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Yankees win third straight

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 09, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees are now a .500 baseball team, and for the moment, their offense actually looks pretty potent. Tonight’s 14-1 win against Cleveland was the Yankees third straight game scoring at least seven runs, something they never did last season. They scored with small ball in a four-run, four-hit second inning, then they scored on home runs by Ichiro Suzuki, Robinson Cano, Kevin Youkilis, Lyle Overbay and Brennan Boesch. Overbay had three hits, Cano and Brett Gardner had four, and the offensive outburst was more than enough for Andy Pettitte, who pitched another gem to improve to 2-0 after two starts. He gave up a solo homer to Asdrubal Cabrera, but that was his only costly mistake through seven strong innings.

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337 Responses to “Yankees win third straight”

  1. blake April 9th, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    That was incredibly enjoyable

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 9th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    trisha are you proposing that players should make intentional outs when batting with their team winning by alot?
    theres guys are professionals and how much money they make depends very heavily on their stats.”

    Ys Guy, I know what you’re saying is right. I just wish there was some kind of mercy rule. Blow outs kill my soul. I get absolutely no enjoyment out of them, whether the Yanks are on the winning or losing end.

  3. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Keep. It. Going.

  4. Jerkface April 9th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Rays losing, Toronto already lost, Boston and Orioles off day, can’t ask for a better win.

  5. luis April 9th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
    luis April 9th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Ghost,

    Yes… But every team can beat another one any given day… I want to see this kind of performance against the Rangers for example… But in any case, I have liked what I have seen the past three days
    ===========

    They aren’t playing the Rangers today; they’re playing the Indians. I don’t see the point in denigrating their success. Good teams beat bad teams. This is what the Yankees must do to contend this year–or really, any other year.

    ===========================

    Who is denigrating their success? I just think that Tar and Randy have a point. We should be cautious. That’s all.

  6. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    “Rays losing, Toronto already lost, Boston and Orioles off day, can’t ask for a better win.”

    You left out Youk got hit by a pitch……Oh wait :evil:

  7. Vince April 9th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    It is denigrating their success. What happens if you crush Texas for three games then get swept by a team like the Indians? Anytime you crush a team it’s better than losing to them, period. Statement wins carry way more weight in other sports where you don’t try to tally as much of a 162 game schedule as possible.

  8. luis April 9th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    The story about this game is how good the offense looked. How multidimensional. I love this.

    Especial note deserves to go to Andy… What a pitcher! and hitting 92 on the gun!

  9. 4TrainNorth April 9th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Truly talented players can turn things around in a hurry. Wow.

  10. Vince April 9th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    And we’ve seen plenty of examples of owning a team like Detroit in the regular season only to have them edge us out in the postseason.

  11. ac1 April 9th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    That was pretty

  12. luis April 9th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Whatever….

  13. SoS April 9th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Look at the amer east standings. The experts got it right. The only thing they forgot to tell us is they were reading off their prediction while doung hand stands.
    Shout out to my no cal bro. Nicksf.

    Later fellas. To be continued…..

  14. Pat M. April 9th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Something I heard today was that Vernon Wells came to camp this season with the expectation of being shopped. He worked on his swing and ab approach over the winter to increase his marketability and gave the Halos a short list of clubs he’d consider. Bombers were on the top of the list. He did look good in the games that were televised back to LA and he impressed the scouts that were bird dogging him this March

  15. BD (Boston Dave) April 9th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    NY Yankees….. highest scoring team in the league.

    Murderer’s Row ’13

  16. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    The Yankees have played 8 games. There is no success to praise or failure to denigrate (or the opposite) yet. It’s pretty much all noise.

  17. mick April 9th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    We should be cautious. That’s all.
    ====================
    Why? Why be cautious?
    People are ready to jump on the gloom and doom train WITH ANY LOSS.
    Why can’t people celebrate when things go well?
    No need to be looking around every corner with every loss.
    We beat who we are supposed to beat, that’s what good teams do.

  18. blake April 9th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Pat M,

    The yanks have a knack of getting ex good players to perform again….it speaks to their culture and I think do a nice job of creating an environment for them to succeed …..we see it every year

  19. Nick in SF April 9th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    SoS, always good to see you around, buddy! Follow me on twitter!

