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Yankees let one get away in Toronto series finale

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 21, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For a while, good fortune gave the Yankees a chance to sweep this series. But after bases-loaded walks gave them a lead, the Yankees gave it right back with an ugly four-run sixth inning, and the Blue Jays salvaged an 8-4 win today at Rogers Centre. Yankees starter Ivan Nova let the leadoff hitter reach base in five of his six (at least partial) innings. That included the sixth inning when he allowed a walk and a double before Joe Girardi went to the bullpen to try to preserve a 4-2 lead. Boone Logan allowed one run on a broken-bat single, and David Phelps allowed two runs on a just-fair double. Add an RBI single and a two-run homer, and the Blue Jays managed to pull away to keep the Yankees from sweeping the series. Four different Yankees had two hits, but the team went 1-for-10 with runners in scoring position. They took the lead on two bases-loaded walks in the fifth inning, and they expanded that lead with a sac fly in the sixth.

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173 Responses to “Yankees let one get away in Toronto series finale”

  1. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    They are winning series, which is what matters. I wish they’d get more young players involved, like the RS are doing though.

  2. Locke April 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Yankees still won the series and Nova looked better.

  3. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    I’ll certainly take the two of three. And agree that Nova is getting better. We need to have some good AB’s vs. the two Rays’ lefties in the next series. But Rays have to put up runs vs. us as well. Looking to see some good pitching duels.

  4. Captain Clutch April 21st, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    The Yanks have to get another righty bat into the lineup. Whether it’s Musty(if healthy) or Adams. But they can’t continue with Fransisco and Nix against lefties. Boesch should play RF against Tampa. Ichiro is a disaster and this lineup is very, very short.

  5. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    The Jays are always a bad matchup for Nova, but he was competitive. It’s a shame that the game got away from him, but I think he continued to show progress.

  6. luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    MG April 21st, 2013 at 4:16 pm
    Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 4:10 pm
    Let’s leave numbers aside. Tell me how his marginal stuff makes him more likely to succeed as a reliever.
    ———————-
    where did I ever say I wanted Phelps as a reliever? That’s a terrible place for him.

    I see him as a guy who gives you 5-6 innings, 2-4 runs allowed, essentially a fill in guy for a winning team or maybe a rotation guy for an average or below average team, maybe the equivalent of Jeff Karstens.

    In my opinion, he isn’t nearly the pitcher as Ian Kennedy-if Kennedy wasn’t good enough for the Yankees or the ‘AL East’, then Phelps isn’t either. (I don’t agree with this AL East nonsense either, pitching in the majors is pitching in the majors).

    I’m not anti-Phelps, I just don’t see a star in the making as many others on LoHud believe.

    =======================================

    Big mistake with IPK…. He is a very good SP in the NL or the AL… And your statement just says that the FO has no clue on what they are talking about as a result… They seem to miss the mark on their evaluations… At this point in time I take IPk over Hughes and Joba, even though in the case of the latter they never gave a chance

  7. austinmac April 21st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Ichiro looks very bad at the plate. He may be the worst off season move. Many of the others look surprisingly good.

  8. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Big mistake with IPK…. He is a very good SP in the NL or the AL… And your statement just says that the FO has no clue on what they are talking about as a result… They seem to miss the mark on their evaluations… At this point in time I take IPk over Hughes and Joba, even though in the case of the latter they never gave a chance

    ==========

    Hindsight is 20/20. Nobody would have taken IPK over Highes or Joba in 2009.

  9. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    austinmac April 21st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Ichiro looks very bad at the plate. He may be the worst off season move. Many of the others look surprisingly good.

    You can’t win them all. Still, I think Ichiro has some juice left. He’ll get it going at some point.

  10. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Even Oppenheimer said while IPK was still here that it was a shame that IPK was expected to get results immediately and had he been on the Rays or some other club, he would have been given more time. Yankees shoot themselves in the foot with their lack of patience. Glad to see that they haven’t done that with Hughes or Nova, but IPK was never given a chance.

  11. luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Ghost,

    True… But I wouldn’t have traded him either or Ajax for that matter… One thing is for sure, they have traded away players that would be contributing at the MLB level right now… And is not an exeption to the rule… Something is not working properly

  12. MG April 21st, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:27 pm
    MG April 21st, 2013 at 4:16 pm
    Big mistake with IPK…. He is a very good SP in the NL or the AL… And your statement just says that the FO has no clue on what they are talking about as a result… They seem to miss the mark on their evaluations… At this point in time I take IPk over Hughes and Joba, even though in the case of the latter they never gave a chance
    ————————
    I like Kennedy as well and thought he would be really good for the Yankees-go back and look at the blog archives after his start in 2009 when he got mauled by the Angels and made a stupid comment about pitching OK, you will see what blog posters thought of him then…

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Cashman: IPK is a “National League pitcher.”

    Melky is a “high-level fourth outfielder.”

    Maybe the problem is the GM’s evaluative skills?

    Just sayin.’

  14. luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    *exception*

  15. mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    So did Girardi throw in the towel? Francisco was looking perplexed in the dugout with Hafner up and Oliver on the mound. Like what am I , chopped liver?
    And if you’re gonna bunt lay it down with conviction, please…

  16. Locke April 21st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    austinmac April 21st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    Ichiro looks very bad at the plate. He may be the worst off season move. Many of the others look surprisingly good.

    ——

    I actually liked the Ichiro signing a lot (not for two years, but I was for the first). Any clue on why he has been so much less effective? Was his time with the Yankees last year just a fluke?

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    I remember Jim Palmer raving about Kennedy when he was still ours.

