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Postgame notes: “I haven’t been able to do much”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 23, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ichiro Suzuki was hitless in his first two at-bats tonight — just another day for a guy who’s off to a slow start that has already raised questions about the Yankees decision to give him a two-year contract. But then he singled in the eighth and alertly went first to third on a slow roller into left field, setting up the tying run. Then he came up with two outs and the bases loaded in the ninth, and he jumped on a 99-mph first-pitch fastball for the two-run single that won the game.

“You think about what Ich did in the eighth and what he did in the ninth,” Joe Girardi said. “His speed helped us, and then (being) a great hitter for a long time helped us in the ninth. … Hopefully it really gets him going because, we’ve seen him, and he can get extremely hot.”

A lot of this game rested on Phil Hughes being able to legitimately duel with David Price, but in the end, it was Ichiro — the guy with a .220 average — who had the biggest hit and the biggest base-running decision. Girardi dismissed the fact that there have been doubts about Ichiro based on his age and early production, but those sort of questions are unavoidable in a situation like this, and Ichiro himself seemed to acknowledge that they’ve been well deserved.

“I haven’t been able to do much,” he said. “But hopefully things like this will get me past it and be able to have a good year.”

Ichiro on the base-running decision in the eighth: “It’s hard to explain. All the experience that I’ve had, I can’t really say this was the reason (for going for third). You just kind of get a feel that I could make it there. … It was a steal, so I was just running. I didn’t see him hit the ball, but I heard it. Luckily when I looked up, I saw the ball in front of me. Maybe that was the point that I thought I would go to third.”

Ichiro on the ninth-inning at-bat: “I just wanted to be ready mentally, emotionally be ready for that. I swung at the first pitch and was ready to go out there.”

• Seems like Hughes must have made significant changes after that 32-pitch first inning, but he said that wasn’t really the case at all. “To be honest, I didn’t really make too many adjustments,” he said. “There was a walk and a double to Jennings and Roberts, and (those were) two at-bats where I felt like on earlier pitches I had them struck out and didn’t get the call. So I had to grind out that inning and dig deep. I was able to strike out Longoria and Joyce to end it. It was tough to throw that many pitches in the first but the inning could’ve been a lot worse. To get out of that with just one run and give us some length was good.”

• Hughes really settled in after that double. Of the next 20 batters, only three reached base and none went past first. That stretch ended with a leadoff walk in the seventh, and Hughes ultimately gave up the go-ahead run on a Jose Moline single on a misplaced fastball. “I got him my first two at bats with sliders,” Hughes said. “I felt like I needed to quicken him up and locate a good fastball down and away to be able to go back to that slider. Just out over the plate. … I thought the game was over in the seventh after making that bad pitch.”

• Girardi was quick to point out that Hughes was especially good with his offspeed stuff tonight. Hughes is usually a fastball guy, but his slider and curveball were really key. “These guys are aggressive,” Hughes said. “Anytime you get a team that likes to sit fastball early in the count you have to adjust your game plan and be smart out there. Thankfully I was locating my offspeed pitches and that was a big key.”

• Hughes did not allow a home run. Nor did the Yankees hit one, snapping their streak of nine straight road games with a homer.

• The Yankees didn’t have an extra-base hit, but they were good on the bases and managed to turn nine singles into four runs. “We stole a couple of bases tonight and I thought they were pretty aggressive (going) first to third,” Girardi said. “When you’re facing a guy like David Price, you’re not going to get a lot of opportunities so you’ve got to take advantage of them.”

• According to the Rays notes, Vernon Wells’ fourth-inning RBI single was his second opposite0field hit of the season. In 77 games last season, Wells had two opposite-field hits all year.

• Mariano Rivera is now 6-for-6 in save opportunities, passing his save total for last season. This was only the fifth time in his past 103 save opportunities that he allowed a home run.

• Hughes threw 32 pitches in the first inning, his most in a first inning since throwing 33 against the White Sox on September 17, 2008. Hughes threw just four pitches in the fourth inning. All of them were fastballs.

• Kevin Youkilis said he’s hoping to play tomorrow. The tightness in his back is in the same place it’s been previously in his career, but he said he felt better today and he wants to give Girardi the chance to play him tomorrow. “Hopefully I feel great and put it in their hands,” he said.

• In their past 14 games, the Yankees are 10-4 and their starters have a 3.10 ERA. That’s the best in the American League over that stretch.

• Final word to Hughes: “I’m making progress. I feel like I can be better, but they’re certainly steps in the right direction. Anytime you win a ballgame, you’re happy. I like the way the guys battled back tonight and I just feel like I can be better going forward.”

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147 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I haven’t been able to do much””

  1. Jesus Bustero April 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    jacksquat April 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Yanks don’t have more pitching than hitting (when everyone is healthy). Next year their signed starters are CC, Nova and Phelps. That’s it. And you can’t say they shouldn’t have traded for a pitcher because they are injury prone and then say we could have counted on our minor leaguers.

    Bo knows April 23rd, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    One comment on the Montero trade. The only value the Yankees could get was in a trade for a pitcher. Every scout I read stated that Montero was not catcher material. So a good hitter without a position is going to get you what kind of position player? Why is this so difficult?

    He looked good in a September callup. So the trade was good for both teams. I still think so and disagree that Montero would get full value in a trade for a position player. Nyet, with a capital Nye.

    __________

    Read this Luis, study it and learn to temper your posts.

  2. Jesus Bustero April 23rd, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Hughes is throwing a slider now?

    I can get aboard the train but the train left 4-5 years ago.

    If Hughes finds his slider from high school just in time for his contract, good for him. At least we can enjoy it one last season and maybe he boosts his trade value.

  3. MG April 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Jesus Bustero April 23rd, 2013 at 11:53 pm
    Hughes is throwing a slider now?

    I can get aboard the train but the train left 4-5 years ago.

    If Hughes finds his slider from high school just in time for his contract, good for him. At least we can enjoy it one last season and maybe he boosts his trade value.
    ——————-
    he started throwing it last year, probably around August and it’s been a very effective pitch for him in spots, I guess you haven’t been watching very closely.

  4. Jesus Bustero April 23rd, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Probably because it’s a curve ball.

  5. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Cashman thinks pitchers are more valuable than position players. So if Montero had diminished value, then getting a pitcher for him refutes the point.

  6. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Mr Bustero,

    You better go and learn some etiquette yourself… Read this and learn from it

    Good night

  7. Bo knows April 24th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    Probably because it’s a curve ball.
    ———————
    If you don’t know the difference between a CB and Slider, don’t announce it.

