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Pregame notes: Two things about the Adams release

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 28, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Late report for the Yankees this morning, and most of the buzz in the clubhouse had to do with packing up boxes and suitcases. In terms of real news, things were pretty quiet down there, so here are two things to know about the Yankees decision to release David Adams earlier this week. One I already knew, the other has been explained to me over the past two days.

1. A released player has to pass through unconditional release waivers. This is why the release initially made little sense to me. If the Yankees were going to put Adams through waivers, why not have the chance to keep him in the remote chance that he actually clears?

2. In Adams’ case — but apparently not in every release waivers case – the player has the right to reject a claim. This is seems to be the key difference that I didn’t know 48 hours ago. There is termination pay involved and some other case-specific issues that I still don’t fully understand, but the bottom line is that Adams could be claimed, reject the claim and elect free agency.

Not surprisingly, I have  been told the Yankees would like to re-sign Adams if he becomes available.

Would a player turn down another offer to take a non-40-man gig with a team that just released him? Hard to say. Probably depends on the other opportunity/opportunities on the table. The Yankees clearly like Adams, and they took him off the 40-man strictly because of a numbers issue. Adams is a bright guy, so I am sure he realizes that the Yankees haven’t given up on him. I am also sure he realizes that the Yankees have invested a lot of time into getting him healthy, which suggests they are not going to forget about him if he is not on the 40-man.

That said, Corban Joseph still has a 40-man spot, Ronnier Mustelier has been terrific this spring, and the Yankees still have Robinson Cano, Kevin Youkilis and Alex Rodriguez (not to mention Eduardo Nunez and Jayson Nix). It is hardly a given that the Yankees present Adams with the best opportunity to reach the big leagues, and I have no idea whether they would offer the best contract.

Still pretty surprised the Yankees chose to take a risk with Adams rather than some of the other players on the 40-man, but in terms of DFA vs. release, the decision does make sense. If the Yankees were confident Adams would be claimed — which, surely they were – they were better off giving themselves a fighting chance that Adams would elect free agency and decide to come back.

• The Yankees starters for the final two exhibition games: Andy Pettitte on Friday, Adam Warren on Saturday.

• Lyle Overbay is not in the lineup, but he’s still here. I fully expected him to start at first base today, but I’m not sure it means much that he’s not. The Yankees are clearly still looking at Rivera as well, and they’re already well aware that Overbay can handle the position defensively.

• Joe Girardi doesn’t talk to the media before home games in spring training, so I haven’t had a chance to ask why Ichiro Suzuki is getting a turn in center field. I do wonder, though, if it’s an indication that Ichiro will open the season as the Yankees backup center fielder, which would seem to eliminate Melky Mesa (not that I considered him a favorite anyway).

• Mark Teixeira is meeting with the doctor on Monday to determine whether he can take off his splint and begin exercises with his wrist. That should explain why he’s going north.

• As far as I could tell, there were no real roster clues in the clubhouse. Everyone seems to be still in camp — definitely saw guys like Dan Johnson, Ben Francisco and all of the one-the-fence relievers — and no one fringy players were talking about getting apartments in Scranton. It seems the final decisions will wait until the weekend.

• No second string players listed today. Reegie Corono and Chase Whitley are among the guys up from minor league camp for the day.  

Today’s scheduled relievers: Cody Eppley, David Aardsma, Boone Logan, Juan Cedeno and Jim Miller.

• The Yankees are flying to D.C. after today’s game.

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62 Responses to “Pregame notes: Two things about the Adams release”

  1. Frankg March 28th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Chad,

    Thanks for getting to the bottom of the Adams’ release. It’s getting to look more and more like the prearranged release-resign on minor league deal that I initially thought it was. The Humberto Sanchez transaction was probably similar. Smart move on Yankees’ part.

    Frank

  2. tucker March 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Probably in Adams’ best interest to see what else is out there. They want to lock up Cano long term, and ARod still has another five years with the Yanks. This team has not demonstrated the willingness to go with young players. If healthy, Adams would likely get a shot sooner with another organization. He has to look after his own interests. That makes the Yanks decision all the more puzzling. Should have cut Eppley.

  3. blake March 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I still don’t get why they wouldn’t just release one of the garbage relievers they have on the 40 man instead…..

  4. Stottlemyre68 March 28th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Thanks, Chad! Now it starts to make sense, especially if the Yanks already have an understanding in place with Adams and if it’s unlikely that another team would claim him for a 40-man spot given his injury history.

    I think it’s always worth remembering that Cashman doesn’t share very much of what he’s planning (beyond what’s already obvious) and usually has a reason for what he’s doing (whether or not we agree with his reason). That’s not to say that he’s perfect, but he’s a very good poker player and part of his game is that he doesn’t tip people off on his strategy and that he’s very patient. He also may have to go to extremes to fight off the Yankees’ reputation from the George days that they would go into a panic over a perceived need and could be forced to bid against themselves based on George’s impatience to get something done yesterday.

