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Random thoughts on a Wednesday morning

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few random thoughts on this Wednesday morning…

• I know it’s unusual, especially for Joe Girardi, but I think he’s doing the right thing if he sticks with three consecutive lefties at the top of the order. It should chance once Derek Jeter is healthy, but for now, I can’t see a viable alternative to Brett Gardner – Ichiro Suzuki – Robinson Cano. There’s no right-handed hitter who’s a better fit at the top. Could make a case for Youkilis in the No. 2 spot, but with so many power hitters gone, the Yankees need him in the middle. And I wouldn’t trust Eduardo Nunez up there just yet. Not strictly for the sake of splitting left-handers.

• I was talking to one of the Yankees position players two days ago and he was raving about how good Boone Logan has looked this spring. I know he hasn’t pitched much because of that elbow issue, but this player said Logan’s been spotting a lot of fastballs and throwing a really good slider.

• Here’s an unexpected event that happened when Vernon Wells walked into the Yankees clubhouse yesterday: He went quickly to shake hands with David Phelps, who he clearly knew by name. Turns out, Wells and Phelps got to know one another a little bit after Wells hit a home run that was the first hit Phelps ever allowed in the big leagues.

• Doubt Lyle Overbay would be in Yankees camp if Dan Johnson were having a decent spring. Before all the injuries, Johnson had some chance of making the team as an Eric Chavez type (left-handed corner infielder off the bench), then he had a great chance to make the team as a first baseman to replace Mark Teixeira. But Johnson has more errors than hits this spring, and his slim chances of making the team must have disappeared with the Overbay signing.

• If I had to guess right now, I’d guess that Overbay, Juan Rivera and Brennan Boesch will each make the team. I would not be stunned to see Ronnier Mustelier make it ahead of one of those guys, but if I had to make a guess right here, right now, I’d guess Musty will open in Triple-A.

• If I were the one making the decision, I think I would carry Mustelier ahead of Rivera.

• Out of curiosity, I looked up Abe Almonte’s numbers in Mariners camp. He got into four big league spring training games with a total of two at-bats. Speaking of former Yankees in other camps, Eric Chavez is hitting .343/.351/.543 for the Diamondbacks … Chris Dickerson is hitting .297/.409/.514 for the Orioles … Justin Maxwell is hitting .167/.250/.389 for the Astros. … Jesus Montero is hitting .405/.450/.730 and Raul Ibanez is hitting .340/.377/.700 for the Mariners. … Nick Swisher is hitting .426/.500/.638 for the Indians. … Russell Martin is hitting .143/.286/.229 for the Pirates.

• The fact Chris Stewart caught CC Sabathia last night makes me think we’ll see Stewart behind the plate on Opening Day. That said, I still expect Francisco Cervelli to get the bulk of the playing time. Maybe Cervelli catches Hiroki Kuroda, Ivan Nova and Phil Hughes while Stewart catches Sabathia and Andy Pettitte?

• I still can’t figure out the David Adams decision. That’s a real puzzle to me. 

• Speaking of the Adams decision… If the Yankees have already reached the point that they’re releasing a legitimately promising young infielder, what’s going to happen this weekend when the Yankees have to add at least two and maybe three or four players to the 40-man?

• Could the 40-man crunch basically make the Yankees pitching decisions for them? Phil Hughes and Clay Rapada are both expected back fairly quickly, so why replace them with someone not already on the 40-man? The Yankees could carry Adam Warren as a long man until Hughes comes back, and carry Shawn Kelley or Cody Eppley until Rapada comes back. Not sure it’s worth losing another Adams-type prospect just to carry Vidal Nuno for a week.

• Can’t reveal my vote until the award is announced, but the beat writers voted a for the Dawson Award just a few days ago. The award goes to the best rookie in camp, and the two favorites were Nuno and Mustelier. Who would you have picked?

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444 Responses to “Random thoughts on a Wednesday morning”

  1. MTU March 27th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Chad-

    You aren’t the only puzzled by the Adams move.

    And I agree with you. If I were in charge Mustelier would be on my ML roster getting playing time.

    All these unfortunate injuries, as well as the predictable delays, have sent the Yankees scrambling to fill holes.

    Some of their moves are, shall we say, puzzling.

    Thanks for all your hard work.

    :)

  2. NYYROC March 27th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    JMO, but I think they drop Rivera.
    vs LHP Musty @ 3B, Youk @ 1B
    vs RHP Overbay @ 1B, Youk @ 3B

  3. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Chad, excellent ST coverage. Much obliged.

    The Dawson Award clearly goes to the Yankee FO.

  4. Yankee Trader March 27th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “If I were the one making the decision, I think I would carry Mustelier ahead of Rivera.”

    Chad

    If you took a vote on the blog here, you would find the same sentiment.
    Other than Jeter and Mustelier, is there another righty bat who can hit to the opposite field consistently?

  5. MTU March 27th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    morning YT.

    How are things ?

  6. UnKnown March 27th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/da....._226456580

    Jays look to have raised their Ticket prices. Secondary market has been effected as well.

    “The result of Toronto’s influx of talent is a great rise in average ticket prices on the secondary market. According to secondary market ticket aggregator, TiqIQ, the Blue Jays currently sit as the No. 3 team with the highest average ticket price in 2013 ($100.99). The only two teams with a more expensive secondary market average ticket price are the Boston Red Sox ($118.72) and Detroit Tigers ($111.72). “

  7. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Saw the news about Adams last night… Wells better hit 25+ HRs this year.

  8. GoldGlove9486 March 27th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I’d have to give the award to Nuno. An ERA less than 1.00 for a guy no one had really heard of before this year.

  9. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Tough choice but I’d go with Nuno.

    And the 40-man crunch is definitely going to determine the final roster. So, no Nuno and no Mustelier.

    And we need to stop giving our players nicknames. It’s the kiss of death. Individually or as groups.

  10. MTU March 27th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Chad-

    What’s the word on Adams being able to re-sign w the Yankees.

    Does he have to pass thru waivers first ?

    TIA.

  11. GoldGlove9486 March 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Question for ANYONE and EVERYONE. I’m going down to DC on Friday. Will they just take their 25 heading to NY or bring a bunch of guys that are heading for Scranton, which starts on 4/4?

  12. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    DavidWaldstein Just saw the great Luis Tiant and his son Daniel at breakfast. #Loooo
    ____
    Should we sign Luis? About the right age and you can never have enough pitching.

  13. Yankee Trader March 27th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Morning MTU.

    Good morning all. Wells might not hit those 25 homers, Shame. He stated that he’s working on trying to drive the ball the other way. His “spray” chart from last year at Angels Stadium showed him to have little ability to drive the ball to the opposite field. Perfect recipe for failure against the Rays and Orioles who use the “Shift” routinely.

  14. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Friend of mine invited me to Mets Opening day last night in which I wasn’t aware that both teams open in NY on Monday. My counteroffers was that he buys me food during the game, to which, he politely declined.

    I have a feeling that Mets can’t give away their tickets.

  15. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Good to see Austin back in the Mi lineup, and as per Norris looks like Flores is with the big club today.

    Josh Norris @jnorris427 15m
    Austin back in lineup today, Heathcott sits. Rondon starts for Trenton.
    ____
    Josh Norris
    Also looks like Chris Stewart is here today. Farnham and Higashioka are with MLB.

    Josh Norris
    Besides Hughes and Nova, Cervelli and Aardsma will be here today. No Flores today either, he’s with MLB.

  16. MTU March 27th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Time to walk the Mops.

    Catch you all later.

  17. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Morning. YT, yes, Wells’ spray chart indicated no bombs to RF.

  18. austinmac March 27th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Did anyone read anything about yesterday’s games with the minor league guys?

  19. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    austinmac, yes, meaning what?

  20. Yankee Trader March 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Not impressed with Rivera’s defense at first-cannot pick balls thrown to him on a hop.
    Unless Over

  21. PacoDooley March 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 9:05 am
    Chad, excellent ST coverage. Much obliged.

    The Dawson Award clearly goes to the Yankee FO.
    ————————–
    Great laugh to start my day –

    I would vote for Nuno.

  22. Yankee Trader March 27th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Unless Overbay shows that he can’t play defense I think he’s on the opening day roster and Rivera is out.

  23. Yankee Trader March 27th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    My vote would go to Nuno. Impressive inning last night getting out of a jam created by an error .

  24. sunny615 March 27th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Look – it’s Old Timers Day… every. single. day…!

  25. Yankee Trader March 27th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Have to go.

    Have a great day all.

    Predictions for bench subject to change at any time :)

    With Overbay as the starting first baseman and Cervelli
    The catcher and Nunez at SS, the bench will be:
    Stewart
    Boesch
    Nix
    Mustelier

  26. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Josh Norris@jnorris427 1m
    To all asking about Adams: I expect #yankees to make every effort to re-up him. It takes two to tango, though, and he could find better opp.
    ______

    Let’s hope so. Otherwise makes no sense. Adams, Cayones and Sneed for Wells… plus got Cayones in the AJ deal.

  27. joecembrale March 27th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    As Larry Stone wrote in the Seattle Times a few years back, a failed medical exam of Adams held up the Yankees’ attempt to acquire Cliff Lee in 2010. “I had him,” Cashman said of Lee, until the Mariners found that Adams had what turned out to be a fractured ankle. When Cashman refused to replace Adams with Eduardo Nunez or Ivan Nova, Texas jumped in with a deal centered around Justin Smoak. The change of events not only kept Lee from going to the Yanks, but also prevented catcher Jesus Montero from going to Seattle (for the time being).

    Petty Cashman?

  28. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Chad,

    Hopefully you’ll get a chance to ask Cashman about the Adams move for all of us.

  29. austinmac March 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    YF,

    I was just wondering if anyone did anything of note in the minor league games yesterday?

  30. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    The Adams Debacle shows once again that Hal and Levine have Absolutely NO Longterm Plan. And we got people on this Blog that prefer draft picks to signing free agents? NOT with these Donkeys at the controls.

  31. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    fem – If I’m Adams, I’m going to try to land with a team that might actually play me. Not sure they’ll be able to keep him. :(

  32. pc March 27th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    if juan rivera makes the roster the old strategy of vets over rookies is back, even vets that don’t measure up and thats sad for the rooks and the fans.

  33. RadioKev March 27th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am
    fem – If I’m Adams, I’m going to try to land with a team that might actually play me. Not sure they’ll be able to keep him.
    ——–

    Well, the Yankees might have played him if he stayed healthy. I don’t think he could get a starting job anywhere right now, as he’s behind most guys this spring.

  34. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Doreen,

    Humberto Sanchez was released in April and re-signed in May, so I think he must have cleared waivers in the time in between. :)

    I’d vote for Mustelier for rookie in camp, because he has played more than Nuno. But I would take Nuno as a fine candidate as well!

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 27th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Long time no see! Anyway, not sure whether this was reported here or even considered newsworthy. The Sux announced they have lowered their prices on field food (that’s no stadium!) for the month of April. They’ve lowered beer prices by either $1 or $2 and “fenway franks” are now buy one get one free.

    This is the field that was sold out in perpetuity, right? You might think our ownership is weak but can you imagine having Mo, Larry, and Curly? And don’t forget Curly’s the one who’s been in cahoots with Slimy Bud and Leperous Loria since they managed to take down the Expos. And they also now own a soccer team. Divided loyalties much?

