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Yankees pregame: Pettitte hurting

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 12, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Andy Pettitte is having a problem with back spasms. The 40-year-old lefty first felt it in the mid-back area in the third inning of his start in Cleveland Tuesday and fought through it, allowing a run over seven innings in the 14-1 win. He was OK after laser treatment Wednesday and during his bullpen session Thursday. But the Yankees sent him home ahead of the team and he felt his lower back lock up at home Thursday night.

So they have pushed his Sunday start back. Now they’re hoping he can go Tuesday or Wednesday. Pettitte said he would have gone out and fought through it again, but the Yankees are taking the long view.

“I’m almost 100 percent we believe it’s a muscle spasm,” Pettitte said. “So hopefully it just calms down and I don’t have any more problems with it.”

So Phil Hughes, instead of pitching out of the bullpen after his start got rained out in Cleveland Thursday night, will take the ball Saturday and Hiroki Kuroda will be pushed back a day, starting now on Sunday.

Joe Girardi said he wasn’t expecting a full complement of starts out of Pettitte this season, not at this age. Pettitte hasn’t made it through a full season since 2009, when he made 32 starts, although he was retired for 2011.

“I think it’s pretty tough to get 32 starts out of a young guy in a sense, a guy who hasn’t logged as many innings as he has,” Girardi said. “Our hope is you get somewhere between 28 and 30 starts. … I don’t think we expect him to make 32 starts.”

Cleveland’s Carlos Carrasco got eight games and a fine for intentionally hitting Kevin Youkilis in Tuesday’s game. Girardi said he wasn’t surprised.

Youkilis’ reaction? “I’m indifferent,” he said.

We should be able to get this game in, but it’s really cold and very windy.

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158 Responses to “Yankees pregame: Pettitte hurting”

  1. Captain Clutch April 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Still haven’t seen anything in the way of proof, guilty or not. It’s going to take way more than this to successfully suspend him.
    —————–

    True. But I am sure they are working on it.

  2. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Captain Clutch April 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Still haven’t seen anything in the way of proof, guilty or not. It’s going to take way more than this to successfully suspend him.
    —————–
    True. But I am sure they are working on it.

    ——————

    Lol, I sure as hell hope they already have it. Ideally, that is how these things would work….

  3. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Unless Bug Selig is willing to step down for turning a blind eye for so many years to the steroids, this will never ever be taken seriously.

  4. pat April 12th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04.....1&

  5. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I just hope whatever evidence MLB buys, they throw away all the stuff with Cano’s name on it!

  6. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    And if baseball was serious about this, they would all agree that every contract should come with a void clause for positive tests.

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock April 12th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    CRAP!

    What’s money about us is the two lefties and Kuroda, Cano, and the back of the bullpen.

    Pitching depth I believe in, but we may test it more than I would like. There’s only one Andy.

    Later.

  8. thesheist April 12th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Michael S. Schmidt of the New York Times reports that MLB has uncovered evidence that a representative of Alex Rodriguez arranged to purchase documents from Biogenesis.

    This comes on the heels of a report on Thursday night that MLB was attempting to purchase documents from former Biogenesis employees. According to Schmidt, MLB felt motivated to purchase the documents after learning that Rodriguez had attempted to acquire them, likely with the motivation to destroy evidence of possible PED use. A-Rod has flatly denied the report through his spokesman Terry Fahn, according to Ken Davidoff of the New York Post.

  9. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    I like how it is a ‘rep for arod’. did the guy walk in and say, i represent mr. rodriguez and i would like to purchase evidence specific to his time here?’

    ———————–

    :lol:

  10. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    The Yankees should go to Cano’s agent and say we will do an 8 year 216 million dollar extension right now, but we demand a clause that says if he tests positive for roids, we can void it. Just to see what the reaction is. If they give any sense that is a problem, as management, i would be very worried because of cano’s connection to melky and alex.

    Granted the union would never allow this, but still would worry if he was unwilling to agree to that sort of deal.

  11. luis April 12th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    luis April 12th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
    JS,

    Then… Let’s make the swap for Pineda, I am sure he doesn’t have much trade value either ;)

    Seriously though, I doubt that a catcher with the potential of Montero has little trade value… His upside is immense… I am sure that there are going to be a lot of teams interested in him… In any case, I don’t think he is going anywhere for the time being.

