areas they can spend to crush every other team!

  126. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Cashman is not a good evaluator, and he also lacks class.
    —–
    I am 100 percent in agreement with that JAP.

  127. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    The Yankees offered Andrew Brackman more money than they offered Gerrit Cole.

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    “Cashman insists that the 189M payroll didn’t affect any of the decisions he’s made this off season”

    See this is what ticks me off about all this stuff…..we aren’t idiots ….
    ///

    No, but people who underestimate their customers can’t be very savvy, can they.

  129. champ809 March 25th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    How is IPK not a success? won 21 games his 1st full season starting and finished 4th in the CY voting…Cain finished 8th that year.

    Because the Yankees traded him away and he credits his success to the Dbacks for changing his motion/altering his mechanics that gave him more fastball velocity—

    ————

    Another sterling moment in pitching development by Nardi Contreras.

    ————-
    This is crap. IPK spent 1 season in our system and he was in the majors in Sept. of that same year.
    He started off slowly the next season was demoted and then spent 3 months out of the game with an anuerysym. Came back from that pitched well and was traded to the D’backs. he’s still throwing the same 90-92 as always.

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Cashmoney, yet there isn’t so much as a whiff out there that this guy’s on the hot seat. Strange.

  131. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    blake March 25th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    “Cashman insists that the 189M payroll didn’t affect any of the decisions he’s made this off season”

    See this is what ticks me off about all this stuff…..we aren’t idiots ….

    —————

    Nope, the Yankees know everything and we’re only privy to certain facts and therefore we cannot make any sound assessments about any of their decisions. Clearly.

  132. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    The point Chip is it wasn’t about the coin the father is a multimillionaire and was sending his son to college no matter what.

    The Yankees are the biggest franchise in the sport and Cole is a Yankee fan. You put down a bigger bonus and tell him, this is your chance to be a Yankee, we’re going to keep winning so you won’t get drafted by us in 2 years, so take the shot now.

    You let them pull some negotiating tactic and just pull out because it got a little rough? The Yankees should be able to handle some dad in a negotiation.

  133. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Another kicker around here is when Jonathan Gray goes in the first 10 picks in June. The Yankees did not sign him a few years ago after drafting him in the 10th round. But then again, these things happen. I remember the draft of Mark Prior, and how there were a ton of stories about how the Yanks did not sign him out of HS. But then I remember no one signed Strasburg coming out of HS. You just never know with the draft, but I am excited the Yanks have three picks in the first 33 or 34 (not sure how the Loshe signing impacts things).

    I personally would like to see the Yanks get Marco Gonzales from Gonzaga. He does not throw fast, but he is a lefty who already has good command and breaking pitches. I am thinking Nuno but better. There are also some intersting HS lefties.

  134. Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I am secretly hoping that someone kidnap that little nerd, JAP! but jokes aside, I think Hal don’t know jack about baseball unless the bottom line is really hurting, Cashman will be here.

  135. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    “Cashman insists that the 189M payroll didn’t affect any of the decisions he’s made this off season”

    And his wife is Morgan Fairchild. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

  136. jacksquat March 25th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    “Yeah, because normally organizations have their minor leagues stuffed with save the season type talent ready to go in case of emergency.”

    Squat!

    Way to overdraw a point into meaninglessness. They don’t have anyone. No one. Nothing. Got it/

    NJ!

    The point being, orgs don’t often have even one season changer. Super prospects are rare, and when a team has one, they plan for him to start so he’s not even in a back up situation.

    We will/could have some contribution this year from younger guys who came up through the org, even if they aren’t stars. We have some on the way who are looking pretty good also.

  137. champ809 March 25th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    The Yanks offered Gerrit Cole over $6mil to sign…His dad insisted that his son go to school because he was too immature to be in an unstructured environment @ 18 years old. Right or wrong it was his decision.

  138. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    NJ!

    The point being, orgs don’t often have even one season changer. Super prospects are rare, and when a team has one, they plan for him to start so he’s not even in a back up situation.

    We will/could have some contribution this year from younger guys who came up through the org, even if they aren’t stars. We have some on the way who are looking pretty good also.
    __

    What a top young player does is give you a chance, or at least some hope. They have no one, and that’s on Cashman.

  139. champ809 March 25th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Jerkface

    That’s exactly what they did but in this case the father was a millionaire who made the decision for his son.

    If this were the typical hardworking, middleclass family who maybe were wowed by the $ or left the decision up to their kid to decide his future Gerrit would most likely be slotting in behind CC to start the season.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Cashmoney March 25th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
    I am secretly hoping that someone kidnap that little nerd, JAP! but jokes aside, I think Hal don’t know jack about baseball unless the bottom line is really hurting, Cashman will be here.
    ///

    That’s what it would take, since you are right, IMO, that Hal is completely lacking in the tools to evaluate his bad evaluator.

