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Good, bad and unknown

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 15, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Two weeks into the season, a few of the good, bad and unknown situations surrounding the Yankees.

GOOD
Vernon Wells
Exceeding expectations
Kevin Youkilis has been terrific, and Travis Hafner has been a much need source of power, but of the three productive new guys in the middle, expectations were lowest for Wells. He was coming off two horrible seasons in Los Angeles, and the initial reaction to the trade was one of complete bewilderment. Turns out, the Yankees found a way to make the horrible contract work in their favor, and Wells has taken a simplified approach that’s leading to impressive results. He’s the Yankees best outfielder right now. See also: Youkilis, Hafner and Lyle Overbay

Andy Pettitte
Terrific start on the mound
There is cause for concern, no doubt, but the Yankees seem to be doing their usual overly cautious routine with Pettitte’s back, and the fact he was able to pitch through it — and pitch well — in his previous start seems to be a good sign. What really stands out about Pettitte is how incredibly good he’s been in his first two outings. Just like every aging player, health and durability are going to constant concerns, but whether he can still pitch at 40 years old isn’t really up for debate. See also: CC Sabathia, Dave Robertson, David Phelps and, as of last night, Hiroki Kuroda

Eduardo Nunez
Taking advantage of opportunity
Specifically, his throwing. Two inside pitches have forced him to miss time, and that’s left the Yankees infield incredibly thin, and his hitting has been only so-so through 20 at-bats, but Nunez has been legitimately dependable in the field. And it carries more weight because it seems like a continuation of what we saw in spring training. The pressure of the regular season hasn’t undone all of that Nunez seemed to accomplish in March. See also: Francisco Cervelli, Adam Warren and Vidal Nunez (still pitching well in AAA)

BAD
Ichiro Suzuki
Playing his way into a smaller role?
Ichiro and Wells are each past-their-prime outfielders, but Wells is off to a terrific start while Ichiro is hitting below .200. For the time being, it’s a fairly easy call to keep Ichiro as an everyday outfielder – sitting occasionally to give Brennan Boesch at-bats — but what happens when Curtis Granderson comes off the disabled list? Hafner’s not going anywhere against right-handers. Is it better to keep Ichiro in the lineup ahead of Wells? Could there be some sort of four-man outfield rotation? See also: Cody Eppley, Joba Chamberlain and Chris Stewart

Phil Hughes
Slow start on the mound
Girardi makes practical sense when he says two starts from Hughes, and one bad start from Ivan Nova, are not enough to make an immediate change in the rotation. The Yankees have seen Hughes get off to slow starts in the past, and everyone knows that Nova can be a bit hit-or-miss, but if we’re talking about things that have gone right and wrong in these first two weeks, the back of the rotation certainly fits into the “wrong” category. Both Hughes and Nova will get a chance to turn things around — they’ve only thrown a total of 11.2 innings so far — but the slow start makes the rotation seem especially thin. See also: Nova, Boone Logan and Jayson Nix (who has no real replacement as a utility man, but hasn’t gotten off to a great start aside from the pivotal decision on that triple play).

Ben Francisco
Seemingly replaceable
Still some hurdles to overcome, but Curtis Granderson, Mark Teixeira and Derek Jeter could be back at some point next month, which means a lot of fringy roster guys have only a little bit of time to prove they absolutely belong. Boesch wasn’t showing much until last night’s two-hit game improved his numbers and — in theory — his stock, which could important considering he has options and it’s a left-handed outfielder who seems closest to being activated. Right now, it’s Francisco who has the smallest role and the .000 batting average. See also: Boesch, Shawn Kelley and Dellin Betances (knocked around again in AAA).

UNKNOWN
Mark Teixeira
Unfinished progress
He wasn’t cleared to swing a bat on Friday, but every indication is that Teixeira is healing without needing season-ending surgery. He might not meet his May 1 goal, but early May does not seem out of the question based on the current progress. Swinging and throwing will be significant steps, so he’s not nearly out of the woods, but he’s avoided the worst-case scenario for this long, and that’s positive. See also: Curtis Granderson, Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera (so far, so good, but hasn’t really been tested yet).

Michael Pineda
Still a real mystery
Here’s what we know about Pineda: He’s taking all the right steps. He’s progressed from playing catch to throwing bullpens to facing hitters, but we don’t know how hard he’s throwing or how his slider and changeup have been affected by last year’s shoulder surgery. The small snippets of news that we’ve gotten have painted a promising picture, but even this late in his rehab, there’s still a significant amount of unknown data. The Yankees seem encouraged. It remains to be seen whether that actually means anything: See also: Alex Rodriguez, Cesar Cabral and Clay Rapada

Brian Cashman
Is there enough here to win?
So far, a lot of the veteran moves are paying off. The Wells trade suddenly seems inspired, Youkilis and Hafner have exceeded expectations, Cervelli is outplaying Russell Martin, and the Yankees managed to open significant room on the 40-man while losing only one player (David Aardsma). Then again, it’s still early, and durability is a significant concern with this aging roster. It remains to be seen whether this thin rotation can hold it together through the summer. The bullpen has not been nearly as good as expected. Young guys didn’t show enough in spring training to take advantage of massive opportunities. And, of course, there’s still the long-term viability of guys like Rodriguez and Jeter to wonder about. See also: Joe Girardi, Hal Steinbrenner and the $189 million plan

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400 Responses to “Good, bad and unknown”

  1. Jesus Bustero April 15th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    If Seattle offered Jesus Montero straight up right now for Cervelli I would shoot down that deal in a heartbeat. We don’t need a lead-footed DH who can’t take a walk. All Montero has on Cervelli is power. That’s it. Cervelli is a better blocker, game caller, framer, thrower, runner, contact hitter and has more patience and more experience.

  2. Bronx Jeers April 15th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Rapada’s another guy that could force them into a roster move next month.

  3. Jesus Bustero April 15th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Also, what are the chances of Eduardo Nunez starting at shortstop and Jeter the DH in 2014?

  4. tomingeorgia April 15th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Masters over, taking a few days off, much needed. Because I’m a Civil War student, decided to check off a couple of more battlefield sites, the Battle of Chickamauga (Braxton Bragg’s last victory), the Battle of Chattanooga, and Lookout Mountain, the “battle above the clouds”.

