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Hafner helping Yankees

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 13, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yes, it’s early. But Travis Hafner has been productive for the Yankees so far as the DH against righties, helping to make up for half an All-Star team that’s on the disabled list right now.

“You always want to get off to a good start,” Hafner said. “It’s important for the season. With some guys out of the lineup who are normally middle-part-of-the-order hitters, it’s important. Really, everybody has picked up the slack. A lot of guys have swung the bats really well. You just want to contribute and help the team win.”

The 35-year-old lefty hitter, who left Cleveland after 10 years and signed on Feb. 1 for one year and $2 million plus bonuses, is at .310 (9 for 29) with two homers, six RBI and five walks.

“He has fit in great,” Joe Girardi said. “He has brought stability to the middle of our order, a guy that can hit the ball out of the ballpark, a guy that’s selective, that has long counts, that’s going to really work a pitcher and grind out his at-bat.”

A perfect example came in the decisive seventh-inning rally in Friday night’s 5-2 win over the Orioles. The Yankees had runners at the corners and two outs in a 2-2 game. Hafner worked the count full against lefty reliever Troy Patton before getting drilled in the left thigh. Vernon Wells followed against Pedro Strop with a fly to deep center that Adam Jones dropped for a three-run error.

The Yankees will have to hope Hafner stays healthy, something he struggled to do with the Indians, especially the last five years.

“I like the role that I’m in,” Hafner said. “I think it’ll help keep me really fresh and hopefully be able to continue to contribute.”

This is a link to my full feature story today on Hafner.

 

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86 Responses to “Hafner helping Yankees”

  1. RadioKev April 13th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle April 13th, 2013 at 8:29 am
    Roethlisberger rapes a girl and Vick killed dogs yet Arod gets more negative press. Go figure
    ————

    Oh yeah. I don’t think it’s right at all. Watching Roethlisberger makes me sick, and I used to think he was great and all. But this is sports and that’s the way it is.

    A-Rod can’t play his way out of this controversy. An optimistic .800 OPS just won’t do it with fans overall. Personally, I just feel kind of cheated because I bought into the whole apology deal.

  2. Shame Spencer April 13th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    RadioKev April 13th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    I definitely don’t endorse the way MLB has handled this. The offering immunity thing to players report is highly dubious. The open character assassination is dubious. But, if they do have grounds to suspend Alex on buying evidence against him, he’s a goner.

    ———————

    I think the obvious point is..well…if they did have grounds to suspend him, they would have already done it. This is another smoke screen as far as I’m concerned.

    When are we gonna find out about Tiger lol?! I don’t even like golf but damn..

  3. NYYanksFan April 13th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    “This level of cheating and deception is against the Yankee brand.”

    George made cheating and dception part of the Yankee brand with the felony obstruction of justice and the Winfield Spira stuff.

    A-Rod might be more like George than his own sons.

  4. jacksquat April 13th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    It’s telling how they kept Hafner in vs the lhp. I don’t know if they’ll always leave him in there like that, but Francisco is definitely a goner when Granderson gets back.

  5. Mike in Harrisburg April 13th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    At the plate, Hefner is kind of how I hoped Tex would age.

  6. austinmac April 13th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    I agree Francisco must be the first outfielder gone even if he is right handed. If they aren’t using him against the LHP, he has no role.

  7. blake April 13th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    If Tiger gets disqualified then it’ll be kinda one of the most unfortunate moments in sports that I’ve seen

  8. Rich in NJ April 13th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Hafner’s low cost made him a worthwhile risk to take.

  9. blake April 13th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    By unfortunate I just mean bad luck

  10. RadioKev April 13th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    NYYanksFan April 13th, 2013 at 8:41 am
    “This level of cheating and deception is against the Yankee brand.”

    George made cheating and dception part of the Yankee brand with the felony obstruction of justice and the Winfield Spira stuff.

    A-Rod might be more like George than his own sons.
    ———

    Yeah? So that’s what you think of when you think Yankees? Cheating and deception?

    People discredited the first Miami reports because of the newspaper that broke the story. Well, this is the NY Times. That criticism doesn’t work now. Remember the Lance reports? This is a similar feel. I imagine the suspension is forthcoming.

  11. Rich in NJ April 13th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    A-Rod is one of probably hundreds of players who cheated yet he is treated like no other player.