    Just cruisin aintcha. Must be tough being you.

  8. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    Cashman’s tarot card reader has spoken.

  9. MG April 24th, 2013 at 12:02 am

    Jesus Bustero April 23rd, 2013 at 11:56 pm
    Probably because it’s a curve ball.
    ————————–
    no, his curve ball is 76-79, the slider is 80-83, they are different pitches.

    But don’t let the facts confuse you , keep complaining. When are the Yankees going to trade for David DeJesus?

  10. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:02 am

    Goodnight, Luis.

  11. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:02 am

    “that is always your point, that the Yankees decision making is awful, we get it.”

    All you say is that they know more, we get it.

    Yet they lead MLB in money poorly spent.

    “As for evaluating pitching, every team makes mistakes about pitchers, it is an inexact science, you just have to hope that the hits outweigh the errors.”

    When is the last time they made a good trade for a top of the rotation starter?

    “my point was that if Montero doesn’t hit it doesn’t matter who he was traded for because he wouldn’t have helped them if he stayed.”

    Opportunity costs suggest otherwise.

  12. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    They’re the same pitch. The curve was tighter out of the pen.

  13. Nick in SF April 24th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    Glad the Yanks won tonight so everyone can be in a cheery mood around here. :roll:

    Hey Bo knows, do you follow Ukrainian soccer at all? Yesterday I won a few bucks betting on Arsenal Kiev over Karpaty, but it was really just a desperate cry for help.

  14. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Can’t field, can’t hit, sounds like a bustero to me.

    -Buster

  15. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:05 am

    The Yankees can trade for DeJesus and then package him for Soria.

  16. Jerkface April 24th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    They’re the same pitch. The curve was tighter out of the pen.

    Not. Slider is faster with less break. Hughes never threw an 83 mph curve.

  17. Jerkface April 24th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    Hughes developed the slider off his cutter grip.

  18. Bo knows April 24th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Cashman thinks pitchers are more valuable than position players. So if Montero had diminished value, then getting a pitcher for him refutes the point.
    ———————-
    See this presupposes that you know what Cashman thinks. Starting with a wobbly base statement doesn’t lead to rational conclusions. Anyway I won’t debate this polarizing mess with all the spewing involved. Stated my point and that’s it.

  19. randy l. April 24th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    mg-

    you do realize montero is 23 don’t you?

    age makes a big difference when players are this young.

    do the yankees have anyone 23 playing?

    who’s the youngest yankee starter?

    cervelli at 27?

    montero will likely be a free agent at 28.

    age matters.

    it’s crazy that the yankees are going through a down year and have no youth on the team.

    as i said , 20 players on trenton are older than montero.

    how is development working when the players are that old while they’re still in double a?

    that’s good management?

    i don’t think so.

  20. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    “See this presupposes that you know what Cashman thinks.”

    He said it: Pitching holds the keys to the kingdom.

    You’re right. It is a wobbly base.

  21. MG April 24th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:02 am
    “that is always your point, that the Yankees decision making is awful, we get it.”

    All you say is that they know more, we get it.

    Yet they lead MLB in money poorly spent.

    “As for evaluating pitching, every team makes mistakes about pitchers, it is an inexact science, you just have to hope that the hits outweigh the errors.”

    When is the last time they made a good trade for a top of the rotation starter?
    ———————————————
    No, I give my opinion, if it is supported by what the Yankees do that’s fine with me. In this case I would have kept Montero and tried to get him 300 ABs last year in the right spots because of his September callup performance. What I’m saying is that the Yankees saw things that told them to trade him and his lack of hitting since then supports their move.

    When is the last time any major league team made a good trade for a top of the rotation starter who wasn’t going to be a free agent at the end of the season? It isn’t like these guys grow on trees.

  22. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    His cutter got bombed. He threw a tight curve at around 80 mph. Maybe he’s showing flashes of it now but I doubt it’s his H.S. slider that was supposedly a ML out-pitch when he was in high school.

  23. G. Love April 24th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    Rich,

    I’m with you on the thought process. I just don’t believe Pineda was the best player out there that Montero, at that time, could’ve netted.

    I’m not arguing trading him. I’m arguing trading him for what we did.

    I almost chuckle when I see you guys penciling in Pineda in the rotation next year but then I want to cry because I know he’ll be a shell of the pitcher he was when he is on the mound against real competition.

    There’s been zero word out there about his velocity. If he’s throwing at 91mph or less? That’s all she wrote. He didn’t have the arsenal before major shoulder surgery to win with diminished stuff. Putting on Pinstripes is going to make his pitches better?

    I would wait before I pencil him into anything until we get some radar gun readings which are being like a very tight secret thus far.

    Could Montero have gotten us Justin Upton? Maybe. We’ll never know because Cashman’s phone only rang up Seattle. He called for Felix and walked away with Pineda who had a good 1/2 season and then diminished stuff reduced his effectiveness. If he returns after surgery with that 2nd half stuff or worse, you’ll all want to beat yourselves with a whip like that Albino in Davinci Code.

  24. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    He’ll be a shell of the pitcher he was? how do you know that?

  25. Nick in SF April 24th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    “Could Montero have gotten us Justin Upton?”

    Even I can answer that one, my friend!

  26. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    “I’m with you on the thought process. I just don’t believe Pineda was the best player out there that Montero, at that time, could’ve netted.”

    G. Love. I agree with this.

  27. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:13 am

    Cashman only called Seattle? Pretty sure he talked to Billy Beane about Gio Gonzalez as well and we all know how that ended.

  28. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    “No, I give my opinion, if it is supported by what the Yankees do that’s fine with me. In this case I would have kept Montero and tried to get him 300 ABs last year in the right spots because of his September callup performance. What I’m saying is that the Yankees saw things that told them to trade him and his lack of hitting since then supports their move.”

    No, it doesn’t. This year sample size means nothing unless you think that John Buck is Johnny Bench.

    Last year, Montero was good away from Safeco, which is an extreme pitcher’s park.

    What did the critics of the trade say when it was made: Jeter, A-Rod, and Tex were either aging or declining. Granderson may have been coming off an out of context season. Swisher was a free agent in a year.

    YET they traded their only ML ready (or near ML ready) bat for pitching.

    We have been proved right.

    “When is the last time any major league team made a good trade for a top of the rotation starter who wasn’t going to be a free agent at the end of the season? It isn’t like these guys grow on trees.”

    If they wanted to trade for a pitcher, Gio was the guy.

