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Yankees facing serious 40-man roster crunch

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 26, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ronnier Mustelier. Ben Francisco. Juan Rivera. Jayson Nix. Vidal Nuno. Jim Miller.

In theory, there are enough bench spots open, and enough players heading to the disabled list, for the Yankees to carry all six of those guys on Opening Day. And all six have done enough to be worth Opening Day consideration.

But not one of those players is on the 40-man roster, and that’s becoming a real problem for the Yankees.

Oe 40-man spot can be easily opened — Cesar Cabral going on the 60-day disabled list — but every other roster spot belongs to a player the Yankees would like to keep. They don’t want to put either Curtis Granderson or Mark Teixeira on the 60-day — don’t want to lock themselves into losing either player for two months — and they aren’t willing to put Manny Banuelos on the 60-day because they don’t want to start his big league clock.

As it stands, the Yankees seem locked into carrying Nix, plus at least one of Mustelier and Rivera. Nuno, also, has emerged as a strong roster candidate who could make up for both Clay Rapada (as a lefty) and Phil Hughes (as a long man). But how do the Yankees find room on the 40-man for all the pieces they might want? It’s not going to be easy, and that might help the chances of a guy like Melky Mesa or Cody Eppley.

These are the players currently on the 40-man roster.

Presumably on the Opening Day roster (18)
David Aardsma, Joba Chamberlain, Hiroki Kuroda, Boone Logan, Ivan Nova, Andy Pettitte, David Phelps, Mariano Rivera, Dave Robertson, CC Sabathia, Francisco Cervelli, Chris Stewart, Robinson Cano, Eduardo Nunez, Kevin Youkilis, Brett Gardner, Ichiro Suzuki, Travis Hafner

Presumably heading to the 15-day disabled list (5)
Phil Hughes, Clay Rapada, Derek Jeter, Mark Teixeira, Curtis Granderson

Minor league prospects (13)
Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Brett Marshall, Jose Ramirez, Francisco Rondon, Nik Turley, Adam Warren, Austin Romine, David Adams, Corban Joseph, Zoilo Almonte, Ramon Flores, Melky Mesa

Experienced players competing for big league jobs (3)
Cody Eppley, Shawn Kelley, Brennan Boesch

Players who can be easily added to the 60-day disabled list (1)
Cesar Cabral (Alex Rodriguez and Michael Pineda are already there)

If the Vernon Wells trade involves a player on the 40-man, then it’s a 1-for-1 swap in terms of roster spots. If not, then Cabral can go on the 60-day to make room for Wells, and the Yankees will be back to a full roster with no easy way to open a spot.

Just guessing here, but…

• The Yankees could carry either Eppley or Kelley, then DFA the other to make room for Nuno. An alternative would be to send Nuno to Triple-A — especially if that roster spot is going to Hughes after only four games anyway — and fill the long relief hole with either Warren or Marshall.

• Boesch could be an all-or-nothing guy at this point. If he’s not going to break camp with the Yankees, it might make sense to DFA him to make room for Rivera (or Francisco, or Mustelier, or Nix). In terms of a pecking order, who would you rather DFA Boesch or one of Joseph, Mesa and Almonte?

• Manny Banuelos, Ramon Flores, Austin Romine, Jose Ramirez and Brett Marshall are — in my opinion — the five safest minor leaguers on the 40-man roster. The next five? I’ll go with David Adams, Dellin Betances, Nik Turley, Zoilo Almonte and maybe Francisco Rondon. Melky Mesa’s strikeouts and Corban Joseph’s defense make me think — again, totally guessing here — that they’re the minor leaguers most at risk of a cross-your-fingers DFA (and I’d be stunned if they weren’t claimed).

It’s going to be a tight fit, and for the Yankees to keep all the guys they might need, they might have to lose a guy they really want.

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293 Responses to “Yankees facing serious 40-man roster crunch”

  1. LGY March 26th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    A.J. Pierzynski c
    1 years/$7.5M (2013)

    2012: 118 OPS+

  2. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    And I so trust them to make the right decisions…

  3. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    blake March 26th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    The most hilarious thing about all this is that they keep saying that the 189 soft cap in 2014 isn’t affecting their decision making…..

    Doing that is one thing….,treating the fans like they are idiots is another….everybody knows what they are up to

    ———————

    Word.

    It’s been over 24 hours and I’m still trying to figure out what precise need Wells fills for $13 million.

  4. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    LGY March 26th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    A.J. Pierzynski c
    1 years/$7.5M (2013)

    2012: 118 OPS+

    —————

    Why you gotta play us like that man…

  5. blake March 26th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    They don’t like AJP because he can hit and can’t frame pitches like Stewie

  6. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Better not cut any of the MiLB players. If you want to make a deal, that is another story… But again, I don’t trust our dealing lately. I don’t trust much of what we do…

    With Brewers signing Lohse and forfeiting their #17 pick, we move up a slot in the draft. We better make some tracks with all the picks. Only good news so far about 2013.

  7. astrocityfan March 26th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    I still say there is no way Tex is ready before May. Move him to the 60 day to free up a spot. After that i just throw up my hands. This roster is a mess.

  8. blake March 26th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Sucks that they are continually in this 40 man crunch and end up giving away young players for nothing to accommodate the re-treads they feel compelled to sign.

    They lost Dickerson and Maxwell last year why?

  9. Yankee Trader March 26th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Fast forward to the 2013 offseason. The Braves or Nats have just won the WS over the Tigers. The Yankees have found out Kuroda and Pettitte are retiring along with the greatest closer of all time. The Yankees have just finished their season with no Tex the entire season and ARod unable to stay healthy after multiple stints on DL. Cano’s numbers are down, only because he has been pitched around the entire season. The Yankees miss the postseason.

    Cano thru his agent declares FA. Does anyone really think that this future HOF’er with a Boras created 300 page dossier ready to hand out to interested teams, won’t be going to a team that can surround him with talent?

  10. blake March 26th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    They absolutely should move Tex to the 60 day

  11. blake March 26th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    @jnorris427: Indeed, Tyler Austin out of the lineup this afternoon. Got treatment, will give his ankle a day.

  12. astrocityfan March 26th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    How would the rangers feel about a Phelps, Mesa, Joseph package for Olt? Or Warren, Mesa, Joseph? Not enough? id rather keep Phelps but really like Olt. That would also help the roster crunch without loasing something for nothing.

  13. Rich in NJ March 26th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    It would be so much fun to see this team stop acquiring veteran has beens and sign and develop players who are still or will be good.

  14. sunny615 March 26th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    They have them. All in A or AA ball.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    In terms of a pecking order, who would you rather DFA Boesch or one of Joseph, Mesa and Almonte?
    ///

    That’s easy: Boesch.

    I don’t care that Joseph is an extremely limited defender, he’s an infinitely better LHH than Boesch and has managed a plus-800 OPS the last three seasons. He could hit 20 HR in the pretty easily in the Bronx and also hit for average. He can be a piece to help boost a trade package or can be a legit bench option.

    Mesa is a shutdown defender who can play CF brilliantly and who has a cannon arm.

    Almonte is a switch hitter who can hit doubles all day and who has effortless power that’s just going to increase as he matures as a hitter. He has a good arm, too, and can probably learn to play an adequate enough RF.

  16. sunny615 March 26th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    I mean outside of the amazing 1st round draft choice Cito Culver …

  17. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    we all know what will happen here

    Thoughts:

    1. Why the hell wont they move Tex to the 60 day? He is basically out until June anyway. (I understand granderson, he may be back sooner, but tex is toast until june)

    2. DFA Eppley AND Rapada. I cannot believe they insist on holding a spot for a lefty specialist, when they have Nuno and Logan and eventually Cabral.

    3. Get rid of Boesch, or DFA him and let him go to waivers. If Wells is going to play everyday, there is no need for Boesch. Just keep Rivera since he can play 1B and OF, and when he fails, release him and bring up Mesa or Almonte.

    4. Can’t lose CoJo or Adams, just in case Cano leaves, though does anyone think they will trust a prospect to start any position in 2014? We will get more older crap. Maybe Orlando Cabrera can play 2b next year (EYEROLL)

    5. Could release Warren, or trade him. Lets be real, he is NEVER going to be a starter for us. He can long relief while hughes is out, but then Nuno is headed back to AAA (where he likely will be anyway).

    6. It is ridiculous the 40 man was not being considered when Cashman started filling our team with other rejects. Another example of no plan. BEcause of this we cant even field the best team possible, because of decisions that will have to be made to save the 40 man roster.

  18. Rich in NJ March 26th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    I would keep Boesch over Rivera or Wells.

  19. sunny615 March 26th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    it was said that Cashman reads everything (including this blog)… if that’s the case…

    Cashman – get your head out of your @$$ and nix the Vernon Wells deal you putz.

  20. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    blake March 26th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    They absolutely should move Tex to the 60 day

    ——————-

    They’ve made this mistake several times in the last 2-3 years.

  21. Yankee Trader March 26th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    I agree on Teixeira. It’s unlikely he’ll be ready before June 1st. Still feel he’ll have issues with the torn tendon sheath in his right wrist and will need surgery.

    Aardsma still doesn’t look ready to be counted on to contribute out of the bullpen. What do you do with him?

  22. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    YT, could look to trade Aardsma and bring on Kelley.
    I think they will keep Aardsma.

    The management of our roster is atrocious and we lose real talent every year because of it.
    If we had Justin Maxwell instead of Andruw Jones, we wouldn’t have needed to bring on Wells, Boesch, Francisco, Rivera, etc….

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Rich in NJ March 26th, 2013 at 9:11 am
    I would keep Boesch over Rivera or Wells.
    ///

    Sure, so would I. But not over those other guys. Boesch can’t field, though, and I would hope he wouldn’t be the excuse for not bringing up, say, Tyler Austin if he were ready to assume RF.

