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Postgame notes: “You have an idea what I’m going to say”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 21, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For such an unpredictable pitcher, today’s game was remarkably familiar. Ivan Nova wasn’t awful — in fact, there were times his stuff looked great — but he wasn’t very good either. He put a lot of guys on base (but got out of some jams). He took a no decision (but started the letdown that caused the loss). He more or less gave the Yankees a chance to win (but not nearly well enough to carry them to a series sweep).

“I’m not throwing strikes and that’s making me mad,” Nova said. “I know I can do better than this. … If I throw a good fastball, the next one is — I’m not going to say the word because it’s on TV, but I think you have an idea what I’m going to say.”

When the sixth inning started, Nova was already had 90 pitches and had let the leadoff hitter reach base in four of five innings, but Joe Girardi stuck with him for a fairly basic and obvious reason.

“I thought he actually threw the ball pretty well today,” Girardi said. “But that’s an inning that we need to get some outs. … He’s got to be able to give us more than 90 pitches.”

This was the first time in three starts that Nova allowed more than one extra-base hit — two doubles, including his last pitch of the game — and he’d generally done a good job of limiting the damage heading into that sixth inning. But with Nova, it’s becoming hard to predict what he’s going to do from game to game, inning to inning, and pitch to pitch.

“He’ll throw one pitch down and away, and the next pitch will be up and in,” Chris Stewart said. “Obviously the results are not what you’re looking for in being able to repeat it, but we’ve got to get there. And when he’s able to repeat it, he’s going to be real good.”

The Yankees have seen Nova when he’s real good. They also left him off last year’s playoff roster for a reason. It’s easiest to blame the mechanics, but Nova said that’s not it.

“I feel good with my mechanics,” he said. “I’m just not repeating my pitches, repeating my pitches when I have to. … I threw like six, five walks. That’s too many in a ballgame. It’s not only the sixth inning, not throwing strikes. I’m just not with myself right now. We’re going to continue working, there’s no doubt about it. I feel like I can do better than this — I know I can do better than this — so I just have to go and try to find a way to do it.”

• Boone Logan faced one batter, who sent a broken-bat floater into shallow left-center field for a weak single. Of course, Logan took the loss as wins and losses continues to be the best way to measure a pitcher.

• David Phelps was charged with a blown save. He also allowed a pivotal broken-bat hit — got in on the handle against Brett Lawrie, who managed to keep a sharply hit ball just inside fair territory for a go-ahead double. This was a second straight rocky outing for Phelps, coming immediately after a terrific four innings of relief last Saturday. “It’s frustrating,” Phelps said. “I’m kind of getting behind guys without anybody on, and when I’ve got guys on, I’ve really got to try to bear down. I’m just not making pitches. I’m not putting guys away when I need to be.”

• Phelps on the home run to J.P. Arencibia: “Fastball that was just middle, center cut (after) trying to go away. Just got to do better. That’s all it boils down to. Just not getting the job done right now.”

• Nova on showing his frustration (and whether bad pitches carry over): “It’s not that it affects the whole game, just with that pitch and forget it. Make the next pitch. It’s not that every time I hit my glove they’re going to take me out of the game. I just want to make that pitch. I feel mad but I forget it. Make the next pitch.”

• Down four runs, down to the final out, Travis Hafner tried to bunt for a hit. He went after a breaking ball, kind of jabbed at it and sent a horrible bunt back to the pitcher. “I don’t have a problem with that,” Girardi said. “He just bunted it too far towards the pitcher. Whatever a guy’s comfortable doing, I’m OK with it. We need base runners. Now, if it’s 6-4, I wouldn’t have been OK with it.”

• Hafner said he couldn’t remember ever bunting for a hit, but he had almost the entire left side of the infield and a single was basically just as good as a home run in that situation. He kind of shrugged it off as a worth-a-shot situation.

• Speaking of which, Hafner stole a base today. It’s his first of the season. Told afterward that it was the 10th steal of his career, Hafner smiled. “Milestone,” he said.

• While Hafner was bunting and stealing bases, Chris Stewart was homering to preserve the Yankees streak of eight straight road games with a home run. “Fastball, middle in, 3-2 count,” Stewart said. “I knew he was going to come after me. Fortunately was able to put a good swing on it.” The Yankees haven’t had a road home run streak this long since 2002.

• Vernon Wells has reached base in seven straight games. This was his sixth multi-hit game of the season, and he had seven hits in this three-game series. After a terrific catch that resulted in a double play, Wells tipped his cap to the Toronto crowd that has booed him throughout the series.

• Robinson Cano has reached base in 15 of 17 games this season.

• Girardi said it’s likely Kevin Youkilis will play against Tampa Bay. “He’s better,” Girardi said. “I think there’s a pretty decent possibility he’ll be a player for us tomorrow.”

• The Yankees are now 3-7 when the opposition scores first and 1-7 when losing after six innings.

• Big picture final word from Girardi: “Our goal is to take every series, and if you can do that, you’ll be in good shape come September. It’s not the way you want to leave, but we won two out of three here. This place can be tough to play and our guys did a pretty good job.”

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196 Responses to “Postgame notes: “You have an idea what I’m going to say””

  1. joeman April 21st, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Now and then I call your name
    And suddenly your face appears
    But it’s just a crazy game
    When it ends, it ends in tears

  2. fantasygame101 April 21st, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    The coaches, managers and nova are kidding themselves if they think Nova has gotten to the point that he can control his pitches enough to get out of 3 balls count. If it is up to me, I will send him down with a message to get hitters out on 4 pitches max with groundouts. Locate your pitches down and if you give up runs bec. the batters found holes on the field then so be it, instead you are giving up bullets and walks bec. of afraid of contacts early on.

  3. joeman April 21st, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Many a tear has to fall
    But its all in the game
    All in the wonderful game

  4. blake April 21st, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    They should move Phelps to the rotation where he’d be able to get on a regular schedule…. Send Nova to AAA and make a 40 man move so they could call up Montgomery to take Phelps’s spot in the pen

  5. blake April 21st, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    If Pineda comes back healthy then Nova and Phelps both will get the boot most likely come July or whenever

  6. mick April 21st, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Nova will eventually be traded if he remains inconsistent. It’s just a matter of time and who they can replace him with.
    If it’s just immaturity, how do you know or rather how long can you wait for maturity to kick in.
    Believe it or not, some young pitchers are mature at an early age. Evidently he is not.

  7. mick April 21st, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    You know it’s just a matter of time before Wang is called up.

  8. mick April 21st, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    We are talking about their #5 starter. Hughes should be a good #4.
    CC, Kuroda and Andy are the heart of this team so we are in good stead.
    They will keep the pen from being overworked.
    Nova could be a decent chip.

  9. Captain Clutch April 21st, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Nova has had this problem for a while now. It’s not like a bad game here or there. Being patient with him is nice but I really don’t think they can continue to send him out there like this. He changed his mechanics and things were supposed to be better but obviously nothing has changed.

