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Sabathia: “The ball felt good coming out”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 23, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Plenty of talk this season about CC Sabathia’s fastball velocity. Sabathia has said all along that it’s a non-issue — his velocity might dip, but he’s been able to deal with it — and even last night, when he was throwing harder, he downplayed the significance.

“It felt good,” Sabathia said. “The ball felt good coming out. I had no problems and I felt good.”

No problems. Felt good. Non issue. Maybe all of that’s true. Certainly Sabathia has the offspeed pitches, and he generally has the command, to get outs without hitting the upper 90s.

“You know, sometimes it doesn’t matter because his ball feels heavy,” Francisco Cervelli said. “Like in the past when I used to catch him, he was throwing 95, but if he doesn’t hit his spots, he gets hit. He’s just got to hit the corners and make the hitters uncomfortable.”

But, the velocity helps. Last night, Sabathia topped out a little above 93 and averaged a little better than 91 mph. Joe Girardi noted that Sabathia has a tendency to get stronger in the later innings, and he still believes Sabathia will throw harder as the season progresses.

Is Sabathia a work in progress, still learning to pitch with this velocity?

No surprise that Sabathia said it didn’t matter.

“No, I feel fine,” Sabathia said. “I just need to pitch better. Bottom line.”

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130 Responses to “Sabathia: “The ball felt good coming out””

  1. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Velocity is not essential for success but it can be very helpful, and is desirable in general.

    It can increase a Pitcher’s margin for error should their command be off on a given night.

    That said, it doesn’t really matter what the velo is if balls are coming down the heart of the plate.

    ML hitters can turn those types of pitches around.

    CC has the arsenal to be successful, much like AP, w or w/o the added velo.

    But FWIS I hope it returns to more normal levels and I believe it will as the season progresses.

  2. Niblick April 23rd, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “The ball felt good coming out.”

    I wonder how it felt going over the fence?

  3. Bad Scooter April 23rd, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Speaking of velocity. Is it me or did Hughes throw harder his last outing than he has in a couple years? Also, Joba seems to be throwing harder in his last two or three outings than he had in a long time.

  4. Niblick April 23rd, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Bad – maybe the radar guns are juiced up to make the guys feel better.

  5. fantasygame101 April 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    the hitters felt better and the ball seems to be lighter after the batter hit them.

  6. randy l. April 23rd, 2013 at 9:17 am

    “No one should be overly surprised that some members of the Bandaid Brigade are wearing down.”

    mtu-

    the problem with a “senior league” team is that the high mileage guys are in the repair shop more a lot.
    when they’re out they can play.

    youkillis, hafner, and wells are not going to be able to play every day and make it through a season.

    jeter, alex, kuroda even, add to the problem.

    if rosters were expanded maybe this strategy of old good players might just work. as it is i don’t think they have enough players to make it through the season.

  7. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Greetings Randy.

    Good to see you round.

    The age-related risk is really high. Has been for a while.

    Some of should have been anticipated IMO. Some of it was just bad fortune.

    I really wish they would give guys like Adams/Mustelier a shot. Got to believe they can help.

    Can’t see them doing worse than some. A perfect time to find out.

  8. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    It would have been a thing of beauty to have had Cano protected by Upton.

    :(

  9. Doreen April 23rd, 2013 at 9:23 am

    A 7-day DL would help…

  10. Madrugador April 23rd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Wells and Youk can hit. How long will they spend on the DL this year?

  11. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Hopefully Granderson will be back soon. Won’t help too much against the lefties though.

    Not at all sure about A-Rod, Jeter, or Tex. Their injuries are all serious.

  12. Doreen April 23rd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    The DL isn’t the problem. If they’re on the DL they can call up replacements. It’s the nagging “turf-induced backaches” and that kind of stuff that hurts.

  13. Doreen April 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 am

    but that’s true of any of the players, not just the older guys.

  14. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Doreen-

    Trouble is they don’t seem to want to use those replacements.

    ;)

  15. Rich in NJ April 23rd, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Until and and unless CC is consistently effective, any drop in velo is going to be viewed as a concern. Axisa mentioned that velo wasn’t as much of a problem because he got hurt on off speed pitches last night, but he may have thrown more off speed pitches because he can’t overpower hitters with his FB right now.

    It may be that CC is becoming part of the Band-Aid Brigade, although I think he has a much better chance of a resurgence than many of them, as time passes from his elbow surgery.

  16. Tackelberry April 23rd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Its April guys, way too early to panic, especially about CC

  17. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Rich-

    It takes some time to come back from these surgeries. Even the less technical and invasive ones.

    Besides that, it’ still early in the season and CC’s velo usually sucks at this time.

    The fact that it has risen a little is a good sign to me.

    With his tools he will come out on the right side of things in any case.

    He is much more deadly with the additional velo though. I hope a significant portion of it returns.

  18. Rich in NJ April 23rd, 2013 at 9:36 am

    No one is panicking. As I said last night, we don’t know if they are underperforming v. LHP or over performing v. RHP, but this is a very poor way to construct a $230m roster, and they need to start trusting young players more.