    Booked a hotel room in Chattanooga, then looked up the Chattanooga Lookouts, the Dodgers’ AA team in the Southern League. Their resident phenom is Yasiel Puig, the Dodgers recent refugee signing from Cuba. He’ hitting .364, OBP .417, slugging .667, for an OPS of 1.083, so I’m going to take in a couple of games while I’m there. Has anybody seen him play, or know anything more than his numbers about him?

  5. Mike Ri April 15th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    If Wells continues to hit like this . .How can you platoon him or sit him down ….. Let Ichiro sit

  6. Tackelberry April 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    I still think Hughes will be ok. April has neve been his best month. If Nova continues to struggle and be inconsistent, then he has to be bumped in favor of Phelps with Nuno possibly gettting the call as well.

  7. Shame Spencer April 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    No need to worry about who to sit and when.. those things usually work themselves out. Guys are going to be hot and cold all year. Play the hot hand.

  8. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    The GM said that he would have a mL pipeline to supply top talent. That hasn’t happened yet and that’s why they need to scramble to find veterans.

    Gardner and Cervelli are ok, and maybe they can be more than that, but I would hope that the pipeline actually starts happening fairly soon.

    And btw, watching AJack play for another team is painful.

  9. Tackelberry April 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Anyone see Keith Law’s comments on the Charleston team on RAB when he went to their game this weekend? He didn’t have anything good to say about any of them. Specifically ripped Campos, Culver, Bichette, and Bird. Only one he had a bit of a compliment for was Calderon, but even then he added that his hands are ‘all over the place and the pitchers with better velocity blew him up’

  10. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    I’m hoping against hope that Jeter hangs em up. It’s been a great run Derek, let it go. Pick a tight body and go make babies. Hell, get two. That cement mansion must be like a tomb. Fill it with noise.

  11. Mike Ri April 15th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    I?m hoping against hope that Jeter hangs em up. It?s been a great run Derek, let it go. Pick a tight body and go make babies. Hell, get two. That cement mansion must be like a tomb. Fill it with noise.

    ——-
    LMAO !!!!!!!

  12. tucker April 15th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Puig — another missed opportunity for a young, cost-controlled slugger.

    So far I’m pleasantly surprised with the offseason production of the team. The team also has seemingly improved a couple of last year’s bugaboos: situational hitting and w/RISP. Just hope the reintroduction of Grandy and Tex do not scuttle this contact-minded group now in the lineup … Youk,min particular, has added a lot to this team. His grit and grind-it out at bats are refreshing. He’s growing on me like an old worn, sweat-soiled sweatshirt.

  13. tucker April 15th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Offensive production, not offseason production …

  14. Cashmoney April 15th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    I can’t see Jeter walking away from 14. But I am ready to move on with Nunez or someone else viable. I don’t think it’s prudent to invest in Jeter long term for obvious reasons.

  15. Shame Spencer April 15th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    I’m hoping against hope that Jeter hangs em up. It’s been a great run Derek, let it go. Pick a tight body and go make babies. Hell, get two. That cement mansion must be like a tomb. Fill it with noise.

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    Lol, have you been watching Nunez and Nix play SS…?? I hope Jeter comes back. I’d take an 80% Derek over the other two.

  16. Shame Spencer April 15th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Where is the SS Diaz….?? I wish I were referencing a Carnival Cruise ship because if so, that thing would already be floating our way….

  17. Cashmoney April 15th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    I’d take an 80% Derek over the other two.
    ======
    80 percent of Jeter coming off ankle injury might not be able to move laterally at all. but eh, as long he position himself smartly, he has a strong and accurate arm left, no?

  18. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Culver and Bichette were direct results of the austerity drafting plan. The beancounters riding the profit margin. Otherwise Oppenheimer blows the budget on one player. They’re both struggling and it was one game.

  19. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Shame
    Nunez has been steady as she goes in those few games he’s played. He’s bouncing his throws in rather than sailing them. All good.

    Now don’t you go slamming my Nuney that way, his feelings are fragile.

  20. Shame Spencer April 15th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Lol, Bo, right now my biggest concern is that Nunez can actually stay in games… dude needs to learn how to get out of the box quicker. They must know his tendencies or maybe they’re just so used to Derek they can’t help but try to pound the kid inside.

  21. Jerkface April 15th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Culver, Bichette

    These 2 deserve to be ripped. Cito’s hitting .244 and Dante is hitting under .200. Given they are needing to make this year a big one its a disappointing start for both of them. It seems the 1 big game they had each has been it for them.

  22. mick April 15th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    mick April 15th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    If Girardi came out and said “we’re gonna bat Tex 7th against RHP, but he’ll be in the middle of the order vs RHP” I’d be less worried about him coming back. But you know and I know he’ll be hitting 3rd or 4th against RHP and kill that spot in the lineup for months before any change is thought of. And the issue is a ton of opportunities happen in that spot where we need someone who can at the very least make a productive out which he cannot when he’s trying to pull outside pitches to Trenton.
    ==================================
    Tex went Hollywood. He twitters and sells things. He used to be blue collar , now is just white.
    He came up with short-porchitis to further his brand.
    Nuff said?
    Oh yeah hi Randy, you are the best… :)… Any new stories?

  23. Against All Odds April 15th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    And he can throw the ball. The Yankees really made the right call when they chose this guy over Jesus Montero. He’s the NYY starting catcher. Montero is in danger of losing his job on the Seattle Mariners.

    ——————

    Montero is still learning his craft. It’s too soon to right him off.

  24. Shame Spencer April 15th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Welp, I’ll be making my first trips to the Stadium this week.. hoping to see Nova, CC and Hughes. Anyone know how the D’back rotation will be set up?

    Prices on Stubhub and the NYY Exchange look pretty similar as far as the cheapest stuff goes.. not really looking for a deal, personally, just the bare minimum, so it might not be the same situation as you move to traditionally more expensive sections.

  25. austinmac April 15th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    I do give Cashman credit for the old guard keeping the shop afloat. The Ichiro decision was and is a head scratcher. Was it really about marketing?