    The way things are going, they’d trade Austin and say that they had no place to play him because of Boesch. Nothing is too far fetched beyond reason when it comes to this group.

  24. Rich in NJ March 26th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    The worst writer in NY, George King, likes the Wells trade, which is a notorious contrary indicator.

  25. sunny615 March 26th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    I think they’re just in wait and see mode for a while. If it becomes evident that Tex is definitely going to need more time to heal properly, they can always backdate it later.

  26. Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    astrocityfan March 26th, 2013 at 9:06 am
    How would the rangers feel about a Phelps, Mesa, Joseph package for Olt? Or Warren, Mesa, Joseph? Not enough? id rather keep Phelps but really like Olt. That would also help the roster crunch without loasing something for nothing.

    _________________________________

    Rangers would laugh at that offer. Would have to include one of Austin/Heathcott/Williams in that deal plus Phelps/Nova and another prospect

  27. Rich in NJ March 26th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    JAP

    Sure, but I am reluctant to offer an opinion about what I think is a false choice.

  28. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    treating the fans like they are idiots is another….everybody knows what they are up to

    ———-

    Not everyone you would be surprised how manypplbuy into it. Go to other blogs and you’ll see ” The contracts are handcuffing the franchise, they just want to reset the tax and that’s the reason they are doing this, etc”

  29. Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Aardsma hit 94 on Sunday a couple of times. Thats the hardest he’s thrown all Spring. I think he’s finally coming around. I think they keep him. Possibly Kelley too, though he’s been knocked around the last couple of outings after a strong start.

  30. Yankee Trader March 26th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    ac1-

    Your suggestions make sense to me.

  31. blake March 26th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    If you’re a Yankee prospect right now then how do you feel? Wonder how it affects these kids to realize that when it comes down to it Vernon Wells is always going to keep you from getting a shot

  32. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    I think they’re just in wait and see mode for a while. If it becomes evident that Tex is definitely going to need more time to heal properly, they can always backdate it later.
    ___

    But by then, the damage to our roster will be done and someone like Mesa will be DFA’d.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Rich, I agree that there are other ways to cut some grizzle.

  34. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    I suppose we need to wait until Cali wakes up to get the official deal for Wells? I’m still very curious to see how the break down the money and if any other players are on the move.

  35. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    It is always great to hear Jim Bowden on MLB radio say “The Yankees are in the biggest rebuilding mode since the 1970s. The Yankees are the Yankees anymore. They are ordinary.”

    I wish I could criticize his opinion. It is very accurate. The only ones not seeing that are we fans who keep saying it can’t be true. Surely, they have a plan.

    The plan is to sign players who have declined while not protecting possibly helpful players. Yes, that is our front office. Always thinking ahead.

  36. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    If you’re a Yankee prospect right now then how do you feel? Wonder how it affects these kids to realize that when it comes down to it Vernon Wells is always going to keep you from getting a shot
    ____

    Pretty dejected. This once used to be an org anyone would be excited to play for. Now we trade every top talent we have once they are on the cusp of making it to the team: A-Jax, Montero….

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    No one is more frustrated with Mesa than I am, but as I’ve come to accept his shortcomings, I do think he has value as just a world-beating defender. They’re so into this “run saving” stuff (beyond what I would say is its proper place in the balance of “winning” baseball), they may be reluctant to part with Mesa. If he could ever find a way to get on base, like walk, he’s a major base stealing threat.

  38. Rich in NJ March 26th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    The Yankees are ordinary, but to this point, the rebuilding part is rhetorical.

  39. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Could this years highlight of the season be the ‘Mo Farewell Tour’ ?

  40. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    “They are ordinary.”

    Ugh.. makes me sad :(

  41. Yankee Trader March 26th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Doesn’t Juan Rivera have an opt out today is he’s not told he’s making the opening day roster?

  42. blake March 26th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    @mikeaxisa: NYY until noon today to either release Juan Rivera, pay him a $100k retention bonus, or add him to the 40-man. Betting on the $100k.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    It is always great to hear Jim Bowden on MLB radio say “The Yankees are in the biggest rebuilding mode since the 1970s. The Yankees are the Yankees anymore. They are ordinary.”

    I wish I could criticize his opinion. It is very accurate. The only ones not seeing that are we fans who keep saying it can’t be true. Surely, they have a plan.
    ///

    What is so intolerable is that they willfully caused this state of affairs.

    We could have had a robust, youth-infused, dangerous lineup to go with the deep pitching.

    We should be entertaining a real shot at another WS title – not crawling towards a WC spot.

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    “They are ordinary.”

    Ugh.. makes me sad
    ///

    Makes me furious

  45. Rich in NJ March 26th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Juan Rivera is now the model Yankee: older, best days behind him, and relatively cheap.

  46. Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    If you’re a Yankee prospect right now then how do you feel? Wonder how it affects these kids to realize that when it comes down to it Vernon Wells is always going to keep you from getting a shot
    ____

    Pretty dejected. This once used to be an org anyone would be excited to play for. Now we trade every top talent we have once they are on the cusp of making it to the team: A-Jax, Montero….

    _______________________________________________

    If Mesa or ALmonte had shown more this Spring than maybe they would have been given a shot and the Yankees wouldn’t have made such a deal as the Wells trade. Neither one stood out this Spring, and they top guys like Heathcott, FLores and Austin aren’t quite ready. Don’t see how they should feel dejected.

  47. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    And the fact they are still looking to add another piece for 1b like Overbay and clutter the 40 man even more shows that there is no consideration in what is actually being done. They have the easiest solution, to move Youkilis to 1b, where he was very good for the Sox.
    Nope, want to keep him at 3rd and add risk of injury to what is now a key piece of our team, and bring on another crappy player that was released by his own team FOR A REASON!

  48. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    If Mesa or ALmonte had shown more this Spring than maybe they would have been given a shot and the Yankees wouldn’t have made such a deal as the Wells trade. Neither one stood out this Spring, and they top guys like Heathcott, FLores and Austin aren’t quite ready. Don’t see how they should feel dejected.
    _______________

    I agree about Mesa and Almonte but what about Mustelier?
    What about the guys who may lose their roster spot in order to get these crappy retreads onto the 40?

  49. Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    The only one who has a legitimate gripe if he doesn’t make it is Mustiellier. He has shown that he deserves a chance. I still think he has a good chance to make the team with Jeter out, unless they pick up Overbay.

  50. Rich in NJ March 26th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I don’t think Mesa or Almonte have anything to do with the Wells fiasco. If they had better ST, people would have written it off as meaningless ST stats. The Wells trade is a panic move caused by the injuries to veterans.

  51. Yankee Trader March 26th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Thanks Blake.

    The Angels minor league system has 3rd Baseman Kaleb Cowart and little else in the way of talent according to John Sickels. Hopefully the Yankees aren’t sending the Angels anything of value.

    Rating the Angels farm:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com.....s-for-2013

  52. Bronx Jeers March 26th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    If Mustellier can’t get a spot on this roster I hope they trade him to a team that can use him. At this point and with this team, I can honestly say that seeing Mustellier get paid is a big concern of mine.

    I think I’m just a few steps away from joining the Hitmam over on the Mets blog. :wink:

  53. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    YT, sside from Cowart, the Angels don’t have much in their farm system, and gave up a lot of that farm for Greinke. They are in need of mostly everything prospect-wise except a 3B.

  54. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    *aside from

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    YF, they better not be getting Duran. They can have Mahoney :)

  56. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    “Rich in NJ March 26th, 2013 at 9:06 am
    It would be so much fun to see this team stop acquiring veteran has beens and sign and develop players who are still or will be good.”

    If it asking too much to want one young player to watch on the big club? Just one. I seriously will boycott games and solely attend games in Trenton if this keeps up.

    Jeers, how many STH are the Yankees driving away with these moves? They will leave in droves.

  57. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    *Is it asking

  58. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    The only one who has a legitimate gripe if he doesn’t make it is Mustiellier. He has shown that he deserves a chance. I still think he has a good chance to make the team with Jeter out, unless they pick up Overbay.

    _____

    AND the guys who will lose their roster spots to get these clowns on the 40 man.

  59. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Pruf, they can have Luke Murton. :mrgreen:

  60. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Josh Norris@jnorris427 16m
    Heathcott, Flores, Segedin, Roller among the only real Thunder certainties in Trenton lineup today.

  61. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    YF,

    I agree. Could we not have one youngish player to hope for? Do they all have to be reclamation projects holding out some vain hope Long will find the reason they can’t hit anymore?

    The good news is we do have an all star at virtually every position. The bad news is they were all stars in 2006 as pointed out by Barbaresi in his WSJ article.

    I don’t think the Yankees have a clue, even yet, at the fan discontent and the very real likelhood attendance is going to come crashing down. I predicted a 10% decline a few months ago. It may well be more.

    Nice business plan Hal and Brian. Make the team worse despite spending more money this year. Then, make the team awful for 2014 when the rest of the good players go elsewhere or retire.

  62. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    austinmac, it’s pathetic to have to watch other teams young players succeed/develop on the mlb level. I just think we could have rebuilt in a much better manner. They will risk dealing for a young pitcher but will take no risks with the lineup or by playing/dealing for youngsters. It seems like eons ago that I was watching Montero in pinstripes hitting bombs at Yankee Stadium. When do we get a young bat again?

    ****
    Is Shawn Kelley pitching for his pinstripes life today for Trenton? If we dump him from the 40 man, then we traded Abe Almonte for zilch.

  63. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Is Shawn Kelley pitching for his pinstripes life today for Trenton? If we dump him from the 40 man, then we traded Abe Almonte for zilch.
    ___

    Because management and Cashman dont look past what is right in front of them as evidenced by this article and the 40 man debacle.

