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Yankees postgame: Train keeps rolling

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 17, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have now won three straight and seven of eight after this come-from-behind 4-3 win over Arizona. They’re 8-5 after the 1-4 start and despite all those marquee-name injuries.

“It’s early, but we’ve got a pretty good team,” CC Sabathia said. “The guys filling in are doing a great job.”

Travis Hafner would be one of those guys. After sitting around for two-plus hours, he sent up that pinch solo shot in the eighth. He’s now hitting .342 with four homers and eight RBI in 12 games.

“I’ve been swinging the bat pretty well,” Hafner said. “I’m having a great time.”

Diamondbacks manager Kirk Gibson did believe what he just saw from Hafner, hitting that first-pitch, 96 mph fastball from David Hernandez.

“He’s hit a lot out like that,” Gibson said. “Obviously, not a good spot to throw it.”

Gibson also wasn’t thrilled with lefty reliever Tony Sipp’s fastball away to Brett Gardner with the bases loaded and two outs in the seventh. That resulted in the tying two-run single.

“The ball is up and out over the plate, and give the guy some credit; he hit where he should have,” Gibson said.

Gardner was happier, saying, “With two outs and the bases loaded, it’s kind of all on you. It feels good to be able to come through.”

Sabathia threw 31 pitches in the two-run first, then threw just 77 over the next seven.

“I think he just battled through it,” Joe Girardi said. “We’ve seen CC do that a number of times where maybe he doesn’t have his ‘A’ stuff and he finds a way to keep you in the game and doesn’t give up big innings. There’s a lot that can be learned for how he goes about his business.”

I’ll have more from Girardi on Sabathia’s diminished velocity in my morning post.

 

 
 

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111 Responses to “Yankees postgame: Train keeps rolling”

  1. Jesus Bustero April 17th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    Betances for Montero I think would be a fair deal. G-nite Tar.

  2. Jesus Bustero April 17th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    “The door on Montero as a catcher is creaking shut”

    Has Randy seen this?

  3. Jesus Bustero April 17th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    Whatever happened to the door slammed in Cervelli’s face?

  4. Ys Guy April 17th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    cervelli is a much better catcher than montero ever will be.

    and let’s guess who has the better career OPS? (don’t hurt your brain on this one!)

  5. Pat M. April 17th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    I always though Jesus was overrated by an element of Yankee fans. He can’t hit a pitch in the down and away strike quad even if he had a butterfly net. The book on him was that he was a real good mistake hitter especially up and out or up and in. He’ll chase down and especially away all night long. As for catching I can only go by what I’ve seen and he’s a backup at best. Tin Cup says he’s better than that or will be so I respect The Cup’s call on this. It’s just that I’ve seen little to suggest this to be true. Then again I was a middle infielder and not a catcher

  6. Jesus Bustero April 17th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    I want to see Pineda healthy so we can celebrate a big win.

  7. Rich in NJ April 17th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Nick in SF April 17th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
    “It was stupid to trade him…”

    You’re not convincing anyone with such insulting verbiage.
    _

    Tell me why it was smart.

  8. Ys Guy April 17th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    yes…its true…

    cervelli career OPS: .709
    montero’s career OPS: .702

  9. Rich in NJ April 17th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    “He’ll chase down and especially away all night long.”

    Cano used to do that too.

  10. fantasygame101 April 17th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    If you walk nix to force in a run, you do not deserve a w. Great to see Francisco finally contribute.

  11. Nick in SF April 17th, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    “Tell me why it was smart.”

    I didn’t say it was smart, though it may end up looking so, but calling it stupid isn’t nice.

  12. Rich in NJ April 17th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Some people here know nothing about adjusting for park effects.

  13. Cashmoney April 17th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    my thoughts are these, Bustero, you seem to be little possessed with Montero. The article has it’s merits base on 15 games or whatever amount Montero has played. Dude, it does seem your sole intent to be on this forum is to trash Montero, then go ahead and help yourself.

  14. jacksquat April 18th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    Cano hit .297 his first year in the majors (22) and then .342 the next year (23).

    Probably should not mention Cano in the same breath as Cano.

  15. jacksquat April 18th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    er, Montero.