  19. Rich in NJ April 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    MTU

    You said it better than I did.

    Got a meeting. Later.

  20. Niblick April 23rd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Brian Cashman, August 28, 2008:

    “Has this painful season derailed Cashman’s greater vision of turning the Yankees into the proverbial player development machine?”

    “No,” Cashman said before the game. “If anything, you’re starting to see the necessity of [why] you have to get younger … We’ve had some injuries, there’s no doubt about it, but we’ve got some key guys who haven’t performed like they’re capable of. Is that because of age?”

    Cashman is a joke.

  21. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    I think C. still threw a ton of 4-seamers and sinkers. He just started slow. Velo sat around 91. If he had location, he would have been all right. Cervelli said he wasn’t pitching inside enough, and was making TB pitchers too comfortable. Not like C. Question though is why C. said he wasn’t aggressive enough? That isn’t like him.

    Bernie Williams ?@bw51official 14m
    Honored to be performing our National Anthem at Madison Square Garden @msg for Game 2 #Knicks-#Celtics tonight. The Garden will be rocking!

    Yanks should have Bernie played the anthem at NYS. What are they waiting for?

  22. Madrugador April 23rd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    I am not thinking CC is going to be a problem this season. If he is I want to revise my win total for the year. You have to think that the older guys, Kuroda and Petit may have health issues and whether or not the younger guys, Nova and Hughes can get it together. Personally, I’ve seen enough of Nova and would like to get a look at someone else as a starter.

  23. Tackelberry April 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Will be flipping between this game and the Knicks-Celtics game. Lets hope they strike early vs. Price like the Rays did with CC last night and Hughes can keep the ball in the park.

    GO YANKS!!

    GO KNICKS!!!

  24. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 9:42 am

    As for age factor and injuries, that was and continues to be my concern–the wearing down and the nicks that keep players out of the lineup, the way they have constructed this team. Just like you didn’t want Ibanez to become a fielding regular last year or be forced into duty vs. LHP, you don’t want platoon players or AAAA types forced into duty or an overexposure of Nix.

  25. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    LHP will be a HUGE problem again. Jeter and A-Rod out until August and Youk already dealing with nagging injuries.

    Moreover:
    Last night was a very ugly game.
    What was with all the first pitch pop outs?
    CC has a 30 pitch inning and two batters swing and get out on first pitches. HORRIBLE!
    Also, is it me of did last night remind us of the 2012 Yankees that either needed a homerun or they failed. Bad RISP, no base stealing, no productive outs. Just like 2012.

  26. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Also what is with Francisco in this lineup? He hasn’t hit lefties since @2010, and why is he batting second?

  27. Tackelberry April 23rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    ac1

    Gotta give Moore credit. He had that fastball running in on the hitters, like a cutting action and was jamming alot of guys. PLus his changeup was devastating last night.

  28. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 9:53 am

    “Afterward Sabathia (3-2, 3.34 ERA) lamented a lack of aggression. He indicated in the early innings, as Tampa Bay pounded him, he felt muddled on the mound, obsessing over the mechanics of his delivery in an attempt to be “nice and fluid.” Passivity plagued him, even as his fastball touched 93 mph for the first time this season, according to Pitch f/x data from Brooks Baseball.

    “I’m usually aggressive,” Sabathia said. “It’s just one of those things where I don’t know what I was thinking.”

    Why is C. obsessing over the mechanics of his delivery? Is he trying to compensate for lack of velo and make sure he locates? Just seemed to be a strange thing to say that he was too passive. Cervy also said they didn’t pitch inside enough. Was that because C. didn’t locate or was it by design because he couldn’t locate?

  29. DONNYBROOK April 23rd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Nunez walked with 1 out, and Gardner walked to lead off an inning, and Girardi did NOTHING with these opportunities. Sure, Moore’s a lefty, but he was also on-his-game. When a Chucker is obviously dominating the action, you gotta do whatever you can to disrupt him. Girardi continues to do Nothing with his offense, and burn-out his bullpen. Also, I continue to blame the bulk of CC’s missing MPH on his significant weight loss. If CC decides to put on some Lbs, the velocity will accordingly tick up.

  30. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 am

    I was encouraged by rise in velo. Cervy thinks it will come back, and it is better. Why are the writers all assuming it won’t? Something off the record? Or just hypotheses based on lack of velo and the elbow surgery? Both C and Cervy say they expect the velo to come back.

  31. Tackelberry April 23rd, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Also, I continue to blame the bulk of CC’s missing MPH on his significant weight loss. If CC decides to put on some Lbs, the velocity will accordingly tick up.
    ________________________________________

    So you’re saying he needs to go back to eating his Captain Crunch in order to regain his velocity?

  32. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 9:57 am

    YF-

    You have asked a whole series of excellent questions.

    Now all we need are the answers.

    ;)

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock April 23rd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    I guess C was concerned enough about the velo drop that he was in a less aggressive posture, thus not pitching inside that much.