    Primo!

    Told ya! ;) … He has some weird routes on the field but he makes the plays and is not afraid of the walls… His bat though is very especial

  12. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    ac1,

    The player doesn’t have to tip their hand, simply say that a clause would be in violation of the CBA. The Agent would say that.

  13. Shame Spencer April 12th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Granted the union would never allow this, but still would worry if he was unwilling to agree to that sort of deal.

    —————————

    You mean the union that houses a bunch of players that are sick and tired of having to deal with these allegations because of a few bad apples in the bunch?! :roll:

  14. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Pitching depth I believe in, but we may test it more than I would like. There’s only one Andy.
    ___

    Pettitte was going to need his breaks this season.
    Hopefully Phelps, Warren, Wang and Pineda can cover us. 9 average to great starters on this team…… I feel good.

  15. jacksquat April 12th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Yep, they still need proof, and it will be questioned if it was paid for.

  16. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    You mean the union that houses a bunch of players that are sick and tired of having to deal with these allegations because of a few bad apples in the bunch?! :roll:
    ___

    Yes that one. Because the few bad ones make them a lot of money.
    The players overall are tired of it, but the union will never agree.

  17. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    The player doesn’t have to tip their hand, simply say that a clause would be in violation of the CBA. The Agent would say that.
    ___

    I know that’s why i said this would never happen…..
    I love Cano but his connection to Alex and Melky cannot be overlooked.

  18. luis April 12th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    ac1,

    8…. The ninth is still an unknown… Hopefully, he surprises all of us, but I wouldn’t bet on him.

  19. Doreen April 12th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Shame -

    Ha ha!

    Well, ya never know. :(

    But yeah, how did they know it was ARod’s rep???

  20. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    8…. The ninth is still an unknown… Hopefully, he surprises all of us, but I wouldn’t bet on him.
    ____

    Even without Pineda I have confidence in the other 8.

  21. Doreen April 12th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Maybe they’re following him 24-7?

  22. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Even without Pineda I have confidence in the other 8.
    ___

    Because I believe if necessary, Marshall or Nuno would start and be quality…

  23. Doreen April 12th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Ooops, that is ac1. Not Shame.

  24. joeman April 12th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Michael S. Schmidt of the New York Times reports that MLB has uncovered evidence that a representative of Alex Rodriguez arranged to purchase documents from Biogenesis.
    This comes on the heels of a report on Thursday night that MLB was attempting to purchase documents from former Biogenesis employees. According to Schmidt, MLB felt motivated to purchase the documents after learning that Rodriguez had attempted to acquire them, potentially with the motivation to destroy evidence of possible PED use. A-Rod has flatly denied the report through his spokesman Terry Fahn, according to Ken Davidoff of the New York Post

  25. jacksquat April 12th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Doreen April 12th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
    Maybe they’re following him 24-7?

    Like Steinbrenner had Winfield followed, and as a result was suspended? That would be funny.

  26. joeman April 12th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    this guy should just ride off into the sunset

  27. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    His teammates say the right things, but you know that they are beyond tired of this day to day A-Rod drama. Guilty or not, he has done this to himself.

  28. luis April 12th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    ac1,

    I agree… We have plenty of depth.. I just wouldn’t count on Pineda just yet

  29. balotin April 12th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    http://tracking.si.com/2013/04.....ng-clinic/

    This report says that arods agent purchased the records. If so then they have been destroyed and mlb has no evidence. Arod will not be suspended

  30. ac1 April 12th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    I agree we have to wait on pineda but we have plenty of reinforcements i would feel comfortable starting for us.

  31. pat April 12th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1315322

  32. pat April 12th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Here’s a book waiting to be written….

    “According to the source, Rodriguez, who is believed to have obtained the documents in the last few months, “also knows all the players who are on the list. … He obviously thought he could control it.”

  33. Doreen April 12th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Did he purchase them, or did he TRY to purchase them?

    And if he thought of it before MLB, well, there’s that!

    Really. I am beyond words on this anymore. ARod. Sigh.

