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Postgame notes: “We weren’t able to do much”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 24, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Standing in the back of the visiting clubhouse, Andy Pettitte wasn’t happy, which should come as a shock to no one. Pettitte pitched pretty well tonight, but standing there postgame he ripped himself for hitting Jose Molina and for a bad sequence to Ben Zobrist. He’d taken his first loss of the season, and he wasn’t happy about it.

But after taking himself to task, Pettitte said the most indisputable thing of the night.

“Their kid threw a great game and we weren’t able to do much,” Pettitte said. “There’s not a whole lot more than that on this one.”

Alex Cobb was terrific — “He didn’t make any mistakes,” Joe Girardi said — and for the third day in a row, the Yankees offense had serious trouble with this Rays pitching staff. It should come as no surprise, considering the Rays have a terrific rotation and some power arms in the bullpen, but this was a three-game series in which the Yankees had just one extra-base hit. In their two losses, they had a total of six hits.

“I mean, it’s the same thing if we play Toronto or Boston, it seems like,” Brett Gardner said. “Every night we’re facing one of the best. … We’ve got real good pitching, too. We needed to give Andy a lead tonight and couldn’t do it.”

At one point, Cobb retired 19 of 20, and the one exception was a Jayson Nix single erased by a double play. The Yankees put two on in the second, but Cobb didn’t let the led runner past second base. The Yankees got two more on in the ninth, but Fernando Rodney got Robinson Cano and Travis Hafner — basically, the hitters the Yankees would want at the plate in that moment — to preserve the lead.

That was it. That was the extent of the offense. Pettitte was hard on himself, but he gave the Yankees seven innings of three-run ball. Not perfect, obviously, but not devastating either.

“You’re going to have to make the most of your opportunities against this team,” Joe Girardi said.

Thing is, the Yankees really didn’t give themselves many opportunities and never had much of a chance.

• After the hit by pitch and the Brennan Boesch error in the fifth, Pettitte got two strikeouts before giving up Zobrist’s two-run double on a 2-1 curveball. “It wasn’t over the middle of the plate,” Pettitte said. “It was just really not a great sequence for me. It wasn’t a terrible pitch, but obviously it was the wrong pitch at that time, I think.” Asked to go into detail about why it was a bad sequence — fastball, slider, slider, curveball — Pettitte refused. “Just a bad sequence,” he said.

• What happened to Boesch on that Kelly Johnson single to right? “I just came up too quick,” he said. “Maybe at the corner of my eye (watching Jose Molina running from first to second). Just came up too quick; 99 out of 100 times you make it, and just happened to be that today it didn’t work out. Like I said, you just move on, try to pick the team up with your bat or make a play.”

• How did the error affect Pettitte? “The only thing that changed is I’m thinking to concede a run right here,” Pettitte said. “You still want to make pitches, but you don’t want it to turn into a big inning. If I give up one there, we can handle that. Like I said, if it’s first and second, you’re still looking for the ground ball. My mindset is exactly the same. Obviously I didn’t get the ground ball; I had two strikeouts and a chance to get out of it and I didn’t do it. That was obviously really the game right there.”

• Pettitte actually has much better career numbers against Evan Longoria than against Zobrist, but with first base open, Pettitte said he never considered walking Zobrist to face Longoria. Would have been pretty risky, obviously. “I’m just trying to get him out,” Pettitte said. “I have no idea what my numbers are on him. I really just felt good tonight. I wasn’t concerned with who was up there; I was just trying to make pitches.”

• Would Pettitte have changed his approach had he known the career numbers? “No. I feel like everybody is hitting over .300 off me in their career, to tell you the truth,” he said.

• One bright side, Eduardo Nunez looked great at shortstop tonight. “Two tremendous plays,” Girardi said. “As good as it gets. You look at both of them, going each way. … A lot of arm strength and a lot of accuracy.”

• Was Girardi planning to pull Pettitte when he went to the mound in the sixth? “I just wanted to make sure he had something left,” Girardi said.

• In his ninth-inning at-bat, Cano rolled over a changeup from Rodney. “I was looking for the changeup,” Cano said. “But also, you don’t want to take just in case he throws you a fastball down the middle.”

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50 Responses to “Postgame notes: “We weren’t able to do much””

  1. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    I hope Pettitte remains healthy and effective enough to want to return next year, because he is pitching at a very high level.

  2. Against All Odds April 24th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Can they afford him next yr?

  3. luis April 24th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Rich,

    Just got home from work…. I read the posts on the previous thread… Good posts in general

    I would only add that 8 years is sample enough, they need to bring a fresh mind in to the fold… I have always said that the “Win Now” mentality is counterproductive, unattainable and dumb… it should be used as an excuse for the poor results we have had developing players… Same goes with the talent evaluations, we have traded pretty good players that could be helping a great deal right now.

