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“This is what’s going to happen”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 14, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A little more than a week ago, when Eduardo Nunez was hit by a pitch in Detroit, Joe Girardi said his backup plan involved putting Francisco Cervelli at second base and Robinson Cano at short.

Last night, with Nunez again sidelined, Girardi put that plan into action.

Here are the guys involved, talking about last night’s ninth-inning infield. They never got a ground ball, but with Nunez expected to sit until Tuesday, they just might get another chance tonight.

Girardi: “I wasn’t making it up before. I knew exactly what I was going to do if we got in that situation. I went and talked to Boeschy before the inning started and said, ‘If we get in a situation in that position, and Nix comes up, and we’ve got a chance to win the game, I’m going to pinch-hit you.’ I called down, said, ‘Stew get ready. This is what’s going to happen,’ so no (there was no hesitation). … I know what we have. I’ve seen Cervy take enough ground balls in the days that I’ve seen him that he’s actually pretty smooth. If you ever watch him do it, he’s pretty smooth at it.”

Cervelli: “I think it’s weird to see myself at second. Cano, I think he can play every position in the infield. You know how it is. He makes everything look easy. … It’s OK. I love to catch, but the situation, I’m going to do what the manager says. I (use) my chest if I need it to block a ball or catch a ground ball.”

Cano: “Weird. First time that I played there since 2002, but I know that was the situation that I’m the only guy there. Whatever it takes to help the team, I will do. … I was ready because at least I take ground balls there with Nuney and Jeter (in spring training). We always joke around to see who’s going to make more errors. If they hit me a ground ball, I was ready.”

Associated Press photo of Cano warming up at short

 
 

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176 Responses to ““This is what’s going to happen””

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 14th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    jmills, teams seem to find a way to close ranks and become a strong unit when one of their key players go down – sometimes even stronger! I definitely expect your Jays to do the same thing. And I hope Reyes comes back soon – and healthy.

    :)

    ************

    Doreen – well we know one thing for sure. Losses are going to happen in the course of a season! When they come on the heels of some strong games, and you see strong pitching and some consistent hitting otherwise, the loss doesn’t feel as bad. We’ve also been seeing the team refuse to roll over so I think at this point we’re pretty hopeful.

    I think also at work is the thought that Phil just isn’t at full health or full strength, so there are posters believing that he will get stronger as the season goes on.

    Best of all IMO was that Girardi showed he’s willing to have a quicker hook than perhaps in the past and didn’t let the game get out of reach. And we sure have some good back-up in the pen.

    So far so good!

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 14th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    I’m impressed at Joe’s creativity. And it’s great to know he has a plan to which he is committed.

    “This is what’s going to happen,’ so no (there was no hesitation). … I know what we have.”

    Not a bad binder to play to.

    Later y’all.

  3. blake April 14th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Again joe if you could just get Cano into 4 more games at SS he’d have SS eligibility in my fantasy league and that’d really help me out….thank you

  4. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Have no problem with Joe having to make emergency switches. It was the right move to pinch hit for Nix.

    Now Boesch swinging through two 86mph FB right down broadway, well thats another issue. Not feeling it for Boesch, hope I’m wrong because I think we control him for a couple of years.

  5. jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    theREALkevin April 13th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
    Were any balls hit to Cano or Cervelli in the 9th?

    Hughes himself said he felt healthy and strong, and usually feels more fresh when he gets extra rest. People don’t need to make half a game thread of excuses for him when he himself does not. He said it bluntly, he didn’t have command. Try again next start. No need to over analyze to seem intellectual, some things are not complicated.

  6. comnsnse April 14th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Jacksquat, ther may be no need to analyze Hughes start but there certainly is a need to do so at this stage of his career.

    He has been inconsistent his entire career, has average major league stuff and needs impeccable control to win and be consistent as a starter.

    It has also been rumored that he would like to play on the west coast and being a FA after this year the organization must make a decision.

    My own bet is if he continues to falter and shows no interest in signing during the season, he’s gone either in a trade or they qualify him and take the draft choice.

  7. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    “People don’t need to make half a game thread of excuses for him when he himself does not. He said it bluntly, he didn’t have command. ”

    You enjoy trolling don’t you? Excuses, whatever.

    The Yankees opened themselves up to being questioned when they cut Phil’s Spring training short, and in a panic move brought him up to start in Detroit. Phelps was a capable replacement ready to go.

    Would Phil’s command have been better if he had some time to work on things in AAA, we will never know. But it is a legitimate question that the Yankees opened themselves up to.

  8. 86w183 April 14th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    If Hughes has a bad year then there’s no way you qualify him and guarantee him $ 13.5 M for 2014. If he wins 12-15 games with an ERA 4.50 or better then you might.

    He was WAY above average stuff, but below average command. He and Nova should have been banned from anything but fastballs for all of March. The least appreciated and most important part of pitching is fastball command. It’s why Pettitte and CC are so effective even though Nova and Hughes throw significantly harder.

  9. Doreen April 14th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    When did Phil Hughes ever say he wanted to play on the west coast? There have been fans who say maybe he is better suited to those parks; there have been fans saying maybe he would prefer the opportunity to play closer to home, but I have never seen anything anywhere that Phil Hughes himself has hinted he’d rather play on the west coast.

    Jacksquat – in spite of what Hughes said, I think it was fair to conjecture that he may not have been 100% healthwise yesterday. And no ballplayer worth his salt is going to sit after a poor game and blame anything other than just not executing. So, good for Phil. He obviously didn’t have it, whatever the reason, or lack thereof. :)

    Trisha – yup. Losses are gonna happen. I hope one doesn’t happen tonight. ;)

  10. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I saw some talk yesterday about how the org shouldn’t have steamrolled Hughes/Nova to make room for Phelps… just to be clear, no one suggested they do so. I personally just felt like they had Phelps stretched out and (perhaps more importantly) in a solid routine already and going to Hughes in game 5 or whatever it was seemed panicky. This just isn’t a great way to give your guys the tools to succeed. You want to put them in situations where they can build confidence.

  11. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    86w183 April 14th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    If Hughes has a bad year then there’s no way you qualify him and guarantee him $ 13.5 M for 2014.

    —————-

    Depends on how bad the year is… losing Hughes for absolutely nothing might hurt more than tenuring the offer and holding your breath.

  12. Doreen April 14th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Every single thing that doesn’t work out doesn’t always have to be blamed on “The Yankees.”

    These guys are adults and can take some of the responsibility for their own performances, can’t they?

  13. pkyankfan69 April 14th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Hughes has way above average stuff?

    Sorry, I’m not seeing that at all… Guys with way above average stuff can get away with poor location on occasion because their stuff is overpowering. Hughes has to hit his spots in the zone with the up most precision or they end up in the seats.

    Hughes is what he is, an average to slightly above average ML starter who struggles with being consistent. NYS is an awful place for him to pitch, I highly doubt we resign him after this year… Hughes will pitch for an NL West team next year, perfect spot for him.

  14. Doreen April 14th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Shame –

    My take is, in Detroit, it was more about being shorthanded (they felt) in the bullpen than not wanting Phelps to start.

    I think they Yankees take way way too much criticism here, and we make way too many assumptions about their decision making.

    With Andy being unable to pitch yesterday, who was a more logical choice than Hughes, if Hughes told them he is feeling well and able?

  15. jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Tar April 14th, 2013 at 9:42 am
    “People don’t need to make half a game thread of excuses for him when he himself does not. He said it bluntly, he didn’t have command. ”

    You enjoy trolling don’t you? Excuses, whatever.

    The Yankees opened themselves up to being questioned when they cut Phil’s Spring training short, and in a panic move brought him up to start in Detroit. Phelps was a capable replacement ready to go.

    Would Phil’s command have been better if he had some time to work on things in AAA, we will never know. But it is a legitimate question that the Yankees opened themselves up to.

    Is voicing your opinion trolling as well?

    Phil had command in spring training, he did pitch. He had better command in his first start back, when it should have probably been worse if he wasn’t ready. He just had a bad game. What disappoints me is this is the same problem as previous years. But don’t worry he’ll have a long rope.