    ************

    You know. I look at a lineup that has Ichiro, Youkilis (never said he couldn’t play ball), Vernon Wells, and Travis Hafner and I get a little bit of a rush. Even throw Overbey in there. Not one of you here can guarantee me that these players are all over the hill and have nothing left. Maybe they all ignite something in each other! While we are waiting for guys to heal and get back, the one thing you know about the fill-ins is they know how to play the game. You have to believe that to a player they are thrilled to be in pinstripes. Rather than hang crepe, why not try to get excited about the possibilities?

    It doesn’t mean I don’t understand the upset or disappointment lots of fans are feeling. I do. I had hoped for some youth movement, with our kids front and center. But you know what they say you should do when life gives you lemons – if indeed life has given us lemons!

    Or to quote George Bernard Shaw: “Some men see things as they are and say why – I dream things that never were and say why not”

    Why not indeed!

    :)

    Back later with the prediction chart.

  36. St. Pete Yankee March 27th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    As a spring training season ticket holder and a MLB internet package subscriber, I’ve seen almost all the games this spring, Though a big Mustellier fan, I would still vote for Nuno —-narrowly. Nuno has been one of the very best pitchers in camp and can throw all four pitches. Ronnier has hit the ball hard to all fields, but it’s his need to improve his defensive skills that made the difference in my mind.

    They will both probably start at Scranton (where Ronnier can play in the field every day and Nuno can be a starter every five days), but it will not be long before they are called up.

  37. joecembrale March 27th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    I am all for giving the kids a shot over the vets, but I felt all along that Juan Rivera is a profession hitter who hits behind runners and gets hits with RISP. Something that this lineup will need if we are going to score runs this year. Don’t understand Overbay or to a lesser extent Wells.

  38. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Maybe we’re overreacting to Adams – but I agree with Chad. If the Yankees would sooner release him than the junk pitcher that they picked up yesterday or Eppley/Aardsma then you have to wonder what they’re going to do about getting some combination of Overbay/Rivera/Mustelier/Nuno and Nix onto the roster.

  39. Mike Ri March 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Whats the facination with Adams ??

    All I see is a—- Injury Plagued second baseman (09 ,10 ,11) with little power…… .Damn some of you sound like we cut ties with Ernie Banks.

  40. UpState March 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    “…Mike Trout’s agent Craig Landis says that his client is unhappy with having to move from center field to left, according to DiGiovanna…”

    Well….Mr. Landis – make sure you call Mr. Cashman upon your client’s free agency – I think we might be able to give him some real estate that he’d like ….

    ….please call….

  41. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Career .295 .378 .448 .825 in the minors 10% walk rate 15% K rate. This is the kind of guy that projects to be an average or above average hitter in the majors.

    Losing him is 1 thing. Losing him for vernon wells because your 40 man is a disaster is another. Much like the Justin Maxwell DFA or the Kontos trade, its not so much about the exact player being lost but by the process.

    Adams is a guy who was protected on the 40 man 1 year ago despite all his injuries so clearly the Yankees thought he was worth protecting.

  42. Deal With It March 27th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Yankee Trader March 27th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Unless Overbay shows that he can’t play defense I think he’s on the opening day roster and Rivera is out.

    ————

    So then the $ 100,000 they had to pay him yesterday is out the window ?

  43. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    The Yankees don’t have many guys near the top of the system who you can imagine will handle major league pitching. Adams is 1 of the few.

  44. Frankg March 27th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Regarding the release of David Adams, the Yankees did this a few years ago with Humberto Sanchez. It is a move to save a space on the 40 man roster. Humberto was released and then re-signed immediately with the Yankees on a minor league contract. It is a pre-arranged deal. The player goes along with it because he wants to stay with the Yankees, especially since he has been injuryed so much and feels he owes the team something.

    He may also re-sign at more money by going along with the move.. Not sure if the Yankees would have DFA’d Adams and took a chance of losing him, although now is a good time since many teams are solidifying their rosters with what they have on hand.

    Sanchez:

    April 25, 2009: Released by the New York Yankees.
    May 1, 2009: Signed as a Free Agent with the New York Yankees.

    http://www.baseball-reference......hu01.shtml

  45. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    The latest move aside – it is not a lack of desire by the Yankees to play Adams. He had been hurt. He had a really good finish to last season. They sent him to AFL. He came into camp with a legitimate shot to get a bench spot. His back betrayed him. Before this move, he was going to play 3rd base for them, albeit in SWB to start the season.

    One of the things that consistently happens here is we assign all this “thinking” (for lack of a better word) to the Yankees that are assumptions on our part. It’s sometimes conspiracy central here.

    I do want to know what they actually were thinking, however, in making this particular move. For those of you more familiar with who is actually on the 40 man, who would you consider to have been more expendable (not including Otero, Kelley or Aardsma, just for the sake of argument)? This is a serious question, not sarcasm or snark.

    I suspect that people who don’t follow the minor leagues closely care at all about who was released. Though I imagine that even the most casual fan was scratching their head at getting Vernon Wells at this stage of his career.

    (I do think there is someone in that Yankees front office who has a list of every player who ever did well against the Yankees, and that is a go-to list for backfilling the team. George himself was guilty of it.)

  46. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Mike Ri March 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am
    Whats the facination with Adams ??

    All I see is a—- Injury Plagued second baseman (09 ,10 ,11) with little power…… .Damn some of you sound like we cut ties with Ernie Banks.
    ——————–

    He doesn’t hit for power but he has hit for tremendous average and on base whenever he’s been healthy. It’s true that he has been injury plagued but when you look at the organization they’re pretty thin in terms of quality infielders at the upper levels. Adams has the ability to be one.

    You’re probably right in that we are making a little too much out of this but when you consider how many blah relief pitchers the Yankees have on the 40 that seems the more logical place to make your cuts.

  47. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Doreen -

    I would have cut Ortero, Aardsma and Eppley before Adams.

  48. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Meanwhile, Mike Trout’s agent Craig Landis says that his client is unhappy with having to move from center field to left, according to DiGiovanna.

    Seriously, the kid had a great year but it was only one year and he’s already complaining about his contract and now where he’s playing on the field?

  49. MTU March 27th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    “but when you consider how many blah relief pitchers the Yankees have on the 40 that seems the more logical place to make your cuts.”

    This.

    ;)

  50. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Chip -

    Yeah, but figuring the Yankees won’t cut pitchers if they can help it, who else?

  51. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Regarding Adams, all you gotta do is look at Russo with Detroit. The guy ain’t gonna stick, but he’s showing he IS MLB worthy. Add Dickerson and Maxwell, and it’s conclusive that we got Clowns running this organization.

  52. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Chip -

    Re: Trout, my reaction exactly. (However, that’s his agent talking, so grain of salt – he’s worth more $ as a CF, right?)

    Can it be the Yankees think they can always trade pitchers, but injury-prone (to other organizations) infielders not so easily?

    I don’t know…

  53. MTU March 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Doreen-

    There is no good reason the Yankees should not be willing to cut some of the chaff from the ranks of relievers.

    They are more fungible than just about anything.

  54. UpState March 27th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Bobby Kennedy:
    “Some men see things as they are and say why – I dream things that never were and say why not”

    George Bernard Shaw:
    “Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.”

    RFK’s tribute to the original Shaw quote…..equal props

  55. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    MTU -

    One would think so.

  56. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    austinmac, there weren’t actual stories, just tweets. Betances threw 10 pitches, then twisted his ankle; I am awaiting an update.

  57. mick March 27th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Meanwhile, Mike Trout’s agent Craig Landis says that his client is unhappy with having to move from center field to left, according to DiGiovanna.
    ====================================
    When is he a FA?

  58. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Josh Norris @jnorris427 12m
    From what I hear this AM, the Adams release was indeed procedural and they certainly would welcome him back if he so chooses.

  59. ac1 March 27th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    It’s increasingly clear that because of this roster messing the 40, there is no way the Yankees can put their best 25 on the starting roster. They will have to make decisions based on that issue. Nuno to aaa, who knows what else and who else gets released in the process. These guys are supposed to be the cheap future stars and they are released in exchange for 1 month substitutes…

    Still want someone to show me how we get nix, musty and either overbay or Rivera on the roster since it is clear they value bullpen crap like otero, eppley and rapada over our future.

  60. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Who ever thought we would be trying to find roster spots for the likes of Overbay and Rivera? Have at it, but I don’t have a stake in any one of these players being on the roster. I will passively watch from afar. I couldn’t care less who wins out in this group of cast offs.

  61. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:21 am
    Chip -

    Yeah, but figuring the Yankees won’t cut pitchers if they can help it, who else?
    ———————

    The way the roster is constructed – the only non pitchers on the 40 who aren’t expected to break camp with the Yankees are:

    Melky Mesa
    Austin Romine
    Zoilo Almonte
    Corban Joseph

    I could see Mesa getting cut but not the other three.

    If what Josh Norris is tweeting is correct – that there’s a handshake that the Yankees will re-sign Adams then no harm no foul.

    That said, I would still cut Aardsma, Ortera, Eppley and replace them with Mustelier, Nix and Overbay – I want Francisco on the roster too – to get him there I would just put Tex on the 60 day DL

  62. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Not much to choose from aside from pitchers, it looks like.

    I do ask why Adams and not Melky Mesa?

    I also ask, isn’t Michael Pineda on the 60 DL? If not, can’t he be moved there? He’s not going to pitch until June, if all goes well, correct?

  63. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Saying something is “procedural” is BS. You evaluate talent and proceed from there. There is NOTHING “procedural” about cutting a guy.

  64. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    The roster I looked at did not indicate Pineda was on the 60-Day.

    I can’t see why they can’t cut Ortera, either. I mean, they didn’t even have him up until a couple of days ago. Are the pitching ranks thin in the minors?

    I’m not sure about Eppley myself; I was hoping Aardsma could show something, but he hasn’t been very impressive. I wonder if the Yankees just want to take this to the wire.

  65. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    If the Yankees decided to not make any other roster moves to get players on the 40 – here’s the team you would break camp with:

    Gardner – CF
    Ichiro – RF
    Cano – 2b
    Youk – 1b
    Hafner – DH
    Wells – LF
    Cervelli – C
    Nunez – SS
    Joseph – 3b

    Bench: Boesch, Stewart, Mesa, Almonte

  66. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Well, maybe they evaluated on a different scale. You may not agree with the scale they use, but I seriously doubt they put names in a hat and pulled one out (I hope).

  67. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    The pitching ranks aren’t thin in the minors; Cash is just obsessed with fringy RP. They are a dime a dozen.

  68. Frankg March 27th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Humberto Sanchez:

    April 25, 2009: Released by the New York Yankees.
    May 1, 2009: Signed as a Free Agent with the New York Yankees.

    Also, Sanchez was flat-out released, not DFA’d. His inability to stay healthy caught up to him. The Sheffield trade hasn’t worked out too well. Sanchez was the key to that deal. They also got Anthiny Claggett and Kevin Whelan.

    http://forums.nyyfans.com/show.....z-released

  69. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Chip, Joseph will never likely play 3B for the Yankees.

  70. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Rotation:

    CC, Andy, Kuroda, Phelps, Nova

    Pen: Logan, Joba, Aardsma, Rivera, Robertson, Warren, Kelley

  71. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 10:36 am
    Chip, Joseph will never likely play 3B for the Yankees.
    —————–

    Probably not – but he’s the only other infielder on the roster.

  72. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Is Boesch even healthy enough to play?

    Something’s gonna have to give.

    ***

    And it could be they evaluated Adams’ likelihood of passing through waivers versus other players and figured with the back problems this spring and other injury history, he’d have a good chance at getting through unclaimed.