  10. mick April 21st, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    I think Nova needs to be in a place where he can relax. Like the Royals or some team like that.
    It did IPK a world of good to get out of here as I believe it will help Phil next year.

  11. Pat M. April 21st, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    mick…..I think for now, the Yanks view Ivan Nova as an insurance marker in the event Hughes walks. Also until Pineda returns Nova stays, however Ivan is becoming a guy that’s hard to figure out….He has really good stuff, it’s staying focused for the duration of a game that hurts him…It’s as if he gets distracted and mentally begins to wander away from the strike zone……It’s time for him to be counted on

  12. Captain Clutch April 21st, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Also they have to send Warren to AAA and actually use that last roster spot. It doesn’t make any sense to have someone taking up a spot that will never be used. I would like them to bring up Adams but it doesn’t seem like they will ever give him a chance.

  13. mick April 21st, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    pat m…it seems easy with nova as he lacks focus, again he is seemingly immature and when does that end, you know they won’t wait. they should be able to get a 5th starter and a prospect in a deal for him and I think they will.

  14. mick April 21st, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    I think they are overusing Phelps now and are going to destroy him.
    He no longer has the role of only longman but as the all access guy.
    He looked spent when he came in today to get out of a jam , not sharp as he usually is.
    This is the problem, so far with the 4 and 5 starters, they are pen killers.
    They will settle for reliability soon, 6 decent innings every time, instead of this nonsense…

  15. Benny Blanco April 21st, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    One would have to think that if wang starts to pitch well he will be inserted into the rotation to replace nova.

  16. fantasygame101 April 21st, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    nuno actually is waiting on the wings and wang if he makes steady progess will be in 2 to 3 weeks.

  17. Pat M. April 21st, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Benny Blanco……Word is that Michael Pineda is busting high octaine heat and could be on a rehab assignment as soon as the weather warms up….I think he’ll be in Da Bronx before The Wang-Man

  18. MTU April 21st, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    IMO opinion Nova’s inconsistent command is more a result of poor mechanics than anything mental.

    He has trouble repeating his delivery w the FB.

    They tried to change things but so far it is not helping.

    One wonders if he will ever find it.

    Time is running out for Ivan w. the Yankess.

    Perhaps he needs another AAA stint.

  19. yankfan1 April 21st, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Everyone is putting the blame on Cano, but Phelps didnt exactly pitch great either. Both guys have done little to assert a spot in the rotation. Oh Pineda, where are you?

  20. yankfan1 April 21st, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    *whoa i meant Nova

  21. MTU April 21st, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    I don’t like the way that Phelps has been yo-yo’ed around.

  22. Hassey April 21st, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Anyone care to wonder with me why Logan is still in Pinstripes, and how long before he’s in Pitt also? Ron Villone anyone?

  23. mick April 21st, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    I am starting to think they don’t believe Phelps will be a starter here.
    I am thinking they are looking at he and Nova as trade chips.
    Unless they think they can abuse Phelps as the versatile reliever until he burns out.

  24. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....art-85376/

  25. MTU April 21st, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    mick-

    That thought has ocurred to me too. They do not seem to treat Phelps w much respect.

    To some extent Phelps has been a victim of his own versatility.

    Nova they have tested. Phelps they really haven’t.

  26. MTU April 21st, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    It’s Phelps command, and assortment of stuff which distinguishes him.

    Perhaps the Yankees don’t find that sexy enough ?

    FWIS the guy knows how to pitch and can get guys out with his repetoire. He also has a high IQ which can’t hurt.

  27. 4 NYY April 21st, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Finally, I see someone mentioned Nuno. I really like the looks of that guy. He looks like a starting ML pitcher right now to me. Just something about him.

    Phelps, it seems has done well when he relieves early in a game, but not from 5th on, for some reason. Still, he needs to start somewhere.

    Nova has good “stuff” but can’t seem to make it work for many inn. at a time. Is his FB too straight? IDK

    Maybe both he and Hughes need a change of scenery.

    This is NOT an outstanding Yankee team and I expect some to be traded at deadline. The next 2 years are gonna see a lot of changes.

  28. 4 NYY April 21st, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Meant 6th inn. on for Phelps.

  29. RadioKev April 21st, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    I liked the Hafner bunt, actually. It was worth a shot.

  30. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Don’t love the match up coming up with the Rays, I think yanks be lucky getting out there with a win. I think the offense will struggle mightily next 3 games.

  31. MG April 21st, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    If Pat M’s info is correct then Pineda, if he keeps progressing, will be in the rotation by August. Nova has been very ordinary (or worse) for almost a full season, that’s a long time to stick by a guy when you are in contention.

    Nuno is a guy that really impressed me this spring-he’s lefty, knows how to pitch, has really good command, and is doing well in AAA.

    If you could clone Banuelos’ stuff with Nuno’s ability to pitch you probably have a Cy Young candidate. Would spending $50-100M to develop the cloning capability count against the AAV of the resultant pitcher from the cloning?

  32. MG April 21st, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 8:31 pm
    Don’t love the match up coming up with the Rays, I think yanks be lucky getting out there with a win. I think the offense will struggle mightily next 3 games.
    ——————
    Cashmoney, I live in Tampa, they suck.

    All 3 of their fans are ready to give up on them, they can’t hit, can’t score runs, can’t play defense, their bullpen isn’t good, and Price is more interested in a big contract than pitching for the Rays (all taken from talk shows over the past few days, including the hosts). :)

  33. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    MG, that’s 200 dollars in a motel problem, Nuno plus Bam and third party, presumably female, BAM! Cashman can supervised, eta 22 years from now.

  34. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    MG, their fans suck even when they made to WS. I am just saying i don’t love NY offense in this series. But what do I know.

  35. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    The Wang is throwing 88 mph and touching 90 once. I don’t know about Wang and ML unless he has reinvented himself with more of a repertoire. Nuno is very intriguing to me, at worse, they can ship Warren down and bring him up to have a look.

  36. austinmac April 21st, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    MG,

    Clone Koufax. He can still throw about 80 at his age.

  37. MG April 21st, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Nuno’s stats at Scranton kind of jump off the page at you:

    23.1 innings in 4 starts
    14 hits
    4 runs (all earned)
    2 BB
    26 K

  38. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
    Rafael De Paula 5.0 0 0 3 10 0 3.63

    Groundouts-flyouts: De Paula 2-1
    Batters faced: De Paula 18.
    ______
    4 of the K’s were caught looking. I wonder how long it takes to move him to Tampa.

  39. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Dodgers show me some spunks in coming back against the Os today.

  40. MG April 21st, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    austinmac April 21st, 2013 at 8:43 pm
    MG,

    Clone Koufax. He can still throw about 80 at his age.
    —————–
    mac, read the DN today, there is an article about a NJ HS kid, Rob Kaminsky, who is lefty and supposed to throw 94 with a really good hook and doesn’t walk many.

    He’s supposed to go in the 1st round of the draft.

  41. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    YF, that’s impressive, I haven’t seen him. He is much older than his competition, we will examine how he ‘rolls’ when he is moved up. But stay healthy, goddamit!