  16. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Doreen – Regarding yesterday, there’s really no debate. You brought Hughes up, so you need to get him in there. The problem is, unlike Nova or Phelps, you can’t just send Hughes down to work on things. His time rehabbing was supposed to be the time for him to sharpen up his stuff. Regarding the Tigers series: Warren had 3 days rest, Phelps was consistently pitching at least 5 solid innings in his ST starts, Robertson and Joba were also rested along with Mo. It was a short sighted decision, that’s why there’s criticism and I don’t feel like that is unfair to the org at all given how things worked out (especially since these exact criticisms preceded those results).

  17. mick April 14th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    It is early on, they are trying things. It’s fine to question every move and I’m sure fans all over do it, it’s not Yankee specific. And it’s not that fans here question the FO more than others, although they might. It’s that we are used to success so every little thing gets magnified.

    Of course , there is a faction, who just has to get everything right, so they can come back and say I told you so ;)

  18. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Again, it’s about putting your guys in a position to succeed. Do people feel they put Hughes in that position when they had him fly out to Det last might to start? If so, we agree to disagree.

  19. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    last minute* ugh.

  20. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Ball players don’t make “excuses;” however, the evidence points to other than what Phil said.

    Repost
    yankeefeminista says:
    April 14, 2013 at 9:54 am
    Hi Doreen, I was originally going to Trenton today until Turley got moved to tomorrow b/c of the postponed game in Portland. Probably I’ll also go to the Wednesday “brunch” game depending on which Yanks-DBacks game I attend. Good to see Austin swinging the bat a little better. Heathcott says he isn’t concerned about the stiff neck, but I wonder if it occurred when he slid headfirst into 2nd base at the OD game I attended on Thursday. I’ve been loving Flores’s AB’s. I wonder if they’ll just keep him in CF until Heathcott returns.

    But good day today to go to an MiLB game with the Yanks a night game.

  21. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    The logical choice was Phelps, not Hughes.

  22. blake April 14th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    If Sanchez keeps hitting then get him to Trenton by mid season

  23. mick April 14th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Do people feel they put Hughes in that position when they had him fly out to Det last might to start?
    =================
    Fans don’t know the inner workings of how decisions are made. They are taking everything they see at face value and judging.
    It’s more fun that way :)

  24. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    blake – Sanchez should be there by the end of the year… hopefully they replace Stewie with Romine and My Main Man Murphy (his official name) can get his feet wet in AAA.

  25. 86w183 April 14th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Some thought non-tendering Russell Martin was a mistake, but they are/were wrong.

    You don’t tender a guy unless you are willing to have them back at that price, period. Martin @ $ 13.3 M this year would have been ridiculous. The guys they did tender made sense.

    Phil Hughes of 2010, 2012 you tender. the Hughes of 2011 and what we’ve seen so far this year not a chance. My guess is he ends up having a year like last year…. nothing special, but solid #3-4 starter stuff. Look what Annibel Sanchez and Edwin Jackson got for being slightly better than that.

  26. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    “Phil had command in spring training, he did pitch. He had better command in his first start back, when it should have probably been worse if he wasn’t ready. He just had a bad game. What disappoints me is this is the same problem as previous years. But don’t worry he’ll have a long rope.”

    This is voicing your opinion ( which I respect) with out fishing for a negative response. I welcome opinions different from my own, but if someone responds with snark, they usually get it right back. that leads nowhere. I think you are a smart baseball guy, I would much prefer responding to your opinion, than your snark.

  27. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    mick April 14th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Do people feel they put Hughes in that position when they had him fly out to Det last might to start?
    =================
    Fans don’t know the inner workings of how decisions are made. They are taking everything they see at face value and judging.
    It’s more fun that way :)

    ——————————

    I know, it’s exactly what I’m doing!! ;) Barrels of fun!

  28. Doreen April 14th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Great Q&A with Vernon Wells. He’s really easy to root for and I hope his initial success continues:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....qdrRCNbK/0

  29. blake April 14th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    One of my favorite sports days of the year….Sunday at Augusta…..Yanks play the Sunday night game….sons 2nd birthday party is today (8 lbs of premium pulled pork on the menu) ….and the forecast is for 70 and sunny…..how could it get any better?

  30. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    86 – So if he has the Sanchez like year, do you tenure the offer? I’m really not sure what the best approach to that one is going to be… no easy answers if they aren’t going to be able to retain him long(er) term.

    I was looking at the numbers again yesterday and if they could get Andy and/or Kuroda to agree to one year pacts again they might be able to squeeze it all in… but there’s no way they could risk Hughes accepting a qualifying offer.

  31. mick April 14th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    This might sound crazy but the Yanks aren’t going to put Phelps into a position of unseating HUghes or Nova from THEIR starting jobs. Not just yet.

    Say Phelps goes out and throws a no hitter or a shutout, do you remove one of them asap from the rotation.

    Just the thought of starting Phelps when the others are ready is a jolt to their confidence, esp Nova, who already must feel threatened by Phelps.

    I think Phelps time is coming and soon, this year, but there is no need to rush things.

  32. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Little blake is already 2?! Is that your youngest? Give that kid a golf club, blake. You just need to qualify to make that paper!

  33. blake April 14th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “You don’t tender a guy unless you are willing to have them back at that price, period. Martin @ $ 13.3 M this year would have been ridiculous. The guys they did tender made sense.”

    A 233 million dollar payroll for this team is ridiculous to begin with…..I still would have made him the QO because they couldn’t have had any idea Cervelli woukd play this well and Stewie is awful……it looks like it’s gonna work out fine though and that’s good

  34. blake April 14th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    April 14, 2013 at 10:07 am
    Little blake is already 2?! Is that your youngest? Give that kid a golf club, blake. You just need to qualify to make that paper!

    Yup ….time flys …

  35. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    mick April 14th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    This might sound crazy but the Yanks aren’t going to put Phelps into a position of unseating HUghes or Nova from THEIR starting jobs. Not just yet.

    ————–

    But this wasn’t the situation at all.. Hughes was rehabbing. It was never a question of if he’d get his spot back. Hughes was always going to get his spot back. Letting Phelps start once or twice in his place would only serve to give him more time to get ready, not replace him.

  36. Doreen April 14th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Phelps was logical in Detroit, if they agree with us that Joba and DRob were enough, and they thought Warren was up to it after all he’d pitched in Kuroda’s start.

    Yesterday, though, Hughes is already here, and he’s telling them he’s up to it (I would guess), he’s in the rotation, and this way his layoff wasn’t as prolonged.

    They didn’t know before he started the game how bad he’d be. He did decently (if ineffective) in Detroit, so I would think the feeling would be that Hughes would build on that and do better. It was just a really bad game for him.

    Shame, it’s just that I almost never see here where a player has any part in his performance – a bad one is often (I won’t say always) chalked up to some “thing” the Yankees mis-decided. I’m more inclined to agree that starting Phelps in Detroit was the way to go; less inclined with yesterday.

  37. Doreen April 14th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    blake – sounds like you have a near perfect day ahead of you – Enjoy!

  38. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Blake

    I’ll be over about 2, save some of the Q. :D

    Sounds like a great day,enjoy yourself.

    It’s absolutely beautiful (except for the pollen :mad: ) here.

  39. Doreen April 14th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Yankeefeminista, plans have changed, no game today. :(

    Still going Wednesday though! I have happy with myself for managing to keep that day free in spite of a lot of things coming up. That day was in a vault!!! LOL

  40. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    blake, I think (hope!) Sanchez should be up after ASB if they are happy with his catching. I expected JR to hit after the great AB’s last year (in spite of 2012 numbers; really hitting the ball on the nose in games I saw) and he hasn’t disappointed. I’ve said I think JR can move quickly, so hopefully he can be moved up after ASB to make room for Sanchez if they like where both their D’s are at.

  41. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    “I’m more inclined to agree that starting Phelps in Detroit was the way to go; less inclined with yesterday.”

    Doreen the decision in Detroit had a direct impact on him starting yesterday. They are basically one and the same thing.

  42. Doreen April 14th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Also (and I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong – LOL), in Detroit, the Yankees were not only looking behind at how much guys had pitched, but looking ahead with no off days in near sight. They didn’t want to burn everyone.