  5. jacksquat March 28th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Either they have already made a decision on Overbay, or they know he can field and aren’t interested in watching him hit against a lhp. That may mean Rivera is making the team as 1B/OF, or the longshot chance Mustelier is making the team and Youkilis will play 1B vs lhp.

  6. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    blake March 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I still don’t get why they wouldn’t just release one of the garbage relievers they have on the 40 man instead…..

    ——————–

    Neither do I. Eppley, Rapada, Logan, Arsmada… meh. These guys are all replaceable. On the cheap no less.

  7. tucker March 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Not sure if this is the most updated 40-man, but it lists Rondon, Eppley! Sam Demel and Shawn Kelley on the 40 man. All those guys are more valuable to this organization than a young, cost controlled position player who may be the best average hitter (with gap power) in the organization? I don’t see it.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy

  8. tucker March 28th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    By the best average hitter in the organization, I am referring to upper-level minor leaguers poised to reach the bigs.

  9. Cashmoney March 28th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Shame, Cashman learned big and hairy from Gene Michael, he learned the values of hoarding pitching in the era of steroid and came to conclusion to develop that within even though that landscape has changed greatly in terms of values and availability between hitters and pitchers.
    He assumes Eppley, Rapada, Aaaaardsma are pieces that will be hard to require once let go.

    It all comes down to Cashman’s ability in evaluating market trends and talents which i don’t trust.

    Simply my takes on how he sees it.

  10. tucker March 28th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Of course, you may have an argument that Musty is the best average hitter playing in the upper levels.

  11. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    tucker March 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am e
    Not sure if this is the most updated 40-man, but it lists Rondon, Eppley! Sam Demel and Shawn Kelley on the 40 man. All those guys are more valuable to this organization than a young, cost controlled position player who may be the best average hitter (with gap power) in the organization? I don’t see it.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com…..p?c_id=nyy

    Yes, Rondon, Eppley, Demel and Kelley are each on the 40-man.

    Cashman said something yesterday about knowing he was going to have to make an Adams move eventually anyway. My guess is that it was a timing thing; try to get him through now before teams have settled on their Triple-A rosters and before they can guarantee Adams exactly the role he’s going to play.

    Given the significant 40-man issues, I can see some logic in holding off on 40-man move with the experienced relievers because the Yankees aren’t sure which one(s) they’re going to need on Opening Day. I have to think one of those guys will go eventually, but might as well hold off until the team knows who it’s going to need in the short term. The Yankees know they won’t need Adams on Opening Day, and if they’ve decided to make that move eventually anyway — instead of some of the other young guys — might as well make it now.

  12. Wave Your Hat March 28th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    What a depressing lineup today. Even swapping in Gardner and Nunez, it isn’t going to get on base enough, let alone the lack of power. You can’t play Rivera at first under those conditions, everything is going to depend on pitching and defense.

  13. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Please, no Rivera.

  14. Bronx Jeers March 28th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Rapada gets no love. He pitched great in his role last season.

  15. fantasygame101 March 28th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    why would adams choose the Yankees if they had chosen joseph over him? if he is smart, he signed with teams who will give him a chance to play in the majors right way so his mlb clock starts.

  16. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I like Rapada too, more than Logan v. LHH.

  17. Doreen March 28th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Busy day, but I just wanted to thank Yankee Trader for the response on Phelps’ fifth inning.

    also – I guess with Adams, and why not someone else, well, if they can have their cake and eat it too, I guess it’s worth a try.

  18. Grant March 28th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    blake March 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am
    I still don’t get why they wouldn’t just release one of the garbage relievers they have on the 40 man instead…..

    I totally agree. Hasn’t Cashman always gone out and gotten cheap relievers instead of signing big names. Position players are way more expensive and hard to get. Keep a viable third baseman for Christ’s sake.

  19. jacksquat March 28th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Thank you Chad for that logical explanation.

  20. Tar March 28th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Yankee infielders should throw the ball in the dirt today, repeatedly. It’s for their own long term good! :evil:

  21. blake March 28th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Considering there is no guarantee that Cano will be around next year…. You’d think they would want to keep the best option hey had to replace him

  22. UpState March 28th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Release Boone Logan ???

    No. No. and No.

  23. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    No trade him.

  24. blake March 28th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Cashman must think Eppley is related to his assistant GM or something…..it’s “Eppler” cash….no relation…..you can cut him next time you need 40 man space

  25. jacksquat March 28th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Logan gets no respect, despite having above average ERA’s the past 3 years with the Yankees.