  29. MG April 24th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    randy, I will give you a rational answer to your above post.

    This is Mo’s last year, possibly Andy and Jeter’s last year as well.

    They have a small window of opportunity to get a ring this year and cap off this generation of great players with another title.

    With all their guys back and playing, they match up pretty well with the rest of baseball, particularly since they seem to have hit gold with both Wells and Youk this year.

    The Yankees don’t really have anyone in the minors at a young age ready to play in the big leagues and Montero, if he’s hitting .208, probably wouldn’t get the playing time he needs to reach his potential.

    I’m a long time Yankees fan, I’ve seen great Yankees teams going back to the mid-50s and seen the awful teams of the late 60′s and early 90′s. This isn’t life and death for me and learned a long time ago to appreciate the good times for your teams because no sports team, in any league, ever wins every year.

    Lots of people here hate Cashman, I’m not a huge fan either but that’s based on his arrogance, not anything else.

  30. Bo knows April 24th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Pat M posted last night that his sources said Pineda was looking good. No need to go forecasting that Pineda will hit 91 and dass it.

    He probably will, might be more next year or later in the season. Until then it’s just verbiage.

    Upton for Montero – now that’s funny.

  31. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    Bustero’s sample size is turning into the Blob. Better run for the hills.

  32. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Even if you liked the Pineda trade, having him compete for a rotation spot even after he had shoulder pain while he his velo was down 5 mph was indefensible.

  33. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    “Bustero’s sample size is turning into the Blob. Better run for the hills.”

    You suck at stats.

  34. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    “As for evaluating pitching, every team makes mistakes about pitchers, it is an inexact science, you just have to hope that the hits outweigh the errors.”

    ———————————

    No disrespect to you but ppl always say things like that when a team or person struggles or fails. The Yankees win 4 WS in 5 yrs and Cash and Torre take bows but they start to lose and it’s the PS is a crap shoot. Brian touts Generation Trey and then later the Bs as signs that his plan working but the pitchers involved have all had their ups and downs and it becomes well it’s not easy to develop pitchers.

    Obviously luck plays a role but some organizations do it better than others.

  35. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    You’re a pro at cherry picking.

  36. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    And crying.

  37. Ys Guy April 24th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    its still a wash as i’ve said for a year.

    and if i was on the montero side, i’d be very worried as he’s done absolutely nothing and pineda’s about to start doing something.

    but as ive always said, it’s still a wash.

    nite all!

  38. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    “You’re a pro at cherry picking.”

    From the guy who is highlighting Montero’s 52 PA this season.

  39. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Wash must be a synonym for bad trade.

  40. yankeefeminista April 24th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    Not to belabor this, but …

    repost
    yankeefeminista April 24th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    How do we conclude from a less than a month 2013 Montero sample size that this will be his full year stats (after his first 14 GP, 60 AB’s)? How “hasn’t he hit?” The sample size is too small. Montero almost always starts slow, 2nd half last year, he was: .278/.318/.398. As a catcher: .310/.343/.498, 132 OPS+. He hit lefties to the tune of .322/.366/.463. His LD% this year are in the low 20?s from both sides of the plate. And he has just caught two games in a row. How are you already concluding that he is a bust? People get just a little crazy when it comes to The Trade. In addition, Noesi is pitching right now for the Mariners. There is nothing conclusive about Montero’s current stats. He’s had less AB’s than he did in 2011 when he batted .328/.406/.590. So why not use those stats? They are just as relevant as his current stats.

  41. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    Ys Guy said it best career OPS of Cervelli = career OPS of Montero.

    The difference is Cervelli is not a DH.

    Nobody’s talking about 52 PA.

    That’s a cherry picked figure, go figure.

  42. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Anyone who doesn’t understand park effects shouldn’t follow baseball.

  43. Bo knows April 24th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    Even if you liked the Pineda trade, having him compete for a rotation spot even after he had shoulder pain while he his velo was down 5 mph was indefensible.
    ————–
    Now that, I agree with.

    And no, I didn’t like the Pineda trade. Don’t like the violent delivery. I could see the rationale for the trade. Maybe they thought that they could smooth that delivery out.

  44. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    I read some of your comments on the previous thread that I missed Mr Bustero:

    1) Conceding points have no impact on me. If I am wrong, I am wrong. I don’t need to hide to do that.

    2) I stand behind of what I said regarding Montero

    3) It doesn’t look well on you trying to teach other people on how to think. If you agree with someone, just do so without the need to single out any other poster.

    JMHO

    =================================================

    G Love and Rich,

    Yes, they could have gotten something better. if it wasn’t the case, the should have kept him. If they really felt that they needed to trade him that is.

    ===============================

    There is an article from RAB that says that Pineda is throwing High Octane Gas… Look it up, I think it was yesterday or the day before

  45. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    Anyone who doesn’t understand prospect pumping and dumping should get over it.

  46. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    pineda’s about to start doing something.’

    ———————-

    Hopefully he does but we all better hope he doesn’t come here and get bombed. It might take him a yr to get back to normal. Throwing stimulated games is nice but pitching every 5 days is different

  47. randy l. April 24th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    “I’m a long time Yankees fan, I’ve seen great Yankees teams going back to the mid-50s and seen the awful teams of the late 60?s and early 90?s. This isn’t life and death for me and learned a long time ago to appreciate the good times for your teams because no sports team, in any league, ever wins every year.”

    mg-

    it goes without saying we’ve both been watching for a long time. i think we’re actually agreeing in a way. i’m simply saying development isn’t working if there are no young players ready to play in mariano’s and jeter’s last year or years.

    the difference i seem to have with most people on montero is that i think learning to catch in the big leagues is a process that takes time. montero will likely be catching in the big leagues long after all us posters have moved on to something else other than this blog.

  48. MG April 24th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:20 am
    “As for evaluating pitching, every team makes mistakes about pitchers, it is an inexact science, you just have to hope that the hits outweigh the errors.”

    ———————————

    No disrespect to you but ppl always say things like that when a team or person struggles or fails. The Yankees win 4 WS in 5 yrs and Cash and Torre take bows but they start to lose and it’s the PS is a crap shoot. Brian touts Generation Trey and then later the Bs as signs that his plan working but the pitchers involved have all had their ups and downs and it becomes well it’s not easy to develop pitchers.