  34. Rich in NJ April 12th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Here’s a book waiting to be written….

    “According to the source, Rodriguez, who is believed to have obtained the documents in the last few months, “also knows all the players who are on the list. … He obviously thought he could control it.”
    _

    There are two issues: what actually happened, and what could be proven under MLB’s current process and review.

    My guess is not much.

    So unless the Yankees and MLB want to risk a protracted fight with probably a low probability of winning, the practical effect of all this stuff will be next to nothing.

    I wish it were otherwise. I would like to see the Yankees spend the money due A-Rod on far young players.

  35. Doreen April 12th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    I cannot follow that NYDN article. I cannot even follow it.

  36. Ys Guy April 12th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    ….what a freakin dirtbag….

  37. ron April 12th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    I’m not too confident in wang,warren,pineda til they show us what they can do.
    Even nova is a huge question mark.
    He has been horrible for a while now.

  38. Doreen April 12th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    And for some reason I have Copa Cabana in my head – intrigue and passion were always in fashion at the copa!!

  39. Ys Guy April 12th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    as always i totally disagree with rich. i said it when the biogenesis thing came out that i thought hed never play for the yankees again, and now that possibility is one more step closer!

    its a good day even if they get rained out.

    …what a dirtbag!

  40. MG April 12th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    how anyone can consider Wang an option for the Yankees’ rotation in 2013 is way beyond my comprehension.

    Has he even made an appearance in a minor league game yet?

    Andy will be OK and make 20-25 starts this year and Kuroda will probably miss a couple as well, that should satisfy everyone who wants Phelps in the rotation given that they seem to prefer Nova at this point in time.

  41. Eroc April 12th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    You guys underestimate Arod and his people – they are never going to do anything that will risk him getting suspended for a significant period of time or have his contract voided or anything like that. They also know by now that the Yankees desperately want to get out of his contract and will try and exploit a loophole everytime he does anything questionable. He isn’t going do anything that has a high probability of precipitating his release from the Yankees and/or a lengthy suspension or voiding of his contact

  42. Ys Guy April 12th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    i’ve been hearing that mlb is not done with melky and the guy who tried to set up the dummy website because they intend to come down hard on the coverup not just the ped violation.

    i expect a suspension for the ped’s and then another if they can prove arod tried to cover it up.

  43. Ys Guy April 12th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    “Eroc April 12th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    You guys underestimate Arod and his people – they are never going to do anything that will risk him getting suspended for a significant period of time”
    =========================================
    …like taking steroide or taking hgh?

  44. Ghostwriter April 12th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Youkilis’ reaction? “I’m indifferent,” he said.

    ====

    Heh. I’m starting to like that SOB.

  45. jacksquat April 12th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    I think they will end up in a big fight with the Player’s Union if they try to suspend Arod for ped use without a positive test, or try to suspend him for any related “cover up”.

  46. Ghostwriter April 12th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    MG April 12th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    how anyone can consider Wang an option for the Yankees’ rotation in 2013 is way beyond my comprehension.

    Has he even made an appearance in a minor league game yet?

    Andy will be OK and make 20-25 starts this year and Kuroda will probably miss a couple as well, that should satisfy everyone who wants Phelps in the rotation given that they seem to prefer Nova at this point in time.
    =============

    If the Yanks actually need ot rely on Wang for anything other than long relief, then that’s a pretty good sign that they’re in trouble.

  47. ron April 12th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Span
    werth
    harper
    zimmerman
    laroche
    desmond
    espinosa
    suzuki

    That is the nationals starting lineup tonight.

    Point being,you don’t need 4,or 5 big bats in a lineup.Just a balance,and great pitching,with a few power bats.
    This is a team that is number one in mlb power rankings.

  48. G. Love April 12th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    If they have any financial record of Arod or someone linked to him paying someone at that clinic, he’ll be banned from baseball in a blink of an eye.

    They’ll follow the money but I’m sure he’s smart enough to have it set up that it can’t appear it came from him directly.

    This is where all the high stakes poker playing buddies around the world he has come in handy.

  49. MG April 12th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Doreen April 12th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    Did he purchase them, or did he TRY to purchase them?

    And if he thought of it before MLB, well, there’s that!