  26. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    That’s silly. He’s a free agent to be. Get value while you can.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock March 28th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    No time to hang in here today, but just wanted to give a huge shout out to Chad.

    I’m not the kind who says “great job” lightly, but man, you have been persistent/wonderful in pursuing the fine print regarding Adams’ release and clarifying everything, so I just have to say: fantastic job, Chad!

    Also, contributions by Jerkface and Jetrer duly noted for their own excavating that moved the needle and which Chad responded to like a truly on-it reporter.

    Good day, all.

  28. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Logan is an average arm at best. I’m not on board with releasing him if you can get value for him but other relievers in our pen last year posted better numbers against lefties than our lefty specialist.

  29. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Also, what is he? He has been up and down v. LH and RH hitters.

    2010
    v. R .279 .372 .471 .842
    v. L .190 .286 .215 .501

    2011
    v. R .262 .328 .344 .673
    v. L .260 .328 .462 .789

    2012
    v. R .238 .371 .417 .788
    v.L .231.293 .372 .665

    Never fall in love with a marginal reliever.

  30. blake March 28th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Logan is basically LOOGY that can sometimes get RH hitters out better than other LOOGYies…..he’s totally fungible and replaceable

  31. tucker March 28th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Chad, thanks for the explainer …

    Still don’t see middle relievers as a great need — even for this year. One thing the team has done well is refresh the pen with arms from within the organization. With guys like Preston Claiborne waiting in the wings, don’t see the need for that glut of fringe relievers.

    Hope Cashman is right and the timing works. Though as others have pointed out, Adams may find greener pastures and a shorter path to the bigs elsewhere …

  32. UpState March 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Trade him possibly.
    Release ? No.
    Replace with ?

    (to save a 3rd, 4th, or 5th depth chart infielder ?)

  33. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    With Joba, Robertson and Mo anchoring the pen, I’m not worried about who falls in between. Kelly looked good early on but I haven’t followed him much lately. It’s hard for me to keep track of who is pitching in ST, because I’m usually not very focused on the games (and obv Joe uses guys a lot differently at this time of year).

    Joba’s looked really good. Mo’s velo is down but he’s still getting outs, I’m not too worried about him. I’ve only seen a bit of Robertson but he’s got a good track record.

  34. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Who said release him?

  35. RadioKev March 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    blake March 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am
    I still don’t get why they wouldn’t just release one of the garbage relievers they have on the 40 man instead…..
    ———

    I suppose the thinking might be that Adams can’t help them right now anyway, and he seems to carry more risk than the other position players.

    I don’t really agree with it, but I could see that…

  36. blake March 28th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    There are others I would have released before Boonie but if it came down to Adams or Logan I might release Boonie instead…..I just think non elite relief pitchers are like the most replaceable thing in baseball….and Id rather keep a position player with promise than almost any middle reliever….JMO

  37. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    We certainly are more likely to need Adams in the future. Given the makeup of the mL system, releasing him (with the hope of getting him back) is an unreasonable risk. Some people here love to point out weaknesses of former Yankee players/prospects, but he still was one of their better corner infield options.

    But as long as Eppley is still here, there is no reason to think about Logan.

  38. blake March 28th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    @Joelsherman1: 3UP http://t.co/7GDO7MKRAv thoughts on #Yankees late spring maneuvering. #Angels

  39. RadioKev March 28th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    But as long as Eppley is still here, there is no reason to think about Logan.
    ———–

    Yeah, exactly. Eppley was nice last year, but I’d much rather discard the righty specialist before the lefty specialist when we have three very good right handed relievers already.

    Also I saw a few comments about Phelps giving up those 3 runs in last night’s game… but it was against a big league lineup, and he struck out 9! That’s still pretty good.

  40. UpState March 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    Who said release him?

    see….11:34 am

  41. Frankg March 28th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    They wouldn’t have released him if they knew he was not going to come back.

  42. Shame Spencer March 28th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Phelps has looked really good all spring, even with some bumps along the way he hasn’t let games get too far away from him. You’d like to think the offense can pick him up every now and then. I hope they let Pineda take his time and take advantage of Phelps’ stuff. My only worry is they make him the long man…

    ‘Well, you know Phelpsy did a great job in that role last year and blah blah blah blah blah’

  43. Chip March 28th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    I think the Adams move is what they tried with Laird last year – but I don’t remember.

  44. Cashmoney March 28th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Youk, A nation turns its lonely eyes to you, woo-woo-woo…

  45. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    “see….11:34 am”

    But there is a prioritization, and obviously, Eppley would be first to go.

  46. Mike Ri March 28th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Youk, A nation turns its lonely eyes to you, woo-woo-woo—–

    LOL YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK !!!!

  47. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    How great would it be if Youk could put up even a 120-ish OPS+. He would be almost loved in NY. I also think playing 1B would help him.