  26. Sir Harden Thick April 15th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Mike Ri says:
    April 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    If Wells continues to hit like this . .How can you platoon him or sit him down ….. Let Ichiro sit

    —————

    I have been saying that when Granderson comes back Ichiro should be traded.
    Boesch can be the 4th OF.
    Saving the 6mil would be huge next year.
    But, in order to trade him now Cashman would have to be proactive.
    Ichiro will never sniff 3,000 in two years especially if he is batting down the lineup and platooning

  27. Shame Spencer April 15th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    austinmac April 15th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    I do give Cashman credit for the old guard keeping the shop afloat. The Ichiro decision was and is a head scratcher. Was it really about marketing?

    —————-

    Yeah, this was a FO move not a Cashman move. It was about his milestones and the fans loving him or something. ….Just an FYI in case the FO didn’t consider it, but the fans will absolutely boo Ichiro if he keeps playing like this lol. I don’t expect him to continue to be this bad, but he’ll likely be close to the numbers he’s posted over the last two years.

  28. bigdan22 April 15th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    That’s a really interesting question Jesus. Cervelli for Montero?? What that shows is we, nor anyone else, has any idea what type of player Montero is. Is he really a ft catcher? Can he hit ML pitching? For a guy who was a national top 5 prospect that’s an awful lot of doubt. Which is why Seattle can’t trade him now. There really is no way to value him.

    I think we’ve actually known for more than two years who Cervelli is. He just went on a detour for awhile and confused us. But I remember him in the minors. He was projected to be a strong defensive catcher who could hit a bit and take a walk. Seeing him as a .270-275 hitter with maybe a .325-330 obp with little power seems about what he’ll end up being. Which is pretty valuable for a catcher.

  29. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Ichiro did hit .322 after the trade last year. i think some of it was marketing based but I also think there was a belief that he could possibly provide a spark with a new environment. I think he’ll get going this year. Probably won’t hit .300 but he’s still too good of a hitter to be this bad. He had a great spring.

  30. Russell Munson April 15th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Let’s remember that Cervelli is four years older than Montero.

  31. bruceb April 15th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Dempster threw a gem for Sox today. They’re starting pitching is off to a flier.

  32. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    bruceb April 15th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
    Dempster threw a gem for Sox today. They’re starting pitching is off to a flier.
    ———————————————————————————

    I figured that it would be with Farrell back. I think all those guys were put on notice that last year was not acceptable. I still don’t think Dempster will do that well in the AL East but Lester and Buchholtz are both very, very good. Not sure about Doubrount and Lackey (even when healthy) yet. They have a good team though.

  33. mick April 15th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Where has all the Montero talk gone?
    Are we now down to:”He’s just learning his craft”?
    The naysayers have mysteriosly quieted down/gone away no longer waxing the poetics.
    Funny how that works…

  34. Jesus Bustero April 15th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Well big dan, to sum it up. I will take the known over the unknown. The New York Yankees never had time for any major projects.

    The only exception I can think of is Phil Hughes but even he has proven he can be at least an average major league starter every step along the way.

    The Joba project lasted one year and they dumped him in the bullpen. Project over. Cano was never a project. Wang was never a project. When Cervelli was a project they dumped him in the minors for a whole year.

  35. bigdan22 April 15th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Let’s face it did anyone reasonably project Ajax to be the player he seemingly has become? I vividly remember him in the Yanks’ minor league system. The team was hyping him big time (like they did with Montero) but he had all the markings of ML failure offensively. Sure we knew he’d be an excellent defensive player. But in terms of batting average he was just ok with terrible contact skills and plate discipline and almost no power. That almost never projects well on a ML level. Def have to credit the Tigers there. Seems to be a really nice player now. Oh well.

  36. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Montero is younger but he still has no quickness, lateral movement. That’s it that’s all. It takes time for all that mass to move.

  37. luis April 15th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    A couple of thoughts:

    1) Nunez has been playing very well at short, the more he plays the better he will become. He will never be Jeter, but those kind of guys are very hard to find. I said that Nunez would be key for us this season. I am not sure that Jeter can play the field anymore. Nunez has speed, range and a good batting approach. He is better than 80% of the current SS starters.

    2) Nova: I think Bo knows has nailed it with him… They have messed up so much with his mechanics that he is a mess… I love his make up and stuff, so I think he will come out of it with some patience… I think he is our best current internal option ( Hughes, Phelps and him )

    3) Mac, Ichiro is here for marketing reasons, nothing else… What he did last season was a fluke… He will bounce back, but not at the levels of last season.

    4) About Cervelli… I saw him play in the winter and he is a completely different player nowadays… But if I have to pick between him and Montero, I would pick the latter no questions asked… He is not a DH… But having said that, Cervelli has been a pleasure to watch play this season so far.

  38. blake April 15th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    I don’t always agree with Law but I’ve read enough of him to think he is at least objective…..

    I know one thing….if I ever get to go to Augusta again I am going to give Tom a call…..sounds like he does it up right for his guests!

  39. bruceb April 15th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Please pardon my grammar. Should have been “their” rather than “they’re,” of course.

  40. mick April 15th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    They have messed up so much with his mechanics that he is a mess…
    ===============================
    Always the easy answer ;)

  41. blake April 15th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    “Where has all the Montero talk gone?”

    there isn’t much to talk about….Ive watched several of his ABs and he’s not making the adjustments necessary to hit in the big leagues so far…..he’s being got out the same ways he was last year. The physical tools are still there….but if you don’t make adjustments in the majors then you won’t have success…..he’s still very young but right now….not much to talk about.

  42. Mike in Harrisburg April 15th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    I remember having the impression that Jose Tabata was the bigger prospect at the time than Jackson.

  43. Warning Track Power April 15th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I am not worried about Ichiro just yet. The guy is a veteran, has been around the block and is only getting off to a slow start. I’m sure soon enough he will “get hot” and help the team win a lot of games with his bat.
    Much too early for him to sit down and lose playing time after only 2 weeks into the season.

  44. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Jackie Bradley Jr. hitting .100… I wonder how long the Sox keep him off if he continues to struggle like this. I haven’t seen any of their games since the Yanks series but the numbers aren’t pretty.