  20. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Pat M. April 9th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Something I heard today was that Vernon Wells came to camp this season with the expectation of being shopped. He worked on his swing and ab approach over the winter to increase his marketability and gave the Halos a short list of clubs he’d consider. Bombers were on the top of the list. He did look good in the games that were televised back to LA and he impressed the scouts that were bird dogging him this March
    ———-

    Wells at $20 million per year is way overpriced, but he could wind up being a pretty terrific bargain at $7 million per year.

  21. mick April 9th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Bombers were on the top of the list.
    =========================
    That’s what we should be looking for.
    Players who want to play here.
    For the right reasons.
    Not just the money.

  22. pat April 9th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    VernonWells10
    “We’re going streaking!!”

  23. jacksquat April 9th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Good Yankee teams have always beat up on the lesser teams. They wouldn’t do this if they sucked.

  24. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    “The yanks have a knack of getting ex good players to perform again…”

    More so with hitters than pitchers.

  25. luis April 9th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Pat M,

    He looks really good at the plate… Patient, letting the ball go deep in to the zone, nice short and compact swing… As I said on the game thread, He is the one that has impressed me the most

  26. Vince April 9th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    For payroll purposes, Wells is free in 2014. Pretty cool even if he can be a 2011 Andruw Jones.

    Rich: It’s not that any rationale fan is speculating on seasonal success through eight games, it’s that we know a team like this is now capable of absolutely pounding the opposition. Critics weren’t willing to concede that a week ago when the speculation was the Yankees’ offense would be completely anemic.

  27. blake April 9th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    @JackCurryYES: Yankees have won 3 straight games, outscoring opponents, 32-7, in that span. They have an MLB best 15 homers.

  28. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    This deserves repeating:

    pat April 9th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
    John put in some work on his calls this year…..

    TylerKepner: “BB hits a BB! That’s Boesch, by gosh!” — John Sterling

  29. blake April 9th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    “More so with hitters than pitchers.”

    Yes….but they even got something out of Freddy Garcia for awhile…..but yea I was talking more about position players

  30. luis April 9th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Mick,

    Because as Rich says… it’s been only 8 games… Too early to declare anything yet with any certainty… But the team has looked very good… Loved the approach above everything else, tonight it brought us 5 homers, but there was plenty of situational hitting in between them.

  31. blake April 9th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Sterling really had to come up with some new ones…. Lot of turnover

  32. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    jacksquat April 9th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Good Yankee teams have always beat up on the lesser teams. They wouldn’t do this if they sucked.
    ————–

    Beating up on lesser teams is necessary but not sufficient to be a good team. Nevertheless, these last three games have been very promising. It is really tough to win a four-game series in the other team’s park, and now the Yanks are going for the sweep. And this is the same Indians team that shut down Jays in two out of three.

  33. SoS April 9th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Nick
    What’s your handle?

  34. Jerkface April 9th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Good Yankee teams have always beat up on the lesser teams. They wouldn’t do this if they sucked.

    An ~85 win team is still ‘good’, though sucky by Yankee standards, and sufficient to beat up on a bad team. I don’t think there is any correlation to these games and the Yankees skill level. They have also lost to some pretty sucky teams when they were very good.

    I do love them getting back to .500 so quickly though. They need to stay there or better till the ASB.

  35. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    “It is denigrating their success.”

    Nah it’s qualifying it. The Indians are not as good as Detroit or Boston or 90% of the league probably.

    Yes anybody can beat anybody on any given night. And yes this was a great step in the right direction, but get carried away at your own risk.

    The direction of this blog floats with the wind. A win and everything is positive and groovy. Cashman is a genius! a loss and everything is doom and gloom. It’s a marathon and they have barely left the starting blocks.

    I will say I am kind of into rooting without much expectations. It’s kind of liberating in a way. A veteran team with the likes of Andy, Mo, Jete, CC and the newcomers as underdogs hmm… this could be a recipe for success.

  36. austinmac April 9th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Great win. I am all for stat padding. The game is hard so take ‘em when you can.