    Obviously luck plays a role but some organizations do it better than others.
    ————————————
    young pitchers go through the ups and downs of learning how to pitch in the big leagues, if a team wants to develop a young staff they have to be prepared to lose for awhile.

    there are exceptions, like the A’s last year, but they are the exception and not the rule.

    winning the World Series 4X in 5 years is an anomaly, it just doesn’t happen very often. There is no reason for it other than it isn’t easy to do with 3 rounds of playoffs and the ability of a team to get hot for a few weeks. That makes it a crap shoot, there is no other way to describe it.

    As I’ve said, I appreciate the great times for my teams, which have included several Yankee dynasties. I just understand that they don’t always happen for a wide variety of reasons that probably can’t be controlled.

  49. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    luis from RAB yesterday:

    Pineda throws one inning in simulated game
    By Mike Axisa
    Via Bryan Hoch: Michael Pineda threw one inning in a simulated game today, his first since having shoulder surgery last May. “He threw strikes he threw some really good strikes,” said Joe Girardi, who was in attendance. “I was happy with what I saw. I know it’s a long ways away, but for the first time in a simulated game, it was pretty good … His command was much better (than last spring). The ball was coming out of his hand. He wasn’t forcing it today.”

    Pineda, 24, threw all three of his pitchers — fastball, slider, changeup — but Chad Jennings says the Yankees don’t even have a radar gun on him yet. That’s not terribly surprising since he’s still in rehab mode and not “getting stretched out for the season” mode. Either way, good news. Every day Pineda is able to do something like this without suffering a setback represents major progress. The simulated game does not start his 30-day rehab window, by the way. · (17) ·

  50. Jerkface April 24th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    There is an article from RAB that says that Pineda is throwing High Octane Gas… Look it up, I think it was yesterday or the day before

    I think you’re confusing Pat M’s whispers with an update on RAB that Pineda threw a sim game. There was no radar gun.

  51. Ys Guy April 24th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    the idea that ‘park effects’ turns the tide and makes ‘generational jesus’ a better player than francisco cerveilli if hilarious.

    do you realize you are defending your boy against FRANCISCO CERVELLI!!!???

    FRANCISCO CERVELLI!!!!!

    once you find yourself defending montero vs. cervelli it’s time to surrender!

  52. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:27 am
    Anyone who doesn’t understand prospect pumping and dumping should get over it.
    _

    Are you referring to Cashman, dude? Because if he was pumping and dumping, he failed.

  53. Nick in SF April 24th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    This particular iteration of the Montero debate is pretty silly (thanks, Ys Guy :mad: ) but right now I’m just wondering: is he going to spend the full season with the Mariners or is he going to be sliding down to Tacoma at some point?

  54. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    Maybe they thought that they could smooth that delivery out.

    ———————–

    We have seen what happens when they try to change someone’s delivery ie Joba

  55. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    “the idea that ‘park effects’ turns the tide and makes ‘generational jesus’ a better player than francisco cerveilli if hilarious.”

    Does generational mean wash?

    “once you find yourself defending montero vs. cervelli it’s time to surrender!”

    It’s your ridiculous point.

  56. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    They obviously brought in Kelly Shoppach for a reason, yet there was a big celebration here when Jaso was traded. Demotion just a matter of time now.

    -Buster

  57. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    Thanks Rich and JF… yes probably mixed both ( Pat M’s comment and the RAB update )

  58. Ys Guy April 24th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    “the difference i seem to have with most people on montero is that i think learning to catch in the big leagues is a process that takes time. ”
    ====================================
    so what does it say if they are catching him less than last year (which they are) and dh’ing him less than last year?

  59. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:34 am

    Nick,

    Depends mostly on Zunino I think… But he is batting much better that past few games, so who knows?… if they want to trade him, i say let’s get him back

  60. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    “They obviously brought in Kelly Shoppach for a reason, yet there was a big celebration here when Jaso was traded. Demotion just a matter of time now.”

    - Dejesus Lover

    They demoted Smoak. As Jerkface has pointed out, other Mariner offensive prospects are busting.

    Is it really that hard to see why?

  61. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    I’d trade them Betances for Montero.

  62. randy l. April 24th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    yankeefeminista-

    you watch the yankee minor leaguers as much if not more than anyone.

    i don’t think most people on this blog realize that almost everyone but about 6-7 players are older than montero on trenton and scranton combined.

    montero is a baby.

    he’s young.

    JR murphy is a prospect. i like him. he’s going to be a major leaguer some day. but he’s 22 already.

    people act like montero is done developing. he’s still in the middle of it.

  63. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    “so what does it say if they are catching him less than last year (which they are) and dh’ing him less than last year?”

    Nothing except the park sucks.

  64. MG April 24th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    randy, you are entitled to not what you see as a lack of development in the Yankees farm system.

    I disagree, though, with rooting against the guys on the field who are busting their butts out there every game, including Mo and Andy now and Jeter, hopefully, down the road.

    If they get to the playoffs (they most likely will if the injured can play at least half a season and the starting pitching continues to be OK) they could be a really tough out with the depth they would have on the bench-Hafner, Youk, and Wells could be pretty formidable as options for them reminiscent of the way they used Chili Davis, Strawberry, and Justice during the 90′s dynasty.

    Next year is next year, they have a bunch of kids on the way including a catcher, right?

  65. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    young pitchers go through the ups and downs of learning how to pitch in the big leagues, if a team wants to develop a young staff they have to be prepared to lose for awhile.

    there are exceptions, like the A’s last year, but they are the exception and not the rule.

    winning the World Series 4X in 5 years is an anomaly, it just doesn’t happen very often. There is no reason for it other than it isn’t easy to do with 3 rounds of playoffs and the ability of a team to get hot for a few weeks. That makes it a crap shoot, there is no other way to describe it.

    ———————-

    It’s not an anomaly when the the franchise has a history of winning multiple rings in a row. That’s like saying Phil Jackson having 3 three peats and 1 back to back is an anomaly. No Phil is a great coach who overlooked great teams and they dominated. Yes things can happen in a series that turn the tide but being a dynasty isn’t a crapshoot or based on luck.

    It’s a cop out by the GM, manger, and some fans to call it a crap shoot when the team is no longer winning.

  66. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    The drafted Zunino AND brought in Shoppach but when Olivo was let go and Jaso traded, there was dancing on Pineda’s grave, which was and still is entirely unbecoming of a Yankees fan. That’s the difference between the two crowds on this debate. One defends the Yankee, the other cries about the mariner (While i LOL)

  67. RC April 24th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    “Hughes did not allow a home run. Neither did the Yankees, snapping their streak of nine straight road games with a homer”

    False. Re watch the 1st pitch of the 9th inning.

