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LoHud Yankees chat begins at noon

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  1. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    2014 option may increase to $17M based on awards earned in 2011-13: $4M for AL MVP; $2M for 2nd-6th in MVP vote; $1.5M for Silver Slugger;

    ________

    I see it now. So the AAV is 14M but his 2014 salary counts as 14 M plus 1.5 for the silver slugger.

    But I shouldn’t let “Duh Innings” drag me into arguments over this phantom 189 figure.

  2. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    What a drain on time and energy the 189 thing has been on this blog. My Yankees fan friends offline always shrugged it off.

  3. Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    I thought this was an interesting look at 10 managers on the last year of their contracts. Nothing earth-shattering, but of note was that Mattingly requested a year extension on his contract and was declined.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....b-managers

  4. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    What a drain on time and energy the 189 thing has been on this blog. My Yankees fan friends offline always shrugged it off.

    —————–

    Too bad the Yankees didn’t shrug it off.. we’d have Yu Darvish pitching for a $9.3 AAV through 2017.

  5. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I don’t understand the ‘see there was nothing to worry about!’ approach when the team has already been impacted by a plan that hasn’t come the fruition.

  6. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    He could still turn into Dice K and then that 100 million goes down the toilet. When you have nearly half a billion invested in two stiffs (Arod and Tex), I think you’ve already maximized your risk.

  7. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Ghost, I don;t want to keep going back and forth, but Francisco is a 31 year old that has had an OPS of .700 the last two years and has a career OPS that is 35 points higher against righties than lefties, yet we sign him to be our guy to platoon against lefties? There are a ton of cheap players that can give you an OPS of over .750 against lefties…shoot, as poor a hitter as cervelli was before this year he had an .820 OPS against lefties over the past 3 years.

  8. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    What a drain on time and energy the 189 thing has been on this blog. My Yankees fan friends offline always shrugged it off.

    I agree. And nicely put, as well. It has been a drain. However, I think that the focus on the 189-threshold always was a proxy for a general level of discontent, and not really about the threshold itself.

  9. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    The 189 was not necessarily something the Yankees adhered to in their decisions. Fans only imagine that. It could’ve just been posturing geared towards reducing financial risks while having to shell out all that money to Arod and Tex. It keeps agents and GM’s in check. Along the way we were able to dump AJ and get Wells and Ichiro cheap in trades.

  10. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    What a drain on time and energy the 189 thing has been on this blog. My Yankees fan friends offline always shrugged it off.

    —————–

    Too bad the Yankees didn’t shrug it off.. we’d have Yu Darvish pitching for a $9.3 AAV through 2017.

    =======

    Oh? What does Darvish have to do with the $189 threshold? The amount of the bid never had a thing to do with the payroll level, and least as far as the luxury tax was concerned.

  11. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Shoot, jason Nix has an OPS against lefties for his career of .734 which is better than Francisco’s…this was a waste of a roster spot and 1.1 million dollars. What is the minimum ML contract (550k?); anything above that was flushed away and more important you lose the opportunity to see someone play in the majors.

  12. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Ghost, I don;t want to keep going back and forth, but Francisco is a 31 year old that has had an OPS of .700 the last two years and has a career OPS that is 35 points higher against righties than lefties, yet we sign him to be our guy to platoon against lefties? There are a ton of cheap players that can give you an OPS of over .750 against lefties…shoot, as poor a hitter as cervelli was before this year he had an .820 OPS against lefties over the past 3 years.
    =======

    I don’t want to go back and forth either. I simply asked you for the name of the player(s) that the Yanks passed on to have Francisco on the roster. The fact that you haven’t named one makes my point for me.

  13. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Yes, yes, this entire off season and the one before was a complete collective hallucination by only members of this blog.

    Cocaine is one hell of a drug….

  14. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Oh? What does Darvish have to do with the $189 threshold? The amount of the bid never had a thing to do with the payroll level, and least as far as the luxury tax was concerned.

    ———————-

    The deal would have required more than a one year pact.. which they’ve been adverse to (which is how/why it applies to the LT and the budget).

  15. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    hyperbole

  16. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    The point is it’s unknown if they were adverse to a LT deal or a 50 million dollar bid while having half a billion committed to Arod and Tex. This is not rocket science.

  17. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Oh? What does Darvish have to do with the $189 threshold? The amount of the bid never had a thing to do with the payroll level, and least as far as the luxury tax was concerned.