    I think we have drafted good players in general, taking in to account the place we draft and the amount of money invested on it… So I wouldn’t blame the scouting and drafting teams, but our coaching staff that has failed to develop that talent

  4. UnKnown April 25th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    YU is just dominating once again. Too bad we didn’t need him…

  5. Nick in SF April 25th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    Another story I’d like to hear told.

  6. Jerkface April 25th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    https://t.co/hZkJGL75xa

    Yu Darvish clowns Mike Trout with a slow curve.

  7. 4 NYY April 25th, 2013 at 1:23 am

    Does anyone have more movement that YU ?

  8. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2013 at 7:00 am

    I think we have drafted good players in general, taking in to account the place we draft and the amount of money invested on it… So I wouldn’t blame the scouting and drafting teams, but our coaching staff that has failed to develop that talent
    -
    luis

    The scouting and drafting peeps have been pretty good, but I guess I am asking whether or not they have been tasked with an overarching principle by the GM. For example, a direction to ensure that drafted players have the aptitude to master a change, a pitch that can make less than elite pure stuff play up better, and I also think it contributes the feel required to a achieve good command.

    We all like power pitches and wicked curves, but the change, in practical terms, seems to help more pitchers get more out of their talent.

    btw that curve in the Yu gif is awesome.

  9. Mike Ri April 25th, 2013 at 7:05 am

    only 2 games behind the Sox……500 road trip . .. not the worse thing in the world.

  10. Doreen April 25th, 2013 at 7:08 am

    Good morning.

    I have one thought to add to the discussion from last night ( maybe two, it’s an inexact science ;) )

    Anyway, when Cashman first t alkyd about rebuilding the farm system, he was candid about using the players to help the major league team either directly or indirectly by trading those young players for impact major leave players.

    And that is what they’ve done. With mixed results, to be sure, but they were not initially in the business of building an entire team, or even the major pieces of the team, from within. I think what that does is take emphasis away from spending too much on the development piece, or it could factor in at any rate, if your goal is to keep the very best (where talent trumps development) and trade the works in progress whose potential would be developed or not wherever they ended up.

    It is indisputable that the pitching pipeline has not developed the way it was hoped, and we can opine as to why ( I opine it is a combination of things). They seem to be making personnel changes which would suggest that they are figuring it out as they go.

    The new wrinkle, and the reason I say more time is needed, is the cap, which effectively will make them more dependent upon keeping as many of their own prospects as possible. Which means, they have to be responsible for the development from start to finish. It is not going to be a smooth road. And even if tomorrow, they hired all the best people, it will still take time to implement.

    The other thought is that the Rays can’t afford to keep all of their stars and really don’t need to. They don’t have the history the Yankees have, and are not a franchise that is built on legends and old timers games and monument parks, etc. it is imperative that the Yankees find balance here. I think if Phil Hughes has a good year, they will try and resign him on a big way. Cano will be signed. These two players are linked to their system. Even now, people are lamenting that it will be difficult to see Hughes finally put it together only to see some other team reap the benefit. Yankees fans are not wired to say goodbye to their homegrowns. The rays are a conveyor belt and it is rare when they keep a player. The Yankees I don’t think can ever be them. And they shouldn’t be hem. The Yankees are larger than life. But I think they can definitely learn from what they do with their young pitching. But it won’t ever be the same here.

  11. austinmac April 25th, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Doreen,

    The strength of the team will likely be leaving next year as Kuroda, Pettitte and Hughes would eat a huge portion of the remaining budget. Nuno, with his wily ways, is the only replacement I see on the horizon other than the Pineda prayer.

    I can’t imagine what their plan is. I hope they have one. I sure don’t.

  12. Doreen April 25th, 2013 at 7:21 am

    Austinmac,

    I am taking the Scarlett O’Hara approach to 2014. ;)

  13. austinmac April 25th, 2013 at 7:29 am

    Doreen, good plan. I hope the Yankees’ house survives better.

  14. austinmac April 25th, 2013 at 7:33 am

    The team is playing well, all things considered. I do wonder how the attendance will be. They have few regulars with whom the fans have a connection. It is almost like watching another team. Jeter’s absence sure makes the team a bit alien.

  15. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    And that is what they’ve done. With mixed results, to be sure, but they were not initially in the business of building an entire team, or even the major pieces of the team, from within. I think what that does is take emphasis away from spending too much on the development piece, or it could factor in at any rate, if your goal is to keep the very best (where talent trumps development) and trade the works in progress whose potential would be developed or not wherever they ended up.