  68. MG April 24th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:37 am
    young pitchers go through the ups and downs of learning how to pitch in the big leagues, if a team wants to develop a young staff they have to be prepared to lose for awhile.

    there are exceptions, like the A’s last year, but they are the exception and not the rule.

    winning the World Series 4X in 5 years is an anomaly, it just doesn’t happen very often. There is no reason for it other than it isn’t easy to do with 3 rounds of playoffs and the ability of a team to get hot for a few weeks. That makes it a crap shoot, there is no other way to describe it.

    ———————-

    It’s not an anomaly when the the franchise has a history of winning multiple rings in a row. That’s like saying Phil Jackson having 3 three peats and 1 back to back is an anomaly. No Phil is a great coach who overlooked great teams and they dominated. Yes things can happen in a series that turn the tide but being a dynasty isn’t a crapshoot or based on luck.

    It’s a cop out by the GM, manger, and some fans to call it a crap shoot when the team is no longer winning.
    —————
    baseball isn’t the same as basketball, the starting pitcher changes every game and it makes a big difference…

    other than the Yankees, when was the last major league baseball team to repeat as World Series winners? And how many playoff series were there when they did that?

  69. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    RC,

    he is saying that Hughes didn’t surrender a homer and that the Yankees didn’t hit one either. He is correct.

  70. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    they have a bunch of kids on the way including a catcher, right?

    ————–

    Problem is the kids are going to be expected to carry a goo portion of the load. If they were breaking in a couple of kids playing PT then it wouldn’t be that bad.

  71. Nick in SF April 24th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    Just as an aside, does Kelly Shoppach know that he plays his home games at SafeCo yet? He’s in for a big crash when he figures it out. Like when Wily E. Coyote was able to run off the cliff but not fall until he looked down.

  72. RC April 24th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    Luis

    My bad. You’re right.

  73. Ys Guy April 24th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    so your argument in favor of ‘generational jesus’ is that he’s younger than alot of the guys on the AA team?

    really?

    that’s all you’ve got?

    wow! quite the step-down, isnt that?

    i mean, you’ve already problaimed the guy a success with a declining .261 ba and notwithstaning the fact that the M’s have benched him for exactly half of thier last 14 games.

    the goal posts seem to be moving from ‘generational’ to ‘adequate part time player’

    am i wrong?

  74. RC April 24th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    But you can see how that statement is confusing right?

  75. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    “Hooray Ichiro Suzuki. Letting Chris Stewart bat with the bases loaded and one out in the ninth was inexplicable, but Ichiro picked up Stewart (and Joe Girardi) with a two-run single to center. That was quite big.”

    I agree with Axisa. I was going back and forth between the Knickss and the Yankees, but when I saw that Stewart was batting with the bases loaded, I was glad that I had a reason to change the channel.

  76. randy l. April 24th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    “so what does it say if they are catching him less than last year (which they are) and dh’ing him less than last year?”

    he’s caught 56 games last year.

    he’s caught 12 out of 22 games this year.

    that’s 54.5%

    at this rate , montero catches 88 games.

    88 is more that 56.

    you said he’s catching less. whoopsie.

  77. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    the goal posts seem to be moving from ‘generational’ to ‘adequate part time player’

    am i wrong?
    _

    Yes.

  78. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    I think what we’re seeing with Cervelli, Murphy and Sanchez illustrates how the Yankees feel about their catching depth. Plus they have Romine.

    While next year there are 3 starters before Pineda – CC, Nova and Phelps.

    My confidence interval is very high that they read long term needs correctly.

  79. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    MG April 24th, 2013 at 12:41 am
    Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:37 am
    young pitchers go through the ups and downs of learning how to pitch in the big leagues, if a team wants to develop a young staff they have to be prepared to lose for awhile.

    there are exceptions, like the A’s last year, but they are the exception and not the rule.

    winning the World Series 4X in 5 years is an anomaly, it just doesn’t happen very often. There is no reason for it other than it isn’t easy to do with 3 rounds of playoffs and the ability of a team to get hot for a few weeks. That makes it a crap shoot, there is no other way to describe it.

    ———————-

    It’s not an anomaly when the the franchise has a history of winning multiple rings in a row. That’s like saying Phil Jackson having 3 three peats and 1 back to back is an anomaly. No Phil is a great coach who overlooked great teams and they dominated. Yes things can happen in a series that turn the tide but being a dynasty isn’t a crapshoot or based on luck.

    It’s a cop out by the GM, manger, and some fans to call it a crap shoot when the team is no longer winning.
    —————
    baseball isn’t the same as basketball, the starting pitcher changes every game and it makes a big difference…

    other than the Yankees, when was the last major league baseball team to repeat as World Series winners? And how many playoff series were there when they did that?

    ———————

    How many teams were as loaded as the Yankees even during their WS drought. IMO it’s an excuse by Cash and Torre because they damn sure didn’t say it was a crap shoot when they were clicking off WS victories. Luck plays a role no one can deny that but it can’t be a crap shoot when they lose but they are better than everyone when they win.

  80. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:46 am

    If they get to the playoffs (they most likely will if the injured can play at least half a season and the starting pitching continues to be OK) they could be a really tough out with the depth they would have on the bench-Hafner, Youk, and Wells could be pretty formidable as options for them reminiscent of the way they used Chili Davis, Strawberry, and Justice during the 90?s dynasty.

    ==========================================

    MG,

    With a slight difference… We had a young core in place or about to be in place ( Bernie, Jeter, Mo, Posada and Pettitte )… We are asking that those complimentary pieces to take the brunt of the responsability… We have an old and aging team with very little young blood in it, and those that are involved are complimentary pieces themselves.

    Our prospects are mostly two years away at least… Except Flores, Adams and Mustelier… All of them should be playing in our team right now.

  81. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    “Just as an aside, does Kelly Shoppach know that he plays his home games at SafeCo yet? He’s in for a big crash when he figures it out. Like when Wily E. Coyote was able to run off the cliff but not fall until he looked down.”

    Yeah, and when he does, he will no longer be a journeyman catcher.

  82. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    RC April 24th, 2013 at 12:44 am
    But you can see how that statement is confusing right?

    ===========================

    Yes I can… I read it twice before I posted ;)

  83. Ys Guy April 24th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    so if the park is sooooooo big, why doesnt ‘generational jesus’ hit some doubles???

    all that room and fences way back would suggest that a big power hitter would hit crazy doubles, right?

    ‘generational jesus’ hit only 15 last year and all of 1 this year.