  18. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Ghost,

    True… But I wouldn’t have traded him either or Ajax for that matter… One thing is for sure, they have traded away players that would be contributing at the MLB level right now… And is not an exeption to the rule… Something is not working properly
    ===

    The trade for Granderson was not a bad move in the context of a WS winner looking to defend its crown. The move didn’t quite work out as hoped, but it wasn’t a bad decision.

    I’ve always maintained that Cashman’s mistake that year was trading Melky for Vazquez, instead of Swisher.

  19. MG April 21st, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Rangers 3, Devils 0…..

  20. luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    MG,

    No doubt that it must have been ugly… He did screw up on that interview… But it only shows the lack of patience of the fan base and the organizaton as a whole… Suffice is to say that I don’t agree with the ” win now” mentality… I find it shortsighted and counterproductive…

  21. Locke April 21st, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Another positive note:

    Boston lost their first game 2-4

    Orioles are losing 6-4 in the 8th.

    It would be great if the Sux could lose two games today.

  22. mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Ichiro looks like he’s living off his rep at this point.
    Why is he swinging 1st pitch off Johnson when he just threw 7 straight balls and walked 2 with the bases loaded?
    Maybe those Ichiro is out for Ichiro statements were true?

  23. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Locke April 21st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    austinmac April 21st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    Ichiro looks very bad at the plate. He may be the worst off season move. Many of the others look surprisingly good.

    ——

    I actually liked the Ichiro signing a lot (not for two years, but I was for the first). Any clue on why he has been so much less effective? Was his time with the Yankees last year just a fluke?
    ===

    I dunno. I thought bringing him back was a good move. He still looks like he can run to me, and his arm still seems sound–at least, that’s the way it looked to me last year. This year, I’m not so sure….

  24. mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Suffice is to say that I don’t agree with the ” win now” mentality… I find it shortsighted and counterproductive…
    =============================
    Its worked for over 100 years.

  25. Locke April 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    austinmac April 21st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    Ichiro looks very bad at the plate. He may be the worst off season move. Many of the others look surprisingly good.

    ——

    I actually liked the Ichiro signing a lot (not for two years, but I was for the first). Any clue on why he has been so much less effective? Was his time with the Yankees last year just a fluke?
    ===

    I dunno. I thought bringing him back was a good move. He still looks like he can run to me, and his arm still seems sound–at least, that’s the way it looked to me last year. This year, I’m not so sure….

    ——

    I hope Ichiro can get his bat going. At this point he is the clear 4th outfielder when Granderson returns. Gardner is playing like I expected and Wells looks like an MVP right now.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Melky was gone the instant they dealt for Granderson.

    They traded their CF and replaced him with Granderson, and in the process, traded their CF of the future.

    Too many good young outfielders/hitters went into those moves, which were directly related.

  27. Captain Clutch April 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Giving Ichiro 2 years made absolutely no sense. Especially for a team with so many older players. It smells of a Hal and Levine move just to make money off of him if he gets 3,000 hits. I really doubt that Cashman was behind the move. He probably has a little bit more left in him but not much.

  28. luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Ghost,

    True… But I wouldn’t have traded him either or Ajax for that matter… One thing is for sure, they have traded away players that would be contributing at the MLB level right now… And is not an exeption to the rule… Something is not working properly
    ===

    The trade for Granderson was not a bad move in the context of a WS winner looking to defend its crown. The move didn’t quite work out as hoped, but it wasn’t a bad decision.

    I’ve always maintained that Cashman’s mistake that year was trading Melky for Vazquez, instead of Swisher.

    =========================

    I never liked the Granderson trade, for several reasons… We needed to start rebuilding the core, before it couldn’t take the brunt of the responsibility… Yup, it was a move for ” winning now” which I find shortsighted… And IPK was a pitcher worth keeping as he has shown.

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Can’t champion the Granderson trade if you wanted to keep Cabrera. It meant Cabrera was on the move.

  30. mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Joe won’t diss Ichi when Grandy gets back.
    He’ll platoon him with Wells and Wells will stop producing.

  31. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Melky was gone the instant they dealt for Granderson.

    They traded their CF and replaced him with Granderson, and in the process, traded their CF of the future.

    Too many good young outfielders/hitters went into those moves, which were directly related.
    ===

    I think that they shipped off AJax, because they liked Gardner–there’s no room for two light-hitting outfielders. And they sent Melky, because they liked Swisher’s power. Granderson as a bid to replace Damon. I don’t think that the Yanks had a true centerfielder in 2009.

  32. mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    IPK couldn’t handle NY. He couldn’t handle the pressure of the media. Anyone could see it in the postgame.

  33. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    “IPK couldn’t handle NY.”

    He never got a chance.

  34. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    IPK : “an NL pitcher…” – look up his statistics against AL teams..”disaster”…he IS a good NL pitcher who craps against the AL. Check it out.

    Seattles new #1 catcher is hitting almost .350…Shoppach; yes, Kelly Shoppach…..wonder who hits behind him. Maybe some players need to ‘man-up’ and quit using the line-up as an excuse for struggling.

    Is Russel Martin over the Mendoza line yet ?…more the two (2) RBI’s yet ?

  35. Locke April 21st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Captain Clutch April 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    Giving Ichiro 2 years made absolutely no sense. Especially for a team with so many older players. It smells of a Hal and Levine move just to make money off of him if he gets 3,000 hits. I really doubt that Cashman was behind the move. He probably has a little bit more left in him but not much.

    ——

    I agree that the 3,000 was probably what lured them into signing the second year, but I doubt he will reach it by the end of this contract. He’d have to log 200 hits each year of the contract.

    On another note, if ARod comes back healthy he has a chance of hitting 3000 at the end of this year. He’s at 2,901 now.

  36. mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Melky did nothing here pre-juice.
    Hindsight is 20-20.

  37. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Can’t champion the Granderson trade if you wanted to keep Cabrera. It meant Cabrera was on the move.