    Really. I am beyond words on this anymore. ARod. Sigh.
    ————————
    Doreen, the DN article says that Rodriguez purchased the records and then had his agent/gofor/emissary go to the office and pick them up.

    ‘A-Rod allegedly took up the offer, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the scheme, and sent his own intermediary to retrieve the documents. Stories have spread through the league and its players that A-Rod possesses a list of names and documents that he has either leaked to the media to deflect attention from himself or destroyed them before anyone can see them.’

    The article also says that baseball ‘was shown the records’ that could just mean they looked at them but didn’t take them or have any permanent documentation showing who took what and when.

    Rodriguez is guilty by association in this matter-he may not get suspended or have any action taken against him but he has no reason to buy this crap unless his name is all over it.

  50. Rich in NJ April 12th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    “They’ll follow the money but I’m sure he’s smart enough to have it set up that it can’t appear it came from him directly.”

    This is an unintended of consequence of making players ridiculously rich rather than merely well-off. If you can drop millions on lawyers and other means of self-protection, you become almost bullet-proof.

  51. MG April 12th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    I personally never want to see Rodriguez on the field for the Yankees again.

    Since the release of the Mitchell report info naming him and his admission of taking PEDs I’ve always thought his opt-out at a most inopportune time was a carefully crafted way to get the Yankees to give him another contract before that information was released because the Yankees wouldn’t have touched him with a 10′ poll afterwards.

  52. MG April 12th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    on a more pleasant note, it looks like there will be a game tonight, precipitation probability is 0% according to weather.com: http://www.weather.com/weather.....h/USNY0172

  53. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    A-rod wasn’t named in the mitchell report. And his admission came 2 years after he signed his deal. The timing isn’t there. He got popped in a survey test that was unpunishable.

  54. MG April 12th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    A-rod wasn’t named in the mitchell report. And his admission came 2 years after he signed his deal. The timing isn’t there. He got popped in a survey test that was unpunishable.
    ——————-
    exactly, his admission was 2 years after signing the deal and he got popped for taking PEDs while he was in Texas, about 4 years earlier.

    He had this hanging over his head the whole time so opted out ASAP to get a deal before anything could ‘out’ him.

  55. Bronx Jeers April 12th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Funny but when I heard that a player was supposedly buying these documents I immediately thought to myself “Sounds like our guy…”

  56. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    exactly, his admission was 2 years after signing the deal and he got popped for taking PEDs while he was in Texas, about 4 years earlier.

    He had this hanging over his head the whole time so opted out ASAP to get a deal before anything could ‘out’ him.

    ??? Doesn’t make sense. The test was supposedly secret, so there shouldn’t have been anything there to out him. That means there are 100 other players who are doing equally duplicitous things.

  57. MG April 12th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Rodriguez knew about this in 2004-the union denies telling him but even suggesting to a guy taking PEDs he might be on the list would be enough:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3894847

    Rodriguez said he was told by Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the MLB Players Association, that he might, or might not, have tested positive in the 2003 survey. That conversation happened during the 2004 season. A source told ESPN on Saturday that Rodriguez knew he had failed the test.

    According to the Mitchell report, all players who failed the test in 2003 were notified by September 2004.

    Rodriguez said he didn’t know for sure he had failed a test until Sports Illustrated contacted him last week.

    Orza told The New York Times he did not tip off Rodriguez to a test at the conclusion of the ’04 season. “It’s not true. Simple as that,” he told the newspaper on Monday via e-mail.

    Union head Donald Fehr reiterated in a statement that there was no improper tipping of players.

    “Any allegations that Gene Orza or any other MLBPA official acted improperly are wrong,” he said.

    Fehr said the union first received test results on Nov. 11, 2003, that the results were finalized two days later and that players were notified the following day, a Friday.

    “Promptly thereafter, the first steps were taken to begin the process of destruction of the testing materials and records,” Fehr said. “On Nov. 19, however, we learned that the government had issued a subpoena. Upon learning this, we concluded, of course, that it would be improper to proceed with the destruction of the materials.”

    Rodriguez said Orza told him in August or September 2004 about the list of names that had been seized by federal investigators.