  48. blake March 28th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    March 28, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    How great would it be if Youk could put up even a 120-ish OPS+. He would be almost loved in NY. I also think playing 1B would help him.

    I think it’s possible if he can stay healthy…. Probably not likely but they really need him to do that for them to have a chance

  49. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Thanks JAP, I appreciate it. These things are never quite as simple as “so-and-so was released” or “this guy is on waivers.” For example, in the Adams situation, there’s apparently some sort of language that says he’s not allowed to turn down a “reasonable contract offer,” a stipulation that’s in place to keep him from turning down a contract in order to get the termination fee from the Yankees. But apparently that almost never comes into play. There are other case-specific issues that kick in based on service time and such. It’s incredibly complicated, so much so that several high-ranking Yankees officials flat out told me they weren’t sure what the rules were regarding Adams’ situation, and even one of the Yankees top contract experts had to email me back to say the original information provided was wrong. Even now understanding the basics, I’m sure there are nuances that I don’t understand at all.

  50. Jerkface March 28th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Chad,

    Awesome work on the Adams situation. I don’t think a player would turn down a 40 man spot over a minor league contract, but hope that happens in this case.

  51. Carly March 28th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    McCulloughSL Mariano Rivera on the banged-up yet prideful Yankees: “Someone will step up. Someone will do what needs to get done to win games.”

    :)

  52. Cashmoney March 28th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Rich, Youk would have been loved if he was a home grown Yankees. Fans are not so differently anywhere, they love the hard nose blue collar type, especially if you produce. Will he, we will see.

  53. tucker March 28th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Another example of the front office’s inability to multitask. The FO could not negotiate with the likes of Keppinger and Martin until they signed, in sequence, Kuroda, Pettette, etc.

    Now the FO has to keep this glut of relievers on the 40 man until it figures out who the 12th man in the bullpen is. No ability to multitask to the detriment of the club over the long term … Friedman probably would have figured this out.

  54. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Vidal Nuno was just given the Dawson Award as the top rookie in Yankees camp. The vote was apparently incredibly close. I believe one vote made the difference between Nuno and Ronnier Mustelier. I actually voted for Nuno.

  55. blake March 28th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Yes Chad….good work

  56. FiretheUMPIRE March 28th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Oh no you di ntttt

  57. Jerkface March 28th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Mustelier can’t catch a break :( I hope he is rewarded with some playing time this season!

  58. blake March 28th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Congrats nuno…..wonder if Joe calls him Nunie 2

  59. DONNYBROOK March 28th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    So a “Yankee top contract expert” supplied Chad with the wrong info? What new? This is why the Greatest Sports Franshise there ever was, continues to stumble. Top of the food chain “experts”, that don’t know their arse from a hot rock, calling the shots.

  60. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Thanks folks. It’s nice to know there are other people into all of this minor league nerd stuff like I am.

  61. Jetrer March 28th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    For those wondering why some of the fringe relievers weren’t released instead of Adams…Some will be, and the rest will be on the team. They need at least 2 more 40-man roster spots (Nix and Tex replacement), and possibly as many as 5. Currently, their are 3 openings in the bullpen (if Aardsma isn’t a lock, assuming just Mo, Drob, Joba, and Logan are locks). My guess is Demel will definitely be DFA’d. Of Aardsma, Kelley, and Eppley, 2 will likely start the season in the bullpen, with the loser likely being DFA’d. The last spot in the pen could either go to Warren (while Hughes is out), or a non-roster player (Nuno?) – which would mean another roster spot would need to be found. In the end, likely all of the relievers on the roster will be on the MLB roster, or DFA’d before the season begins, with the exception of Rondon, who apparently is being used as a starter now.

    Chad –
    The rule that seems to apply to Adams – MLR 8(f)
    http://bizofbaseball.com/docs/.....s-2008.pdf

    seems to indicate any player on unconditional release waivers can opt to terminate their contract to become a free agent if they are claimed. I don’t think there is anything unique to Adams’ situation. It seems to apply to anyone.
    And there is nothing about termination pay if the player opts for free agency. If the player is claimed and doesn’t opt to terminate their contract, the new team just inherits the remainder of that player’s contract, with the old team only responsible for the player’s pay through the date of termination. If the player opts to terminate his contract upon being claimed, his contract ceases to exist and he becomes a free agent. Again, the old team would only be responsible for any pay up to the date of termination.
    Termination pay only factors in if the player is not claimed, and this is the same type of termination pay for all players on non-guaranteed contracts (like Boesch got from the Tigers).
    Given the timing, if Adams goes unclaimed, he’d be entitled to 45-days termination pay.

    Always possible I’m missing something, but this is my interpretation of the situation.

  62. 4 NYY March 28th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Who was the last Yankee pitcher to bat in Yankee Stadium ?


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