    It’s all Kuroda’s fault anyway! ;)

  43. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Phelps for the spot start wouldn’t have disrupted the “hierarchy,” and Hughes sounded pretty sick in the postgame interview. So, they had their build in “excuse” to start Phelps if they needed one.

    blake, enjoy your day!

  44. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    *built in

  45. Doreen April 14th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Tar, I don’t think so. Yesterday was because Andy’s back is spasmed. And Hughes was already here, and in the rotation. Unless Hughes said he wasn’t feeling well, he was going to pitch yesterday since he was already past his regular rotation point.

    Whether we like it or not, Phelps is the long man. I am of the belief that the Yankees will let this play out through 3 more turns or so in the rotation before they decide whether Hughes and/or Nova should be replaced. And it will depend on whether the team is doing well or not, also.

    The Yankees move slowly with stuff like this. They just do.

  46. jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    My snark was in another post, as a result of my intelligence being insulted because I supposedly did not perform any analysis.

    Phil had better command in spring training (he did throw some despite some here making it seem like he didn’t have a spring training at all; he also threw in the minors), and better command in his first start back. So I don’t see being “rushed” back as a reason/excuse for his command last night. Phil has lacked command plenty of times in the past without any of those factors.

    I know Hughes has talent, that just makes it even more frustrating to watch. And when he says he can’t pitch down, but I know he can pitch down, even without a two seamer.

  47. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    “Whether we like it or not, Phelps is the long man. I am of the belief that the Yankees will let this play out through 3 more turns or so in the rotation before they decide whether Hughes and/or Nova should be replaced.”

    They have Warren as the long man. As for the Detroit game if they were that concerned about the pen ( not sure i’m buying that) they could have sent down Kelly who just pitched and brought someone else ( Montgomery ? ) up.

    This would have kept Phelps n the rotation, Hughes with the time he needed, and delayed the decision as to who goes and who stays. Just don’t get it at all.

  48. mick April 14th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    ————–

    But this wasn’t the situation at all.. Hughes was rehabbing. It was never a question of if he’d get his spot back. Hughes was always going to get his spot back. Letting Phelps start once or twice in his place would only serve to give him more time to get ready, not replace him.
    ======================================================
    This is more about Nova than it is about Hughes.
    They are not looking to undermine his confidence anymore than it already is.

  49. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Doreen, agree regarding yesterday because they already called him back. I could see how people would say he shouldn’t have started yesterday but I’m of the mind that if you call the guy up you better get him consistent innings. I just disagree with the initial move. Because once you call him up, you know he’s here for better or worse unless he ends up on the DL. I just felt like he was only just getting his ST starts, let him get comfortable with his stuff before pitching him against a club like DET.

    You just need to hope that it doesn’t weigh on him mentally and he can come back and be better.. but his stuff isn’t top notch yet. And that’s not really about making excuses for him. I’m always trying to trade Hughes lol!! So I’m not one to defend his performances all that easily. I just feel like he was almost set up to fail here.

  50. itsgonnabealongseason April 14th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    It’s funny when people say Hughes has to be pinpoint to be successful, when the same thing applies to Phelps.

    You saw what happened when the team needed him to be good in the playoffs last year, and he could not handle the pressure. If you give him a starting job, he will not succeed. Being the long man is the perfect spot for him. The team is well behind and the pressure is nil. Give him the starting job and maybe he can get through 3-4 innings and then his subpar stuff will catch up to him.

    Nova is the guy who should be better than what he is. But sometimes pitchers just seem to always find the fat part of the bat, and that’s the case with Nova.

  51. blake April 14th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    “I’ll be over about 2, save some of the Q. ”

    Come on over! Would you like ketchup sauce or the real stuff ;)

  52. jmv April 14th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Good morning!

    About yesterday, Hughes was awful, that happens sometimes. If he said he was Ok and he wasn’t, well don’t believe him blindly next time. The problem is if the Yankees are going to do the right thing when the time comes. To me, and I’m sure some of you agree, right now Phelps has shown he deserves to start over Nova and Phil. I can understand giving them some rope, but how long will it be? And there is the balance between not need to rush and an extra game. Right now, we all know Phil is not more than a 4th-5th starter, plagued with inconsistency. And It’s not based on one or two start, but one or two years.

    Blake, congrats to your son! A kids party is very refreshing. Mine had her 5th last December.

    And please, anyone who cares a litlle bit, we are going on presidential elections today, so pray for us down here

  53. blake April 14th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Doreen,
    Lets hope so :) Murpheys law often applies to me however

  54. blake April 14th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    “Blake, congrats to your son! A kids party is very refreshing. Mine had her 5th last December.

    And please, anyone who cares a litlle bit, we are going on presidential elections today, so pray for us down here”

    Will do

  55. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    When was the last time Warren pitched..? While Phelps is in the pen, can they send Warren to get some work?

  56. blake April 14th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    The Braves may go 161-1

  57. jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    They just don’t seem to have enough confidence in Phelps yet. And I am sure they don’t see him having the potential of Hughes or Nova. That explains the moves they make. Eventually though, if Phelps performs well and one of the others don’t, there will be a change.

  58. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Jack, no one cared whether or not you “performed” analysis. However, you entered the discussion dissing everyone who chose to actually address the qualifiers regarding the outing. Seriously, I am not interested in exchanging barbs with you. But if you don’t want to discuss in earnest, and come in and insult a group of posters right off the bat, then, that’s on you.

  59. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Phil had better command in spring training (he did throw some despite some here making it seem like he didn’t have a spring training at all; he also threw in the minors), and better command in his first start back. So I don’t see being “rushed” back as a reason/excuse for his command last night. Phil has lacked command plenty of times in the past without any of those factors.

    I know Hughes has talent, that just makes it even more frustrating to watch. And when he says he can’t pitch down, but I know he can pitch down, even without a two seamer.

    —————–

    I agree with this to some degree.. the thing is, you need to know your players, right? I mean, if this were CC or Andy I wouldn’t have felt like anyone was being rushed into anything. But Hughes has been a guy that’s had struggles before, he’s younger, he’s been inconsistent over the years…. if anyone could use extra time to sharpen their stuff after missing most of ST, it would be him.

  60. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    jmv, praying for you, luis, and your fellow countrymen/women.

  61. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    And please, anyone who cares a litlle bit, we are going on presidential elections today, so pray for us down here

    ————-

    Best of luck!

  62. blake April 14th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I think Girardi has confidence in Phelps….I just think Cashman is hesitant to pull the trigger on putting him in the rotation……they like him in this swing man role where he can spot start, long relieve, or even short relieve…..it’s not really fair to phelps but it is what it is…..when Andy is ready they need to should send Nova down and start Phelps….. But they won’t

  63. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Hughes’ job isn’t in jeopardy unless he continues to have back issues/tanks. Hughes isn’t auditioning for the SP. Nova, on the other hand, is.

  64. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    JS

    Fair enough, lets move on. You have some valid points, Hughes has not exactly been a model of consistency through his career.

    But it goes to reason, that the Yankees thought Phil needed more time in AAA. They only changed that because of circumstance’s in Detroit. Those circumstances had nothing to do with Phil being magically ready.

    Someone like me who is going to question, and yeah put under a microscope , their moves is going to cry foul. It seemed like panic move and not a well thought out plan. I stick to that assumption.

    And that’s not even bringing up the fact that at that point in time I thought Phelps gave us the best chance to win.

  65. jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:28 am
    Jack, no one cared whether or not you “performed” analysis. However, you entered the discussion dissing everyone who chose to actually address the qualifiers regarding the outing. Seriously, I am not interested in exchanging barbs with you. But if you don’t want to discuss in earnest, and come in and insult a group of posters right off the bat, then, that’s on you.

    It is more than addressing qualifiers for one start, which I disagreed with. Hughes seems to get a lot more defending because he came through the Yankee minors, he’s one of ours. And it seems to happen every time he doesn’t pitch well. It’s like he’s babied here, to the point where yes, it just seems like excuses.

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....8;sid=milb

    Gary Sanchez has had issues involving his attitude, but he’s gone a long way toward quieting the buzz he might be too troublesome for even his talent. And he’s made a believer of his manager, Luis Sojo.