    “He said there’s a government list. There’s 104 players in it. You might or might not have tested positive,” Rodriguez said.

  58. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    So for 3 years A-rod schemed to opt out so he could get a new deal on the off chance 2 years later a secret supposedly destroyed but maybe not list would leak only his name? Too much of a conspiracy theory. A-rod opted out because it meant he got hundreds of millions more dollars than he was currently due, and it may not have even been him. Apparently Boras did it on his own because he smelt blood in the water following A-rod’s MVP season.

  59. MG April 12th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
    exactly, his admission was 2 years after signing the deal and he got popped for taking PEDs while he was in Texas, about 4 years earlier.

    He had this hanging over his head the whole time so opted out ASAP to get a deal before anything could ‘out’ him.

    ??? Doesn’t make sense. The test was supposedly secret, so there shouldn’t have been anything there to out him. That means there are 100 other players who are doing equally duplicitous things.
    ————–
    the article is above, you can believe whatever you want, I could not care less, but I see it as he was taking PEDs, knew his name might be on the list, and opted out immediately to get his big contract.

  60. Rich in NJ April 12th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    It’s not like A-Rod is alone. There are probably 100s of players who have used.

  61. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    I see it as he was taking PEDs, knew his name might be on the list, and opted out immediately to get his big contract.

    You lump these together but they aren’t connected. He took PEDs in Texas. Then much later, after not failing any tests at all, opted out (or Boras opted out for him) after an MVP season. Thats like the best possible time to opt out without there needing to be an extra PED motive.

  62. MG April 12th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    his optout clause wasn’t effective until 7 years into his Rangers contract, that’s exactly when he opted out (source, NY Times):

    Long before he joined the Yankees, Rodriguez was represented by Scott Boras, an agent whose clients include many of the game’s biggest stars and who has a reputation for extracting huge sums of money from teams. Boras had worked his magic for Rodriguez when he joined the Texas Rangers after the 2000 season, securing a precedent-setting 10-year, $252 million deal.

    That landmark contract contained a key provision. Known as an opt-out clause, it essentially set up Rodriguez for two big paydays in the prime of his career, whereas most players get one at most. Rodriguez had the choice to walk away from his contract after seven years and take another shot at the open market by making himself available to other teams. The option followed Rodriguez to the Yankees when they traded for him before the 2004 season.

  63. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    He didn’t immediately opt out or opt out ‘ASAP’, he opted out when his contract allowed him the option. Or Boras did it for him.

  64. RSM April 12th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Not sure what MLB thinks they can do with those documents, but I’m not sure can’t use them in any legal proceedings. Since the information references supposed medical treatments, those records would be protected by federal law (HIPAA). For MLB to use them, they would either need the patient’s written permission (which will not be forthcoming), or by subpoena (which they have no authority for).
    In fact, I believe MLB may have broken the law in obtaining them in the way that they did.
    Any lawyers here?

  65. Tar April 12th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Haha hilarious, If its true and Alex gets away with it I am going to join Alex and LMAO at poor ” innocent” Bud.

  66. kd April 12th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    why target arod? braun failed a test last year. gotta be more to this story than meets the eye

    conspiracy theorists can go crazy now

  67. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    i’ve been hearing that mlb is not done with melky and the guy who tried to set up the dummy website because they intend to come down hard on the coverup not just the ped violation.

    i expect a suspension for the ped’s and then another if they can prove arod tried to cover it up.
    ===============================================
    Yeah, that’s the guy we should have went after , Melky.

  68. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    I wonder what ulterior motives CC Sabathia had for opting out ASAP so he could force the Yankees to give him a massive extension.

  69. MG April 12th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
    He didn’t immediately opt out or opt out ‘ASAP’, he opted out when his contract allowed him the option. Or Boras did it for him.
    ——————————–
    you really aren’t very smart.

    He opted out at the first available opportunity, that’s why it was done during the post-season.

    If he had nothing to worry about he would have waited until the post-season was over and it would have been the same process as CC’s with his new contract.

    I’m done.

  70. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    It’s just a matter of time till Arod gets busted. He has been teflon up till now.
    So either he gets suspended or banned. How could anybody this smart be so dumb?
    One day he will finally be defined as one or the other, not that getting paid and still playing the game he loves makes him smart. If it gets taken away he will be considered dumb.