  141. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    “That’s what it would take, since you are right, IMO, that Hal is completely lacking in the tools to evaluate his bad evaluator.”

    He relies on incompetent people.

  142. Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    The Yanks offered Gerrit Cole over $6mil to sign

    Not seeing this number anywhere:

    “And from a financial standpoint, he is projected to go higher in the 2011 draft, possibly in the top three picks. A major league general manager estimated Cole could be in line for a signing bonus of at least $8 million, a significant hike from the $3 million the Yankees might have paid him.”

    ” The Yankees were believed to have been willing to offer upwards of $4 million. But there never was any negotiation, as Cole’s father wasn’t interested.”

  143. LGY March 25th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    There are/were potentially very important opportunity costs in allocating $13m to what is likely a non or minimally productive asset like Wells. To say it is a minor move overlooks what else the money could have been or could be spent on.

    ——————–

    Beltran costs $13 million.

    —————-

    Seriously depressing. They desperately needed a hitter like Beltran last year and looks like it will be the same this year.

  144. blake March 25th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    @jnorris427: It’s definitely left foot/ankle for Austin. The problem area is wrapped now. #yankees

  145. jacksquat March 25th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Jerkface March 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    @JonHeymanCBS 1m

    final score: #yankees will pay betw $13M and $14M of wells thru ’14, closer to $14M. #angels

    The price keeps going up, what is Cash negotiating??

    Could be nothing, just the usual inaccurate reporting until the deal is officially announced.

  146. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Youk + Wells + Ichiro = $30+ million.

    But there are people on here that are certain this club can fill out half a roster with $50 million.

  147. LGY March 25th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    The whole point of getting under $189M is for Hal to save money. I mean, there is no other benefit except saving money.

    To prioritize that goal over winning the past two years with their refusal to sign multi-year deals or target international talent like Darvish and Cespedes and then spend $14 million on Vernon Wells just defies logic.

    How can you be so driven be profit margins but at the same time be willing to spend that kind of money on a below replacement level player?

    If there is plan here I’m not seeing it.

  148. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    blake March 25th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    @jnorris427: It’s definitely left foot/ankle for Austin. The problem area is wrapped now. #yankees

    ——————–

    My fingers are in my ears and I’m all like ‘lalalalalalalalala.. I can’t hear you!!… lalalalalalalala’

  149. UnKnown March 25th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    http://twitter.yfrog.com/n9rykp

    Another flashy graph to show just how “feared” Wells should be. :roll:

    “If it works, it rewards stupidity, but that’s what we are left rooting for, stupidity to succeed.”

    Well said Rich.

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Man that is just not fair re Austin.

    This kid is about to really shine, and this happens. So much for him being a late-season option for this moribund offense. Hope it isn’t season killing for him.

  151. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    @jnorris427: It’s definitely left foot/ankle for Austin. The problem area is wrapped now. #yankees

    Super ugh. Unfortunate flashbacks to David Adams and Ravel Santana floating in my head. This one is a crusher to me.

  152. blake March 25th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    “To prioritize that goal over winning the past two years with their refusal to sign multi-year deals or target international talent like Darvish and Cespedes and then spend $14 million on Vernon Wells just defies logic.”

    Yea trying to figure that one will make your head hurt

  153. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Josh Norris?@jnorris4271m
    Turley finishes the day with 7 Ks.

    Josh Norris?@jnorris42712m
    Flores collects his third hit of the afternoon, a single into LCF.

    Yeah, silver linings for today I guess :)

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    What’s to figure out. They’re mediocre baseball people at best and interested in their bottom line only.

    My hope is, even if it’s just to meet their goal for a blissfully lean payroll, that they don’t trade any real blue chip prospects, and that we have some hope of a decent young nucleus in a couple-three seasons.

    The idea advanced here that some “hidden” piece of forward-thinking genius will reveal itself over time, is laughable.

  155. austinmac March 25th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Please not another broken ankle. Slide earlier fellows. I hope Norris can find out if he is getting x-rays etc.

    Cashman saying the 2014 cap didn’t affect his off season is about the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Are you really expecting anyone to believe that after all the talk of it by Hal this winter? Only signing people to one year contracts is simply coincidental? Please.

  156. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    If there is plan here I’m not seeing it.

    —————

    Oh it’s obviously there. The way you know that the plan is working is when there is just so much stealthiness going on that people have no idea what you’re doing.

  157. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Carly,

    You seem rather obsessed with prospects, always welcome. :D

    Do you get out to any of the team’s home miL parks or see them on the road?

  158. champ809 March 25th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    The yanks have shied away from the risk of signing players who’ve never played major league baseball to contracts at the near top of the major league pay scale. Can’t blame them although I have disagreed on some occasions.

    I proposed signing Cespedes and trading Swisher last offseason. Many on here argued against it when it became known that it would take over 30MM.