    ———————-

    The deal would have required more than a one year pact.. which they’ve been adverse to (which is how/why it applies to the LT and the budget).
    ========

    :lol: So, then why did the Yankees bid on Darvish if they were so adverse to a multi-year pact? Were they just trying to stay in practice?

  18. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    I will believe that the $189m isn’t real when they contractually commit to going over, not before.

  19. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    :lol: So, then why did the Yankees bid on Darvish if they were so adverse to a multi-year pact? Were they just trying to stay in practice?

    ———————

    They weren’t even close on the bid.. it was a low ball bid, and you’re assuming if they won it with that low ball bid they would have signed him (which, if Nakajima was any indication, they may not have).

  20. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Rich – Don’t worry about it, we made the whole thing up! We are still in some Inception like dream, in fact, where we’re all living in a collective reality that is not reality at all!

  21. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    No, I don’t think so. I think it makes much more sense to retain Hughes over Granderson. Much harder to find a pitcher than an outfielder, especially with this minor league system. I find it very, very hard to believe Granderson will be back.

    —————

    Oh man, Bret, don’t look now but Chad doesn’t think Grandy will be retained… I wonder what OFer with a last name beginning with a G might be penciled in for 2014 instead…

    :lol:

  22. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    They weren’t even close on the bid.. it was a low ball bid, and you’re assuming if they won it with that low ball bid they would have signed him (which, if Nakajima was any indication, they may not have).

    =========

    What does the magnitude of the bid have to do with the 189 threshold?

  23. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Shame

    Heh.

    The only thing real is Hal’s (and his siblings) yachts, mansions, and ever-growing portfolio.

    Thinking about it some more, DiCaprio could play Hal in a movie, “Daddy Dearest,” something like that. ;)

    More seriously, it’s really about spending smartly, and to date, they haven’t done a lot of that recently.

  24. jacksquat April 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    My first thought against right handers is to go with
    Gardner
    Jeter
    Cano
    Teixeira
    Granderson
    Youkilis
    Hafner
    Wells
    Cervelli

    Teixeira better not hit cleanup vs rhp when he returns. He deserves to hit no higher than 6th. Hafner and Wells at 7/8 is an insult to guys who have been carrying the offense (and Youk when healthy).

  25. luis April 26th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Good afternoon everyone,

    GM,

    On Ichiro you weren’t alone… It is a bad contract for several reasons: 1) He is declining and it is very unlikely that he gives us the kind of production we got from him last season. 2) If they are serious about the 189 cap, this means less available payroll space for more important pieces ( Including Cano and Hughes ) 3) We have an already very old team, why add more age to it?

    On Hughes,

    He may not be the ace we were all been hoping for, but he is a solid 3-4 SP, who can win 15 games per season consistently… Sure he is going to give us some clunkers here and there, but I think he is worth keeping at a reasonable contract. But I agree with you that Nova has much better stuff and ceiling, he just needs to have a more consistent delivery… Hopefully he will eventually get there, if he does he can be an ace.

    Ghost,

    Sure they tried Almonte and Mesa, but they left Flores out who is far better than those two and his bat is as ready as it can be. By the way, he did hit a homer the other day.

  26. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    luis

    Put me in the camp that thinks Hughes will have a better career than Nova.

  27. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Again, Shame.

    Gardner, Ichiro, Wells…

    Really?

  28. luis April 26th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    luis

    Put me in the camp that thinks Hughes will have a better career than Nova.

    =============================

    if he can’t shore up his delivery, you are probably right… But if he does ( I believe he will ), he is a far better pitcher than Hughes ( much better secondary offerings ) Not saying that Hughes isn’t good, just that if he manages to get consistent, Nova is better than him.

  29. LGY April 26th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    The Yankees are backtracking on the $189 plan?

    Seriously concerning on many levels. One, it demonstrates their inability to execute a long term plan. Two, they wasted two years by signing only short term contracts. Three, it took them this long to figure out the savings were not worth it despite the propaganda they’ve been spreading about the enormous savings.

  30. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Ichiro is just getting warmed up; Gardiner will never be more than a 4th outfielder\part time player.
    Nova is a mess. Don’t know whose fault it is, but I sat behind the plate in Toronto last week. He constantly missed spots, his body language is terrible. He acts as if he expects disaster and he is pitching to avoid it. Not what we oiginally saw from him.