    ==

    Melky isn’t a Major League centerfielder.

  38. Captain Clutch April 21st, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    If Wells keeps hitting there is no way they can take him out of the lineup. He isn’t all star Wells but he is still a good presence in the lineup and can hit mistakes. He is more needed in the lineup than singles Ichiro.

  39. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Thank you, Ghostwriter.

    Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm

  40. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    “IPK : “an NL pitcher…” – look up his statistics against AL teams..”disaster”…he IS a good NL pitcher who craps against the AL. Check it out.”

    This is comical. Does sample size mean anything to you?

    “Maybe some players need to ‘man-up’ and quit using the line-up as an excuse for struggling.”

    So you rely on a tiny sample size with IPK, but ignore that Montero flourished here.

    Excuse is a funny word.

  41. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Melky did nothing here pre-juice.
    Hindsight is 20-20.
    ===

    Bullsh*t. He helped the Yanks win a lot of games in 2009, and was a heck of a lot more useful than Swhisher in the postseason. This isn’t hindsight. It was blazingly clear at the time.

  42. luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    Suffice is to say that I don’t agree with the ” win now” mentality… I find it shortsighted and counterproductive…
    =============================
    Its worked for over 100 years.

    ==========================

    Wrong!! The “win now” mentality was established by George and aside for those two titles we won back in the 70′s, it doesn’t work… A good home grown core complimented with a few FA’s and shrewed trades is what works ( look at the dynasties of the 20′s, 30′s,40′s, 50′s).. Stick Michaels formula… The moment he retired, we went back to old George’s MO… When Cashman announced that we were going back to that policy in 2008, I was a staunch supporter of his… The problem is that he talks the talk for hardly walks the walk

  43. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Can’t champion the Granderson trade if you wanted to keep Cabrera. It meant Cabrera was on the move.

    ==

    Melky isn’t a Major League centerfielder.
    _

    They always had Gardner to play CF and put Melky in a corner OF sllot.

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    “And IPK was a pitcher worth keeping as he has shown.”

    luis, not to pick on you, but just to use this as an example of one of the greatest fallacies about the game, IMO. I don’t believe you can look at how a player does on another team and make automatic assumptions about how he would have done with the Yankees or anyone else except for that team. Maybe IPK thrives in the lay-back atmosphere of the Dbacks.

  45. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    “…Maybe IPK thrives in the lay-back atmosphere of the Dbacks..”

    AND enjoys pitching vs. NL teams…..NOT the AL, to date.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Here’s what was wrong: they messed around with a World Champion team.

    They got cute by getting rid of Melky and made the Big Blunder with Chamberlain that has caused them to seek a “No. 2″ like it was the God particle, or something.

    They got rid of young hitters in this search of theirs and they could be sitting pretty today with a No. 1 and TWO No. 2s, TWO potential No 2s or at worst, No 3s (C, and then Kuroda-Pettitte-Chamberlain-Kennedy) while they wait for the farm and the younger starters to keep gaining experience. (Granted, they may not have signed Kuroda but you could have done so any way, since he’s going year to year).

    An OF with Melky and AJax may not hit for much power but in Yankee Stadium Melky could hit 20-25 jacks and AJax can hit line drives and run all day.

  47. mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Luis, the Yanks have always been a Win Now franchise.
    It started way before George, that’s just way off base.

  48. luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Trisha,

    A pitcher with a mid 90′s FB, a killer CU, a good CB can pitch anywhere

  49. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    They always had Gardner to play CF and put Melky in a corner OF sllot.

    ======

    That’s my point. I’m essentially indifferent between Gardner and Grtanderson in center field,with a slight preference for Gardner.

  50. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    “…Maybe IPK thrives in the lay-back atmosphere of the Dbacks..”

    AND enjoys pitching vs. NL teams…..NOT the AL, to date.
    ___

    All of 10 games in inter-league play. The rest when he was a just breaking in.

    These stats are comically small.

  51. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    “That’s my point. I’m essentially indifferent between Gardner and Grtanderson in center field,with a slight preference for Gardner.”

    Except as of today, Gardner is vastly superior defensively than Granderson.`

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Melky was the CF on their championship team. They preferred Granderson. And yes, they preferred Gardner overall to Melky. I’d take Melky over both those guys, and I’d have put him in RF and handed CF to Ajax.

  53. mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    It is so easy to proclaim we would have been better if we did this or that.
    How do you know this unless you are a psychic, who are full of crap too…

  54. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    …they got rid of Melky because he was an idiot with a bad influence with Cano.

    Absolutely the right move to jettison him for whatever & let Cano develop without Cabrera messing him up.

    I think that worked out pretty well for us.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Granderson would have bagged Melky’s double yesterday.
    I think they should restore Gardy to LF when Grandy comes back. Put Wells in RF if he continues to play at this level.

  56. Pat M. April 21st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    MG…..Not many stayed in the Ian Kennedy fan club back then, but I always thought that both he and Hughes will win 200 games in their MLB careers. I still say this will come to be. D-Backs wanted Ian otherwise the deal was dead…. Besides the front office must have felt that the club coming off a 2009 Championship still had a shot at a few more championships. They needed a left handed bat to help ease the loss of Mats and Damon. Granderson is a very good CF with 40 dinger pop. Ian’s real good and is going to get better

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    “Trisha,

    A pitcher with a mid 90?s FB, a killer CU, a good CB can pitch anywhere”

    luis, it depends on the psychological makeup of the pitcher. Jeff Weaver, Javier Vasquez, Ted Lilly, to name but three.

    I believe Boomer would pitch anywhere.

    The spotlight of the Bronx is neither kind nor patient.

  58. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Here’s what was wrong: they messed around with a World Champion team.