    Wells looks good. Cano looks ridiculously good. Gardner hit the ball harder than I think I have ever seen him. But, Cano’s line drives just take off. My goodness.

  37. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    “All through spring training, the Yankees offense looked sluggish, and its pitchers looked suspect, but you kept thinking that once the regular season started and Joe Girardi settled on an everyday lineup, things would be OK.

    You thought this for two reasons: the history of this franchise, and the (presumed) strength of the pitching staff.

    But less than a week into the new season, it has become obvious that history will not help this team win and in fact might be working against it, since no one inside or outside the organization seemed willing to believe that what they were seeing in March could actually carry over into April, and beyond. http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....ible-start

    Oops. That eulogy was a bit premature.

  38. Vince April 9th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Tar, there are people on this blog and abroad who have 90% of the league better than the Yankees coming into this year. That’s the point of being happy about wins like this, putting 14 runs on anyone with half the filth we heard this offseason should be treated with praise.

  39. Madrugador April 9th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    I am very happy the Yanks are winning in such convincing fashion. They were doing just the opposite to start the season and in Detroit it was, “This is what a first place team playing a last place team looks like.”
    Glad Gardener and Cano got going.
    Hughes and Nova next.
    If Nova can’t start to put it back together, this has to be one of the last starts he gets.

  40. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Once the starting pitching got better, everything else started looking much better. It’s now up to Nova to keep the chain going.

  41. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    The vast majority of the people on this blog picked the Yankees to have more wins than those who get paid for making predictions.

  42. austinmac April 9th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    A win is a win. Cleveland’s pitching is awful, but they can hit. Good pitching again by Andy. You watch him and wonder why everyone can’t do it. He makes it look easy. Just mix your pitches, in and out. Oh so few can do it.

  43. Pat M. April 9th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    blake. I was hoping for Strawberry ( Yankee tenure ) type production from Vernon. As I mentioned the other night, he was coming around real nice last May before he tore up his thumb in San Diego.

  44. luis April 9th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Tar,

    Good post…

    Good night everyone

  45. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Nobody else should ever be allowed to wear Number 46 in Yankee pinstripes, after Andy hangs them up.

  46. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    “That’s the point of being happy about wins like this, putting 14 runs on anyone with half the filth we heard this offseason should be treated with praise.”

    I am happy and I did praise. Some great things happened tonight.

    I am just not getting too carried away or looking to much into a Cleveland series win, that’s all. But anybody who wants to, by all means go for it.

  47. jacksquat April 9th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Good Yankee teams generally have always beat up the weaker teams and gone .500 or a little better vs the other good teams (of course there are always exceptions). That is the formula for success.

  48. austinmac April 9th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    It is nice to get some bullpen rest. Nova may need help. I do agree his time is running short.

  49. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    “Nobody else should ever be allowed to wear Number 46 in Yankee pinstripes, after Andy hangs them up.”

    I second this.

  50. Vince April 9th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    lol well then we’re on the same page.

  51. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Tar April 9th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    “It is denigrating their success.”

    Nah it’s qualifying it. The Indians are not as good as Detroit or Boston or 90% of the league probably.

    =========

    Were people qualifying the Yanks’ struggles against the Tigers or BoSox? ‘Sure, the Yanks look bad, but Boston and Detroit have great teams, and they sure are hot right now…’ I don’t remember that happening.

  52. luis April 9th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Vince,

    Really?…. Trisha could you please post the list of predictions?… I can bet that in this blog most people predicted somewhere in between 85 to 95 wins… That’s not even in the middle of the pack…

  53. austinmac April 9th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Ghostwriter,

    I can’t imagine Andy’s number not being retired. Of course, we will look like a defensive line pretty soon. :)

  54. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    jacksquat April 9th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Good Yankee teams generally have always beat up the weaker teams and gone .500 or a little better vs the other good teams (of course there are always exceptions). That is the formula for success.
    ================

    Yes. It would be nice if they made a statement, taking two of three from the O’s.

  55. Pat M. April 9th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Rich in NJ….I took the Yanks on the overs. 85 is the key number

  56. Nilsson April 9th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    If I’m Oppenheimer or Cashman, I’d take a shot and draft Andy’s son Josh in the upcoming amateur draft. I think he’s got a commitment to Baylor. I don’t know how good he is or any of the players in this year’s draft. However, getting his son into the system could compel Andy to stick around longer. And as a bonus, maybe his son pans out.