  16. Cashmoney April 18th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    This offense needs help against lefty starters.

  17. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    “I didn’t say it was smart, though it may end up looking so, but calling it stupid isn’t nice.”

    No one here traded him, so I will just ignore that part.

    When you have one ML ready prospect who can hit at all (and has already shown an ability to exploit the short RF dimensions in YS), on a team with key offensive players aging/declining, trading that prospect for a still developing, two-pitch pitcher under 26 (iow, greater injury susceptibility, when your organization is poor at developing pitchers, and that pitcher had injury issues and only a recent spike in velo, it makes very little sense.

  18. Pat M. April 18th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Rich in NJ…..My comments are based on a AL West club’s advance scouting report as of September 2012.

  19. Nick in SF April 18th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    So you don’t like the trade?

  20. UnKnown April 18th, 2013 at 12:05 am

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....ref=sports

    Good read here.

  21. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    “Probably should not mention Cano in the same breath as Cano.”

    Probably should look at mL stats because they matter with a player as in experienced as Montero:

    Player A: 278 .331 .425 .756
    Player B: .308 .366 .501 .867

  22. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    Pat

    Scouting reports are often wrong and since I can’t read them, it doesn’t carry much weight with me.

  23. Nick in SF April 18th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    “Since then, Cervelli has made public appearances at baseball clinics and charity events alongside Capriles in Venezuela, and has become an admirer.”

    A story first broken right here in the Lohud comments section. You’re late to the party, David Waldstein! :grin:

  24. Ys Guy April 18th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    ” Rich in NJ April 17th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Some people here know nothing about adjusting for park effects.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
    ok i stand corrected. when you adjust for park factors, montero is a batter hitter than franco cervelli.

    reserve a spot in cooperstown!

  25. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    “Dude, it does seem your sole intent to be on this forum is to trash Montero, then go ahead and help yourself.”

    I wonder if he likes David DeJesus????

  26. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Good evening,

    Excellent game… CC doesn’t have the old velo ( 88-90 ) tonight but he has become a pitcher… I do think he will be good for a long time… Maybe even have a shot at 300 W

    Great at bats from Gardy, Nunez, even Nix! ( two BB)… Hafner with a pinch hit homer!… FTR: I called it, just a day too early! :D

    Mo was amazing… He is retiring because he wants to… He could pitch at least two more seasons.

    ====================

    Pat M,

    He is anything but a mistake hitter… Russel was a mistake hitter… A batter that hits with authority the other way isn’t a mistake hitter, because by definition hitting oppo means letting the ball travel deep and pick the pitch to go the other way… A mistake hitter is a guesser by definition ( pool happy as a result )… Sure, he is not identifying the slider low and away… But in any case, I think it is too early to brand him a bust or mistake hitter.

  27. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:09 am
    “Dude, it does seem your sole intent to be on this forum is to trash Montero, then go ahead and help yourself.”

    I wonder if he likes David DeJesus????

    =======================

    My thoughts exactly ;)

  28. Pat M. April 18th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Rich in NJ…..Just keep that in mind everytime you watch Jesus dig in the box…..For all baseball fans you might want to catch Dodger games just a tad bit more because it’s possible the great Vince Scully might be calling it quits at seasons end. Dodger’s haven’t had a home rainout for over 1,000 straight games

  29. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Some Montero critics like Pat aside, it’s kind of amusing that many Cashman apologists always complain that he never gets credit for anything. Yet his critics regularly give him credit for what he has gotten right, while his defenders never acknowledge his serial and costly mistakes.

  30. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Ohh… By watching him tonight catch King Felix, he is doing a pretty good job behind the plate as well… I invite you to watch the highlights and see how many blocks he made

  31. jacksquat April 18th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    So far Montero is not looking like a “costly mistake”. So save that label re: Montero until he actually does something.

  32. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Rich,

    Maybe I got you wrong… But I think Pat is fair in his assessments whether we agree with it or not

  33. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    JS,

    It was a poor use of available assets… They should have gotten a bat

    But let’s move on… There is no point in continuing this debate… Nobody is going to convince anyone at this point

  34. Jesus Bustero April 18th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Rich is armed with a bazooka of hyperbole tonight. It’s a coping mechanism.

