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Video: A-Rod’s return to Yankee Stadium

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Let’s call it what it is. This video is … not the best. There was such a crowd waiting for Alex Rodriguez’s first public comments since the end of last season, even being pretty close to him left me in a pretty bad spot. There were literally moments Monday when I was just holding my iPhone in the air, hoping I had Rodriguez’s face in the shot.

The video’s not great, but since it’s been such a long time since any of us had actually seen Rodriguez, I figured I’d try to put some usable bits and pieces together into something fairly coherent. As you’ve already read, he basically passed on any questions about Biogenesis, but did talk a little bit about his rehab and recovery.

And that’s why the video makes some sense this morning. With seven Yankees on the disabled list, it’s worth wondering — if only for the fun of it — what might happen as these guys get healthy and make their way back onto the roster. Here are the names, in a vaguely chronological order of when they’re expected to be activated.

Derek Jeter
Eligible to be activated on Saturday, but that seems all but impossible at this point. In fact, there seems to be a chance that Jeter won’t be back until closer to mid April, but he should still be the first position player activated. So who goes when Jeter arrives? Ben Francisco will probably lose his regular DH role, but I still tend to think it will be Brennan Boesch optioned to Triple-A when Jeter arrives.

Phil Hughes
There may be a chance that Hughes will be ready before Jeter, but it doesn’t really matter. They affect totally different people. The easiest roster move for Hughes would be sending Adam Warren back to Triple-A to be stretched out as a starter, and I tend to think that’s what the Yankees will do. But there might be something to be said for optioning Cody Eppley, giving David Phelps important middle-inning relief opportunities, and keeping Warren as a true mopup/long man.

Curtis Granderson
Stayed in Tampa because he’s close to losing the protective brace and starting some baseball activities beyond shagging fly balls without throwing them. Still probably a month away, and who goes when he arrives could be a matter of who’s playing well (and who else has been hurt). As a general rule, though, I have to think Francisco or Boesch — whichever one is left after the Jeter move — would be the one to lose his spot to Granderson.

Mark Teixeira
So far, so good with Teixeira who said he’ll be examined again in a little more than a week in hopes of being cleared to swing the bat with both hands. If he stays on track and doesn’t suffer any damage to the actual tendon, Teixeira could be back in early May and leave the Yankees to almost certainly DFA Lyle Overbay. Hard to imagine a spot for him with both Teixeira and Travis Hafner on the roster.

Cesar Cabral
When the Yankees decided to DFA Clay Rapada, I listed four left-handed reliever who give the Yankees enough depth to make the Rapada decision make sense. But I managed to forget Cabral. He was facing hitters by the end of spring training, yet the Yankees crowded 40-man roster left them little choice but to put him on the 60-day. That means Cabral won’t be activated for a couple of months — at which point the bullpen will have surely changed — but it only makes sense to imagine him taking the place of either Warren, Eppley or Shawn Kelley, whichever right-hander is struggling to pull his own weight. And because he’s still under some Rule 5 restrictions, Cabral will have to be activated to the big league roster once he’s healthy.

Michael Pineda
Progress has been steady for Pineda, and there seems to be at least a chance the Yankees could have him in the rotation — or at least a candidate to the rotation — by the early summer. As for who’s place he takes, that probably depends on how he’s pitching and how the individual big league starters are pitching. After a lost year, it might make some sense to give Pineda plenty of time in Triple-A, but if his fastball is back and his slider is biting, Pineda just might be able to take the place of any big leaguer who’s struggling a little bit, potentially pushing guys like Phelps, Ivan Nova and Phil Hughes to continue proving themselves.

Alex Rodriguez
In the best-case scenario where everyone above, and everyone on the current roster, has gotten/stayed healthy, the return of Rodriguez would seem to complete the puzzle. He would most naturally bump Jayson Nix from the roster (or Eduardo Nunez if Nunez isn’t getting the job done). But that’s a long, long way down the road.

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461 Responses to “Video: A-Rod’s return to Yankee Stadium”

  1. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 9:02 am

    I’d love for the Yanks to wait until the trade deadline to do an extension with Cano…..that way they can see how the season is going and if it’s bad they can trade him to a contender for a top prospect or two and then just re-sign him in the winter…..

    of course that’s unlikely to happen…..but I wish they could wait and see how 2013 is going to go. Most likely if an extension happens it’ll be soon though….

  2. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    “Yes, Randy, if we bloggers could foresee where this was going long ago, wouldn’t you think people getting paid large salaries could do so as well? ”

    austinmac

    I know you know this; they have different priorities and time horizons, although I think they are missing the forest for the trees.

    randy

    Probably true. The fan in me still hopes that all the questions turn out positively:
    -the young players are given a chance and acclimate themselves quickly
    -the older players have a resurgence, let alone stave off a further decline
    -that pitching and catchers defense are viewed in context

    -then I wake up.

  3. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 9:05 am

    many of us here wanted the yankees to do the following last winter: sign Darvish, keep Montero, Sign the Cubans (or Beltran). Maybe ownership should listen occasionally……just a thought.

  4. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    In addition to the above, blake, I would add trade Swisher (they weren’t going to sign him) and could have gotten a piece that could have helped them them win last year and this year, or have helped with reloading.

  5. randy l. April 3rd, 2013 at 9:10 am

    “I think a couple of weeks ago when we signed Overbay someone (maybe Hassey) said this whole thing was turning into a self parody.

    You can’t make this stuff up.”

    yes.

    self parody is a good way to put it.

    hal is soft. he’s not a tough guy.

    a yankee owner has to be a tough guy. everyone is out there in baseball is trying to rip out their throats. hal simply doesn’t have it in him to fight back.

    what’s happening right now is that hal is being exposed on a very big stage.
    my guess is that he’ll try to fake fighting the good fight for a while and then use some excuse to step into the background where he’s more comfortable.

  6. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 9:17 am

    I think they insult the fans by claiming that they won’t tolerate what is referred to as rebuilding, as if it has to be an all or nothing approach, but especially for a team with the Yankees’ resources and advantages, that has been a false choice. They could easily have taken a small step back, if necessary, while integrating a young player (or two) on to their roster every season or two.

    If people will watch a bunch of has-beens, they would likely watch exciting young talent grow before their eyes, especially if supported by a surrounding cast of established stars.

    We have seen a little of it, with Cano for example. But that’s basically it.

    Except for 2008 for a month with the rotation. Talking about over learning a lesson.

    AJ and Vazquez can suck for months. Kids, not so much.

  7. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 9:19 am

    You guys keep saying they should have traded Swisher or whoever in the middle of a season. In the middle of season where the Yankees were in a pennant race, where they ended up winning 95 games and the division. Swisher was a contributor to that effort. They would not trade Granderson for the same reason as Swisher.

    Mid-season trades of important players (even if they know they won’t be there the following season) won’t happen. Had they been 20 games ahead or 20 games behind, maybe.

    What would they have gotten for Swisher – a guy who was going to be a rental? They needed to get back more than prospects to continue to fight for the AL East title.

    They will not trade Robinson Canó.

  8. randy l. April 3rd, 2013 at 9:19 am

    the yankee decline could last awhile because even bad teams in baseball flirt with .500. the yankees could stay above .500 for awhile , but this will only prolong the downward spiral.

    it would be wrong to hope hals’ limo gets swallowed up by a giant sinkhole , so i’m rooting for yankee losses and implosion to speed up the process to a new start.

  9. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 9:21 am

    “You guys keep saying they should have traded Swisher or whoever in the middle of a season”

    No, following the 2011 season. Then sign Beltran for two years. They knew Swisher wasn’t going to be signed. Bletran wanted to come. Perfect offset, gain an asset that isn’t a pick, far away from the ML for a team that wants to win now.

  10. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Bottoming out will make clueless people even more reckless.

    Hal isn’t exactly my idea of grace under pressure.

    If we fall too far, they will panic and start dealing off “inventory” as Cashman likes to refer to prospects, for mediocre or less-than-worthy place holders, just to get over cosmetically.

    I don’t see disaster as a cure for what ails these owners and FO people.

    I fear Yankee failure on a grand scale will mean thinking that two years to wait for guys like Sanchez is an eternity.

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Teams tie up their best players and we’ll turn a “not close to majors” package, headlined by Jose Ramirez, with Andujar and Feliz in it, for middling everyday return.

    Then the people here and elsewhere will say, ‘well, those guys aren’t close to the majors” which was what was said about Austin Jackson. Well, he arrived soon enough to steal hits from our guys and smack the ball the other way against us in two straight postseasons.

    Before you know it, our “far away” traded prospects will be in the majors, and we’ll be watching them excel in another uniform, hearing MLB roundtables extoll their virtues, and seeing their faces on other teams’ gameday programs.

    The only scenario I can see being beneficial to the future of the pinstripes as a result of abject failure would be Hal selling the team.

    Besides, I do not want to see Jeter in the middle of the diamond while the world crashes around him. That would be cruelest.

  12. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Rich in NJ -

    You know the answer to that is twofold. One is, the kids have options and can be told to work things out in AAA. The veterans have to agree to be sent to the minors, and they are “allowed” to work out their issues on the ML field because there really is no other option. The contracts are too large to trade (especially when the guy is stinking big time), and you keep giving veterans who’ve “done it before” the benefit of the doubt, PLUS, they they’re being PAID an awful lot of money so they play them.

    In 2008, they got behind the 8 ball pretty quickly. The offense that was supposed to smooth over any rough spots the kids might experience was not there. And the natives were definitely getting restless – hence the huge uproar over a few ill-chosen words by IPK alongside his locker after a game. the Yankees, however, never really take the road of saying to the fans, outright, we know there are going to be growing pains, but these players have the talent and we are willing to stick it out and think it will be worth everybody’s while.

    Because they get scared. They built the WS or Bust mantra into something larger than life itself and isn’t it ironic that in that year they ended up not making the playoffs anyway due to all the really really bad injuries they had later on?

  13. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Rich in NJ -

    I misunderstood, then, about the timing of the trade Swisher clarion calls. :)

    But how can you be sure the Yankees at that time had no intention of resigning Swisher?

  14. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 9:29 am

    With seven Yankees on the disabled list, it’s worth wondering — if only for the fun of it — what might happen as these guys get healthy and make their way back..

    —————-

    Ugh, Chad needs to get out more. ;)

  15. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Is it just me or does the presence of Jason Zillo at these interviews annoy anybody else? Does Arod need a chaperone to talk to reporters? I especially hate it when there’s a press conference and he comes out to announce the proceedings like the President of the US is about to emerge.

    Yankee mgmt needs to get over itself. Sometimes I think they forget that this is just a baseball team.

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    They will not trade Robinson Canó.
    ///

    Nor should they. He’s one of the best players on the planet, and from a PR standpoint, who the hell else are they selling as the face of the franchise?

  17. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    I wanted them to sign Beltran and keep Swisher….they could have shared the DH role when the other wasn’t playing OF and as it turned out Gardner got hurt and it would have worked itself out anyway……

  18. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 25m
    Spoke with Scott Boras last night about Cano’s big switch. Yes, the agent was blind-sided. Quotes here: http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/.....n/13299163 … #Yankees

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Bronx, for me, the queer thing was Alex not getting introduced. Supposedly, it was his own idea. But it has that Kremlin-esque cropped-out-of-picture feel to it.

  20. Yankee Trader April 3rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Good morning.

    On Pineda- IF his velocity comes back, doesn’t he still need to develop the changeup before he’ll be placed back on the 25 man roster and become a starter?

    Bumgarner or Darvish-who was better last night, taking into consideration the opposition?

  21. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Doreen

    Sure, but the issue is: which player is likely to get better with more work? The veteran who is awful every other year, or the kid with a future ahead of him?

    There is no free lunch, right? If you want to develop kids, you have to pay a price, otherwise you are stuck with the overpriced veterans, who Cashman told us when he got more power in 2006 that he would no longer need to sign.

    So either you do it right, or the vicious cycle of overpriced, mediocre (or worse) pitching (and position players) continues indefinitely, and you never have the financial and roster flexibility that Cashman used to say he craved.

  22. randy l. April 3rd, 2013 at 9:35 am

    doreen-

    you do realize the yankees are going to have to get bad before they get better don’t you ?

    hal has implemented a flawed strategy that has no chance of success.

    i think what we’ll see play out in the short run is every time the yankees win, hal’s supporters will perk up, and when they lose his detractors like me will perk up, but in the long run a yankee losing record is going to be a base that no individual win can mask.

    eventually everyone is going to see the need for change, even ys guy and trisha.

  23. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Doreen

    “But how can you be sure the Yankees at that time had no intention of resigning Swisher?”

    Because they were already talking about the $189m and there was no way Swisher was going to fit that given the contract he was likely to received (and did) in free agency.

    When Cashman said following the 2011 season that he was willing to trade offense for pitching, I thought he meant Swisher.

    Silly me.

  24. Yankee Trader April 3rd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Blake-

    Rather than adding Beltran, the Yankees should have been in the hunt for Cespedes.

  25. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “Nor should they. He’s one of the best players on the planet, and from a PR standpoint, who the hell else are they selling as the face of the franchise?”

    the scenario I was discussing was this…..it’s July 1 and the Yanks are 8 games out….Cano hasn’t signed an extension yet……do you A) play out the remainder of the season with Cano and continue to work on an extension knowing that you may lose him for a draft pick or do you B) try to trade him for somebody like Anthony Rendon and then look to sign him in the offseason too.

    Trading Cano doesn’t mean you still can’t sign him this winter…..heck they could call him in the office before doing it and say look Robbie we don’t have it this year…..but we want to build around you going forward so what we want to do is trade you to a contender this year and get back some pieces to build around you going forward…..we will pay you this winter if you’re willing to come back to us.

    It’s risky but it’s also risky to just do nothing too…..I think the Yanks will stay in the race all year but if it’s July and they aren’t…..and Cano is still unsigned then they should consider all their options.

  26. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “Rather than adding Beltran, the Yankees should have been in the hunt for Cespedes.”

    they could have done either or both…..

  27. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    We (somehow) knew last year it was a choice between Swish and Grandy…. we all thought they could only fit one or the other given the new budget. We discussed trades for either, knowing that Grandy wasn’t likely to match an MVP caliber year.

    We talked last off season about there being no discernible plan for the future.. and I think this off season reinforced that idea for a lot of us. The plan is very loose and seems to be as simple as putting no money on the books beyond this year. So I suppose they do have a plan…. just no strategy to implement the plan effectively.

  28. RadioKev April 3rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, even if the Yankees are pretty good this season, we might not make the playoffs because of the Astros. I could imagine a scenario where the Yankees win 90-91 games and get edged out of the Wild Card, with two WC teams coming out of the AL West.

    There’s free wins in them there mountains!

  29. RadioKev April 3rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    To be fair, I think Cespedes is better than anyone could have reasonably expected.

  30. randy l. April 3rd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    ” The plan is very loose and seems to be as simple as putting no money on the books beyond this year.”

    shame-

    well said.

    the good news is with only alex, teixeira, and sabathia on the books long term someone could blow it up and start over if a new someone were given the chance.

  31. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 9:45 am

    It’s true…..the Astros are just awful….they are gonna pad the Rangers and Angels win totals big time. At the same time…..I think 90 or 91 wins could win the East or be close to it…..I don’t think any of the AL east teams are all that good……the Jays have the potential to be but there are loads of questions too and some of them aren’t going to go their way most likely.

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:45 am

    rich in nj, that would be fine if the Nats were willing to part with Rendon just to rent Robinson Cano and take a single shot. Since they have $$, they might not want to give up Rendon to settle for just a few months of Cano, so it could just come down to Cano for Rendon, and I don’t really like that.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    sorry, meant to address blake.