  57. Bronx Jeers April 9th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    Wow. Nice to come home and hear about an explosion.

    Offense…..it’s contagious.

  58. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    Ghost

    I certainly didn’t bury the Yankees after the first two series losses.

    And I think there was some qualifying especially as to the potency of the Tigers line-up.

    I kind of doubt anybody here is going to give much credit to the Sox though :wink:

  59. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    I’m trying to remember if they assigned Andy’s number to anybody while he was way. I think that they might have done it. I remember being quite angry about them giving Paulie’s number to Latroy Hawkings (or whatever his name was)…

  60. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Tar April 9th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    ====
    Fair enough. ;)

  61. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Pat M.

    I predicted 87-91 (I thought one number this season was illusory).

    So I think you’re in good shape.

  62. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Predicting one number is always a sucker bet.

  63. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    It looks like Girardi disagreed with Flash and Kay (as did I):

    Daniel Barbarisi ?@DanBarbarisi 31m
    Girardi says he’s not surprised Carlos Carrasco was ejected for hitting Youk. “It was right in the middle of his back, after a home run.”

  64. Madrugador April 9th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    83, that is my story and I am sticking to it but more would be nice. Night all.

  65. G. Love April 9th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Ghost,

    No one ever wore 46 when Andy was in Houston.

  66. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    The sweeet way of retaliating for a hit batsman is to pour it on. I’ll never forget that night in Baltimore in ’98, when Benititez plunked Tino between the 2 and the 4 on his back, after Bernie homered. Not only did Graeme LLoyd come out, and settle accounts with half of the Baltimore bullpen, while Strawberry decked Alan Mills, but Timmy Raines homered in his at-bat, as soon as play resumed. It was a damn beautiful thing to see. They were such a special team….

  67. jmv April 9th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    “Ghostwriter says: April 9, 2013 at 10:25 pm Nobody else should ever be allowed to wear Number 46 in Yankee pinstripes, after Andy hangs them up.”

    Except for that statue at monument park…

  68. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    jmv April 9th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    “Ghostwriter says: April 9, 2013 at 10:25 pm Nobody else should ever be allowed to wear Number 46 in Yankee pinstripes, after Andy hangs them up.”

    Except for that statue at monument park…
    ======

    Hear, hear, well said!

  69. jmv April 9th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    I like wins. They put the team on a roll. Isn’t it a streaky game?

    I’m at 92. It’s just a number, but I like it. And would like it even more if it falls too short

  70. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    “No one ever wore 46 when Andy was in Houston.”

    Dustin Something?

  71. jmv April 9th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    “Bronx Jeers says: April 9, 2013 at 10:32 pm Wow. Nice to come home and hear about an explosion.”

    That makes two of us… What a sweet homecoming!

  72. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Once CC, Hiroki, and Andy get going, this team will be very tough to beat, especially once Phil joins the party.

  73. Nick in SF April 9th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    “Nick
    What’s your handle?”

    https://twitter.com/sftweeindieguy Brand new!

  74. joeman April 9th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    nice job by the NYY & UConn..both were beat downs

  75. jmv April 9th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Now Nova has to put it together. The guy pitches at 95 with a good slider. He’s in the line between a really good pitcher and a sad failure

  76. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Check that, no Dustin:
    Scott Erickson
    Aaron Guiel

  77. jmills April 9th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/h.....934994.stm

    Hey, jmv, this one’s for you!

  78. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Donovan Osborne, 2004
    Alan Embree, and Darrell May, 2005
    Aaron Guiel, 2006

    and Stump Merrill, 1990
    http://www.yankeenumbers.com/p.....=%3D%2C%2C

  79. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Good catch. I missed Erickson.

  80. Yogi Mantle April 9th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    That HBP to Youk was a no doubt on purpose one. What bothered me was the location more than anything else. Right near the head like that is just wrong.

    The umpire throwing Carrasco out was not surprising, I just thought it was a bit odd how it was done. Tossing him the ball back, then tossing him quietly from the game, almost like “oh, by the way, you’re out of here.” Carrasco deserved being toss mainly due to where he did the retaliation pitch.