  42. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    Some of you talk the talk re: bringing up young players, But have no patience at all when young players struggle.

    I’m afraid nobody we have coming up is going to be a Trout or Strasberg. I can see Musty, Nuno, Montgomery, etc being “tarred and feathered when they go through the learning process. It’s going to be ugly on here, and its a shame.

    This should be a rebuilding year anyway, let the young guys figure things out. This is not the win at all costs Yankees, this is the 189 yankees. It just doesn’t happen overnight. Next year they are going to need all the young starters they can muster. Phelps and Nova are still young (cheap) players and both have shown enough talent, at least for me, to accept their struggles as part of the development process. Stars probably not, useful parts of the 189 rotation, definitely yes.

    I would send Phelps down, but thats so he can stay stretched out as a starter. I would also get rid of dead weight like Francisco and asap Nix. Give some guys with a future some reps.

    They are off to a good start and some are losing sight of the big picture, at least IMO.

  43. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Flush 2013? Say it ain’t so, Tar. :cry:

  44. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Cash, I would love to see De Paula move fast. I just hope he is still in Charleston, which I expect he will be, when they come to NJ in a couple of weeks.

    In his final ST game for the Nats last year, Wang’s sinker touched 93 and was around 90-91. So, hopefully, his velo goes up the more he pitches. I remember in that 2012 ST game against us before he got hurt, Wang was throwing a nasty new curveball. I wonder what he threw in the SWB game. The coverage was not very good. Can anyone read Taiwanese? I know there were a bunch of Taiwanese media at the game.

  45. 4 NYY April 21st, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Tar, Mg., I think we see the picture quite clear.

    A couple of years from now,( maybe 3 ) a pretty new team.

  46. Madrugador April 21st, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Agree with you in part TAR.
    Nova may turn out to be a reasonable #5 starter. I think the Yankees are hoping that and are going to give him every chance to become that. I am not sure that can happen. I also would like to see Phelps stretched out at AAA. They need to see if he can start or not and they can’t learn that with him pitching out of the pen.
    This is a transition year. I am sure Cash will say that they were built to compete but given the players on this team, if they don’t pitch really well, I don’t think they will compete well. Today was a great example. The game was winnable if the pitchers could keep the Jays <4 runs. That is tough to do every day and so competing well will be tough.

  47. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    “Flush 2013? Say it ain’t so, Tar.”

    No, but have realistic expectations. A plan for the future would be nice as well.

    They have a great veteran core, infuse that with as much of the future youth as possible.

  48. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    What about Nunez?

    Easily in the bottom quarter of fielding shortstops.

    Throws even worse.

    Allegedly a reasonable ML hitter.

    Barfing in today at .175

    So this is the best of our youth program ?

    Sheeeeeeesh.

    Any reclamation projects out there to buy us some time till Jeter gets back (who knows how effective)….or we simply need to look elsewhere for a ML shortstop…

    Who’s an option ???

  49. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Success in 2013 is ruled out?

  50. itsgonnabealongseason April 21st, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Nunez showing he’s not a ML quality shortstop either offensively or defensively.

  51. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Success in 2013 is ruled out?
    ——
    Cashmoney decrees- success in 2013 in major league rule out for Pineda!

  52. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Exhibit A

    Upstate

  53. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    Overbay has been a welcome surprise;
    but is only here because the crappy throwing of Nunez…
    otherwise Rivera would’ve made the team instead.

  54. Jerkface April 21st, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    Nuno exhibiting insane control & command in AAA. Very intriguing.

  55. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Who’s at SS at AAA ?

  56. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    SSS on Nunez, and no way Maruszak is viable.

  57. luis April 21st, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Good evening everyone,

    Tar… Good posts… Right on the money

    Nunez has improved tremendously, he has quite a few very good plays… He is bound to make mistakes… We don’t know for sure how is the wrist holding up after being hit…. I know patience is not a common treat of the Yankee fan, but in this case we have no choice, so please give the kid some time to grow.

    Nova: If he manages to get consistent mechanics he is much more than a 5th SP…. He has a nasty slider, a nasty CB, a workable CU, if he manages to consistently keep the ball down with the FB look out.

  58. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    An upgrade over Nix… I mentioned earlier about Mike Aviles of Clev, There are probably few that might fit the bill. I leave Nunez alone at least til July to make a more accurate assessment.

  59. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    not good.

    Wonder what clubs have solid long-term Shortstops….AND…

    decent AAA or backups that may be available ???

  60. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    “success in 2013 in major league rule out for Pineda!”

    Get this kid to the Bronx. He has a destiny to fulfill.

  61. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    looks like Pit has discovered Snyder’s bat has potentials… There goes my little dream of Cashman trading for Travis. Chances are, C probably never heard of him.

  62. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    *Snider.

  63. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Nunez:

    “…but in this case we have no choice…”

    Sad, but true….

    I really hope Cashman is working on something.

  64. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Maybe 1 more start for Charleston and then it’s time to get Depaula to Tampa….he’s too good for that league. Get him to Tampa now and maybe he can finish the season in AA

  65. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    It’s early, but Travis Snyder’s .422 OBP is excellent.

    Pull hitter ?

    Flyballs/HomeRuns ?

  66. Madrugador April 21st, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Absolutely Luis, if Nova gains some consistent mechanics, he will be more than a #5. He hasn’t been able to have consistent mechanics for a long time. SD sent him back after the rule 5 draft so they didn’t think he could make it either. I hope Nova turns into a major league pitcher but I am starting to doubt that will happen.
    Early day tomorrow. Night all.

  67. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Ahem, blake. Two more starts, so that I get to see him in Lakewood.

  68. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Blake

    You must be exhausted! :D

    Are you following the NBA play-offs at all? It seems like there are Heels everywhere. Just watching Henson.

  69. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    look, I think Nunez, Adams, Nuno, Nova, Phelps, Musty are young and affordable pieces that have moderate ML potentials. There are few others I neglect to mention. Patience is required for these moderate upside players to develop and show they can or can’t do it on a major league levels.

  70. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Hey Feminista. I thought I was the only one who remembered that Wang game last spring training. He was def sitting low 90s and he had a swing and miss slider he never had with the Yanks. Then he got hurt. Interesting.

  71. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    *level. later all, A game of thrones!

  72. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Hey, the Railriders are going to CHA next weekend. Is that Charlotte? blake, you going to any games?

  73. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    Upstate, the Snider I remember is mostly a pull hitter with a quick bat and have the potential for plus plus power, he did not harness that in Toronto. But that bat and YS are made for each other. He is capable of driving the ball to LF gap swing wise though.

  74. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    YF,

    Ok fine ;). Sounds like he shoved it tonight.

    Tar,
    Im dead….I don’t know if I can handle 5 more days of “fun”. Nah I don’t watch the NBA really at all….

  75. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    It’s funny. People on this blog are always talking about guys in the minors with front of the rotation potential. And yet, here is Nova. Right under our noses. With front of the rotation stuff and nobody seems to recognize it. Just look and some of his pitches today. 96 on the black. A slider that Bautista goes after with a half swing. And an uncle charley Blyleven would be proud of. The video of this game is proof positive that the yanks can’t give up on Nova. He needs time and development. His stuff is twice as good as IPK’s.