    Look, I’m just trying to point out that whether they’re correct or not is disputable, but I won’t give over to the idea that they are completely willy-nilly.

  73. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    yankeefeminista -

    It sure would appear so (about the attachment to fringy RP).

  74. Frankg March 27th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Prior to the game, the Yankees made a slew of roster moves, which included placing pitcher Brian Bruney and third baseman Cody Ransom on the disabled list. Pitcher Mark Melancon and Berroa also had their contracts purchased from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and righty Humberto Sanchez was released.

    http://waswatching.com/2009/04.....-a-yankee/

  75. MG March 27th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I don’t know the Yankees reason for releasing Adams before a bunch of other guys that will go in the next few days but they must have a list and are doing things in an order they feel is appropriate.

    Just calling them stupid or idiots isn’t an answer to this question, there has to be something else-there are too many guys getting paid to evaluate all of this for it to just be stupidity.

    In my mind Adams is just another prospect who hasn’t played a single game above AA and who has injury issues.

    It’s a big jump from AA to the majors and a very small percentage of prospects successfully make that leap.

  76. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Chip, his D and the Yankees general D until(if) we get regulars back is/will be difficult to watch. We have decent D at 3-4 positions, the rest is pretty terrible.

  77. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Yea, and they evaluated Wells and Overbay also. Stacking the roster with guys that couldn’t crack the starting lineup of their previous team, while at the same time cutting Kids from the 40 Man, is flat-out Dumb.

  78. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am
    Is Boesch even healthy enough to play?

    Something’s gonna have to give.

    ***

    And it could be they evaluated Adams’ likelihood of passing through waivers versus other players and figured with the back problems this spring and other injury history, he’d have a good chance at getting through unclaimed.
    —————–

    That was likely a factor – and possibly the reason they did it now was because they figured that as he played more games teams would have a better chance of evaluating and the odds of keeping him dropped.

  79. mick March 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    What use does Rivera have?
    With Overbay, Youk is the BU1B with Musty at 3rd.
    Francisco is the 4th OF and he will get cut when Grandy is back.
    Why they paid him the 100k is beyond me?

  80. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 10:43 am
    Chip, his D and the Yankees general D until(if) we get regulars back is/will be difficult to watch. We have decent D at 3-4 positions, the rest is pretty terrible.

    ——————

    Yup.

    Like I said,

    Cut Aardsma, Rapada, Ortera, Eppley and DL Tex. Add Nix, Francisco, Mustelier, Nuno and Overbay and go with:

    Gardner – CF
    Ichiro – RF
    Cano – 2b
    Youk – 3b
    Hafner – DH
    Wells – LF
    Overbay – 1b
    Cervelli – C
    Nunez – SS

    Bench: Nix, Stewart, Mustelier, Francisco

    Rotation:
    CC
    Kuroda
    Andy
    Nova
    Phelps

    Pen: RHP: Joba, Kelley, Robertson, Rivera, Warren
    LHP: Nuno, Logan

  81. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Yea, cut Adams and take on Wells and a chunk of his salary for 2yrs? NOPE

  82. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    It’s not flat out dumb.

    The only “kid” that made a glowing impression in spring is Mustelier (position player, that is). The others had their weaknesses exposed.

    Granted, the Yankees have a predilection for veterans over youth, and I wish it was a little more balanced. But they did not sign anyone to a long-term contract (though Ichiro and Wells have 2-year contracts) that would block some of the more promising players that are at least one year away.

    And you have to remember, they have a lot of holes to cover at the beginning of this season. You can cover a hole or two with a non-top-tier rookie, but I think you look at things differently when there are as many positions to be filled as they Yankees have right now.

    the only player out now of Jeter, Tex and Grandy that is assured for coming back sooner rather than later, IMO, is Grandy. Tex is a major questions mark, and in my mind, Jeter is at least a medium one.

  83. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Doreen -

    I know it’s hard – but ignore Donnybrook. He’s trolling and doesn’t actually have a clue.

  84. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    I don’t think they needed to take on Wells. But they did. So you have to go from that point.

  85. Doreen March 27th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I usually do, Chip. LOL

    Guess I’m “talkative” this morning. Should be out doing errands. Gonna have to run soon.

  86. MG March 27th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Everyone who thinks Wells is done has an interesting ally-Vernon Wells

    He’s quoted as saying he’d gotten away from what made him good and spent the winter working on fixing it.

    Essentially, the guy in his uniform the past few years is being replaced (albeit at 34 years old) by a guy who seems recommitted to being a quality major league player.

    I don’t know if that will result in good results (his swing looked pretty short and quick last night) but that’s a more worth gamble than Andruw Jones even if the price (salary, not prospect because Adamas being released had nothing to do with Wells, it would have happened anyway) for Wells for 2013 is pretty steep,

  87. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    The holes exist because the Yankees lacked a contingency plan, as per usual. They act as if the regulars won’t get hurt, although the history shows otherwise. This goes back to last year and assuming Alex’s health would sustain(fool me twice…) and that he was still a middle of the order bat. The Yankees cite injuries as the cause of this need to fill holes, but age predicts injury and the Yankees twiddle their thumbs rather than having a younger more multi-dimensional bench (see Ibanez filling in and needing to play the OF far too many times last year). Other teams make deals to get younger if they can’t integrate mlb-ready players. The Yankees are content to plug holes with not in their prime players. They need to learn to do business differently and more efficiently.

  88. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    MG -

    I truly hope that Vernon’s new/old approach and a kick in the rear end help him become the player he was a few years ago. If that’s the case then that’s great! Especially with Granderson moving on after this season.

  89. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....are-83993/

  90. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    - CHIP -
    You have my permission to NOT respond to my posts.
    There is also the $$$ involved in the Wells add\Adams cut. This is just a BAD move on numerous levels. Hal was handed this job, and whether he wanted it or not is irrelevant. He is dragging the crown jewel of Sports Franchises right into the crapper.

  91. Chad Jennings March 27th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    MTU March 27th, 2013 at 9:14 am e
    Chad-

    What’s the word on Adams being able to re-sign w the Yankees.

    Does he have to pass thru waivers first ?

    TIA.

    —-

    Yes, Adams has to pass through release waivers before becoming a free agent.

  92. mick March 27th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Why would you add Nuno now. The 2nd lefty? That’s not needed now.
    Let him throw in the minors as a starter, which he is. A lefty starter.
    Spence has looked good if you really need a lefty specialist.

  93. MaineYankee March 27th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Doreen

    Granted, the Yankees have a predilection for veterans over youth

    ——————————————————————————-

    I think that is common with many of the teams that are vying for the PO.

    That is a common complaint I hear from RS fans as well as the media.

  94. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Angels manager Mike Scioscia doesn’t think that his club’s bench necessarily took a step back by losing Wells, writes MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez. Because Wells is accustomed to starting over the course of his career, Scioscia doesn’t believe that he was going to get into a rhythm without consistent playing time.

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    He is dragging the crown jewel of Sports Franchises right into the crapper.
    ///

    “This ‘fool’ is not altogether fool.” ;)
    -King Lear

  96. mick March 27th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Hal is paying Wells 11.5 this season and 2.4 next year.
    Get it?
    Next year he is free and will join Ichiro in the OF with Gardner.

  97. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:04 am
    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/…..are-83993/
    ——————

    It’s essentially what we’ve all been saying.

    There are two issues – a lust for relief pitchers with MLB experience and the fact that because the Yankees are so slow in developing their prospects they have a lot of players that they want to protect from the Rule 5 draft (Jose Ramirez, Francisco Rondon) that they have to put on the 40 before they’re at a place where they can contribute.

  98. MG March 27th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Here is my take on why the Yankees would release Adams last night instead of waiting:

    I would assume that any team wanting to claim Adams would have to put him on the 40 man roster at the same time that most teams still have guys on minor league contracts in camp plus other prospects that need to be promoted as well.

    At the end of the weekend it would be easier to move one guy off and put another guy on but right now most, if not all teams, have a logjam and aren’t going to replace one of their guys with a AA prospect who hasn’t played all spring because of a bad back when they still have a bunch of other moves to make.

    That’s my take, it doesn’t have to be yours-for those of you who want Adams in the system, if he winds up back in Scranton then you have to give the Yankees some credit.

  99. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:07 am
    Angels manager Mike Scioscia doesn’t think that his club’s bench necessarily took a step back by losing Wells, writes MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez. Because Wells is accustomed to starting over the course of his career, Scioscia doesn’t believe that he was going to get into a rhythm without consistent playing time.

    ————————–

    On the other hand, Scioscia isn’t sold on Peter Borjous as an everyday option in CF.

  100. jacksquat March 27th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    mick March 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am
    What use does Rivera have?
    With Overbay, Youk is the BU1B with Musty at 3rd.
    Francisco is the 4th OF and he will get cut when Grandy is back.
    Why they paid him the 100k is beyond me?

    They may be planning to use Rivera as the 4th OF.

    Bench could be Rivera, Nix, Mustelier, Stewart. That gives them a lot of versatility.

    Rivera OF/1B, Nix 2B/3B/(SS/OF), Mustelier 3B/OF.

    Initially vs. LHP they could play Rivera at DH, Mustelier at 3B, Youk at 1B. Overbay 1B and Hafner DH would be platooning, Wells and Ichiro would not (just rest days).

  101. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    We hear how the Yanks are gonna fund their $189 Mill quest by using cheap young talent. Then, all the sudden they take a 180, and cut Adams, while taking on the salary of an over-the-hill player like Wells, and look-see Overbay. NO DIRECTION outta the FO.

  102. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    MG -

    I agree with your take. I also think that they chose to release Adams now because he hasn’t played much this spring which means teams haven’t had time to look at him and evaluate if he’s over the back injury. If you wait until the end of the week, that’s more time for him to be scouted and increases the chances of him getting claimed.

  103. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    jack-

    The problem for Rivera is that he’s being out played by both Francisco and Mustelier – he just doesn’t deserve to make it.

  104. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    The Royals announced that they have acquired outfielder Desmond Henry from the Rangers to complete the November deal that sent Tommy Hottovy to Texas. The deal called for KC to receive a player to be named later or cash considerations.

    Henry, 19, was the Rangers’ fourth-round pick in the 2011 draft and signed with the club for $200K. The switch-hitting outfielder boasts tremendous speed and has the potential grow into a strong defensive player.

    And you know who the Yanks drafted in the fifth-round in 2011 draft? Bird-Bird-Bird, Bird is the word, Greg Bird-Bird-Bird, Greg Bird is the word :)

    Proves my Dad’s point, you just never know with those drafts, but they sure are fun to follow :)

  105. mick March 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    They may be planning to use Rivera as the 4th OF.
    =================================
    Then they are cutting Francisco for Rivera.
    Either will get cut when Grandy comes back and Rivera hasn’t played the OF for most of ST.

  106. Bo knows March 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    I’m still waiting for another ten games or so but what I saw from Wells yesterday was quite encouraging. His hands are still quick and if he backs off a bit on the wahoo stroke, the Yankees might have something. He needs to go oppo as he did in his youth. If he does that a lot of good things would fall in place.

    Now if Granderson comes back as his ’11 self rather than September ’12 we could be in business.

    In the immortal words of Bujold “Let’s see what happens”.

  107. jacksquat March 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    I don’t know that I would take Francisco over Rivera just because of the spring though. Plus I have to admit Rivera does get bonus points from me because he is a former Yankee (but I still wouldn’t take him over Mustelier).