    He did settle down but the lineup was no match for Moore. If C is still having these issues in the middle of May, I’ll worry then.

    Short morning, good one, all.

    And: Happy Birthday William Shakespeare! :D

  34. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 9:59 am

    YF-

    Almost forgot. How is your ankle ?

  35. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:00 am

    JAP-

    All I know is that “lillies that fester smell far worse than weeds.”

    ;)

  36. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    I’m not too worried about the velo yet. He sat 91, and touched 93. Probably helps to be in Tampa vs. a cold NY.

    Agree the lineup was no match for Moore; he is one heckuva pitcher, changeup was nasty. But also that was probably the worst lineup I have seen us put out there in decades, especially vs. a LHP. Francisco batting second and Cervy fifth says it all.

    Happy birthday, Shakes! We should probably switch from haiku to sonnets in honor of the Bard. ;)

  37. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Also what is with Francisco in this lineup? He hasn’t hit lefties since @2010, and why is he batting second?
    ==============
    B/c Musty is hurt?

  38. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Can’t a pitcher have an off night or inning?

  39. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:04 am

    MTU, better. Thanks for asking. Did an Earth Day walk of the Great Swamps yesterday. I can do some limited flatland hiking, which is cool, although I am still rehabbing to strengthen. Love to be able to do hills and stairs better, but I am not complaining. How are you and yours?

  40. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 am

    “When, in disgrace with Fortune and men’s eyes,
    I all alone beweep my outcast state,
    And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
    And look upon myself and curse my fate,
    Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
    Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,
    Desiring this man’s art, and that man’s scope,
    With what I most enjoy contented least,
    Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
    Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
    Like to the lark at break of day arising
    From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven’s gate

    For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings,
    That then I scorn to change my state with kings.”

    :)

  41. Doreen April 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 am

    MTU -

    If the have guys go on the DL, they will have to call up reserves from the minors. They wouldn’t make a trade for a 15-day DL stint.

    What the Yankees don’t do is bring guys up out of ST, necessarily, and I still maintain that except for Mustelier, no one made a case for themselves. Adams was hurt early on and so didn’t get a chance to make a case. But even Mustelier was making a case for a back-up position, not an impact position. And he got hurt and is only just beginning to play again.

  42. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    mick, Musty wasn’t going to make the team as per Yankees. We can’t get away with not hitting LHP, especially in the AL East. Price has been in and out, so we’ll see tonight, but we have to be better. I always give C. the benefit of the doubt, but you have to admit he made some strange (Un”C”-like) comments.

  43. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    YF-

    They are all stable.

    One of our little Mopheads has been ill. Hopefully we can nurse him back to health real soon.

  44. Shame Spencer April 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    I’m hoping these LHP splits are an anomaly since we haven’t faced many lefties. Robbie’s splits right now look cray!! I’ll be hanging onto the SSS until the ASB at this rate lol.

    Phil had a strong start last go-round. I’d love to see him build on it. With Andy going tomorrow we could set ourselves up for the series win here.

    Any updates on Youk after he was scratched? He’s day to day?

  45. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:10 am

    CC is and was very short with the media, as usual.
    I think Musty makes the team if he doesn’t get hurt, it doesn’t matter what they say, as they lie.

  46. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Doreen-

    I think the Yankees need to reconsider that POV.

    They are way too restrictive w how they use their rookies IMO.

    Especially under the current circumstances. To me it makes no sense.

    So let’s hope we see Mustelier and/or Adams real soon.

  47. DONNYBROOK April 23rd, 2013 at 10:10 am

    With the isurance paying TEX’s salary, you can be Sure he will NOT return till he’s 110% physically sound. They are already dragging out the rehab.

  48. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Adams is hitting .340 something right now.
    I would dump francisco and bring him in to play.
    Sure he missed ST, but he is hitting NOW, and he is already 25 so why not see what we have in him. Once Youk is healthy, he can move to 1B, probably be good for his back too, and let Overbay back him up….. We just dont need Francisco on the team right now, he is doing NOTHING!

  49. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:11 am

    This team is going nowhere against any decent lefty but it has to change and will.

  50. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Doreen, the problem is though who they get as their bench in the first place. They don’t choose to acquire a player who gives them some youth and multidimensionality even as a bench player. They are happy year after year to stay status quo. They don’t seem to have a contingency. To say that the kids didn’t make a case for themselves doesn’t preclude their getting a better addition BEFORE the season begins. I am sure they didn’t anticipate the kids making the team; after all, these aren’t the elite prospects who they expected to force their way onto the club. Plus, we knew Jeet and Alex weren’t there to hit LHP. So, why not make a move before the problem comes back to bite you. We have to hope for a speedy return of Teix who has a history of these wrist injuries in order to be viable vs. LHP. Add to that the subtraction of Swish, and who did we add to hit LHP.

  51. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Shame, Girardi said he expected Youk to be unavailable for a couple of days/games…

  52. Shame Spencer April 23rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    ac – Agree. Francisco isn’t really bringing anything to the table in his current role and with guys like Youk banged up and Wells flirting with disaster by throwing himself all over the field (to make great plays!) and playing everyday we could use a better bench option.