    Cashmoney I never wrote the article, so the trashing of Montero is being done through the lens of Seattle. My job is easy. I just drop links.

  35. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Nick,

    Good post :D Thanks you for sharing the info on Cervelli… Just for that I will root for him like I never have rooted for him.

  36. Jesus Bustero April 18th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    “The door on Montero as a catcher is creaking shut”

    I am merely an echo chamber for the voices of the Pacific Northwest.

  37. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    luis

    I didn’t say Pat wasn’t fair, and he understands the GM’s mistakes.

    Even if one doesn’t like Montero, trading him for Pineda wasn’t the way to go.

  38. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    “Rich is armed with a bazooka ”

    I like this.

  39. CompassRosy April 18th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    Nick in SF April 17th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
    Montero has one of Seattle’s two hits thus far tonight.

    ~ ~ ~ ~

    UPDATE: Jesus has one of Seattle’s seven hits thus far tonight.
    And, only one of their twelve strikeouts.

    Prince on the other hand, just received his second golden sombrero in as many nights
    (as he recorded four of the Tiggers thirteen strikeouts)

    bottom of the 9th, two on with no outs, Phil Coke coming in…

    ======

    down on the farm …
    Carlos Triunfel hit for the cycle :)

  40. 4TrainNorth April 18th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    I think the Jesus, unfortunately, begins to look even more suspect in light of what Trout and Harper have done. I mean, he’s no spring chicken anymore.

  41. Jesus Bustero April 18th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    Pineda was BPA. Beane wanted Montero AND Mason Williams PLUS more for Gio Gonzalez.

    Beane wasn’t fooled by Montero. He ended up with Jaso, which is fitting.

  42. Jesus Bustero April 18th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    hyperbole launched from a bazooka tickles and makes one chuckle. It does not inflict wounds of any sort.

  43. Cashmoney April 18th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    I would not mind Shoppach being on this team instead of Stewie. Anywho.

    Bustero, you are well within your rights to represent your view or someone else’s views on Montero. Personally, its gets old for me to read debate on this on nightly and gamely basis. Save your ammo in July, dude.

  44. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    Not every player have the same development learning curve… He is 23 you know…

    Rich,

    Agreed on both counts.

  45. 4TrainNorth April 18th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    I miss Good A.J.

  46. Tyler April 18th, 2013 at 12:34 am

    Cashmoney April 18th, 2013 at 12:30 am
    I would not mind Shoppach being on this team instead of Stewie. Anywho.
    ————————————————————————————-

    By early September, I’m really hoping that it’s Cervelli/Romine. He’s off to a great start in AAA but has to stay healthy. I think that’s a solid battery looking toward next year with Murphy/Sanchez moving up.

  47. Jesus Bustero April 18th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    I have other opinions. Like what do you do when the drought returns?

    This is what I would do.

    1) I would replace Overbay with Teixeira. This is a no brainer based on defense alone
    2) I would trade Granderson. I feel like we have enough with Gardner, Wells, Ichiro and Boesch (who I really like.
    3) I would keep Nunez in the lineup at SS or as RH DH and rest Jeter’s ankle at DH
    4) I would rehab Alex Rodriguez indefinitely.

  48. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Bustero is a gimmick poster disguised as a gimmick poster.

  49. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    “I would replace Overbay with Teixeira”

    Shrewd.

  50. Jesus Bustero April 18th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    Just be yourself Rich. What I want to know is, when I hear your hyperbole I picture a high pitched whiney voice. Is your voice high pitched when you get excitable? I could be off.

  51. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:39 am

    You got me, dude. Now give us some more great insights.

  52. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    Maybe he is not who we think he is… Could he be the guy from Seta 3 beta or whatever

  53. Jerkface April 18th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    I always though Jesus was overrated by an element of Yankee fans. He can’t hit a pitch in the down and away strike quad even if he had a butterfly net.

    Someone tell Kuroda this. Maybe sliders down and away, but no one can hit those. Key there is not to swing at them. Montero can take pitches in the zone down and away out to RF. He’s done it at the major league level.