  108. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Rivera, Wells, and Overbay. “Back To The Future”.

  109. mick March 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Hafner is also liable to be the f/t DH.
    Mustelier can DH Opening Day if not.

  110. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Naturally, I believe every Dawson award should go to Tyler Austin until he no longer qualifies because he rocks :)

  111. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    jacksquat March 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am
    I don’t know that I would take Francisco over Rivera just because of the spring though. Plus I have to admit Rivera does get bonus points from me because he is a former Yankee (but I still wouldn’t take him over Mustelier).
    —————-

    I wouldn’t take him just because of the hitting – but Francisco is also a better defensive outfielder than Rivera is and that’s what you need from your 4th OF.

  112. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    On the other hand, Scioscia isn’t sold on Peter Borjous as an everyday option in CF.
    —–
    Bourjos clearly has the D to play center, I can only assume the Angels prefer the combo of him, trout and hamilton over the one with Wells in it as everyday player.

    Unfortunately, we don’t even have Bourjos at the upper level. I will wait and see if Wells is worth the marginal upgrade at his cost. My guess is no.

  113. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Mick–

    Opening day against Lester I DH Wells and play Francisco in LF with Gardner and Ichiro.

  114. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Rivera, Wells, and Overbay. “Back To The Future”.

    But wouldn’t it be “Back to the Past.” In the movie, Marty McFly is already in the past, and he tries to work with Doc to get him back to the future, meaning return him to status quo, and not keep him in the past.

  115. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    My opening day lineup against Lester:

    Gardner – CF
    Ichiro – RF
    Wells – DH
    Cano – 2b
    Youk – 1b
    Mustelier – 3b
    Francisco – LF
    Nunez – SS
    Stewart – C

  116. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    If it’s my call, I keep Fransisco as the 4th OF’er and let Rivera and Overbay GO. Musty gets his shot at 3B, and Youk goes to 1B. Youk is absolutely HORRIBLE at 3B. He’s The Tin Man over there.

  117. mick March 27th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Chip-
    He might go with Rivera at 1st.
    I would DH MUsty . Wells is the starting LF.
    That’s why they got him. He needs the minutes.

  118. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Mick

    He might – I just wouldn’t.

    I think that against RHP you put Overbay at 1b, Youk at 3b, Hafner at DH and Wells in LF

  119. mick March 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    watch him go gardy ichi cano 1-3 vs the lefty…

  120. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    mick March 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
    watch him go gardy ichi cano 1-3 vs the lefty…
    ——————–

    He might do that too – but I would put Wells ahead of Cano and get Vernon some fastballs to swing at.

  121. mick March 27th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he DH’ed Hafner.
    He’s coming in for the 1st righty they bring in and you would lose whoever the starting DH was anyway.
    See how HaFner does against a lefty.

  122. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Josh Norris @jnorris427 56s
    Dellin Betances did some side work and PFPs today. Guess he’s OK.
    ___
    Good to hear.

    Pruf, sounds like Rondon’s won out as one of Trenton’s starters, so no AAA bullpen for him. I’d guess then Stoneburner too may revert back to a RP.

  123. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I have no doubt CC would toe the mound when asked, but is he ready after so few innings in ST? rather, is it prudent? this team will win 70 games without him.

  124. mick March 27th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    maybe 1/2ner becomes full ner.

  125. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Josh Norris?@jnorris4272h
    Austin back in lineup today, Heathcott sits. Rondon starts for Trenton.

    Exciting. Rondon being converted with his fastball and slider! Jealous of everyone going to Trenton to see that team play this year!!

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:28 am
    Josh Norris @jnorris427 56s
    Dellin Betances did some side work and PFPs today. Guess he’s OK.
    ___
    Good to hear.

    Pruf, sounds like Rondon’s won out as one of Trenton’s starters, so no AAA bullpen for him. I’d guess then Stoneburner too may revert back to a RP.
    ///

    Yeah, good to hear, hope he still is slated for OD.

    Stoneburner doesn’t really have the pitches to start so not surprising.

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Carly March 27th, 2013 at 11:31 am
    Josh Norris?@jnorris4272h
    Austin back in lineup today, Heathcott sits. Rondon starts for Trenton.

    Exciting. Rondon being converted with his fastball and slider! Jealous of everyone going to Trenton to see that team play this year!!
    ///

    Carly, weren’t you a big Stoneburner fan?

  128. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    @BaseballAmerica

    BA Talent Rankings: 1. Cardinals, 2. Mariners, 3. Rangers, 4. Rays, 5. Marlins, 6. Red Sox http://ht.ly/jt3dR

    How is the Sox system that good?! Really???

  129. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Shame, interesting because they are mostly lower level players, but BA’s analysis comes from a few in house Sox scouts. We should be in top 5-6 next year. Not that BA’s rankings mean much.

  130. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Shame, that is IF Cash doesn’t deal off a haul for Matt Garza. ;)

  131. blake March 27th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    “Yes, Adams has to pass through release waivers before becoming a free agent.”

    so JF is right again….

  132. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Carly, it isn’t exactly the same, but you can follow Trenton on MiLB-tv.

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:35 am
    Shame, interesting because they are mostly lower level players, but BA’s analysis comes from a few in house Sox scouts. We should be in top 5-6 next year. Not that BA’s rankings mean much.
    ///

    I am looking forward though to seeing if Matt Barnes is the goods. He looked pretty impressive on video.

    Somebody here – maybe Ron? – saw him at U. Conn.

  134. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I am starting to think that there will be a spot available for Austin in the 14 OF, also, he actually might be ready by then around mid season.

  135. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Cash, probably the cold vs. lack of innings is C’s somewhat caveat. Hopefully, OD’s weather will be good. I believe they are predicting mid-50′s.

  136. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    After the $$$ shelled out for Wells, gotta wonder what young talent Theo wanted for Soriano?

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Jealous of everyone going to Trenton to see that team play this year!!
    ///

    Seems we already knew this about you ;)

  138. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Yeah the ‘lower level players’ part was what made me go ‘huh?’ because I think our lower level guys look…well.. pretty freakin’ awesome.

    blake – JF is always right. LGY is right as long as he isn’t trying to map out the playoff schedule :twisted: . I never get to be right, but seeing as how you’re married with kids I assume we’re in the same boat.

  139. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Pruf, yeah, interested in seeing Barnes as well. We get Portland in back to back with the Fisher Cats at the end of April. #Rock on.

  140. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    The Sox are going to be ranked high because Bogarts and JBJ and a few of their other guys are close to impacting the majors.

    We’ll be there when Austin, Heathcott, Flores, Mason, and Sanchez crush this minor league season.

  141. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    When the Scranton OF is full of guys that project as above average major league regulars we’ll be a top 3 system, no doubt.

  142. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I am starting to think that there will be a spot available for Austin in the 14 OF, also, he actually might be ready by then around mid season.

    ———–

    The kid’s a beast. I think he has a shot at being a starter/4th OFer in 2014 right out of the gate if things go well for him this year.

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am
    Pruf, yeah, interested in seeing Barnes as well. We get Portland in back to back with the Fisher Cats at the end of April. #Rock on.
    ///

    Hope he pitches, if he’s even in AA this year. Those two teams always seem to hit, too, so that’ll be interesting from our own pitching point of view.

    btw, did you see Donnie’s tweet last night about a grounder “going through Pirella’s legs”? :)

  144. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 11:42 am
    When the Scranton OF is full of guys that project as above average major league regulars we’ll be a top 3 system, no doubt.
    —————–

    Assuming that they’re not traded off

  145. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Assuming that they’re not traded off

    Well if they make that far atleast then we could trade each of them straight up for a Pineda

  146. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    The kid’s a beast. I think he has a shot at being a starter/4th OFer in 2014 right out of the gate if things go well for him this year.
    ///

    I have a feeling this lineup is going to need some reinforcements later on this season.

    If Austin’s ripping it up, he should go straight from AA to the majors. Flores is going to hit the crap out of the ball too, and impose himself at some point.

  147. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    From the little I have seen, He is a compact and short swing, his ability to drive to ball rf with authority shows me his advance approach and bat control. There is little doubt to me that he is the most advance and best hitter we have in the system. Some might have higher ceiling but he could actually come quickly.

    Chip, RE moving prospects up slowly. I agree with you on that. However, Yanks seem accelerate that pace a tad with the bunch in tampa. Whether they are force to do so because integrations of youth is a dire must in years coming I don’t know.

  148. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Jap, How is Florence’s defense?

  149. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Pruf, yes, saw that: Pirela doing his thing. Hopefully, we don’t have to witness his fielding for too long at Trenton.

  150. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 11:46 am
    Assuming that they’re not traded off

    Well if they make that far atleast then we could trade each of them straight up for a Pineda
    —————-

    Pitching is the key to the kingdom

  151. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    I have a feeling this lineup is going to need some reinforcements later on this season.

    If Austin’s ripping it up, he should go straight from AA to the majors. Flores is going to hit the crap out of the ball too, and impose himself at some point.
    —————-

    It’d be cool to get to see some of them.. IMO, as long as the D is (at minimum) average there’s no reason not to give him a shot. But I doubt we see either this year.

  152. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Pitching without offense to support it is the key to nothing.

  153. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
    Pitching without offense to support it is the key to nothing.
    —————-

    HOW DARE YOU BRING LOGIC TO MY OBJECTIVE PIPE

  154. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    “The pitching ranks aren’t thin in the minors; Cash is just obsessed with fringy RP. They are a dime a dozen.”

    yf

    Because it’s always about this year with him. Adams could help more over the next three, but they will worry about the future in the future. That’s why they will spend, for example, the value of Cespedes’ entire contract this year on aging veterans who may or may not help them win this year rather than on a younger player with tremendous upside at a position of need.

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:50 am
    Jap, How is Florence’s defense?
    ///

    What I’ve seen, which is a few games at the end of the Eastern League season and in playoffs (plus in Lakewood in 2011), he’s not a plus defender, but adequate enough. I think he could handle RF fine. He isn’t as athletic, say, as Almonte, but he doesn’t seem to take the same kinds of chances. I’ve seen him play LF. I think luis saw him play CF in Venezuela.

  156. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    yf

    Because it’s always about this year with him. Adams could help more over the next three, but they will worry about the future in the future.
    ///

    Eppler admitted this was the reasoning with Chamberlain.

  157. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    My bad, Flores, thank for the info Jap, I am intrigue by his bat and OBP skills.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Cashmoney, his plan is always to find a pitch to drive. Don’t think I’ve ever seen him not take a first pitch. Really great at getting ahead and then patiently looking for his pitch. Gorgeous swing and surprising power.

  159. jacksquat March 27th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    The minor league ranking takes a hit in part because Banuelos had TJ and is rehabbing. When/if he gets back where he was, then that alone would boost the ranking a little. The OF continuing to hit at AA would also help of course.

  160. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Rich, and block out bats that may potentially help us until they are overripe or traded. I think Cash is traumatized by his former pitching woes when even paying out top dollars for RP’s didn’t spell relief. Steve Karsay says hello.

  161. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    “Eppler admitted this was the reasoning with Chamberlain.”

    Pruf

    I didn’t read that, but it’s obvious. It’s possible that Cashman hates doing business this way and that the directives that he exectuess come from the top, but he and his staff cash the checks, so they are accountable.

    It’s the best thing that could happen to the rest of the league because it further erodes the Yankees’ (shrinking) payroll advantage.