  76. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Nick in SF says:
    April 21, 2013 at 9:21 pm
    Hey, the Railriders are going to CHA next weekend. Is that Charlotte? blake, you going to any games?

    Yea probably the Charlotte knights…..I don’t know if I’ll get to any AAA games….I’m hoping to see Charleston sometime this year though either in Charleston or Asheville or hickory

  77. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    And please please please do not use Nuno in the bullpen. He’s got jimmy key written all over him.

  78. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    “I don’t know if I’ll get to any AAA games”

    How long have you hated Chien-ming Wang? :sad:

  79. Cashmoney April 21st, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    last thought, the Ms are clearly on a 200 year rebuilding program. I don’t understand why they are choosing Shoppach over Montero. so they can lose 11 to 3 in stead of 11 to 2?

    later all.

  80. jmills April 21st, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Jays win, I can’t believe it, I fell asleep, and to think the Leafs beat the Sens last night with Reimer making 49 saves.

  81. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    “It’s funny. People on this blog are always talking about guys in the minors with front of the rotation potential. And yet, here is Nova. Right under our noses. With front of the rotation stuff and nobody seems to recognize it”

    “Stuff” isn’t just how hard you throw….h doesn’t have front of the rotation command and he doesn’t have really any deception in his delivery….hitters see the ball well off him. It’s why need never was a top prospect and why he doesn’t have a frontline ceiling now

  82. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    bigdan, I’ve continued to follow Wang and root for him ever since he left us. I thought his stuff in that ST game was nasty. He threw a very impressive curveball. I’d seen him throw a slider before, but that curve took me by surprise. I guess he started developing it in 2011 with the Nats. Obviously he needs the sinker to sink, and I heard the movement was good on it in his first SWB start, but if he has those other two breaking pitches to go to that would certainly give him more weapons.

  83. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    It’s funny. People on this blog are always talking about guys in the minors with front of the rotation potential. And yet, here is Nova. Right under our noses. With front of the rotation stuff and nobody seems to recognize it. Just look and some of his pitches today. 96 on the black. A slider that Bautista goes after with a half swing. And an uncle charley Blyleven would be proud of. The video of this game is proof positive that the yanks can’t give up on Nova. He needs time and development. His stuff is twice as good as IPK’s.
    ============

    Once Nova rediscovers how to control his stuff again, he will be very successful. I wonder if maybe he shouldn’t deemphasize the curveball. As I recall, he didn’t use the curveball all that much in 2011, when he had an extended period of success. He might be better off if he just focused on the fastball, slider, and changeup. His curveball is pretty, but he is very inconsistent with it.

  84. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    “How long have you hated Chien-ming Wang? ”

    Hey I love Wanger…. Just don’t know if it’ll work with my Schedule

  85. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Well, Monday the 29th is $1 hot dog night. $1 hot dogs should fit into any schedule.

  86. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    SNIDER:

    “…But that bat and YS are made for each other…”

    Wonder if we ever made any overtures regarding him ???

  87. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    They should really serve veggie dogs as an option. Trenton serves veggie burgers. :)

  88. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    ““Stuff” isn’t just how hard you throw…”

    Maybe its just me, but his CB is as good as I ever remember it. His FB when located is outstanding as well.

    He just gets caught up in the moment some times, maybe its a confidence thing with him. IDK but his spot in the rotation should not be in jeopardy. We need starters like him to succeed ,especially with the new Yankee reality. Let him work it out.

  89. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    “Once Nova rediscovers how to control his stuff again, he will be very successful”

    I think this is the question with Nova……is this who he is or was 2011 more than an outlier? His minor league track record was somewhat spotty and the reports were that he had inconsistent command….he’s had inconsistent command and showed a tendency to give up hard contact really most of his time in the big leagues aside from a period in 2011…..so while I really don’t know the answer to his question….I think we have to consider the possibility that this is who Ivan Nova is

  90. mick April 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Why will Wang who failed with the Nats reinvent himself here?
    Sounds like an insurance policy and a drawing card to me.
    A few more erratic starts from Nova and he will go down for Wang , a new reclamation project for Cashman.

  91. luis April 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Ghost,

    His CB is probably his best pitch… In no small part because how balanced his delivery is when he throws it…Watch some video and you will see… the problem is with the FB mostly and to a lesser degree with the slider

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....in-making/

    Trying to post this a second time:

    Good read on Austin and Slade with Justin Turner quotes as well. Pretty comprehensive especially if you can’t get out to see these guys and are curious about them.

  93. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    It’s really a shame what happened to Wang’s career. However, I don’t think that the Yanks should use him as the number-5 starter. That slot should be reserved for an rising youngster. I would give Nova at least 4 more starts as long as he continues to show some progress. If he fails, then Phelps or can get a shor they can try another one of the youngsters.

  94. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Blake, if you saw today’s game, he absolutely has a front line ceilng because he has front line stuff. What percent of pitchers in the majors today have his competition of fastball velocity and secondary pitch action? Five percent, two percent? That stuff doesn’t grow on trees. And command is learned. It’s not something you are born with.

    And as a far top prospects go, Andy wasn’t. Neither was Mattingly. Or Cano. But Ruben Rivera was like the BA No 1 prospect two years running. And Jose Rivera can’t even spin a ball yet.

  95. luis April 21st, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    a question to the forum:

    When did Randy Johnson figured things out?… When he was 29 or 30, prior to that he was very inconsistent… Just a thought

  96. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    luis April 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Ghost,

    His CB is probably his best pitch… In no small part because how balanced his delivery is when he throws it…Watch some video and you will see… the problem is with the FB mostly and to a lesser degree with the slider
    ======

    I know it’s his best pitch. But I think that it might also what screws him up. You can correct if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that when he had pretty much shelved it during his sustained period of success.

  97. mick April 21st, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    When did Randy Johnson figured things out?… When he was 29 or 30, prior to that he was very inconsistent… Just a thought
    ===================
    luis…do you want the yanks to start thinking like a small market team?

  98. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    “Blake, if you saw today’s game, he absolutely has a front line ceilng because he has front line stuff”

    I didn’t see today’s game but I’ve watched most of his starts over the last two years and I don’t think he has a front line ceiling really at all….. He does have good stuff in a vacuum….as in if you don’t count where the pitches are placed or how hitters react to them…..

    Maybe he will figure it out or tweak his delivery to better repeat and have a little more deception and prove me wrong….. But right now he just isn’t that type guy to me….JMO

  99. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    You get lots of chances when you’re an 8′ tall lefty who throws pure heat. And he did some pretty amazing stuff even when he was inconsistent. Not that I’m counseling impatience with Nova, but… Randy Johnson.

  100. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    “caught up in the moment”

    Reminded me of this Bono and Edge appearance on Letterman.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wskSt3D54MA

  101. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    “When did Randy Johnson figured things out?… When he was 29 or 30, prior to that he was very inconsistent… Just a thought”

    1) that’s very rare
    2) he was 6’10″ and threw 100 mph from the left side….