    Nice job by the Yankee offense. It certainly takes pressure off the pitching when they don’t have to pitch perfect to get a win.

  81. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    “No one ever wore 46 when Andy was in Houston.”

    “While the Astros were aggressive in their pursuit, the Yankees were unusually passive. New York waited until the last day of its exclusive 15-day window to make an offer, and it was for $30 million over three years, including a $3 million buyout of a 2007 option.

    Boston made an early $52 million, four-year bid, one of the sources said, but Pettitte decided he couldn’t pitch for the Yankees’ rival.
    With the Astros, he felt wanted.”

    “Sounding wistful at times, the 31-year-old left-hander said the Yankees’ failure to pursue him aggressively allowed him to turn his attention to Houston, which wound up signing him for $7.5 million less than New York offered.

    “When I left there after (World Series) Game 6, I never really envisioned myself in a different uniform,” Pettitte said. “I thought that they would try to make a serious push to sign me then.”

    New York then went to its backup plan, and has agreed to a trade with Los Angeles that will send Kevin Brown to the Yankees for Jeff Weaver.”

    This is what started me down the path of Cashman discontent. Not aggressively pursuing Andy ( has a familiar ring to it) and than on top of that replacing him with Kevin freaking Brown.

    Add in Bernies farewell :mad: , Posada’s respect :mad: , Jeter’s contract :mad: yeah can’t say i’m a fan of Mr. Cashman.

  82. Against All Odds April 9th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    I remember being quite angry about them giving Paulie’s number to Latroy Hawkings (or whatever his name was)…

    ———————-

    What the fans and O’neil did to Hawkins was wrong

  83. G. Love April 9th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    I stand corrected. Wow, 3 guys wore it when he was in Houston.

  84. Nick in SF April 9th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Well, according to a top baseball expert on LoHud, it was common knowledge throughout the league that Andy went back to Houston for marital reasons and everything else was just for show.

    Now I just don’t know what to believe.

  85. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    Against All Odds April 9th, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    I remember being quite angry about them giving Paulie’s number to Latroy Hawkings (or whatever his name was)…

    ———————-

    What the fans and O’neil did to Hawkins was wrong
    =======

    What did they do to him. What was O’Neill’s role in it?

  86. G. Love April 9th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    From what I can remember I thought it was pretty much known that Andy was going to need surgery during the early part of the contract and that the Yankees were playing hardball with him knowing that he’d be on the shelf for part of it?

    Didn’t he have arm surgery in Houston?

  87. jmv April 9th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    jmills! Thanks for the link! How are you?

    I’ve always loved Laffite’s quote.

    Now would you explain me why is Montoya’s name on that article? LOL

  88. jmills April 9th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    My man, Otto ” the Swatto ” Velez, wore 46!

  89. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Nick in SF April 9th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    I suspect that it was a combination of the two. The Yanks dropped the ball, but Pettitte wanted to go home.

    “Pettitte took $7.5 million less to sign with the Astros — the Yankees’ last offer was for $39 million over three years. But the Astros play near Pettitte’s hometown of Deer Park, an important factor for the pitcher’s wife and children.

    “They really wanted me here,” said Pettitte. “My heart started pulling me and tugging me to come back down here and play in front of the Astros and the Houston fans.”

    “We hate to lose Andy Pettitte,” Yankees owner George Steinbrenner said in a statement. “We know the fans may be disappointed, but if you’re counting us out next year, don’t bet the house.”

    Later, as he left the Yankees’ minor league complex in Tampa, Fla., Steinbrenner said, “It’s obvious to a lot of us from the start that he wanted to go home.”

  90. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Andy was never one of one George’s favorites. Remember he wanted to trade him for a package headlined by Adam Easton?

    http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....itte-1983/

  91. jmills April 9th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/Y.....#038;rel=0

    Jmv, I’m fine thanks, tulips on their way!
    Montoya? – every article has its blind spot :D

    The above is a tasteful bit of film.

  92. Bo knows April 9th, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Didn’t he have arm surgery in Houston?

    ——–
    Yes, he did.