  45. Shame Spencer April 15th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Did the blog get dumber today or something…??

  46. Duh Innings II April 15th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Jesus Bustero April 15th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Also, what are the chances of Eduardo Nunez starting at shortstop and Jeter the DH in 2014?

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    None. Jeter will not be the DH in 2014 because he doesn’t have enough power.

    Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    I’m hoping against hope that Jeter hangs em up. It’s been a great run Derek, let it go. Pick a tight body and go make babies. Hell, get two. That cement mansion must be like a tomb. Fill it with noise.

    —————————————————————-

    Why should Jeter “let it go”? He had a fantastic 2012, I’d say his finest season considering his age and the expectations coming into the season. Just because he’s currently injured doesn’t mean he’s done. Remember his injury was from playing the field not old age. He could’ve got that injury at any age. Would he recover sooner if he was 30? Probably but we’ll never know. I do know that he was out for five or six weeks from injuring his shoulder sliding into the catcher Huckaby’s knee on Opening Day 2003 and he had a great 2003. History has shown that Jeter can rebound from injury as well as an off-year.

    Jeter turns 39 on June 24. He could wolf around for another six years and still have half a decade to find a woman to marry by age 50. I think his mindset is start a family after he retires so he doesn’t miss a moment of his kids growing up like George Brett did. If I were Jeter I would go for Pete Rose’s 4256 hits and at least pass Hank Aaron for most hits by a righthanded hitter who will be in the Hall Of Fame. Jeter has 3304 career hits and needs only 468 hits to pass Aaron. Figure he collects 132 hits this season to just pass Cap Anson by a hit and move into sixth place with 3436 hits then collects another 170 hits in 2014 for 3606 and passes Musial (3630) in April 2015. If he could do that and collect just 166 hits in 2015, he’d have the second-most hits by a righthanded batter with 3772 and would be the Hall Of Fame righthanded hitter with the most hits provided he doesn’t do anything to not be voted in. If Pete Rose wants to run his mouth about how Jeter didn’t pass him well Jeter probably didn’t want to limp to the finish line with half a decade of subpar hasbeen final seasons with exactly TWO homeruns, both in the same year, after age 41 like Rose did. Rose collected 666 hits in his final five seasons, so he had only 3590 hits through age 40. He hung on – I don’t think Jeter will hang on. Again I see 132 hits from him this year for 3436 then at least 170 from him in 2014 for 3606 through age 40, only 16 more hits than Rose, and he wouldn’t be done yet.

  47. blake April 15th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    I do think the Yankees tinker maybe too much with pitchers…..AJ benefited from getting out of NY but one of the things he said last year was that he just went back to what was comfortable for him mechanically instead of trying to do everything the Yanks told him to do….

  48. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg April 15th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
    I remember having the impression that Jose Tabata was the bigger prospect at the time than Jackson.
    ——————————————————————————–

    Tabata was at one time but I believe that Jackson had passed him up easily by the time of the Pittsburgh trade. I remember Tabata having a dismal year in Trenton before that and he definitely had some maturity issues down there. AJax had really taken off in Tampa the year before that and kept it going in Trenton.

  49. blake April 15th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    “Jackie Bradley Jr. hitting .100… I wonder how long the Sox keep him off if he continues to struggle like this. I haven’t seen any of their games since the Yanks series but the numbers aren’t pretty.

    how is this possible?

  50. bigdan22 April 15th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    I saw some of Law’s report and the most disconcerting part was what he said about Campos. While his current reduced velocity and command can be discounted a bit since he’s just now coming back from injury, Law’s assessment of his mechanics was brutal. He basically said that Campos will never be starter and/or is bound to be injured. He said Campos does not use his lower body at all and he’s all arm. That would seem to me to be pretty obvious to any scout or pitching coach. If I were a reporter covering this stuff, I’d immediately call Patterson or Newman and try to get a comment. Very very disappointing.

  51. Shame Spencer April 15th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    I know one thing….if I ever get to go to Augusta again I am going to give Tom a call…..sounds like he does it up right for his guests!

    ———————-

    tom was making me hungry yesterday… group trip to tom’s!

  52. CompassRosy April 15th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    bigdan22 April 15th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    That’s a really interesting question Jesus. Cervelli for Montero?? What that shows is we, nor anyone else, has any idea what type of player Montero is. Is he really a ft catcher? Can he hit ML pitching? For a guy who was a national top 5 prospect that’s an awful lot of doubt. Which is why Seattle can’t trade him now. There really is no way to value him.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    Well, that and the fact that even with Zunino in the wings, they need depth at catcher . . .

  53. Against All Odds April 15th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    The Montero thing is funny. The same ppl that preach patience won’t allow Montero to go through his struggles but yet they give vets get a long leach.

  54. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    blake April 15th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    “Jackie Bradley Jr. hitting .100… I wonder how long the Sox keep him off if he continues to struggle like this. I haven’t seen any of their games since the Yanks series but the numbers aren’t pretty.

    how is this possible?
    ———————————————————————–

    I’m not usually one to gripe about media coverage but the 2 games on ESPN during that series was unbearable. Literally all he did was walk and ground back to the pitcher for an RBI in 3 games. He will probably become a good player but you would have thought he was Bryce Harper.

    WOW. Another blown save by the Sox. This one by Bailey.

  55. Mike Ri April 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    2-2 rays tied it . .

  56. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Rosy-

    What are your thoughts on Montero? I think he just needs more time to develop. No doubt in my mind that the bat comes around although Safeco has been brutal on him.

  57. NYYROC April 15th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Somebody mentioned Farrell’s return and tthe resurgence of the RS pitchers so far. Even though Farrell is mgr not PC I wonder how much difference a coach can make. When Rothschild was interviewed Cashman gave him video of Hughes, Joba and Burnett and asked him what he’d do to improve them. Well he helped AJ so much they sent him packing and paid Pitt to take him. Hughes is still up and down, and homer prone. Joba languishes in the BP and fans wonder what ever happened to him.
    AJ went to Pitt and has been better. Wonder what PH and Joba will look like in years to come when the pitch elsewhere.

  58. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I think Uehara is the Sox best reliever. I wonder if they’ll move him to the closer role. Hanrahan and Bailey can’t get it done right now.