  34. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    “To be fair, I think Cespedes is better than anyone could have reasonably expected.”

    I think he’s adjusted to the big leagues much faster and better than anyone could have expected…..but again…..I’ve said this many times….the caliber of talent he is doesn’t grow one trees……there just aren’t that many humans that can do the things he can do…..it would have been a good risk for the team with the most money to make

  35. Yankee Trader April 3rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Cano has stated he doesn’t want contract negotiations to be an inseason distraction.

    Other than a major inseason injury, given the Yankees payroll next year of 177M plus around 12M for all player benefits to stay under the LT threshold, AND the loss of possibly 8-10 free agents, AND the possibility that the kids won’t be ready for the opener 2014,

    WHY not test free agency, allowing time to see if the Yankees will show improvement and be able to surround him in the lineup with bats, so he will not be pitched around.

    Thoughts?

  36. austinmac April 3rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Jeter will not be the first player back. He still has ankle problems. I find it doubtful a few days of rest is a complete answer.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    RadioKev April 3rd, 2013 at 9:43 am
    To be fair, I think Cespedes is better than anyone could have reasonably expected.
    ///

    Oakland apparently reasonably expected him to be really good.

    But I agree that it’s “fair” to finally accept that other FOs have a much better eye for talent than we do.

  38. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Jeter may have to DH a lot, even against RH pitching.

  39. RadioKev April 3rd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    We see it across so many fields. The younger, smaller groups are willing to take the big risks and the established won’t for fear of losing what they have.

  40. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Rich in NJ

    I wanted them to stick with the kids in 2008. I wish they had more stomach for the rocks and rolls of development.

    They got very lucky with the “Core” bunch – they seemed to be ML ready right away and the growing pains were minimal. Or maybe it just seems that way in retrospect. But it was in another time, wasn’t it? And then they were all so good for so long that the Yankees didn’t really need to entertain replacing them. And then the draft picks were later and later because of the 1st place finishes. They had mixed results with their free agent signings. Damon I think was a good one. Matsui, absolutely. I never liked the Giambi signing for several reasons, and I hated that for a while every free agent wanted to come to NY to finally get their ring.

    They did bring up Cano, Melky, Wang. Even Gardner. They regularly call up minor league players MID-SEASON if there is a need, even if they rarely have anyone break camp who isn’t a pitcher. Not many have been talented enough to stick around though. And no one has been good enough to take a job away from a veteran.

    I’m just saying this is the way of it, is all. Veterans always get the benefit of the doubt, or really, the benefit of having signed a huge contract that makes them untradeable, and makes a team keep hoping they’ll turn it around.

  41. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    “Oakland apparently reasonably expected him to be really good.”

    Beane knew that a talent like that is out of his price range on the ML free agent market. This was is only chance to get him, so the reward outweighed the risk.

    The Yankees had have a different mindset about market opportunities.

    That can’t last given the apparent new spending model.

  42. randy l. April 3rd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    austinmac-

    wishful thinking and hoping is personified in jeter. i want jeter do do well always. i’ve always rooted for him. but the reality is that jeter is really hurt and scuffling. we may have seen his last great season. last year was simply amazing. i think it’s possible we’re seeing the end of jeter much like dimaggio when his injuries brought things to a sudden end.

  43. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Cespedes’ videos were silly and maybe he wasn’t the guy they would target, but they didn’t go after ANYONE that could have given them a cheap AAV last off season. Not Darvish, Cespedes, Soler, Chapman, Nakajima… they didn’t try it this off season either with Puig or (for now) Diaz.

    It was all about holding the line and ‘waiting and seeing’ which is all well and good for people that aren’t actually in charge of things…… but not for people that are!! I can’t wait and see my way through work! The next time my boss asks me how those 5 year projections are coming, I’m gonna say ‘we’ll have to wait and see’. I’m sure he’ll love that.

  44. RadioKev April 3rd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:49 am
    RadioKev April 3rd, 2013 at 9:43 am
    To be fair, I think Cespedes is better than anyone could have reasonably expected.
    ///

    Oakland apparently reasonably expected him to be really good.

    But I agree that it’s “fair” to finally accept that other FOs have a much better eye for talent than we do.
    ————

    I’m not even sure Oakland expected him to be so good right off the bat.

    I mean, look at his contract. If everyone thought he would be this good, he probably gets something like $50m/6 or more.

    Good on Oakland.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    the Yankees, however, never really take the road of saying to the fans, outright, we know there are going to be growing pains, but these players have the talent and we are willing to stick it out and think it will be worth everybody’s while.
    ////

    Yet these were nearly Cashman’s very words when he called for “patience” with Michael Pineda.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 9:56 am

    I’m not even sure Oakland expected him to be so good right off the bat.

    I mean, look at his contract. If everyone thought he would be this good, he probably gets something like $50m/6 or more.

    Good on Oakland.
    ////

    Which just proves the Yankees blew it big time, that he could have been had for so little.

  47. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Bronx, for me, the queer thing was Alex not getting introduced. Supposedly, it was his own idea. But it has that Kremlin-esque cropped-out-of-picture feel to it.

    ———————–

    Yeah it was Zillo that said that. I guess he’s just doing his job but he still creeps me out.

    And I was disappointed with Alex when this Bosch story came out but at this point I’m very willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The bottom line is that he is going to continue to be a part of this team and I still believe him when he says he can come back and play at a high level.

    I do hope that he doesn’t hit a home run on his first swing like he did in Baltimore back in 2009. I like it when he just hits it up the middle. Start there and the bombs will come.

  48. RadioKev April 3rd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Which just proves the Yankees blew it big time, that he could have been had for so little.
    —————

    And every other team other than Oakland.

  49. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Doreen

    Luck was a part of it, but not the only part.

    Jeter came quickly, but Bernie took a few years to find his footing. Posada was brought along very (too) slowly. and Pettitte was a little up and down early in his career.

    Also, Stick had to lie to George about the lack of interest in Bernie when he wanted to trade him.

    George also wanted to trade Mo and Posada to the Reds for David Wells in 1995.

    Melky was first called up in 2004 for the RS, way before he was ready.

    Wang was mishandled after the foot injury.

    “Veterans always get the benefit of the doubt, or really, the benefit of having signed a huge contract that makes them untradeable, and makes a team keep hoping they’ll turn it around.”

    It’s why they aren’t as good as they can be. Cashman has said it himself. He has just failed to execute.

    The only reason we are having this conversion is the work Stick did with the original core.

    That should have taught them to nurture sufficient options to replace them when there was still plenty of time for a transition.

  50. Deal With It April 3rd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Deal With It April 3rd, 2013 at 9:57 am

    It’s true though.. players are more in tuned with this stuff than we are. They get slapped with the mercenary label but there’s no way Cano isn’t going, ‘hey man, if you have $13 for Vernon Wells you better double that to keep me (which would still mean I’m getting paid less than Alex, btw, so there’s your hometown discount).’

    ==========

    Shame

    If I was in the Yankee FO just be honest with yourself based on some of these other contracts being extended recently, Verlander, Posey etc. It’s gonna take $ 23-25 to get it done so figure out the years and do it. If not trade him so you can get something for him.

    He is the Yankees best player now and deserves his payday just like the rest of theses guys.

    Get er done …………….. especially with what they have pissed out the window this year for junk

  51. pat April 3rd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “Sometimes I think they forget that this is just a baseball team.”

    They stopped being “just a baseball team” many years and a few billions of dollars ago.

  52. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    The thing is, this is a very similar team to the 2008 club in the sense that we’re banking on one side of the club (pitching) to make up for the other (offense).

    You want balance.. you don’t want to have to ‘make up’ for a lack of offense or a lack of pitching. Because it puts you one or two injuries away from being in serious trouble (like Posada going down in 2008, basically killing our season).

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    They did bring up Cano, Melky, Wang. Even Gardner. They regularly call up minor league players MID-SEASON if there is a need, even if they rarely have anyone break camp who isn’t a pitcher. Not many have been talented enough to stick around though. And no one has been good enough to take a job away from a veteran.
    ////

    Can you imagine if they had succeeded in one of their three attempts to trade Cano?

  54. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    I think that part of the 189 thing was to reduce the risk of spending money on injury-prone players, like Beltran, or non-ML-proven players, like Cespedes.

    Otherwise, why not?

    They certainly have had their share of wasted money in recent years. Pavano? Igawa? Just to name the most obvious.

    Wanting to achiever and maintain a LT-threshold friendly payroll, right at the top limit is not in and of itself a bad idea. And if you want to do it, you’ve really just got to do it. However, that 24 million being paid to a player about whom you cannot be certain will ever give you any production is a real millstone. Ha! They were looking for MILESTONES but got a MILLSTONE instead!!!

    And Randy, I can’t root for them to totally fail. I can’t. I have to hope against hope that somehow things will work out.

    Cashman was really committed to being able to do this. It was the reason he signed the contract with the sons of Steinbrenner. I think he had great hopes. Something changed. And at this point I think ownership wants something that is not really deliverable. And it was they who made the decision to re-up ARod under the very terms that are hamstringing them now.

  55. Deal With It April 3rd, 2013 at 10:03 am

    randy l. April 3rd, 2013 at 8:46 am

    That day is here.

    IMO, they should have filled the holes this year with the young guys in the system and let the chips fall where they may.

  56. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    J Alfred -

    Baseball is laden with that kind of stuff, though. It’s not just the Yankees who have been somehow spared from making trades which later would have proven to be poor.

    I’m glad those trades (and of Mo, or Jeter) were never made.

  57. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    “I think that part of the 189 thing was to reduce the risk of spending money on injury-prone players, like Beltran, or non-ML-proven players, like Cespedes.”

    It’s not the two year deals for Beltran, it’s 8 year deals for Teixeira.

    Beane would kill to spend $150m. Yet he jumped on Cespedes. That tells you he is exactly the kind of player you sign with a budget.

  58. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    J. Alfred -

    They say it, but they don’t live by it.

    Pineda has a major league season under his belt. That’s the difference. “Experience.”

  59. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 10:08 am

    I think that part of the 189 thing was to reduce the risk of spending money on injury-prone players, like Beltran, or non-ML-proven players, like Cespedes.

    But if you leave out non-proven players (lets call them risky) then all you’re left with is retreads or proven MLB talent. The former of which is stinky and the latter of which is expensive. What are they expecting to field a competitive 189 team around?

  60. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Randy -

    Gene Michael is still a part of the organization, though. Not “the guy” anymore, but I’d think his input (whatever there still is of it, I don’t know how part-time he is perhaps) carries weight.

    All I know is that it seems like they have become more and more risk averse.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:04 am
    J Alfred -

    Baseball is laden with that kind of stuff, though. It’s not just the Yankees who have been somehow spared from making trades which later would have proven to be poor.

    I’m glad those trades (and of Mo, or Jeter) were never made.
    ///

    But the Mo-Jeter-Bernie would-be trades that never happened were at the exhortations of a crazy owner, who had to be talked out of them by Stick, who nearly quit over the Jeter thing, IIRC.

    We have heard those stories about Stick telling George “you’re nuts, George – we can’t trade this guy,” etc.

    We have heard zilch about Cashman imploring Steinbrenner to not trade Cano, and in fact, it has been reported that three times he was included in an outbound package and by the grace of God, that deal was rejected.

    I have no feeling that there is anyone in the house here who can deter or oppose bad ideas.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:06 am
    J. Alfred -

    They say it, but they don’t live by it.

    Pineda has a major league season under his belt. That’s the difference. “Experience.”
    ///

    Like Joba had a ML season under his belt? :D Just sayin’.

  63. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Shame -

    In 2008 the Yankees were a powerhouse offense.

    The pitchers they were bringing in really were good young pitchers. It would have been balance.

    They were cognizant of the fact that it “could” take some time for these young pitchers to acclimate and that there were going to be bumps along the way.

    The team would have been balanced.

    But I will not fault them for hoping that that particular offense could “carry” the young pitchers through some of the rough road.

    As a steady diet, you do not want to have to rely on one or another too much.

    Like this year, the pitching is supposed to carry the weakened offense through. And when Grandy, Tex and Jeter were a part of the offense, perhaps it’s reasonable. But as it stands today, it’s asking too much.

    That 2008 lineup (until the injuries later in the season) was a remarkable lineup, coming off of 2007.

  64. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Relying on Kevin Youkilis to bounce back on a deal that is worth twice as much as anyone else would offer him is a pretty big risk…. they’re taking a lot of risks right now with Wells, Youk, Ichiro, even Andy.

    What would help the avoid the most risk is actually having a strategy to meet their desired budget.

    And I want to resign him, but keeping Cano for 8-10 years is a HUGE risk. And it’s one they will gladly take.

  65. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    J Alfred -

    Joba…I can’t…go…there…

  66. Yankee Trader April 3rd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Cespedes receives $6.5 million in his first year, $8.5 million in his second year and $10.5 million in each of the last two years of the deal.

    On top of that the A’s agreed that he wouldn’t be offered arbitration, making him a FA after the four years rather than after six.

    Where were the Yankees in those negotiations?

  67. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    a yankee owner has to be a tough guy. everyone is out there in baseball is trying to rip out their throats. hal simply doesn’t have it in him to fight back.

    what’s happening right now is that hal is being exposed on a very big stage.
    ========================
    Randy-

    Why don’t you at least give him a chance to fail?
    you may be right, you may be wrong.
    any team can get decimated with injuries…we’ve lost 4 major players.
    if they come back and win the division is that the exposure you speak of?
    next year they will be in the same position the rs put themselves in by selling off their team.
    it’s all about who you replace them with.
    why not give it a chance.
    what are you afraid of?

  68. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    “Where were the Yankees in those negotiations?”

    Conferencing with their accounting firm.

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    But if you leave out non-proven players (lets call them risky) then all you’re left with is retreads or proven MLB talent. The former of which is stinky and the latter of which is expensive. What are they expecting to field a competitive 189 team around?
    ///

    There’s a “risky” young player out West whom we were told could not possibly be even adequate behind the plate, and would therefore steal away ABs from aging players who “need” the DH spot.

    They so distrusted this player, thought the risk so great to put him behind the plate for a single game, that they, instead, melodramatically summoned a AA player from the opposite coast to have him catch in his place.

    The “risky” player out West caught his second straight game for his current team last night and has been named that team’s starting catcher.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:16 am
    J Alfred -

    Joba…I can’t…go…there…
    ///

    Haha. I can :mad:

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    And I want to resign him, but keeping Cano for 8-10 years is a HUGE risk. And it’s one they will gladly take.
    ///

    8 years they should do.

  72. Yankee Trader April 3rd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Everyone have a great day. Hopefully Kuroda pitches a gem tonight in what looks like temps in the low 40′s.

    Until later.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:27 am

    …and Doreen, forgetting the trigger of Joba discussion, my point still stands, so we don’t need to discuss Joba: if Pineda’s “ML experience” is a valid reason to forge on ahead, then the impatience with Chamberlain, who also had a great rookie season (and didn’t have a precipitous drop in velocity before he got hurt), makes no sense.

  74. randy l. April 3rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    “And Randy, I can’t root for them to totally fail. I can’t. I have to hope against hope that somehow things will work out.”

    doreen-

    i understand that and there will probably be times this year when it seems there’s hope. like i said, a win today and you’ll see a lot of optimism on the blog.

    but most “experienced” folks pretty much know the yankees have gone past the point of no return without really cleaning house and starting fresh.

    i do understand that the yankees are entertainment and the blog too, so people will engage in yankee minutia as a form of something entertaining to do, however i have no doubt the yankees are done as the team we’ve known for the past 16 years.

    they need a fresh start.
    they’ll be back.
    but the sooner they fail, the sooner it will happen.