    I know it’s narrative but when Posada bent the Yankees over for an extra year, it was just business – but when he went into a tantrum, it was Yankee disrespect.

    And I’ve always been a Posada fan.

  93. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    “I suspect that it was a combination of the two. The Yanks dropped the ball, but Pettitte wanted to go home.”

    Yankees left the door open and Houston busted in. Waited to the last minute and than tried to act interested. maybe I should forgive Cashman. He probably had a manicure appointment or something which interfered with getting Andy an offer.

  94. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    I’m not sure that the fans wronged Hawkins in any way. They felt the way that they felt. Personally, I wouldn’t have booed the guy over it, but I can see some fans being protective. It isn’t at all clear that O’neill egged it on.

    “Hawkins didn’t want to discuss the change Thursday, saying the focus on the number was “unbelievable.” On Tuesday, he told CBSSports.com he made the decision after speaking with Yankees captain Derek Jeter and reliever Mariano Rivera, who played alongside O’Neill.

    “I figure if it’s important enough for Jeter and Mariano and some other veterans to ask me about it, it’s not worth it to keep wearing the number,” Hawkins was quoted as saying.

    O’Neill, a broadcaster for the YES Network, isn’t scheduled to work another game until next week in Chicago. The five-time All-Star said he was largely unaware of the ruckus.

    “Obviously, I have nothing against LaTroy for wearing that number,” he said.

    Girardi intimated the Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, a longtime O’Neill fan, might have been behind the change.

    “My guess is it always comes from the Boss,” he said.

    Steinbrenner spokesman Howard Rubenstein said the owner was not involved in the switch.

    Hawkins, shaking his head at his locker — still marked as No. 21 — said there was one advantage in the change: He still had his gear from spring train”

  95. G. Love April 9th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Andy’s era bloated a bit in 98-2000 and George, who loved to compare numbers, got ticked even though they were winning titles.

    What’s funny is that the years his era bloated were probably some of the biggest years of PED usage in the game giving hitters an edge.

    That said, as many times as George is rumored to have wanted to trade all the guys, he never did. Yeah, people talked him out of it, but he didn’t have to listen. I think he knew the deal deep down inside. I just think he was a fan and got upset like a fan does when these guys aren’t perfect.

  96. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    “I suspect that it was a combination of the two. The Yanks dropped the ball, but Pettitte wanted to go home.”

    Yankees left the door open and Houston busted in. Waited to the last minute and than tried to act interested. maybe I should forgive Cashman. He probably had a manicure appointment or something which interfered with getting Andy an offer.
    ——

    We’re getting all of our information second and third hand. We simply don’t know what happened. If the Boss thought that that they couldn’t bring back Pettitte, then that tells me a lot.

  97. Pat M. April 9th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Nick in SF…. Part of what SJ reported on that issue was and is credible. He wasn’t the only person to have mentioned that as it was a hushed opinion. But Cashman had concerns about # 46′s elbow

  98. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    “but when he went into a tantrum, it was Yankee disrespect.”

    Batting him 9th against the Sox in a nationally televised game wasn’t disrespect?

    That was all on Cashman and until I hear differently it was nothing more than a ploy to get him to retire. “I guess thats he rolls now”

  99. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Andy was never one of one George’s favorites. Remember he wanted to trade him for a package headlined by Adam Easton?

    http://riveraveblues.com/2008/…..itte-1983/
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    Ken Phelps!!

  100. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    “but when he went into a tantrum, it was Yankee disrespect.”

    Batting him 9th against the Sox in a nationally televised game wasn’t disrespect?

    That was all on Cashman and until I hear differently it was nothing more than a ploy to get him to retire. “I guess thats he rolls now”

    =============

    Dude, even Posada’s wife and father knew that Jorge was in the wrong on that one. I like Posada, but let’s not pretend that the man is without flaws. Girardi made out the lineup card, and Posada had a conniption, when he should have just played through.

  101. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Maybe now’s a good time to offer a blanket apology for all my grammatical and punctuation mistakes. I read back over some of my posts and I am appalled!

    And to think I spent all that money on that course GB offered!!

    Time to hit the sack, Good night all.