  84. Bo knows April 24th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    We have seen what happens when they try to change someone’s delivery ie Joba
    ————————
    You see this is where I violently disagree with Yankee management. They cater to the fanbase over sound baseball practice. Joba should have gone back to AAA the next season to see what they had. Hughes rushed to the Majors a month early. At the wrong time putting a draft budget in place. Three years later the results are self evident.

    But it’s “Cashman didn’t deliver on his pipeline”. Well, he probably did not account for the powers collectively losing their minds. “Let’s save some money on the draft”

  85. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Bo knows April 24th, 2013 at 12:48 am
    We have seen what happens when they try to change someone’s delivery ie Joba
    ————————
    You see this is where I violently disagree with Yankee management. They cater to the fanbase over sound baseball practice. Joba should have gone back to AAA the next season to see what they had. Hughes rushed to the Majors a month early. At the wrong time putting a draft budget in place. Three years later the results are self evident.

    ————————

    Very well said

  86. randy l. April 24th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    ” disagree, though, with rooting against the guys on the field who are busting their butts out there every game, including Mo and Andy now and Jeter, hopefully, down the road.”

    mg-

    i never root against jeter, pettitte and mo. ever.

    i don’t care about the guys who aren’t really yankees.

    you care about ibanez any more?

    me neither.

    a whole bunch of guys on the yankees are like ibanez last year. way too many.

  87. RC April 24th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Thanks for understanding and not berating luis <3

  88. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Not to mention 2 DH’s now – Arod and Jeter.

    I’d call it an accurate forecast.

    I’m comfortable with it.

    Now if Montero was hitting like Trout and Harper like he was supposed to, I might not feel the same way. But considering the catching depth surfacing, the rotation dissipating and the deterioration of key veterans, I think the Yankees rationale is understandable.

  89. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    But it’s “Cashman didn’t deliver on his pipeline”. Well, he probably did not account for the powers collectively losing their minds. “Let’s save some money on the draft”

    ———————

    I would agree but he’s been talking about getting the finances back in line as early as 08 when he re-signed with the team.

  90. yankeefeminista April 24th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    Kelly Shoppach has had 15 AB at Safeco, and has a career .736 OPS

    Randy, it is convenient for the narrative to disregard the catching development/adjustment factor AND ignore park factor (as Rich mentioned).

  91. RC April 24th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    Maybe it’s the booze?

  92. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    “so if the park is sooooooo big, why doesnt ‘generational jesus’ hit some doubles???”

    Ask Smoak, or Ackley, or bunch of their other prospects who have underperformed for long periods.

    Montero had 9 HR and 9 2B on the road last season 273 PA last year.

    But who cares? Hits, HR, doubles, they are all a wash.

  93. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    If you don’t walk you’re not going to get a pitch to drive, in ANY park.

    People who don’t understand that should not follow baseball (jumps under covers to inhale his own fart).

  94. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    GN guys

  95. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 12:50 am
    Bo knows April 24th, 2013 at 12:48 am
    We have seen what happens when they try to change someone’s delivery ie Joba
    ————————
    You see this is where I violently disagree with Yankee management. They cater to the fanbase over sound baseball practice. Joba should have gone back to AAA the next season to see what they had. Hughes rushed to the Majors a month early. At the wrong time putting a draft budget in place. Three years later the results are self evident.

    ————————

    Very well said

    =====================================

    +2 They also rushed IPK and are mishandling Phelps… Same goes with Nova

  96. Ys Guy April 24th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    “at this rate , montero catches 88 games.”
    ======================================
    so being the team’s choice to play, what 55% of their games is a good thing?

    part time catcher makes trading him a horrendous mistake (as you have maintained?)

    its increadible how far the jesus fans have moved the goal posts!

    and thier only defense is that pineda hasnt pitched, (even though WAR indicates that this has made no difference whatsoever!)

  97. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    Gn Odds, I am off to bed too… GN guys

  98. UnKnown April 24th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    Upton would look so good right now as this lineup tries to find its way against Lefties.

  99. yankeefeminista April 24th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    GN

  100. randy l. April 24th, 2013 at 12:57 am

    ys guy -

    i just keep correcting your errors.

    you said he was catching less.

    he’s catching more.

  101. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 12:57 am

    55% of games played. The other half Olivo a fringe major leaguer and a journeyman.

    And the one team in baseball who could afford to develop the bat brings in Zunino and 10 DH’s.

  102. Ys Guy April 24th, 2013 at 12:58 am

    “Ask Smoak, or Ackley, or bunch”
    ——————————————————–’
    so we should compare ‘generational jesus’ to other failed prospects!

    “hey montero’s better than smoak, what an idiot cashman is”

    LOL!

  103. luis April 24th, 2013 at 12:59 am

    Y’s

    No it’s not… But you already know that… They could have traded for a bat,they could have traded for a better pitcher ( Gio )… Again, for me the fact that they enhanced an already strong part of the team and over estimated the offensive output is reason enough for not liking the trade…

  104. Nick in SF April 24th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    This debate is silly because there’s still a week left in April. Montero has a higher home OPS than road OPS. He also has a higher OPS vs. RHP than he does vs. LHP (unless I’m using the mlb.com site incorrectly). Is that significant? Surely not, but the journeyman catcher is taking playing time away from the kid right now.

    I have no idea what’s going to happen with Montero, but that post from the USSMariner site was very interesting and the comments were too because they were from fans with passion for their team but without a lot of the emotional baggage and garbage we have on here when it comes to this subject.

    randy is right that he’s 23 years old — good reading skills, randy — and the idea of writing him off because he’s struggling now seems silly to my untutored mind. Even being sent down to Tacoma wouldn’t prove anything about how his career will end up. But Narrative Avenue seems to run at least two ways.

  105. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 1:02 am

    It’s been said, scouts had concerns over Montero’s projection to stick at catcher or not so GM’s were likely reluctant to offer a position prospect reflecting full value for a guy potentially without a position.

    And they did not over estimated offensive output. They kept open DH which is now getting crowded by Arod and Jeter. They liked their catching depth, another projection that looks good. Finally, they were worried about their rotation. We have 3 starters next year before Pineda.

  106. Ys Guy April 24th, 2013 at 1:03 am

    ” randy l. April 24th, 2013 at 12:57 am

    ys guy -

    i just keep correcting your errors.

    you said he was catching less.

    he’s catching more.”
    ===========================
    more than what? earlier in april this year?

    he’s caught 12/23 games this year. is this supposed to show that he’s progressing?

    is catching one more than half of the mariner’s games supposed to impress people?

    this is generational? or is it part-time ‘when we have to rest our crappy (shoppach) full-time cather?’

    your argument tonight is, frankly hilarious and far below your normal level of argument, randy.