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 27th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    “Just calling them stupid or idiots isn’t an answer to this question, there has to be something else-there are too many guys getting paid to evaluate all of this for it to just be stupidity.”

    I think that’s probably a good mantra for this forum in general. Anytime a move is made which disagrees with someone’s philosophy of what the Yankees should be doing, it’s the front office that’s stupid or idiots. You know what they say about pointing a finger.

    What remains to be seen this – will the Yankees make the postseason this year, making it what, 18 out of the last 19 years? I’m saying yes, but we shall see. If they do, maybe they still have a lot more savvy than they’re being credit for having.

  163. Warning Track Power March 27th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Hello All-Been awhile since I have posted here.
    Saw some of the game last night via MLB Network. Despite all the runs C.C. gave up, most important is getting his work in.
    Mo was only hitting 88 MPH. That concerns me slightly.
    Hardest thrower last night was Joba at 94 MPH. Again, concerned about the lack of “power pitchers” in the pen.

  164. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    The minor league ranking takes a hit in part because Banuelos had TJ and is rehabbing. When/if he gets back where he was, then that alone would boost the ranking a little. The OF continuing to hit at AA would also help of course.

    Campos making it through a full season and Hensley having a strong year will help too. Jose Ramirez blossoming into a top 100 prospect would be cool too.

  165. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    yf

    I have a hard time believing that Cashman doesn’t like to spend big bucks, but even the bucks being spent aren’t being spent wisely.

    We are now hearing all this talk about Wells’ new swing. Hey, great. Maybe he can find something, and if he was available for a mL deal, it might be worth a shot.

    But the idea that if he hits some people will be eating crow is nuts.

    Spending $13m to find out if his new swing will work is an unreasonable use of their resources.

  166. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 27th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Open for changes or additions. Please put my name in the post if you want to change/add. Changes and additions will be taken up to first pitch of the Ys first game of the season.

    PREDICTIONS FOR 2013

    Tomingeorgia – 94
    Blake – 89
    Shame Spencer – 92
    Trisha – 97
    Tackleberry – 91
    Munson – 93
    4 NYY – 89
    Austinmac – 88
    RMS -91
    Joeman – 90
    Bruceb – 86
    Nilsson – 94
    Yankee21 – 89
    Ghostwriter – 93
    Felix Unger – 84
    Cashmoney – 87
    Vineyard Yankee – 86
    Luis – 89
    Deal With It – 82
    Comet – 79
    Oscar Madison – 82
    MaineYankee – 80
    RadioKev – 91
    Niblick – 81
    Newyorkfanforever – 95
    Mike_Boston – 92
    Big Al – 93
    David in Cal – 88
    Utility Man – 92
    Jmills – 95
    ac1 – 91
    Baby Ruth – 85
    Charlestonchew – 87
    Sammiejohnson – 85
    r115 – 94
    GregD – 90
    Bobby Murcer – 86
    Blutarsky – 78
    Chip – 92
    Joeman – 85
    The Straw – 93
    bardos – 83
    Yankee Trader – 88
    massjake – 91

  167. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Trish, If I tie Chew at 87, do we automatically engage in personal duel to see who gets the candy?

  168. Warning Track Power March 27th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Trisha-I want to play

    93 wins please!

  169. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    I was reserving judgement but Joba has looked very, very good this spring.

    Is he dying that mustache…? He’s gotta be.

  170. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    shame, porn stars who throws 94 mph don’t have worry about that.

  171. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I agree the Yanks system could easily be top 5 this time next year if certain players take steps forward and other get healthy…..that’d be really cool ….especially since you hear daily by know nothings on TV and Radio how barren then Yankees system is.

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I didn’t read that, but it’s obvious. It’s possible that Cashman hates doing business this way and that the directives that he exectuess come from the top, but he and his staff cash the checks, so they are accountable.

    It’s the best thing that could happen to the rest of the league because it further erodes the Yankees’ (shrinking) payroll advantage.
    ////

    Rich, Cashman seems to jump into things with a kind of sophomoric glee, and when they don’t work instantly, he does a complete about face. He seems equally, naively entranced with this whole “pitching wins” thing. He basically comes on with that tongue in cheek thing he now does regularly, but it’s a bluff for lack of convictions and a thin skin, I would say. Yes, it sure doesn’t help us that we have a “leader” who huffs and puffs and then just falls in line once outcomes don’t immediately show themselves to be favorable.

    Here’s the Eppler responses to WFAN on Joba:

    With Joba though, I do believe he could (emphasis his) be a starter. You know, I think just in the environment that we’re in, and you know, you’re trying to break with with the twelve best. And that’s not to say the other clubs aren’t trying to do that. I think if we were in a different setting, different situation, you might see Joba Chamberlain in the rotation.”

    Is there a situation where he starts again this year? I’m under the assumption that, he’s the eighth inning guy, and that’s it. The Joba debate is over. He’s a reliever. I know he could start for a few teams, I mean, he could start for my team, the Mets…”

    Billy Eppler-” Yeah — in the here and now, I don’t feel I don’t foresee any situation. I mean, obviously that’s for Brian and Joe, but but I don’t think they (emphasis his) foresee a situation where he would go into the rotation. He is going to be a reliever. And obviously we’ve seen what he’s been able to do and role, and he’s been able to be very dominant in that role — I don’t foresee situation where he would be be starting at all.”

  173. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    88 win average, seems about right for an over under at this point

  174. Frankg March 27th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Chad,

    You said earlier that Adams had to be DFA’d before he could be released. Then why did the Yankes say he was released? Was he previously DFA’d? I think they know the difference between the two. The MLB website states he was released.

    Have you checked with the team or MLB?

    Thanks

  175. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    You said earlier that Adams had to be DFA’d before he could be released. Then why did the Yankes say he was released? Was he previously DFA’d? I think they know the difference between the two. The MLB website states he was released.

    When you release a player you designate him for assignment. When you designate a player for assignment you have 2 options: release outright or assignment to a minor league team (And players with a certain amount of service time can refuse to be assigned)

  176. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    A Player who is in the status of a “designated player” under Major
    League Rule 2(k) shall, during the period he is in such status, be
    (1) paid at the rate of his Major League salary and
    (2) credited with Major League service.
    A Player who is in the status of a “designated player” under Major
    League Rule 2(k) shall be unconditionally released or his contract
    assigned within 10 days after he is placed in the status. A Club must
    request the necessary waivers in a time frame that will allow it to
    unconditionally release or assign the player within the 10-day period.

  177. Warning Track Power March 27th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    I was reserving judgement but Joba has looked very, very good this spring.

    Is he dying that mustache…? He’s gotta be.
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Singleton can not stop talking about how well the mustache looks.
    I could care less. I care more about Joba getting his breaking ball over for a strike.
    The ball that Laird smoked to right center was a terrible pitch. Had him 0-1 and Joba proceeds to throw a “spinner” to home plate. Those are the type of pitches he must permanently stay away from throwing.

  178. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Pruf

    It will hurt if Joba is an effective starter for another team; it will hurt a lot.

    Cashman isn’t stupid. He knows that he hasn’t been able to execute the plan he outlined years ago. That leaks out when he talks.

    And they do seem value pitching over balance, but the importance of the here and now is almost certainly an order from the top.

  179. austinmac March 27th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Shame,

    The Red Sox traded their expensive players for prospects. That’s how they significantly improved the system. What a concept!

  180. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    I think Adams’ needs a new agent if he didn’t know this

  181. jacksquat March 27th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    If Joba is going to do the mustache thing, he should go full Goose.

  182. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    The Red Sox system is legit….it probably is top 10 right now to be honest…..I think the Yanks could be better a year from now though

  183. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    88 win average, seems about right for an over under at this point

    —————–

    I was just doing the calculation myself.. we seem pretty evenly split between people guessing above 90 wins and below 90.

    No one is penciling this team in below .500, though.. so much for the doom and gloom. ;)

  184. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    I think Adams’ needs a new agent if he didn’t know this

    Norris says he represented Chipper Jones, to that I say he probably never had to worry about Chipper being unconditionally released :) Like I said yesterday, there may be some loophole regarding waivers (though I doubt it), but for the player being unconditionally released is by far the best thing. Gives him all 30 teams as a possible landing spot on a minor league deal.

  185. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    “I was reserving judgement but Joba has looked very, very good this spring.

    Is he dying that mustache…? He’s gotta be.”

    It’s fake; it is the give away mustache from Jason Giambi mustache day. I can’t remember what year that was, but I have mine still, and Joba apparently still has his. :)

  186. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    austinmac March 27th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Shame,

    The Red Sox traded their expensive players for prospects. That’s how they significantly improved the system. What a concept!

    ————–

    Ah, I did forget about all the players they got back in those deals… it just seems like they have a couple really high end guys. I like to think of their talent as being concentrated in a few players and I like to think we have a lot of guys that at minimum could be average big league players.

  187. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    No one is penciling this team in below .500, though.. so much for the doom and gloom
    —–
    read again, Shame.

  188. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 27th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Cashmoney, I am in such a magnanimous mood, and so sure that the Yankees are going to have a very good season, that I have decided that in the case of a tie, I will pay out however many times I have to! No splitting of the pot, no tiebreaker. Candy all around.

    :D

  189. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    I dunno if he dyed it or if he’s using eyeliner… (guys do this)….

  190. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    JF,

    like you said yesterday…..it sorta makes sense that players would always have to go on waivers because otherwise teams would be just releasing players all the time and trying to sign them back to try to solve their 40 man issues……I’d guess he will have to go through waivers and I’d also bet that somebody claims him…..hopefully not.

  191. pat March 27th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    darrenrovell
    Most valuable MLB franchises according to @Forbes: 1. Yanks $2.3B, 2. Dodgers $1.6B, 3. Red Sox $1.3B, 4. Cubs $1B

  192. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    and the Yankees are on a budget…..lol

  193. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Cash – Is anyone below 81 wins..?

  194. tucker March 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    If I am Adams, I would sign with an organization that gives young players a chance. If anything, this offseason proves the Yanks do not trust their current crop of non-pitching minor league players to play at this level right now.

    Certainly Adams has been a health risk. He had a terrible ankle injury and more recently a balky back. But the guy can hit MLB pitching right now. Just watching him in AFL last year — I said the same thing about Mustelier during AFL two years ago — the guy can hit and is above replacement level right now. I’d much rather see Eppley released. Makes no sense unless something horrible is in those medicals. If I’m Adams, there is no way I would give this an organization that does not trust rookies a handshake agreement to resign.

  195. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Thanks Trish :D
    it’s a fun exercise. I remember when Erica and Doreen used to do GTTL.

  196. ac1 March 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    With Joba though, I do believe he could (emphasis his) be a starter. You know, I think just in the environment that we’re in, and you know, you’re trying to break with with the twelve best. And that’s not to say the other clubs aren’t trying to do that. I think if we were in a different setting, different situation, you might see Joba Chamberlain in the rotation.”
    __

    Also because of the 40 man mess, no way they take the 25 best players.

  197. Jerkface March 27th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Cash – Is anyone below 81 wins..?

    Comet

  198. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Drat!! MaineYankee – 80.

    Still, I’d say despite the tone most of us are still feeling pretty good about our chances. The division is wide open.

  199. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    I still think the Yankees will make the playoffs…..

  200. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 27th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    I will put the prediction chart in descending order and post it. Unfortunate for me that I didn’t do it as an excel spread sheet to being with!

    :mad:

  201. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Shame, Trish caps the upper bound at 97… Tarsky bottoms out at 78.