  12. Shame Spencer April 13th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    According to the Post this morning: “As of yesterday, baseball believed Rodriguez very well could be the player who allegedly, proactively acquired the Biogenesis documents, but its investigators were not yet fully convinced that was the case.”

    Sooooo…..

  13. RadioKev April 13th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    I had no idea why Woods would be disqualified, as I don’t really follow golf, but this article I’m reading is entirely too long. How can you be disqualified when it’s so convoluted? Give him a break…

  14. Shame Spencer April 13th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Also, great little nugget here: “Rodriguez and the other involved players have met with officials from the Major League Baseball Players Association. They haven’t yet met with MLB. Baseball officials, understanding they’ll get just one shot at speaking with the accused players, have attempted to gather more evidence before summoning them. Their hope is that paying for the Biogenesis paperwork will lead them to being better armed for such a get-together.

    So basically MLB has nothing but maybe documents that are.. maybe copies?.. of what was already bought by maybe Arod so they can maybe pull together enough evidence to suspend people. Maybe.

  15. Shame Spencer April 13th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    RadioKev April 13th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    I had no idea why Woods would be disqualified, as I don’t really follow golf, but this article I’m reading is entirely too long. How can you be disqualified when it’s so convoluted? Give him a break…

    I think the problem is they held tight to the rules the other day with that 14 year old kid.. they slapped him with some timing penalty that some thought was unfair given the weather conditions but others maintained were simply in the rule book. In this case.. I think the rule book is working against Woods. But I doubt they disqualify him. It’d be epic if they did.

  16. jacksquat April 13th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    They also have no physical evidence, the investigators were “told” Arod tried to buy the documents, by someone

  17. jmills April 13th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    I don’t like watching golf although playing it was alright. My sister and then time brother in law gave me tickets to the Canadian Open at Glen Abey in Oakville, must have been back in’83 or so, but I skipped. As with any gift, its the thought that counts, but I can think of a plethora of preferable things. I wouldn’t recommend Oakville, because you’ll think you just fell into the Stepford Wives club.

  18. blake April 13th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    “I had no idea why Woods would be disqualified, as I don’t really follow golf, but this article I’m reading is entirely too long. How can you be disqualified when it’s so convoluted? Give him a break…”

    He hit his normal shot and it hit the flag stick and kicked dead left into the water…..it was a great shot and he most likely birdies if it didnt hit the pin…..so then he goes back and hits from the prior spot and sticks it and bogeys….. I think they are saying that he didnt drop it close enough to the original spot…..either way if he’s DQd for this it’s stupid IMO

  19. blake April 13th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    In just saw it on TV….it’s literally 2 feet away from the original spot….ridiculous

  20. Triple Short of a Cycle April 13th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Triple, the Isles were good in the ’93 playoffs as were the Leafs with Dougie ” killer ” Gilmour. You might be right, Long Island might not have won a series since.

    ————————————

    The thing that hurt most was the Isles had a real shot to beat the Canadians to get to the finals against a not so great King team. Turgeon wasn’t healthy and they lost 2 OT games to Montreal. I still remember being at the Isles Caps clincher with my Dad when Hunter blindsided Turgeon. Really put a damper on the win

  21. Rich in NJ April 13th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    I think MLB cares more about convincing the public (and maybe Congress) that they are doing something about PEDs than they do about actually punishing offenders (because they realize they probably can’t), and their weapon of choice is leaks.

  22. jmills April 13th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Blake, I’ll take your word on it :D

    See you later people, I’ve been putting this tax thing off far too long this morning; I’m going to reward myself after with a new dimmer switch for the that turn of the century fixture.

  23. Shame Spencer April 13th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    blake April 13th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    In just saw it on TV….it’s literally 2 feet away from the original spot….ridiculous

    —————-

    Just saw the replay on ESPN as well.. I want them to show it side by side lol. Is golf into graphics and drawing on the screen? Let’s see it side by side, it looks even close than 2 feet to me but you could tell more easily if they did a straight comparison.

  24. jmills April 13th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    One more thing, Hunter should have been kicked out forever for that Turgeon hit.

  25. Shame Spencer April 13th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Rich in NJ April 13th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    I think MLB cares more about convincing the public (and maybe Congress) that they are doing something about PEDs than they do about actually punishing offenders (because they realize they probably can’t), and their weapon of choice is leaks.