    In all of this, the thing that stands out to me the most is that they won’t put Tex on the 60 day DL. There is ZERO chance he would be back before June and more likely he is going to need surgery. PLUS he would need time in the minors for rehab and the 3 months it takes him to figure out how to hit each spring. We wouldnt see him before the ASB.

    In 1 month, after we have lost something of value, they will decide it’s time to put him on the 60 day anyway because they cannot figure out anything unless it is right in front of them.

  64. Cashmoney March 26th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Jap, Does Corban Joseph have a position, or rather, Will he have one in Major League? Does his bat play well at DH in eventuality which I am going to assume for other teams. If the answer of the above are neither, I give Boesch a chance.

  65. Cashmoney March 26th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Can someone explain to me the certainty of Cabral… I have been reading him about two years on and off, yet I don’t recall ever seeing him pitch in ML game.

  66. Cashmoney March 26th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    reading about him for two year…

  67. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    I think he would have made the roster; however, Cabral has a stress fracture in left elbow, I believe.

  68. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    *Nix that; that was in 2012 ST…

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 9:52 am
    Josh Norris@jnorris427 16m
    Heathcott, Flores, Segedin, Roller among the only real Thunder certainties in Trenton lineup today.
    ///

    That infield will be horrendous defensively, if it’s Ibarra at short, Pirela at 2nd and Segedin at 3B. Roller’s supposed to have a good glove, according to reports, so there’s that. But it will certainly be a hitting infield.
    The OF will be sweet all around.
    ///

    Cashmoney – Joseph can flat out hit. He’s got limited athleticism for second, no range or arm. He can be a fill-in guy there, and a bat off the bench. He’s one of these guys who plays two infield positions poorly, but the bat is good. He can hit HRs in the Stadium. Boesch just is too bad a hitter/fielder combination for me to care that much about his lh power, especially on a team that can ill afford to substitute gratuitous power for a guy who can also hit, and especially if we have playoff hopes. They just lack so much contact hitters that I’d rather have Joseph than the Boesch proposition, but they’ll give him a glove and he’ll get his HRs against bad pitching. I do understand your point, though.

  70. Cashmoney March 26th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I really don’t know much about him Fem. Just curious as to why he is thought so highly of while spending bulk of his time on the DL.

  71. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    But I would think we’d be more apt to keep a LHR than any fringy righties…

  72. Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Cabral’s timetable is about the same as Pineda’s. Should be mlb ready by June

  73. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Cash, because he is a lefty with a live arm coming off TJS…

  74. Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Where is this kid Anderson Feliz I’ve heard alot about? Supposed to have a really good glove and not a bad hitter either

  75. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Or a *once live arm.

    Tackel, he’s an advanced hitter/beautiful swing. And a switchy. And a pretty darn good 2B. He’s one to watch and will be at Tampa.

  76. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Also remember that because Cabral was a rule five pick up, he has to spend 90 or > days on the 25-man roster in 2013.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 10:19 am
    Where is this kid Anderson Feliz I’ve heard alot about? Supposed to have a really good glove and not a bad hitter either
    ///

    OK, I’ll say it: Feliz reminds me of Robinson Cano (not saying he’s going to BE another Cano).

    He’s got a really good arm, good hands, range can do things like make strong throws off the wrong foot, etc.

    He’s also more than “not a bad hitter,” his hitting potential is very high; batspeed and hits ropes from both sides of the plate; developing power. He also has tremendous speed (which is unlike Cano).

    One of the toolsiest guys I’ve seen and who has the ability to stay back on the ball. They say he’s a little too reticent about base stealing, but he’s also had an assortment of injuries last season that may account for that. Like Gumbs, he’s got tremendous potential; we have two legit huge upside 2B to look forward to.

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Tackel, he’s an advanced hitter/beautiful swing. And a switchy. And a pretty darn good 2B. He’s one to watch and will be at Tampa.
    //

    He’s such a scrawny thing, too. I’ve a feeling when he fills out, look out, he’ll be a monster. Pray that he can stay healthy and get sent to Trenton later this season :)

  79. Cashmoney March 26th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Jap, thank for you take on Joseph. I think it will come down Yankees evaluation of Boesch. Age wise, Boesch is still young and so is Joseph. Boesch has had a pretty impressive minor resume. The question is whether or not you think Boesch’s hitting woes is a product of his swing mechanics or pure ability.

  80. Cashmoney March 26th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    thank for your* I need to wake up :D

  81. Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    JAP, YF

    Thanks for the report. Interesting to see who develops faster, Feliz or Gumbs. SHould be exciting

  82. NJ Pete March 26th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Assuming Cabral goes to the 60, Arod, Pineda and Cabral will all be coming off the 60 at some point. They will need 40 man roster spots. I think this is why Overbay is possible. He could be added now and DFAd when Arod returns. You’re not doing that with Musty.

  83. champ809 March 26th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I’ve got a feeling that Feliz may open the season @ Trenton with Gumbs in Tampa and Pirela playing some SS and 2B in Scranton. That would seem the best way to place these guys to start the season.

    They can kind of rotate between Joseph/Adams/Pirela between 2B/3B/DH.

    Pirela is actually very good @ 2B.

    Feliz is a potential stud @ 2B…5 tool type player with 20HR/30-40SB potential switch-hitter great swing from both sides…

  84. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Assuming Cabral goes to the 60, Arod, Pineda and Cabral will all be coming off the 60 at some point. They will need 40 man roster spots. I think this is why Overbay is possible. He could be added now and DFAd when Arod returns. You’re not doing that with Musty.
    ___

    A-Rod may miss all of 2013, and there is a chance the Yankees will slow him down if it looks like he won’t. I wouldnt worry as much about what happens when HE returns as much as some of these other guys coming off the 60 day DL. Pineda will need a spot, Cabral can replace a reliever pretty easily.

  85. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I have watched Pirela for a couple of years at Trenton, and his D was pretty horrendous, especially at SS. I know some say he is a good 2B, but I have never seen evidence of that. I would love to see Feliz open at Trenton, but I highly doubt it.

  86. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Tackel, I would expect it to be Feliz. I think that he will be at Trenton at some point, whereas Gumbs will start at Charleston, but should take Feliz’s place at Tampa, once the latter moves up.

  87. Carly March 26th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    The next five? I’ll go with David Adams, Dellin Betances, Nik Turley, Zoilo Almonte and maybe Francisco Rondon

    Gosh, I hope they keep Rondon. Josh Norris tweeted that he might be used as a starter in AA.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Cashmoney March 26th, 2013 at 10:33 am
    Jap, thank for you take on Joseph. I think it will come down Yankees evaluation of Boesch. Age wise, Boesch is still young and so is Joseph. Boesch has had a pretty impressive minor resume. The question is whether or not you think Boesch’s hitting woes is a product of his swing mechanics or pure ability.
    ///

    That’s possible Cash that his swing could be reclaimed. Just basing on how he’s looked and his numbers. You’re right that he’s still young. Joseph, though, already has a very good hit tool, thus my preference.
    ///

    Champ, I think the injuries last year may give them pause to just place him in Trenton right away, but I think if he’s healthy and picks up where he left off before the injuries, he’ll move quickly to the Thunder.

    Yes, it will be interesting to see who moves faster. It’s too bad Feliz is another converted SS. If he’d been able to stick, with all the other natural abilities he has, we would be looking at a brighter AJ period…

    Good day, all.

  89. Carly March 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Josh Norris@jnorris427 16m
    Heathcott, Flores, Segedin, Roller among the only real Thunder certainties in Trenton lineup today.

    Hopefully tomorrow Tyler Austin will be back in the lineup :)

  90. champ809 March 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    I know Feliz hasn’t been able to stay healthy and therefore has missed a lot of development time over the last 2 years but I’d challenge him some by starting him off in Trenton with Gumbs in Tampa although thinking about it the Yanks most likely will start Feliz in Tampa with Gumbs repeating Charleston to begin the season.

  91. Carly March 26th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    I hope Segedin has a nice year in AA!! I know he struggled there last year. Looking forward to Murphy though in his second go around in Trenton!

  92. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    There is a chance our Trenton team is going to be better than our Pro Team.

  93. blake March 26th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    ac1 says:
    March 26, 2013 at 10:56 am
    There is a chance our Trenton team is going to be better than our Pro Team.

    Not better but good chance they are more fun to watch

  94. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Here we go again, sweating over fringe prospects nobody wants in trades. Oh why oh why won’t some clever GM take on 5 pieces of dung for 1 useful player? It’s not fair.

  95. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Not better but good chance they are more fun to watch
    ___

    Good chance?
    I bet 100% more fun at the very least.

  96. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    @alexspeier 3m

    Red Sox release Lyle Overbay. No news on Sweeney today

    plz don’t waste 2 spots on the 40 man with a 1Bman and a guy who shouldn’t even be playin 1b. Free musty

  97. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    2014 will be the year the OF prospects really start barking. The OF will be Ichiro, Gardner and Wells in 2014. Opportunities will open up because all those guys will be in the last year of their contracts.

  98. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    @alexspeier: Red Sox release Lyle Overbay. No news on Sweeney today

    Come on down Lyle….we can release some youngster off the 40 man for you

  99. bruceb March 26th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    ac1

    Excellent post at 9.10am. It summarized things nicely for a fan who doesn’t fully understand the intricate web of rules that governs MLB and the “40-man roster.” Why the hell do they have to finalize the 40-man roster before the season starts anyway?

  100. champ809 March 26th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    A trenton lineup of Mason CF/Feliz 2B/Slade LF/Austin RF/Sanchez C/DH /Murphy C/DH /Flores 1B/ Segedin 3B/ SS would be sick..