  107. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    I just don’t see the miscalculation and the justification for the brutalization of Michael Pineda.

    -Buster

  108. Jesus Bustero April 24th, 2013 at 1:06 am

    Yanks have catching depth, 2 DH’s and 3 starters long term.

    Where is the great historically inept miscalculation in Montero for Pineda?

    I keep looking for it.

  109. Bo knows April 24th, 2013 at 1:16 am

    Nick
    I’m such a non fan that I never heard of Arsenal Kiev. Karpaty are out of Lviv. I did the pilgrimage to Dynamo Kyiv and Karpaty both. Loved the atmosphere. I just monkey doed my neighbors at the games.

    The chant in Kyiv was “If you don’t jump with us, you’re a Moskal (Muscovite). So I jumped. And they praised me in Russian – I got lost in the nuances.

    I thought speaking Ukrainian was enough to differentiate me from those damned Muscovites. Apparently not.

  110. Nick in SF April 24th, 2013 at 1:23 am

    Apparently Arsenal Kyiv does not have a rich history in Ukrainian or Soviet football. I just liked the odds and I like the name Arsenal. Neither team is doing very well in the Ukrainian Premier League, but Karpaty is doing worse.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Arsenal_Kyiv

  111. waka flocka April 24th, 2013 at 1:24 am

    people who think Montero can stick at catcher are helpless. don’t even bother.

  112. igotid88 April 24th, 2013 at 1:25 am

    Even with this Yankee lineup and in NYS, Montero would be hitting better than he is now. And people here wouldn’t be complaining about not having a RH hitter to face lefties.

  113. Pat M. April 24th, 2013 at 1:28 am

    I recall posting something that I heard last October / November that Seattle was open to moving Jesus and that once the winter meetings got under way there was more than just idle conversations going on. So come July it shouldn’t be a shock when he changes uni’s and restarts his career over again……There’s talent there it’s just been a slow process to process that talent at the big league level…….As for Michael Pineda, I just remember that night in Seattle back in 2011 as he flamed his way thru the Yankee battling order and broke in a few Johnny Bench model donut gloves….Pop Pop Pop, all night long

  114. Ys Guy April 24th, 2013 at 1:32 am

    “igotid88 April 24th, 2013 at 1:25 am

    Even with this Yankee lineup and in NYS, Montero would be hitting better than he is now.”
    ========================================
    …so what are we talking…like .235? (as opposed to the .224 he’s hitting now?)

    cevelli’s hitting .283 (and is an adequate catcher!)

  115. Bo knows April 24th, 2013 at 1:52 am

    Ukrainian football is such a mish mash. Some oli wants to showboat so he buys a team so he can run with the big dogs. Karpaty were always fillers in the old league. The two centropoli are Kyiv and Donetsk. That’s where the big bucks roam, all nomenklatura.

    A number of us were expediters at the Atlanta and SLC Olympics so I had dealings with the upper echelons, Soviet apparatchiks and horribly inefficient. I’m considered a rabid recidivist fomenting differences such as asking for an interpreter to deal with Russian speaking Ukrainians.

  116. Pat M. April 24th, 2013 at 2:01 am

    Well, it’s 11:00 here on the Coast, so I bid all a good night and a wonderful good morning to Doreen and the Breakfast Club….Hey maybe she consider doing guess the line-up one day a week ??? Just a thought with no greed attached

  117. 4 NYY April 24th, 2013 at 3:55 am

    Why not give Pineda and Montero a year or two and then see where we are ?

  118. theREALkevin April 24th, 2013 at 4:58 am

    Still at it, huh Bustero? It’s a shame I keep having to read your trash. Christ, your tone is so disgusting. Deep down, somewhere I know, it must kinda suck being you. There’s really no other explanation. And oh yeah-

    “Where is the great historically inept miscalculation in Montero for Pineda?”

    I’m not talking about addressing future needs through the trade. I know you can’t always be results oriented, but when your return is this disastrous, the results have to be at the forefront. THE DUDE TORE HIS ****ING LABRUM. You can count on what, one hand the guys who have come back from a torn labrum and been great afterwards? There were plenty of other packages they could have gotten, yet they went with one in which the primary return was damaged goods and has now missed over a full season. GREAT RETURN YANKS.

    Besides, the logic of needing another SP long term is due to their own ineptitude in drafting and developing pitchers. It was their own fault to begin with. They’ve been mediocre as hell in the draft for a while now, which is part of the reason they always have to hand out huge contracts in free agency and also constantly pick up guys off the trash heap. Those holes should partially be filled with young, homegrown players and those guys have been few and far between for them.

  119. Benny Blanco April 24th, 2013 at 6:10 am

    Justin upton is on fire!!!! 11 homers!? Damn

  120. RadioKev April 24th, 2013 at 6:16 am

    I actually think Hughes’ stuff was better against the Diamondbacks than last night. The Rays are a very poor offensive team. Good to see him make it work anyway, but there’s room for improvement.

  121. Benny Blanco April 24th, 2013 at 6:26 am

    Hughes hit 94 a few times last night.

  122. Mike Ri April 24th, 2013 at 7:23 am

    Great Win last night ! .. .

    Good to see the Yankees scratch and claw for a win against a damn good pitcher!!

  123. austinmac April 24th, 2013 at 7:41 am

    I’m no expert on wrist sheaths, but the fact Texiera’s wrist is not loosening up doesn’t seem like good news. We shall see.

  124. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    “They cater to the fanbase over sound baseball practice.”

    Homerun Bo. Grandslam actually.

    It has to stop.

    ;)

  125. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Mac-

    30% chance he can avoid the surgery.

  126. Doreen April 24th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Good morning.

    Really? the Yankees cater to the fan base? :)

    MTU, do you really think that?

    I can think of so many things the fan base wanted that the Yankees did not do and vice versa. I think it’s all about perspective and the side of the fence any particular person falls on with regard to the particular decision the Yankees made.

  127. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Chad-

    If you get a chance. Could you please give us an update on Mustelier’s status ?

    What is the plan for him ?

    TIA

  128. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Doreen-

    Bo’s comment was specifically in reference to how some of their young Pitchers have been handled/mishandled.

    I do believe expediency and poor judgement have played a role.

    Newman was quoted in the past that the Yankees have an “all hands on deck mentality” when it comes to winning.

    I interpret that to mean that winning takes precedence over the individual needs of a particular ballplayer at times.