    =============

    They didn’t have much choice. Damon and Matsui were in their walk years, and in decline. Cashman was right to let Damon go. Losing Matsui was unfortunate. Getting Granderson was not a bad move, all things equal.

  59. fantasygame101 April 21st, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Nova starts the fire, logan fan the fire and phelps put gasoline on the fire. Then to make sure, Phelps put an exploding tank on the fire.

    After 2 walks to force in a run, Ichiro did not even gave Johnson a chance to walk him.

  60. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    We’d KILL any pitcher – on here – who was on the NYY with a 1-7 record.

  61. mick April 21st, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Sure nuff, let’s keep the steroid user who upped his game after he discovered it out of NY and keeeping him around Cano would have been a great idea.
    Is that psychic enough for ya?

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    I think that worked out pretty well for us.
    ///

    Know what you mean. We’ve won so many rings since he got traded. And we certainly couldn’t have used his approach against the Tigers in the postseason the last couple of years.

  63. luis April 21st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Mick,

    They may have had a “win now” mentality, but they sure made certain to stay on top long term… How? by developing internally their own core… Sure they brought in good players by trades ( different times, No FA and no draft, happy days! ), but they developed their cores, otherwise how can we speak of the great yankees? Aside from Ruth and Ruffing, all in the top ten were home grown… That’s the key…

  64. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Pat M. April 21st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    MG…..Not many stayed in the Ian Kennedy fan club back then, but I always thought that both he and Hughes will win 200 games in their MLB careers. I still say this will come to be. D-Backs wanted Ian otherwise the deal was dead…. Besides the front office must have felt that the club coming off a 2009 Championship still had a shot at a few more championships. They needed a left handed bat to help ease the loss of Mats and Damon. Granderson is a very good CF with 40 dinger pop. Ian’s real good and is going to get better
    =

    Nice post. The fact is that Grandy has been a good player for us. However, we had to give up some quality players to get him. It is what is. You aren’t going to snooker very many teams ot give up good players for nothing.

  65. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    luis April 21st, 2013 at 4:53 pm
    Trisha,

    A pitcher with a mid 90?s FB, a killer CU, a good CB can pitch anywhere
    __
    QFT. Just like Kuroda can pitch anywhere. Had to chuckle about that because if you knew Kuroda’s work and watched him pitch in the NL, you knew he could pitch in the AL.

    As for “winning now.” Tell all the teams who “win now” with young players that if they incorporate them, they can only win later. Plus we “won now” in 2009 with some young players and a young BP, so this correlation is suspect. Maybe we didn’t “win now” in 2010, 2011 and 2012 because we DIDN’T incorporate our youngsters, and we’re too old, slow and lacked bat speed.

  66. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    “…they got rid of Melky because he was an idiot with a bad influence with Cano.”

    Than they should have gotten rid of him for something of value.

    You have no idea what Melky is.

  67. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    And Nova was mad at himself today, and didn’t say it, but wanted to use a curse word to describe some of his pitching. So, was he remorseful enough for the peanut gallery? We sure as heck know that IPK wasn’t… and the media ran hand in hand with the fanbase on that one. Silly.

  68. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “They needed a left handed bat to help ease the loss of Mats and Damon. Granderson is a very good CF with 40 dinger pop. Ian’s real good and is going to get better”

    Granderson is an average CF at best and was already in decline when Detroit fleeced Cashman.

  69. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    How? by developing internally their own core…
    =============================
    There are no guarantees your core will succeed.
    If there are better options out there they have always traded away “core”pieces for proven missing pieces to win titles.
    Melky, IPK, Ajax, Montero do not qualify as game changers.

  70. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    UpState April 21st, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    …they got rid of Melky because he was an idiot with a bad influence with Cano.

    ===

    How do you know this?

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “A pitcher with a mid 90?s FB, a killer CU, a good CB can pitch anywhere”

    Jeff Weaver, Javier Vasquez, and Ted Lilly, to name but three.

  72. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Melky is an “idiot.” Kind of subjective, and how do we know he was a bad influence on Cano? Internet hearsay is the best of sources.

  73. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    “idiot?” should have had a question mark for the rhetorical question…

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    They didn’t have much choice. Damon and Matsui were in their walk years, and in decline. Cashman was right to let Damon go. Losing Matsui was unfortunate.
    ///

    Oh I agree. I didn’t want Damon to hang around for another year, although he was a key guy for us. The point is, Melky was ready to take the next step as a hitter. That was clear as day to anyone who could get past the “he’s corrupting Cano” meme and actually watch his ABs dispassionately. That was a mistake: to get rid of a 25-year old switch hitter who had .300 hitter written all over him. Mattingly understood that, Alex got it, Cano got it. Cashman thought of him as “a fourth OF,” so no, he didn’t get it.

    The other mistake was putting Chamberlain in the bullpen. Then, they exacerbated that by getting rid of their young CF prospect, who is now starring in center for the Detroit Tigers, who have shoved us out of the playoffs for two years running.

    That 2010 team I never believed in, even when it started strong. I did not like it. OTOH, when the 2009 team started slow, and when it had lost eight straight or whatever it was to Boston, I thought, this team’s going to win the World Series. They were a new mix of players that just needed to gel. You could see it was a somewhat flawed by extremely powerful team with really good pitching and a good young bullpen.

    In 2010, they got old all at once in that Texas series. But they had already made moves to make getting younger and transitioning that much harder. They’ve had their chances: they dealt Montero, they whiffed on Cespedes, etc.

  75. luis April 21st, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Trisha,

    Ted Lilly was never given a chance, he was shipped in his sophomore season if I am not mistaken… He turned out to be a pretty good pitcher, same goes with Leiter… Jeff Weaver had a fluke season in Detroit, traded to us and never had a good season after.

    Javy, you have a point.