  54. 4TrainNorth April 18th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    When Tex comes back, is he gonna do his usual April thing, or can he skip the swoon and play to the actual calendar month?

  55. Jesus Bustero April 18th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    Maybe Tex will have a Vernon Wells revelation followed by reinvention.

  56. Pat M. April 18th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    Alright, who woke up The Face ???? I don’t recall mentioning anything about a slider !!!!

  57. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    The very inpatient hitter has taken a walk after getting the count full and have an at bat of 8 pitches

  58. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    I did Face…

  59. Jerkface April 18th, 2013 at 12:49 am

    Alright, who woke up The Face ???? I don’t recall mentioning anything about a slider !!!!

    ??? Well then you’re just being flat out wrong. Remember that perfect fastball Kuroda put on the outside part of the plate that Montero knocked over the short porch? He can hit fastballs down and away, but he swings out of the zone too much is the problem.

  60. CompassRosy April 18th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Greg Johns ?@GregJohnsMLB 2m
    Speedy Jesus Montero leads off bottom of 10th with a walk. #Mariners just need a gapper – or two — to push him around.

  61. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    On my post to Pat M, I used the term “Pool happy” it should say “Pull happy”… Sorry

  62. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    And it wouldn’t be surprising if the frustration of hitting at Safeco has made him less selective.

  63. Jesus Bustero April 18th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    The fact that he rarely walks and strikes out at a high rate in comparison is compounded by his slow speed. I wouldn’t give him anything to hit and if he ends up a duck on the pond, so be it. He runs like an amoeba.

  64. Jerkface April 18th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    Seattle has a bunch of people busting hard. Seager, Smoak, Ackley, Montero. Zunino better hope he doesn’t get called up as the Mariners are cursed.

  65. luis April 18th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 12:51 am
    And it wouldn’t be surprising if the frustration of hitting at Safeco has made him less selective.

    ========================

    Yes… He doesn’t have our short porch, which his swing was tailor made for

  66. Jesus Bustero April 18th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    That’s right and if we could get our hands on Franklin Gutierrez he would hit like Ken Griffey Jr. in his prime in Yankees Stadium. It’s like magic.

  67. luis April 18th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Rich,

    He has k’d six times in 42 at bats… He had his first walk tonight

  68. luis April 18th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Good night everyone… Going to bed

  69. Bo knows April 18th, 2013 at 1:22 am

    It was a very good game and all that’s on is the same old tired argument pro and contra.

  70. Nick in SF April 18th, 2013 at 1:58 am

    Bitter words won’t heal broken hearts. :cry:

  71. Nick in SF April 18th, 2013 at 2:34 am

    I’m rooting for Montero here in the 14th. The kid needs a break.

  72. Nick in SF April 18th, 2013 at 2:36 am

    It didn’t help.

  73. charlestonchew April 18th, 2013 at 3:47 am

    Watching footage of Pineda pitching… man I can see why he got injured. He has an awfully jerky, full-effort delivery. Not so sure he’s gonna come back throwing 96 again. Will be interesting to see. I hope he’s not another Dontrelle Willis.

  74. Doreen April 18th, 2013 at 6:51 am

    Regardless of where you fall on the Montero trade, there are people in Seattle growing impatient with him and the writings reflect that. I was curious why Montero was being benched so often, since he’s on my fantasy team, so I tried to find info in the Seattle media.

    There is the article that Bustero posted. There is this one dissecting his inability to run:

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013.....irst-base/

    And more…

  75. Doreen April 18th, 2013 at 7:04 am

    This article talks about his pitch framing, with graphics:

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013.....e-guessed/

    I do not know how credible those writing about this are. I do not know if they have a particular bone to pick with Montero. If oue rosy sees this id love to know her opinion of the sources of these writings.

    Anyway, I would guess though that all is not rosy for him out there. And, they did move in the fences, but I don’t know how they compare to YS.

    He’s 23. He can surely improve, and I do hope he does, and does not get bogged down in all the negative anti-hype out there

    But the concerns about him are real in Seattle. And patience seems at a premium there, as it sometimes is here.