  75. Russell Munson April 3rd, 2013 at 10:34 am

    I think I’d go as high as 8 years and $200 million for Cano, expecting that he won’t be worth it by the end.

  76. randy l. April 3rd, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “you may be right, you may be wrong.”

    mick-

    no, i’m right :)

    if you were around then,you’d probably say give richard nixon a chance with the viet nam war too.

    sorry, not my style to not call it how i see it when i know i’m right.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I would also go to eight years on Cano. You kind of have to.

  78. DONNYBROOK April 3rd, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Hal probably loves all this focus on Cano, as it shifts the public’s attention Away from this current riff-raff of a Yankee team. I would Not go more than 6yrs for Cano. He ain’t Jeet, he ain’t Bernie, hell, he ain’t even Pauly. He’s Over 30, and If he continues to NOT hit lefties like last season, your digging yourself a hole by committing to him for anything Over 6yrs.

  79. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 10:41 am

    The pitchers they were bringing in really were good young pitchers. It would have been balance.

    They were cognizant of the fact that it “could” take some time for these young pitchers to acclimate and that there were going to be bumps along the way.

    The team would have been balanced.

    But I will not fault them for hoping that that particular offense could “carry” the young pitchers through some of the rough road.

    —————-

    Saying that one side of the club, however talented, has to some how ‘make up’ for another component of the club does not represent balance.

    Do I understand it? Of course I do. There are very few ideal teams in baseball. But the concept.. the concept itself that ‘well we have all these good pitchers so I’m sure we can patch together enough runs per game to win over .500′ is a bad approach to begin with. Because you are already operating under a risky presumption that one aspect of the team will overcompensate for a weaker aspect of the team… and like in 2008, one injury on the wrong side of the ball leaves you no where to turn.

    This year we’re operating under the approach that our pitching will carry us….So you’re starting unbalanced. We’ve had injuries to the weak side of our club already (the offense), bringing us a step back from where we started. Creating more imbalance. If CC and/or Kuroda end up injured, you’re two steps back.

  80. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Hey if it’s me I’d go 10-12 years on Cano… In the great words of upstate kate, ‘I’d even let him play for the Yankees!’

    But any long term, big money deal is a major risk. I’m just talking in these terms: If the purpose of the budget is risk aversion and they sign Cano for a $200+ deal, they be crazy.

  81. DONNYBROOK April 3rd, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Shame is echoing Mr Miyagi, “MUST have balance”.

  82. Russell Munson April 3rd, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “He’s Over 30, and If he continues to NOT hit lefties like last season, your digging yourself a hole by committing to him for anything Over 6yrs.”

    Do you think one year of not hitting lefties negates seven years where he did?

  83. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Sources: Andrus can opt out of extension with #Rangers after either 2018 or ‘19 seasons. His choice.

    Molto interesante…

  84. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Randy -

    I have been wrong about so many things in my life, one more thing won’t kill me. LOL

    And the thing I come back to is they have either different or more information than we all have that is informing their decisions, and they have a different filter through which they process that information.

    Now, I understand that having that information is not an indication as to whether the way they are using or filtering that information is correct or well-founded at its core. You can have all the right information and still have decisions that end up being wrong despite all the best intentions in the world. And then there are the things that no person can know for sure having to factor in. I’m naive at times, I’ll admit, but I come by it honestly, and I’m not stupid.

  85. DONNYBROOK April 3rd, 2013 at 10:48 am

    If he does it again this season vs lefties, that would be 2 consecutive, and being Over 30, that Does matter.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    The Yankees need a different Stadium to play in if they want to be so weighted on the pitching side of things.

    They do seem to be stockpiling LHP in the minors, which does make sense for the ballpark, but a San Francisco Giants approach isn’t going to turn the Yankees back into an uber team: not going to happen.

    Besides, the Giants have a young plus catcher behind the plate, a short-stroke offense and a park that encourages doubles and triples.

  87. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    We will need a SS long before 2018 so I really could care less Ken!

  88. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Shame -

    At any point in a baseball season, one or the other half of club, if it is balanced, can “cover” for the other half. Balance doesn’t mean a perfectly executed game every day. It’s being able to be comfortable with the idea that if your offense is down one day, your pitching will be there, and vice versa.

    Oh, would it be so simple as everything is perfectly balanced on a daily basis so that you’re winning ballgames every day by a score of, say, 5-2. LOL

    At the start of the 2008 season, the Yankees were comfortable with the idea that things would even out.

  89. austinmac April 3rd, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Yes, Cespedes was a risk. I just don’t get how the A’s, perhaps the poorest team in baseball, could take the riks the the richest team could not. Again and again they will not take any risks except the risk that a declining veteran will somehow run into Ponce De Leon.

    It is as simple as Shame says. They didn’t want to tie up any money for 2014 and beyond. So, they end up with castoffs for this year and no one for next.

    That is no plan. That is foolishness. I agree with Randy that the foolishness will become apparent even to those who keep believing.

    Why do they have a goame on 4/3 at night? Seems like a good chance it would be very cold.

    Any forecasts on the attendance?

  90. UnKnown April 3rd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    I’m excited to watch Kuroda work. 3-1 Yanks win.

  91. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    jasoncollette ?@jasoncollette 1m
    Darvish since 7/1/12: 104.1 IP, 75 H, 6, HR, 39 BB, 129 K’s.

  92. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Why don’t you at least give him a chance to fail?
    you may be right, you may be wrong.

    —————————-

    In a sense, he’s already failed. I mean the Yanks aren’t laying at the bottom of the ocean but they’ve definitely hit the iceberg.

    I recall the day of the aborted Cliff Lee trade. It seemed like absolute overkill as the rotation already led the league in wins by a wide margin. But the Yanks had the money and the prospects to do as they wished. It was almost unfair to the rest of the league that they could get Lee.

    What about today? Does it seem like they’re invincible? They’re closer to being a punchline than they are a powerhouse.

  93. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    “Do you think one year of not hitting lefties negates seven years where he did?”

    No, but that’s what I most want to see from Cano this season. A repeat of his 2012 platoon split would be a red flag about bat speed.

  94. DONNYBROOK April 3rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    What frequently gets Lost around here is that info is Good, but there is NO substitute for seeing and feeling a player’s impact on a team 1st Hand. NONE. Hal issa cold fish when it comes to baseball. He NEVER wanted the position he is currently in, and has NO feel for The Game or the players that participate in it.

  95. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Ha – or even, if the offense was having a bad day, you’d win 2-0, and if the pitching having a bad day, winning 11-10.

    But, what you end up hoping for is that on most days the pitching/offense will be in sync. And on the better teams, they are more than not. Including the Yankees.

    I sometimes cannot believe we are talking about a team that has dominated the regular season for the last 18 years. (and I don’t want to go into discussion of post-season shortcomings because I’m talking strictly about the regular season)

  96. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Darvish = risk worth taking given age, stuff, health, only money required

    Pineda fit none of those criterion, except maybe stuff, but only two pitches.

  97. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Bringing in three young pitchers in 2008 just showed how naive Cash and the Yankees were though. And then to go in the opposite direction because you left yourself vulnerable in the first place, doesn’t really make sense. Again, it is a fallacy to think that playing vets results in or guarantees more success than playing talent even if it is on a learning curve. Just a silly idea.

    As for Cespedes and Darvish, money aside, the Yankee talent evaluators failed big time. Those two could have set the Yankees up for many years, plus they could have retained Montero. Poor planning.

  98. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 10:57 am

    DONNYBROOK April 3rd, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Shame is echoing Mr Miyagi, “MUST have balance”.

    ————-

    I’m a grown up Tum Tum.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 10:59 am

    He’s Over 30, and If he continues to NOT hit lefties like last season, your digging yourself a hole by committing to him for anything Over 6yrs.
    ///

    It is highly probable that last year’s numbers vs. LHP were an anomaly:

    Robinson Cano career vs LHP as LHB

    Overall:

    PA 1666 .290/.337/.452 /.790

    vs LH Starter:

    PA 1567 .294/.343 /.472/.815

  100. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 10:59 am

    “plus they could have retained Montero.”

    I am convinced that was never going to happen: trade talks for Halladay, Lee, then Pineda, who knows how many negotiations went unreported.

  101. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Turley made MiLB’s top ten prospects expected to surprise in 2013. But I think many have started taking notice. Love that he was a 50th rounder. :)

    Eastern League
    “Nik Turley, SP, Trenton Thunder: There are 50 rounds in the MLB Draft and 6-foot-4 Nik Turley was selected in the last of them, No. 1,502 overall in 2008 — the third-to-last player picked that year. Despite the late attention (teams expected him to attend BYU), the 23-year-old California native enters Opening Day ranked as the Yankees’ No. 14 prospect after going 10-5 with a 3.00 ERA and 117 strikeouts in 24 games at two levels last year. A lefty who strikes out about a batter an inning, Turley will likely anchor the Trenton rotation after earning Florida State League All-Star honors last summer with Class A Advanced Tampa.”

    I hope to see his velo go up a few ticks this year. Wish his game tomorrow were being televised.

  102. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Doreen – Of course game to game you could see unbalanced results even with a largely balanced team, but what’s at play here is the planning part. When you plan for one side of your club to be weaker than the other, you’re taking on an extreme risk before the games even begin.

    There have been teams in the past ten years that have had similarly structured unbalanced approaches and they’ve still done well in the regular season (2007 immediately comes to mind, when our offense was awesome and our pitching terrible). I’m not saying it’s a season killer… but it’s a big risk with a club already carrying a ton of it. We were carrying risk once we lost to Detroit. Instead of mitigating it, we’ve actually acquired more.

    Again, it’s a product of the current plan: don’t add money beyond 2013. It’s a product of not being quite sure which road to take to get there. So you don’t spend on some cheap options and before you know it you’ve got Vernon Wells, the immovable contract, on your books for not just one but two seasons.

    I just wish in 2011 when they started eying 2014 as a $189 goal they would have started evaluating their own needs better. What has happened this off season is a byproduct of what happened or didn’t happen last off season.

  103. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Rich, me too, but again if they didn’t think he had a position (looks like they were wrong), then they should have traded for offense. I get the core cost-controlled pitching theme, but any reasonable GM would not sacrifice his offense to such an extent unless he overrated it in the first place.

  104. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Mike Rice fired. Finally.

  105. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:07 am

    And Pineda again is so much more of a risk both health and ceiling-wise than an established pitcher would have been.

  106. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Again and again they will not take any risks except the risk that a declining veteran will somehow run into Ponce De Leon.

    —————

    :lol:

    I heard tonight is supposed to be a cold one, mac. Mid 40′s. I wouldn’t expect a big crowd.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    I sometimes cannot believe we are talking about a team that has dominated the regular season for the last 18 years.
    ///

    Those editions of the team are gone. Just putting on the uniform does not a special player make. There’s less talent and youth in that uniform today than there has been in years and years.

  108. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    And speaking of young pitching prospects. Hensley is having surgery on his hip. At least it is not his arm.

    Josh Norris?@jnorris427 32m
    Heard the surgery Ty Hensley is having is on his hip. Working to get whatever else I can. #yankees

  109. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Ty Hensley@TyHensley17
    Praying for the hands of the surgeons working on me today, a successful surgery, and a speedy recovery.

  110. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Here’s Hal’s money shot concerning the $189MM

    “I’m looking at it as a goal, but my goals are normally considered a requirement”

    The yanks big advantage was in the free agent market and with these words he is basically telling all soon-to-be free agents and their agents that the biggest buyers won’t be there when the bell is rung. Get your money now because the bidding war that you hoped for will not include the biggest bidder.

    And we thought Hank was the dumb one. Or maybe Hal’s just a communist. :wink:

  111. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 11:12 am

    “I sometimes cannot believe we are talking about a team that has dominated the regular season for the last 18 years. (and I don’t want to go into discussion of post-season shortcomings because I’m talking strictly about the regular season)”

    Doreen, you said it yourself:

    “They got very lucky with the “Core” bunch – they seemed to be ML ready right away and the growing pains were minimal. ”

    Call it luck, skill, or a combination of both, that model has been abandoned, even while they have reaped the fruits of it for…18 years…

  112. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I’m sorry.

    But I cannot go along with the idea that just about everything the Yankees have done in the last 10 years was the equivalent of throwing a dart and hoping it landed on bullseye.

    There have been some good decisions, there have been some bad decision, there have been some neutral decisions.

    They’ve fielded a winning team for a long time.

    To hear some of you tell it, you’d like to me go along with the idea that even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    It may well be that with the changing of the guard, coupled with the parity in MLB and the new CBA, the Yankees may be in uncharted territory and sailing may not be as smooth. Change takes time, especially if it means a close to a total change in the way you’ve been going about your business. I do not and will not go along with the thinking that the New York Yankees are totally clueless. It is mentally exhausting to keep swimming upstream here some days.

  113. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 11:15 am

    This is what annoys me the most about the budget: They won’t even spin it.

    I haven’t heard either Cash or Hal complain very much about the luxury tax and how it’s an unfair practice, and how they’re tired of bankrolling other teams. Why not play that part up? Why not try to sell it?

    Instead they’re telling us that the budget has nothing to do with the moves they’ve made. This… is lie telling.

    This is like that time my nephew ran down my block. Once I got a hold of him he insisted to me that the wind blew him all the way down the street. He could hear me calling him.. but the wind took him..

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 11:15 am

    yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:10 am
    Ty Hensley@TyHensley17
    Praying for the hands of the surgeons working on me today, a successful surgery, and a speedy recovery.
    ///

    Hip can be tricky. Ugh.

  115. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 11:18 am

    No one is saying they’re clueless Doreen.. we’re saying they have a plan that revolves around something we don’t care about: the budget. We’ve been used to them formulating plans that revolve around something we do care about: winning.

    I don’t doubt they’re smart. Look at how they have people supporting them raising ticket prices and cutting back on salary! They’re very very savvy. Don’t mistake the criticisms of what they’re doing for insults to their intelligence. It might come out that way, but it’s not about actual ability. It’s about the premise of the plan and a fundamental break between the fans and the FO.

  116. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    What kind of surgery is Ty Hensley having?

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Doreen, you’re fond of saying things like “they tried everything with Joba”.

    Yet you have no answer for why he only had 89 IP in miL, which is a stark rebuttal to your sweeping, hyperbolic and baseless claim that they “tried everything.”

    Nova, for example, had over 500 IP in the miL.

  118. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Rich -

    Was it EVER a model, though?

  119. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Someone in PP forum said Hensley’s hip surgery is related to the ab strain. Fingers crossed on the surgery.

    Problem is you make the playoffs and you get complacent/conservative. You still have to evaluate your talent. Playoff hitting is a whole other beast, and it is not just about sample size but evaluating your team including its bat speed. You can’t just fatten up on the regular season and then expect to produce in the playoffs because of your regular season mistake hitting. Anyone who attended those Texas playoff games in 2010 would have been appalled to see how outplayed we were. The Rangers were flying around the bases, while we were running in quicksand. And the declining bat speed lack was apparent even then. And I do have to question our ability to evaluate talent. Hopefully, the next wave which has some hugh upside will contribute mightily to the new core. But no promises.

  120. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 11:22 am

    I mean.. only an absolute genius could get people to pay for regular season tickets priced at $1k and field a team of Vernon Wells, Jason Nix, Francisco Cervelli, Eduardo Nunez and Ben Francisco.

    No one is dumb in the Yankees FO lol.

    They’re brilliant.