    Nova might have a light bulb moment at some point and greatly improve ….it’s not impossible… It’s just not something that normally happens

  102. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    “Once Nova rediscovers how to control his stuff again, he will be very successful”

    I think this is the question with Nova……is this who he is or was 2011 more than an outlier? His minor league track record was somewhat spotty and the reports were that he had inconsistent command….he’s had inconsistent command and showed a tendency to give up hard contact really most of his time in the big leagues aside from a period in 2011…..so while I really don’t know the answer to his question….I think we have to consider the possibility that this is who Ivan Nova is
    ==

    Yes, that’s a fair point, and it’s starting to seem that may be where we’re heading. I would hang in there with him for a while longer, because he was hurt in 2012, and he’s only had a few starts since he came back. It might take him a little while to figure things out.

  103. mick April 21st, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Something is holding Nova back, maybe himself…
    He’s a good kid but seems to just want to enjoy himself from what I’ve seen of him on the bench.
    Lacks the killer instinct…don’t know if that’s something one can acquire.

  104. luis April 21st, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Ghost,

    He didn’t shelved it…. He added the slider, which gave him a swing and miss tool, but he never scrapped the CB… In fact, many times it was called to get his mechanics in synch.

    Mick,

    With the cap, they will have to, taking in to account all those bad LT contracts on aging and declining players that are not going anywhere.

    Plus, thinking small market with a large market wallet, would be unbeatable

  105. mick April 21st, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Plus, thinking small market with a large market wallet, would be unbeatable
    ===========================
    luis-
    at 189 would they really be small market?
    Hal knows he has to have a product fans will take seriously.
    i see many back on 1 year deals , maybe hafner, or new additions with reputable names.
    if they can go far this year it might buy him some more time till some of the kids come up.

  106. luis April 21st, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    I knew that everybody would jump with the comparison… it’s not meant to be a comparison, just a reminder that some players take longer to figure things out than others… Randy Johnson was almost 30, and still will make it to the HOF as one of the best lefties in history.

    Not saying that Nova will be like that ( Not by a long shot )… But if given enough time, he will become a very good pitcher… He has the repetoire and the make up

  107. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    Speaking of Wang, it would be nice if SWB could fix their darn cameras, so that we can watch them on milb-tv. Get with it, SWB.

    You need extra starters over the course of a season… However, if Wang isn’t added by a certain date (not sure what that is…June 1st?) he can become a free agent. He is more of an insurance policy, but he did pitch pretty well when he was healthy. It was a shame that he stumbled and hurt his hamstring on that grounder in ST last year.

    As for Nova, he needs to command his fastball better, but he got some really good movement on it today. When he keeps it down in the zone, he is successful. Also his velo was crazy today, which does give permit him to get away with more mistakes. Just think if he gets more comfortable repeating then he will be more consistent, so hoping to see improvement. And agree that his CB has been his best pitch. Maybe throwing so many different pitches is affecting fastball command. But he is also still adjusting to the tweak in his delivery. Hopefully, he gets it together because the stuff is nasty.

  108. luis April 21st, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    No Mick,

    But if you substract the LT contracts there is very little money left to spend… I think something around 60 mil for like 19 or 20 players

  109. mick April 21st, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    But if given enough time, he will become a very good pitcher… He has the repetoire and the make up
    ====================
    you don’t know if he has the makeup, no one does.
    if he becomes a good pitcher, chances are it won’t be here, nature of the beast theory.

  110. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Let’s talk prospects for a minute. Back in the winter of Santana, I was advocating a theory on another blog that when deciding which prospect to trade and which to hold on to, you should always trade that prospect who’s most likely to be over-valued. At the time, people were trying to decide whether to trade IPK, Joba or Hughes. I was against a trade for Santana, but I thought that if you were going to do the trade, you should trade Hughes because he’s was the one pitcher of the three most likely to be over-valued. The value of that strategy is that it would allow the Yanks to keep other valuable secondary pieces. In the case of Santana, I thought trading Hughes would allow the Yanks to hold on to Austin Jackson (who actually I never really liked, but you can’t always be right).

    I’ve changed my thinking on this a bit. I think the Yanks should identify their consensus No 1 prospect and trade him. Every year. Sort of like they did with Montero. When you think about it, how successful have the Yanks No 1 prospects been the last 20 years? And because they are ranked No. 1, they probably have the most hype and therefore are most likely to be over-valued. JMO>

  111. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Nova’s makeup by all accounts is off the charts. So, I don’t think that should be questioned. And Latin players both work hard and enjoy themselves. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

  112. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    luis April 21st, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Ghost,

    He didn’t shelved it…. He added the slider, which gave him a swing and miss tool, but he never scrapped the CB… In fact, many times it was called to get his mechanics in synch.
    ===

    In 2011, he threw the fastball 56 percent of the time and the curveball 23 percent.
    In 2012, the fastball was down to 50 percent and the curve was up to 29 percent.
    This year the fastball is down to 37 percent (!), and the curveball is at 28 percent.

    I don’t think that he’s doing himself any favors throwing a 2-seamer (essentially a flat curveball) to go along with a curveball.

  113. mick April 21st, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    I think something around 60 mil for like 19 or 20 players
    =================================
    that’s an average of 2-3m per player and if andy and kuroda come back it leaves maybe 30m + jeter, so many 1 year deals again loom at 1-2m.

    hal would go over slightly if he had to and go for hungry vets again.

  114. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    I will say this….the last start i saw from Nova he was using his 2 seamer more i thought and I think he needs to do that….. He doesn’t need to be a sinker baller per se but he needs that pitch to he ground balls and it gives him some leeway with his location

  115. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    luis April 21st, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    I knew that everybody would jump with the comparison… it’s not meant to be a comparison, just a reminder that some players take longer to figure things out than others… Randy Johnson was almost 30, and still will make it to the HOF as one of the best lefties in history.

    Not saying that Nova will be like that ( Not by a long shot )… But if given enough time, he will become a very good pitcher… He has the repetoire and the make up

    If Nova is going to take that long to figure it out, then he needs to do it with cellar dweller the way Johnson did.

  116. blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    “I’ve changed my thinking on this a bit. I think the Yanks should identify their consensus No 1 prospect and trade him. Every year”

    I think that’s a great way to make an old and expensive team

  117. luis April 21st, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Mick,

    He does have the make up… I knew the moment I saw the way he faced Bautista in his very first start in the MLB.

  118. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    blake April 21st, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    I will say this….the last start i saw from Nova he was using his 2 seamer more i thought and I think he needs to do that….. He doesn’t need to be a sinker baller per se but he needs that pitch to he ground balls and it gives him some leeway with his location
    ——

    If he’s going to throw the sinker, then he needs to shelve the curve. He needs another pitch (i.e., fastbal or slider) to change the hitter’s eye level if he is going to live in the lower part of the strike zone.

  119. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    I find it odd that folks would question Nova’s makeup at this stage of the game. His makeup is about the only thing that I don’t doubt about him.