    When young arms are at issue I have a problem with that philosophy.

    I want to see it completely purged from their thought process. It is counterproductive IMO.

    Especially in this new 189 environment.

  129. blake April 24th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Win today and you’re takin 2 of 3 in Tampa after facing Price and Moore in the series….. Given that and this lineup vs LHP that whould be just a terrific series

  130. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Blake-

    Last night’s win was a thing of beauty.

  131. Tackelberry April 24th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Last night was definitely the best win of the young season so far in that they had to battle from behind twince against a tough lefty in a place where they have had very little success the last few years. I was shocked though that Girardi didn’t send up Boesch to bat for Stewart there in the 9th. Thankfully, Ichiro saved the day. He’s been hittting the ball much better lately, hopefully a sign that he is coming around.
    As for Upton, I said it before and will repeat it. The Dbacks were not enamored with what the Yankees had to offer, mostly becuase of the lack of MLB ready prospects. Would Montero have made a difference there? Sure, but thats crying over spilled milk.
    Nice to see Betances have a dominant performance like that last night. If only he can build on that now. Finally, Jake Cave made his pro debut in Charleston last night and went 2-5 with 2 doubles. He’s got a live bat, and i supposedly a really good athlete

  132. Tackelberry April 24th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Agree Blake. THough Cobb is also a pretty tough pitcher. I beleive he shut the Yanks down a couple of times last year, so Andy needs another really good start to give us a chance.

  133. blake April 24th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    As I’ve said before my biggest issue with the Montero trade was that they could have had Darvish and Montero but decided to make a trade instead of spending money….,the Yankees should never trade their top prospect when they can buy what they need…..JMO

  134. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    To my mind Cobb is very similar to Phelps.

    Not overpowering. Has a nice assortment of stuff that he commands well.

    Knows how to pitch.

  135. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    I would feel much better about JU if I knew for sure that the Yankees made their max. effort to get him.

    Somehow I don’t think they did.

    :(

  136. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    The other thing I’d love to see change is the Yankee’s over reliance on the Veteran.

    Give deserving youngsters a fair chance to play and show what they can/can’t do.

    ;)

  137. pat April 24th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    “One move that the Yankees’ baseball people wanted to make, conceivably would have worked out well — at least, so far. They tried to sign Nate Schierholtz to play against righties before they settled on Ichiro. Entering Tuesday for the Cubs, Schierholtz had a .952 OPS against right-handed pitching.

    On the other side, before the Yankees signed Kevin Youkilis, they were in on Jeff Keppinger. Keppinger has been awful so far for the White Sox as he entered Tuesday with a .351 OPS in 78 at-bats.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....-co-credit

  138. randy l. April 24th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    “This particular iteration of the Montero debate is pretty silly (thanks, Ys Guy ) but right now I’m just wondering: is he going to spend the full season with the Mariners or is he going to be sliding down to Tacoma at some point?”- nick in sf

    mtu-

    last night’s exchanges were kind of humorous over montero and young players in general. montero just might end up in tacoma at some point. but you ask about mustelier. mustelier is 28.

    i like watching mustelier, but somehow somewhere people on this blog have lost sight that yankee minor leaguers are OLD. i see this as a problem.

    i did a quick check last night and out of fifty or so players at trenton and scranton only 5-6 are younger than montero. so why are so many of us still talking about montero? well it has to do with that he represents the failure of development in new york.

    if he were still in scranton, he’d be the the offensive youngest player on that team. even now in his second year in the majors.
    this is really what the never ending montero debate is really about.
    it’s about the failure of yankee development and it sticking with the yankees.

    the average age of yankee triple a players is 26.6
    http://www.baseball-reference......d=fa6a3fd4

    crap, they’re old before they even reach new york.

  139. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    It’s still early in the season and I think Keppinger will improve.

    IMO he would have been a huge upgrade over Nix.

    The Yankees were shying away from any multi-year deals (even inexpensive ones) unless they were stone cold desperate.

  140. blake April 24th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Cobb is a sinker guy and he did give the Yanks some issues last year….however I think this lineup is totally a different one so its tough to say how they’ll fair…

  141. pat April 24th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Joelsherman
    Column http://bit.ly/15GHHVk u know whose 1st 14 GS looked like Harvey’s – Pineda. Update on Montero #yankees #mets #mariners

    Either the M’s have sent Montero to Alcatraz or Joel needs more coffee this morning.

  142. blake April 24th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Bret vs the world Montero debate last night? I skimmed through ….

  143. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Randy-

    I would like the Yankees to have total quality throughout their organization.

    The best of the best in all things.

    It has seemed to me for a long time that they do not have a clear-cut, well thought out path for their youngsters to reach the majors.

    What are the specific goals and benchmarks that they must reach at each level of play ? Do they even exist ?

    The hitters sometimes completely bereft of fundamental skills.

    And the Pitchers are moved in a herky jerky fashion and when they reach the majors they seem to sometimes get yo-yo’ed around, in what seems to me, an incoherent and counterproductive manner.

    They are fullly prepared and ready to take their places as in some systems.

    The additions of Rothschild and Patterson should help.

    They are pros. Who is designing the overall plan ? Is it Newman ? I sure hope not.

  144. MTU April 24th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    edit: “they aren’t fully prepared”. Sorry

  145. Tackelberry April 24th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Good night all around. Yanks with an impressive win and the Knicks bombed the Celtics to take a 2-0 series lead. Islanders make the playoffs for the first time in 6 years, and the NFL draft kicks off tommorrow night. Giants have the 19th pick, and their are rumors they make take ND’s Mante’i Teo. Curious to see what the Jets do with those 2 early picks as well.

  146. randy l. April 24th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    blake-

    there is a serious development problem with the yankees as far as age goes. i get it that in minor league baseball, there are really only a couple of guys at each level who are going to be good mlb players and the rest are there so they have someone to play with, but who are the couple that are going to be good mlb players on the yankee minor league teams ?

    flores, austin, heathcott, murphy are at least young and have a chance, but they’re not exactly close to the majors. how old are they going to be when they’re ready?
    yeah the yankee are no different than anyone else in baseball with old minor league players.

    umm, shouldn’t the yankees be different. with their resources? where are the young players ready each year to step in?

  147. blake April 24th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    “umm, shouldn’t the yankees be different. with their resources? where are the young players ready each year to step in?”

    Simple answer is yes….but the problem is that MLB is taking drastic steps to limit them from using thatbadvantage in the draft and now internationally …and also the Yanks are sorta getting a late start on it compared to a lot of other teams

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