    I just think that IPK’s makeup was and is very good… That unfortunate interview he gave shows it… Misguided and arrogant, but it showed you he had the character to defend himself… That’s what you want in a pitcher

  76. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Daniel Barbarisi@DanBarbarisi
    Hafner says that was the first time in his career he’s ever tried to bunt against the shift. “It should work 9 out of 10 times,” he said
    ____
    Haf, can you tell this to Teix? :)

  77. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Maybe we didn’t “win now” in 2010, 2011 and 2012 because we DIDN’T incorporate our youngsters, and we’re too old, slow and lacked bat speed.
    ====================================
    Problem is we did win now, just not the WS. Close but no cigar.
    Doubt these youngsters would have made the difference esp Melky who was suspended.
    Montero? IPK? Ajax? That’s all too iffy. You can’t win every year.

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Pretty funny, actually. Cano’s two years’ Melky’s elder.

  79. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Cash had to have Javy not once but twice. I wasn’t a fan of the move. But in fairness to the player he had a decline in his velo, and should never have been put in as a RP with the bases loaded in a Game 7. Just shows how far we had fallen pitching-wise.

  80. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    “Haf, can you tell this to Teix? ”

    It’s just an opinion, but Tex seems complacent. Guys who don’t have almost $200m guaranteed may look at the world differently.

  81. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    it showed you he had the character to defend himself… That’s what you want in a pitcher
    ================================
    A pitcher doesn’t have to defend himself. It’s not about him. He should be above that and not take it personally.

  82. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    “Problem is we did win now, just not the WS. Close but no cigar.
    Doubt these youngsters would have made the difference esp Melky who was suspended.
    Montero? IPK? Ajax? That’s all too iffy. You can’t win every year.”

    But if you are in win-now mode, you better actually win.

    Those kids would have set them up to win for years.

    Instead, they have to take flyers on aging vets.

  83. filthy slider April 21st, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    can’t wait for bret lawrie to get hurt, can’t stand that a wipe

  84. luis April 21st, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    “Problem is we did win now, just not the WS. Close but no cigar.
    Doubt these youngsters would have made the difference esp Melky who was suspended.
    Montero? IPK? Ajax? That’s all too iffy. You can’t win every year.”

    But if you are in win-now mode, you better actually win.

    Those kids would have set them up to win for years.

    Instead, they have to take flyers on aging vets.

    ========================

    This

  85. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    I wish we could afford Granderson, he compliments Wells and Ichiro much better. But money is an issue and committing big money to Granderson is foolish considering the crop of OF on the way. Still if a GM made a compelling offer for Gardner at the deadline I think the Yankees would have to consider it.

  86. luis April 21st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Mick,

    When you are young, you tend to do foolish things… This was one of them, but it nevertheless shows makeup

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    It was more than internet heresay. It was pretty much written about everywhere, how the two were seen out partying late into the night all the time, and how both their games were affected by it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....e-1.319246

  88. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Flores 3/6 with a triple.

  89. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    trish, how do you know Cano wasn’t influencing Melky to go out?

  90. blake April 21st, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Still in Hades….how’d Nova look today?

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    “trish, how do you know Cano wasn’t influencing Melky to go out?”

    I don’t know that. I just know that the combination ended up being a bad one at some point.

  92. luis April 21st, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    YF,

    Good post on the game thread about Nova, Phelps and Warren.

    QFT on your post about 2010,2011 and so forth

  93. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    But if you are in win-now mode, you better actually win.
    =====================================
    Thought that’s what they have been doing the past close to 20 years.
    Not good enough?

  94. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Really the only mistake I see is letting go of Melky and Austin Jackson, the rest are not going to amount to much and don’t belong in the same sentence. And even Melky and Austin Jackson still have question marks. Melky hasn’t had a ped free season that we know of recently and Austin Jackson still strikes out alot and his OPS is hovering around 800 last I checked. Neither is ticketed to the HOF. And Jesus Montero lost his job to Kelly Shoppach. IPK would be no better than Hughes in the AL East.

  95. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Actually this article mentions nothing about partying, and how did Cano hit .342 that first year (2006)with Melky around, and put up stellar numbers in other years, plus win a world series with Melky on the Yankees?

  96. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Gone are the days of turning Russ Davis into Tino Martinez and Roberto Kelly into Paul O’Neill, however.

  97. luis April 21st, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Mr Bustero,

    I rather have a good situational hitter CF than an all or nothing 40 homer CF… Especially one that is having a tough time identifying pitches in the middle of the plate

  98. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    This was one of them, but it nevertheless shows makeup
    ========================
    Luis,
    He had his shot, as did Lilly. We all saw enough of them to know they couldn’t pitch in NY as the sensitive types they were.
    It’s not the 1st time, won’t be the last…there are too many to name.

  99. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    trish, there was no source and it has never been confirmed; just like so much other internet innuendo about so many things Yankee.

  100. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    luis, thanks, and agree about Lilly.

  101. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    “Actually this article mentions nothing about partying, and how did Cano hit .342 that first year (2006)with Melky around, and put up stellar numbers in other years, plus win a world series with Melky on the Yankees?”

    Who caress about facts when you can just smear someone?

  102. luis April 21st, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Got to go guys… Anyway, we took the series… y only comment about the game would be Ichiro’s at bat with the bases loaded… I am still shaking my head.

    Later folks

    Mick,

    One last thing, one season isn’t a shot… i think they were wrong on Lilly, as they were with leiter, as they were wrong on IPK and finally but not least, as they are wrong with Joba

  103. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Luis I’ve conceded that I wish we still had Melky and Austin Jackson, but the rest are lumped into sentences with them all the time. It’s like when the USDA recommends fruits vegetables and grains as part of a healthy diet, always some combination phrased in different ways and always including whole grains.