  120. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    YF

    Nice take ( as always) on Nova, I agree.

    Bigdan

    Thats some crazy thinking, which is why I like it. :D

  121. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Blake, you are not reading carefully. I never said you should trade all your top prospects. Or even most. But prospects are there for two reasons: To be traded to improve your team and to be developed and inserted in your roster. You can never keep all of them, nor would you want to. So the question is, who should you trade? Answer, those prospects most likely to be over-valued. In the case of the Yanks, that always seems to be their No 1 rated prospect.

  122. mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    luis,
    what goes into makeup?
    concentration, focus, mental toughness…these things he seems to possess but not fully yet.
    he is competitive but lacks the more mundane things like repetitiveness, and seems to have too many mental lapses.
    part of the problem is that till today he didn’t seem to recognize anything negative so that he could identify it and work on it.
    this might have also been IPK’s and Montero’s undoing.

  123. luis April 21st, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Ghost,

    I don’t think it will take that long… But we need to be patient

  124. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    part of the problem is that till today he didn’t seem to recognize anything negative so that he could identify it and work on it.

    —–

    How do you know this?

  125. blake April 21st, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    “Blake, you are not reading carefully. I never said you should trade all your top prospects. Or even most”

    I read….but I don’t think trading your top prospect every year is a good idea whether they are “overvalued” or not…..your not gettin other young players for them most likely….you’re getting olde and more expensive players. The Yankees ideally should keep their prospects and buy what else they need in free agency……unless a trade makes sense for something they can get via those routes…..

  126. mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    NOva seemed repentant today in the post game when asked what went wrong.
    He should really hang around with Andy and CC and listen to them.
    Andy. if anything, was always hard on himself and looked for his faults and attacked them.

  127. blake April 21st, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Night all

  128. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    How don you know that he isn’t sufficiently hard on himself, or trying to address his faults?

  129. luis April 21st, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    luis,
    what goes into makeup?
    concentration, focus, mental toughness

    ============================

    I would only add fight… The willingnes to fight

    His delivery problems are not mental but physical… With enough reps at some point it will become more consistent… AJ had all the make up in the world, but he couldn’t reapeat his mechanics consistently… This could very well happen to Nova as well, the difference between the two is age, AJ never adquired the consistency, Nova is still young enough to learn it.

  130. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    “I find it odd that folks would question Nova’s makeup at this stage of the game. His makeup is about the only thing that I don’t doubt about him.”

    I agree. I would never say its from lack of effort or anything like that, but he does for whatever reason seem to lose focus. repeating his mechanics or delivery seems to be an issue. If you read that article on his life that was posted a year or two ago you would never question his heart or desire. Not making light of it or anything but maybe he’s ADHD. There does seems to be an epidemic of that in the MLB anyway.

  131. mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Nova , like IPK, always seems to not know what is wrong on the mound, like he’s perplexed about why he can’t repeat. Maybe he gets bored or has a short attention span.
    These are things that can be corrected if you know you have these problems.

  132. luis April 21st, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    GN Blake

  133. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Blake, my prospect trading theory is only one of what I can consider the “Governing Principles” for building and maintaining a baseball franchise. I have others that I’ve discussed on other blogs. And trading your top prospect for an old and expensive player is not one of them lol.

    Who is the Yanks consensus top prospect now? Sanchez? I’d include him and Slade (who I think super over-valued) for someone like Headley. Someone fairly young, entering his prime who can fill a long term need. That’s what I’m thinking. I’d keep Mason, Austin and Flores (my favorite under-valued prospect). Maybe add a pitcher (but not Nova!)

  134. mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    AJ had all the make up in the world,
    =======================
    If you compare him to Andy, CC or Kuroda, his makeup was nil.
    How else can you explain that whenever an inning got a little out of hand it became a disaster.
    Where was the self-correcting makeup?

  135. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Nova , like IPK, always seems to not know what is wrong on the mound…

    ——————–

    Why are you linking Nova with IPK?

  136. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    I thought Nova intentionally did throw some high fastballs today to change eye level. Not something he usually does, and he got a couple of swings and misses.

    He didn’t throw the two-seamer as much today, but the curve was really good, and so was his 4-seamer when he was locating it. But yeah, Nova in the past has been more effective when he gets more ground balls.

    Tar, I think that it is more not trusting the new delivery perhaps or not knowing how to fix it when he can’t repeat. He maybe is too hard on himself sometimes.

  137. mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    I remember IPK to be very flippant after games, like he had nothing to learn at the big league level.

  138. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    I think that you put too much stock in postgame interviews with athletes. You don’t know any of these things; you just think you do. They’re athletes–young kids at that– not PR experts.

  139. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    I don’t think that Sanchez is overvalued right now, and he is at a premium position. The bat is there, and they seem to like the way his D is developing. He would be one of the prospects I would not trade.

  140. mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    You don’t know any of these things; you just think you do.
    =======================================
    That goes for 95% of what is said in here, it’s called an opinion.
    You have the right to disagree and have your own.

  141. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Blake, my prospect trading theory is only one of what I can consider the “Governing Principles” for building and maintaining a baseball franchise. I have others that I’ve discussed on other blogs. And trading your top prospect for an old and expensive player is not one of them lol.

    Who is the Yanks consensus top prospect now? Sanchez? I’d include him and Slade (who I think super over-valued) for someone like Headley. Someone fairly young, entering his prime who can fill a long term need. That’s what I’m thinking. I’d keep Mason, Austin and Flores (my favorite under-valued prospect). Maybe add a pitcher (but not Nova!)

    ================

    You don’t know who’s overvalued and who isn’t, because you don’t know what their true value is. That’s what makes this business so tough. And it’s also why you shouldn’t be trading prospects willnilly. The idea should be to spread risk by having many prospects. This way when some don’t work out, others will.

  142. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    “Tar, I think that it is more not trusting the new delivery perhaps or not knowing how to fix it when he can’t repeat. He maybe is too hard on himself sometimes.”

    Could be, which kind of makes sense because I do thinking he’s getting closer to figuring it out. He’s showing glimpses of brilliance. So maybe it is just getting comfortable with the new delivery.

  143. Duh Innings II April 21st, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    I’m sorry Joe Girardi, winning series is nice but losing the final game of a three-game series after winning the first two games of it is not ok because you won’t ALWAYS win two out of three. Sometimes you will lose two out of three, get swept in two, three, or four, split two or four, drop three of four, and get swept in four. He can keep dreaming if he thinks this team will play like an 108-54 team all year because guess what? Win two of every three and you will finish 108-54. That’s not happening for the Yanks or anyone else in MLB.

    10-7 is a nice start but it should really be 11-6, whatever.

    Phelps is not cut out for the bullpen, he is a starter. Nova is not cut out to be in the Yankees rotation and it’s too late for him to go back to the bullpen, so he needs to go back to AAA or be traded. It’s too early to trade him so I say send him down to AAA to work things out, have Phelps take his spot in the rotation, and call up Montgomery.