  59. blake April 15th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    seriously…..Bradley is a good prospect but a good spring and a pretty good series against the Yanks and ESPN had him right there with Trout and Harper…..worst

  60. luis April 15th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Mick,

    No…Just the way I see it… He had a great slider, they changed the grip… Last season, they tried to shorten up his stride, now to shorten up his arm action… If that’s not messing up with him, I don’t what is… I certainly hope that this changes are for the best… Just not seeing the results right now… If something ain’t broken, why fix it?

  61. mick April 15th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Did the blog get dumber today or something…??
    ====================
    Not clever enough or entertaining for ya?

  62. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    The A ballers won’t matter, our AA guys are all future hall of famers anyway :)

  63. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    NYYROC April 15th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    Somebody mentioned Farrell’s return and tthe resurgence of the RS pitchers so far. Even though Farrell is mgr not PC I wonder how much difference a coach can make. When Rothschild was interviewed Cashman gave him video of Hughes, Joba and Burnett and asked him what he’d do to improve them. Well he helped AJ so much they sent him packing and paid Pitt to take him. Hughes is still up and down, and homer prone. Joba languishes in the BP and fans wonder what ever happened to him.
    AJ went to Pitt and has been better. Wonder what PH and Joba will look like in years to come when the pitch elsewhere.
    ———————————————————————-

    I think it’s split between coaching and the pitcher himself. I think Sox pitchers have confidence through working with Farrell. I also think that Sox pitchers realize they are on a short leash after last year. Nothing like having that as extra motivation..

  64. mick April 15th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    luis,
    the problem with nova is in his head, if you want to blame the FO for that, fine.

  65. Shame Spencer April 15th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    AJ benefited from getting out of NY but one of the things he said last year was that he just went back to what was comfortable for him mechanically instead of trying to do everything the Yanks told him to do….
    —————-

    We’ve been hearing a fair bit of that from other pitchers too… does anyone have a solid understanding of Rothchild’s approach? Peterson is the guy that thinks pitchers need to stick with what’s comfortable/natural for them, correct?

  66. mick April 15th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    WOW. Another blown save by the Sox. This one by Bailey.
    =================
    is this game on tv?

  67. luis April 15th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    The motion has to be as natural as possible.. if not, you won’t get consistent with it

    AAO,

    Yup

  68. Warning Track Power April 15th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Tyler
    I’m not usually one to gripe about media coverage but the 2 games on ESPN during that series was unbearable. Literally all he did was walk and ground back to the pitcher for an RBI in 3 games. He will probably become a good player but you would have thought he was Bryce Harper.

    ———————————————————————————————————————
    I saw the same 2 games on ESPN and you’re 100% correct.
    Rick Sutcliffe was so impressed how Bradley beat out a throw to 2nd base. WTH!!!!
    ESPN was hoping the kid would get off to a great start so they could pat themselves on the back for hyping him up as much as they did for those 2 games on ESPN

  69. Warning Track Power April 15th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Montero’s stats as of today throught 10 games, 38 at bats:
    211 .211 .237 .447

    0 HR’s and 2 RBI’s

  70. luis April 15th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Mick,

    In his head?… Have you seen this guy pitch?… Have you seen they way he used to bear down when it counted?… Of course your confidence level takes a hit if you are not sure of what you are doing up there… FTR: I don’t blame the FO, I blame the coaching staff

  71. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I think Montero had a big spring, right? Maybe Safeco scares him.

  72. mick April 15th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    The Montero thing is funny. The same ppl that preach patience won’t allow Montero to go through his struggles but yet they give vets get a long leach.
    ==========================
    Try to understand this: what went on here was spearheaded by a tiny minority of fans that was incessant and maniacal in its scope.
    The formula is: he was ours and we let our baby go, our Baby Ruth…
    Guess you are right: it is funny, very funny as well as obnoxious.
    Thanks that there are only a few, but they have quieted down to the point of embarrassment.

  73. luis April 15th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    But for everything else.. I do blame the FO! ;)

  74. CompassRosy April 15th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Tyler ~

    I think Jesus needs more time.
    (but, if he doesn’t make the most of his time soon, he’ll be getting that time in AAA)
    I think/hope Shoppach will be a good mentor for him. Jaso was a great BuC last season but, Shoppach has a lot more experience to impart to Jesus.

  75. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Have you seen they way he used to bear down when it counted?…
    =======================
    He’s not bearing down because he has no confidence. You can’t blame it entirely on the coaching staff.
    If he’s not ready, send him down or trade him.
    If you are going to blame the coaches then he is done here.
    If it’s on him then he could overcome, so trade him. Another teams coaches might recognize how good he is and help him out…

  76. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Shoppach has a lot more experience to impart to Jesus.
    ==================================
    I thought Jesus imparted the knowledge ;)

    No, really….this might be part of the reason we let him go.

    He has trouble learning….

  77. CompassRosy April 15th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    I think Montero had a big spring, right? Maybe Safeco scares him.

    ~ ~ ~ ~

    Granted, all his numbers look pretty bleak as he starts this young season but, his numbers, so far, are better at home than on the road . . .

  78. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Mick,

    Montero will hit, the same way that he is catching when everybody said that he was a DH… The reason it has quieted down is because there is nothing else to add.

    1) The trade is still a big bust. Pineda is still an unknown

    2) We didn’t trade him for a bat

    3) We still have plenty of depth on the pitching department

    4) From a management stand point is still a bad move ( adding to an strength at the expense of a weakeness )

    Of course, if you want us to keep on doing it, just ask

  79. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    But for everything else.. I do blame the FO!
    ============================
    luis,

    the players would love you as you put no responsibility on their shoulders.
    its either the coaches, the mgr or the FO…. ;)

  80. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    With so much tinkering, how can be confident?

  81. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    andy is back for his friday start again?

  82. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    mick-

    It’s on NESN but not nationally. Early Patriot Day game.

  83. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Rothschild was the one that instituted CU development in Tampa. They’re still using that approach. Plus he always had the big rap that he a was top of the line pitching coach. The only success he’s had with the Yankees is Robertson’s velocity.