    Sojo’s faith in Sanchez was reaffirmed Saturday as the Yankees’ top prospect belted his first two homers of the season in Class A Advanced Tampa’s 9-4 win over the visiting Daytona Cubs.
    “Gary’s a guy with great talent,” said Sojo, the winningest manager in Florida State League history. “He’s a kid who has to focus a little more on the game, the pregame stuff, stuff like that. But there’s no doubt he’s a great talent, and he showed that tonight.

    “I think he’s going to be all right.”

    Sanchez’s power potential is elite and his approach at the plate ever-improving. On Saturday night, he pulled his first homer, a three-run shot, over the left-field fence on a fastball middle-in. The second, a solo shot in the fifth, was an opposite-field jack on a fastball middle-away.
    ///

    I’m not liking the ‘tude references (been going on for a couple years now re Sanchez). Hopefully not deja vu, and they instead try to cull adjustments in his “attitude” rather than just assume it’s set in stone. He had better he our future, not trade bait.

  67. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Just want to touch on something with Hughes from the last thread:

    This is who Phil Hughes is

    Throughout his career we have had the “What’s wrong with Phil Hughes” debate. The “he looked great the other day but this game he was awful” conversation.

    I think we need to accept the fact that this is Phil Hughes is, a tantalizing talent who is capable of going out there and shutting the opposition down and at the same time a pitcher who might not be able to locate anything and will get rocked in his very next start.

    If this sounds familiar it should – it’s the same conversation baseball had for years about AJ Burnett.

  68. jmv April 14th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Thanks for the support!

    Back to baseball, Phelps doing so good as a swing man is working against him right now. And I agree with YF that Hughes job is not in jeopardy, but which is the criteria to call him tanked? He will have some good outings and some really bad. Not an easy decision. On the other hand, even Andy has had tune-up starts at AAA, so I don’t see a problem in doing it with Phil

  69. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    JS, fair enough, but I wouldn’t call it “defending,” but referring to factors that influenced a start to get a more complete picture regarding Hughes’ outing. When you tie those qualifiers, such as no ST, Hughes has had a stomach virus to concepts such as “defending” and “babying,” Hughes you are actually tying yourself as well as the posters you “accuse” to having emotional baggage regarding Hughes. But I think the analysis of the outing on this board was mostly just citing circumstances that people felt influenced that outing. I don’t think people are “making excuses.”

  70. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    As for Phelps – I don’t mind the Yankees using him out of the bullpen if the ultimate plan is to make him a starter. Lots of good pitchers started their careers pitching relief. But if the idea is to use him for his career the way Ramiro Mendoza was used – then that’s a waste of talent.

  71. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    ‘I’m not liking the ‘tude references”

    Morning J Alfred

    No kidding, thats like the kiss of death for Yankee prospects.

  72. jmv April 14th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I’m with Chip on this one:

    “This is who Phil Hughes is”

    Can an old dog learn new tricks? Like pitching down in the zone? That’s to him.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    And…

    “Sanchez’s offensive potential is special. And in nine games this season, he’s hitting .351 with a .385 on-base percentage and .622 slugging percentage. A year ago, he slugged 18 homers while batting .290 across the South Atlantic League and FSL, helping him earn the No. 36 spot on MLB.com’s Top 100 prospects in the offseason.

    But questions remain about whether Sanchez will stick behind the plate. He has the tools, including an above-average arm, and Sojo sees improvement in the 20-year-old. Still, English is troublesome for the native of the Dominican Republic, making communicating with pitchers difficult.

    “No, he struggles,” Sojo said when asked if Sanchez communicates well with English-speaking pitchers. “That’s one thing we keep telling him. He has to learn that. It’s very important to speak English at that position. He’s been making that adjustment.”
    ////

    Sure, he should learn to speak English, but what if the bulk of our starters come from the likes of are Jo-Ram, DePaula, Banuelos, Betances, Pineda, Campos, Camarena when he arrives (yes, some of them speak perfect English, but their of latino origin)??? If it’s down to “communication with the pitchers”? :D

  74. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Tar April 14th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    ‘I’m not liking the ‘tude references”

    Morning J Alfred

    No kidding, thats like the kiss of death for Yankee prospects.

    ——————

    There were also some recent reports that Romine was showing some frustration and it was effecting his work ethic down there…

    Will My Main Man Murphy be the only one of our minor league catchers to escape this label???

  75. G. Love April 14th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    I actually agree with jacksquat here. Hughes is surrounded by excuses by those around him. I don’t think he makes them for himself all that often though. Just Girardi, Cashman and the fans all rally around the guy which is sometimes admirable and sometimes maddening.

    I think he’s a 4th pitcher in the AL and maybe a 3 in the NL. He’ll have days when he looks like a 2, but they are few and far between in my eyes.

    The secondary pitches still aren’t up to par enough to confuse hitters at the plate. It’s really like watching a closer pitch as a starter for me. If he can overpower hitters with his FB and locate it, he dominates. If he can’t? He’s gonna get hit.

    That being said, he’s not worthless. But I’ve seen him enough to form an opinion that he doesn’t belong in conversations as a top of the rotation guy. He’s a back end guy to me who is solid and there’s a role for that.

    The problem most have is the massive hype given to Hughes has never wavered while his results haven’t lived up to it. Because of that, Yankees fans are still trying to defend/justify him as a future ace when we all need to accept he’s a middle of the rotation/back end guy.

  76. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Pruf, Newman seemed to speak glowingly about Sanchez’s progress, D, and leadership. So, fingers crossed on that. Again, also sometimes a cultural difference can result in a misconception about a player. A discussion we have had before here. Did you see the story on JR though, who is clearly a leader on Trenton and was in Tampa, and how his personality is actually kind of reticent. JR kind of had to force himself to become more vocal and take charge more.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Tar April 14th, 2013 at 10:45 am
    ‘I’m not liking the ‘tude references”

    Morning J Alfred

    No kidding, thats like the kiss of death for Yankee prospects.
    ///

    I know! We need to start a pre-emptive “Save Sanchez” campaign. I admit I was asleep at the wheel on Montero. Pro-active! That’s what we must be.

    Love to see a JR-Sanchez duo. I like Romine, but I JR’s bat is much better.

  78. jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I think in Detroit, they felt Hughes could throw 5 innings in the majors just like he could in the minors, and I guess they felt he was a better chance than Phelps at that point. He did pitch alright until apparently tiring at the end. Phelps has tired also around the 4/5th inning. I didn’t really think it was a bad plan to have Hughes start and Phelps caddy.

  79. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    JAP – I’m a little surprised by that… guys like Kuroda don’t speak English, right? I’d think it would just be important to have a good dialogue going when preparing for starts but not so much an issue in game. And for the pre-game work, you can have interpreters helping facilitate that communication.

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    yankeefem, didn’t see the story, but Murphy does not seem retiring at all; must have really remade himself, then. With the resonant pipes he has and the articulateness, he’s going to also be a go-to guy for the media and may have a career in the booth one day.

    I would love to see a Sanchez-JR tandem behind the plate.

  81. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    I also agree Hughes is an inconsistent pitcher… which is why I think it was really foolish to bring him up without having him be sharp. As an org, you need to know your guys. Hughes isn’t CC. You can’t just have him start a couple ST games against minor league batters and expect him to deliver.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Shame,

    My guess is Kuroda speaks good English (we know Ichiro does and that Matsui did). Just probably doesn’t like to speak in his second language when talking to the press – easy for them to skew (intentional or not) what you say. Also, if you have to have your interpreter for interviews, they can’t get your gut response fresh from the field that may get you into trouble. It’s a good strategy :)

  83. jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Hughes is not an old dog, he can learn new tricks! The fact that he has already dismissed the idea of a two seamer is a little disappointing to me. I think he should try it again, at least outside of games to start. Or, a split, but the Yankees seem to discourage that for any player not already throwing one when they come to the team.

  84. jmv April 14th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “I didn’t really think it was a bad plan to have Hughes start and Phelps caddy”

    Actually, js, as bad as the outing was, we lost because we didn’t got the hits at the right time… ” all it takes is a single”, LOL

    Hi, JAP!