    There is nothing whole about grains and nothing particularly healthy about eating mountains of bread and pasta which is what they keep pushing in the literature and in MyPyramid and on MyPlate.

    It’s a clever marketing ploy but I see right through it and it’s weak.

  104. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Rich, love the way players can be smeared all over the place, but not management. Look at the crap people say about Joba and Hughes to name two players, and Cano BEFORE he stopped being lazy. ;) And all the character attacks on Jeter. I don’t presume to know what is or isn’t true about players, but I will err on the side of giving them the benefit of the doubt. The internet just blows things up. I don’t believe anything without a verfiable source.

  105. Rich in NJ April 21st, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    “He had his shot, as did Lilly. ”

    Lilly’s ERA+ was 130 in his last season in NY. Yup, he really blew it

  106. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    *verifiable source (and even that can be agenda’d)

  107. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    It’s very shady.

  108. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    When you are young, you tend to do foolish things…
    ========================

    Wrong!

    We don’t know what went on behind the scene.
    He prolly popped off to Girardi about how good he thought he was.
    Good pitchers listen to criticism and learn from it.
    Nova is doing the same thing now.
    They both remind me of Sterling Hitchc@ck. They just aren’t as good as they think they are.

  109. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    And all the character attacks on Jeter.
    =========================
    Poor example.

  110. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Don’t you ever EVER try to bring down Sterling Hitchcoke

  111. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    mick, in the postgame interview Nova harshly criticized himself did you not see it? What more should he do, ask to be flayed?

  112. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    It was more than internet heresay. It was pretty much written about everywhere, how the two were seen out partying late into the night all the time, and how both their games were affected by it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..e-1.319246

    —-

    That article doesn’t prove your point, and it predates the Cabrera trade by more than a year.

  113. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Said he was mad at himself, said he was sh*t, couldn’t repeat his delivery on fastball.

  114. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    .500 pitchers with 3 walks and 3 K’s and out by the 5th don’t make it in NY.
    or elsewhere for that matter.
    if they pick up 1 or 2 innings elsewhere, doesn’t mean it would have happened here.
    too much pressure in this town, not a small town, it’s a big city…

  115. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Andy McCullough @McCulloughSL
    Ivan Nova is struggling to repeat delivery. “I’ll throw a good fastball and then the next one is . . . I’m not going to say the word on TV.”

  116. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    mick, in the postgame interview Nova harshly criticized himself did you not see it? What more should he do, ask to be flayed?
    ============================
    that was a 1st for him then, let’s see.

  117. luis April 21st, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Ok Mick,

    Let’s say you are right…. If they are unable to learn and take criticism, then why IPK is doing so great?… Nova has done everything they have asked of him… Usually when you don’t listen you are out of baseball sooner rather than later… I don’t see IPK out of basebal anytime soon… And Nova the moment he gets consistent with his mechanics is going to be an ace… If he doesn’t, he will be a mid rotation guy, which I still think is pretty good.

    So. so much for your theory

    Have a good one, and excuse me if I offended you in any way.

  118. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    I’ve seen more than a few comments on here that suggest that the reason the Yanks traded Melky was because they thought he was a bad influence on Cano. Has that been proven by a verifiable source?

  119. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    “…why IPK is doing so great?”

    Pitching in the NL West could have something to do with it, even if you don’t buy the “he’s just an NL pitcher” stuff. Also, older, more mature, and getting traded sometimes serves as a wake up call for players. He could be doing just as well by now had he stayed in NY, we just don’t know.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    “trish, there was no source and it has never been confirmed; just like so much other internet innuendo about so many things Yankee.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....e-1.319246

    In addition, Kevin Long talked about how Melky partied too much, was out of shape, and lost his focus. So maybe Melky was the one influencing Robby.

    And you’d have to be Nostradamus to say you know how Melky’s career will progress after finding out he was on steroids.

    I loved the kid as a Yankee and was sad to see him go when he did because it appeared he had straightened things out, but there was no question that both he and Robby hit the skids at the same time, either as a result of their partying – or in spite of it. And now that he’s a known user, well I wouldn’t want to see him back on the team.

  121. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    And Nova the moment he gets consistent with his mechanics is going to be an ace…
    ======================
    Luis,
    How do you know these things?
    Are you a psychic?
    ========================
    So. so much for your theory

    I love when you think you bust someone’s theory by just saying so. Using your explanations as to how someone is wrong is all based on your opinion, there are no facts.

  122. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Lots of young pitchers can’t go six in the beginnings of their career, and if you look at Nova’s 2012 stats he actually went six and even seven innings (and 8 once) quite a few times.

  123. luis April 21st, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    I am just giving an opinion and I stand by it… But again, you need to take all my post for context…

    I have to go later

  124. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Who really gives a rat’s patoot about what kind of interviews or postgame analysis a player gives? Ridiculous.

  125. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    trish, I don’t think we should judge players based on internet innuendo is all. As for being a “user,” it is so hard to know who does and doesn’t “use” in baseball, so I won’t even tread on that territory.

  126. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Ghost, agree.

  127. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    “That article doesn’t prove your point, and it predates the Cabrera trade by more than a year.”

    Someone said Melky was a bad influence on Cano, and I thought YF said it was merely internet heresay. That’s what I was responding to.

  128. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    But again, you need to take all my post for context…
    ===============================
    i guess you mean out of context, which makes no sense to me.
    i guess we both are adamant in our feelings , so be it…no hard feelings

  129. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    The most disappointing thing about Nova is that by this time in his career, season 3, Chien-Ming Wang was on his way to posting his second straight 19 win season as a number 2 in the thick of the steroid era.