    —————–

    I’ve heard some people mention Congress.. I’m not sure what motivation MLB would have to showboat for them. They haven’t really had a voice in this for a while. This whole thing just stinks of desperation on their part. You don’t solve investigations this way.. you don’t let people know what your plan is publicly. Not if you have evidence. *sigh* I cannot tell you how much I hate MLB for making me defend Arod on the regular.

    Kobe’s Facebook rant is AMAAAAAAZE.

  26. 86w183 April 13th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    MLB is acting an ASS in this Biogenesis case. Suing a company for providing banned substances to its players? That’s preposterous. Every company on earth is now responsible for checking to see if its customers are abiding by every term of every contract they’ve ever signed?????

    As for the Tiger thing, golf is soooo tied into the dark ages. Even if they decide that the drop wasn’t “as close as possible” just add a stroke to his score and move on. There was no deception, no intent to cheat, yet the only action is disqualification.

    In sports as in life, the punishment should fit the crime.

  27. Shame Spencer April 13th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    blake – Sj’s arguments on Twitter make no sense re: Tiger DQing himself lol. What player.. ever.. would DQ themselves?!

  28. Against All Odds April 13th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Kobe’s Facebook rant is AMAAAAAAZE.

    —————————

    “If you see me in a fight with a bear, prey for the bear”. Ive always loved that quote. Thats “mamba mentality” we don’t quit, we don’t cower, we don’t run. We endure and conquer.
    I know it’s a long post but I’m Facebook Venting LOL

    :D

  29. Rich in NJ April 13th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Shame

    The various sports leagues implemented stricter testing in response to prior hearings, and there is always the potential for new hearings if a bona fide “news” story breaks.

  30. Shame Spencer April 13th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    What social media for if I can’t be REAL?!!!!

  31. Rich in NJ April 13th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Sj’s arguments on Twitter make no sense
    -

    He just ranted here. I never understood the interest.

  32. jacksquat April 13th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Kobe’s Facebook rant is AMAAAAAAZE.

    —————————

    “If you see me in a fight with a bear, prey for the bear”

    Yes, he would be prey for the bear.

  33. Tar April 13th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    If Alex did do PEDS after the Selena Roberts fiasco, well thats just down right dumb.

    But we are talking about players using illegal drugs in order to become better ball players. Not low-life criminals worthy of our scorn. Yet some describe them as “dirtbags” and worse.

    I grew up in the 60′s and 70′s. I don’t know of one person who did not use or at least try illegal drugs for recreational reasons. “Let he who is without sin throw the first stone” is fitting in this instance. For crying out loud they are trying to become better ball players and make more money to take care of their families. But it appears there is a bunch of mother Teresa’s in disguise as baseball fans. As you can tell, the feigned moral supremacy of some is distasteful to me. I’m not throwing the first stone, because if I started there will be a whole mountain of stones to follow.

    Until I read about MLB owning up to their part in this whole mess, I will not judge any player who did use, or tried to cover up their use. MLB “cheated” just as much or more than any ball player.
    They made huge profits off players using steroids. Only when they got nailed on the issue did MLB start acting shocked about the problem and taking the moral high road.

    Just ask yourself how important to MLB was the Mcgwire and Sosa HR chase? Is it even possible that MLB did not suspect? I know what my answers are.

    If in fact if Alex did do as reported and gets away with it, I will laugh myself silly.

  34. Shame Spencer April 13th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Rich – Yeah but I guess I’m just not seeing the connection in this case.. look at the Braun situation. The coverage feels very different. And in that case MLB actually screwed up their own processes.

    I guess on the surface that could be playing a role, but I dunno that proving anything to Congress is really the motivation here.

  35. jacksquat April 13th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Oh no, not the “I gots mouths to feed” argument…

  36. Tar April 13th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    “Oh no, not the “I gots mouths to feed” argument…”

    Tell that to a poor Dominican kid trying to make it to the big leagues. Mr comfortable American on a baseball blog sitting at your nice computer.

  37. 86w183 April 13th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Tar —

    With you all the way on this issue. Everyone associated with MLB was complicit in the steroid era. They happily reaped in the $$$ that came in at least in part due to the power explosion.

    A pox on their houses, none more so than Interim Commissioner For Life, Bud “Baby Doc” Selig.