  101. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    You read that right, next year all three starting OF will be in the last year of their contracts.

  102. Mike in Harrisburg March 26th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Lyle Overbay come on down!

  103. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Just play Musty at 3B and Youk at 1b please and see what happens….there will always be old dudes out there later

  104. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    champ, Gumbs with likely remain with Cito in Charleston. It will be interesting to see if they break up the tandem and Gumbs gets the nod first, which in terms of readiness I would expect, and Feliz will absolutely start in Tampa not just due to injury, but because Yanks are notoriously slow in moving players up. Flores was ready to advance to Trenton at mid section but they waited until the playoffs. Add to that the numbers game, and slow movement will continue to be the Yankees modus operandi.

  105. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    @BillShaikin: SI picks Nationals over Rays in World Series.

    Can someone tell me why everyone thinks the rays are going to be so good…..they can’t hit and they lost their 2nd best starter

  106. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    @Ian_OConnor: #Yankees exec Gene Michael raving about Youkilis: “People forgot how good he is. He’s going to be a big, big player for us”

    Sub the word was for is and maybe…..hope he’s right

  107. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    The last thing the Yankees want to do it seems is start Youkilis at 1B and when Teixeira gets back you have to send a rusty Youk back to 3B when he hasn’t had reps all season.

    And they have no plan to trade for a long term solution like Olt, Headley or Castellanos.

  108. David in Cal March 26th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    i’m a fan. When a Yankee makes an error that costs a game, I feel disappointed. Well, a Yankee named Cashman is in the process of making an error that may cost several games.

    The Wells deal looked imcomprehensible already. Now, add in the fact that the deal may force the Yanks to release someone they wanted to keep or it may force them to put an inferior player on their squad and keep the superior player in the minor leagues.

    There seems to be no consistency. One day Cashman is cutting 2014 salary to the bone, so he lets Martin go. Then, suddenly, he’s spending like a drunken sailor on someone they don’t need. Gah!

  109. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    @FeinsandNYDN: The Red Sox have released Lyle Overbay. Wouldn’t be remotely surprised to see him in pinstripes within 24 hours.

  110. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    champ, it would be, but I would doubt they would move Mason up unless Slade moves to AAA (keeping them both at CF as much as possible) unless there were an injury. Also Segedin has a nice bat, but his D is atrocious. That Trenton infield right now, assuming Pirela at 2B, Ibarra at SS, Segedin at 3B, Roller/Rey Nunez at 1B is going to be very hard to watch, especially the left side. And you won’t see Segedin at short stop in the near or far future. I’d also think JR would move up before Sanchez shows up because they’d won’t both to get a good number of C reps.

  111. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    *want both

  112. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    “The last thing the Yankees want to do it seems is start Youkilis at 1B and when Teixeira gets back you have to send a rusty Youk back to 3B when he hasn’t had reps all season.”

    He shouldn’t be playing 3B anyways and never really should have

  113. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Overbay and overpay (for dead wood) the story of 2013 so far?

  114. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Where else were the Yankees going to find an everyday OF for 2014 without impacting the tax threshold?

    Vernon Wells was the best they could do. They would’ve been sodomized through a trade I bet. Still hope to turn Granderson into something.

  115. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    The last thing the Yankees want to do it seems is start Youkilis at 1B and when Teixeira gets back you have to send a rusty Youk back to 3B when he hasn’t had reps all season.

    1. Why does it have to be assumed that he gets zero reps?
    2. What if Tex never comes back?
    3. What happens if Mustelier is lookin good?

  116. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Where else were the Yankees going to find an everyday OF for 2014 without impacting the tax threshold?

    Vernon Wells was the best they could do.

    Vernon Wells is not an everyday OF

  117. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Yeah, don’t get the 3B obsession, but the Yanks are probably hoping Alex gets suspended, so they will force Youk–in spite of his bad D–to play 3B because they’d rather play a vet there. Musty is an overthought if a thought at all it seems.

  118. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    But he is Blake and that’s the situation don’t cry about it.

  119. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    And I have to say in the minor leagues it doesn’t seem like we care very much about saving runs at 3B. Just abominable D across levels unless you want to go as far down as A-.

  120. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    It cracks me up that the Yankees keep signing (or looking into) players that were RELEASED by teams that aren’t even as good as the team we have now.

    Overbay?
    Betancourt?
    Boesch?
    WELLS?
    Rivera?
    Francisco?

  121. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “Where else were the Yankees going to find an everyday OF for 2014 without impacting the tax threshold?”

    Hopefully their minor leagues…..Heathcott , Austin, Flores etc…..any or all could be ready a year from now

  122. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    With Rivera, Mustelier, and Youk you have 3 players that can cover 3B, 1B, and COF.

    They can get reps for all 3 at any position they want.

  123. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Wells may not be your idea of an everyday OF and i’m not saying I disagree but he’s the everyday RF in 2014.

  124. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Where else were the Yankees going to find an everyday OF for 2014 without impacting the tax threshold?
    ___

    Mesa, Almonte, Tyler Austin, Heathcott, etc……

  125. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    FiretheUMPIRE says:
    March 26, 2013 at 11:12 am
    But he is Blake and that’s the situation don’t cry about it.

    It’s the situation that they made

  126. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Ibanez was an imposed everyday OF (Ok, by necessity b/c of injury, but we build our bench without contingencies, so… ), but that is how we roll these days. Vernon is an improvement, Cash will say, and reference our own metrics which are purportedly superior to UZR.

  127. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Blake I just said upthread that since the 2014 starting OF of Ichiro, Gardner and Wells will be in the last year of their contracts, Austin, Flores and Heathcott could get reps at some point next year (probably as a callups when there is injury).

  128. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    “It’s the situation that they made”

    ____
    This is the oversight; the thing that people keeping overlooking or waving away. The Yankees created this problem. No one else did; they didn’t plan well. At. All. They didn’t make moves when they could have. Ignored solutions such as Cespedes. The problem is self-created, as much as we want to wish it away.

  129. jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am
    “Where else were the Yankees going to find an everyday OF for 2014 without impacting the tax threshold?”

    Hopefully their minor leagues…..Heathcott , Austin, Flores etc…..any or all could be ready a year from now

    They are not going to count on guys just starting AA this year to fill OF positions in 2014. Not approving of the Wells (and other) stuff, just addressing that particular point.

  130. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Right, they–Austin, Flores and Heathcott–will be the new outfield “generation trey.” Sure.

  131. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    They don’t need Wells for 2014….they didnthisnfor this year…at be he can be the RH DH or something in 2014

  132. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Well I would sign Choo for RF and use Wells sparingly but that’s assuming money is no object. Pettitte will be back.

  133. pkyankfan69 March 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am
    Wells may not be your idea of an everyday OF and i’m not saying I disagree but he’s the everyday RF in 2014.
    ——————————
    Not if he posts another .670 OPS this year he won’t… Or at least I would certainly hope not.

  134. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    “They are not going to count on guys just starting AA this year to fill OF positions in 2014.

    Not all of them no….but if they are ready then they should play….everyone else plays young players and nobody dies

  135. jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Them signing both Ichiro and Wells through 2014 should tell you something.

  136. yankeefeminista March 26th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    blake, death by playing young players. It is one of Cash’s and the FO’s greatest phobias.

    Hey, Flores is already on the 40 man; bet he could outhit Wells now.

  137. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    @jnorris427: Source “would doubt” that either player in Wells deal is one of those slated to be w/Trenton this year. #yankees @TrentonThunder

    Watch it be Flores and Nuno or something….it honestly wouldn’t surprise me that much

  138. jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am
    “They are not going to count on guys just starting AA this year to fill OF positions in 2014.

    Not all of them no….but if they are ready then they should play….everyone else plays young players and nobody dies

    I agree, but that’s besides the point.

  139. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Do you guys have suffer this much pain and turmoil when things don’t go your way in real life or just baseball? I feel like this blog has become more like a therapy session. I would wager good money that none of the regulars are licensed psychiatrists because they were driven off a long time ago. Nobody wants to feel like they are at the office when they are out of the office. Get a hold of yourselves people.

  140. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Ichiro, Gardner, Austin OF next year…..Heathcott or Mason takes over CF in 2015

  141. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:26 am



    I agree, but that’s besides the point.”

    How….the question was where will they find outfielders for 2014

  142. jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Can we not have a 300 post strawman about the players going in the Wells trade? Let’s wait and see who is actually traded and then complain about it?

  143. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    “Them signing both Ichiro and Wells through 2014 should tell you something.”

    This is a neat theory that will be ignored by the blah blah blahgosphre.

  144. jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:26 am


    I agree, but that’s besides the point.”

    How….the question was where will they find outfielders for 2014

    My point was that the Yankees are not going to rely on even one of the guys just starting AA to fill an OF need for 2014. Do you disagree? Look, the already have acquired Ichiro and Wells through 2014, and they have Gardner. I don’t think that is a coincidence.

  145. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    @DanHayesCSN: Bo Jackson to throw out the ceremonial first pitch at Opening Day. #WhiteSox #royals

    Unless the Yanks call and sign him

  146. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I would put TEX and Banuelos on the 60 Day. So what if you start the clock? The real screw-up here is adding Hafner to the 40 Man. One dimensional player, basically a square peg inna round hole on This team. The Yankees need guys that can plug numerous holes. Hafner is just a plain Old Hole, a Zero. The Yankee FO continues pulling Boners that hamstrings itself, and results in fielding a disjointed 25 Man Roster.

  147. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Coincidence, it’s freakin obvious.

  148. pat March 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    @MLB
    In 6 days …

    -It’ll be Monday

    -It might still be cold.

    -Your bracket will be completely busted.

    -THERE WILL BE BASEBALL.