    I’m not a pitching expert, to me it was always been black magic but at some point there has to be a baseline. This is what you do well, this is where you need work. Endit.

    Fit the system to the talent, not the other way around.

  84. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    1) The trade is still a big bust. Pineda is still an unknown
    ———–

    No, both are still unknowns!

    I suppose if Pineda comes back this season and just cannot throw the ball at all, it’ll be a bust. But I expect we won’t be able to properly evaluate this trade for another 3 years or so.

  85. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Mick,

    I do blame the players… For what they should be blamed… But in this case, it’s not his fault.

  86. blake April 15th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    at the end of the day….the guy throwing the baseball is responsible for how good they are IMO.

  87. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Of course, if you want us to keep on doing it, just ask
    ================================
    keep on doing it. and keep on getting laughed at or ignored by most.
    it’s popular to trash the FO, you might be right in cases, and “ahead of your time” in the event of a total collapse, but most here don’t want to hear the constant criticism, even if , at times you are correct.
    it’s all speculation anyway, it’s more fun to sit back and watch the games unfold then to analytically pick them apart every day.

  88. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Sox win. Napoli walkoff double.

  89. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
    Rothschild was the one that instituted CU development in Tampa. They’re still using that approach. Plus he always had the big rap that he a was top of the line pitching coach. The only success he’s had with the Yankees is Robertson’s velocity.

    I’m not a pitching expert, to me it was always been black magic but at some point there has to be a baseline. This is what you do well, this is where you need work. Endit.

    Fit the system to the talent, not the other way around.
    ———

    Baloney. Strike outs have gone up under Rothschild’s tenure.

  90. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    at the end of the day….the guy throwing the baseball is responsible for how good they are IMO.
    ==============================
    brilliant in its simplicity and succinct.

  91. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Compass-

    I think that’s a fair viewpoint. I still think he’ll be a really good major league player but I don’t know if it will be primarily at catcher just because of Zunino. He’ll kill AAA pitching but it might help him get some confidence back both offensively and defensively.

  92. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Kev,

    One is playing ( good, bad whatever )… The other we don’t know if he will ever play again… That on it self, means that the trade is a bust.

    But for me, the most important issue was the management reason… You don’t enhance an already strong part of your organization at the expense of a weak part, because it makes you vulnerable to attack.

  93. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    I suppose if Pineda comes back this season and just cannot throw the ball at all, it’ll be a bust. But I expect we won’t be able to properly evaluate this trade for another 3 years or so.
    ===============================
    No, when you can predict the future you can call it a bust.
    Esp. if you are part of the inteligentia.

  94. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    Kev,

    One is playing ( good, bad whatever )… The other we don’t know if he will ever play again… That on it self, means that the trade is a bust.
    ———-

    Montero could break is leg tomorrow and never play again, and Pineda could come back and be an ace. What are you talking about?

  95. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    thanks tyler.

  96. CompassRosy April 15th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    . . . . .No, really….this might be part of the reason we let him go.

    He has trouble learning….

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    Maybe.

    Or, maybe he just hasn’t found the right teacher . . .

  97. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Baloney. Strike outs have gone up under Rothschild’s tenure.
    ——–
    Yep, that’s what he preaches.

    Where have the strike outs gone up? CC, Pettitte and Kuroda? They’ve gone up with Nova and Hughes. How’s that working out?

  98. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Montero could break is leg tomorrow and never play again, and Pineda could come back and be an ace. What are you talking about?
    ==========================
    The logic luis is trying to impart is that Pineda can become an Ace and Montero could be out of baseball next year AND the trade would still have been wrong.

    He is against it in principle, SO he can not be wrong. EVER.

  99. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    We traded for Granderson in late 2009 and we still can’t properly evaluate that trade. It could be another year or two, without Granderson in pinstripes, before we even know what we would have had in Austin Jackson!

    There’s no point in pretending like we can make a judgement on this trade right now. It’s dumb.

  100. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Mick,

    May I remind you that it was YOU that brought the subject unnecessarily… So was it because you wanted to make fun of those that didn’t agree with the trade or was it that you were really interested in our take?… If it is the former, How would you call that kind of behavior from your part?

  101. endlessjose April 15th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    How is Andy Pettite the good?His start has been pushed back because of an injury(were you surpised).Kuroda is the good because he pictched a complete game yesterday.

  102. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Maybe.

    Or, maybe he just hasn’t found the right teacher . . .
    ===============================
    Maybe not. If you are that great, you might get some tips along the way, but they don’t depend on that. The great ones are so gifted that they rely on their innate abilities to carry them to greatness and immortality. The Yanks saw something they didn’t like…

  103. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    CC’s Ks have gone up, in fact. I’m pretty sure it’s across the board. http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ect-59246/

    Hughes was great for MOST of last season. 3 months! It’s not Rothschild’s fault Hughes wasn’t healthy in 2011. As for Nova, let’s no pretend he was supposed to be some sort of ace. He’s always been a middle of the rotation, back end guy. Right now he’s pitching like a back end guy.

    While we’re at it, let’s get the fire Kevin Long squad out.

  104. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
    luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    Kev,

    One is playing ( good, bad whatever )… The other we don’t know if he will ever play again… That on it self, means that the trade is a bust.
    ———-

    Montero could break is leg tomorrow and never play again, and Pineda could come back and be an ace. What are you talking about?

    =========================

    Good point…. That’s why I said, that for me the management reason was the most important reason

  105. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Kuroda has been the good because of a year and change of excellent pitching for the Yankees.

  106. willwill April 15th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Is it just me, or is Arod a better 3b then Youkilis? I only watch condensed games, everytime i see a play he doesn’t make. i think to arod… that arod would of got that. just me?

  107. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Mick,

    Again you are insulting unnecessarily… No need to poke fun on people that doesn’t agree with your take… Keep it civil

    Good afternoon

  108. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    May I remind you that it was YOU that brought the subject unnecessarily…
    ===============================
    luis, this is a blog, anything can be discussed here. there are no taboos, at least in re: to baseball and sports in general. it’s called discussion.