    And we’re the fools that will never stop loving them. I feel like I’m in a Nicholas Sparks novel….

  121. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:22 am

    *huge upside

  122. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    randy-
    ” if you were around then,you’d probably say give richard nixon a chance with the viet nam war too.”
    ===========================
    you assume too much.
    and you are wrong in this case.
    why do you not address my questions?
    go back and look at them.
    in your own way you are as close-minded as any other person who thinks they are right all the time.
    the rs blew up their team as we will next year to reset it.
    that’s all i am saying….not defending hal, he thinks he is doing right just as much as you think you are right…..again you may be, but this isn’t Viet Nam and your protests won’t change anything as we like to think ours did back in the 60′s.

  123. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Doreen

    Remember this quote by Cashman when he got more power in 2006?

    “We have the most money, there’s no secret about that,” Cashman said. “If you combine that with the best decision-making process on a consistent basis, then God help the rest of baseball.”

    What do you think it meant?

    IOW, what leverages your payroll advantage more than cost-controlled young players?

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Don’t mistake the criticisms of what they’re doing for insults to their intelligence. It might come out that way, but it’s not about actual ability. It’s about the premise of the plan and a fundamental break between the fans and the FO.
    ///

    I guess you’re speaking for yourself, but for my part, I do think they lack evaluative intelligence.

  125. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    But Shame, many people aren’t attending games. There has been a big STH dump in the last two years. Read NYY fans and check the emails the Yanks keep bombarding our mailboxes with offering us seats that weren’t even fathomable in 2010. So, OD is one thing; let’s see how many attend Yankee April games in the cold, especially with this lineup and no Jeter (Teix, Grandy and Alex…)

  126. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Maybe Doreen meant they tried everything with Joba as in ‘every role and every way to mess with a player in that role’ rather than ‘everything possible to successfully develop’ :)

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 11:26 am

    No one is dumb in the Yankees FO lol.

    They’re brilliant.

    And we’re the fools that will never stop loving them. I feel like I’m in a Nicholas Sparks novel….
    ///

    Uh, not really. People are dropping their season subscriptions like hot potatoes. Not so brilliant, really.

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Yeah, maybe JF. They even ran a rigged “competition” that was decided beforehand.

    They tried everything.

  129. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    The yanks big advantage was in the free agent market and with these words he is basically telling all soon-to-be free agents and their agents that the biggest buyers won’t be there when the bell is rung. Get your money now because the bidding war that you hoped for will not include the biggest bidder.
    ====================
    If you have noticed more and more players are getting extensions.
    FA is quickly becoming a thing of the past.
    Owners are noticing they usually get a better deal if they resign players before they go on the market…and they don’t lose them.
    Hal isn’t the only one and when he gives Cano his extension he will have officially joined the club.

  130. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    So yf, we really don’t know what the issue is? That sucks. My best to him.

  131. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Rich, hip surgery and maybe related to his ab strain. Supposedly, the agent will give more info later today.

  132. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:29 am

    I guess you’re speaking for yourself, but for my part, I do think they lack evaluative intelligence.
    ========================
    I would like to see what you could do for this team. Seriously, why don’t they have any forward thinkers in the FO?

  133. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 11:29 am

    “Hal isn’t the only one and when he gives Cano his extension he will have officially joined the club.”

    That’s not exactly right. The time to give a player an long-term extension is when he is young enough so that a longer deal has less risk. They did that with Cano some years ago. They should have tried to extend it again a year or so ago.

  134. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Uh, not really. People are dropping their season subscriptions like hot potatoes. Not so brilliant, really.
    ============
    They’re dropping them too b/c they can’t resell them on Stubhub with the ease and at the cost needed to get rid of them.
    It’s not the revolution yet…it could happen but not there yet.
    Next year could be a disaster but they could bounce back the year after just as easily, like the RS are trying to now.

  135. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:33 am

    They should have tried to extend it again a year or so ago.
    ====================
    Hopefully they will now. It would be in their best interest. The years will be the issue.

  136. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Right, long term extensions started to become a big thing a few years ago and resulted in a lack of first time FA’s going on the market. That is why the farm has become so important, and why teams lock up their players. The Yankees have to do business differently and can no longer dismiss signing players to extensions.

  137. bruceb April 3rd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Shame. Your nephew must be seriously under-nourished! You need to take him to the stadium for a $12 double burger.

  138. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:37 am

    The Yankees have to do business differently and can no longer dismiss signing players to extensions.
    ==================
    I think this is Hal’s goal.
    He can’t be as stupid as Randy claims he is.
    We might have to go down for a year or 2 but having been down before, with no direction, this seems like a minor glitch and I don’t see the droughts of the past occurring again.

  139. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:38 am

    mick, as you know the loss of stubhub hooked up to a Yankee STH account is a biggie. A lot of STH’s (and fans) are p’d off that the Yankees are trying to control the market, and annoyed at the Levine/Trost lip service that the ticket exchange is in the STH’s best interest. LOL at that. The whole new way of doing business does NOT serve Yankee fans. How has it affected you? You expecting to use Stubhub or Ticket Exchange?

  140. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    J Alfred -

    Doreen, you’re fond of saying things like “they tried everything with Joba”.

    Yet you have no answer for why he only had 89 IP in miL, which is a stark rebuttal to your sweeping, hyperbolic and baseless claim that they “tried everything.”

    Nova, for example, had over 500 IP in the miL.
    *******
    Whoa! Where did that come from? What “sweeping, hyberbolic and baseless claim?” When?

    I told you I really don’t want to get into Joba. I think it’s a hot-button topic that only gets people upset for no good outcome.

    First of all, when they didn’t send Joba to the minors when they chose Hughes instead, I was among those who posted that they didn’t understand why he wasn’t sent down. I thought he should have been sent down and said so.

    However, once they made the decision to keep him here, nothing they tried worked. And they did try everything SHORT OF sending him to the minors. I have no idea why they made this decision, and I didn’t agree with that part of it. I didn’t agree with it then, and I don’t agree with it now.

    Having said that, I also believe that players themselves bear some responsibility for their own performance.

    Also, even though there is no proof, I personally believe that the injury he suffered in 2008 effected everything that came after. Whether it was physical or emotional or psychological I believe it had an impact. On both parties.

    And I don’t believe the Yankees were malicious in their handling of Joba. The entire situation was obviously not successful. It does no good to rehash it over and over again.

    This really felt out of left field, J. Alfred.

  141. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    mick, the Yanks have no choice. They will get with the program, plus hopefully we have some rookie young’uns of our own wearing the pinstripes in a couple of years. Can’t wait.

  142. bruceb April 3rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    You can get tickets on StubHub for the Diamondbacks series for as little as $6 so I guess the Yankees’ plan to squeeze them out isn’t working.

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Kuroda will be pitching in the cold. Hope he can handle it enough to be effective and to not get hurt.

    These April nights have been rough for several years, now. For the last few, it’s rained and rained and rained. You can’t give those games away.

  144. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:41 am

    YF

    I have heard from Trost that you can still buy tix from SH within the window of 48 hours to 3 hrs before the game if you want to print them and YS will honor them.

    I just bought OTD tix from T.Master at face + fees and printed them.

    Will see about future tix when the need arises….not too worried.

  145. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    I wouldn’t say “nothing worked” with regard to Joba. The Yankees decided to stop being patient based on a small sample size, and relegated a very talented 4 pitch pitcher to the pen. Thus, they gave themselves one less weapon, and decreased Joba’s value and ceiling. A seventh inning relief pitcher is fungible. Joba could have been so much more than that. What a waste.

  146. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    They will get with the program, plus hopefully we have some rookie young’uns of our own wearing the pinstripes in a couple of years. Can’t wait.
    =======================
    That’s all I’m sayin YF…it’s better for my mental health that way ;)

  147. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Hal isn’t the only one and when he gives Cano his extension he will have officially joined the club.

    —————-

    The one positive thing to come out of this.

    If Cano really wants to remain a Yankee then an extension is his best bet. There’s no guarantee that the Yanks are going to get into a bidding war if he gets to free agency. So they kind of need to figure out what his value is on the open market without them in the bidding… and then give him a little more.

    Who knows? Maybe the whole 189 is a smokescreen to get Cano to extend. :wink:

  148. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Shame – fine. But it feels like at times the examples are going farther and farther back into the past.

    Look, maybe it’s me and the way I perceive things.

    I am not liking the way this budget thing is playing out so far. I have a way of looking at it that goes against just about everyone here, and I’m willing to give it time in spite of the fragility that is evident right now. I am also willing to see if Hal is genuine when he says winning trumps the budget. Again, I know this flies in the face of the majority opinion of Lohud. But as I said to Randy, I’ve been wrong before, and if I’m wrong again, I’m sure I’ll survive (with egg on my face, no doubt).

  149. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Doreen, you’re fond of saying things like “they tried everything with Joba”.

    Yet you have no answer for why he only had 89 IP in miL, which is a stark rebuttal to your sweeping, hyperbolic and baseless claim that they “tried everything.”
    ====================
    Doreen-
    Don’t take this guy personally.
    He really isn’t very tactful.
    Kinda angry, if you ask me, which you didn’t, but what the hey ;)

  150. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    mick, good for you. My thought is the SH change will most affect the fans who want to wait until prices drop, print them out and go last minute. I haven’t explore it, but think the window isn’t so good for purchasing and printing from Stubhub, and the pick up a subway stop away for hard tix/copies might deter some from attending games all together. Ticket Exchange doesn’t look to user friendly for the buyer. I know the football equivalent is kind of a pain, but that one has a face value floor.

  151. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    bruceb, Diamondbacks series should be fun. Weekday night in April against NL, so you’d expect it to be a cheap ticket. I am hoping that one of the games has IPK vs. Hughes. I’ll attend that even if it is cold out.

  152. pat April 3rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I hope he doesn’t forget it’s about baseball….

    RobinsonCano
    Empire State of Mind… pic.twitter.com/bfe9lMCFHT

  153. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Rich in NJ -

    Remember this quote by Cashman when he got more power in 2006?

    “We have the most money, there’s no secret about that,” Cashman said. “If you combine that with the best decision-making process on a consistent basis, then God help the rest of baseball.”

    What do you think it meant?

    IOW, what leverages your payroll advantage more than cost-controlled young players?

    ****

    I think it meant that they would always use their money; I think it meant that they would also try to be at the upper levels of all the factors that go into building a successful team (scouting, developing, training, etc.)

    I really didn’t ever ever ever think that payroll would be a concern of theirs.

  154. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    I am not liking the way this budget thing is playing out so far. I have a way of looking at it that goes against just about everyone here, and I’m willing to give it time in spite of the fragility that is evident right now. I am also willing to see if Hal is genuine when he says winning trumps the budget. Again, I know this flies in the face of the majority opinion of Lohud. But as I said to Randy, I’ve been wrong before, and if I’m wrong again, I’m sure I’ll survive (with egg on my face, no doubt).
    =======================
    Doreen-
    I will agree with one thing. You are wrong in thinking the majority opinion here is entirely against Hal. In fact, I have felt so much more disdain for his father until after he was suspended than I do for the son (small s….not the inflammatory S).

  155. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:56 am

    mick, good for you. My thought is the SH change will most affect the fans who want to wait until prices drop, print them out and go last minute.
    ================================
    YF-I still believe that option will exist.
    It’s the way Ive been buying my tix for years.
    I see less week day games this year tho which is what I prefer.

  156. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    gotta run…keep the faith.

  157. DONNYBROOK April 3rd, 2013 at 11:58 am

    When it comes to Hal, all you gotta remember is that he is in a position he attempted to Avoid earlier in his life. There is NO passion, Never has been, going Way back.

  158. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I think it meant that they would always use their money; I think it meant that they would also try to be at the upper levels of all the factors that go into building a successful team (scouting, developing, training, etc.)

    I really didn’t ever ever ever think that payroll would be a concern of theirs.
    _

    Doreen

    But that’s not the only thing he has said.

    He also said they would no longer have to sign high other team’s free agent pitchers.

    So it was definitely about developing homegrown talent as well as being able to spend.

    He has not achieved the standard he set.

  159. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Whoa! Where did that come from? What “sweeping, hyberbolic and baseless claim?” When?

    I told you I really don’t want to get into Joba. I think it’s a hot-button topic that only gets people upset for no good outcome.

    First of all, when they didn’t send Joba to the minors when they chose Hughes instead, I was among those who posted that they didn’t understand why he wasn’t sent down. I thought he should have been sent down and said so.

    However, once they made the decision to keep him here, nothing they tried worked. And they did try everything SHORT OF sending him to the minors. I have no idea why they made this decision, and I didn’t agree with that part of it. I didn’t agree with it then, and I don’t agree with it now.

    Having said that, I also believe that players themselves bear some responsibility for their own performance.

    Also, even though there is no proof, I personally believe that the injury he suffered in 2008 effected everything that came after. Whether it was physical or emotional or psychological I believe it had an impact. On both parties.

    And I don’t believe the Yankees were malicious in their handling of Joba. The entire situation was obviously not successful. It does no good to rehash it over and over again.

    This really felt out of left field, J. Alfred.
    ///

    How about trying to give him more than a year and half to make it as a starter??

    My point was, you’ve made that statement here about Chamberlain, which is, at odds with the facts of his handling, and the lack of miL innings proves that they made a snap decision. But it’s those kinds of decisions and failures that mitigate for an unfavorable view of management that you seem to think is somehow unbalanced:

    “To hear some of you tell it, you’d like to me go along with the idea that even a broken clock is right twice a day.”

    All I’m saying is, if you really believe they “tried everything” to make Chamberlain a successful starter, when to many others, they clearly folded their tent after a year and a half (even with the injury in the mix, which makes them even more impatient), then I don’t think there’s any chance for a consensus view of management’s track record, because what you view as decidedly negative, can in turn, view you as erring on the apologetic side, since Joba’s management is a poster child for much that they have done wrong.

    And, if not malicious (not my word), there certainly was a large dose of caprice in Joba’s so-called “development.”

    Was it OK or professional to hold a kangaroo-style “competition” in ST? Was it OK or professional for Dave Eiland to be chatting up Hughes all offseason but have failed to place even one phonecall to Chamberlain prior to ST 2010?

  160. pat April 3rd, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Joel Sherman?@Joelsherman
    Spoke to Boras for half hour. Stressed Cano renewed 1-yr rep deal on 3/20, which to Boras meant he was happy as recently
    as 2 wks ago with his representation. Also, Boras said at Hal Steinbrenner’s request negotiations for an extension would
    continue early in season. which Boras says shows that negotiations were going fine with #Yankees and Cano was fully abreast and onboard. Boras quote: “Robinson signed his representation agreement with us on March 20 for another year (of representation). We had negotiations set up for early in the season with Hal and Randy (Levine). We don’t normally negotiate during the season with the team, but Hal requested it and so we decided to do it. There were no issues in the process. We were working fluidly.” #Yankees

  161. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    why don’t you stop the militant bs ?

  162. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Rich in NJ -

    He set it in motion.

    Gosh, this is so exhausing sometimes. :)

    He got them to buy into the idea of re-stocking the minor leagues. Probably a major victory for him at the time.

    He started by drafting a ton of pitchers and catchers, and AT THE TIME many if not most people thought it was a good place to start. Signed a lot of high risk arms, a lot of so-so arms that could be traded.

    I have zero knowledge about how they develop pitchers or position players. Zero. So I don’t want to comment on it. I do know that if you draft high risk pitchers, there is a good chance that some of them, perhaps all of them, will not pan out. When you draft international talent at age 16 or 17, you also do not know how that is going to turn out. It is a risk as well.