    *******
    I had to miss last night’s game. But I saw Hafner’s PH homerun on the replay later on. I had fallen asleep and woke up right before it! Nice come from behind win. Is it okay it wasn’t a walkoff? ;)

    Better to go ahead in the 8th and give Mo the save ops, right? :)

  76. Doreen April 18th, 2013 at 7:06 am

    Darn iPad. If our Rosy sees my posts and the links, I would like her opinion on the credibility of the sources. Sorry for the mashed up sentence above.

  77. MG April 18th, 2013 at 7:33 am

    It sounds like CC has resigned himself to possibly being a guy who throws 90 instead of 95+:
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....XFuHtBCEVI

    CC knows how to pitch and the reduced velocity isn’t going make that much of a difference, he’s given up 5 runs over his last 3 starts at a time of the season where he usually isn’t all that good.

    CC is smart enough to pitch within himself so if the velocity comes back eventually he will be even better

    The Yankees and their fans are really fortunate to have a guy like CC, we’ll look back in 15-20 years and truly understand that.

  78. ac1 April 18th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    This is what I would do.

    1) I would replace Overbay with Teixeira. This is a no brainer based on defense alone
    2) I would trade Granderson. I feel like we have enough with Gardner, Wells, Ichiro and Boesch (who I really like.
    3) I would keep Nunez in the lineup at SS or as RH DH and rest Jeter’s ankle at DH
    4) I would rehab Alex Rodriguez indefinitely.
    ___

    This is what I would do also, given the circumstances.
    I would also ask Tex to give up on hitting lefty, at least for 2013. (we need him on the right more, and the fear of his wrist is while batting lefty)….
    I agree Boesch and Wells should be able to handle the OF and Grandy may pull something back for us.
    I also think they should just do Cano’s extension and move onto the next issue, instead of waiting until the season ends. They are going to pay him and it will probably be around 8/200 or 8/220 or something like that…. But you also HAVE TO, or else there is no center to this team in 2014/2015 etc…

  79. theREALkevin April 18th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    Bustero,

    You are sad excuse for a human being. I seriously have no idea how you continue to look yourself in the mirror, let alone waste so many hours of your pathetic life being a sack of **** on a Yankee blog. Your presence has long soured this website, and I assume you accomplish the same in any setting that you’re in. I feel sorry that you continue to be such a miserable person because I can only imagine how awful it must be for you and the people around you. Personally I will probably never stop coming here because part of me loves this place. But I’ll never stop hoping that I don’t see you here. That day might never come; if it does, the blog will instantly benefit from getting rid of your incredible bitterness and anger. You’re ****ing repulsive bro.

  80. blake April 18th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    My thoughts re: Montero

    I was a big proponent of him when he was with the Yankees….I watched him a lot and thought and still think he has special offensive tools regarding his swig and bat speed etc…..

    That said….succeeding in the bigs isn’t just about those things…..it’s mainly about being able to make adjustments and so far Montero hasn’t been able to do that.

    Big league advanced scouts an pitchers will find guys weaknesses and exploit them until the player adjusts….that’s what’s happening and he’s not adjusting to it…..he’s still very young but at this point we should start seein some improvement and progress soon. You can have all the tools in the world but if you can’t combat what the pitcher is doing then it doesn’t matter…..the difference between AAA pitching and big league pitching destroys a percentage of players…..they just can’t figure out that jump.

    I’m not saying Montero is finished or that he’s a bust….he may still figure it out and unlock th physical ability that’s there….but with him really having no other plus skills he really has to be a plus hitter to have value …..we’ll see…..maybe a fresh start somewhere else would help him

  81. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    Then buy low, Cashman.

    “Seattle has a bunch of people busting hard. Seager, Smoak, Ackley, Montero. Zunino better hope he doesn’t get called up as the Mariners are cursed”

    As Jerkface pointed out why do so many offensive prospects flounder in Safeco?

  82. austinmac April 18th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    I have said for a long time, Montero will be successful if he will quit chases breaking balls off the plate. If he doesn’t, he will go the way of many before him.

    With all of Montero’s issues, he is still more likely to have a successful career than Pineda at this point. We need to see if he is in the middle 90s. If he is, he would be an exception to the norm.

  83. MG April 18th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    ac1, Teix isn’t going to hit right handed all the time either this year or any year.