    Good news on Sanchez… Did you mention Sojo? Deep breath… WBC comes to mind… Deep breath again…

  85. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    I agree with the fact that Hughes doesn’t make excuses for himself – Girardi, Cashman etc do but then again, I don’t expect them to turn around and say that a kid they projected to be a number one starter is really a back end of the rotation guy because the organization did a bad job helping him develop his secondary pitches or build his arm up to go deep into games.

    In the end, I think Hughes will do very well pitching for the Padres next year.

  86. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    G Love, I think it is more the rocky road that Hughes has travelled because of the injuries. So, he has been a work in progress longer than people would like, plus he had the ace forecast that he didn’t realize. I don’t think it is about excuses as much as trying to get a pitcher who has a pretty darn good FB and whom the Yankees believe in to perform at his best. And again, we are talking about a mid level SP here, so the production for a #4 is pretty decent, although people still treat Hughes as if he is a failure because he isn’t an ace. And like many other pitchers, Hughes has had to tinker with some of the secondary pitches to improve them. Probably was set back by the cutter, which the Yanks advocated for some reason. I think Hughes’ secondary pitches, especially the changeup improved a lot last year, and I do think the movement on his pitches has improved. Rich, posted a link regarding the changed trajectory of Hughes’ pitches, which was a pretty interesting article. Finally, we are spoiled by often having finished products in NY, so we are not good with dealing with pitchers who have bumps in the road. Nova is a case in point, as will be Pineda, if he gets back and is pitching for us. God help him, if he doesn’t succeed right from the start.

  87. jmv April 14th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    “Hughes is not an old dog”

    Please don’t take it literally! I never mess around with age… But he is not getting any younger

  88. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    JAP – That’s weird though, because I’ve seen Girardi bring an interpreter with him when he checks in on Kuroda. That’s why I wasn’t sure his English was that good.

  89. G. Love April 14th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Shame,

    I think Cashman & Girardi posture that Hughes is akin to CC while he has never approached that kind of level as a pitcher here.

    They have a lot to do with it and I often wonder if Hughes gets pushed past his level because Cashman desperately needs to claim a huge victory there.

    He’s a good pitcher but very inconsistent. What I can say about him is he often doesn’t get blown out and will give up enough runs to keep the team in the game. That’s solid, but hardly inspiring. Andy pitching with back pain in Cleveland and holding them to 1 run is inspiring.

  90. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Sanchez is a young guy and young guys – whether you’re paying them or not – need time to learn how to be mature and Luis Sojo should be a great mentor for him. That said, if Sanchez does have a chronic attitude problem it wouldn’t shock me to see them trade him like they did Jose Tabata – I just hope the return would be better.

  91. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    “I didn’t really think it was a bad plan to have Hughes start and Phelps caddy.”

    In a vacuum I would agree. But taking everything into account, I didn’t like it all.

    Anyway I think this topic has been dissected every which way possible. Time for a new debate. :D

  92. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    In the end, I think Hughes will do very well pitching for the Padres next year.

    ——————-

    The question at this point is will we even get a draft pick lol.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Flyball RHP are not the best match for Yankee Stadium. Although Hughes isn’t a classic “power pitcher”, a reeeeeallly bad strategy for building a winning Yankee team is to assemble hard-throwing RHP at the expense of good bats who frustrate splits and think it’s some great shutdown formula, especially if your righties aren’t inducing groundballs. I loved that about Nova and his sinker when he was right, and when Hughes pitches downhill, he can achieve that. If Betances can get himself right, he’s just Ks and groundballs all day. But you’re always an up pitch from losing an edge you may have built for six innings or so in Yankee STadium.

  94. G. Love April 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    yanksfem,

    I agree with everything you said. I think part of the issue with Hughes, at least as I see it, is perception vs. reality.

    The reality isn’t horrible. He can win 12-15 games in the AL East. That’s pretty good.

    But it’s not what we all mentally signed up for while he was no hitting Texas as a rookie before he pulled the hammy.

    Expectations for him have always been high and always will be here.

  95. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Pruf, I will find the JR link. I would love to see that tandem–JR and Sanchez too, but I doubt we do. I love watching both of them hit. But they will likely rather have a fringy hitting pitch framer like Stewie as BUC, and will probably use one of the two first string catchers as trade bait.

    Chip when recently have the Yankees categorized Hughes as a frontline starter or pretended to? Chip, I think that is your own disillusionment with Hughes not becoming an ace speaking.

  96. RMS April 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    At one time I thought Hughes could be a #2, but I was wrong. He is a flyball pitcher and that will not change. He will be gone after this year and hopefully to a pitchers park.

    So our big 3 of Kennedy, Hughes, Joba- all gone.

  97. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    G. Love,

    We all mock the Mets for “Generation K” (Isringhausen, Pulsipher, Wilson) but Cashman’s development team (Nardi Contreras) has managed to bungle Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Brackman, Betances and probably Banuelos too.

    Hopefully the hiring of Gil Patterson reverses this trend, Banuelos can be salvaged and Campos, Ramirez, Turley, DePaula and Pineda bring the goods.

  98. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    “That said, if Sanchez does have a chronic attitude problem it wouldn’t shock me to see them trade him like they did Jose Tabata – I just hope the return would be better.”

    IPK and Montero probably fall into this “makeup” category as well.

  99. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    No one is C. C who is a wily professional who knows how to survive with essentially no pitches working. And few have C’s changeup to go to.

  100. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Yankeefem -

    They haven’t said it recently. I was referring to the pomp and circumstance that surrounded Hughes as a prospect; the fact that they were afraid of letting him come up when Joe Torre was manager for fear that Torre would over use him (and Joba)

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Shame, I’m merely speculating that his English is good enough to communicate. HE spent four years in LA. They might use an interpreter anyway just to make sure they’re on the same page, or maybe it’s for show ;)

  102. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Tar -

    Probably right.

    Though interestingly they kept around one of the biggest knuckleheads of all (Joba)

  103. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    G.Love – If that’s the case it’s a bad practice because it doesn’t help the team or Hughes.

    When it came to that DET start, I felt like Hughes had the same chance of delivering a clunker as Phelps did (Phelps having the advantage of having a full ST). They called Hughes back like he was a game changer…

    When was the last time Warren pitched??

  104. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Tar -

    You can also throw Melky into that category. Part of the reason the Yankees let him go was that there were some in the org who thought he was a bad influence on Cano.

  105. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Shame -

    I think Warren pitched against Cleveland

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am
    Pruf, I will find the JR link. I would love to see that tandem–JR and Sanchez too, but I doubt we do. I love watching both of them hit. But they will likely rather have a fringy hitting pitch framer like Stewie as BUC, and will probably use one of the two first string catchers as trade bait.
    ///

    Very like. Didn’t Cashman say they develop hitting catchers because “other teams want them”? Thanks, I’ll look forward to link if you can locate. Right now, they’re getting very nice offense out of Cervelli, and the kind this team lacked last year.

    Using a catcher with BA/power combo AGAIN as trade bait would be incredibly stupid. You let one go, you must keep the other. Must.

  107. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    JAP – Could be! I’ve never been in the situation so I’m not sure, but I’d think you could teach guys enough ‘code language’ to work things out behind the plate. Thanks for sharing the articles.

  108. jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Kuroda interview in english (partly):

    http://youtu.be/wuAzvX2TmBA

  109. G. Love April 14th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Chip,

    The line of misses by Cashman’s regime in the rotation is mind boggling. Some of these guys came up here and showed lights out stuff at one moment or the other.

    We’re not talking Rasner/Karstens types here. We’re talking guys who legitimately came up to the majors and pitched with top of the rotation stuff for a moment or more.

    If that’s not an indictment of what was going on here the past years, I don’t know what is. At some point you have to realize that there’s a flaw in the development process because it truly seemed like once these guys got on the map the Yankees bungled their ascent.

    I wish I could say I have confidence in Patterson but I don’t know what he can change just yet.

    I’m still looking at a team where Phelps is being shuffled around between the pen & rotation and Nova needs to be sent down to AAA if Girardi is going to manage him with one foot out of the dugout. Nova has to be perfect or his manager will pull him. That kid pitches with tremendous pressure and it’d be best for him to go back down, start every 5 days and come back with a chip on his shoulder and hopefully dominate.