  202. jacksquat March 27th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    MaineYankee – 80
    Comet – 79
    Blutarsky – 78

  203. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Wouldn’t it be funny if some of the guesses are coming from the same person..?

    Hmmm… maybe I should pad my chances at winning that candy….

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    And they do seem value pitching over balance, but the importance of the here and now is almost certainly an order from the top.
    ///

    Rich, on Michael Kay’s ESPN Show the other day, there was that canard of a debate again: win now or later?

    What no one seems to question is that old players don’t guarantee “winning now.” The fact that this goes unchecked allows the Yankees to continue this dinosaur model as if they have no choice:

    How in the world does it fly that allowing your lineup to get old put them in a better position to “win now”?

    For example, with the pitching staff they have assembled, how in the world would Montero, Melky Cabrera and Austin Jackson in the lineup have stalled a “win now” imperative?

    These things get so dumbed down, they lose their meaning, but entire arguments defending the way the Yankees do things lately subscribe to the compulsory implementation of this “win now” tact.

  205. pat March 27th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    I still think the Yankees will make the playoffs…..

    me too.

  206. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    What’s amazing about comet and Blutarsky’s guesses is that I read them both 3-4 times and each time saw 87/97.

    They did think I wad dyslexic for most of my grammar school career lol, true story! Thank god I’m not an accountant..

  207. ac1 March 27th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    me three

  208. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    …and my point is well illustrated in last year’s team fooling no one of perception that it was capable of “winning now” (which means either gaining or winning the World Series).

    That team was further away from “winning now” than the 2011, and 2010 teams.

  209. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    on Michael Kay’s ESPN Show the other day, there was that canard of a debate again: win now or later?

    —————-

    That’s easy: Both.

    What a silly debate… :D

  210. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    This is a great shirt:

    @baldvinny

    Here is your sneak peek at the new Jeter shirt #SuperCaptain http://instagram.com/p/XXhuxMuea6/

  211. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    “on Michael Kay’s ESPN Show the other day, there was that canard of a debate again: win now or later?”

    That’s why, as I have said, even though I am high on the value of the farm system in a year, will they be willing to endure the development process in the ML that is required for most prospects not named Jeter? It could cause they to lose a bunch of games, and that is at odds with the win the WS every year thing.

  212. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    on Michael Kay’s ESPN Show the other day, there was that canard of a debate again: win now or later?

    —————-

    That’s easy: Both.

    What a silly debate…
    —————
    Begs the question of why you were listening to that butt clown in the first place.

    There is absolutely no programming other than game broadcasts worth a damn on ESPN or ESPN radio any more.

  213. Bo knows March 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    What budget? 230 mil? Now that’s a budget.

    Oh and Wells is being paid 13 mil this year by the Yankees. Agenda anyone? Next year is free.

    I kinda doubt Wells will not revert to pull the FB only. But if you see him rip an outside pitch to RF, it might be a Eureka moment.

    The Yankees are scrambling, well yeah. They have one player from last year.

    Let’s at least give it a week.

  214. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    “on Michael Kay’s ESPN Show the other day, there was that canard of a debate again: win now or later?”

    That’s why, as I have said, even though I am high on the value of the farm system in a year, will they be willing to endure the development process in the ML that is required for most prospects not named Jeter? It could cause they to lose a bunch of games, and that is at odds with the win the WS every year thing.
    —————–

    It’s business – the Yankees don’t believe they can wait for prospects to develop and raise ticket prices each year and they very much want to raise ticket prices.

  215. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 27th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Okay, hope this posts right!

    Trisha 97
    Newyorkfanforever 95
    Jmills 95
    Tomingeorgia 94
    Nilsson 94
    r115 94
    Munson 93
    4 NYY 89
    Ghostwriter 93
    Big Al 93
    The Straw 93
    Warning Track Power 93
    Shame Spencer 92
    Mike_Boston 92
    Utility Man 92
    Chip 92
    Tackleberry 91
    RMS 91
    RadioKev 91
    ac1 91
    massjake 91
    Joeman 90
    GregD 90
    Blake 89
    Yankee21 89
    Luis 89
    Austinmac 88
    David in Cal 88
    Yankee Trader 88
    Cashmoney 87
    Charlestonchew 87
    Bruceb 86
    Vineyard Yankee 86
    Bobby Murcer 86
    Baby Ruth 85
    Sammiejohnson 85
    Joeman 85
    Felix Unger 84
    bardos 83
    Deal With It 82
    Oscar Madison 82
    Niblick 81
    MaineYankee 80
    Comet 79
    Blutarsky 78

  216. joecembrale March 27th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    The wild card will be hard this year. The Astros in the AL West playing against Oakland, Angels and Rangers mean a lot of wins for someone. May have to win the division. Toronto looks great on paper but the games are played on the field.

  217. joecembrale March 27th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    91 wins sounds right.

  218. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 27th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    PREDICTIONS FOR 2013

    Trisha – 97
    Newyorkfanforever – 95
    Jmills – 95
    Tomingeorgia – 94
    Nilsson – 94
    r115 – 94
    Munson – 93
    4 NYY – 89
    Ghostwriter – 93
    Big Al – 93
    The Straw – 93
    Warning Track Power - 93
    Shame Spencer - 92
    Mike_Boston - 92
    Utility Man – 92
    Chip – 92
    Tackleberry – 91
    RMS – 91
    RadioKev – 91
    ac1 – 91
    massjake – 91
    Joeman – 90
    GregD – 90
    Blake – 89
    Yankee21 – 89
    Luis – 89
    Austinmac – 88
    David in Cal – 88
    Yankee Trader – 88
    Cashmoney – 87
    Charlestonchew – 87
    Bruceb – 86
    Vineyard Yankee – 86
    Bobby Murcer – 86
    Baby Ruth – 85
    Sammiejohnson – 85
    Joeman – 85
    Felix Unger – 84
    bardos – 83
    Deal With It – 82
    Oscar Madison – 82
    Niblick – 81
    MaineYankee – 80
    Comet – 79
    Blutarsky – 78

  219. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    “It’s business – the Yankees don’t believe they can wait for prospects to develop and raise ticket prices each year and they very much want to raise ticket prices.”

    But for waiting on Mo, Bernie, Posada, Pettitte, and even to some extent Jeter, the business model you speak of would have been worth considerably less.

    The NYG do it every time they need to, and have the most loyal fan base in NY.

    We’ll see what happens. If they aren’t willing to outspend the opposition or develop from within, this franchise will almost certainly decline.

    Hal may still get his yachts and polo ponies, but revenues will erode over time.

  220. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I never listen to ESPN radio but people tell me Kay is much more listenable when he’s not schilling for the Yanks.

  221. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    What budget? 230 mil? Now that’s a budget.
    _

    The issue isn’t the amount, it’s how it’s spent. Does anyone honestly believe that they are getting good value for their money?

  222. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    “It could cause they to lose a bunch of games, and that is at odds with the win the WS every year thing.”

    And signing over the hill vet bats can’t cause you to lose a bunch of games? I too don’t buy into this fallacy. You have the pitching, as for position players: play talent over experience if that talent is ready. Conservatism isn’t the road to winning championships, bat speed is.

  223. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “Does anyone honestly believe that they are getting good value for their money?”

    The STH obviously don’t think so. I want to pay for a young talent-laden team even if it has growing pains. That excites me I am not paying to see a bunch of old guys who can’t field. I’d rather pay $10 a ticket to see Trenton.

  224. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    LoHudYankees Mason Williams and Ramon Flores in big league camp for the day.

    :)

  225. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    “And signing over the hill vet bats can’t cause you to lose a bunch of games? I too don’t buy into this fallacy. You have the pitching, as for position players: play talent over experience if that talent is ready. Conservatism isn’t the road to winning championships, bat speed is.”

    Of course, but their payroll hasn’t been cut this year. So will they still pay Pettitte and Kuroda $27m in 2014, and will they be pitching at their 2012 level?

    If so, it could offset some offensive struggles, just like it may this season.

    But how can they go to $170 something while still paying them $27m and Cano $25m?

  226. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    yf

    STH?

  227. UnKnown March 27th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Yanks can’t just tank the first two months of the season, banking on making a run when everyone gets healthy. I think it was discussed that they need to at least play around .500 throughout the months of April and May. Maybe a few games below.

    Getting Tex, Grandy, Jeter, Michael, Alex back throughout the course of the season will definitely help, but nothing that screams rattling off 16 out of 18 games or anything. I still think they should put Tex on the 60-day just so there isn’t any temptation to rush him back.

    I would sign up right now without hesitation for one of those WC spots and take my chances in the one game playoff and the rest of October baseball.

  228. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    March 27, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    I never listen to ESPN radio but people tell me Kay is much more listenable when he’s not schilling for the Yanks.

    I have found he’s pretty annoying all the time…..he seems like he’s probably a decent guy personally though

  229. UnKnown March 27th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Fox reports last year for McCarver on the mic. Things are already looking better today.

    http://www.thebiglead.com/inde.....is-season/

  230. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    @PeteAbe: Tim McCarver will retire from the Fox booth after the season. You know who would be great? Dennis Eckersley. Flat out great.

    Replace bad with worse?

  231. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Put me down for 93 wins :)

  232. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Id rather joe buck retire

  233. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    When you say “making the Playoffs”, does that include that 1 game “elimination” boondoggle? To me, that ain’t making the Playoffs.

  234. blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    DONNYBROOK says:
    March 27, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    When you say “making the Playoffs”, does that include that 1 game “elimination” boondoggle? To me, that ain’t making the Playoffs.

    Yes….i think they are a WC team

  235. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    I thought McCarver was already retired?

    Buck is a different guy doing the NFL.

  236. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    yf

    STH?
    ___
    Season ticket holders

  237. Bo knows March 27th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    The STH obviously don’t think so. I want to pay for a young talent-laden team even if it has growing pains. That excites me I am not paying to see a bunch of old guys who can’t field. I’d rather pay $10 a ticket to see Trenton.

    ————————
    I’d be totally on board with that. Cuts in spending killed the drafts.

    Right now I’m pulling like crazy for Nunez, Cervelli and Gardner. It bothers me a lot, but I’m even pulling for Wells. I deserve good things to happen because I suffered through last year, Granderson, Teix and Martin last year flailing away. Swisher padding stats on mediocre pitching., etc. Granderson cost me a big bar bill last fall. Every at bat of his had me heading for the cooler.

  238. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    - WHICH WILL HAPPEN 1ST ???

    (1) Tim McCarver retires from the Fox booth?

    (2) Tim McCarver falls out of the Fox booth?

  239. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    “It’s business – the Yankees don’t believe they can wait for prospects to develop and raise ticket prices each year and they very much want to raise ticket prices.”

    But for waiting on Mo, Bernie, Posada, Pettitte, and even to some extent Jeter, the business model you speak of would have been worth considerably less.

    ———————-

    Yeah but when you watch the YES classics from the early 90s when those guys were developing you see Don Mattingly hitting homeruns into empty seats.

    The fear that I believe Levine has is that if you wait on Montero, Austin, Jackson, Heathcott – while you have Jeter, Alex and Tex aging then you’re going to wind up with Jeter hitting milestones and no one there to watch.

  240. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Thank, yf. And their answer is Wells @ $13, at least so far.

    I think Musty, Gardner, and Nunez can be exciting, even if uneven.

    And yeah, I will be in Trenton, not the Bronx this season.

  241. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    I agree Bo.

    I wonder if Martin is going to hit over 200 in the NL.