    Adams is there and ready and knowing this org they’ll wait until he ends up hurt again before even considering calling him up.

  53. comnsnse April 23rd, 2013 at 10:15 am

    It’s desperation time when this kind of focus is placed on a single player on a 25 man roster.

    Sabbathia will not “decide” whether the team makes the playoffs this year.

    Yes he is an important component but IF the “stars” do not return, i.e. Jeter, Tex, Grandy and Arod and make a HUGE difference in the offense the likelihood of any post season activity is nil!

    The real question is if these stars do not return productively, does Cashman panic and trade kids for more vets despite his babble about getting younger?

  54. Bo knows April 23rd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Well, it’s not as bad as it could be. Four of their top five players are hurt and aren’t likely to be back soon. Youkilis has had back problems for years, so no surprise there as it’s turf. It is what it is.

  55. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    There is no team in baseball that could overcome the injuries they have sustained.
    It is the worst rash of injuries I have ever seen and so far they have done well to tread water.
    The youth will come , they just aren’t ready yet.

  56. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    MTU, good to hear, but what is wrong with the little mophead? I hope he has a speedy recovery.

  57. DONNYBROOK April 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Yanks played Cleveland, Jones gave us a game with that dropped fly, and Toronto gave 1 away also. Thel Yankee W-L record is Very misleading.

  58. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Musty is so ripe it’s time to call in the dep’t. of agriculture.

    Same w. Adams

  59. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Nix is actually a lynchpin here. Imagine the turmoil if he got hurt.
    They would be forced to consider Musty or Adams.
    In reality , it seems like the baseball gods are trying to force their hands in bringing up some youth to replace the fallen vets while they try hard to resist.

  60. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    The idea that we have to rely so much on Nix is scary. He is our answer to SUI. If Nix goes down, we have no one in this org right now to back up Nunie at SS.

  61. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Yanks played Cleveland, Jones gave us a game with that dropped fly, and Toronto gave 1 away also. Thel Yankee W-L record is Very misleading.
    ___

    Can say that about any team. That all balances out. You dont win 95 games without a little good fortune.

    I also disagree that the youth is ready. We have players that if given the chance will succeed.
    David Adams is the #1 example. I know Mesa and Almonte struggled in ST and we dont have many open spots but Adams is one that a good case is made. It will save Youkilis to be at 1b and it will let us see if Adams can hack it. We’d be sending Francisco down, it really is a no brainer.

  62. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:27 am

    YF-

    He has a allergic skin condition. not sure what caused it. the vet gave him an antibiotic and cortisone shot.

    he has some open sores.

  63. bruceb April 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    CC got “ambushed” in the first inning; he was fine after that. He’s the least of my worries. Matt Moore is a stud and I think it’s significant that both of the Yanks’ hits came from Cano. Scrubs like Francisco, Overbay and Nix aren’t going to lay good wood on his pitches.

    This current lineup (particularly one without Youk) isn’t going to hit quality left-handed pitching. It’s a fact of life. And to be honest, would it really be any different with ARod (circa 2012), Tex and Grandy in the lineup?

    I’m much more concerned with how Hughes pitches tonight. He and Nova have to win a game for us now and again. If he gives up his usual two or three bombs against Price, then it will be an encore performance at the Trop.

  64. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Hopefully, they are just trying their best to tread water right now til they can start releasing Francisco, Boesch and others.
    It is an interesting dilemma as slowly it seems their hand is being forced.
    Not thinking Musty and Adams alone are the answers either.
    Vlad Guerrero is playing for the LI Ducks…;)

  65. Shame Spencer April 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am

    yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Shame, Girardi said he expected Youk to be unavailable for a couple of days/games…

    —————

    *sigh* It was inevitable… get Adams up.

    Have they put Derek on the 60 day DL yet?

  66. Shame Spencer April 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Boesch actually looks pretty athletic to me… I’d rather have him over Francisco or Overbay.

  67. 86w183 April 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Francisco is probably the worst guy on the roster.

    Nix isn’t hitting and neither is Nunez which is why the OPS versus LHP is so pitiful (.562).

    I’d say finding a RH bat is the # 1 priority since both Jeter and A-Rod are at least two + months away.

  68. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Boesch at least has some upside. The others don’t.

  69. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Boesch looks really athletic going after fly balls esp line drives.
    He’s a goner with Ben and Bay.
    Without Jete, Tex and Grandy we are cooked…

  70. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:35 am

    No one should have to force the Yankees hand IMO.

    They have some young guys who look like they can help. They should be given the chance they’ve earned.

    It shouldn’t take an act of Congress.

    ;)

  71. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Nix isn’t hitting and neither is Nunez which is why the OPS versus LHP is so pitiful (.562).
    ___

    I believe Nunez will figure it out and be good. I think the hand injuries have hurt him at the plate. Nix, Francisco…. well we know what we see…

  72. Doreen April 23rd, 2013 at 10:36 am

    No, the W-L record is what it is.

    yankeefeminista, the position of needs is really a backup infielder who can really play SS, and there really isn’t anyone.