    He’s been switch hitting his whole life, you can’t suddenly decide to bat against right handed pitchers from the right side at the major league level-he would probably hit way under .200.

    It isn’t like he’d be facing Tim Wakefield and be timing 70 mph pitches. It’s a completely different angle, ball movement, etc, etc, etc-they would eat him up.

    Mickey Mantle was also a much better hitter from the right side when he got towards the end of his career, he couldn’t hit a high fastball if his life depended on it towards the end. He never tried it (except against a knuckleball pitcher) andTeix won’t either.

  84. Crawdaddy April 18th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    “If he is, he would be an exception to the norm.”

    What’s the exception to the norm?

  85. blake April 18th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    “As Jerkface pointed out why do so many offensive prospects flounder in Safeco?”

    It’s a good point….no young player hits there…. Id love to buy low on Ackley

  86. austinmac April 18th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    Full recovery from labral surgery is unusual. Schilling did it. Most you never hear of again.

  87. Crawdaddy April 18th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    There are different types of Labrum surgery though. Pineda’s was unique compared to most of them.

  88. blake April 18th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    “He’s been switch hitting his whole life, you can’t suddenly decide to bat against right handed pitchers from the right side at the major league level-he would probably hit way under .200.”

    I agree…. It’s be difficult at this point. I don’t honestly think Tex can physically be what he used to be….he’s in decline.

    What my hope is… Is that he can continue to hit LHP well …play defense well….and hit some homers and draw some walks vs RHP….it won’t make him worth 23 million per but it’ll make him have good value

  89. austinmac April 18th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    This team is playing far above my expectations at this point. How have the crowds been? The announced crowd of 35,000 looked larger than what was there?

  90. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Trading for Seattle’s busting offensive prospects may be exploiting a new market inefficiency.

    As for Pineda, again, I think Schilling’s experience may provide the the best example of why there could be hope for him, but he has to be taking his rehab and getting in the best shape if his life with almost a religious fervor (who knows). Expectations have to be tempered for another year, and he should not be rushed.

  91. MTU April 18th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Greetings Earthlings.

    I am finally home from special assignment.

    But I return to find the same old arguments.

    Ones that need the benefit of time to answer.

    ;)

  92. MTU April 18th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Rich-

    Actually the best overall comp in the positive would be Anibal Sanchez.

  93. MTU April 18th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    For those interested I repost this article on the likely outcomes of labrum surgery :

    http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=16634

    It’s very well done and informative.

  94. MG April 18th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    all of the dislike of Montero on this blog was caused by the constant complaints from several posters that he was a ‘generational’ bat and never should have been traded.

    He’s already proved that he isn’t a generational bat because players like Rodriguez and Griffey Jr (in the 90′s), Harper and Trout (now) are the true stars of an era that rarely come along and don’t need much time to adjust and thrive at the major league level.

    They excel very early at the major league level because they are different than all of the other prospects, that’s why they rarely come along, just like the Mick was back in his day.

    But the complaints continue, the excuses grow-why not just say he hasn’t yet lived up to your expectations and it’s disappointing? That’s the truth and the truth, just like Rasheed Wallace’s trademark ‘ball don’t lie’, don’t lie either.

  95. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    MTU

    The reason I mention Schilling is that he actually increased his velo, and he did it by being faithful to his rehab and getting in the best shape of his life. He is very optimistic about Pineda’s recovery if he does the same thing.

  96. MTU April 18th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    So. It looks like the “Bandaid Brigade” is exceeding expectations so far.

    Please keep it up Men.

    :)

  97. MTU April 18th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Rich-

    The baseball prospectus study kind of lays out the likely outcomes.

  98. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    all of the dislike of Montero on this blog
    -

    All? Please, some people just support anything the Yankees do.

    And the generational thing is a canard. The major complaint is that they needed more, not less, young bats. That view has been proved correct.

  99. MG April 18th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Pineda, to me, is a complete, 100% question mark.

    It’s impossible to gauge how he will throw when his rehab is complete.

    When he’s throwing in real games against live competition maybe then you can either be encouraged or discouraged.