    I proposed signing Chapman when many argued that 30MM was too much and that he’d just be a RP…sidenote It’s amazing that a team would let Dusty Baker have any input at all at this point as to the development of a pitcher. Chapman should be starting but Jocketty got backed into a spot where the controversy could undermine a Championship caliber club and decided to nip it in the bud.

    But to be fair the $ handed out to Soler and Puig were huge gambles that although they may work out, and in the case of Puig the kid looks like a cuban Bo Jackson, if they flameout then it’s different commentary.

  159. UnKnown March 25th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    “Thats such a blatantly untrue statement I just shake my head. Who you foolin’ Cash?”

    Um, there are some candidates on this blog alone that are buying all of it and probably want even more crap feed to them that they can lap up.

    As for passing on Cespedes, don’t you guys remember their wasn’t a position open for him to play. But now all of a sudden with a crowded OF I guess it makes sense to go get Wells.

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    ——————–

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  162. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

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    ————–

    Oh god.. why.

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  166. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

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  167. Against All Odds March 25th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

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    How is IPK not a success? won 21 games his 1st full season starting and finished 4th in the CY voting…Cain finished 8th that year.

    —————————–

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  168. Rich in NJ March 25th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    “One slight problem is the pitchers didn’t happen and the catchers either didn’t happen or were traded. Now, they are left with expensive pitching an no offense. It turns out offensively good players are difficult to acquire.”

    And to this point, no accountability for the lack of fruition.

  169. Against All Odds March 25th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    Thanks AAO… I’m going to need to listen to that one later lol.

    —————————

    You’re Shame I just wish I could find the entire interview. Based on what ppl have said Cash got a little heated when the farm was brought up.

  170. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    I think Cash either knows he’s a lame duck or that he’s got full job security.. it has to be one or the other.

    Good news for Austin.

  171. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    AAO – I’m sure he did.

    It sounds like Russo actually did his homework for this interview, but I could be wrong. I wonder if he misses relevance.

  172. Against All Odds March 25th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

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    The Yankees offered Andrew Brackman more money than they offered Gerrit Cole.

    ———————

    Before he(Brackman) got hurt the debate was who was going to go one him or Price. – Cashman. That says it all

  173. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    Carly,

    You seem rather obsessed with prospects, always welcome.

    Do you get out to any of the team’s home miL parks or see them on the road?

    Sadly not as much as I would like. I have been to games in Trenton (when visiting family in New York) and Tampa. I would love to get to Trenton this year :) Most of my watching comes from milb.com tv, and that depends on where the camera is placed!! I am loving the josh norris youtube links though!!

    This Luis Servano (sp?) guy though is really interesting and has me excited for another wave.

    I am also super excited for the draft in June because of three picks. I am following the college season a bit more this season so I will post little things from time to time. I have a subsription to Baseball America and ESPN insider (Keith Law and their gang do a nice job with the amateur draft watch). It is not a great draft, but I do not think it is as bad as first led to believe.

  174. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

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  175. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    I think Cash either knows he’s a lame duck

    I go back and forth on this, but I talked to my Dad about it (he is very much anti-Cashman right now) and I think I am coming around to his opinion. Sometimes you need new blood/approach as things become stale and complacent. My Dad calls Cashman’s approach the “Small approach,” meaning he is always in love with the Aaron Small/Shawn Chacon types in trying to find the gem in the tossed out garbage. He still complains about Josh Phelps being left on the roster for too long as an example of the “Small approach.”

    I think I posted a blurb about Jim Bowden thinking highly of one of Theo’s Lt’s (not the one that came from the Padres). Of course, I would like to see Jon Daniels come on home to New York (even though I think he grew up a Mets fan).

  176. Against All Odds March 25th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
    AAO – I’m sure he did.

    It sounds like Russo actually did his homework for this interview, but I could be wrong. I wonder if he misses relevance.

    ————————–

    I’m sure he misses being apart of a team and I know Mike misses him. It really depends on the the week or month. Some months they like being solo but other months you can tell they miss what they had.

  177. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    I think Cash either knows he’s a lame duck or that he’s got full job security.. it has to be one or the other.
    ///

    It’s probably the other, but even if he’s a lame duck, I take little solace in that, because Eppler is probably the heir apparent, and he’s already got his fingerprints all over one key decision that started the dominoes falling.