    Adams does not play the outfield (which I guess was a concern at first, but really is not right now vis-a-vis Francisco). Mustelier does, but he won’t be available for some time, I’d think.

    If Adams could play SS, I would see no reason not to bring him up right now.

    I’m just trying to think within the construct of the team. Yes, Adams is hitting. But where does he play if he’s called up? Will all those hits just be sitting on the bench?

    In any event, Francisco will be given his chance to fail, as Randy Wynn before him. They have nothing really invested in him, so if he doesn’t start making the most of his appearances, he will be gone. He’ll probably be gone as soon as Granderson makes it back.

    Nix is a solid backup infielder. He’s exactly the type of player teams want to give their players a break.

    As much as you try to have contingency plans, there is no way to plan for everyone going down at the same time. And that would be impossible to predict anyway.

    The only area I saw a lack was for 1B before they got Overbay, whose done a fine job. You’re not gonna be able to replace Tex with another Tex – that guy is starting for someone else.

    Jeter not being ready for opening day was (is) the problem, especially if Nunez doesn’t learn how to get out of the way of pitches better.

    Backups are backups. They’re not a problem if you’re playing with one in the lineup at a time (or maybe two).

  73. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Nix is strictly a utility man.
    They have painted themselves into a corner but injuries like these could not be predicted.

  74. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:38 am

    The only guy who I think will be back on schedule and stay healthy is Granderson.

    The odds are against Tex. And it is going to take some time with Jeter.

  75. Doreen April 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    question about last night, and CC in general:

    Does CC have a pattern that the Rays exploited? I know what CC said, but he’s not going to give away that the Rays picked something up, I’d think.

    Madden is pretty good at finding and capitalizing on teams’ weaknesses. The way the Rays came out swinging makes me think they had a very good game plan for inning #1.

  76. 86w183 April 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    They have painted themselves into a corner but injuries like these could not be predicted.

    ***************************************************************************

    True, but they need to react to the reality.

    Nix can’t play every day and Francisco simply can’t play at all.

  77. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    They really don’t have much choice here. They will have to go as far as they can with what they have as replacements aren’t going to make a difference, only the regulars will.

  78. austinmac April 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Nunez is not hitting at all. Nix never can hit. Neither can Francisco. Could Adams hit worse? I doubt it. Those suggesting Nunez could hit well enough for the outfield might want to rethink that.

  79. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 am

    It’s not a coincidence that with the ‘minor” injury to Youk, fans are starting to panic.
    He is the best RH hitter we have followed by Wells and Cervelli.
    Too bad it happened against Moore and Price, let’s get 1 game and go home.

  80. austinmac April 23rd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I disagree injuries couldn’t be anticipated and that’s why Nix has such a key role. Jeter and AROD’s injuries already existed, and anyone with any medical sense would know their return was and is questionable. Yet, no one was added capable of playing on the left side of the infield nor are they willing to give their prospects a shot-.

    Youkilis has missed time for the last few years with back and other issues. Again, nothing about him missing time is surprising.

  81. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I’m just trying to think within the construct of the team. Yes, Adams is hitting. But where does he play if he’s called up? Will all those hits just be sitting on the bench?
    __

    I said: He plays 3B and Youk moves to 1B and Overbay backs him up.
    Francisco hasnt even played the field this year, he DHs.
    We have 4 OFs already counting Boesch.
    Nix is the utility man.

  82. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    How do we know if the MiLB replacements can make a difference if the Yankees won’t give them a chance ?

    ;)

  83. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    How do we know if the MiLB replacements can make a difference if the Yankees won’t give them a chance ?
    ___

    All i know is how can Adams possibly hit worse than Francisco? BF is under .100. AND BATTING 2nd for some reason.

  84. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I just think with C it was location of pitches. I don’t think you can exploit C when he is locating. He has too many weapons.

    MTU, not sure how it would translate to dogs, but when my cat had an allergy problem, we found that lamb miraculously healed the skin condition. We also discovered he was allergic to chicken, so we stopped feeding it to him. Is it an airborne allergy or are you aware of the cause?

  85. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Everyone has good questions but there are no definitive answers.
    Sure they should have been building a farm system they could could just pluck from when needed.
    I doubt Musty and Adams are the answer, it’s deeper than that.
    They need their regulars to return and they have to stay around 500 till then.
    They have the potential to do it without further injuries.

  86. yankeefeminista April 23rd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Yanks would rather risk a potential big hairy even if it is a hypothetical rather than a player who can hit for average and have professional AB’s. Adams just isn’t big enough and hairy enough for Cash.

  87. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    YF-

    We are not at the moment. The allergy tests are quite expensive. For the time being we put him on a very simple and basic diet hoping that will help. It may be airborne too. we’ll see how he does.

    He seems to be getting a little better each day. Thank you for the concern. Much appreciated.

  88. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Mustelier should be brought up ASAP.