  71. Rich in NJ April 12th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    “Yeah, that’s the guy we should have went after , Melky.”

    There are reports that Hafner used. If you keep every guy who used off your team, the team would probably suck.

  72. pat April 12th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    “…….opted out immediately to get his big contract.”

    If he thought he would be outed, he wouldn’t have taken the chance to opt out and leave himself with no contract for a few weeks in the Fall of 2007.

    All the leaks seem to be coming from MLB. Satisfied with winning in the court of public opinion because they know the no shot in the court of law?

  73. Bronx Jeers April 12th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Selig and ARod should just hug it out. Or even better have a steel-cage match with the winner getting the documents.

  74. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    you really aren’t very smart.

    He opted out at the first available opportunity, that’s why it was done during the post-season.

    If he had nothing to worry about he would have waited until the post-season was over and it would have been the same process as CC’s with his new contract.

    I’m done.

    Says the person that doesn’t understand opt outs and scott boras apparently? Boras wanted A-rod to opt out, Boras did that, which is why A-rod negotiated his contract essentially by himself with the help of goldman sachs. Boras is the one who proclaimed the opt out. And the opt out, at that time, is the smartest thing for a player to make the most money which is what Boras prides himself on doing!

    Occam’s razor, dummy.

  75. Doreen April 12th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Wait. ARod leaked names???? That would mean he purchased this stuff like the next day after it became known, wouldn’t it? Be ause after that first week or so I dont recall new names being leaked.

    But would ARod do that to his fellow players?? I really have trouble. Elieving that part of it.

  76. Rich in NJ April 12th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    “Since the release of the Mitchell report info naming him and his admission of taking PEDs I’ve always thought his opt-out at a most inopportune time was a carefully crafted way to get the Yankees to give him another contract before that information was released because the Yankees wouldn’t have touched him with a 10? poll afterwards.”

    Then what does it say about the Yankees for agreeing to have the contract with the opt-out assigned to them?

  77. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    There are reports that Hafner used. If you keep every guy who used off your team, the team would probably suck.
    ==================
    How much is Hafner making for his 1 year here?
    Melky demanded a multi year big contract.
    But you knew that…

  78. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    The thing that requires the most leaps of logic is that A-rod was so worried that an ANONYMOUS test of which the players themselves did not know the results and was destroyed and / or SEALED that he opts out of his contract fearing that he may just not get that next payday.

    Theres no way its MVP opts out of contract after MVP season while still only 31 so that he can get giant contract due to him for MVP performance. (Theres a reason opt outs tend to come around age 31)

  79. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Arod has now entered into Nixon territory.

  80. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    He will never play a game again for the Yankees.

  81. Rich in NJ April 12th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    “How much is Hafner making for his 1 year here?
    Melky demanded a multi year big contract.
    But you knew that…”

    Melky’s contract is for two years and he plays against LH and RH pitching and plays the field, unlike Hafner (who is fine for what he is, but…).

    I knew that too.

    So you would take Melky for one year?

    Instead they gave Ichiro two years even though he is near 40.

    And Sherman said the decision was not unanimous:

    There was not unanimity in the Yankees front office about bringing back Ichiro Suzuki, specifically on a two-year contract. In fact, there were executives who would have preferred to see that money (two years at $12 million) directed to Russell Martin instead.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....1oIzXuLL/1

  82. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Melky’s contract is for two years and he plays against LH and RH pitching and plays the field, unlike Hafner (who is fine for what he is, but…).
    ===============================
    You miss the point.
    Melky will get busted this year or next and the money spent on him will be lost, not to mention make the Yankees look like fools.

  83. joecembrale April 12th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    RSM April 12th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
    Not sure what MLB thinks they can do with those documents, but I’m not sure can’t use them in any legal proceedings. Since the information references supposed medical treatments, those records would be protected by federal law (HIPAA). For MLB to use them, they would either need the patient’s written permission (which will not be forthcoming), or by subpoena (which they have no authority for).
    In fact, I believe MLB may have broken the law in obtaining them in the way that they did.
    Any lawyers here?