  38. austinmac April 13th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Tar,

    If I was a AAA player and thought PEDs could be the difference between success and working at the gas station, let’s just say they old be very tempting. I too grew up in the 60s and 70s and poor choices were made without the incentive of money and success.

  39. blake April 13th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Golf can lack any commons sense and border on silly sometimes

  40. Rich in NJ April 13th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Shame

    I put Congress in parentheses. Like the public at large, they don’t really care about PEDs until a big story breaks. The Biogenesis story has/had that potential. So by going after the poster boy for baseball sin, they are innoculating themselves against a wider scandal.

  41. blake April 13th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Tiger should say…. Ok guys I’m out….and won’t be back for 2 years…..good luck with the ratings

  42. blake April 13th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Tiger given a 2 stroke penalty

  43. Tar April 13th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    86 and Mac. Thanks its nice knowing i’m not alone on this issue.

    I have no problem being in the minority on any issue ( especially with good company) I’m kind of use to it. :wink:

    Have a good day everybody

  44. GregD April 13th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    You really can’t draw solid conclusions after 9 games but I’m pleasantly surprised by the Yanks start……and like what I’m hearing about Tex…….what a boost it would be to have him back. I am worried that Jeter won’t be able to play defense much all year and right handed DH won’t get him very many ABs

  45. Against All Odds April 13th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    jacksquat April 13th, 2013 at 9:22 am
    Kobe’s Facebook rant is AMAAAAAAZE.

    —————————

    “If you see me in a fight with a bear, prey for the bear”

    Yes, he would be prey for the bear.

    —————–

    Well at least we know he wrote it himself based on the grammatical errors. :)

  46. Against All Odds April 13th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    . Yet some describe them as “dirtbags” and worse.

    ———————–

    Yrs from now when PEDs have less side effects and are more acceptable in society we’ll all look back at this and laugh.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock April 13th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Tar April 13th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    If Alex did do PEDS after the Selena Roberts fiasco, well thats just down right dumb.

    But we are talking about players using illegal drugs in order to become better ball players. Not low-life criminals worthy of our scorn. Yet some describe them as “dirtbags” and worse.

    I grew up in the 60?s and 70?s. I don’t know of one person who did not use or at least try illegal drugs for recreational reasons. “Let he who is without sin throw the first stone” is fitting in this instance. For crying out loud they are trying to become better ball players and make more money to take care of their families. But it appears there is a bunch of mother Teresa’s in disguise as baseball fans. As you can tell, the feigned moral supremacy of some is distasteful to me. I’m not throwing the first stone, because if I started there will be a whole mountain of stones to follow.

    Until I read about MLB owning up to their part in this whole mess, I will not judge any player who did use, or tried to cover up their use. MLB “cheated” just as much or more than any ball player.
    They made huge profits off players using steroids. Only when they got nailed on the issue did MLB start acting shocked about the problem and taking the moral high road.

    Just ask yourself how important to MLB was the Mcgwire and Sosa HR chase? Is it even possible that MLB did not suspect? I know what my answers are.

    If in fact if Alex did do as reported and gets away with it, I will laugh myself silly.
    ////

    I am on my feet, sir, applauding your post :D

    BraV-ISI-Mo!!!

  48. Bronx Jeers April 13th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Arod made the most money. Thats probably his biggest sin.

    But he did lie about it in the grandest of fashions. He didn’t have to go on 60 Minutes and tell the world he was clean. I think they have the goods on him and theyre going to wait to drop the bomb because suspending hin now wont affect his playing time.

  49. Rich in NJ April 13th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    There could be something about A-Rod’s personality that rubs some people the wrong way, but that does excuse the over the top vilification.

    Who lied more than Sosa, pretending not to be able to speak English, or Palmeiro pointing his finger. We are still waiting for Ortiz to find out if Ortiz did PEDs.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock April 13th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Until I read about MLB owning up to their part in this whole mess, I will not judge any player who did use, or tried to cover up their use. MLB “cheated” just as much or more than any ball player.
    They made huge profits off players using steroids. Only when they got nailed on the issue did MLB start acting shocked about the problem and taking the moral high road.
    ///

    Bears repeating.

    Awesome!

    :D

    Off to my mother-in-law’s 90th birthday party.

    Good one!

  51. RadioKev April 13th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Rich in NJ April 13th, 2013 at 10:19 am
    There could be something about A-Rod’s personality that rubs some people the wrong way, but that does excuse the over the top vilification.