    If I drove over to the Yankees minor league complex and watched him throw a bullpen the only thing I could say was whether he looked like he was throwing free and easy and if the catcher’s glove was popping. That just isn’t enough to make any kind of judgment, at least IMO.

  100. Crawdaddy April 18th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    “Please, some people just support anything the Yankees do.”

    And some people just crap over anything the Yankees do.

  101. Crawdaddy April 18th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    There will be time to judge Pineda probably starting in late May or early June.

  102. MTU April 18th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    It’s gonna take a while to fully judge Pineda.

    While the short-term prognosis might be good or acceptable. The longer term prognosis is where the rubber truly meets the road.

    I hope he beats the odds.

    ;)

  103. MG April 18th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 8:37 am
    all of the dislike of Montero on this blog
    -

    All? Please, some people just support anything the Yankees do.

    And the generational thing is a canard. The major complaint is that they needed more, not less, young bats. That view has been proved correct.
    ———————————–
    no, there were lots of posts all last season calling Montero a generational bat, I guess you missed those.

    As for needing more young bats, there are 30 major league teams that need those, you have any to spare?

  104. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    And some people just crap over anything the Yankees do.
    -

    I wish I had a bookie in my office; I would have won.

    Two or so days ago, you posted that Cashman wasn’t at fault for A-Rod.

    I followed on by saying that the trade and the recommendation against re-signing him were his two best moves.

    When he gets it right, he gets credit.

    The major problem is that there have been signs for several years that the offensive core needed to be replaced by younger hitters, and to this point he has failed to do that, and he cannot develop starters.

    Not to mention the pitching holds the keys to the kingdom thing.

  105. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    As for needing more young bats, there are 30 major league teams that need those, you have any to spare?
    -

    Then why trade AJack and Montero? Why not trade for Upton? They can’t develop and keep one since 2006?

  106. MTU April 18th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    New thread ——>

  107. blake April 18th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Even if Montero busts and never becomes anything they still shouldn’t have traded him….because of the reasons he was dealt and because the teams needs.

    He was traded because they wanted a young pitcher with impact potential and they didnt want to pay for one…..and young offense was and is still something they need.

    They could have signed Yu Darvish and not had to trade anyone and that’s what they would have done if they hadnt been trying to trim the payroll to get below the luxury tax.

    So even if Montero busts and Pineda comes back throwing 98 I still didnt like the thought process or the reasons behind the trade.

  108. MG April 18th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Rich in NJ April 18th, 2013 at 8:53 am
    As for needing more young bats, there are 30 major league teams that need those, you have any to spare?
    -

    Then why trade AJack and Montero? Why not trade for Upton? They can’t develop and keep one since 2006?
    ——————–
    they traded Jackson for an established big league hitter in Granderson and that’s bad but they should have traded a bunch of prospects, including some of the young outfielders, for Upton, another established major league hitter and that’s good?

    What if they traded for Upton and he regressed to his brother’s level while one of the prospects they traded, maybe Tyler Austin, became an All Star? Would you then criticize them for making the trade?

    Of course you will say that Upton is much better than Granderson (which can’t be defined at this point in time) but didn’t Grandy have an almost MVP year in 2011?

  109. Crawdaddy April 18th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “I wish I had a bookie in my office; I would have won.”

    You would have won nothing since I didn’t say I was talking about you perse. However, you seem to always point out those that support the Yankees 100% without taking issue with those that never support Yankee management.

    As to Cashman, you want him gone. Cool, you’re not alone in that regard. I have no problem if ownership makes that change since this is his 8th season in control of baseball operations. With that said, I have a bigger problem with the Yankee ownership because I think they have restricted their baseball operations. I don’t have any proof of that, but it’s a feeling a had for a long time that whomever is the Yankee GM will have some difficulty with the Steinbrenners, Levine and Trost.

  110. pat April 18th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    “Two or so days ago, you posted that Cashman wasn’t at fault for A-Rod. I followed on by saying that the trade and the recommendation against re-signing him were his two best moves. When he gets it right, he gets credit.”

    No one ever mentions that Cashman wanted to negotiate to extend Alex so losing the $21 million dollars from Texas was his issue not giving him more years and money.

  111. yankeefeminista April 18th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Right SNyder getting more reps.


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