  149. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    “My point was that the Yankees are not going to rely on even one of the guys just starting AA to fill an OF need for 2014. Do you disagree? ”

    They might not …but they should if they are ready. Austin will be ready by 2014 if he stays healthy….he could play right now and hold his own IMO

  150. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    “My point was that the Yankees are not going to rely on even one of the guys just starting AA to fill an OF need for 2014. Do you disagree? ”

    They might not …but they should if they are ready. Austin will be ready by 2014 if he stays healthy….he could play right now and hold his own IMO
    _____

    They won’t but they SHOULD.

  151. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    “My point was that the Yankees are not going to rely on even one of the guys just starting AA to fill an OF need for 2014. Do you disagree? Look, the already have acquired Ichiro and Wells through 2014, and they have Gardner. I don’t think that is a coincidence.”

    Listen to this jack guy people, he brings you truth.

  152. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    @HardballTalk: Source close to Nolan Ryan: “70/30 that he leaves” http://t.co/dLPt2H7nUL #mlb #hbt

    Wonder if he could give them rotation depth

  153. pat March 26th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    therealarieber
    Remember that female kicker who tried to make the nfl but kicked the ball 13 yards? Yankees just signed her. #Kidding #ithink

  154. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    The Yankees must add Overbay. He’s declining, can’t hit, has no power and would take a roster spot. He sounds perfect. We are very under stocked in players released by other teams.

  155. blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I don’t think they acquired Wells to start in 2014….I think this trade was for him to fill in now while Granderson is out and then to be a bench player later on…..maybe the Andrew Jones role next year. If they are planning on an Ichiro Gardner , Wells OF next year then they are truly lost and have no plan whatsoever

  156. pat March 26th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    beckjason
    Porcello has made #Tigers rotation. Smyly to bullpen.

  157. Wave Your Hat March 26th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    The Yanks clearly aren’t worried about the 40 man roster or they wouldn’t have traded for Wells to do the same job Melky Mesa one of the farm kids could have. That’s why Overbay will be a Yank in 48 hours.

  158. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Penciling in a AA guy in RF in 2014 is no plan either.

  159. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Josh Johnson is pitching lights out for the Jays this spring. If healthy, watch out.

  160. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Just play Musty at 3B and Youk at 1b please and see what happens….there will always be old dudes out there later

    —————

    This is the part that’s especially confusing… guys like Wells could be had later lol, it isn’t like they’re going anywhere.

  161. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    If Mesa got cut I’d feel the same way I did when Golson was let go.

  162. tucker March 26th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    One of the most puzzling things about the Wells trade — other than his sharp decline and outrageous salary — is the fact he tiesnupna roster spot. What happens in August if he’s hitting a predictable 220 with a 275 OBP? They can’t move him. He is tethered to the roster. At least with the other veterans, they can DFA them and move on. Not so with Wells.

    Cashman has made a lot of dumb moves. This is perhaps his worst move in the past. 5-6 years.

  163. tucker March 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    EDIT: Ties up a roster spot …

  164. champ809 March 26th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Yankeefem

    I know and to some extent I wish that they would adjust their thinking with regard to some of these guys.

    I’d definitely have Bird-1B in Charleston with Gumbs-2B, Cito-SS, Pete O’Brien-C and Bichette-3B as my infield.

    But the problem becomes guys like Andujar, Custodio and Isias Tejada get held back

  165. pat March 26th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    The @Nationals grant RHP Chris Young his unconditional release

  166. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Blake,

    I am not sure the Rays have less hitting than the Yankees. We have Cano, but the rest is pretty iffy. they have Longoria and the rest are pretty iffy too.

    Let me know when someone actually picks the Yankees. MLB.com describes them as a Never say Never team. They showed every other team with more liklihood.

    That is our reality. Look at the lineup. When guys who hit .230 are in the middle of the order, no more needs to be said.

  167. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Kinda been harping on this roster problem for a month or two now.

    I would hate to lose Mesa or CoJo but I tend to agree with Chad that they’re the ones most likely dumped off the roster. I would especially hate to see them go so that the Yankees can add Juan Freaken Rivera for two months.

    Here are my five moves to create roster spots for Wells, Mustelier, Nix, Francisco and Nuno:

    1. 60 Day DL for Cabral
    2. 60 Day DL for Tex – he’s still at best 8 weeks from returning.
    3. DFA Aardsma
    4. DFA Eppley

    Even with both Aardsma and Eppley gone and Rapada and Hughes on the DL the Yankees open with a bullpen of:

    RHP: Joba, Robertson, Rivera, Kelley, Warren
    LHP: Logan, Nuno

    5. DFA Chris Stewart – There is no way that Austin Romine can be worse than Chris Stewart. It is physically impossible unless Romine were to actually fall asleep behind the plate. I know that only having 2 catchers on the 40 is a risk, but it’s one that you take in this situation to keep your team from having to drop a useful player.

    The alternative is to do a multiplayer swap or a deal where you send someone on your 40 to a team for someone who doesn’t have to go on it. But you cannot lose young talented players like Mesa or Joseph for nothing.

  168. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Tucker,

    I agree. The rest of the old guys can be released. The Yankees will never release their $13M outfielder, Wells.

    I would rather have the guy whose spot he takes on the roster even without knowing who that is.

  169. RMS March 26th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Yankees = Mess

  170. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    The Yankee FO is NOT looking ahead to the 2014 season and the Yankee outfield situation at that time. It’s obvious that these boneheads are incapable of any sort of forethought. The Yankee FO consists of Hal pacing back-and-forth with a Dull pencil behind his right ear, and Levine pulling on a hand crank adding machine, totaling the Current Yankee payroll. Cashman occasionally intrudes, when when he burst through the door with coffee and bear claws from Winchells.

  171. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Hal is on with Kay today, ESPN NY @ 3:15pm EST if anyone is interested.

  172. Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    pat March 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am
    @MLB
    In 6 days …

    -It’ll be Monday

    -It might still be cold.

    -Your bracket will be completely busted.

    -THERE WILL BE BASEBALL.
    ___________________
    Maybe. RIght now long range forecast calls for rain next MOnday. But it could change.

  173. Tackelberry March 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    RMS March 26th, 2013 at 11:51 am
    Yankees = Mess

    RMS = Titanic

  174. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    “When guys who hit .230 are in the middle of the order, no more needs to be said.”

    This is my new normal.

  175. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    In fairness – I don’t think Melky Mesa’s all that good and his swing will always keep him from being more than a 4th OF/Defensive replacement – but I would still like to at least get a minor leaguer for him.

  176. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Madden does the Small Ball stuff. Girardi does Not. Advantage TB.

  177. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    “DFA Chris Stewart – There is no way that Austin Romine can be worse than Chris Stewart. It is physically impossible unless Romine were to actually fall asleep behind the plate.”

    :lol:

  178. jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    blake March 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am
    “My point was that the Yankees are not going to rely on even one of the guys just starting AA to fill an OF need for 2014. Do you disagree? ”

    They might not …but they should if they are ready. Austin will be ready by 2014 if he stays healthy….he could play right now and hold his own IMO

    I think you misunderstood me, I’m talking about their outlook now. They are not going to count on even one of those guys being ready to go in 2014. That’s why they are signing Ichiro and Wells.

  179. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    RMS March 26th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Yankees = Mess

    ———-

    Absolutely correct.

    Someone mentioned that the Yankees are like a big ship with a hole in the side from a torpedo hit. Taking on water and listing.

  180. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    3. DFA Aardsma
    4. DFA Eppley
    __

    -I would DFA Rapada too. Nuno can do what he does AND MORE. We dont need a lefty specialist when there is Nuno and Logan, who can face more than 1 batter at a time.

    -Definitely Tex to the 60 day.

    -Honestly think they should just release Boesch. With Wells here and Grandy 4 -6 weeks away from returning, what point is there to having him?

  181. pat March 26th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    DavidWaldstein6s
    Regarding Overbay, whom BoSox cut, Brian Cashman said he “Will look at all that becomes available.” A lot becoming available next few days.

  182. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Anyone in the Yankee FO that is counting on Wells to be in the 2014 Yankee OF should be sh*t canned on-the-spot.

  183. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    @BizballMaury 1m

    I am hearing that the Yankees cannot earn credit in the deal. LAA cash consideration,

  184. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    This is the most exciting part of the baseball year. Dumpster diving!!! Who will be released? This is when the Yankees will begin team building. Cashman at his best. Signing players who used to be good. I will be happy looking at their five year old baseball cards since we can expect them to do what is on the back of their 2008 cards, right?

  185. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
    Hal is on with Kay today, ESPN NY @ 3:15pm EST if anyone is interested.

    ——————–

    And he’s going to be on with Francesa at 1:30. Hal is a busy man today lol

  186. pat March 26th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    craigcalcaterra
    Can’t be. I was told by experts at the Daily News that A-Rod was so old and busted that he’d walk away from $114M http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesi.....A55xpKxM8O

  187. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    @BizballMaury 38s

    @jerktweets @mikeaxisa @Joelsherman1 I’m saying that source indicates that credit cannot happen. Doesn’t say why. Remember, deal not closed

  188. ac1 March 26th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Them looking at the crap others discard is making this almost unwatchable. Maybe they will shock us and win 100 games (DOUBTFUL), but people still won’t come to watch the Wells’, Boeschs, Overbays, Juan Riveras.

    You want fans in the stands, shows us some excitement. Let’s seem some players we are actually invested in. I am still dumbfounded they are actually letting Nunez start at SS instead of replacing him with Betancourt or some other piece a team didnt want.