    ————————————————
    So was it because you wanted to make fun of those that didn’t agree with the trade or was it that you were really interested in our take?…
    ================================
    My comment is nothing compared to the incessant babbling by those in the know that indeed know no more than the ones they look down on.
    As soon as they show up to CLOG THE BLOG, I will take my leave as will many others who find it unbearable.

  109. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    The real trash talk begins:

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource 7m
    Hard to take him seriously. RT @JohnC112461 you see Keith Law’s observations about the Charleston team?

  110. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Good point…. That’s why I said, that for me the management reason was the most important reason
    ========================
    You didn’t know you were doing that? ;)

  111. Hassey April 15th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    apparently, the Rays didn’t get the memo. They must be saving for us all of their infield hits, perfectly placed bloops and perfectly placed grounders

  112. champ809 April 15th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Jerkface April 15th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    Culver, Bichette

    These 2 deserve to be ripped. Cito’s hitting .244 and Dante is hitting under .200. Given they are needing to make this year a big one its a disappointing start for both of them. It seems the 1 big game they had each has been it for them.
    ____________________________________________________

    To judge them just on batting average afteer 30-40 at bats is misleading and in the case of Cito downright wrong. He has 3 2bs, 1 3b and 2HRs in his 11 hits and is top 10 in the sally league in total bases. That’s a very nice start for him considering his hit tool was his ONLY ? coming into this season. He’s hitting the ball with authority and that is what you want to see from him.

    Blake

    Law is a tool and anything but objective when it comes to his evaluation of Yanks prospects.

  113. CompassRosy April 15th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Happy Jackie Robinson Day!

    FOX Sports ?@FOXSports
    In 2007, Ken Griffey Jr. called MLB Commissioner Bud Selig to ask permission to wear No.42 on #JackieRobinsonDay >> pic.twitter.com/9xNZKRMchH

  114. CompassRosy April 15th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    argh! no sure why sometime twitter links / pics work and sometimes they don’t :(

  115. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Why did the Yanks have an off day on J. Robinson Day?
    The only team with a player who still wears that #, and his last chance at that, and they are off?
    Sacrilege.

  116. theREALkevin April 15th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Yes Montero is sucking right now. He might not ever be good, who knows. Maybe the Yankees were correct if they believed Montero would never be a viable starting catcher. But the fact remains THEY TRADED HIM FOR THE WRONG GUY. How this can be ignored is beyond me. People want to point to the fact that Montero sucks, he’s a bust, blah blah blah. But still, when they traded him his trade value was still extremely high. There’s plenty of other guys they could have gotten in return. Again, sure, maybe the Yanks correctly evaluated Montero’s future potential. But it appears as though they completely whiffed on what they got in return for him. And that’s the big issue right now with the trade itself.

  117. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    @AndrewMarchand

    Yankees to wear No. 42 on Tuesday
    ========================
    Good news.

  118. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    While we’re at it, let’s get the fire Kevin Long squad out.
    —-
    A little smack.

    So you’re quoting an article from 2011 to back you up. Hokaay.

    I’ve said it before many times. To me sinkerballers of the caliber of Nova and Wang are a gift. Add an out pitch for L and R batters and you’re good to go. Quick innings, few HRs, go deep in ball games. Nova used to go into the seventh inning frequently, now he has a problem going five.

    How a pitcher with a 95 mph sinker is a four five starter is RAB talk – need more SOs, the choir says so.

  119. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Mick,

    I am on record saying that for me from the start was a bad move regardless of how the players involved turned out to be.. Bad allocation and use of resources.

  120. blake April 15th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    “Law is a tool and anything but objective when it comes to his evaluation of Yanks prospects.”

    thats your opinion…..he seems objective to me. He was higher than anyone of Mason and Austin and the only guy to put J Ram in his top 100…..I don’t always agree with him but he seems to give honest opinions of players from what I’ve seen. I think even he’d say you can’t get a full grip on a player seeing them once…..but he’s paid to write what he saw.

  121. blake April 15th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    “But the fact remains THEY TRADED HIM FOR THE WRONG GUY.”

    they should have signed Darvish and not traded anybody…..that would have been the ideal thing to do. But if they were dead set on dealing him then it should have been for Gio as I said at the time.

  122. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Many fans hung their heads when Montero was traded but that is where it ends.
    The games go on and you see what you have.
    I raved at his shots in ST, the sound of the ball off the bat.
    What went on in here and still goes on is just a constant rant in a condescending way , against fans who don’t know better according to militant dissidents, and against the FO. A FO that has brought you more success than any other team in baseball history.
    Many prolly have rooted against Montero to prove them wrong . After all, he is no longer with us…

  123. blake April 15th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    you know who isn’t objective always…..Yankee fans (including me at times)

  124. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    While we’re at it, let’s get the fire Kevin Long squad out.
    —-
    A little smack.

    So you’re quoting an article from 2011 to back you up. Hokaay.

    I’ve said it before many times. To me sinkerballers of the caliber of Nova and Wang are a gift. Add an out pitch for L and R batters and you’re good to go. Quick innings, few HRs, go deep in ball games. Nova used to go into the seventh inning frequently, now he has a problem going five.

    How a pitcher with a 95 mph sinker is a four five starter is RAB talk – need more SOs, the choir says so.
    ———-

    Have fun with team sinkerball. Who are the elite sinker ball pitchers again? Who are the great hall of famer sinkers?

    I’ve got nothing wrong with them, but strikeouts are like homeruns. You want your guys to hit more homeruns and have more strikeouts. They’re the best outcomes.

  125. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    they should have signed Darvish and not traded anybody…..that would have been the ideal thing to do. But if they were dead set on dealing him then it should have been for Gio as I said at the time.
    ======================
    They wanted more than Montero for Gio.
    Darvish is another issue.
    Pineda was the best they could get.

  126. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    blake-

    What are your thoughts on Evan Gattis? I joined a fantasy league with some friends but missed the draft yesterday. My team is actually fairly good but my catchers are Ruiz (suspension) and Jonathan Lucroy. Gattis is on the wire but will he get time once McCann comes back?

  127. blake April 15th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “Have fun with team sinkerball. Who are the elite sinker ball pitchers again? Who are the great hall of famer sinkers?”

    there is a difference between “sinkerballers” and guys that utilize a good 2 seamer to induce ground balls……Maddux, Halladay, Felix, Shields, etc….all do that.