    I think you hope to hit on enough players to make it all worthwhile; I think you cross your fingers that injuries do not happen, but that if they do they are not career-ending or even significantly career- changing.

    He has since drafted position players. Some of whom look pretty good. Only time will tell.

    So, tell me, though. If this next “batch” of young players is allowed to enter the MLB doorway, and if they succeed, does Cashman get any credit? Or will it not count because it took a little longer than hoped?

    By the way, I’m open to hearing about factual details of how the the Yankees work their minor leagues, and how it differs from other teams, factually.

    Because from the books I’ve read which describe life in the minor leagues, none of it looks all that good.

  163. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Ok others might not be so dumb, but I’ll openly admit I’m part of the problem. I’m not going to cut down on my annual summer visits to the stadium. It’s time well spent, even if the team isn’t very good. I’ll always love baseball and I’ll always love the Yankees and I’ll always go. And for as long as they suck, I’ll always complain about it ;)

    The reality is the casual fans and corporations will keep the franchise financially afloat for years to come. Those $1k tickets were never meant for the fans anyway and people hit the stadium as a tourist stop. I fully support STHs for dropping out and making their voices heard in that manner, but since I’ve never been one of them it doesn’t effect me in the same way. I’ve always been a last minute buyer.

    I’m just waiting for them to introduce PSLs… that should be a good time.

  164. DONNYBROOK April 3rd, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Based on the Boras quotes above, once again, Cashman is outta the loop.

  165. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    He got them to buy into the idea of re-stocking the minor leagues. Probably a major victory for him at the time.

    He started by drafting a ton of pitchers and catchers, and AT THE TIME many if not most people thought it was a good place to start. Signed a lot of high risk arms, a lot of so-so arms that could be traded.
    __

    What does he have to show for it all these years later, Doreen?

  166. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    mick,

    I know you don’t like being ignored, even though your “contribution” here is to create ill will and attempt to weasel your way in between other people’s discussions.

    But if you like, I will compile your posts directed at the former poster Betsy, whom you actually created a separate account to double troll here for months, and then allow the board to decide whether or not you are in any position to decide what my or anyone else’s intent or character is here.

    You crave attention, and if you continue to get betwixt my conversations with others here without making a valid baseball-related point, I am happy to give you more attention than you can handle, and I will also happily send a copy to Chad.

    Your choice.
    ///

    Now, Doreen: I’m not a sugar-coater, but I am not “angry” at anyone.

  167. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Shame, how many games do you go to a year?

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    Ok others might not be so dumb, but I’ll openly admit I’m part of the problem. I’m not going to cut down on my annual summer visits to the stadium. It’s time well spent, even if the team isn’t very good. I’ll always love baseball and I’ll always love the Yankees and I’ll always go. And for as long as they suck, I’ll always complain about it
    ///

    I’ve dropped my season ticket plan, and they have been hounding me with emails ever since.

  169. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    J. Alfred -

    NO!

    I never said they CONTINUED to try everything to make Joba a successful starter. I said that in the year they did not send him down to the minor leagues, they were trying everything with him.

    Now, maybe as yankeefeminista said, they just lost patience too soon and threw up their hands and said, well, to the bullpen with you. I don’t know if that’s what happened. I was not in the clubhouse. I was not privy to the workouts, the discussions, whatever it is that goes on outside of the public eye. It seems odd that they would give others leeway that they did not give Joba, which makes me think there are things we do not know, which I realize I will never convince anyone else of, and I don’t try to. I state my OPINION. And as I said, I try very hard to stay out of any and all Joba discussions.

    I wish things were different. They are not. It makes no sense to me to keep harping on this. It’s done. Their handling of Joba at the time did not seem to have a foundation – it was literally “trying whatever they thought might work.” I never said otherwise.

    I’ve been at this Lohud place for six years. I have “witnessed” every conversation here and participated in many. At some point I decided that if I have voiced my opinion more than twice on a particular issue from the past that I would “opt out” of the subject matter (unless my opinion had changed). This is the last I will participate in a discussion on Joba.

  170. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Shame, how many games do you go to a year?

    ———–

    When I lived in the city, 30-40 easily. Sometimes more, sometimes less depending on my budget. I used to plan some weekends around 3-4 straight games (oh the days when weekends started on Thursday..*sigh*), those were the best. Get to see a few games AND work on my Jersey girl tan?? Pssh, doesn’t get better. Now that I’m in NJ again it’s cut back to about 20-25. Not many, to be fair.

  171. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Once they get the whole ‘teleportation’ thing together I’ll definitely go to more games again.. the traffic coming home after night games can be brutal.

  172. MG April 3rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    it’s really difficult to imagine that any pitcher who has both a shoulder injury and TJ surgery, plus a self inflicted severely broken angle could be a starting pitcher without spending at least one full season in the minors.

    If Chamberlain really wants to be a starting pitcher, he should have gone to the Yankees after the TJ surgery and said to let him do exactly that.

    Instead he’s completely abandoned the windup and has become a 1 inning pitcher and not a very good one at that.

  173. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    I used to just order tickets while I was at work or in between classes lol.. $5-6 bucks on StubHub. Ask the roomie to print them out and head to the game.

    The next StubHub hearing is April 15th or 16th. That should be a real interesting one to watch… if I’m StubHub and lose, I measure out 1,500 feet and plant myself near the old parking lots lol.

  174. austinmac April 3rd, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    I don’t like hearing Hensley is having hip surgery. At 19? What could that be? Another impingement thing like AROD? Whatever it is, it probably is not good.

    I think we can safely say Cashman’s rebuilding the farm has not worked. Seven years is a long time to develop some legitmate major league players. Yet, it has not worked. The concept was a good one. The execution was awful.

    Many will say we have some great kids in the pipeline. I hope so, but haven’t we been hearing that for a number of years? The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding is success in the major leagues.

  175. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Rich in NJ -

    You know, I am just as disappointed as the next person that the pitching didn’t go where it was supposed to go.

    I don’t pretend to have answers.

    I’m waiting for someone to talk about a day in the life of yankees minor league baseball. Who will blow the whistle on this organization that doesn’t know anything about development and ruins the careers of many hopefuls. Where is the exposé? I’m serious.

    Sometimes things do not go as planned. Sometimes the process is flawed. I’m willing to be shown how the process is flawed by someone with actual knowledge of it.

    Too much attention is paid to prospects at too early a time. We get excited about guys who are YEARS away, years during which anything can happen.

  176. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Doreen,

    I was making a point that perceived hyperbole cuts both ways. I don’t really think too many here are going after management unfairly.

    I think there is a deluge of criticism for good reason. Joba is very central, even beyond Joba himself, because the decision propelled them to “replace” him (people forget how good he was in 2008; being at the Stadium during those starts was electric and the feeling was an future Ace – never mind a “No. 2″ – had been born; that feels a million years away now, but it still happened).

    Both Javy and Pineda were moves made to compensate for what Joba did not become (let’s just table speculation as to “why” he didn’t become it, for the moment). Those moves cost the Yankees Melky Cabrera and Jesus Montero: two bats that, were they here, would have made the Yankees younger and better.

    It’s hard to defend people who idiotically wax on about “pitching” when their failures at development caused them to deplete the other half of what’s required to have success, in a vain search for what they just couldn’t get right.

  177. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Doreen

    All I want is accountability, and it’s not just about pitchers.

  178. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I’m starting to wonder if they’re not handing out TJS prematurely.

  179. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Doreen, prospects have become much more relevant as FA as we once knew it no longer exists. Why do you think Tampa and Boston hoarded a ton of picks in deals in the past couple of years, and why we have done the same this year? The more the merrier, as many won’t work out. But you have to play in order to win.

  180. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    btw, Doreen

    My complements over the level of discussion.

    Some people here (more so at other blogs) engage in personal attacks when you criticize the beloved Cashmoney.

    You stick to the issues.

  181. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Doreen, who is paying too much attention to prospects? Joel Sherman?

  182. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Now that I’m in NJ again it’s cut back to about 20-25. Not many, to be fair.
    ———————–

    That’s a lot in my book. I think I’m about 8-9 subway stops away and I doubt ill go 10 times this season. I’m a bad fan.

    I’d rather take a weekend and see them on the road.

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Too much attention is paid to prospects at too early a time. We get excited about guys who are YEARS away, years during which anything can happen.
    ////

    But the entire industry is closely scrutinizing prospects, all the way to A ball.

    The Yankees traded away their closest-to-majors and highest-upside hitter. Jackson was the other one who was closest.

  184. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Or compliments…

  185. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    They’re not gonna be accountable, Rich. Just not gonna happen. They are never going to have a press conference where they lay out what went wrong and offer an explanation why. The best you can do is listen for nuggets that are casually interspersed in various interviews and try and make sense of it, and try to figure out what is genuine and what is not.

    First of all, they will point to their record over the last 20 years as an example that overall they haven’t done badly at all, even if some of the individual steps along the way weren’t quite right. You’re never going to get it all right.

    Maybe someone will write a book long after their career that is dependent upon the Yankees is over.

  186. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    The next StubHub hearing is April 15th or 16th. That should be a real interesting one to watch… if I’m StubHub and lose, I measure out 1,500 feet and plant myself near the old parking lots lol.

    ————————-

    I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if the 1,500 feet starts at the curb or at the actual building. That’s a couple of hundred feet right there!

    I think the spot they wanted was across from the McDonalds.

  187. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    None of us know the reasons the Yankees make the choices they do. We can only analyze from the outside. I think that goes without saying. But we can applaud and critique Yankee moves and non-moves based on our evaluations/individual takes because after all this is a baseball blog, and if we aren’t reacting to, prognosticating, and exhorting Yankee moves, then what is the point of our being here? And the divergent opinions I hope is what makes this blog enjoyable. Otherwise, why bother?

  188. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Maybe someone will write a book long after their career that is dependent upon the Yankees is over.

    ————

    Seriously, how is it only Torre that’s written a book lol. Useless!! I think Cash would do it once he’s gone. THAT is a book I’d love to read.

    That.. and Hank’s.

  189. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Bronx – I’m jelly. I cannot tell you how many inappropriate rubs and grabs there are to experience on a sardine-packed downtown train to 161st Street lol.

    And I think they wanted the StubHub stand to the right of McDonalds (if you’re at the stadium, facing McDonalds) outside some of those bars. Same general area either way. But I agree.. take some measuring tape and move yourself down along the old stadium all the way back to the old parking garage. People still pull in over there anyway, and it wouldn’t be far from the subway stop.

  190. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    I think we can safely say Cashman’s rebuilding the farm has not worked. Seven years is a long time to develop some legitmate major league players. Yet, it has not worked. The concept was a good one. The execution was awful.
    ///

    Well, he traded his two most ready position players away and failed to replace them with IFAs or FA signings; whether that was money (Melky was available at 17 mil/2 years) or they didn’t like the “makeup” of the players available, or they just don’t think they can use younger, better hitters,….??….is anyone’s guess, but there were moves that could have been made to at least partially compensate for those self-inflicted losses… none were even legitimately explored, it would seem.

    They are in fairly good shape with their present pitching, but as many have pointed out, nothing short of dominance is likely to allow for any sustained success.

    Have to hope Flores or Austin just push their way onto the stage, or Mustelier gets a “trial” (maybe through injury; maybe Adams gets a look).

  191. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    In general, we all do to some extent. Some people have reasoned approaches. I believe many of those people are here.

    It’s human nature to be excited by the possibilities of the future. I go to games and I see these young players, and I wonder which of them will one day be a major leaguer (for the Yankees or not).

    But it is true that we know more about these players because of increased coverage starting from the draft (which, the baseball draft used to be a fairly nondescript affair), at a much earlier stage in their development. We are able to follow them much more easily. We are pretty conversant in “minor league.” This wasn’t always the case. There were exceptions in the past, for sure, the “phenoms.” But even those guys were in the highest levels of the minors. We are following promising players from the rookie league.

    Is it too much coverage? I think it could be.

  192. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Shame

    I would like to read Chip’s guy’s book: the ignominiously named (and once heir apparent): Steve Swindal.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03......html?_r=0

  193. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Doreen, I don’t think there is too much prospect coverage. People can pay attention to or ignore as they wish. A lot of new fans are getting into minor league ball, and the seasoned fan knows how many players bust. I think prospect exposure is good for baseball and the minor league parks. It’s a win-win.

  194. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Rich – I’ve sort of always wondered why Jennifer wasn’t the one to tabbed to take over once she got divorced and the succession plan was shaken up. My understanding is she’s the one that really loves the team out of all of George’s kids and she’s definitely been the most involved in the business over the years.

    I just thought it was weird how automatically his two sons took over when she was always a more visual player in the Yankee Universe.

    Maybe she just didn’t want it.. ?

  195. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Shame

    Patriarchal family values?

  196. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    True enough that as FA becomes more and more difficult a source of replenishing a team that the minor leaguers are more important.

    ****

    J Alfred, well, with pretty much half the team looking to be gone next year, and most prospective free agents extended by their own teams, what else is left but to promote from within?

    Surely, there aren’t enough dumpsters in all the world, are there?????

    *****

  197. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    tapped to take over*

    Good lord….

  198. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Shame,

    That sounds horrendous. I don’t do we’ll on packed cars. I get on and go right for the middle. That’s the trick.

  199. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    @PhilHughes65

    #ChooseMe to pitch perfect in the #MLB2K13 Perfect Game Challenge and you’ll smell like bank, bro. http://2kgam.es/PGC2K13

  200. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    As for discussing prospects, we have to be pretty excited about the number of picks we have this draft, and the @$7+ mil we can potentially spend. Let’s hope we are all in on putting our money where our farm is.

  201. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    Fair enough.

    I certainly can’t argue that it hasn’t been good for Waterfront Park and the SWB field. :)

  202. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Also, sure wish there was any Tampa Yanks and GCL prospect coverage…

  203. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Rich – Maybe… but I’d rather not think so. It doesn’t even seem like she’s considered an equal partner. It’s depressing to speculate about, but I wonder how George set up that stuff in his will. Ever since he’s passed on, it’s always been Hank and Hal. Jennifer isn’t even an afterthought.

    If I were George’s daughter, I could have opened up a whole world of bad puns about The Boss Lady.

  204. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 3rd, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    :(

    Joba.

    I know I’m a broken record on this one but this probably hurts my heart more than any of the others. There are realities that affect the way people operate. My OPINION is that a kid who grew up without a mother, on an Indian reservation, with a dad in a wheechair, not going to a high school that necessarily cared about turning out kids who become professional sports players, or even college players, didn’t come equipped with the tools that a lot of other minor and major leaguers come with. Joba did not have a heavy-duty advocate, other than his dad. He wasn’t scouted, pampered, schooled, or anything else. So he probably came up just grateful to even be there. When those midges screwed up the entire postseason, he just apologized and said he should have made his pitches but did not.

    Who exactly was taking care of this kid or worrying about him? He was exploited and then set aside IMO. It is a well known fact that alcoholism is very high on Indian reservations. What I’m saying is that ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, Joba was a very special case and someone in that organization should have been watching over him. For all the reasons already stated, Joba did not have the maturity level, experience, or social skills to take on the New York Yankees. He wasn’t coddled and protected in high school and beyond. He was pretty much on his own. Yes he had coaches, but he didn’t have the priming that someone like Hughes did from a very young age.

    Dave Eiland basically screwed over Joba. Again, Joba is a kid who probably thanks his lucky stars every day of his life that he is where he is and not back on the reservation. Go and ask for a starting job? I somehow can’t see him ever being that presumptious.

    Joba unquestionably has the skills. But he was never given he tools beyond that.

    IMO.