  102. Bo knows April 9th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    All those years Posada was the heart of that team – An in your face leader – Mr Straight. Then that lunch with the Mets owner to force the extra year. That was shabby.

    A Rod was pinch hit for in the playoffs. Not a murmur. Begrudged class.

  103. dayglo April 9th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    I like the idea of “small ball” instead of depending on home-runs which somehow doesn’t happen in the playoffs. Sort of reminds me of the late 90′s Yankee teams. Not that I would ever think this team is anywhere as good as those teams were. But in some ways this team is more fun to watch than the last few “home run or bust” teams

  104. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    I never said Posada handled it correctly, he did not.

    It was Cashman’s disrespect that led to Posada’s brain freeze. And make no mistake about it, this was all on Cashman. I totally absolve Joe for any part of that episode.

  105. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Bo knows April 9th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    All those years Posada was the heart of that team – An in your face leader – Mr Straight. Then that lunch with the Mets owner to force the extra year. That was shabby.

    ========

    No, that was business. The Yankees are big boys, and if they want to play hardball, then they shouldn’t get offended when somebody gives it back to them.

    (Of course, I agree with you on the other.)

  106. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    ‘Then that lunch with the Mets owner to force the extra year. That was shabby.”

    And apparently Cashman never forgot about it, did he?

  107. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    …It was Cashman’s disrespect that led to Posada’s brain freeze. And make no mistake about it, this was all on Cashman…

    ————

    You don’t know any of that. And Posada is a big boy; I think that he’s man enough to handle that mean Mr. Cashman…

  108. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    And you have to admit, Cashman does hold grudges. Thanks Bo adding that little piece to the puzzle. :D

  109. jmv April 9th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    jmills, thx for the video! Loved it.

    About Posada, every single player asks for an extra year. But not every single player gets 9ed in the order. Not against his archrival. Couldn’t they just sit him? Or talk to him about the decision?

  110. jmills April 9th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    Harold Ballard and George had some overlap with regards to player treatment,….’Cept, George won.

    Happy trails, All!

  111. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    “You don’t know any of that. ”

    You don’t know, that I don’t know.

    You can surmise and your instincts can probably give you a pretty good idea that I don’t know for sure. But that’s all you got.

    Like I am sure you have, I have learned to trust my instincts. My instincts were screaming on this one.

  112. Nick in SF April 9th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    I saw Jorge in a Johnny Walker Black Label ad just tonight.

    Take that, Cashman! :mad: :mad: :mad:

  113. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    jmv April 9th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    jmills, thx for the video! Loved it.

    About Posada, every single player asks for an extra year. But not every single player gets 9ed in the order. Not against his archrival. Couldn’t they just sit him? Or talk to him about the decision?
    ———-

    I assume that Girardi must have talked to him about it. I find it highly implausible that Girardi would do that to him without having a sit down with him. I guess that Girardi would have been wise to have offered Posada an option: bat 9, or take a couple of days off. But for all I know, he might have done just that…

  114. Bronx Jeers April 9th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    All those years Posada was the heart of that team – An in your face leader – Mr Straight. Then that lunch with the Mets owner to force the extra year. That was shabby.

    ————————–

    Likewise I could only imagine who Cashman or Hal would have lunch with if it meant knocking a year off a contract.

    I’d start with Charles Manson and work my way down from there.

  115. Bo knows April 9th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    You see that’s the problem to me – that business equates shyster tactics and that’s okay in this world. No, it isn’t.

    Baseball is a business built on a soap bubble. Yet the greed is pervasive, no values. They want to take away security from the scrubs making peanuts in the clubhouses.

    There is such a thing as business ethics and they lead to success with your client base, your rivals etc. This type of quarterly profit thinking has destroyed the economic base. But this a baseball blog.

  116. Against All Odds April 9th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    O’neil might not have egged it on but he did say this like they gave my number away c’mon now “laughs like O’neil*

  117. Nick in SF April 9th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Cashman took Carl Crawford out to dinner — maybe to confuse the spooks that Theo had on Crawford’s tail?

  118. G. Love April 9th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    I think it’s going to be a very long time before we know the real truth in that story as I think Jorge isn’t writing a tell all book because I’m thinking he wants to manage this team someday.