    He did everything but part the Red Sea this spring.

    He is young and versatile and looks like a player.

    He might even surprise some people.

    Not much to lose.

    Adams has made his case too IMO.

  89. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 11:00 am

    And if you want more pitching bring up Nuno and Montgomery.

    They’re ready too !

  90. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I doubt Musty and Adams are the answer, it’s deeper than that.
    ___

    The argument isnt if they are the answer.
    The argument is that some of the guys we have no ARE NOT the answer.
    How could either of those two be worse than Francisco? I mean really?
    The rest will have to work itself out when Grandy comes back, then Tex and one day maybe Jeter (dont really care about ARod).

    It’s too logical to work: Youk has back problems – moving to 1b will help a little not having to make long throws to first. Musty and Adams can play 3b and have shown they can hit. Nix is a utility player. Nunez is locked at SS for now.

    It may not solve the whole problem but it helps 2 problems.

  91. austinmac April 23rd, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Francisco isn’t big and hairy either. I have never understood what the team saw in him. neal is probably as good, but he is likely no answer either.

    What is up with Heathcott? He is not hitting, striking out a ton and generally making me wonder if he is ready for AA.

  92. bruceb April 23rd, 2013 at 11:06 am

    RAB: Yanks 2-12 in last 14 games at Tropicana Field. That’s horrendous against anyone, let alone a divisional rival. Wonder whether it has anything to do with the fact that the stadium is a s**t hole and some idiot keeps ringing a cowbell? Might be ok at downhill skiing but baseball…really?

  93. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    ac1…I agree…the problem lies at 1B….If they cut Overbay, who plays 1st if Youk is hurt?
    They are in a difficult situation, no doubt …

  94. Captain Clutch April 23rd, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Cashman has to wake up and realize that they can’t keep throwing Francisco and Nix out there. I would love to know what the excuse is for not giving Adams or Musty a chance?! it seems like Musty isn’t healthy now so start with Adams. He can’t possibility be any worse than what they are putting out there now. Their best lineup right now could be Adams at 3rd and Youk at 1st base. Overbay can play here and there against righties. It seems like the front office wants to go down with their crappy old veterans and never wants to give someone other than “their guys” a chance.

  95. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 11:12 am

    It’s really a shame because our 1-2-3 starters can match with any top 3 (CC will be fine).
    Rivera is here and it’s his last season….

    But there is very little chance we are winning the WS this year.

    I hope 2014 turns into a rebuilding year as much as it can.

    The Thunder are an exciting team to watch and I believe many of those players can be big time talent in the majors. For argument sake and understanding the reality of contracts here is what i would see with the 25 man in 2014.

    SP: CC/Pettitte/Pineda/Phelps/Nuno
    RP: Cabral (L), Rondon (L), Robertson (CL), Kelley, Warren, Montgomery, Joba (yes i would resign him and let him and Robertson battle for the 9th)
    OFFENSE: Tex, Cano, Jeter, Nunez, Adams, (some veteran utility guy), Heathcott, Austin, Gardner, Wells, Cervelli, Romine, A-Rod (FULL TIME DH).

  96. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 11:14 am

    ac1…I agree…the problem lies at 1B….If they cut Overbay, who plays 1st if Youk is hurt?
    They are in a difficult situation, no doubt …
    __

    Dont need to cut overbay. You are cutting Ben F for Adams, moving Youk to 1b and putting Overbay on bench. This is until tex returns, then they go back to tex at 1b, youk at 3b, either keep adams on team or send him back to aaa. Grandy will replace Boesch. Not going to worry about who Jeter and Alex replace yet.

  97. Captain Clutch April 23rd, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Warren is wasting a roster spot. They have to replace him with Adams, Nuno or Montgomery.

  98. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Warren is wasting a roster spot. They have to replace him with Adams, Nuno or Montgomery.
    ___

    Sadly Warren has been the 4th best starter on the team so far….. especially sad considering he is the 12th pitcher.

  99. Captain Clutch April 23rd, 2013 at 11:18 am

    MartinoNYDN: Cashman surprised by Cervelli’s April, too. “We were bracing for a significant decline on the offensive side.”
    ————————-

    Decline from what your starting catcher who hit like .180 last year? Cashman should keep his mouth shut he sounds like a fool these days.

  100. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 11:18 am

    These old guys need some warm weather and home cookin’.
    7 with Toronto and Houston coming up should do wonders.

  101. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Decline from what your starting catcher who hit like .180 last year? Cashman should keep his mouth shut he sounds like a fool these days.
    ___

    I have no issue with Cashman other than i dont believe he is a fit for what we need to do moving forward. We need someone who can draft well, and develop talent and recognize it when it exists. I would love to pry Andrew Friedman away from Tampa. Hell, i would trade to get him if we could.

  102. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    These old guys need some xtra Geritol and some time in the Bahamas.

    Doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results is crazy – paraphrasing Albert Einstein.