  130. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    This NL pitcher stuff is such BS. If it was ever true, it sure isn’t true any more. Folks on this forum really need to get over it. How many many World Series and AllStar games has the National League has won over the last few years? The NL is at least as good as the AL at this stage of the game. IF IPK is good in the NL West, he would be good in the AL East.

  131. mick April 21st, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    As for being a “user,” it is so hard to know who does and doesn’t “use” in baseball, so I won’t even tread on that territory.
    ===================
    they all have used, once that list comes out, which mlb won’t allow, they will all be on a level playing field.

  132. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Now that Arod is a known user I don’t want him back on the team either. In fact I would rehab him indefinitely. This is the house that Youk built.

  133. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    nick, may I add to your reasons for IPK’s success (don’t know that I agree with the NL thing but no criteria to judge), his maturing and becoming a pitcher? IPK really needed to be able to command his pitches and adjust to the major league strike zone. If you recall, some of his pitches were just off the plate, and he was not getting the strike calls. Improved command and adjusting to the tendencies of major league batters and umps’ strike zones are a part of IPK’s evolution and maturing. And an uptick in fb doesn’t hurt either.

  134. Ghostwriter April 21st, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    “That article doesn’t prove your point, and it predates the Cabrera trade by more than a year.”

    Someone said Melky was a bad influence on Cano, and I thought YF said it was merely internet heresay. That’s what I was responding to.
    ====

    That article doesn’t establish that Cabrera was a bad influence, and it doesn’t talk about their partying excessively. It simply says that Cano got hot after Cabrera was demoted, and suggesting a correlation between the two events.

  135. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Later, luis.

  136. Nick in SF April 21st, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    “may I add to your reasons for IPK’s success… his maturing and becoming a pitcher?”

    That’s more echoing than adding to, but yes you may. ;)

  137. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Ian Kennedy’s ERA+ was 103 last year. It’s 75 so far this year.

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Have a great night luis.

    YF – well we do know that Melky used. He admitted it.

    Look, not everyone is bothered by someone being an admitted user of steroids, especially when you see that person’s numbers go through the roof. There are people here who still would like Manny on the team.

    I’m someone bothered by it. So for me it’s a personal thing. And I’m sure my head would spin if I were ever able to know all of the players who have used and/or are still using and haven’t gotten caught – or haven’t admitted to it.

    Anyway, so far so good for this Yankee team. I’d still like to see Phelps sent down so he could get more productive use, but something makes me think that’s not going to happen.

    Have a great night. Truth – I am going to take a ride to Pastiche. Haven’t been there in a while!

    :)

  139. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    mick, agree.

  140. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Jeff Karstens last two years with the Pirates he posted an ERA+ of 110 and 94 with a lower WHIP than IPK.

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock April 21st, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    You don’t have to be a seer to know how to recognize a good hitter when you see one.

    This is not meant to be snarky, but it’s interesting to me that the people here who say these things are the same ones who never seem to be in the actual flow of discussion, rather they discuss the discussion (and I don’t even necessarily mean they discuss it derisively). I think that this is not a coincidence.

    Good one, all.

  142. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Jeff Karstens and IPK would get bombed in the AL East, just like their colleague and peer Phil Hughes.

    The most horrible part about Nova’s struggles is he was considered a possible dark horse like Wang but he just doesn’t compare at all so far and it’s getting late early.

  143. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Trish, I don’t root for a player to use so that his numbers can go “through the roof.” Not even sure if that is the case. Melky is a very good hitter roids or no roids. Manny is one of the greatest hitters who has ever lived. And mick is right, the playing field will be leveled at some point if lists come out, but we know ballplayers will do anything to get an edge. So, I can’t get all didactic when I don’t have a beat on the culture of the sport. And they will never send Phelps down…

    However, more importantly, what are you getting at Pastiche? :)

  144. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    I am off myself to find some dinner. Have a good one, Yankee people.

  145. Pat M. April 21st, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Man, Granderson has hit over 100 long balls in 3 years, has made some highlite catches in the postseason and is labeled as average… Who was the last outfielder that the Yanks traded for that supplied that kind of power ??? Roger Maris maybe ???? Let’s not be blinded by our affection for farm chattels. Austin Jackson was not going to help the Yanks in 2010-2112. He’s still not as good of a ballplayer as Granderson. Let’s take off the blinders folks

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    “That article doesn’t establish that Cabrera was a bad influence, and it doesn’t talk about their partying excessively. It simply says that Cano got hot after Cabrera was demoted, and suggesting a correlation between the two events.”

    There were articles written contemporaneously that talked about their going out and partying together every night. I remember reading about it at the time. I didn’t think it was a real reach to think that was contributing to their “diminished production.”

  147. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Partying is kind of what young players do….

  148. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    True Pat M., Granderson could have easily been part of 2 championship teams since the trade with those 40 HR seasons from CF. It’s not his fault the rest of the team is who they are and he’s not been complimented by contact hitters. A slugger can be useful in a balanced offense. And his power from CF is unmatched in baseball.

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    “However, more importantly, what are you getting at Pastiche? :)

    You know I’m not sure. At this time of day they seem to be pretty low on stock so I guess I’ll have to see what is left in the case.

    And then there’s Caserta. I will never understand how people flip out over their Wimpy Skippy’s. I think they’re nothing more than a pocket of watery spinach with pepperoni and olives!

    :)

  150. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    It was more than internet heresay. It was pretty much written about everywhere, how the two were seen out partying late into the night all the time, and how both their games were affected by it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..e-1.319246

    ————————————–

    Thank you, Tricia.

    ..and I’m sure the NYY’s found out which one was the “XXX” (whatever politically correct word some of you’d like)…and chose to keep CANO ….and trade off Cabrera.

    I guess there wasn’t a better deal out there at that time…

  151. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Pineda has a DUI: by your logic, maybe he parties too much; maybe we should trade him.