    I never would’ve thought that until I saw him in spring training shadowing Girardi in the dugout during games.

    That just spoke to me that he’s very curious about that job otherwise he’d be off goofing around with Jeter on the bench or something.

    I don’t think Girardi would ever hire him to be on his staff, but you never know.

  119. jmv April 9th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Ghost,

    Talking is Joe’s way, for sure. But after knowing a guy like Jorge for a bizillion years, would it be wise to offer him the 9 spot? I don’t think so. Just call him to the office and say to him: “you are batting awful, so you are going to the bench, we’ll say your back is in pain”. What makes me wonder about the previous meeting is that the lineup was already posted.

  120. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    “You don’t know any of that. ”

    You don’t know, that I don’t know.

    You can surmise and your instincts can probably give you a pretty good idea that I don’t know for sure. But that’s all you got.

    Like I am sure you have, I have learned to trust my instincts. My instincts were screaming on this one.
    =

    I trust facts. In the absence of facts, I try to avoid assuming the worst about people. And generally speaking, the simplest explanation is usually the most plausible one. In this case, the simplest explanation is that Jorge overreacted because he was frustrated and embarrassed with himself, his performance, and with Girardi and Cashman. He was a proud, emotional guy, who let his emotions get the better of him, during the course of a very tough season. He’s still a good guy, in my book. And it isn’t Casman’s falt that Po got old.

  121. Triple Short of a Cycle April 9th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    Looks like Trout is in store for a sophomore slump. His at bats are terrible

  122. Bronx Jeers April 9th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    Spooks? Are we sure that word passes the Charlton Heston test?

  123. Nick in SF April 9th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    “And it isn’t Casman’s falt that Po got old.”

    Jorge probably wanted to “take a trip to Miami” and Cashman wouldn’t let him. :mad:

  124. Tar April 9th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    There was no sit down pow wow with Posada. He was blind sided and he reacted. Wrongly, but that happens sometimes when you are blind sided.

    Now who orchestrated all that, including the mid game game presser? Puppet Joe or Puppeteer Cashman?

  125. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    “I don’t think Girardi would ever hire him to be on his staff, but you never know.”

    As I have said before, I would love for Posada to manage this team, but not while his former teammates are still playing.

    Some people have said that Girardi shouldn’t have been hired while his former teammates are still here as well.

  126. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    jmv April 9th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Ghost,

    Talking is Joe’s way, for sure. But after knowing a guy like Jorge for a bizillion years, would it be wise to offer him the 9 spot? I don’t think so. Just call him to the office and say to him: “you are batting awful, so you are going to the bench, we’ll say your back is in pain”. What makes me wonder about the previous meeting is that the lineup was already posted.
    =============

    Girardi is a very smart guy. But sometimes, he can be frickin’ stupid. Your way of handling it, obviously would have been the best and most tactful way. Suffice it to say, I don’t think that anybody covered themselves in glory that day, with the exception of Mrs. Posada.

  127. Bo knows April 9th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    He’s still a good guy, in my book. And it isn’t Cashman’s fault that Po got old.

    ———–
    Yep, all this. Besides he was arrogant, obstinate, almost came to blows with his pitcher over pitch selection – Loved that guy.

  128. Bo knows April 9th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Girardi is a very smart guy. But sometimes, he can be frickin’ stupid. Your way of handling it, obviously would have been the best and most tactful way. Suffice it to say, I don’t think that anybody covered themselves in glory that day, with the exception of Mrs. Posada.

    ——————————

    And it looked good on Mrs Posada. (Stifle any further cheap comments)

  129. Ghostwriter April 9th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    “I don’t think Girardi would ever hire him to be on his staff, but you never know.”

    As I have said before, I would love for Posada to manage this team, but not while his former teammates are still playing.

    Some people have said that Girardi shouldn’t have been hired while his former teammates are still here as well.
    =============

    He would have to mellow quite a bit. I don’t think that Posada has the temperament for the job. However, I think that he could be a great bench coach…

  130. Rich in NJ April 9th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Age mellows all of us.

  131. jmv April 9th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    New post!————————————————-

    And I’m out for today. Nice game and chat

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