    :)

  103. Tidrow April 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    For what it’s worth Francisco hasn’t really been given a fair shot and he did hit the ball well yesterday. What has hurt them last 2 games is team’s inability to hit with men on base. Different cast of characters same results as last year. Don’t know if getting rid of a bench guy like Francisco solves that.

  104. Warning Track Power April 23rd, 2013 at 11:29 am

    I apologize if this place has been discussing the following to no end, but
    can someone share any news/reports regarding why C.C. was flexing his hand so much
    last night?
    I never did hear or read a reason for this. I watched the game on ESPN last night and more than once the cameras focused on C.C. and he was flexing his hand repeatedly.

  105. willwill April 23rd, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Time to give some guys in AAA a shot. Nuno, and thomas neal can’t be much worse than francisco and phelps.

    It’s also time for montgomery to get his shot. It can’t be 7 and pray for romo every game

  106. willwill April 23rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Anyone else find it hillarious when singleton said francisco is a homerun hitter? he’s it like 49 homer the last 7 years… lol

  107. MG April 23rd, 2013 at 11:32 am

    this Yankees team is very weak against left handed pitching, that was clear on opening day.

    Having Nix playing 3rd base against lefties is a real weakness-he’s a decent utility guy filling occasionally but not as a platoon 3rd baseman against lefties when the rest of the lineup isn’t strong.

    Francisco hit the ball hard 2X last night but hasn’t produced and really isn’t needed, it would seem to me that moving Adams up would make a lot of sense since that would give them another option at 3rd base

    Mustelier hasn’t played a game in almost a month, he can’t help the big club until he gets back on the field and who knows when that will be.

  108. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 11:33 am

    I do not think the Yankees aren’t getting the proper amount of talent into the system.

    If there are problems they are with the development/coaching process.

    And with the plan for getting guys to the Majors.

  109. ac1 April 23rd, 2013 at 11:34 am

    For what it’s worth Francisco hasn’t really been given a fair shot and he did hit the ball well yesterday. What has hurt them last 2 games is team’s inability to hit with men on base. Different cast of characters same results as last year. Don’t know if getting rid of a bench guy like Francisco solves that.
    ___

    BF struck out his first two ABs and it wasnt pretty. I realize moore was on last night but come on. BF is hitting under .100, fair chance or not…. He hasnt been a regular in a few years so this isnt new for him.

  110. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    MG-

    Musteleier has been re-instated at AAA. I believe he is playing again.

    Shouldn’t take him all that long to get his batting eye going again.

    In the meantime Adams shot get his shot.

    Ronnier is way more versatile though. They should get him up ASAP.

  111. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    edit: Should get

  112. Captain Clutch April 23rd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Too bad the Yanks didn’t lock up Kevin Towers when he was with the organization. They should have made him gm and moved Cashman into the front office. I don’t think Cashman has any idea how to do what needs to do be done with this organization right now. All Cashman knows how to do is spend $$$. Now they need to put the cash down and start building. Something that doesn’t seem like will ever happen with this front office. Especially when Levine makes them sign older guys just to make money off of them.

  113. Captain Clutch April 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Mike Axisa ?

    Yankees are hitting .195/.266/.303 vs. LHP

  114. MG April 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 11:35 am
    MG-

    Musteleier has been re-instated at AAA. I believe he is playing again.

    Shouldn’t take him all that long to get his batting eye going again.
    ————–
    he’s not listed on the roster: http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....8;sid=t531

    If I was the GM (I’m not) both of them would be up and Francisco and one of the pitchers would be gone, they really need some help against lefties until Teix gets back, but it’s their decision

    I’m not going to root against the guys on the field for the sake of seeing the guys I would prefer on the roster and in the lineup, though.

    They were 1-4 and the world was caving in, then they went 9-2 and were world beaters, now they lose 2 in a row and it’s back to the 1st week of the season.

    162 games is a long time, they’ll win 90-95 games and be in the playoffs..

  115. Against All Odds April 23rd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Niblick April 23rd, 2013 at 9:38 am
    Brian Cashman, August 28, 2008:

    “Has this painful season derailed Cashman’s greater vision of turning the Yankees into the proverbial player development machine?”

    “No,” Cashman said before the game. “If anything, you’re starting to see the necessity of [why] you have to get younger … We’ve had some injuries, there’s no doubt about it, but we’ve got some key guys who haven’t performed like they’re capable of. Is that because of age?”

    Cashman is a joke.

    ———————–

    Crazy thing is the team is older now than it was back then or at least it seems like it is.

  116. Brian April 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Why bring up Nuno to replace Warren? He’s better off staying down and actually pitching in some real games than just sitting around as the last pitcher on the roster.

    Warren is continuing the recent fine history of how to develop young starters – Noesi, Mitchell, Phelps. Take starters and put them in the bullpen and never use them, or use them in the wrong spots.

  117. MG April 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    by the way, Matt Moore has easily been the best pitcher in the AL so far this season, they didn’t lose to a chump last night.

    Price hasn’t pitched well so far, let’s see how they do against him tonight…

  118. MTU April 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    MG-

    I agree it’s a long season. I am not projecting wins. There is too much uncertainty.