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    I am also super excited for the draft in June because of three picks. I am following the college season a bit more this season so I will post little things from time to time. I have a subsription to Baseball America and ESPN insider (Keith Law and their gang do a nice job with the amateur draft watch). It is not a great draft, but I do not think it is as bad as first led to believe.
    ///

    Carly, thanks for your reply. No sub to Pinstripes Plus? :D

  179. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Before he(Brackman) got hurt the debate was who was going to go one him or Price. – Cashman. That says it all

    If I remember the 07 draft correctly, that was painful to watch, because Porcello was dropping in the 1st round due to signability issues, and I was hoping the Yanks would take him. Of course, the Tigers picked him one spot ahead of the Yanks. However, reading subsequent comments from Oppenheimer, I am pretty sure now that if Porcello was there for the Yanks, they still would have taken Brackman. I file Brackman in the Humberto Sanchez file for the franchise, back when they were taking fliers on pitchers who needed surgery with the hopes of getting a talent that was devalued at the time.

  180. comet March 25th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    I’ve missed the Wells deal, is it a done deal??? If so what did the Yankees give up in return?

    TIA

  181. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Hi comet,

    They gave up nothing.

    For nothing.

  182. Carly March 25th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    I am also super excited for the draft in June because of three picks. I am following the college season a bit more this season so I will post little things from time to time. I have a subsription to Baseball America and ESPN insider (Keith Law and their gang do a nice job with the amateur draft watch). It is not a great draft, but I do not think it is as bad as first led to believe.
    ///

    Carly, thanks for your reply. No sub to Pinstripes Plus?

    Oh yeah – them too! I love Patrick’s updates and all!! I am finally working up the nerve to replying/posts on that message board (and the same here as well)!!

  183. blake March 25th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    @DannyKnoblerCBS: Rod Barajas released by Diamondbacks, team announces.

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Carly, are you the person who has been posting your interviews on PSP?

    Or are you the person from Texas? :)

  185. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    blake March 25th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    @DannyKnoblerCBS: Rod Barajas released by Diamondbacks, team announces.
    ////

    Crap.

  186. Against All Odds March 25th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Carly March 25th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Before he(Brackman) got hurt the debate was who was going to go one him or Price. – Cashman. That says it all

    If I remember the 07 draft correctly, that was painful to watch, because Porcello was dropping in the 1st round due to signability issues, and I was hoping the Yanks would take him. Of course, the Tigers picked him one spot ahead of the Yanks. However, reading subsequent comments from Oppenheimer, I am pretty sure now that if Porcello was there for the Yanks, they still would have taken Brackman. I file Brackman in the Humberto Sanchez file for the franchise, back when they were taking fliers on pitchers who needed surgery with the hopes of getting a talent that was devalued at the time.

    ——————–

    Good point about Sanchez and Brackman being in the same category.

  187. Tyler March 25th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

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    @darrenrovell: Consumer loyalty research firm BrandKeys lists top 5 loyal MLB fan bases: 1. Yanks, 2. Phillies, 3. Giants, 4. Cards, 5. Braves

    The are going to test that theory apparently
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    the Braves are the 5th most loyal fanbase in baseball?

  188. Tyler March 25th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
    blake March 25th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    @DannyKnoblerCBS: Rod Barajas released by Diamondbacks, team announces.
    ////

    Crap.
    ——————————————————-

    LOL I think it’s funny how everytime a terrible veteran player is released the first thoughts are that the Yanks are going to pick them up. I feel the same way. Hope Barajas likes pinstripes haha.

  189. J. Alfred Prufrock March 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Tyler, .208/238/343. Pitch framin’ baby.

  190. blake March 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

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    JF should get credited for this….

    If they really won’t have to pay anything in 2014 or even get a credit then fine I guess…,but they could have better spent this money for this year …..i

  191. Against All Odds March 25th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

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  192. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

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    @AndrewMarchand: Wells’ contract will help $189M goal http://t.co/H3YRFNdFX8

    JF should get credited for this….

    ————–

    Lol, it’s really amazing. “A source” is spreading!

    The Daily New first reported the finances… after getting it completely wrong at first and relying on lowly, know nothing blog posters to correct them!

  193. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Speaking of old players who probably have nothing left:

    Rod Barajas was just released by Arizona – he would clearly be an upgrade over “Stewie” and give the Yankees some extra RH power…even though he stinks.

  194. blake March 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    I’m sure Marshand and Feinstein confirmed what JF said with “sources ” ( with MLB or the Yankees) ….but they woukd have never even known to ask if JF hadnt corrected them

  195. Chip March 25th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    blake March 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: Wells’ contract will help $189M goal http://t.co/H3YRFNdFX8

    JF should get credited for this….

    If they really won’t have to pay anything in 2014 or even get a credit then fine I guess…,but they could have better spent this money for this year …..i
    ————

    I agree with both points but I don’t think they would have had this money to spend if not for Tex getting hurt in the WBC.

    Hey, any chance we could retroactively get Alex on Team USA?

  196. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    I agree with both points but I don’t think they would have had this money to spend if not for Tex getting hurt in the WBC.

    ——————

    Really? I’m sure the WBC money helps in real dollars but there’s no way the actual payroll is different, is it?

  197. Shame Spencer March 25th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

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