  152. blake April 21st, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    I’ll take 2 of 3 in Toronto anytime….

  153. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    “Partying is kind of what young players do….”

    But when it’s excessive, then of course it can become a problem.

  154. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Of course I am just kidding, but … we don’t know anything about these players’ habits and how it affects their game. Look at Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle and David Wells… Anyway, I need food, so later.

  155. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Enjoy Pastiche! :)

  156. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    And so far Austin Jackson has a career OPS of .763 with the Tigers. He’s .797 so far this year in a lineup where he is followed by Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder – two monster MVP guys. The trade has been a win so far for 3 years and could be through 4 if Granderson mashes in the playoffs and finally helps win a ring. Then Detroit would really only have 2 more bonus years of Austin Jackson.

    So in the end we can be looking at 3 years of better production in CF plus a ring in exchange for 2 bonus years of Austin Jackson.

    Whoopdee freakin doo

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    “Pineda has a DUI: by your logic, maybe he parties too much; maybe we should trade him.”

    I don’t know if you’re talking to me, but if so, it isn’t my logic. It was a case of cause and effect. And if I considered it to be the case, I’d have wanted Joba run out on a rail too.

    As far as I know, neither Pineda nor Joba got their DUI’s during the season/when they were playing. If players want to party their brains out during the off season and it doesn’t affect their on-field production, well have at.

  158. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Me too YF! Off to Pastiche!

    :)

  159. waka flocka April 21st, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    whether or not Cabrera influenced Cano, he was definitely out of shape with ATL. there’s no denying that

  160. yankeefeminista April 21st, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    I went details later, Trish. :)

  161. blake April 21st, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    “So in the end we can be looking at 3 years of better production in CF plus a ring in exchange for 2 bonus years of Austin Jackson.”

    Bret….you also have to account for the money difference though. Jackson played for the league minimum for those first two years and is still really cheap…..what else could they have bought for the money difference?

  162. ac1 April 21st, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    This is a team that doesnt trust youth. Ajax would have wasted away in aaa…..

  163. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    To put into proper context, Lenny Dykstra’s career OPS was .793. Austin Jackson would be lucky to turn .763 into that by the time he’s through.

    No reason to pull out your hair.

    I knew somebody was going to mention the money difference (which I figured was implied) and I should of figured it would be you Blake but please, please call me Buster

  164. comnsnse April 21st, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Jesus please post some of your recipes please!

    We can not go far with this lineup, bandaids only cover the wound.

    Given there is every possibility that neither Aroid or Jeter will be back and who kinows what Tex will bring when he returns and do they actually try to extend Grandy another mystery.

    I hold Grandy if no good offer, qualify him after the season taking the choice.

    The only way to resign him is as a LF 3years 36mm.per.

    The log jam of unproven starters must be resolved, Hughes, Nova,Phelps, Warren. I keep trying with Nova who has very good stuff but as previously stated should bag one pitch until he can locate his #1 and repeat give warren a shot.

    I like the poster who said Phelps reminds him of Karstens who is a back of the rotation guy.

    At this point there does not seem to be anything exciting in the pitching dept. in the minors but we desperately need some LH starters and relievers.

    This is the weakest offense since Horace Clarke and Jerry whatisname!

    At least those guys were younger!

    As for the Melky stuff check why they moved Martin! Now that was real Latin…..Quarter discrimination! ;)

  165. Jesus Bustero April 21st, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    At one point fans were conflicted over Montero vs. Trout and Montero vs. Bryce Harper. When will the prospect hugging craze end? Pretty soon I hope. The poster boy is about to get drop kicked, suplexed and Snuka’d

  166. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Pat M. April 21st, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    Man, Granderson has hit over 100 long balls in 3 years, has made some highlite catches in the postseason and is labeled as average… Who was the last outfielder that the Yanks traded for that supplied that kind of power ??? Roger Maris maybe ???? Let’s not be blinded by our affection for farm chattels. Austin Jackson was not going to help the Yanks in 2010-2112. He’s still not as good of a ballplayer as Granderson. Let’s take off the blinders folks
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    I love to read “bulls-eyes” !

    (….Horace Clarke & Jerry Kenney)

  167. Pat M. April 21st, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    They, I turned a few dp’s with Horace. He actually wasn’t as bad as Yankee fans make him out to be…..He is and was the face of the CBS NYY’s

  168. UpState April 21st, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    …and Steve Whitaker should’ve been HUGE !!!

    Loved him !

    (…but he wasn’t )

  169. Triple Short of a Cycle April 21st, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    WAR

    Austin Jackson
    2010 – 5.2
    2011 – 5.0
    2012 – 5.5

    Curtis Granderson
    2010 – 4.5
    2011 – 5.4
    2012 – 3.0

  170. comnsnse April 21st, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Upstate, Granderson is an average CF by major league standards. Have you considered his “highlight catches” are a result of not getting the best jump on the ball?

    Yes his power numbers are impressive but I also don’t remember the last O.F. on the Yankees to strike out 200 times.

    Joe D I believe struck out less than 50 times in any year.

    Granderson is the Yankee version of Gorman Thomas, respectfully.

  171. comnsnse April 21st, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Jesus, Superfly Jimmy? Most excellent but you still underestimate Montero.

    I too agree he will be moved since they believe Zunino is ready and they are still committed to Smoak for now.

    Jesus could be the new Martinez……..and I still think the yanks would love to have him back!

  172. comnsnse April 21st, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Busto, since we’re being honest that ring was purchased at a very prohibitive cost in both prospects and dollars.

    Leading to our 2013 ‘austerity” plan!

    And we all should know how well austerity has worked in more than sport’s venues!

  173. sunny615 April 22nd, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Nova sucks a$$ and should be sent to the national league. move on already.

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