    Who lied more than Sosa, pretending not to be able to speak English, or Palmeiro pointing his finger. We are still waiting for Ortiz to find out if Ortiz did PEDs.
    ———-

    The new report is possibly criminal if true…

    I don’t think there’s an over the top vilification of A-Rod. People here even in Boston don’t think he’s evil, they just think he’s a scumbag. Maybe over the top, but not that out of line with some of his actions either.

    We’ll see how it plays out, but honestly, the “he’s just as bad as everyone else” line is kind of weak. It doesn’t vindicate him. It doesn’t make him any better.

  52. Barry April 13th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Are we talking cheating again? Are MLB players the moral equivalent of Jean Valjean? And, Michael Vick went to prison. Character issues count…in all walks of life.

    During the Second World War not all Germans were Nazi’s…but still were complicit. Is that the analogy between management, MLB and steroids. Could be but whether so or not the message in life is don’t cheat and steal. The reasoning on this board is shallow at best.

  53. RadioKev April 13th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    During the Second World War not all Germans were Nazi’s…but still were complicit. Is that the analogy between management, MLB and steroids.
    ———

    Well that’s offensive. Not all Germans were complicit.

  54. 86w183 April 13th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    That Nazi analogy is really out there.

    A German who opposed them would find him/herself dead. I don’t think Sammy and Mark would have beaten up Selig had he taken a public stance back in the day when McGuire was caught with Andro.

    The Steroid Era is just one of many tainted “ERA”s in MLB history. We have live ball and dead ball ERAS, we had the All-White ERA, the expansion ERA, the half century long Amphetamine ERA and more.

    I have more respect for guys who took PEDs than those who participated in (and controlled) the game prior to 1947.

  55. ron April 13th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Steroids in baseball became the culture,and when tougher testing came,the players shifted to hgh.
    When tougher testing comes for hgh,the players will shift again,wether it is coffee,aspirin,weight gain stuff,weight loss stuff,or something else,even if it is something mild.
    It is about getting an edge on your competition,so players will find something else,or maybe nothing at all.
    Maybe just weight training,and cardio exersise is enough.
    There has always been something to give an athlete an advantage,so it would be foolish to think there won’t be something to replace steroids,and hgh.It just might not be as powerfull.

    It is very hard to change a culture.It takes time,education,and monitoring/testing.
    There one day might be a ped that leaves your system in hours,or a drug that erases any traces of steroids.
    Can you imagine that???

  56. Bronx Jeers April 13th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Arod should have played it like Sosa, Palmiero and Ortiz. But his monster ego wouldn’t let him. I can’t blame the league for his problems now. He didn’t even need PEDs.

  57. Barry April 13th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    If you read my post correctly…I do not think all Germans were complicity. But, I also do not think MLB knowingly encouraged illegal and destructive behavior. There seems, on this board and others, a fear of authority and an embrace of cheating.

    AS for pre-1947 baseball. This has to do with our society at large. Full of prejudice, not only against black people, but Jews and Catholics. The quiet agreement in some communities to not rent or sell homes to those people and with even the most cursory examination of political history it becomes clear that when President Kennedy ran his ethnicity was a moderately big deal. MLB executives not to blame for any of this. To think otherwise is purely uninformed judgment.

  58. Madrugador April 13th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Not all Germans were complicit, just the vast majority.

  59. RadioKev April 13th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Barry April 13th, 2013 at 10:58 am
    If you read my post correctly…I do not think all Germans were complicity. But, I also do not think MLB knowingly encouraged illegal and destructive behavior. There seems, on this board and others, a fear of authority and an embrace of cheating.
    ———-

    I read your post correctly. You said not all Germans were Nazis, but still complicit. All Germans were not complicit.

    But whatever. It’s a pretty A) Over-used, tired, and offensive analogy to constantly compare things to World War II/The Holocaust and B) Whack.

  60. comnsnse April 13th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Barry, agree with your comments except the “Kennedy ethnicity” one.

    His Roman Catholic religious affiliation was the issue.

    Discrimination remains an issue in America including disparity of wealth!

    Finally as to the Germans, there were many good Germans who openly opposed the Nazi regime. Unfortunately they were systematically “disposed” of ,Christian Democrats as one example who were cowed by fear and reprisals against family to toe the line.