  144. luis April 21st, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    If you compare him to Andy, CC or Kuroda, his makeup was nil.
    How else can you explain that whenever an inning got a little out of hand it became a disaster.
    Where was the self-correcting makeup?

    =======================

    Those guys have consistent deliveries, because they have the ability to do so…. Aj doesn’t… But they all want to do well up there on the mound… AJ didn’t have the same physical and pitching IQ abilities of the others. While those developed several pitches and improved their command, he stayed with his FB and the knuckle CB and nothing else.

    Nova has changed his delivery, added pitches to improve his ceiling ( slider )… He is a work in progress

  145. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    You don’t know any of these things; you just think you do.
    =======================================
    That goes for 95% of what is said in here, it’s called an opinion.
    You have the right to disagree and have your own.
    ==============

    When you state things with certitude as if it is factual, it deserves to be called out. And I don’t need you to tell me what my rights are. M’Kay?

  146. luis April 21st, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    I am going to call it a night guys… have a good one all

  147. mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    When you state things with certitude as if it is factual,
    =================================
    Most people here do…

  148. Tackelberry April 21st, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Red Sox get swept. Royals win nitecap 5-4 in 10

  149. tbone1570 April 21st, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Nova’s makeup by all accounts is off the charts.

    ——————————————————-
    By all accounts? From where? I’ve never heard from anyone who should know about him that him makeup is “off the charts”. Makeup isn’t about desire or competitiveness, it’s about the mental toughness to battle not only your opponents but, more importantly, it’s about battling yourself and the need for constant improvement.

  150. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Feminista, this certainly isn’t a science. Picking which prospect to trade or keep is really mostly luck. The point I’m trying to make is really this: All top prospects are, by definition, over-valued, because, at least with the Yankees, they rarely perform anywhere close to what we expect or even hope. It seems to me, for the Yanks, it’s usually the guys on the second tier who have contributed the most. Andy, Cano, Mattingly (boy was he criticized as prospect back in the day), IPK and the like. I know a lot of people didn’t like the nature of the return, but Montero was trading at the absolute right time. He had had a mediocre AAA season but an awesome September in NY. That was the ultimate case of trading your No 1 over-valued prospect.

  151. mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Red Sox get swept. Royals win nitecap 5-4 in 10
    ============================
    They will come back to earth…

  152. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    G/N Luis

  153. EA April 21st, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    People say the same things about Nova that they said about Joba and Hughes… their stuff is great, they are young, don’t give up on them, etc. and neither are gonna get a second contract from the Yankees.

    Nova just isn’t very good. He is like a better Fuasto Carmona basically.

  154. Mike Ri April 21st, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Honestly..cant wait for the Yankees to move past the Joba Hughes IPK era….

  155. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Hey Duh, you really picked another peeve of mine. I absolutely hate hate hate it when teams talk about winning series. It’s ok if it’s a 4 game series. But winning a 3 game series is not how you get to 30 over .500 and win the division. When you win a 3 game series, you only add one game to .500 and you could almost as easily lose that one game.

    The secret to a successful season, and 30 games over .500, is not winning series but putting together several short winning streaks (4-6 games), perhaps one long winning streak (7-10) and playing basically .500 ball when you are not playing well. That is, stay away from losing streaks of more than 2-3 games.

    The attitude that we won the first two games so therefore the weekend has been a success is counter-productive and I think ultimately damaging.

  156. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    EA April 21st, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    People say the same things about Nova that they said about Joba and Hughes… their stuff is great, they are young, don’t give up on them, etc. and neither are gonna get a second contract from the Yankees.

    Nova just isn’t very good. He is like a better Fuasto Carmona basically.
    ====

    The thing is that there are very few superstars. Most of the players in MLB are very, very good ballplayers, but they are competing against the best, and it is tough for most of them to be consistently good. That’s why counseling patience is usually sound advice. As long as a guy is working and doesn’t get too down on himself, let him work his way through it. The next can’t-miss guy that you bring up in his stead is bound to struggle as well, unless he is one of those truly special elite talents.

  157. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    bigdan, well the percentages are with most prospects busting, so I can’t argue with the idea that anyone you draft won’t likely make it. However, some prospects’ ceilings are worth the risk. Further, if you are going to deal them, then you need to make the right deal and shore up a weakness (such as in the Montero deal when the Yankees overrated their offense and underrated their pitching).

  158. mick April 21st, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    winning 2 out of 3 is a 667 winning pct and will give you over 100 wins.

  159. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Mike Ri, why? They all actually play in mlb. Most prospects don’t even make it.

  160. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Hey Duh, you really picked another peeve of mine. I absolutely hate hate hate it when teams talk about winning series. It’s ok if it’s a 4 game series. But winning a 3 game series is not how you get to 30 over .500 and win the division. When you win a 3 game series, you only add one game to .500 and you could almost as easily lose that one game.

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    Umm… no. Winning series is precisely how you get to 30 games above .500, especially if you’re winning series in your own division. Winning 67 percent of your games gets you to 108 wins. This is math.

  161. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Belated good night to blake and luis.

  162. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    That is, stay away from losing streaks of more than 2-3 games.
    =====

    This basically another way of saying don’t lose any series.

  163. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    To me, Hughes, Joba and Nova are three completely different stories. I’ve probably seen 90% of Hughes’s starts (although I never saw the famous Texas outing) and till this day, I still don’t see him as a potential quality starter. Two simple reasons: He often loses velocity after the third or fourth inning and he’s never had, in my opinion, even one quality secondary pitch. He profiles as a potentially excellent reliever. Perhaps a great closer.

    When Joba came up, I had never seen in my 40 years following the Yanks a pitcher like him. 96-99 fastball. 91 killer slider. Very nice curve and even a change. What happened to him is, well, it just is.

    Nova throws in the mid-90s with two potentially plus secondary breaking pitches and a serviceable change. He has very little consistency and very little command. He is a tease. But the Yanks have had very very few prospects come up with that arsenal. He’s needs to be developed, if he can be.

  164. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Once again, people need to read. Stay away from losing streaks of MORE than 2-3 games. You can lose a bunch of 3 game series by losing 2-3 games in a row. Although it’s not recommended lol.

  165. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Winning 2 of 3 gets you to 108 wins. Sure, if you win the first two games of a series you want that third win, but not getting the road sweep (with the #5 starter on the hill, btw) isn’t a sign of anything other than they lost today’s game. If they keep winning the first couple games of 3-game series, they’ll get some sweeps to mix in with the 2-of-3′s and to make up for some of the series splits and series losses.

  166. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    I can read just fine. Your problem is with math. :) Consistently winning series is how you win the division, and it’s how to be successful in the postseason. Today’s loss was disappointing, but the trip to Toronto was successful.

  167. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Somebody should do some research on this. Look at all teams that have won 100 games in a season. I’m willing to bet most if that all those teams lost several 3 game series and still won 100 games. That’s my point. You don’t get to 100 wins by winning every series. Because in baseball, no one is that consistent. It’s a game of streaks.

  168. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    It’s really hard to sweep a team on the road. How many times does that happen a year? Even the ’98 Yankees probably didn’t have very many sweeps on the road.