  31. luis April 26th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Nope,

    2014 Gardner, Flores, Wells/Heathcott/ Austin….. Ichiro 4th OF

    2015 Flores, Williams, Heathcott/Austin/Gardner

  32. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    luis

    Nova will probably be here longer, so I hope you’re right. I have never seen enduring consistency from him at any point in his career.

    Hughes has a plus FB, a decent curve (although not what it was prior to 2007), and improving change. If he could ever be taught to pound the lower half of the zone more, he would be incrementally better, but it’s not going to happen in NY.

  33. luis April 26th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Joe,

    When you are changing things ( like he is doing ), it is very hard to trust the new thing. Doing it in real games that counts makes it worse. Just the fact that he is doing it and improving incrementally tells you that he is a keeper. Would it be better that if he could work on this in triple A?… Sure

  34. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    agree on Hughes, he also needs to develop some kind of go to\put away pitch.

  35. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    “One, it demonstrates their inability to execute a long term plan.”

    I don’t think they know what they are going to do, and it probably changes from month to month.

    As you once said, they’re the Knicks, pre-Grunwald.

  36. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    He may benefit from a stint in AAA. Haliday, Cliff Lee all got demoted at similar points in their careers and it benefitted them. Right now, we can’t afford to dump every 5th start. In each of his three losses Nova has put us in a hole which we climbed out of to give him a lead which he could not hold. He has the ability, the first year and a half as a starter, his calliong card was that once got a lead he did not relinquish it, hence the 16-4 record.

  37. luis April 26th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Rich,

    Hughes has more deception on his FB, but I don’t think the difference is that big between the two when Nova keeps the ball down. Then Nova has a plus CB, plus slider and a good CU. If he gets consistent there is no competition on who is the better pitcher.

    Having said that, I think Hughes should be kept… He is very good, just not an ace… Will they be able to keep him? Unlikely, if they are serious about the cap. Not after signing Ichiro and trading for Wells.

    That’s why I think LGY has a point on his post… If you are not going to stay below the 189 mil cap, then why signing this kind of players?

  38. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    LGY April 26th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    The Yankees are backtracking on the $189 plan?

    Seriously concerning on many levels. One, it demonstrates their inability to execute a long term plan. Two, they wasted two years by signing only short term contracts. Three, it took them this long to figure out the savings were not worth it despite the propaganda they’ve been spreading about the enormous savings.

    ——————–

    Aren’t you paying attention dude? We imagined the whole thing and must now take a ‘no harm, no foul’ approach.

    Bret – I don’t envision our OF to be Ichi, Gardner and Wells.. they’ll add someone or call someone up.

  39. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    luis

    Their only plan is to focus on how to get through any given year. There is no plan for subsequent years.

    For the Cashman defenders, that’s their best defense, because it seems apparent that it comes from the top down.

  40. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Hughes’ slider is giving him a swing and miss pitch. He threw it about 28% of time last game, and got 6 whiffs on it. So, that is progress. But agree about Nova having better stuff. I’d love to see Nova command his pitches better in the early going tonight than in the past two games.

    Speaking of plans, I would have had one for when Youk got hurt. Looks like he may have to go on the DL. Does that mean we overplay Nix? Or do we call up a replacement?

  41. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    BA Hot Sheet:

    Rafael DePaula10. Rafael DePaula, rhp, Yankees

    Team: low Class A Charleston (South Atlantic)

    Age: 22.

    Why He’s Here: 0-0, 0.00, 5 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 10 SO

    The Scoop: Charleston fans: Get out to the ballpark and get a look at DePaula while you can. Considering his long wait to get to the U.S.—he first caught scouts’ eyes in 2009, but age and identity discrepancies meant he made his U.S. debut this year—could induce the Yankees to move him up to high Class A pretty quickly, especially if he keeps pitching like this.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....stand-out/

  42. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Rich,

    It seems that way, which I think it is shortsighted to put it mildly… This thing will blow up on their faces if they keep going like that

  43. 86w183 April 26th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    there has been a great deal of misunderstanding here regarding the quest for $ 189 and the decisions the Yanks have made in that regard.

    Hal often stated he thought that the Yanks should be able to compete @ $ 189 but that getting the payroll down would not be done at the expense of being competitive.

    In the last year the financial strategy has been largely consistent. Avoid long term commitments while maintaining a high payroll team that can contend by utilizing one-year and expiring contracts — see Pettitte, Kuroda, Rivera, Cano, Granderson, Youkilis and Hughes.

    The only move they’ve made that was inconsistent with that plan was Ichiro, which I still don’t understand. Wells will only cost them about $ 3 M next season… and ZERO on the luxury tax calculation.