  242. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Chip March 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    on Michael Kay’s ESPN Show the other day, there was that canard of a debate again: win now or later?

    —————-

    That’s easy: Both.

    What a silly debate…
    —————
    Begs the question of why you were listening to that butt clown in the first place.

    There is absolutely no programming other than game broadcasts worth a damn on ESPN or ESPN radio any more.
    ///

    Chip,

    Michael Kay’s show isn’t in a vacuum; that “debate” is everywhere, with the Yankees having established the false terms in the so-called debate.

    The point is not Kay’s show, but that the terms of the debate (which is “silly” granted: also not my point at all) are deliberately misleading; the inference one is supposed to uncritically accept is that young players being integrated somehow diminishes the team’s ability to “win now,” even if the young player is, as per the Yankees, surrounded by “veteran talent,” – and capable veteran talent – to anchor it, as the team was so disposed in 2010 and 2011; making them nearly free of the kind of “risk” adding a young bat or fifth starter arm would incur; which is another reason this is so ludicrous when it comes to the Yankees.

  243. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    blake March 27th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    Shame Spencer says:
    March 27, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    I never listen to ESPN radio but people tell me Kay is much more listenable when he’s not schilling for the Yanks.

    I have found he’s pretty annoying all the time…..he seems like he’s probably a decent guy personally though
    ————————–

    I think he’s actually worse on ESPN than on YES because on ESPN he goes so far the other way to counter the notion that he’s a Yankee homer.

  244. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    JAP =

    My comment wasn’t a reflection of the issue – it was a point that Kay’s show is bad.

  245. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    “But how can they go to $170 something while still paying them $27m and Cano $25m?”

    Plus @$70m to Alex, Teix and CC. They can’t unless they get lean and mean in the OF and Romine/JR are ready to catch. And of course Cash’s Pineda dream and cost-controlled pitching (sans C and maybe one of Pettitte/Kuroda) is realized…

  246. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 7m
    I’ve learned a ton of baseball from Tim McCarver. And though you might not want to admit it, if you’ve watched him, you have, too.

    I havent learned anything from Joe Buck

  247. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    From Buster talking about the Astros

    It would be a really, really bad thing for baseball if some team made a concerted effort to lose games and then was rewarded for that, and if the strategy of losing became commonplace, without forewarning paying customers that what they are witnessing is a designed farce. It would be a really, really bad thing for baseball if this became a common strategy, with owners and general managers of multiple teams shaping their rosters in such a way that would give them a better chance for access to the top of the draft.

    Already kind of happens in baseketball, but the deterrent is there is a lottery to decide who gets the number one. Red Sox did this last year and were praised. Mets have been doing it since Sandy came in and have received one of the greatest grace periods in all of New York sports.

  248. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    “The fear that I believe Levine has is that if you wait on Montero, Austin, Jackson, Heathcott – while you have Jeter, Alex and Tex aging then you’re going to wind up with Jeter hitting milestones and no one there to watch.”

    Chip

    People are going to come to see declining veterans?

    They have no choice: outspend other teams by a lot or develop from within really well.

  249. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    I havent learned anything from Joe Buck

    My Dad an I have learned enough from Joe Buck to know to mute the game on Saturday’s when he is on :)

  250. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    It bothers me a lot, but I’m even pulling for Wells. I deserve good things to happen because I suffered through last year, Granderson, Teix and Martin last year flailing away. Swisher padding stats on mediocre pitching., etc. Granderson cost me a big bar bill last fall. Every at bat of his had me heading for the cooler.

    —————-

    LMAO!

    On a serious note, we’re all pulling for the old guys. We don’t have a choice but to hope for bounce-backs from Youk, Wells, and even Ichiro to a lesser extent.

  251. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    How would one have to wait on any of those players except perhaps Heathcott? I would trade one of my limbs to have those three players in the lineup now. Do you think what we have on the current roster makes us “win now” more? I don’t.

  252. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    My all-time McCarver favorite:

    “Giambi walks too much. He’s always clogging up the bases with all that walking.”

  253. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    because I suffered through last year

    I hope this was a joke

  254. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Teams would be stupid to lose of purpose in baseball to get high draft picks…..it’s not the NBA or NFL where you can draft a guy that immediately will start on your team…..Strasburgs and Harpers don’t come around often……#1 picks bust all the time

  255. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    nobody ever clogs the bases for the Yankees…..Tim should love calling their games

  256. willwill March 27th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Oh the days of tollison and espinoza are upon us gotta love this team….

    Can someone just blow them up already and do a firesale? I’ll take my $130 loss of MLB.tv for a rebuilding year.

  257. MTU March 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Thanks for the info. Chad.

    That settles that.

    :)

  258. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Teams would be stupid to lose of purpose in baseball to get high draft picks…..it’s not the NBA or NFL where you can draft a guy that immediately will start on your team…..Strasburgs and Harpers don’t come around often……#1 picks bust all the time

    But you get more draft pool currency now with the no. 1 pick.

    The NBA is more true with first round talent. The NFL, you can get just as important players in rounds 2 and so on than at the top of the draft.

  259. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    “on Michael Kay’s ESPN Show the other day, there was that canard of a debate again: win now or later?”

    That’s why, as I have said, even though I am high on the value of the farm system in a year, will they be willing to endure the development process in the ML that is required for most prospects not named Jeter? It could cause they to lose a bunch of games, and that is at odds with the win the WS every year thing.
    ///

    You really have to wonder; because if they’re going to make up stuff like allowing Chamberlain to be the fifth starter is going to somehow imperil a “win now” objective (which was what we were fed; he “can’t afford” to learn on the job), and that integrating one young bat at a time, even, into a thoroughly protective/insulated lineup of capable if fading star veterans (as was the case with Montero and the Yanks in 2011) also somehow is a threat to “winning now”, even though there would be no such conflict, but likely, a way to lengthen the lineup, then how in the world would these same people abide something like a radical turnover to a team of largely inexperienced albeit high upside prospects?

    I’m dubious, too!

  260. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Raise of hands for who isn’t pulling for the “old guys?”

    Thought so.

    Raise of hands of those who wouldn’t have chosen this roster as your 2013 NY Yankees?

    Thought so.

  261. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    “But you get more draft pool currency now with the no. 1 pick.”

    still not really worth throwing games I don’t think…..you can build a whole NBA team with a couple of elite players…..it takes much more and a lot of luck to build a MLB one……

  262. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    blake, not if they already have zero hope of making the playoff and it makes no difference between mediocre or sucktitude for that particular fanbase. The CBA greatly rewards losing teams as we speak, what incentives do they have it then to win instead getting a probability shot at drafting a premium talent.

  263. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    …because a radical turnover WOULD, in fact, imperil living up to a “win now” dictum.

    Of course, piling on old bones isn’t exactly going to get you to the Holy Grail, either.

  264. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    The more things change, the more they stay the same. The last time the Yanks got rid of a home run hitting catcher in favor of defense and light hitting options:

    General Manager Bob Watson and Manager Joe Torre began remaking the Yankees in their desired image yesterday, sacrificing the offense of Mike Stanley for the catching defense of Joe Girardi.

    Stanley is a free agent and, as Torre said, the Yankees had no guarantee they could re-sign him, but they obviously didn’t care to. Instead, they acquired Girardi from the Colorado Rockies for two minor league pitchers.

    It depends on what’s important to you,” Torre said when asked about the loss of Stanley’s strong hitting. “My priority is a catcher. Hopefully, we’ll have enough offense. We could make up elsewhere what we’re going to lose behind the plate.”

    In ending the three-year run of Stanley as their regular catcher, the Yankees figure to lose a lot. In that period, he batted .290, hit 61 home runs and drove in 224 runs.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11.....plate.html

  265. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    Raise of hands for who isn’t pulling for the “old guys?”

    Thought so.

    Raise of hands of those who wouldn’t have chosen this roster as your 2013 NY Yankees?

    Thought so.
    ///

    Haha. :D

  266. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    The benefit of throwing games/fielding a crappy team in baseball is simply money.

    Anyone that spins it as if it’s about draft picks is trying to divert attention from the real motivator.

  267. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    “But you get more draft pool currency now with the no. 1 pick.”

    still not really worth throwing games I don’t think…..you can build a whole NBA team with a couple of elite players…..it takes much more and a lot of luck to build a MLB one……

    Hard to get those elite players. In the NBA, tanking does not guarantee you the top pick, in baseball it does, and under the new rules, there is an incentive to get as much draft pool as possible. If you are not going to make the playoffs, better to put your resources into something else. In the NBA, you can tank and still wind up with a bad no. 3 or no. 4 pick that does not always guarantee you an elite superstar.

  268. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    “Carly”, waxing your poetics on how smart the Yankees really are?

  269. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    “It depends on what’s important to you,” Torre said when asked about the loss of Stanley’s strong hitting. “My priority is a catcher. Hopefully, we’ll have enough offense. We could make up elsewhere what we’re going to lose behind the plate.”

    Stone, you are going to compare that offense to this one? LOL.

  270. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    “blake, not if they already have zero hope of making the playoff and it makes no difference between mediocre or sucktitude for that particular fanbase.”

    what I mean is that I don’t think there is a need to like fight for the worst record or anything like that…..if you’re not ready to contend then you play young kids….attribute it to growing pains and then draft high….you don’t lose of purpose.

  271. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    “Carly”, waxing your poetics on how smart the Yankees really are?

    que?

  272. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Lol, at least they knew they had a pretty good catching prospect in the system when they went with Girardi.

  273. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Nah, you don’t throw games, but you try to trade your vets for young players. Kind of the reason why I said I was envious at the time when the Sox dealt AGon and co. last year.

  274. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    what I mean is that I don’t think there is a need to like fight for the worst record or anything like that…..if you’re not ready to contend then you play young kids….attribute it to growing pains and then draft high….you don’t lose of purpose.

    I agree, but I think the Red Sox and some others decided to do otherwise.

  275. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    JAP =

    My comment wasn’t a reflection of the issue – it was a point that Kay’s show is bad.
    ///

    Uhuh. Yeah it’s not a good show.

  276. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Torre was a great offense, not great defense catcher.

  277. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    M_Marakovits Hughes on the mound for a minor league start #yankees pic.twitter.com/sX72EXqlAJ

    :)

  278. pat March 27th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    jnorris427
    INF Jose Mojica traded to the #phillies this morning, I am told. #yankees

    for who?

  279. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Rich, NJ

    People are going to come to see declining veterans?

    They have no choice: outspend other teams by a lot or develop from within really well.
    ————————————

    I agree with you. If you want to keep raising prices then you have to raise payroll by bringing in high quality players – that’s the only way to keep butts in the seats – George understood that Hal doesn’t.

    Hal sees the numbers that say you don’t need a huge payroll to win titles and in theory he’s right – but lowering the payroll when you have so much tied up in three players; don’t trust your midlevel prospects to play and your best prospects aren’t ready to contribute is not the way to do it.

    The Yankees are with Alex where the Rangers were when they traded him. With one player taking up such a huge percentage of payroll it’s hard to maintain a budget and bring in other quality players – the difference is that the Rangers were willing and able to plug in young guys like Mike Young, Hank Blaylock, and Tex around him.

  280. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    “It depends on what’s important to you,” Torre said when asked about the loss of Stanley’s strong hitting. “My priority is a catcher. Hopefully, we’ll have enough offense. We could make up elsewhere what we’re going to lose behind the plate.”