    No one who has not experienced this level of fear and intimidation can ever render an authoritative opinion.

  61. G. Love April 13th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Am I the only one who at this point could care less about the PED’s at this point but is done with Arod for trying to pick up girls in the stands from the dugout during a playoff game? And I understand players pick up women all the time, but in the context of what was going on at the moment it was disgraceful to me.

    If Jeter ever did that or was caught doing that, I’d rake him across the coals for it. I don’t care what they do with women or men off the field. But doing that during the game suggests to me he’s a very immature insecure man who can’t help himself and I don’t really feel strongly about ever seeing him play again.

  62. jacksquat April 13th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Tar April 13th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    “Oh no, not the “I gots mouths to feed” argument…”

    Tell that to a poor Dominican kid trying to make it to the big leagues. Mr comfortable American on a baseball blog sitting at your nice computer.

    Spare me the melodrama, Arod (and we’re talking about Arod) was probably a Hall of Famer with zero steroid use. He absolutely did not need to use steroids to make a living, or even tons of money.

  63. Barry April 13th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    comnsnse:

    Sure…More or less what I meant about Kennedy. But, there was anti-Irish feeling about. My principal point is to simply not celebrate cheating. That it happens, in all walks of life, is one thing. To honor this behavior, or to defend it, is surely reprehensible. And, I agree also about the German population. But, these things do not grow in a vacuum. Always bear in mind, the Nazi’s were elected. Sort of.

  64. jacksquat April 13th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    The vast majority of Germans were not Nazi’s, they were normal people who had no interest in exterminating Jews.

  65. Tar April 13th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Tar April 13th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    “Oh no, not the “I gots mouths to feed” argument…”

    Tell that to a poor Dominican kid trying to make it to the big leagues. Mr comfortable American on a baseball blog sitting at your nice computer.”

    Spare me the melodrama, Arod (and we’re talking about Arod) was probably a Hall of Famer with zero steroid use. He absolutely did not need to use steroids to make a living, or even tons of money.


    Funny, especially since I was responding to your “oh no” melodramatic simplification of the money issue as it relates to PEDS.

    And you maybe “only” talking about Alex, I was discussing the issue as a whole. Try again JS.

    Back to yard work.

  66. 86w183 April 13th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Barry —-

    Are you suggesting MLB ownership and leadership should be held blameless for excluding Blacks and almost all Hispanics (really light skinned ones got in) for the first half of the 20th century?

    If so I could not possibly disagree more. Just because segregation was the societal norm doesn’t make it right and it damn sure doesn’t excuse those who perpetuated it.

  67. RMS April 13th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Am I the only one who at this point could care less about the PED’s at this point but is done with Arod for trying to pick up girls in the stands from the dugout during a playoff game? And I understand players pick up women all the time, but in the context of what was going on at the moment it was disgraceful to me.

    If Jeter ever did that or was caught doing that, I’d rake him across the coals for it.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    Always depend on Arod to say or do the wrong thing.

    As far as Jeter, he is the opposite of Arod.

  68. jacksquat April 13th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    If we’re not talking about Alex, who is the poor dominican born kid with not quite enough skill to make it to the majors without using steroids that we are talking about?

    Anyway, Alex cheated. Do I call him a scumbag? No. But he did cheat, and like Bonds, what’s sad is it wasn’t even necessary by any stretch of the imagination.

    If a poor guy cheats so he can just make it to big leagues, I understand why he did it, and I might even do the same. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s cheating and wrong.

    Seems some of you will make any excuse for players you’ve predetermined that you like.

  69. Madrugador April 13th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I think that a blog about the New York Yankees who are neither German nor Nazi has any place for a discussion about the Holocaust.

  70. Barry April 13th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    86w183

    I believe you to be correct. But in the context of the times, pre-second world war, parochial and exclusionary practices were at work in society as a whole. MLB, through Rickey, Reese, and others, helped break down professional and social barriers.

  71. blake April 13th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    “Am I the only one who at this point could care less about the PED’s at this point but is done with Arod for trying to pick up girls in the stands from the dugout during a playoff game? And I understand players pick up women all the time, but in the context of what was going on at the moment it was disgraceful to me.”

    That’s why i think they are going to try to trade him when he gets healthy

  72. Barry April 13th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Madrugador.

    Right.