    I don’t root against the others. Just wish to see the best possible solutions put out there that the options will allow.

    It was my understanding that Musty was palying again ?

    Perhaps Chad will update us on him.

  119. Tackelberry April 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Can’t get too high after a win or too low after a loss or two. Lets keep level heads here. Its like having Spudd Webb and Manute Bol on the same team

  120. austinmac April 23rd, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I have been pleasantly surprised with the team’s play so far. Something has to be done about adding a bat. Try Adams. An OPS south of .570 vs. left handed pitchers is a couple of levels below awful.

    Ichiro looks about 100. He has hit very few balls hard this year. He doesn’t have the speed any longer to regularly beat out infield hits. In short, he is not an outfield bat in my opinion.

    When Cervelli bats fifth that about says it all. He will likely hit around .250 with a handful of homers. That is out fifth hitter? Franciso is the second hitter. Of course, after Cervelli last night was Nunez and his .160 average, Nix and his career of a role player, Boesch who was released and Overbay, another released player.

    How many of the starters against lefties are even replacement level? Not many, even if we are charitable.

  121. tucker April 23rd, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Ben Francisco serves no purpose on this roster right now. Don’t need his glove, and he’s just a right-handed bat vs. LHP. And he is not hitting.

    Too bad Musty hasnn’t been playing. He’d be a perfect fit for this lineup. He can spell bad back Youk, play some outfield or DH vs LHP. The 40-man spot would be freed up after they waive Francisco.

    But since Musty likely need more at bats in AAA before he gets the call, try Adams. He, too, can play third and DH vs. lefties.

    Every win will count this year, and the lineup they have vs. lefties is not very good right now. Even a marginal improvement like Musty/Adams will help.

  122. Niblick April 23rd, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Since game 3, Nunie has gone 3 for 32. If he’s hurt, get him out of there.

  123. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Musty and Hank have been banished .
    Sometimes the Yanks act like the KGB.

  124. randy l. April 23rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    “What is up with Heathcott? He is not hitting, striking out a ton and generally making me wonder if he is ready for AA.”

    austin mac-

    i saw him up close in portland a few weeks ago, and granted it was wind chill 35 degrees out , but he didn’t seem to be having fun like some of the other guys were. jr murphy for example came over to the only two crazy people out there on the right field line near the yankee bullpen and enthusiastically signed the kid’s glove that i brought when i asked him if he’d like to convert a red sox kid to a yankee kid.

    murphy had a good day that day too. almost homer, double , and caught well. i liked his work ethic too in being the only catcher out there working on blocking balls and his footwork on throwing to second.

    i realize that it was only a quick impression , but i do pay attention to first impressions while knowing they need to be backed up by watching more thoroughly. but i wasn’t impressed by heathcott that day.
    JR Murphy on the other hand looks like he’s going to be a major leaguer sometime soon.

  125. mick April 23rd, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    would you be having fun in a 35 degree wind chill factor?
    maybe heathcott is bored or freezing…

  126. G. Love April 23rd, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    I don’t know…we just took 2 of 3 in Toronto and got beat, but not blown out, last night.

    I don’t see this as any emergency just yet.

    CC’s been inconsistent, but I thought his velocity ticked up a little last night.

    Vernon Wells had a bad night at the plate which was oddly enough surprising to me because the guy looks locked in vs. LHP thus far.

    They got to CC early and then he pretty much shut them down the rest of the way. The key is getting CC back to a form where he doesn’t give up the game early only to settle down the rest of the way. That’s frustrating without a doubt.

    I also thought Francisco hit a ball last night to LF that I thought was a HR but made it to the warning track.

    I don’t know, I just didn’t chalk last night up as some “state of the season” loss.

    That being said, if Adams is doing what you’re all saying with the bat in the minors, it’s time to give the kid a shot up here. End of story. It’s not like he’s going to lose trade value if he comes up and gets exposed. He passed through waivers. No one else really wanted him more than the Yankees.

    The Yankees should reward him for that and let the kid play and show if his bat can make the jump.

  127. austinmac April 23rd, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    MTU,

    Chad said Musty played three innings in an extended spring game yesterday for what I believe to be his first action. So, he is a ways away from being ready.

    I say bring up Adams and give him a shot. If he fails, Musty should be ready.

  128. Cashmoney April 23rd, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    so far Yanks have faced four lefties and they have done little. it’s not about getting low after a loss, it’s about facing the reality of this team absolutely at lost against most lefties. just like andrew jones, this team seem destine in riding on the backs of Nixey or Bensy til these two replacement players utterly get beaten into the pavement. Smart money on Tampa again tonight, if I wasn’t a Yankee fan, i would have bet huge against CC in last night’s matchup. NYY pitchers have zero margin for errors against lefties. I don’t understand why Adams is not up here, then again FO obviously are not high on him. make no mistakes that I have no idea what Adams might able to contribute but I certainly do know what Ben or Nix can or can not. If you want a roster spot, send down Warren! This management is so inflexible in thoughts it strike me almost comical.

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