  205. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Is it too much coverage? I think it could be.
    ///

    Doreen,

    How is it too much coverage? In football, people follow the college game in and of itself and also get to speculate and have fun discussions on who their NFL team can hope to draft, etc.

    How is watching baseball players and having fun imagining them on your team detrimental? Do you mean that so-called independent scouting/analysts cover these guys too extensively? I find the rankings a little arbitrary, but I don’t mind their existence.

  206. Duh Innings II April 3rd, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    What annoys me about Martin and Swisher signing elsewhere is twofold:

    Martin essentially took a measly million dollar raise from his 2012 salary for 2013 and got the same amount of salary for 2014. He was certainly young enough to give at least two years to as he just turned 30 on February 15 thus will be only 32 on that date in 2015. The Yanks spent $14M, just $3M less than what Martin got from the Pirates, on an old super-fourth outifielder who may not even be a Yankee after this season (Wells.) How is only a year if that (if Wells makes it through 2013), maybe two of Wells, a decent at best defensive outfielder and wildcard offensively, worth only $3M less than Martin, a starting one time Gold Glove catcher (2007) for two years? If the Yanks don’t keep Wells after 2013 they essentially blew $14M on a fourth outfielder. What playing time will Wells get once Granderson returns in mid-May? Granderson owns CF, Suzuki RF. Gardner owns LF for now as I wouldn’t just hand him the position for the entire year as he’s a super-fourth outfielder if he doesn’t post at least .340 OBP and steal bases at 50 stolen bases for the year pace. Leftfield is the only place I could see Wells getting signifcant playing time unless he DHes, too. The Yankees could very well be paying $14M for less than two months of Wells – ridiculous and spare me it doesn’t cont

    Which brings me to Swisher. Swisher is making a half million dollars less than what the Yanks are paying Wells this year. How is Wells worth half a million dollars more than Swisher? I think Swisher would’ve remained a Yankee had they offered him three years at $14M a year for $42M total, a year and $14M less than what 68-94 Cleveland signed him for, with or without a $14M club option for 2016 or a $14M mutual option with a $3M buyout for 2016 which would’ve paid him for either $45M ($15M a year average salary) or $56M (what Cleveland signed him for.) Also Wells is making $1.25M more than what Swisher was paid last year – how is 2013 Wells worth $1.25M more than 2012 Swisher? Again, ridiculous.

  207. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ery-84508/

  208. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Bronx, believe me when you’re coming from downtown up to the stadium no where is safe unless you want to ride between the cars (not recommended!).

    When I say packed I mean PACKED. And for years I was coming from the WTC, so you’d think at that point I’d at least get on a fairly empty car to have it fill up as we went uptown. No such luck.

    I remember watching 3 completely stuffed trains pass me by, hoping the next one would actually provide a space for me to get on it…. and, again, this is down by the WTC! I do NOT envy Bronx dwellers during baseball season.

  209. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    True enough that as FA becomes more and more difficult a source of replenishing a team that the minor leaguers are more important.

    ****

    J Alfred, well, with pretty much half the team looking to be gone next year, and most prospective free agents extended by their own teams, what else is left but to promote from within?

    Surely, there aren’t enough dumpsters in all the world, are there?????

    *****
    ///

    Oh, he’ll find them ;).

    But yes, that’s also my pared down hope: that they will make the right choice because there aren’t any other options – except to go with youth.

    It’s when they have “choices” that I begin to worry.

  210. Duh Innings II April 3rd, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    *spare me Wells doesn’t count towards the 2013/14 luxury tax.

  211. austinmac April 3rd, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    We all need to realize most prospects don’t work out and telling the guys who will succeed isn’t easy. So many things can happen on and off the field with young men. Look at Hensley. Who would expect hip surgery.

    Luck is certainly a factor, and I am ready for some. I did read that Heathcott said he has to play hard but also smarter. I can’t wait for Trenton, Tampa and the others to play.

  212. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Shame, I actually like the packed cars. Especially after a big win, all jammed in on the 4 train; everyone in high spirits and communing. I even love the ritualistic walk to the El, especially from the old Stadium, from up in the tier through the seats to beat the crowd; then down to the pissy Gate 2 bathrooms, and out to the street. Then up the steep staircase with the postgame on the headsets, while maneuvering to situate one self by a subway car door while waiting. Great karmic crowd energy still buzzing in the dark city night! Heaven!

  213. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Trisha,

    Joba did have Andy and Mo when he got here. They both “took care” of him. I think C did also.

    I know Joba said that Andy, during retirement, texted him practically every day.

    What kills me, and has killed me, is we have an incredibly awesome secret weapon: we have sage veterans who have been stars, who are brilliant at taking our youngsters under their wing and helping them cope with life on and off the field, and with being accountable Yankees.

    What’s happened?? Cashman has taken all the talented youth that would be schooled to become the next generation, away.

    By the time Sanchez, et al, arrive, Jeter, Alex, Mo, Andy will be long gone.

  214. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    J Alfred -

    I could be mistaken, but aren’t players who are drafted for football out of college going to immediately impact the team that drafts them?

    I’m just saying the road to the major leagues can be long and arduous and spotlight and coverage may be starting too soon in the development of the player.

    Look at Dante Bichette. Taking where he was drafted out of the discussion for the time being, he had a really good start. Then took a step backward. All of a sudden, you read he’s a bust. Same with Betances. (Not you J Al, or anyone who seriously follows – watches – these players.) These kids are raised on pedestals and then they hit a plateau and they are flung aside blithely as failed. It seems like too much to ask young players to have to go through. Then again, it could build character to read on Twitter how much you stink because you didn’t follow the career trajectory that someone said you’d be on.

    It broke my heart to read Nuñez twitter (and he’s not even the category of player I’m talking about!) how he needs to prove the haters wrong.

    Do you remember when Phil Hughes had his blog? Everything was honky dory until he had the nerve to not be perfect. Did you read some of those awful awful posts? (I didn’t make it a habit, but I did look at his blog every once in a while back then.)

    Maybe I’m just an old fogey pining for the olden days of ignorance, when a player just appeared “off the farm” ready to go, magically! LOL

  215. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    I do NOT envy Bronx dwellers during baseball season.

    —————

    Yeah they must HATE the Yankees. :lol: Who’s bright idea was to put the stadium up there anyway?

  216. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Great karmic crowd energy still buzzing in the dark city night! Heaven!
    ///

    Hey there, Jack Kerouac! :D

  217. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Fem – After games it’s great. People filter out at different times so the trains aren’t nearly as bad (in my experience). Usually someone is drunkenly singing New York, New York. I vividly remember watching a totally blasted girl singing it and then puking half way through a verse before face-planting in it. I started a slow clap but no one followed….life is never like the movies.

    But on the way there, ugh! Totally different beast. To get to the stadium by game time you’re usually heading up around peak commuting hours… half the people on those trains are just trying to get home. I’d hate my life for 81 days out of the year if I were a Bronx native.

  218. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Or they will hvae formed a collective and purchased the team!!!

  219. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Yeah they must HATE the Yankees. :lol: Who’s bright idea was to put the stadium up there anyway?

    ———

    Lol, nothing is worse than the non-support that team in Queens gets. No express trains after those games is a slow torture…..

  220. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Doreen, I think Bichette has a good head on his shoulders and grew up in a baseball family. He will be fine, as will Cito (another who was harshly criticized and continues to be). However, these kids grew up in a media/facebook world, so they are probably more immune than you and I would be to endless comments… if they are even reading the stuff. Media is in everyone’s face 24 hours a day, and I am sure the Yankees have schooled players in keeping that even keel and not letting the ever-changing sound bite/tweet affect them unduly. MLB players get the same treatment and some aren’t immune to the constant media/fan bombardment. Look at the Cano and “lazy” narratives which the media blew all out of proportion, to the extent that Cano even had to answer to the unfair categorization. And look at Cashman’s recent defensiveness. I think he is reading Lohud et al, as I write this. ;)

  221. RadioKev April 3rd, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Hensley had hip surgery. Hopefully just a minor bump in the road.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ery-84508/

  222. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Doreen,

    Oh, I see what you mean. It’s the players you feel have too much spotlight on them to be comfortable.

    Well, probably not so bad. Imagine being Rizzuto and having Stengel tell him he was too small to make it. :D That must have made little Scooter even more determined.

    Who cares what Keith Law says, if you’re Dellin Betances?

    And if I’m Nuney, I’m telling Cashman, hey – Yogi’s forgotten more baseball than you know! :D
    ///

    I also think, inside the teams, players understand that these sort of pop star, online scouting gurus need to say something splashy and resolute, ignoring that these guys are works in progress and you might see a hitter who has just been told to change his stance or how he positions his hands, etc, or a pitcher whose mechanics have been tweaked, or they’ve told him throw nothing but fastballs or throw your change up constantly, etc.

    The players know that someone like Keith Law or Goldstein (who, I guess got hired by a ML club) build their hits or whatever on making definitive statements. You do need a tough hide, I imagine, but the really talented ones aren’t going to be deterred, I don’t think, by some 15-minute scouting report, or by what you or I say about them on a message board.

  223. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    @KenDavidoff

    Scott Boras wonders what Robinson Cano was promised for him to switch agencies. #Yankees http://bit.ly/10r2VRW

    He gets to hang out with Jay and Bey and Gwyneth!! Duhhh.

  224. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    …and just to be fair, the more responsible of these virtual “scouts” do qualify their reports (so and so’s throwing a slider and it’s not there yet… etc).

  225. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Shame, when I lived on the UWS, I either started from Union Square, taking the 4 train, which actually wasn’t so awful, even in rush hour. Or I took the 2 on the UWS then went cross town to the 4, and experienced like you, a bunch of trains all packed and racing past. I have to say though that when I am in that baseball frame of mind, not much bothers me. I just figure another train will come. However, if it is a playoff game or there are train issues, that is another story. I remember the first game when Andy was pitching after coming back to the Bronx from Houston. We took the 2 uptown, and they dumped us because of some kind of train problem and we waited and waited, but finally concluded that no trains were running. We couldn’t get a cab (rush hour, none available). So, we walked miles and miles and finally across the Madison bridge to get to the Stadium. That was a drag, and we missed Andy’s first inning. :mad:

  226. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 3rd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    J Al – Joba needed someone in the Yankee organization looking out for his welfare. I’m sure players were there for him, but they couldn’t provide him with what he really needed – someone to basically watch out for him, to mentor him in bigger ways. Again, Joba is a very special case and he probably needed the equivalent of a dad away from home. They should have noted this and done something about it. His talent was/is that special, and his needs were/are also.

    It just did not have to be this way.

    I will never forget what happened the off season that Eiland decided to work with Hughes behind the scenes. Joba never had a chance to be a starter in that phony competition. And it just went downhill from there.

    What an incredible talent to have wasted and allowed to die on the vine, while the conspiracy of “favorites” was going on behind the scenes. I am going to continue to believe in karma (see Dave Eiland) and believe that things will somehow turn in such a way that Joba will get the chance he deserves, the chance the truly never got.

  227. austinmac April 3rd, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    I don’t know if Bichette or Culver will ever make it, and anyone who says otherwise Is simply wishimg and hoping. They were overreaches in the draft according to every pundit and they both struggled mightily last year. We can hope because those certainly positions of need going forward. I would put the chance of either of them ever playing a game in the majors at well less than 50%.

  228. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:35 pm


    Lol, nothing is worse than the non-support that team in Queens gets. No express trains after those games is a slow torture…..”

    So, are the path trains which take forever to come after a late playoff game. Ugh, the infrequent path trains are why I rarely take the train now when I am coming from NJ. Parking prices suck, but we always drive. Plus I have a neat little escape route.

  229. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    That’s true too, Yankeefem, these kids have grown up under the glare of the 24-hour panopticon.

    Always assume you are being watched :)

  230. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    austinmac, when it comes to the kids: don’t assume anyone will make it, but hope like hell… is my philosophy.

  231. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    yankeefeminista and J Al -

    You are probably both right here.

  232. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Trish, I pronounce it “sfoy lya tell.”

  233. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    “He gets to hang out with Jay and Bey and Gwyneth!! Duhhh.”

    Beats Melky, right? ;)

  234. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    I will never forget what happened the off season that Eiland decided to work with Hughes behind the scenes. Joba never had a chance to be a starter in that phony competition. And it just went downhill from there.
    ////

    Trisha, Eiland was the wrong pitching coach for Chamberlain, but Eppler was also instrumental in the decision to throw away the key. Cashman, also, is implicated, for not sticking to his guns.

    I have now accepted that he will never be converted back while a Yankee, and I hope, for his sake, that he is traded (so they actually redeem something) and gets to start elsewhere. As you point out, the talent has always been there.

  235. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Plus I have a neat little escape route.

    ————–

    Oh you’re not alone!! :twisted: I won’t deal with public transit from NJ, either.

    Maybe it was the time that I was always trying to get up there, as to why it was so packed.. It may come as a surprise to some of you, but I’m crazy about being prompt :D . I hate being anywhere late. I like to give myself a comfortable lead, always. It’s a byproduct of my mother, who as my dad always said, seemed to think we’d get a prize for showing up everywhere first.

  236. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    I know I wasn’t asked, but my family always pronounced it “sfeel-ya-dell.” First time I saw the actual spelling I was, “What????”

  237. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Doreen, btw, I think the Wed. day game @Trenton will be Tracy, if there are no rainouts, and everything stays the same. Bet he and the others that pitch to contact won’t be overly happy with Trenton’s infield defense. It was nice to have good D there while it lasted. This team will be great OF D, not so great infield D. I like that Trenton has 3 lefties in the rotation.

  238. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Trisha,

    Incidentally, I don’t know if you caught that special on Chamberlain YES did? He was working on some initiative, raising money for local schools in or near his hometown in Nebraska.

    They showed Joba with his kid (whom he seems to be very good with, by the way) and interacting with the other school children. Joba does have a childlike quality (nothing wrong with that) that seems to make kids very comfortable around him; he tunes into them and it’s actually quite wonderful to watch. They showed Joba in the house he grew up in, and how he brought his son there to show him where he came from. Says he’s back in touch with his mother after they’d been estranged.

    Always felt that Joba is good people. I don’t think Andy and the players would be so fond of him if he wasn’t.

  239. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Doreen, Trish asked me that a week or more ago, but we are never in here at the same time. My mom pronounces it with a syllable at the end. the “lya,” “ya” makes sense though because of the “gli”. Always bugs me when Pagliarulo’s name is/was pronounced wrong.

  240. austinmac April 3rd, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    YF,

    I endorse your prospect philosophy. And I am hoping like heck we have some significant successes.

  241. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I may have to go to Carlo’s today.

  242. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Oops, syllable at the end of the word “e”. New sentence: The “lya”… etc.

  243. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Shame -

    We are also a prompt family. I always build in time. To me, there are only very few good excuses for being late.

    It ALWAYS used to annoy me no end at Christmas Eve, when the same family showed up almost an hour late, and we had to wait to start the festivities. And we couldn’t convince the hostess to start without the missing family. It was every single year. Every one. And they knew we waited for them, and they knew the start time every year. My sister’s family also used to be habitually late.

    I just think it’s disrespectful to be late habitually.

  244. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    I know I wasn’t asked, but my family always pronounced it “sfeel-ya-dell.” First time I saw the actual spelling I was, “What????”
    ////

    Every Italian seems to have their own way of saying this word. However you say it, when it’s made right, there’s nothin’ like it! :D

  245. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Rich, I have been eating them since Easter weekend. Sooo good.