  169. jmills April 21st, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    I’m so happy john farrell lost again, there is a god :)

  170. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    De Paula article up on MiLB:

    “While the RiverDogs ended up getting swept, the effort may have been a watershed moment for De Paula.

    “That’s the first time I’ve seen him this way,” Charleston manager Al Pedrique said. He looked good a couple times in Spring Training. First outing, first time in front of the crowd, under the lights, he was a little nervous and erratic with his command but mostly fine. He lasted only two innings in his second start and a little better the next one. Today was as good as I’ve seen him.”

    Through four starts, the 22-year-old right-hander has at least shown he has the raw stuff to develop into an impact prospect. He registered a career-high 11 strikeouts over 4 1/3 innings in his South Atlantic League debut on April 6 and 12 more over eight innings in his next two outings, though he was touched for five runs on seven hits.

    Over 17 1/3 innings, De Paula has 33 strikeouts, a total exceeded only by Archie Bradley — MLB.com’s No. 24 overall prospect — among Minor Leaguers. He works with a fastball-changeup combination, according to Pedrique, and on Sunday pitched between 90-94 mph.

    “Danny [Borrell], the pitching coach, worked with him in the bullpen. They made an adjustment in his mechanics, not to be out too far in front too soon, stay back and on top of the ball so his fastball will have a better angle. And that paid off today,” said Pedrique, who spent three seasons in the Majors as an infielder from 1987-89.”

    http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....8;sid=milb

  171. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Somebody should do some research on this. Look at all teams that have won 100 games in a season. I’m willing to bet most if that all those teams lost several 3 game series and still won 100 games. That’s my point. You don’t get to 100 wins by winning every series. Because in baseball, no one is that consistent. It’s a game of streaks.

    =======

    I don’t need to do research. It’s math. A team can lose 8 three game series and still win 100 games.

  172. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    I bet you the ’98 Yanks had a ton of 5-6 games winning streaks! And they lost a few series too. But that team was really the exception that proves the rule!

  173. bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    Goodnight GW. It’s not math. It’s baseball lol.

  174. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    bigdan22 April 21st, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    I bet you the ’98 Yanks had a ton of 5-6 games winning streaks! And they lost a few series too. But that team was really the exception that proves the rule!
    ====

    You have a point about winning streaks, but…

  175. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Good night, dan

  176. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    I don’t think “don’t lose a lot of series” and “don’t have too many long losing streaks” is a strategy, it’s more like a byproduct of being a winning team in the first place. A team doesn’t go on a winning streak because someone figured out that winning streaks are the recipe for success, they do it because they’re playing good baseball.

    The Astros aren’t going to end up with an awful record because they’re unaware that they should avoid losing streaks and losing series.

  177. Against All Odds April 21st, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    Mike Ri April 21st, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Honestly..cant wait for the Yankees to move past the Joba Hughes IPK era….

    ——–

    They have moved past it to a certain degree. Hughes won’t be back next yr and Joba is a 7th inning guy.

  178. Tar April 21st, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    Thanks J ALfred and YF both good reads on our prospects.

    Good night all.

  179. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    I don’t think “don’t lose a lot of series” and “don’t have too many long losing streaks” is a strategy, it’s more like a byproduct of being a winning team in the first place. A team doesn’t go on a winning streak because someone figured out that winning streaks are the recipe for success, they do it because they’re playing good baseball.

    The Astros aren’t going to end up with an awful record because they’re unaware that they should avoid losing streaks and losing series.
    —–

    Maybe the Astros don’t know that they’re supposed to outscore the other team. :)

  180. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    You are welcome. Have a good night, Tar! Next up, Rays.

  181. jmills April 21st, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    My daughter just told me she loves me; so, as bad as this week might be, I’m a lucky man :) And to think, the Sox are coming back down upon this rarified earth.

  182. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    3B David Adams: 1-3, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 E (fielding) – eight hits in his last 17 at-bats (.471)
    _

    They desperately need a RH bat.

  183. Pat M. April 21st, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Rich in NJ….How about Holliday or a Cespedes to satisfy that need … Their greatest advantage and they pass

  184. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    Pat

    That shipped is so far out of the dock that it can’t be seen.

    So I’m dealing within the realm of the possible. :D

  185. Pat M. April 21st, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    Greatest advantage is Yankee dollars which I failed to clarify

  186. 4 NYY April 22nd, 2013 at 12:40 am

    Good night John boy !

  187. waka flocka April 22nd, 2013 at 1:18 am

    when do results begin to matter with Nova? this is ridiculous.

  188. pc April 22nd, 2013 at 4:48 am

    until nova gets a consistent third pitch move him to the bullpen as a long man and emergency starter, maybe not knowing when his next start is coming will calm him down when he’s not anticipating for 4 days, he’s still young but time is running out and the yanks can’t seem to move him along, maybe its the team that’s the problem here our history of producing pitchers isn’t very good lately.

  189. Triple Short of a Cycle April 22nd, 2013 at 6:49 am

    Ortiz Slobber fest on MSNBC. Could you imagine Jeter or Rivera or any other Yankee for that matter cursing while addressing the stadium. So I guess the FCC isn’t going to fine him either since they agree with his sentiment.

  190. Mike Ri April 22nd, 2013 at 7:08 am

    Heard Chin Ming Wang is pitching pretty well down below

    hmmmm

  191. mick April 22nd, 2013 at 7:19 am

    2:50 pm Moment of Silence today….Boston Strong.
    Right On Big Papi……next time they come they will get caught and pummeled by the bare hands of the public.

  192. Triple Short of a Cycle April 22nd, 2013 at 7:31 am

    Right On Big Papi

    ———————-

    People who can’t make a point without cursing lack intelligence.

  193. 86w183 April 22nd, 2013 at 8:15 am

    People who can’t make a point without cursing lack intelligence.

    **************************************************************************

    True, but people who choose to curse for effect are not necessarily unintelligent.

    Frankly, I can’t believe there’s been so much chatter on this site about one f-ing word.

  194. Triple Short of a Cycle April 22nd, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Frankly, I can’t believe there’s been so much chatter on this site about one f-ing word.

    ———————————————–

    Pretend this happened in NY and Jeter or Rivera were giving this speech. Even another “fiery” guy like Posada would not have cursed. Ortiz is low class plain and simple cursing is just part of his natural vernacular.

    Also Howard Stern gets fined for the slightest infraction when he was on terrestrial radio but because a tragedy happens in Boston all the rules get thrown out the window.

    Seems like Ortiz is always the exception and all the rules always seem to be bended for him.

  195. sunny615 April 22nd, 2013 at 9:27 am

    During the course of the year

    Granderson replaces Ichiro
    Pineda replaces Nova
    Wang replaces Phelps
    Jeter replaces Nunez
    Tex replaces Overbay
    Arod replaces Ben Francisco/Brendan Boesch

  196. sunny615 April 22nd, 2013 at 9:28 am

    the wang one might actually be Nova sooner than later – if nova keeps sucking.

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