  189. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Maybe the Wells deal will fall apart once MLB puts the foot down on the Yankees clever attempt to get that credit

  190. jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
    @BizballMaury 1m

    I am hearing that the Yankees cannot earn credit in the deal. LAA cash consideration,

    Ok, where in the CBA does it say that? Because I haven’t seen it. It better not be Bud saying “because I said so”.

  191. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Ok, where in the CBA does it say that? Because I haven’t seen it. It better not be Bud saying “because I said so”.

    I would assume it would be that, because Bud Selig is a scumbag.

  192. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Hal being on the radio is our clue he is getting worrried about the fans. He should be. I can’t wait to learn he says the same thing he says every time. We intend to put a competitve team on the field, but no one could expect these injuries blah, blah. And of course, the $189M cap has had no impact on the Yankees this winter and spring.

    Kay will toss him only softballs while giving him a neck massage. At least Francesa is irritated.

  193. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    ac1 -

    I would be fine with DFA’ing Rapada – Rondon is another lefty who looked good this spring if Nuno falters and he’s on the 40 already.

    I would keep Boesch over Mesa I think. If Hafner gets hurt (and what are the odds on that) I think Boesch could be alright at DH given the stadium dimensions. Mesa on the other hand, the talent is there defensively, but his swing is just so so so long and strike zone judgement so poor. He’s going to get steamrolled by the guys coming up behind him in the OF.

  194. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    The Angels got away with their Pujols contract chicanery. Bud is NOW gonna put his foot down because this deal involves the Yankees. The Boss had Bowie Kuhn blocking his moves, and Now Hal has Bud.

  195. champ809 March 26th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    As far as how good Melky Mesa is or isn’t…He’s a 26yr old toold shed.

    He plays elite D all over the OF.

    He’s has a trus RFer’s arm that grades 70+ on a 80 scale.

    He’s an elite runner with the capability to steal 35-40 bases.

    He has power and can hit anybody’s fastball.

    He’s been a clutch hitter in his professional career.

    He’s never going to win a batting title and has holes in his swing that he needs to close.

    But Mike cameron was a very good player for a while in this league with this same player profile.

    If he can become a .250-.270/20-25HR/30 steal CF/LF that plays GG defense then he can be a major leaguer for sure.

  196. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Jerkface -

    Gotta love how Bud is going to re-interpret the rules to suit his needs.

  197. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Oh wow, Alex Rodriguez looked good with a fork in his hand. A return to MVP form must be right around the corner.

  198. Carly March 26th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    I think the deadline has passed on Juan Rivera’s retention bonus. Any news ???

  199. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Chip March 26th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    Jerkface -

    Gotta love how Bud is going to re-interpret the rules to suit his needs.

    ————————-

    That’s why I was so pissed when he decided to not retire and sign on to be the commissioner for a few more seasons.

  200. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    champ

    The problem is that as good as Mesa’s tools are, he’s never taken a carpentry class and doesn’t know how to use them.

    He reminds me a lot of Wily Mo Pena and Jackson Melian – all sorts of raw talent but just not a baseball player.

  201. MoRings42 March 26th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Would moving Teixeira to the 60 day DL void the WBC from paying his salary during that time? It may be why he hasn’t been moved. Yanks are on the cheap.. 7 mil is a lot of money.

  202. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Champ,

    Nice comparison of Melky to Cameron. You have on your thinking cap.

  203. austinmac March 26th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Eppley would be removed from my roster. If any other team wants him, good luck.

  204. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Would moving Teixeira to the 60 day DL void the WBC from paying his salary during that time? It may be why he hasn’t been moved. Yanks are on the cheap.. 7 mil is a lot of money.

    No, being on the DL is a requirement for WBC to pay the money! And you have to be on for atleast 30 days.

  205. tucker March 26th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
    Hal is on with Kay today, ESPN NY @ 3:15pm EST if anyone is interested.

    ——————–

    And he’s going to be on with Francesa at 1:30. Hal is a busy man today lol

    Xxxxxxxx

    He’s trying like mad to sell those tickets …

  206. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    If he can become a .250-.270/20-25HR/30 steal CF/LF that plays GG defense then he can be a major leaguer for sure.

    you need to temper. That player is an MVP or all-star in CF. If he can be a .230-.250 with a ~.300 OBP and 10-15 HRs in CF he can be a major leaguer.

  207. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
    Hal is on with Kay today, ESPN NY @ 3:15pm EST if anyone is interested.

    ——————–

    And he’s going to be on with Francesa at 1:30. Hal is a busy man today lol

    ===========

    Yes, LOL ! Lots of damage control for their ineptitude.

  208. tucker March 26th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    If somebody can just convince/work with Melky Mesa to shorten his swing a bit, he may be able to stick. That swing is just too long with too many moving parts. If he shortens his path to the ball, it would allow him to wait longer before he swings and make him less vulnerable to the breaking ball. The bat speed is there — as are all the other tools.

  209. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    tucker March 26th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Poor Hal, he must be ‘squeezing’ really hard !

  210. jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Cameron walked more than it looks like Mesa would, and I’m not sure Mesa would hit even .250 in the majors.

  211. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    tucker March 26th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
    Hal is on with Kay today, ESPN NY @ 3:15pm EST if anyone is interested.

    ——————–

    And he’s going to be on with Francesa at 1:30. Hal is a busy man today lol

    Xxxxxxxx

    He’s trying like mad to sell those tickets …

    ———————-

    That and trying to calm down the fan base lol

  212. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    If he can become a .250-.270/20-25HR/30 steal CF/LF that plays GG defense then he can be a major leaguer for sure.

    you need to temper. That player is an MVP or all-star in CF. If he can be a .230-.250 with a ~.300 OBP and 10-15 HRs in CF he can be a major leaguer.

    —————–

    and I don’t think Mesa can do that. The GG defense yes, but after the low level minor leaguers were sent down and he started facing AAA and ML pitching they expanded the strike zone on him something fierce.

  213. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
    Hal is on with Kay today, ESPN NY @ 3:15pm EST if anyone is interested.

    ——————–

    And he’s going to be on with Francesa at 1:30. Hal is a busy man today lol

    ===========

    Yes, LOL ! Lots of damage control for their ineptitude.

    ——————–

    Yep a ton of damage control. He really thought this 189 thing would have been accepted by the fan base smh lol

  214. tucker March 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
    Maybe the Wells deal will fall apart once MLB puts the foot down on the Yankees clever attempt to get that credit
    Xxxx

    We can only hope … Part of me thinks that Cashman is motivated to do this deal so he can appear clever. “Look guys, I’m the smartest guy in the room AND I got my team under 189. This is how I did it.”

  215. Bo knows March 26th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    If somebody can just convince/work with Melky Mesa to shorten his swing a bit, he may be able to stick. That swing is just too long with too many moving parts. If he shortens his path to the ball, it would allow him to wait longer before he swings and make him less vulnerable to the breaking ball. The bat speed is there — as are all the other tools.

    —————–
    This is what has bothered me for years. An example – Mesa. He’s been a professional for what, ten years? How come at this late date, it shows up? Nobody saw that he can’t hit an off speed pitch with his swing? Bloody aggravating.

  216. jacksquat March 26th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Is there some sort of general language in the CBA where it says that the commissioner can deny deals that appear to be trying to circumvent the intent of the competitive balance tax?

  217. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    G. Other Undertakings
    (1) Neither the Parties hereto nor any Club or any Player shall
    enter into any agreement, Uniform Player’s Contract or other trans-action, that includes any terms designed to defeat or circumvent the
    intention of the Parties as reflected by this Article XXIII

    I assume Bud would say they are violating this and use one of the interest in baseball clauses

  218. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Bo knows March 26th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    If somebody can just convince/work with Melky Mesa to shorten his swing a bit, he may be able to stick. That swing is just too long with too many moving parts. If he shortens his path to the ball, it would allow him to wait longer before he swings and make him less vulnerable to the breaking ball. The bat speed is there — as are all the other tools.

    —————–
    This is what has bothered me for years. An example – Mesa. He’s been a professional for what, ten years? How come at this late date, it shows up? Nobody saw that he can’t hit an off speed pitch with his swing? Bloody aggravating.
    —————-

    Because when you’re as talented as Mesa is you can crush against the pitching in the low minors – bad curveballs, bad changeups – thrown by guys who themselves will see their careers peter out before they reach AA or AAA. But as Mesa moves up so too does his level of competition which means he’s not feasting on guys he’s more talented then anymore – he’s trying to compete against guys who he is just as talented as. That’s where holes that you kinda see in the lower levels really manifest.

  219. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    G. Other Undertakings
    (1) Neither the Parties hereto nor any Club or any Player shall
    enter into any agreement, Uniform Player’s Contract or other trans-action, that includes any terms designed to defeat or circumvent the
    intention of the Parties as reflected by this Article XXIII

    I assume Bud would say they are violating this and use one of the interest in baseball clauses

    —————–

    If Bud uses the “Best interest of baseball” clause it would be, I believe, the first time since Finley tried to dismantle the A’s.

  220. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    On a side note, can we agree that the talk about Cano signing with the Yankees for less than market value is poop?

    Boras just got Kyle Loshe, a guy with no market, a 3 year $33 Mil deal – Cano is going to break banks.

  221. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Yes, I am interested in one thing, one of Francesa or Kay asking the tough question about Cano in the midst of the this team crumbling around him with all these fossils they keep signing.

    They could have inserted some of the kids and lessened the financial constraints of signing Cano.

  222. NYYROC March 26th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    If they bring in Overbay perhaps they would cut Rivera, then go with the following:
    vs LHP Youk @ 1B Musty @ 3B
    vs RHP Youk @ 3B Overbay @ 1B
    No way they can waste roster spots by having bith Rivera and Overbay. (I don’t see Rivera as an OF option).