  246. Tackelberry April 3rd, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    ANyone guess tonight’s lineup yet?

    Gardner
    Ichiro
    Youk
    Cano
    Hafner
    Wells
    Overbay
    Nunez
    Cervelli

  247. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Doreen, maybe you should have told them an arrival time an hour earlier than you expected to meet. ;)

  248. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    yf

    Carlo’s recently opened up another bakery in Ridgewood, which is really close to where I live.

    Before I went, I thought their stuff was the product of the hype.

    Not true.

    btw, yum.

  249. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    I know I wasn’t asked, but my family always pronounced it “sfeel-ya-dell.” First time I saw the actual spelling I was, “What????”

    —————-

    Mine too!

  250. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Jay-Z and another NY athlete:

    Oliver (Brooklyn)

    Hey Ohm, is there any truth to the Victor Cruz-Jay Z connection (via the Roc Nation-CAA connection)? If so, does this imply, or make more likely, that Cruz will stay in New York after this year?

    Ohm (1:11 PM)

    Yes, this has been in the works for a while. Remember Victor throwing up the Roc sign when scoring touchdowns? That was his way of showing he has ties with Jay-Z. But Tom Condon is still going to do his contract. I don’t expect Jay-Z to be a part of his contract negotiations. That is why I joined the chat late. Was writing a blog on that. So as far as him staying, I believe he will be in NY regardless of who his agent is because I don’t expect anyone to make him a contract offer before April 19. The real question is whether he can work out a long-term deal to stay with the Giants before next season or else the Giants will have to franchise him.

  251. Tackelberry April 3rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Would be great to take these next 2, as the weekend in Detroit is gonna be real tough with Fister, Scherzer and Verlander lined up.

  252. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Pruf, I hadn’t had them in a while, but once you mentioned them, I had to go find some. We actually have a great Italian bakery about 5 minutes from my house that I just discovered even though it has been here for two years.

  253. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Doreen, maybe you should have told them an arrival time an hour earlier than you expected to meet. ;)

    ———–

    I try that all the time with my friends.. it’s so much harder to convince them that the Yankees have a 5:05pm game!!!

  254. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    I feel like lateness is sort of disrespecting other people’s time.. for things like sports/concerts/movies I just like being there early so I can feel settled by the time the thing starts. Traffic can be such a touch and go thing getting to the stadium.. giving yourself an hour and a half to get there seems reasonable to me! :D

    For movies, I’ll admit to being a pain in the ass. I have an obsession with the previews…

  255. Kevin Not That Kevin Brown April 3rd, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    My prediction is that by the ASB, Nova will be gone from the rotation, replaced by Pineda, Phelps or frankly, anyone, and Joba will be back in the minors (if they can do that) or DFA’d, both for the same reason: they are too inconsistent and that means undependable and that gives the team a reason to try someone else. Whatever talent they have and still occasionally flash, they are unable to utilize it on a regular basis.

    Whether the team ‘ruined’ Joba or not is a debate that will rage probably as long as Sox fans debate whether or not they ruined Daniel Bard. The bottom line today is that whenever Nova or Joba steps onto the mound, you simply have no idea what you’re going to get.

  256. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    yankeefem,

    I probably had had the best sfogliatelle of my life – at least, my adult life – when I posted about it that day.

    A little espresso with a touch of cognac and the warmed up pastry – no powdered sugar, please – with the golden ricotta with chunks of lemon skin or whatever they put in there….truly amazing.

  257. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    yankeefeminista – it wasn’t my call at the time, otherwise you can be sure I would have. I did it with my sister. Started to tell her to be here an hour ahead of when I wanted her here.

    Sfogliatelle is my absolute favorite. Used to be eclairs but they don’t make them the same anymore – something’s amiss. I love peeling the sfogliatelle, if you know what I mean. And the end part piece? That crunch corner? Yumm!

  258. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Tackelberry April 3rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    Would be great to take these next 2, as the weekend in Detroit is gonna be real tough with Fister, Scherzer and Verlander lined up.
    ///

    Been there, had that done to us.

    Should have at least beaten Fister. Ugh.

  259. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    “For movies, I’ll admit to being a pain in the ass. I have an obsession with the previews…”

    They are now so loud in theaters with great sound systems that it may even be louder than any rock concert I have ever been to, and that includes some crazy decibel bands.

  260. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Shame -

    UH! My husband has to get to the movies before they even dim the lights. Sitting through the trivia stuff, then the commercials, then the previews. ENOUGH ALREADY!!! LOL He’s more punctual than even me!

  261. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Rich, the pastries at my local bakery are well worth it. Aside from the trueness/purity of the ingredients and the Old World recipe, that they are not too sweet is the key.

    Please don’t mention Detroit’s pitchers to me. #Bad memories.

  262. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    What I especially love about sfogliatelle is that I would never try to make one at home. I’ve made eclairs and I’ve made canoli – successfully, I might add. But I would never ever ever try to make a sfogliatelle. That’s part of what makes them so special.

  263. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Rich, Ridgefield is supposed to have a really good dim sum place. I forget the name of it…

  264. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    I feel like lateness is sort of disrespecting other people’s time..
    ///

    It does have the feel of narcissism at work, maybe unconsciously. Making people wait for you… either that, or a touch of agoraphobia, or whatever that’s called; never feeling quite ready to leave the house/your home.

    Most people probably don’t consciously mean to make others wait, I expect. I had a friend, brilliant woman, who said she always felt panicky just before meeting someone. She wouldn’t be late, necessarily, but she would have trouble entering a room where people whom she was meeting were already gathered. She was an extraordinary person who did fascinating research and wrote brilliantly. But she had this thing… :)

  265. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    We’ve officially reached our Kevin quota. Any future Kevin’s will have to get clearance from the powers that be.

  266. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    mick,

    I know you don’t like being ignored, even though your “contribution” here is to create ill will and attempt to weasel your way in between other people’s discussions.

    But if you like, I will compile your posts directed at the former poster Betsy, whom you actually created a separate account to double troll here for months, and then allow the board to decide whether or not you are in any position to decide what my or anyone else’s intent or character is here.

    You crave attention, and if you continue to get betwixt my conversations with others here without making a valid baseball-related point, I am happy to give you more attention than you can handle, and I will also happily send a copy to Chad.

    Your choice.
    =========================
    You just exposed yourself again buddy.

    I’d like you to prove your accusation re: a 2nd account. But then again statements by you are always to be taken with a grain of salt …as they are stated as facts, that you know better than anyone else, as you are the uber fan, the most knowledgeable, as you have seen more than most.

    As far as attention, why do you come here and take shots at people in general? You have made remarks here that should have had you banned.
    I’m sure you have gone to Chad every chance you get to report people.
    Your threats are hollow and you can ignore me if you like, I find it cowardly…

    I have had many baseball conversations here but most of the time I like to ask baseball related questions. Needless to say it doesn’t seem that baseball is discussed here with any frequency.
    It’s mostly dialogues, not conversations. What I dislike is your militant dissidence as if you are some sort of ringleader here.

  267. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    I vote for a Fake Kevin handle on here, just like we have a Fake Molina and a Fake Melky in MLB.

  268. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 3rd, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Actually my family never pronounced it – nor bought it! Despite being 100% Italian, I didn’t grow up in a terribly traditional Italian family. I was introduced to them by name, by my best friend, who was born in Itay and came here when she was 8. She grew up on Federal Hill (you know what that means, YF.) At the local bakery, they’re just known as lobster tails. One day my friend sent her husband out to buy pastry and told him to make sure he brought back “sfull-yah-dell”. In he walked with lobster tails!!!

    I hate to admit that I never put together the spelling with the pastry until rather recently. When I saw the word “sfogliatelle” I just decided it was pronounced sfo-gee-a-tell and figured it was some kind of Italian delicacy.

    :)

  269. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    YF, yes, too sugary is definitely verboten. Little Italy is full of places that pile on the powdered sugar!

  270. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Hey Trish, I truly do miss Providence, and bopping up to Federal Hill. (Not the more commercial places though…) Did you pronounce Pagliarullo correctly? :)

  271. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    mick,

    How about you just stay out of conversations that you aren’t involved in?

    Can you manage that?

    I have nothing else to say to you.

  272. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Oh yeah for the most part I know it isn’t intentional.. but I have this one friend that is always ‘ready to go’ and by ‘ready to go’ she means she’ll be ready in an hour.

    Whenever we’re headed down the shore I like to leave as early as possible so I can relax once I’m there for a while. I’ll call her and ask if she can be ready by X time and she’ll say, ‘yeah that’s fine, I already have my stuff ready I just need to throw it in a bag.‘ Once she says that I know I have at least an hour to an hour and a half of waiting ahead of me.

    ‘I just need to throw it in a bag’ is the equivalent of doing the dishes and ‘just letting them soak first.’

  273. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Doreen and Pruf, well said. They are a special dessert.

  274. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    She grew up on Federal Hill (you know what that means, YF.) At the local bakery, they’re just known as lobster tails
    ///

    That’s right, that’s the term. I was thinking “clamshell” but it’s lobster tails.

  275. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    yf

    Ridgefield is a bit further, but I will keep it in mind.

  276. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 3rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Man, are they good. In fact, I can tell that within the next hour or so, I will be going to the local bakery and getting one. Yum yum yum!

    :)

  277. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:05 pm
    I vote for a Fake Kevin handle on here, just like we have a Fake Molina and a Fake Melky in MLB.
    ///

    I got sick to my stomach listening to those Toronto announcers talk about Melky’s ability to shorten the stick with two strikes and how he stays back and can sting the ball.

  278. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Shame, LOL. My mother is your friend. She had trouble leaving the house. My father would be like, “well, let’s go!” She’d be: did you turn off the gas? Lock the back door, also? Close the upstairs windows? “Oh! where’d I put my sunglasses!”

    By this time, there is steam coming out of the top of my father’s head. :D

  279. pat April 3rd, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Sfogliatelle and Lobster Tails are 2 diferent pastries here.

    Look similiar on the outside but Lobster Tails have pastry cream instead of ricotta filling in them.

  280. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 3rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    Man, are they good. In fact, I can tell that within the next hour or so, I will be going to the local bakery and getting one. Yum yum yum!
    ////

    LOL. Trisha, did you see the Joba YES special I referenced?

  281. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    “if you’re early you’re on time…..if you’re on time you’re late, if you’re late you’re selfish and you’ll be running polls at 6 AM tomorrow”

    My college coach had this posted on his door.

  282. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    pat April 3rd, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    Sfogliatelle and Lobster Tails are 2 diferent pastries here.

    Look similiar on the outside but Lobster Tails have pastry cream instead of ricotta filling in them.
    ///

    What’s the Italian name for them?

  283. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Rich, actually it is Ridgewood, my bad. The place is Dim Sum Dynasty, I believe.

  284. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    yf

    I have been there several times. It is good. I tend to eat sushi and rolls more than other Asian food at this point.

    Ridgewood has a lot of really good restaurants and shops.

  285. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Carlo’s makes an incredible Lobster Tail, imho.

  286. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    RIch, what’s the italian name for lobster tail pastry?

  287. J. Alfred Prufrock April 3rd, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    NM, here’s wiki:

    Regional variations

    Sfogliatelle Santa Rosa
    In Naples, sfogliatelle is sometimes called “sfogliatella riccia” (“curly”) to distinguish it from “sfogliatelle frolla”, a less refined pastry which uses a shortcrust dough that does not form the more labor intensive authentic sfogliatelle dough’s characteristic layers.
    Italian-American bakeries, especially in the New York City area, created a cousin pastry to the sfogliatelle in the 1900s called a “lobster tail” or “egg plant” version. The pastry has the same outside as sfogliatelle, but instead of the ricotta filling, there is a French cream, similar to that of a whipped cream inside. This version was not the original shape or filling used. Most bakeries still make the original style “Clam Shell” with ricotta filling. This version was changed because the taste was not as sweet as the French cream filling.
    A somewhat similar savory pastry is made in Malta is the Pastizzi, which filled with ricotta cheese; Pastizzi tal-Pizelli use a pea filling (note, this is not vegetarian as there is a little meat in the filling). While similar, the Maltese pastizzi predates the invention of sfogliatelle—Archaeologists say old merchant ledgers list pastizzi even before the time of the knights who built Valletta, the capital city of Malta, which was started in 1566.[1]

  288. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    JAP

    I don’t know.

  289. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Cashman is on XM. Cash says Granderson will play CF when he comes back. The reason being they couldn’t “see how it looks in a game situation”.

  290. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Cano is 12 of 25 against Buchholz with five extra-base hits.

    Rich, good to know. I have heard about their dim sum. I love all different Asian foods from Malaysian to Vietnamese. I love Japanese but the sushi generally is good in NJ but not great. Where is there great sushi in NJ? Like Jewel Bako quality? I think Sagami in Collingswood and Ajihei in Princeton have fish a cut above the rest. I have other go to places but they are more dependable than great.

  291. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Why didn’t Ichiro require “game situations”?

  292. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 3rd, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    J AL – did not see the Joba special.

  293. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    yf

    http://www.akailounge.com/

  294. tomingeorgia April 3rd, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Rich,
    Grew up ranging the woods, streams and orchard of Ho-Ho-Kus, cross Rte 17 from town, and playing ball on the Murphy’s huge lawn. Been there lately?

  295. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    They all sound great, but the sfogliatelle that rules is the one with ricotta. Perfection.

  296. pat April 3rd, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    We never had an Italian name for the pastry cream ones. Just called them lobster tails.

    Anyone know where to find good struffoli?

  297. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    tom

    I drive through Ho-Ho-Kus several times a week.

  298. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Rich, thanks, I will check it out; is fairly new? I’ve been to Daruma there, and used to go to Wild Ginger, which was really good. Also there is a take-out place that makes really great homemade Korean dumplings in town. Think it used to be called Mandoo, now Best Dumplings.

  299. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Cashman is on XM. Cash says Granderson will play CF when he comes back. The reason being they couldn’t “see how it looks in a game situation”.

    ——————-

    Okay… just for future reference.. any remarks about the decisions makers being dumb might be related to this sort of stuff.

  300. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Don’t bother listening to the interview. They talked about nothing. The most revealing thing is that Cashman said he wanted to get Vernon Wells at the beginning of the offseason but the deal only came together when the Yankees “got more desperate and decided to take on more of the obligation.”

  301. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    JAP – I have one of those in the family too! But worse yet, my grandmother. I love her and my aunt dearly and neither of them drive. So no matter what event I have to take them to, when I get to their house they’ll tell me ‘oh I just need to pick up something at the store.’ This translates into a full fledged trip to ShopRite.

    The last time I made the mistake of taking my nephew with me. After they disappeared into ShopRite for an hour he looked at me and said, ‘Maybe we should learn to live without them.’ I nodded solemnly.

  302. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Cashman is on XM. Cash says Granderson will play CF when he comes back. The reason being they couldn’t “see how it looks in a game situation”.

    yes and Jackie Bradley Jr has never played in the big leagues or LF and nobody died.

  303. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    yf

    I know it has been there for several years beyond that, I’m not sure.

    I go to Baumgart’s in Englewood, which is also in Ridgewood. Kind of an eclectic Asian place with a soda fountain thing.

    I go to Wild Ginger in Ridgewood, It’s not great, but they have a 50% off thing, so we go, although less and less.

    Korean in Ridgewood? There is Tofu House, which has good kimchi pancakes.

  304. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Anyone know where to find good struffoli?

    —————-

    It’s an impossible feat!! My mom makes it the best and she’s been on strike for a few years now… every time I try to buy it, it tends to be too doughy without enough honey.