    Doreen

    When Cashman got more power wy back in 2006, he said that they would soon no longer have to sign other teams’ expensive free agent starters because they would develop their own. Obviously, he has failed to achieve his stated goal.

    So he wanted to add major pieces from the beginning and has only been able to develop a few relievers and marginal guys like Gardner and Nunez. According to pat, the players on the current AS ballot are supplied by they team. Yet to those who think that they were high on on Cervelli going into the season, they revealingly opted to put Stew’s name on the ballot instead.

    Two major developments destroyed any chance to have a positive record of development at this point: 1) giving the Hughes, Joba, IPK rotation experiment about a month to work before abandoning it forever; and 2) trading AJack and IPK and watching other organizations be able to finish off their development, when they might not have possessed that ability based on their track record.

    Those developments reflect very poorly on this “plan” that has failed to reach fruition in what is now its 8th year.

    So instead we now need to spend $230m to compete, and it is not like it is particularly well spent.

    Got to run.

  16. joeman April 25th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    Postgame notes: “We weren’t able to do much
    ———————————————-
    well this goes back to late last year and the playoffs, even when the team was together they didn’t hit. You’ll get run production here and there & even if help arrives from the DL don’t know what your really going to get out of them…

  17. joeman April 25th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    Rich in NJ April 24th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
    I hope Pettitte remains healthy and effective enough to want to return next year, because he is pitching at a very high level.

    —————————————-
    got to like the way he tip his pitch though

  18. joeman April 25th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    and 1 more from me….I don’t see the fascination with Gardner and that stiff Youkilis on this board

  19. Benny Blanco April 25th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Yu Darvish is 4-1 with a 1.65 Era WOWSERS

    Trout is batting 271.

    Hamilton 225.

    Pujols 265.

    DAMN!!

  20. Yankee Trader April 25th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    I am taking the Scarlett O’Hara approach to 2014.
    ———-
    Doreen-
    Does that mean ” Frankly dear, I don’t give a #*%&

  21. jacksquat April 25th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    There isn’t a “fascination” with Gardner. He’s a very good if not perfect defender, and he has put up a couple of good if not great years with the bat. Right now he’s definitely our best leadoff option based on recent performance. And he is relatively cheap. That’s it.

  22. Yankee Trader April 25th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    As well as Hughes pitched in Tampa, he’s still a fly ball pitcher. I believe he had only one out from a ground ball.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes the FA route and returns to be near his home either at San Diego or LA.

  23. MTU April 25th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Doreen-

    Points well taken.

    When you can go the best supermarket in the world all the time and have a huge bank account things are simpler than having to whip things up in your home from scratch.

    When you you are used to dinning out making your own meals takes some getting used to.

    That said, A significant time amount of time for the Yankees to learn how to cook again has passed.

    Maybe it’s time to replace the cooking staff ? At least some of them ?

    189 is a recent development and the gears had to be readjusted. We need to factor that in too.

    The minute I heard about it I termed it a straightjacket. Playing catchup in the development world is not easy.

  24. Yankee Trader April 25th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    MTU-

    Good morning.I don’t know it the Steinbrenner’s will replace the Chef (Cashman), who is still under contract. They might let go the head waiter-Girardi.

  25. MTU April 25th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    IMO the best way for the Yankees to proceed is a to have a 3-pronged strategy:

    1) Strategic acquisitions of select FA’s

    2) Trades

    3) The Farm

    That is basically the Dynasty year’s model. It worked back then to great success and it should work in the future.

    :)

  26. MTU April 25th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    YT-

    I just tossed it out there for discussion.

    Some new blood might be appropriate in this changed environment ?

    They are doing some things well but there is always room for improvement.

    ;)

  27. MTU April 25th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    For example, They brought Hendry over from the Cubs.

    Does anyone have a clue what his role is, and what he does to help us ?

    Has he even helped us ?

    I sure don’t know.

  28. MTU April 25th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    SJ, when he was here, used to say that the Yankee’s were great at self-scouting.

    Are they still ?

    It’s an essential process.

  29. MTU April 25th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    New one —–>

  30. Yankee Trader April 25th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Will the team look all that different in 2014?

    If Cano is signed to an extension the OF might be Wells, Gardner and Ichiro and the infield if Jeter and ARod can still play in the field are the same and Cervelli is the catcher. The prospects are nothing more than backups in the current Yankee system, languishing in the minors.

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    Milhouse: Will they ever?

    Guide: No, we only make boxes to ship nails. Any other questions?

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