    If the guy from Biogemesis (i don’t remember his name) is not a doctor, are the records still covered by HIPPA? I am asking because I honestly don’t know.

  84. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Melky will get busted this year or next and the money spent on him will be lost, not to mention make the Yankees look like fools.

    Suspended players are not paid.

  85. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    I said busted, that could be worse…aside from the money.

  86. Rich in NJ April 12th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    According to MG, they are already fools for not realizing that accepting assignment of A-Rod’s contract from TX with an opt-out was part of a plot.

  87. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    How could anybody defend arod?
    You’re either an apologist or a contrarian.
    Is this the kind of guy you would want your son to idolize or even look up to?

  88. Rich in NJ April 12th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    I’m not defending him, mick. As I said, I hope they can get rid of contract and spend it on younger players. I just don’t think it’s possible. I also think every team in MLB knowingly signed/signs players they have/had reason to believe used.

    They are all culpable.

  89. jacksquat April 12th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    I don’t approve of things Arod has done (or allegedly), but I’m not too fond of Bud and Co. either.

  90. Bronx Jeers April 12th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Curious to see how YES covers this in the pre-game.

  91. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    What is arod afraid of?
    Does he have a conscience or any sense of right and wrong?
    Does he even think he cannot be caught when he does these things or even care?
    It’s just a matter of time before his teflon wears off but he will still get paid which is all he seems to care about.

  92. I Am Winning April 12th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    I don’t understand the logic behind A-Rod buying medical records just to destroy them. Any health care facility can provide an unlimited amount of medical records. Unless A-Rod paid them for the original paperwork(to actually destroy) and/or to swipe them from the system (if their medical records are electronical) and, if his efforts of destroying his association with BioGenesis are true, he is just making a complete fool of himself. Either that, or the MLB investigators are the ones making a fool of themselves.

  93. Bronx Jeers April 12th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Oh snap it’s on channel 9 tonight.

  94. Jerkface April 12th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    I said busted, that could be worse…aside from the money.

    Is busted different than suspended? Because if he isn’t suspended then the money is not lost.

  95. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Curious to see how YES covers this in the pre-game.
    ======================
    you won’t as its on MY9

  96. jmills April 12th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Go Jays! Snuff out the 9 game dissenters!!!

  97. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    busted can be banned. who knows what this could lead to. in any case whether he was paid or not, if he can’t play he is of no use to the club, so it isn’t only about the money. it would also p!ss fans off which is bad PR.

  98. Bronx Jeers April 12th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    You know what would be nice? If MLB or whoever actually showed us the proof that something bad actually happened.

  99. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    I don’t approve of things Arod has done (or allegedly), but I’m not too fond of Bud and Co. either.
    ==============================
    have you ever seen the video of a guy who wants to go back in time to kill slig so that bush could have been the commish instead of the prez?

  100. yankee21 April 12th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    I have no problem with Arod getting what he deserves from MLB with respect to PED usage.

    I do have a big problem though with selective targeting, bias by MLB, seemingly dropping any interest at all in other guys not named A-rod, for example David Ortiz.

  101. jmills April 12th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    MLB and the union doesn’t want to do anything or else there’d be complete random testing and life time suspensions. Poor Ben Johnson – fastest thing in the world, the other 7 had stuff in them too, you can be sure.

  102. UnKnown April 12th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Time to go Bird Hunting.

  103. jmills April 12th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    When I said, ” fastest thing in the world “, I should have qualified that as cheetahs are certanly faster as is Gilles Villeneuve.

  104. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    You know what would be nice? If MLB or whoever actually showed us the proof that something bad actually happened.
    ===================
    Where is that list that names names?
    If every player uses does Congress shut down baseball?

  105. jmills April 12th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Unknown, deep inside, you like big birds :)

  106. jmills April 12th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Mick, if Congress shuts down MLB, its up to you and me, mon ami.

  107. mick April 12th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    If Congress shut down baseball could football be far behind?
    Remember when the major sports were anything other than baseball, etc, the prior 1900 years?
    It could happen…

  108. jmills April 12th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Is it true, ” it never rains in southern California ” ?

  109. jmills April 12th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Mick, don’t worry, if the powers that be shut down baseball, curling is done.

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