  305. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    “Don’t bother listening to the interview. They talked about nothing. The most revealing thing is that Cashman said he wanted to get Vernon Wells at the beginning of the offseason but the deal only came together when the Yankees “got more desperate and decided to take on more of the obligation.”

    yea when you offer to play 14 million for a guy that probably was getting released then deals tend to move quickly.

  306. tomingeorgia April 3rd, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Rich,
    In the late 1940s, when we moved there, there was a terrific old-style kosher delicatessen called Mueller’s, in a town with few Jews in those days. Because we had the same surname as an old-time doctor in town, who happened to be Jewish, Alfie Mueller used to call when he got some special treats. Haven’t been back there for 40 years, but it was a great place to grow up.

  307. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    “The most revealing thing is that Cashman said he wanted to get Vernon Wells at the beginning of the offseason but the deal only came together when the Yankees “got more desperate and decided to take on more of the obligation.”

    Maybe it was good that his hands were tied…for a while.

  308. Vince April 3rd, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    230 million and by my count 90 million off the books.

    160 million with 15 million committed to Cano. Jeter makes about eight million less next year. Wells will be free, which means another 12 or so million

    That means about 40 million to fill the roles of: Granderson, Joba, Hughes, Kuroda, Pettitte, Rivera, Hafner, Youkilis, Logan, Boesch, Overbay, Francisco.

    Youkilis can be replaced by A-Rod. Gardner, Ichiro and Wells are under contract, so another outfielder, esp if Heathcott or Mesa make noise, can be had at the minimum.

    Joba can be replaced by an assortment of guys. Mo replaced by Robertson (hopefully Montgomery can fill the void of two righty relievers leaving). Pineda can replace Hughes.

    Logan can be replaced in the system by a few different options (Cabral or Nuno). Basically, a bench, a DH and two starters for 40 million and that’s with resigning Cano.

    Say they lose 10 million in arb.

    30 million, two spots in the rotation and in the lineup and bench. Should be interesting.

  309. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Pat, no I do not. But I haven’t exactly been looking. I will see if my bakery has them. Also I haven’t visited, but my Italian friends rave about a bakery/cafe in Little Falls called Pallazone.

    Rich, the Korean dumpling place is in Englewood. It is the absolute best dumpling place in existence. Everything is homemade and the kim chee is wonderful. They are one of my go-to places en route to Yankee games. Tofu House sounds good!

  310. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    tom

    Interesting. I love Bergen County. I have lived here my whole life except for some years in DC and NYC. The only thing that may eventually drive me out of here is the weather.

  311. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    In the Mark Newman interview (sub only), Newman said Montgomery’s fastball velo is on the rise. It looked much better last year earlier in season than it has end of 2012 and early 2013.

  312. pat April 3rd, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Boras has tried to reach out to Cano, making multiple calls and texts, and even flying Tuesday to New York to try to meet with him. But as of late Wednesday morning, he had not heard a word back from Cano, who is notoriously non-confrontational.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b.....-the-bronx

  313. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    yf

    Mandoo’s is called Best Dumplings? I’ll go.

  314. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Don’t bother listening to the interview. They talked about nothing. The most revealing thing is that Cashman said he wanted to get Vernon Wells at the beginning of the offseason but the deal only came together when the Yankees “got more desperate and decided to take on more of the obligation.”

    ———————

    ….really? He was targeting Vernon Wells? At least this puts to rest the idea that Wells was only acquired due to injuries lol. We were targeting him from November! Yay!!

  315. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Last part was my observation, not Newman’s.

    Rich, there is a Baumgart’s in Livingston that I have wanted to try, but I always end up somewhere else. It sounds interesting though/pretty eclectic. Worth the trip?

  316. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Yeah, well Bradley is a generational player. Cash will not play young players until they have 1,000 games in the minors. And after all, Wells has experience. #Win Now!

  317. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    yf

    I think so. It’s not spectacular, but pretty good if it isn’t too far, and fairly priced.

  318. hardwired7 April 3rd, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    I’d rather have Gardner in left at this point, to be honest. Left in YS is not akin to left in any other stadium.

    Having a plus-plus defender guarding against sheer catastrophe in left provides one of the few safety nets this team has.

  319. LGY April 3rd, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Cashman might be dumber than we thought.

  320. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Ahhh Gaborik on the move.. the Rangers FO makes me appreciate the Yankees FO if that’s worth anything.

  321. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    LGY, depends on how dumb you think he is.

  322. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    I’d rather have Gardner in left at this point, to be honest. Left in YS is not akin to left in any other stadium.

    Having a plus-plus defender guarding against sheer catastrophe in left provides one of the few safety nets this team has.

    Does not compute. Center is more important, and handles more plays. Granderson can handle LF just fine.

  323. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Shame, traded him? That’s right; it’s the NHL trade deadline.

  324. Vince April 3rd, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Shame: I like that deal. Gabby hasn’t looked the same since surgery and has 2 goals in 22 games. The Rangers need offensive scoring depth and got two first rounders plus a third player.

  325. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Granderson is a LF now, really.

  326. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    LF in NYS is bigger than SOME Leftfields but its not bigger than centerfields AND the 81 away games are in left fields smaller than NYS so you’re going after a worse benefit (LF over CF) that only applies half the time.

  327. bruceb April 3rd, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    yea when you offer to play 14 million for a guy that probably was getting released then deals tend to move quickly.

    Was Wells really going to be released? If this is actually true, Cashman should be fired on the spot. We could have signed a good catcher for that sort of money.

  328. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    “Jeter makes about eight million less next year.”

    Jeter will count 15 million towards the luxury tax if he triggers his option….probably more if he does a new deal.

  329. hardwired7 April 3rd, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Just trying to look on the bright side of life, JF.

    (Monty Python reference intended.)

  330. Vince April 3rd, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Bruce: Which catcher?

    Jerk: completely agree, this is a terrible decision, Granderson can learn left field in rehab games.

  331. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    so we know now that Cashman really wanted Vernon Wells and Ben Francisco?

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    Shame, you make any moves? I see we traded for Jussi Jokinen for a conditional pick. Guess we will soon have no farm left.

  333. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    No one is gonna wanna play for Torts for more than a couple seasons.. looks like he’s going to the Blue Jackets. Loungo was also just pulled off the ice in Vancouver for anyone interested in this stuff. Not sure what it means..

  334. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    “so we know now that Cashman really wanted Vernon Wells and Ben Francisco?”

    He could be spinning; a new loyalty mode.

  335. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Nah, not yet. We made quite a few moves when Zubrus and a few of our other guys went down. Lou was looking for a scoring winger.. but no word on anything yet.

  336. yankeefeminista April 3rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Not sure if Grandy is no longer a CF. He definitely didn’t have his best year in 2012, but in other years he played a solid CF.

  337. bruceb April 3rd, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Vince: Which catcher?

    Like Russell Martin…two years at $17 million with Pittsburgh.

    Don’t get me wrong, I was no big Russell Martin fan, but he sure as hell was a better bet than a platoon of Cervelli and Stewart.

    It seems like Cashman wasn’t willing to spend the money in the winter (when it made sense) yet was willing to spend it on a “panic buy” when he finally realized the roster was shot to pieces.

  338. Vince April 3rd, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Fem: He can be a decent CF, but Gardner is an elite CF regardless.

    Loungo has to be traded, I can’t see any other outcome.

  339. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    If I’m Hal and the best Cash can do is tell me he wants Vernon Wells I too would make sure he wasn’t authorized to make any deals…

  340. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    “If I’m Hal and the best Cash can do is tell me he wants Vernon Wells I too would make sure he wasn’t authorized to make any deals…”

    “My baseball people kept saying Ken Phelps, Ken Phelps” Steinbrenner to Mr. Costanza

    Life father like son? :)

  341. bruceb April 3rd, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    No one is gonna wanna play for Torts for more than a couple seasons..

    That long? I’m no hockey expert but it seems to me like MSG is a graveyard for offensive players. How has Brad Richards worked out?

  342. hardwired7 April 3rd, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    “When you’re chewing on life’s gristle
    Don’t grumble, give a whistle”

  343. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    blake April 3rd, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    so we know now that Cashman really wanted Vernon Wells and Ben Francisco?

    —————–

    If we’re supposed to take it at face value.. they waited out cheaper, more productive options so they could pick up the guys no one wanted. That was their plan.

    ………….do you guys know how hard it is to not reference JLo? It’s so, so hard.

  344. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    ?@YankeesWFAN

    6 players made their Yankee debuts Monday. Most since first game in franchise history (as Highlanders) in 1903!

    —————–

    Maybe we’ll set a record with 7 next year.

  345. tucker April 3rd, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Find it hard to sympathize w/Boras over Cano. So I really don’t care that Robbie has not returned his calls or texts. Boras obviously has a good relationship with the media and is a master at manipulation, but I don’t see a winning hand for him in this dispute.

    If Boras fights to keep Cano as a client (suggested by Sherman and others), does he not risk alienating future clients? Am sure some players may hesitate to sign a contract with him if they know he is willing to sue them to enforce the contract.

  346. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    “6 players made their Yankee debuts Monday. Most since first game in franchise history (as Highlanders) in 1903!”

    All but one were over 30, the other was 29.

    Give a freakin’ break.

  347. pat April 3rd, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    YankeesWFAN
    6 players made their Yankee debuts Monday. Most since first game in franchise history (as Highlanders) in 1903!

  348. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    There is probably something going on that we don’t yet know about regarding Cano and Boras…..free agents typically don’t leave him this close to free agency as he does tend to get players loads of money…..Tex and Alex left him after they got their big deals.

  349. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    bruce – They’re a nightmare. Sather only just got smart a few years ago.. and still can’t put anything together. I think they should have fired Torts already, the guy wears out his welcome pretty quickly. His style doesn’t really match their personnel that well IMO, but I know others see it differently.

    In comparison to the Rangers or Cowboys FO, the Yankees are baby geniuses.

  350. Rich in NJ April 3rd, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    The painters left. I’m sprung. Later.

  351. bruceb April 3rd, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Interesting take, Shame. I’m a latecomer to hockey. In England, it’s played by a bunch of girls wearing navy blue knickers!

  352. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    blake April 3rd, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    There is probably something going on that we don’t yet know about regarding Cano and Boras…..free agents typically don’t leave him this close to free agency as he does tend to get players loads of money…..Tex and Alex left him after they got their big deals.

    —————-

    Sounds like Cano is one of those guys that doesn’t break up with his girlfriends but just stops returning their calls/texts/emails.

    I know those kind of guys..*cough*Chad*cough*

  353. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Lol, field hockey.. strange sport.

  354. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN

    Yankees lineup 4/3 vs BOS: Gardner 8, Ichiro 9, Cano 4, Youkilis 5, Hafner DH, Wells 7, Overbay 3, Nunez 6, Stewart 2, Kuroda 1

  355. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Hafner, Wells, Overbay…

  356. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    John Manuel ?@johnmanuelba 2m
    @jimcaple The Rays really haven’t drafted that well since 07 draft brought Price & Moore; no big leaguers since that draft (08-12)

  357. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Maybe Cano sent Boras a basket of autographed stuff?

  358. austinmac April 3rd, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Cashman said he thinks Gardner is one of the best center fielders in baseball. That must be why it makes good sense not to play him there.

    He also reiterated there is no timetable for Jeter’s return. He will do more when he has no pain. My point is, it has been six months since the surgery, and why we would think the next week or so will cause the pain to go away and not return with activities is unknown to me.

    I would be unhappy if I am Boras. He has a contract and evidently performed services pursuant to it. Are these contracts terminable at will? All of a sudden Boras acts as if he and Hal were on the road to a contract. Boras’ statements do make me think Cano does not want negotiations to take a long time and would like to re-sign.

  359. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Hafner, Wells, Overbay…

    The lineup from the 5th spot down is a potential disaster. Gosh makes me so sad to look at it.

  360. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    “The lineup from the 5th spot down is a potential disaster. Gosh makes me so sad to look at it.”

    why are you calling Hal cheap….he spent 232 million dollars!

  361. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Thank god Nunez is down.. Imagine if they stacked those three right on top of Stewie.

    Still: Today is my official first day of baseball. I am so excited to watch a game live.

  362. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    The Yankee lineup reminds me of these people that will buy like a 94 camaro and trick it out with all this aftermarket stuff…..they end up spending almost what it would cost to buy a new Porshe

  363. pat April 3rd, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    A nice sfogliatelle would have been good too……

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  364. Bronx Jeers April 3rd, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Interesting take, Shame. I’m a latecomer to hockey. In England, it’s played by a bunch of girls wearing navy blue knickers!

    ———————

    Those are girls?

    Interesting field hockey fact: The best team in the world is Argentina.

    Stewart? Personally I’m a Cervelli man myself.

  365. tucker April 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Mac, sure Boras has a point about an existing contract. Players cannot just terminate contracts at will. But if you are Boras, how hard do you press the issue? There is a lot more at risk than just a single player and (albeit lucrative) contract.

    It sure seems like Cano wants to wrap things up quickly — and not take the usual Boras approach.

  366. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    blake April 3rd, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    The Yankee lineup reminds me of these people that will buy like a 94 camaro and trick it out with all this aftermarket stuff…..they end up spending almost what it would cost to buy a new Porshe

    —————

    GREAT analogy.

  367. Doreen April 3rd, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    pat -

    I was expecting more of a cake from the Cakeboss.

  368. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    I was expecting more of a cake from the Cakeboss.

    cakeboss

  369. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Here is Cake Boss describing the most erotic cake he ever made. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJDRaAWRUrc

  370. Tabbert April 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    In a offense desperate to find guys that can knock in runs, girardi elects to bench the only guy who did such in the previous game.

  371. Jerkface April 3rd, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    @BryanHoch 19s

    Yankees have unconditionally released LHP Clay Rapada.

    Weird that means he must have cleared waivers but they got rid of him?

  372. Russell Munson April 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Weird, couldn’t they have outrighted him if he cleared?

  373. Russell Munson April 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Maybe they’ll try and re-sign him again to a minor league deal.

  374. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    His cake designs are really not impressive.. I think they’re more known for the pastries over there.

    JF – Didn’t get that either..

  375. austinmac April 3rd, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Tucker,

    I agree that Boras won’t want to scare away other clients by making an issue with Cano. Maybe they would give him a cut of the commission?

    It is funny that all of a sudden Boras is discussing how he and the Yankees were making contract progress. Didn’t the Yankee say recently they never heard back from Boras or am I dreaming?

  376. tucker April 3rd, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    I dunno if the Yanks heard about Boras. But let’s be realistic — Boras wants/wanted to take Cano to the market to get the Dodgers, Nats or others involved in the bidding. Unless the Yanks would be willing to ante up with an ARod contract before FA, Cano/Boras would have gone to the open market.

    Boras will pursue every also nickel on behalf of his client. Maybe Cano just became wary of the attention that would inevitably follow …

  377. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Cano might be under the influence of his Dad and others who are advising him to get it done with Yanks.

    I am sure this will get done sooner rather than later.

  378. joeman April 3rd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

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  379. mick April 3rd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    It is funny that all of a sudden Boras is discussing how he and the Yankees were making contract progress.
    ==================
    You mean agents lie?

  380. blake April 3rd, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Meredith Marakovits ?@M_Marakovits 10m
    Cano called decision 2 leave Boras a “family one”did not go into detail. Hasn’t talked to him. Asked what he liked about Jay Z “everything”

  381. joeman April 3rd, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    if I’m a manager against playing the NYY ..Cano is getting nothing to hit, and the thing is he won’t take a walk

  382. Shame Spencer April 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    @M_Marakovits

    Cano called decision 2 leave Boras a “family one”did not go into detail. Hasn’t talked to him. Asked what he liked about Jay Z “everything”

    Hehehehehe..

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