    Stone, you are going to compare that offense to this one? LOL.
    ///

    LOL

  281. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    who is Jose Mojica?

  282. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    For a relief pitcher, no doubt.

  283. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    http://www.baseball-reference......jica001jos

  284. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Mia Farrow is hanging out with Magic Johnson as we speak… I wonder if she’s a Dodgers fan.

  285. Cashmoney March 27th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    for the record, I want AJP as the nyy catcher for 13.

  286. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    For a relief pitcher, no doubt.

    ————-

    :lol:

  287. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Rich,

    So a crummy infielder? Sounds like the makings of a blockbuster :-)

  288. Carly March 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Josh Norris?@jnorris42721m
    Tyler Austin smacks an RBI double off Janssen. Murphy preceded it with a double. #yankees @TrentonThunder

    ;)

  289. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
    who is Jose Mojica?
    ///

    One of our many failed-at-SS prospects. He was supposedly looking good early on and then had some leg injury which changed his range, etc. I can’t remember the details. Weirdly, we also have/had? a Jose Mujica.

  290. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    They should just have an open tryout for catcher… how many of us would show up?!

  291. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Well JAP – if we sent him to the Phillies maybe we’re getting Carlos Ruiz back for him :-)

  292. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Shame -

    You really want to see any of us squat?

  293. Bo knows March 27th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Torre was a great offense, not great defense catcher.

    ——————
    Yep

    Buck did the spadework on the team. Torre parlayed it. Main claim to fame – he was good with George. Glib goes a long way. After that shyster payback to the Yankees – no credit with me.

  294. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Buck Showalter on Wilson Betemit injury: Yeah that was a kick in the pants for us.

  295. nyrussintampa March 27th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Could Tyler Austin easily outhit Vernon wells if he skipped aa and aaa.?

  296. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Well JAP – if we sent him to the Phillies maybe we’re getting Carlos Ruiz back for him
    ///

    Backup catcher without the PEDs

  297. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    I’ll take Tommy Joseph from the Phils, but we’d have to give up more than Jose Mojica :)

  298. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Rich,

    The salary structure will be very interesting over the next two years.

    Hughes
    Joba
    Granderson
    Cano
    Ichiro
    Jeter
    Gardner
    Hafner
    Youk
    Kuroda
    Rivera
    Robertson
    Pettitte
    Aardsma
    Logan

    All hit free agency over the next two offseasons – no way you can retain all of them. For one thing a bunch of them will probably retire (Kuroda, Andy, Rivera, Jeter, Ichiro) and there aren’t enough good guys available year after year to replace them from outside the organization on the cheap. That means the Yankees will have to do one of three things:

    a) Forget the budget
    b) Trade their prospects for established players
    c) Trust their young players to play.

  299. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Well JAP – if we sent him to the Phillies maybe we’re getting Carlos Ruiz back for him
    ///

    Backup catcher without the PEDs
    ——————

    I can’t tell are you being serious or sarcastic?

  300. Bo knows March 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Buck Showalter on Wilson Betemit injury: Yeah that was a kick in the pants for us.

    ————-
    Buck has always been one of my favorites. A man of principle. George fired all his coaches on him, Buck quit. His record speaks for itself. He comes in, takes a forever losing team, transforms them into a winner then gets the reward of inflated egos.

  301. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Chip – At least you wouldn’t be nude. That might sound weird but I was telling JF before that I saw a lot of naked men this morning….

  302. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Well JAP – if we sent him to the Phillies maybe we’re getting Carlos Ruiz back for him
    ///

    Backup catcher without the PEDs
    ——————

    I can’t tell are you being serious or sarcastic?
    ///

    Ah, the power of the icon is matched by the power of the withheld icon.

    More like I was being ironic ;)

  303. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    “Could Tyler Austin easily outhit Vernon wells if he skipped aa and aaa.?”

    depends on if Vernon can find a 2nd wind and how quickly Austin made adjustments…..I wouldn’t say easily so no…..enough chance to save 13.9 million bucks though maybe? I think Austin could hold his own now…..he’d probably struggle some…..but Wells may struggle some too. They chose not to rush him and that’s fine…..he’s never really played at AA even….

  304. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Buck on statistical analysis:

    You better take the stats seriously, but at the end of the day you have to remember that the game is played by human beings.

    I would rather use stats to verify decisions I make with my gut than have my gut controlled by statistics.

    If a player knows that you’re only evaluating him through a printout sheet then you’re going to lose that guy. He wants to know that there’s more to you than that

    Seems reasonable.

  305. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Well JAP – if we sent him to the Phillies maybe we’re getting Carlos Ruiz back for him
    ///

    Backup catcher without the PEDs
    ——————

    I can’t tell are you being serious or sarcastic?
    ///

    Ah, the power of the icon is matched by the power of the withheld icon.

    More like I was being ironic
    ——————

    Ok, because I was about to ask why you think steroids greatly improved Ruiz but not Melky. Now we can avoid that.

  306. yankeefeminista March 27th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I’ll take the Rays’ Mujica. Kid’s got a really nice arm.

  307. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    Chip – At least you wouldn’t be nude. That might sound weird but I was telling JF before that I saw a lot of naked men this morning….

    ———————–

    Is that different from most other mornings for you?

  308. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    “Chip – At least you wouldn’t be nude. That might sound weird but I was telling JF before that I saw a lot of naked men this morning….”

    how do you know Chip wasn’t one of them?

  309. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Old Hoss Radbourn ?@OldHossRadbourn 2m
    A very belated Happy 15th Anniversary to ESPN the Magazine and all of the trees needlessly cut down and slaughtered to produce it.

  310. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Josh Norris ?@jnorris427 2m
    Another double for Tyler Austin. Ho-hum. #yankees

  311. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    I would rather use stats to verify decisions I make with my gut than have my gut controlled by statistics.

    If a player knows that you’re only evaluating him through a printout sheet then you’re going to lose that guy. He wants to know that there’s more to you than that
    ///

    This is especially true of players who are really young, approaching, or even in, their prime years.

    That’s why miL stats have to be weighed against qualitative observation, and the stats themselves also need context because these guys are always getting tweaked, pitchers and hitters alike.

  312. Northy March 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Tyler Austin – I hope is gonna be a lot of fun watching patrolling RF in the Bronx come 2014…

  313. UpState March 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Jose Mojica….gone.

    Get ready for the next big wallop !!!

    FO just preparing the parts for an ‘end-of-spring training’ surprise !

    Good luck young Jose…we’ll miss you !

  314. UnKnown March 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Last year the rough and tough Tigers won the Central with 88 wins. Sure would be nice to be able to win the East this year with only 88 wins. Probably going to take at least 93.

    88 might now even get a Wild Card spot. It didn’t last year as both the O’s and Rangers finished with 93. I figure the 2nd best teams in the West and East pound out 91 wins.

    So got to find a way to win 91. Every game is going to be huge.

  315. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Ok, because I was about to ask why you think steroids greatly improved Ruiz but not Melky. Now we can avoid that.
    ///

    Steroids cannot turn a .255 hitter into a .300-plus hitter who happens to also hit above .300 from both sides of the plate. Not happening.

  316. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Where was Betemit supposed to be playing for the O’s again..?

  317. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    JAP -

    Minor league stats don’t mean too much to me based on the level of competition. If you have a power hitting catcher (for example) who is hitting .345 with 30 HRs that looks great. But if he’s hitting .650 and 25 HRs against guys who will never sniff the coffee in a major league clubhouse then he’s probably not as good as his numbers would indicate.

  318. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    Where was Betemit supposed to be playing for the O’s again..?
    ——————–

    First base against RHP

  319. Ys Guy March 27th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    i dont think anyone in the al east is going to win 93 games this year.

    I wouldnt be surprised to see 2 or 3 teams end up with 89-91 wins.

  320. DONNYBROOK March 27th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Houston in the AL West, gives teams in that division a breather throughout the season, every time they face the Astros.

  321. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    YS Guy -

    I think the Red Sox and Os are going to be very bad

  322. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Chip – Generally, I save my nakedness for the weekends/holidays. It’s not often I find myself staring at a naked guy so unexpectedly, as I was this morning. The spring weather is inspiring New Yorkers.

    blake – I figured with all the internet access that it was unlikely Chip was a homeless guy. (Also, not sure if Chip knows that many lyrics to Queen songs, which this guy was singing at the top of his lungs.)

  323. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    I think one of the better predictors when looks at minor league stats is how consistent a guy stays as he climbs the ladder…..if a guy hits everywhere he’s been on the way up then I think that’s a good sign….kinda suggests that environmental factors are weighing in as much and that it might be more legit……

  324. Rich in NJ March 27th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    I’m pro-internet for the homeless. Pro-homes as well.

  325. Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    First base against RHP

    —————-

    Gotcha, thanks.

  326. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Shame Spencer March 27th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    Chip – Generally, I save my nakedness for the weekends/holidays. It’s not often I find myself staring at a naked guy so unexpectedly, as I was this morning. The spring weather is inspiring New Yorkers.

    blake – I figured with all the internet access that it was unlikely Chip was a homeless guy. (Also, not sure if Chip knows that many lyrics to Queen songs, which this guy was singing at the top of his lungs.)
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    Right on both counts – I am not homeless and don’t know the lyrics to too many Queen songs – except We Will Rock You.

  327. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

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  328. Bo knows March 27th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

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    Enjoy the journey.

  329. blake March 27th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    “blake – I figured with all the internet access that it was unlikely Chip was a homeless guy. (Also, not sure if Chip knows that many lyrics to Queen songs, which this guy was singing at the top of his lungs.)”

    Chip….can you recite the lyrics to “We are the Champions”

  330. Chip March 27th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

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    Chip….can you recite the lyrics to “We are the Champions”
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    Some of them, but a cold breeze on my whooha would impact both the recitation and pitch.

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    I think physically and swing wise he’s pretty much ready from what I saw this spring…..what he needs now is some time against pitchers in the upper levels….guys that have been around and know how to command the ball better and how to set hitters up. That’s the final step…..learning which pitches to swing at and learning what pitchers are trying to do to you. 2014 is realistic for him though if he has a good season.

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  338. J. Alfred Prufrock March 27th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

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    If he keeps it up, he’s going to blow the door off and they’re going to have to take notice. I am looking forward to watching him in Trenton for as long as he’s down here, which may not be long. Only got to see him play once last year, and that was his first game in AA, in which he played 1B and collected a single.

  339. Bo knows March 27th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

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    “Sam Demel was claimed off waivers from the Diamondbacks in November after a two-year stint in the desert. Demel sported a decent K% and a induced ground balls at a 50% or better clip, but wasn’t able to get his ERA (or FIP) under 4.00 at any point during his stay — likely due to his atrocious HR/FB (13.5% in ‘10 and 16.7% in ‘11). He possesses the makeup and offerings to be a high leverage reliever — even being mentioned as a possible closer in Arizona when he came over from Oakland in the Conor Jackson deal — but Demel needs to keep the ball on the ground and in the park to gain the trust from the Astros’ brass first.

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  340. Bo knows March 27th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    I think physically and swing wise he’s pretty much ready from what I saw this spring…..what he needs now is some time against pitchers in the upper levels….guys that have been around and know how to command the ball better and how to set hitters up. That’s the final step…..learning which pitches to swing at and learning what pitchers are trying to do to you. 2014 is realistic for him though if he has a good season.
    ——
    Totally agree. He did look good, with the caveat that it was ST.

  341. UnKnown March 27th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

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    With that said if it is lower than 93 I think that is at least possible to win the East again.

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