  223. ron March 26th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Cano,granderson,hughes should of all been traded for 3-4 nice prospects,and hamilton,ajp signed.
    We’d still have a nice offense,but a great prospect foundation going forward.

  224. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Yes, I am interested in one thing, one of Francesa or Kay asking the tough question about Cano in the midst of the this team crumbling around him with all these fossils they keep signing.

    They could have inserted some of the kids and lessened the financial constraints of signing Cano.

    ————————-

    That was the idea. The idea was to build the farm, remain competitive, and avoid a full rebuild. How the hell they got here is amazing but not in a good way

  225. Cujo March 26th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    ‘Overbay, 36, would add to the Yankees’ spirit-of-’06 roster, because that is the year he had an .880 OPS. Vernon Wells, Kevin Youkilis, and Chien-Ming Wang are also recent Yankees additions who excelled in 2006 — and haven’t done as much since.

    Overbay played just 65 games in the majors in 2012 and had an OPS of .727. He is left-handed, something Juan Rivera is not.’

    ESPN – NY

    ——–

    LOL !

  226. monzagorilla March 26th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Wow, this really is over-complicated. Since when do the Yankees give kids a chance to achieve anything at the major league level? Every time it comes to a kid versus veteran choice, you know Cash is going with the veteran. So, what’s to worry about. None of these kids has a chance of sticking with the Yankees so just set them free now.

    Any chance we can talk the commissioner into banning Cashman and a couple of others from baseball for a year or two? This team seriously needs fresh thinking.

  227. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Cujo March 26th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    ‘Overbay, 36, would add to the Yankees’ spirit-of-’06 roster, because that is the year he had an .880 OPS. Vernon Wells, Kevin Youkilis, and Chien-Ming Wang are also recent Yankees additions who excelled in 2006 — and haven’t done as much since.

    Overbay played just 65 games in the majors in 2012 and had an OPS of .727. He is left-handed, something Juan Rivera is not.’

    ESPN – NY

    ——–

    LOL !

    ===============

    Hal ? Please chime in ! Ha !

  228. LGY March 26th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    2013: Beltran, Melky, Pierzynski, David Ross, Eric Chavez = $34.5M

    2013: Youkilis, Wells, Ichiro, Hafner = $34M

  229. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    That was the idea. The idea was to build the farm, remain competitive, and avoid a full rebuild. How the hell they got here is amazing but not in a good way

    ======

    No not good, things are sliding down hill now and picking up speed

  230. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    True but Hal seems to think he can somehow hope things will work out and that will be enough.

  231. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    LGY March 26th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    2013: Beltran, Melky, Pierzynski, David Ross, Eric Chavez = $34.5M

    2013: Youkilis, Wells, Ichiro, Hafner, ‘Boesch’ = $34M

    ———–

    12 – 12 – 6.5 – 2 – 1.5 = $ 34 million

  232. Bo knows March 26th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    The crunch started with the Beltran, non signing. Then they could trade Swisher for a young un, say in AA. If need be, add in high end reliever prospects to ensure a top return. The OF is covered and you have a prospect, slated for 2013 This year, trade Granderson, and so on. This eliminates the circle jerk that the Yankees are currently experiencing.

    Instead, Swisher goes for a draft pick that’s three to four years away. Granderson ditto. Mainly the Yankees lose years and the percentage of gamble goes up, not counting the salary hit.

  233. blake March 26th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    LGY says:
    March 26, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    2013: Beltran, Melky, Pierzynski, David Ross, Eric Chavez = $34.5M

    2013: Youkilis, Wells, Ichiro, Hafner = $34M

    It’s really not funny

  234. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    You really think he gives a crap as long as the cash keeps rolling in ? He is only fooling himself.

    As someone here said don’t spend ones disposable entertainment dollars on anything ‘Yankee’ and maybe they will take notice down the road.

  235. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    LGY March 26th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    2013: Beltran, Melky, Pierzynski, David Ross, Eric Chavez = $34.5M

    ————–

    Chavez wasn’t about money, he wanted to play in Arizona
    Yankees do not like Melky Cabrera as a human being or as a ball player
    Beltran wasn’t a free agent this winter
    who needs AJ or Ross when you have Cervelli and Stewie?

  236. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Chavez wasn’t about money, he wanted to play in Arizona

    This is untrue. The Yankees NEVER offered him a contract, the SPECULATION is that he signed with Arizona, a team that isn’t really a lock for competing for the WS, is because its close to his home. However Chavez said he liked NYY and would come back. They never offered him a deal.

    He can’t choose the Yankees if they don’t offer him anything!

  237. Bo knows March 26th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Because when you’re as talented as Mesa is you can crush against the pitching in the low minors – bad curveballs, bad changeups – thrown by guys who themselves will see their careers peter out before they reach AA or AAA. But as Mesa moves up so too does his level of competition which means he’s not feasting on guys he’s more talented then anymore – he’s trying to compete against guys who he is just as talented as. That’s where holes that you kinda see in the lower levels really manifest.

    —————-
    No, I’ve been hearing for years that Mesa couldn’t hit an off speed pitch. Never hit for high average. When I saw him last year at spring training, he was a one piece band. His hands never dropped into the zone, etc. Either all those hitting instructors didn’t do their job or he’s not coachable.

  238. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Arizona being close to his home can be a reason why he signs with Arizona without it being a reason why he would spurn NY, the team that he loved playing for the past 2 years.

  239. pkyankfan69 March 26th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Anyone else excited to hear Hal try to sell us some BS on Mike’s show in a few minutes???

  240. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Beltran wasn’t a free agent this winter

    LGY forgot we can only sign guys for 1 year :)

  241. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Chavez had options after last season. The Yankees would have liked him back. The Red Sox and White Sox both pursued him. But all it took for Chavez to decide where he wanted to play in 2013 was a phone call from Towers to Chavez’s agent the week before the annual winter meetings; the deal was done. And just like that, Chavez had found the right location for the next chapter of his long, winding career. Everything that developed afterward was icing on the cake. “As soon as he made that call, it was kind of a no-brainer for me that this was going to be the right situation,” Chavez said. “There could not have been a better fit.”

    The rest of the article deals with other reaons why he liked the Arizona situation – including the role of mentor that he wouldn’t have had in New York:

    http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/.....s/13202488

  242. Mike Ri March 26th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Chavez wasn?t about money, he wanted to play in Arizona
    Yankees do not like Melky Cabrera as a human being or as a ball player
    Beltran wasn?t a free agent this winter
    who needs AJ or Ross when you have Cervelli and Stewie?

    —-
    I Agree Chip

  243. ron March 26th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Cashman is only good when he can write a check,not rebuilding,while still competing,wich the yankees should be able to easily do,while at the same time,combining new prospects,with our own.
    There are a lot of great prospects out there that we could of gotten by trading cano,granderson,hughes,and i think we are going to start to see younger,and younger prospects making an impact at the ml level.We are already seeing it with harper,trout,strasburgh,kershaw,etc…

    Cano would get us a ml ready 3b prospect,and a p prospect,granderson a ss prospect,hughes a 2b prospect,in wich we don’t have in our system that are real good,or close.
    Then you sign hamilton,ajp,and maybe another free agent,and not only are we competing,we just got a plethora of good prospects,combined with our own,and are in fantastic shape.
    We replaced most,or all of our lost offense,and rebuilt for years to come.

    I just don’t get what the yankees are doing.

  244. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    The rest of the article deals with other reaons why he liked the Arizona situation – including the role of mentor that he wouldn’t have had in New York:

    He signed in december, the Yankees made no offer, and he signed at a good price. If the Yankees had offered him 3 million during the winter meetings you’d hear about how he is excited to return to win a world series.

  245. UnKnown March 26th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b.....l/21948047

    Cash Comparing Cards and Yanks.

    Also, I found it amusing that over at Halo’s Heaven they actually “greened” a whole thread of about 320 comments in elation over finally getting rid of Wells.

    Glad we could help out I guess…

  246. Mike Ri March 26th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Hal will be on with Mike Francessa on the WFAN . 1:30

  247. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    The Yankees preferred a Chavez/Keppinger platoon at third despite not offering either of them a contract. Cashman’s patience strategy means that his choices go off the board.

  248. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    Beltran wasn’t a free agent this winter

    LGY forgot we can only sign guys for 1 year
    ———–

    Well I just thought it was a little odd to throw in a guy who wasn’t on the market this year and compare him only to guys who were signed this year.

    In theory, the Yankees chose Ibanez over Beltran – which is not a move I would have made, but I don’t see how Beltran would fit into this conversation…

    if you want a more apt comparison you go with the fact that the Yankees could have given Scott Hairston a total of $5 million over 2 years instead of giving Vernon Wells 3 times as much over that same period.

  249. Carly March 26th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Hal trying to do PR damage control today on the WFAN and ESPN. Too little too late.

  250. Carly March 26th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    I am not seeing it as an enormous difference Mike. 50 to 17 percent (33 percent difference) ONLY on money above teh 189. Now it would different for me if it was the whole payroll was taxed at 50. It is only on the above 189.

  251. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    The Yankees preferred a Chavez/Keppinger platoon at third despite not offering either of them a contract. Cashman’s patience strategy means that his choices go off the board.

    ——————

    Right.

    It worked two years ago but this year we saw role players: Chavez, Gomes, Keppinger, Ross all come off the board early so there wasn’t anything left in the bargain bin.

    The discouraging thing is that when asked about these players coming off the board kept saying that “we’re not there yet in terms of dealing with those positions.” You can’t negotiate a contract with Hiroki Kuroda’s agent the same time you’re negotiating one with Jeff Keppinger’s? Really? If you can’t multitask then you probably are in the wrong line of work.

  252. pkyankfan69 March 26th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    LOL

    Mike is saying they should have given Martin big money this year, small money next year, and big money in ’15 to make sure they got under $189 next year.