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Again, the Yankees have a very narrow idea of what a Yankee player needs to be. It’s really going to keep them shut out of some high-end talent going forward. Already has.

  111. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Chip

    No kidding, how could I forget Melky.

  112. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    G Love, I know and get this. I had high hopes too; I was one of those people who travelled to follow Hughes’s starts going back to 2006, was there for his debut against Toronto, and when he cleaned up the Rocket’s mess in that 2007 Cleveland playoff game. I was bursting with pride, but we have to deal with the reality that he will not be the projected ace. But few become what is predicted for them in the minors, and the vilifying Hughes narrative that some fans have created based on Hughes’ failure is as bad as the “excuse” narrative. Hughes can still be a very good mid rotation pitcher. I saw some great signs last year, and am happy to see he is no longer afraid to and has improved his changeup. Also the two curveballs and bringing back the slider are all positives. I expect Hughes to continue to improve if he can stay healthy. I liked how his secondary pitches looked in the second half of last year and this year before the setback. I think he will be very good for us this year, once he gets his bearings/arm strength/regular season rhythm. I think when he walks after 2013, he will continue to grow as a pitcher, and be very good elsewhere. A solid #3.

  113. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    I’m not one to get bent out of shape about Hughes being a mid or back end guy as opposed to a #1… but that’s even more incentive, IMO, to try and make sure Hughes has a good year (so you can potentially trade him for value).

    He’s already 0-2 lol, he could have been 0-0!! I know W/L records aren’t the end all, be all.. but having a decent record in the AL East could go a long way towards selling the guy.

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Shame, you bet.

  115. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Shame -

    I think Warren pitched against Cleveland

    ————-

    Thanks Chip. It’ll be interesting to see how they use him in the next couple weeks.

  116. jmv April 14th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    If Girardi is gone after this year, will the Yankees stay with the defense-first catchers policy? Is Cashman as committed as Joe to it?

  117. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I agree that Nova would be best served going down to AAA to work on the new delivery.

  118. G. Love April 14th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Chip,

    I actually skipped school to see Paul Wilson’s 1st start as a Met at Shea. They had built those 3 up so high that I thought I was witnessing history and as a baseball fan I had to be there. He got injured so much I don’t think he even got a chance to show if the hype was real or not warranted.

  119. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    jmv, yes, Cash is solidly behind the new catcher advanced D metrics… and think of all the money that saves, not having to sign a hitting catcher. #austerity plan.

  120. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Just think we could have traded Hughes for Johan. Bet people would be real happy about that right about now. :roll:

  121. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Warren has been Noesi’d, Phelps’d, etc.

  122. G. Love April 14th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    yanksfem,

    I want to get Nova away from Girardi for awhile. I think he’ll need the break mentally. What Girardi did in Detroit in the 5th inning while Nova was battling against the middle of that order and trying to clean up his own mess was so disheartening to me as a fan, I can only imagine how it made Nova feel inside.

    As for Hughes, if fans just scale back a bit to “he keeps us in the game” and step away from the “ace” label, they’ll appreciate him more. Like I said, he doesn’t often go out and crumble on the mound anymore. I really feel like even when we’re down when he leaves, we still have a chance to win the game because he manages it and keeps a lot of his HR’s to solo shots and such.

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Hi, JAP!

    Good news on Sanchez… Did you mention Sojo? Deep breath… WBC comes to mind… Deep breath again…
    ///

    hey jmv!

    Great to see you in here mixing, bro. :) Yeah, deep breath is right. I will have a better idea on the goings on with Sanchez if we could just make sure we get him here in Trenton before he gets dealt away for Matt Garza ;) .

    (Jean Genet said: “To escape horror, bury yourself in it.” )

  124. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    G. Love

    Gil Patterson is a good guy with a strong track record. That said, it boggles my mind that rather than firing Contreras outright, Cashman simply re-assigned him and he’s still working with our pitchers. If Patterson is given the control of pitching development that’s great. If he’s here just to be a different voice parroting the “philosophy” that has gone into the way pitchers are handled for the last decade – then that’s a big problem.

    Apologists will say “but Hughes is here, Joba’s here, Robertson, Nova, Phelps, Warren – all are major league pitchers who were developed.” and that’s a cop out. While technically true, all have been mishandled and, with the exception of Robertson, none have lived up to their potential.

    Someone wrote when Hughes was still in the minors that the way the Yankees were developing him it looked like they wanted to turn him into Jaret Wright. I don’t think you can come up with a bigger indictment.

    And something else. If the Yankees were half as good at developing pitchers as they claim to be, then they wouldn’t have had to trade Jesus Montero for Michael Pineda because they would have a rotation of CC with Hughes, Joba, Nova and Noesi that would have been the envy of a lot of teams.

  125. jmv April 14th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    That’s bad news for Sanchez and Murphy then, YF. And for us. I understand Sanchez has the better glove?

  126. bruceb April 14th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    I know it’s not fair to compare Phil with pitchers like CC or Andy P but I do feel he is too ready to accept that “it’s just not my day” rather than toughing it out. You’d think he might have learned a trick or two from them by now?

  127. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Just think we could have traded Hughes for Johan. Bet people would be real happy about that right about now. :roll:

    ——————

    Definitely glad they held onto Hughes instead of making that deal, but at this point you have to think they’re going to either move him or lose him.

    If you had to decide who to invest $10-15 next year, do you pick a multi-year deal for Hughes or a one year pact for Kuroda/Andy?

    The more I think about that qualifying offer the more agita I get…

  128. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    I think Phil “toughed it out” yesterday with no command of any of his pitches. Also he has to have his fastball command to work off of. He even tried throwing changeups, but couldn’t execute. As for learning a trick or two from C and Andy, they are two of the best who have vaster repertoires than Hugehs and know how to reinvent themselves. Sure, Hughes can learn from them, but I wouldn’t expect him to be able to reproduce what they are able to execute even when their stuff isn’t working. Both Cervy and Girardi said they tried going to other pitches yesterday, but Hughes couldn’t command even his secondary stuff. Not much you can do in that situation except realize it and get Hughes out of there ASAP.

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    G. Love April 14th, 2013 at 11:20 am
    yanksfem,

    I want to get Nova away from Girardi for awhile. I think he’ll need the break mentally. What Girardi did in Detroit in the 5th inning while Nova was battling against the middle of that order and trying to clean up his own mess was so disheartening to me as a fan, I can only imagine how it made Nova feel inside.
    ///

    GLove,

    This the same crap they pull with the kids in the system, and I’m not talking about when they’re clearly done and the pitch count is unwieldy. Talking about technically nearing pitch count, but the ebb and flow says they’ve regained poise, and are in a position to get out of their own trouble.

    Betances and Banuelos went through this numerous times down here, and you could see the frustration from them. (both kids have reps as being utterly cooperative and teachable, btw). Warren, I didn’t see it happen to (that was in Scranton) but he complained about it. Mike Ashmore, one of two guys who cover Trenton, asked Betances about it after such an outing and he admitted he felt he had regained his mojo and would have like a chance to get out of it.

    They’re not letting these guys develop those attributes that C and Pettitte have in spades in reserve. I hope this changes with Gil Patterson at the mil level.

    It was wrong of Girardi (and Rothschild, I imagine) not to at least let Nova get out of that fifth, which he seemed poised to do.

  130. DONNYBROOK April 14th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    $200 Mill payroll, and with the game on the line in the 8th, the Yanks pinch hit Boesch? Absolute mismanagement of funds\personel. Throw in the fact that the Yanks had 2 guys outta position in the 9th, (Cervelli 2B, Cano SS), and you have further proof the Yankee Hierarchy is incompetent.
    Wells continues padding his stats with dingers in situations that A-Rod used to get castigated for doing likewise.
    Liked seeing Gardner lay down a drag-bunt. Hopefully, a sign of things to come.
    Like it or Not, Youkilis is currently the Leader of this team. As he goes, so go the Yankees = W-L.
    Chamberlain continues to tease, doing a Jeckyl and Hyde.
    With the way Hughes looked early on, I thought Showalter was crazy to Sac Bunt early. Could be a sign of the collar tightening on Buck. He’s Now Expected to Win daily.