  128. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Kev… Good post kudos

    Blake,

    About your comment… Yes, the player is responsible for what he is throwing… But if you are tinkered the way he has been ( Shortening stretch and arm action and changing the grips ), it is hard to ask for results from him.

    About your comment about Montero…I would have never traded for a pitcher 9 even Gio ), If I trade him, I trade him for a bat… I try to enhance a weakness, not weakening it further like they did.

  129. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    I am on record saying that for me from the start was a bad move regardless of how the players involved turned out to be..
    =================
    You are entitled to your opinion and you know you can never be wrong….nice job if you can get it.

  130. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    thats your opinion…..he seems objective to me. He was higher than anyone of Mason and Austin and the only guy to put J Ram in his top 100…..I don’t always agree with him but he seems to give honest opinions of players from what I’ve seen. I think even he’d say you can’t get a full grip on a player seeing them once…..but he’s paid to write what he saw.
    ——–
    What he said.

    And besides Law clued me in to the Ruhlman’s Twenty. If you cover bacon with water in the pan and then fry as normal, it renders the fat. Eureka!

  131. blake April 15th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    “What are your thoughts on Evan Gattis? ”

    I think the bat is real….obviously probably not as good as he has been early this year but fantasy wise he has big value right now at catcher…..the issue as you say is what they’ll do with him when Mccann comes back because they have no DH…..their outfield is full…..and Freeman is their 1B…..I don’t think he’ll get enough time and they may even send him back down rather than make him a pinch hitter type guy…..

  132. Jesus Bustero April 15th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Oh yes, the “Pineda may never pitch again” BS. He will pitch again, THIS YEAR, so milk it while it lasts or up until the point that the Mariners demote Montero to AAA. While Montero has not made adjustments, Pineda has shown he can. He did use the change up in spring training before the injury. When he gets healthy it’s going to be a big STFU for all the weasels who clogged the blog and drove away posters. The same crew thinks they run this blog from afar. We’ll see who runs.

  133. RadioKev April 15th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    blake April 15th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    “Have fun with team sinkerball. Who are the elite sinker ball pitchers again? Who are the great hall of famer sinkers?”

    there is a difference between “sinkerballers” and guys that utilize a good 2 seamer to induce ground balls……Maddux, Halladay, Felix, Shields, etc….all do that.
    ————

    Definitely. A 2-seamer is a good tool to have, but those guys, save Maddux, have been at their best when their strike outs have been up.

  134. blake April 15th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    “About your comment about Montero…I would have never traded for a pitcher 9 even Gio ), If I trade him, I trade him for a bat… I try to enhance a weakness, not weakening it further like they did.”

    yea I meant if they were dead set on trading him for a pitcher…..I would have signed Darvish and not traded him at all…..best of both worlds.

  135. NYYROC April 15th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    I agree that everyone likes the Ks. But part of that is that it is a stat that is reported and we all know.
    It would be interesting to keep track of who gets the most GOs and induces the most DPs. You can look them up on stat websites, but you don’t see that stuff reported on typical baseball stat sheets. Maybe that is too boring, IDK?

  136. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    But if you are tinkered the way he has been ( Shortening stretch and arm action and changing the grips ), it is hard to ask for results from him.
    ===========================
    I’m sure coaches tried to tinker with Gibson, Clemens, Koufax, etc…the great ones will ignore them and do what got them here.

  137. Tyler April 15th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I think the bat is real….obviously probably not as good as he has been early this year but fantasy wise he has big value right now at catcher…..the issue as you say is what they’ll do with him when Mccann comes back because they have no DH…..their outfield is full…..and Freeman is their 1B…..I don’t think he’ll get enough time and they may even send him back down rather than make him a pinch hitter type guy…..
    —————————————————————————–

    Thanks. I have the number 1 waiver priority but I’m not really sure if I want to use it on him with his future kind of clouded. Might just wait for the day that Profar or Taveras are called up, haha.

  138. luis April 15th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Mick,

    I have been wrong many times in my life… I would be rich if I could collect a nickel for every time I have been wrong… But you are right, I am entitled to my opinion.

  139. Jesus Bustero April 15th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    and how far…

  140. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    But you are right, I am entitled to my opinion.
    =====================
    And remember luis, when it comes to Montero, you can never be wrong. ;)

  141. Russell Munson April 15th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    The one good thing I’ll say about Montero is he doesn’t twitter.

  142. mick April 15th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    The one good thing I’ll say about Montero is he doesn’t twitter.
    ===========================
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    those guys just pitch and the strike outs come….they try to K guys in certain situations but they’ve evolved to a point where they just want to get outs as quick as possible. Every pitcher is different…..I like K’s…..K’s are good….it’s kinda like the #toomanyhomers argument…..homers are good but they need to be part of your attack and not the whole deal.

    Nova’s problem is that he gives up way too much hard contact….

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    My point was, Nova came up throwing a 95 sinker and an average curve, add the hellacious slider, given natural development and the Yankees were in business. Sometimes the most important part of the sermon is “Amen”

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    Nova’s problem is that he gives up way too much hard contact…
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    You don’t own a patent on the term “resource” as if it is a fixed thing and not one that can have many different meanings attached.

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  153. Against All Odds April 15th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    mick April 15th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
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    Try to understand this: what went on here was spearheaded by a tiny minority of fans that was incessant and maniacal in its scope.
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    I don’t see how you can blame his problems on Rothschild, and credit Kuroda at the same time, when Rothschild’s been with both guys the same amount of time.

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    According to luis, that is impossible.

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  159. Bo knows April 15th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

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    ———
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    Hughes, Nova and Phelps are in finishing school – what works at the Majors level. And I maintain that you have to set up a baseline – What got you here – and then refine. I’m not sure that Rothschild has done that. Development should be at the minors level. You want to rework Nova’s delivery, send him to AAA. Hughes has been tinkering his whole Majors career, he’s still in stasis. SOS.

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    yes….he has a long arm action (which I guess he’s trying to shorten) and he just I’m guessing shows the ball to the hitter a long time…..because even at 95 when he’s up and over the plate it just gets murdered.

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