    Perhaps someone should inform Mike of AAV.

  253. ron March 26th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    I wouldn’t mind wells as a bench player for 2 million a year,max,but as a starting lf for 5-7 million a year is just a horrible job by the yankees.
    Just a horrific job of putting together a team.
    I still think because of our pitching we will compete,but we could of built a much,much better team to compete this year,and many years to come.

  254. blake March 26th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    The Cards are sorta like the Yankees only much better ran

  255. NYYROC March 26th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    For those of us who can’t listen, any summary of the interviews would be appreciated. Thanks.

  256. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    @BizballMaury

    @jerktweets @mikeaxisa @Joelsherman1 There is no credit. It’s net zero. There is no CBA language around a credit. (1/2)

  257. blake March 26th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    NYYROC says:
    March 26, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    For those of us who can’t listen, any summary of the interviews would be appreciated. Thanks.

    189 is a goal but we are still committed to winning….we don’t understand why fans are upset with all this money we’ve spent….,we think we are a championship caliber team….we need the killer Bs and Montero and the kids to step up ….oh we traded Montero? Well whoever that other catcher we have is…..blah blah blah

  258. LGY March 26th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    I included Beltran because I can’t let go of the fact that Beltran was a perfect fit, he wanted to play here, and yet they still passed :evil:

  259. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    blake March 26th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    The Cards are sorta like the Yankees only much better ran

    ———–

    U got that right, The Cards just keep cranking out pitchers and position players from their system. NYY need to take a lesson.

  260. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    This comment section may know more about the CBA than MLB itself.

  261. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    pkyankfan69 March 26th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    LOL

    Mike is saying they should have given Martin big money this year, small money next year, and big money in ’15 to make sure they got under $189 next year.

    Perhaps someone should inform Mike of AAV.

    ————————-

    We can have JF call in and school. Plus tell Mike the new CBA isn’t the reason they are cutting payroll.

  262. blake March 26th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Jerkface says:
    March 26, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    This comment section may know more about the CBA than MLB itself.

    I don’t think anybody has ready it but the lawyers that drafted it

  263. pat March 26th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Hal: “No thoughts at all about selling the Yankees. There have been no discussion at all about that.”

  264. Mike Ri March 26th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    HAL IS ON !!!!!!!! BEAST MODE

  265. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    LGY March 26th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    2013: Beltran, Melky, Pierzynski, David Ross, Eric Chavez = $34.5M

    2013: Youkilis, Wells, Ichiro, Hafner = $34M

    —————–

    LOL, now can we do the version that has Cespedes…?

  266. pat March 26th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Hal: “We are committed long term as a family to continue to own the Yankees”

  267. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    That’s funny if you think that a buyer wouldn’t still pay through the nose if the Yankees were above 189 million.

  268. FiretheUMPIRE March 26th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    As if the value of the most recognized iconic brand in the world hinges on plus or minus 189. Just so f’n funny.

  269. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    If the Wells trade cannot provide a credit then its just a straight up bad deal.

  270. pat March 26th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    McCulloughSL
    The Yankees schedule calls for a man named “Wells” to wear No. 56 and take BP today

  271. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    If the Wells trade cannot provide a credit then its just a straight up bad deal.

    —————–

    Can it at least cost $0 in 2014?

    I don’t like the deal even with the credit but if we’re paying one cent in 2014 so help me god I will take this blog down a road of doom and gloom we have yet to breach.

  272. Mike in Harrisburg March 26th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    It’s funny, every so often some of Hal’s inflections remind you instantly of George. Eerie.

  273. bruceb March 26th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Hal: “We have to see how these young players do this year.”

    What young players?

  274. Carly March 26th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Hal mentions the Pineda

  275. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    I don’t like the deal even with the credit but if we’re paying one cent in 2014 so help me god I will take this blog down a road of doom and gloom we have yet to breach.

    Well at 0 in 2014 he is likely to just be DFA’d and forgotten about, without the credit it puts more of the ‘value onus’ on 2013, in which case they’re paying 13 million for Vernon Wells…

  276. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    ‘We have to see how the young players do this year’ ? ? ?

    ==============

    Does he even know WTF is going on with his own roster ? ? All the ‘rocking chair’ signings ……

  277. UnKnown March 26th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Blah Blah Blah. Mike might as well start talking about the Giants or something.

    Hal does sound very defensive to me, for whatever that is worth.

  278. Mike Ri March 26th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    HAL — Veron will have rebound year !!!

    I just picked up Veron off he waiver wire on my fantasy baseball team !

  279. Carly March 26th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Hal does sound very defensive to me, for whatever that is worth.

    QFT, and whiny.

  280. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg March 26th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
    It’s funny, every so often some of Hal’s inflections remind you instantly of George. Eerie.

    ——————————

    Yes it happens from time to time.

  281. blake March 26th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    pat says:
    March 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    Hal: “No thoughts at all about selling the Yankees. There have been no discussion at all about that.”

    Can we talk you in to it?

  282. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Is Hal using PEDs now too ? He is delusional …..nitwit !

    ‘Give the fans a great team to watch’ …………..maybe he has been ‘nippin’ this morning.

  283. pkyankfan69 March 26th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    UnKnown March 26th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Hal does sound very defensive to me, for whatever that is worth.
    ——————————————–
    Completely agree

  284. blake March 26th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Hal probably still thinks Betances needs to step up

  285. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    UnKnown March 26th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Blah Blah Blah. Mike might as well start talking about the Giants or something.

    Hal does sound very defensive to me, for whatever that is worth.

    ——————

    Hal and Cash don’t like being called on the carpet. Cash was defensive with Russo yesterday.

  286. Against All Odds March 26th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    “Going to have to navigate with young position players over the yrs but he is pleased with the young pitching”

  287. pkyankfan69 March 26th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Hal didn’t sound to trilled when he mentioned the Yankees trading away A-Jax and Montero.

  288. Deal With It March 26th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg March 26th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    It’s funny, every so often some of Hal’s inflections remind you instantly of George. Eerie.

    ===========

    Voice similarities too, yes, eerie.

  289. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Well at 0 in 2014 he is likely to just be DFA’d and forgotten about, without the credit it puts more of the ‘value onus’ on 2013, in which case they’re paying 13 million for Vernon Wells…

    —————

    Yeah, true. I didn’t think Bud would let the Yanks get a credit only because Google told me after some quick searches that there’s not been a precedent set for gaining credit under the new CBA.

    Maybe I’m just a bad Googler though.

  290. Chip March 26th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Here’s my issue with this winter – and feel free to let me know if you agree or not – for the first time in a long time the Yankees seemed just confused and overwhelmed.

    They have three goals: Win, draw fans, lower payroll but seemed completely dumbfounded about how to accomplish all three at the same time and worse, seemed unable to prioritize needs and juggle multiple priorities.

    Why did they have to re-sign Andy before dealing with 3b or C? Was there any worry that Andy was going to sign somewhere else? He was either going to sign with the Yankees or retire and if he retired, then you still weren’t going to replace him with any of the top pitchers on the market if you went outside at all.

    When you see the role players who were available at the end of winter in 2012 coming off the board before Christmas, why wasn’t there an adjustment to say, “hey we need to take care of this so we aren’t left without a chair when the music stops” in this case winding up with Juan Rivera and Dan Johnson instead of Scott Hairston and even Nate Schierholtz.

    That, to me, is the most damning thing, the “we’re not there yet” response that Cashman always gave about the catching market or the bench – “we’re not there yet.” I know he doesn’t like to overreact either to injuries or trends in the market, but there’s a middle ground between overreacting and the indifference which Cashman showed this winter.

    He remarked several times that the players who were available didn’t interest him or didn’t make sense to him that no one was interested in making trades – there were several trades made and none that I would say were terribly one sided that Cashman can point to and say “highway robbery!” He just sat on his hands.

    And at some point it dawned on the front office that with Alex out and a farm devoid of talent at the very upper levels of the minors that he would have to make moves. And this is where the “drawing fans” part comes into play. They reached for names…Youkilis, Ichiro, Hafner, Wells…names that once had cache; far more than Keppinger, Hairston, Schierholtz do…and while I think that Youk and Ichiro will be really good and that if he’s healthy so will Hafner – they aren’t what the team needed. The Yankees don’t need name players, they need players who are still making a name.

    To rehash – if I had been running the Yankees this winter I would have done the following:
    1. Signed Josh Hamilton. He is insurance againt Cano asking for a nut job contract. I would much rather have him for 5 years than Cano for 9.
    2. Traded for Mike Morse and Kurt Suzuki. Morse doesn’t impact the long term plans of the budget and adds a potent RH bat at DH. Suzuki isn’t great but he’s a solid catch first catcher who offers more offense than Cervelli and Stewart.
    3. Traded Granderson and Hughes probably Cano too. If you want to rebuild and win then you need to minimize your rebuilding time. The best way to do this is by trading players you’re not going to be able to keep for young players who are coming along and under team control.

    For Granderson I would have asked the Rangers for Mitch Moreland and David Murphy.
    For Hughes I would have been happy with a solid 3b prospect like Noland Arrenando from the Rockies. For Cano I would have shot for the moon and if I didn’t get it, I would keep him.

  291. bruceb March 26th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    I hope Kay asks some tougher questions than Mike did because that interview told us very little we didn’t already know.

  292. jackamir March 26th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Hal needs a personality infusion….He is all business and I get that he lacks the drive to provide a perennial winning team.

  293. Jerkface March 26th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Yeah, true. I didn’t think Bud would let the Yanks get a credit only because Google told me after some quick searches that there’s not been a precedent set for gaining credit under the new CBA.

    Maybe I’m just a bad Googler though.

    Its never been applicable.

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