  131. RMS April 14th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Hughes would be much better off if he had Nova’s toughness.

  132. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    The Yankees take on offense is this: People are going to hit in Yankee stadium, they don’t need great hitters to have a great offense. I think they’re nuts.

  133. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Phil’s problem is not mental toughness – it’s consistency.

    AJ Burnett is a tough S.O.B. but you never know what you’re going to get from one start to the next. Same with Hughes.

  134. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    I love Nova’s makeup, but how do we know Hughes isn’t tough, based on what?

    GLove, I agree that they should have let Nova finish. Kind of like what they do in the minors with them, and it is infuriating when they get pulled, but their stuff is still good enough to get the outs if just given the chance.

    Pruf, I can’t seem to find the JR article. And agree that we have our young pitchers changing things up too often, too many voices directing them. One thing I read about Patterson is that he likes to work with what a pitchers’ inclinations are vs. trying to radically change him, but we shall see.

  135. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    So, to change the subject for a minute, if it turns out Tex can’t come back we all assume the Yankees will go after Morneau. Let’s assume that’s the case. Would the Yankees also try to get Josh Willingham?

    What would it cost in terms of players to get both J-Mo and Willingham?

  136. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Shame, I would sign Hughes to a multi if it was reasonable, but I don’t see that happening, AND add back one of Kuroda/Pettitte. :)

  137. Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Girardi treats Nova the same way Torre treated Vazquez and Weaver.

    First sign of trouble he’s on the top step of the dugout wondering how long it’ll take to get a relief pitcher up.

  138. jmv April 14th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Let’s hope for the best from Patterson. We really need him to succeed. We need a change of mentality.

    Well, I’m going to Mass, lunch and then to vote.

    I’ll try to keep up from the line. Catch you later!

  139. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    jmv, I think Sanchez has decent upside behind the dish. But haven’t seen him play there recently. JR is more advanced defensively right now. Enjoy your day!

  140. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    …and good luck with elections!

  141. DONNYBROOK April 14th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I’ll take Hughes and his admission at having stunk-it-up, over Nova and his delusional appraisals of his pitching performances. Hughes is still basically in Spring Training due to his back injury. Nova has No excuse, and his bravado after another worthless performance , borders on the hilarious.

  142. jmv April 14th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Thx, YF! and to the other supporters, too.

    See you later

  143. Cashmoney April 14th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    In Phil, this has been an observation for a few year, you have a guy with slightly above average, inconsistent command and 6 inning durability. how do you rank him, 3 maybe, but mostly i feel comfortable with him as 4 or 5. I don’t feel confident when he goes up against a hr hitting team. that’s pretty much it.

  144. Cashmoney April 14th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    above average arsenal.

  145. 86w183 April 14th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    I would think Willingham would cost more in prospects because he makes a lot less money and is signed for next year ($ 7 M per) while Morneau makes $ 15 M this year.

    I don’t see why Tex would be done for the year, but if he is they’d probably not do anything major until A-Rod returns and they can move Youkilis to 1B. What they need is a decent RH bat to be the 4th/5th OF and share 1B with Overbay. Willingham could be that guy, but would probably cost Phelps and one of the top OF prospects.

  146. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Nova’s “excuse” (and again, I think that word is an emotionally charged word that lacks any relevance in most cases) is that he has been asked to completely revamp his delivery. He needs time to get comfortable with it. If the Yanks choose to have him pitch in the majors while making adjustments than we’ll have to see if Nova can prosper while doing so.

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock April 14th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Chip April 14th, 2013 at 11:43 am
    Girardi treats Nova the same way Torre treated Vazquez and Weaver.

    First sign of trouble he’s on the top step of the dugout wondering how long it’ll take to get a relief pitcher up.
    ////

    I don’t know why we should be surprised. Girardi has demonstrated a book mentality and doesn’t seem to allow what is actually happening influence how he manages. It’s like he’s incapable of registering a shift that nearly everyone else palpably feels. It so reminds me of the Trenton stuff – they robotically come and get a starter as he nears or reaches pitch count, even when the starter is showing you that he’s suddenly throwing with ease and has gotten a second wind.

    Even more tangibly, when the starter has come back to K a guy or induce a ground ball and appears, to all the ballpark, to be on the verge of being able to put something of great value in his procedural memory that he can draw on in similar situations.

  148. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Shame, I would sign Hughes to a multi if it was reasonable, but I don’t see that happening, AND add back one of Kuroda/Pettitte. :)

    ————–

    Lol, word. Can’t argue with classic Team Greedy logic ;)

  149. Shame Spencer April 14th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Mets game snowed out?? Lol, good times.

  150. Cashmoney April 14th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Harvey is impressive, his command has gotten better. With his stuff he doesn’t have to too fine. all these years clamoring for a future ace, you look across town, There is one in the making. of course, yanks are never in position to draft Harvey that high.

  151. Madrugador April 14th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    You suppose Hal’s plan is to create team that can draft that high?

  152. jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    If both Tex and Arod come back they could give Arod/Tex/Youk days at DH vs lhp to solve the Arod/Tex/Youk/Pronk “overcrowding” at 3B/1B/DH. For example, Arod 3B, Youk DH, Tex 1B or Youk 3B, Arod DH, Tex 1B or Arod 3B, Youk 1B, Tex DH.

    I don’t know what they will do in the OF when Granderson gets back though, you can’t really sit Wells much if he continues to swing like he has.

  153. Ghostwriter April 14th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    jacksquat April 14th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    If both Tex and Arod come back they could give Arod/Tex/Youk days at DH vs lhp to solve the Arod/Tex/Youk/Pronk “overcrowding” at 3B/1B/DH. For example, Arod 3B, Youk DH, Tex 1B or Youk 3B, Arod DH, Tex 1B or Arod 3B, Youk 1B, Tex DH.

    I don’t know what they will do in the OF when Granderson gets back though, you can’t really sit Wells much if he continues to swing like he has.
    —————-

    There likely will be more injuries this year, resolving any potential “overcrowding”. I like the depth that this team has; it should serve them well this year. The ST injury bug that swept Yankeeland this year was a blessing in disguise.

  154. Cashmoney April 14th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    drafting high doesn’t guarantee anything but it does open up team to guys with premium tools. Jeter was a 4 or 5? Anywho, on Hal, no. Hal is trying to reduce payroll in 14 and patchwork for a ‘championship caliber’ team this year and probably next year. This team has too much quality pitching unless massive injuries occur to be a sub 500 team in 13. 14 will be interesting as to whom will be on this team and what addition team can make via FA and whom might be ready in the minor.

  155. Ghostwriter April 14th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    I have to say that Overbay is making life without Tex seem quite bearable. I’m astonished by the production that we seem to be getting out of him. So far, he is completely exceeding my expectations. It likely won’t last, but I appreciate the timeliness of his productivity…

  156. austinmac April 14th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Phil Hughes simply doesn’t possess enough quality pitches to be a high end pitcher. His fastball is good enough at 92-3, but hardly overpowering. His breaking ball looks slurvish to me without much downward plane. He misses way to much with his CU which appears to have some down and away movement.

    This is not the stuff of a once former no. 1 prospect.

  157. austinmac April 14th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Luis,

    Our prayers and wishes go with you today and in the future.

  158. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    “Campos started the game at 87-89 and then settled in at 89-92 for the rest of his three-inning outing, getting a little arm-side run on the pitch but showing below-average command. He showed a slurvy breaking ball at 76-80 with variable shape, also a below-average pitch primarily because it was so easy to pick up out of his hand. He flashed a hard changeup at 84-85 that was more like a fastball with something taken off it.

    His arm is very quick, but he doesn’t use his lower half to generate that arm speed and has no deceleration at all after release, so the visual effect is that of a pitcher who’s just flinging the ball in the general direction of the plate. His slot is a little below three-quarters, but it’s inconsistent as you’d expect given the arm action. I’m not shocked that he’s had arm trouble, and I can’t imagine him throwing like that 100 times a game without breaking down at some point, or just having too little command to make it as a starter.