  73. 86w183 April 13th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    The Yankees’ greatest hope is that Alex suffers a career ending injury during his re-hab… they cash in as much insurance as they can and move on.

  74. Barry April 13th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Not anyone’s greatest hope should be for injury. A truly destructive, ungracious, thought.

  75. Madrugador April 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    I also don’t wish anyone ill health but a career ending event and insurance collection would be best for the team in this situation.
    Maybe Arod’s steroid affected hips could fail? That would seem somehow just deserved.

  76. jacksquat April 13th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Arod’s hip condition is genetic. It may have been exacerbated by increased strength due to steroids, but it seems he likely would have had problems with them anyway.

    His hip that was operated on previously seems to be fine, so his second hip may be fine as well now.

    And I think it might be difficult to trade him, because of the contract, his age, his injury history, and his “baggage”.

  77. austinmac April 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    I believe a trade of ARODwould never happen. Injuries and PED issues hanging over him make him as desired as the plague.

  78. 86w183 April 13th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Barry —-

    I don’t disagree with your characterization of my comment. But that doesn’t make it untrue.

    I could have come up with an eve more significant setback, but the point is valid. the Yanks don’t want him back and don’t want to pay him and if something occurs to make that happen there will be champagne flowing in the front office.

    More realistically IF he is proven to have been involved and interfered in the Bio-Genesis Company case he could be subject to an extensive suspension from the Commissioner.

    Personally I hope he is cleared and have 4 1/2 great years ahead of him.

  79. UnKnown April 13th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Sj’s arguments on Twitter make no sense
    -
    He just ranted here. I never understood the interest.
    ——–
    I really used to like SJ’s input. I think he is very knowledgeable, but as of late he just comes across like he thinks he is the smartest guy in the sports industry. I’m over it.

  80. Bad Scooter April 13th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    “Benny Blanco April 13th, 2013 at 8:25 am
    Blake, I’m with you regarding Alex. SJ44, made some great tweets regarding Alex—-how the media just hates this guy and they’re just hoping to smoke him out with all the negative press.”

    Hey, what’s SJ44′s Twitter name?

  81. bigdan22 April 13th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    If you join a game you have to play by the rules. Quite frankly, I’m not sure taking PEDs in the 90s were really against the rules. Sure it was considered “illegal,” but there was no enforcement policy and no testing and it could even be argued that MLB was complicit in the players’ use of PEDs. But that all changed after the Mitchell report and the introduction of testing. Players who used subsequent to Mitchell and tried to circumvent testing were, in my mind, cheating. If Arod was one of them, then MLB has every right to use whatever resources it may have to go after him or anyone else. The fact that some consider this “selective enforcement,” well then welcome to the world of law enforcement.

  82. tucker April 13th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Count me among the folks who are done with ARod, too. I really don’t want to see him back in pinstripes.

    The steroid use, the alleged coverup, the girlfriend pickups during the playoffs and the deceitful contract. Morality aside, some of these things were tolerable when ARod was a productive player. He no longer is. His stats have declined every year since he signed that contract. And when he signed he knew his performance had been propped up by steroid use. The honorable thing would be to forfeit the rest of his contract. But nobody has ever mistaken ARod as an honorable person.

  83. Bronx Jeers April 13th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Maybe Arod’s steroid affected hips could fail?

    —————————————————————————

    I thought they already did.

  84. jmv April 13th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Hello, guys

    I spent all my morning watching Mo’s videos and my eyes are swollen, LOL. If he doesn’t get 100 % in the first ballot, the name of the offenders should be made public and thrown into A-Rodland treatment

    I just can’t understand how MLB did turn its head during PED’s era (obviously to “rescue the industry”, HR chase comes to mind, as Tar said) and now they pretend to act as a judge of ethical behavior in baseball. Why isn’t the full list released? Why are equal “offenders” treated differently? I don’t approve cheating, but neither approve selective application of the rules. On the other side, if you are warned and cheat again, then you are really dumb.

  85. Barry April 13th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    86w183

    Okay. I’ve no problem with your thinking. Sadly, I agree.

  86. Ghostwriter April 13th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Tar April 13th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    If Alex did do PEDS after the Selena Roberts fiasco, well thats just down right dumb.

    —————–

    No doubt. It truly would be incomprehensible. Unless these substances have some sort of addictive properties, I can’t understand why he would go back to using it again. What’s to be gained from it?

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