    This was far from an ideal look, just Campos’ second outing back since he was shut down last spring and one in which he clearly didn’t have his old velocity, but what I saw didn’t give me a ton of hope.” Law

  159. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    ^from ESPN Insider

    Usual one look kind of scouting report that isn’t very useful.

    austinmac, Hughes isn’t an ace, so no reason he would have an ace’s repertoire, but I think the secondary pitches are improving. And he threw some very decent changeups in the Detroit starts. Also think the curveball will be better this year, based on some of the more lateral ones he threw last season. We’ll see.

  160. Cashmoney April 14th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    fem, I think Campos will need surgery in eventuality. just a guess though.

  161. comnsnse April 14th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Amazing the amount of comments about a pitcher in this organization for at least 8 years whose only claim to fame is being inconsistent.

    However at the risk of being repetitive the fault lies in the minor league organization ,scouts including international people, so called directors and Cashman.

    Essentially on the record they have not performed and the old excuse of the draft that they don’t pick until late because of their success simply doesn’t wash when they have arguably produced 1 reliable guy in Cashman’s tenure as “full time GM”in 05. The best and most productive of their prospects were the ones they traded away.

    Montero,Jackson,Kennedy. Sort of like an old regime who traded away Willie McGhee, Fred McGriff Doug Drabek and more!

    The old way is not working buying other team’s stars and we were lucky to win in 09.

    Burnett an inconsistent stiff with the occasional decent year. Tex reduced offense since 09 and now publically stating he’s in decline! CC a winner and the best FA signing during the Cashman years. Matsui on board before Cashman assumed full responsibility.

    200+mm for average

  162. blake April 14th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Thanks for posting that YF

  163. Captain Clutch April 14th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    It’s very important that Phelps stays stretched out this year. Next year they could be without Hughes, Pettitte and Kuroda. He has to be able to throw 180 innings or so next year. I definitely think that Hughes gets a very long leash because of his name and what they thought he would be. They are still holding out hope that he will become that pitcher. But for some reason the stuff isn’t there anymore.

  164. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Law also trashed Bichette and Cito.

  165. Ghostwriter April 14th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    austinmac April 14th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Phil Hughes simply doesn’t possess enough quality pitches to be a high end pitcher. His fastball is good enough at 92-3, but hardly overpowering. His breaking ball looks slurvish to me without much downward plane. He misses way to much with his CU which appears to have some down and away movement.

    This is not the stuff of a once former no. 1 prospect.
    =======

    I think that Chip may have the best take on Hughes. Hughes is very nearly as inconsistent as Burnett. Hughes has enough stuff to be a high-end pitcher. We know this is so, because we’ve seen him dominate on any number of occasions. There are two key problems with Hughes. First, he tends to run and cold. Second, he doesn’t know how to get outs when he doesn’t have good stuff. My guess is that if Hughes can ever solve the latter problem, he would be a solid front-end starter–a solid number-2 if not an ace.

  166. yankeefeminista April 14th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    blake, you bet.

    I am sure Campos will be better than this as he regains arm strength. Hopefully, he stays healthy.

  167. Cashmoney April 14th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Chip is right, Hughes margin for error isn’t as big as when first step on the mound of Texas. He has nasty slider back then. As of now, I know some of you guys are rather attach to him and still bear high hope for him. his ceiling is 3 at best imo.

  168. Against All Odds April 14th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    They have a lot to do with it and I often wonder if Hughes gets pushed past his level because Cashman desperately needs to claim a huge victory there.

    ——————————

    That’s part of it. I think they believe if they show faith in him and give him every opportunity to start then he will develop into the pitcher that can anchor a rotation. Cashman and Co. definitely feel he has the talent to pitch on this level.

  169. Cashmoney April 14th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    *hopes, when he… typing too fast.

  170. Ghostwriter April 14th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    “Burnett an inconsistent stiff with the occasional decent year.”

    This is close, but it’s not quite right. The thing about Burnett that makes him so tantalizing is that he is quite good about 80 percent of the time. He just seems to have bad stretches (say about a month, or so, each year). Many times, he just has a bad inning that wrecks an entire solid outing. It’s these stretches that tempted folks into thinking that Burnett was close to putting it all together.

    Sadly, it does appear that Hughes may be cut of the same cloth as Burnett. Still, it’s early in the year, I remain cautiously optimistic about Hughes. Unless he absolutely flames out, I think that I would make a QO for him if a good midseason trade opportunity doesn’t materialize.

  171. Tar April 14th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Nothing about Phil has been consistent. Certainly not his results.

    Injuries, arm fatigue, bull-pen/starter,pitching coaches, changing grips, cutter/ no cutter, no CU/CU, tipping pitches, injuries again, etc.

    He needs a good stretch of time with out changing anything.

  172. Ghostwriter April 14th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Cashmoney April 14th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Chip is right, Hughes margin for error isn’t as big as when first step on the mound of Texas. He has nasty slider back then. As of now, I know some of you guys are rather attach to him and still bear high hope for him. his ceiling is 3 at best imo.
    ===========

    The guy that I saw pitch in Baltimore last September looked like an ace to me.

  173. austinmac April 14th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Hughes doesn’t have anywhere near the stuff Burnett has. Not in the same ballpark.

  174. blake April 14th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Hughes is always going to be prone to clunkers because of his homer rate…. Especially in this division in this ball park…..

    The good news is that he usually only has a few of them mixed into a seasons worth of good outings and at the end of the day he is a good 4th starter on a good team….the homer rate and the reasons for it have kept him from taking that next step….

    A different ballpark and division would help turn some of those homers into fly balls but so would better location and off speed stuff.

    Regardless though….every year after one of these clunkers people start jumping off the hUghes band wagon in droves……you have to just know what he is and know that he’s gonna have games where the fly balls go out of the park and it’s ugly…..but you also have to know that most of his starts are pretty good….he’s not a frontline guy…..we need to have the right expectations for him and if you so it’s a lot smoother ride…..

  175. Duh Innings II April 14th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Hughes to the White Sox for Peavy – think about it.

    Peavy is signed through next year at $14.5M a year and has a $15M player’s option if he pitches 400 innings 2013-14 and isn’t on the disabled list at the end of 2014. That’s alot of money to commit to a guy who finally had a full, good season after three injury-shortened seasons last season.

    He turns only 34 on 5/31 in his player’s option year so he wouldn’t be old even at contract’s end (to me “old” is at least 35.)

    He has a career 3.47 ERA and 1.180 WHIP. Granted most of that was in the NL when he was a Cy Young Award winner with the Padres but he posted a fine 2012 for the White Sox: 3.37 ERA, 1.096 WHIP, and 194 SO in 219 IP across 32 GS, so he is no longer a “career NL pitcher who can’t hack it in the AL”. He had a 2012 even better than Kuroda’s because of the SO.

    If Hughes and Peavy struggle halfway through the season, I’d make the swap if the White Sox were down to make it and Peavy wanted to come to the Yankees.

    Sabathia/Peavy/Kuroda/Pettitte/Nova, Phelps, Warren, or Pineda the rest of the way and I’d go with Sabathia/Peavy/Pettitte/Kuroda in the ALDS so Andy makes the Game 3 start to keep the Yanks alive, snap the series tie, or advance to the ALCS.

    The 2014 rotation could be 4/5ths set if Kuroda or Pettitte come back or 100% set if both come back and one of the above farmhands is the fifth starter. Pettitte wants to reach 300 wins so I could see him coming back, especially if he posts a 4.50 or better ERA in at least 20 starts this season. If he wins 15 games this year he’d have 260 career wins through 2014 – no way he retires just 40 wins shy of 300. He probably looked at Jamie Moyer and said if Moyer could pitch ’til age 49 and quality baseball through age 45, so can he.

    Chicago could shed as much as $29.5M plus remaining money owed to Peavy this year minus a qualifying offer of $13.5M to Hughes for 2014 if he took it. If he turns down the qualifying offer, they get a draft pick after 2014 they may not get if Peavy exercises his player’s option. Even if they re-signed Hughes for two years at $10M a year and $20M total, two years of him would stilll cost only $5.5M more than Peavy’s 2014, and Hughes would still be only 29 at contract’s end as he’d turn 30 on 6/24/16.

  176. Duh Innings II April 14th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    *won’t get


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