    I don’t know if they’ll be at $ 189 next year, but the financial benefits of doing so are still substantial…. just not as substantial as originally projected.

  44. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    The primary misunderstanding is Hal’s (or Levine’s). If they had signed Darvish, Chapman, and/or Cespedes, they would have been getting production that outstripped their contract. That is precisely the strategy that a franchise seeking to reduce the budget (and making it more efficient) in future seasons should have been adopting, not taking fliers on aging veterans in the hope of winning the lottery.

  45. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Hi YF!!,

    Agree on your post… If Youk hits the DL they are probably going to expose Nix…They should call Adams and Mustelier when he is ready….Then you DFA Francisco and Overbay when Tex returns…

  46. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    86w183 April 26th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    there has been a great deal of misunderstanding here regarding the quest for $ 189 and the decisions the Yanks have made in that regard.

    Hal often stated he thought that the Yanks should be able to compete @ $ 189 but that getting the payroll down would not be done at the expense of being competitive.

    In the last year the financial strategy has been largely consistent. Avoid long term commitments while maintaining a high payroll team that can contend by utilizing one-year and expiring contracts — see Pettitte, Kuroda, Rivera, Cano, Granderson, Youkilis and Hughes.

    ========

    The Yanks’ strategy has been pretty consistent since the 2009 WS. The principal exceptions have been extending Sabathia’s contract and signing Ichiro for two years. Otherwise, I think you pretty much nailed it in your post.

  47. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
    The primary misunderstanding is Hal’s (or Levine’s). If they had signed Darvish, Chapman, and/or Cespedes, they would have been getting production that outstripped their contract. That is precisely the strategy that a franchise seeking to reduce the budget (and making it more efficient) in future seasons should have been adopting, not taking fliers on aging veterans in the hope of winning the lottery.

    ===========================

    This….

  48. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    86,

    Ichiro’s 6 mil and Wells 3 mil is about what would require to keep hughes… The former is just a complimentaryplayer nowadays, the latter has surprised me… But still, why add more age to an already very old team?

  49. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    The primary misunderstanding is Hal’s (or Levine’s). If they had signed Darvish, Chapman, and/or Cespedes, they would have been getting production that outstripped their contract. That is precisely the strategy that a franchise seeking to reduce the budget (and making it more efficient) in future seasons should have been adopting, not taking fliers on aging veterans in the hope of winning the lottery.
    =================

    Taking a chance that Wells might have some juice left at $14 milliion is riskier than committing 100 million–$paying $50 million of it up front, mind you– on a guy with no experience in the major leagues? Interesting idea of what constitutes risk.

  50. G. Love April 26th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    joecembrale,

    Totally agree with you on Nova’s body language. This is not the guy who came up as a rookie and challenged Jose Bautista with inside stuff. I really want him to go down to AAA and work on finding himself independent of what the major league braintrust thinks he should be right now.

    Plus, I’d love to see Wang given the shot of redemption/comeback. I think he could be very inspiring if he can come up and do the job.

    I loved what Nova was as a rookie, but with the exception of the month of June last season, I haven’t seen that pitcher on the mound. He does miss spots a lot and creates his own troubles with either what is nibbling at the plate or just bad control. I think he’s nibbling and his confidence is shot and it’s going to be a tough thing to rebuild at this level when our pitchers have to throw quality starts night in night out to keep the game close.

  51. jmills April 26th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    I’m glad I got through the majority of my bean salad prior to finding out Laffey is commencing tonight. Oh well, one truly never knows.

  52. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Ghost,

    He is doing pretty well (Yu)… But the risk was worth the upside, same goes with Cespedes… And at the same time you get the team to be younger

  53. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    86,

    …But still, why add more age to an already very old team?

    ====

    To avoid making long-term commitments to older players, when there are several exciting young players in the farm that may pay dividends.

  54. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    “Taking a chance that Wells might have some juice left at $14 milliion is riskier than committing 100 million–$paying $50 million of it up front, mind you– on a guy with no experience in the major leagues? Interesting idea of what constitutes risk.”

    It’s not just risk in a vacuum, it’s risk-reward. Viewed in that context, Darvish (with about half the money being tax-free, so to speak) offered a much better risk-reward calculus than Wells, especially for a team that believes that pitching holds the keys to the kingdom, but frankly, even one built on offense, because Darvish was out of the injury matrix years and had/has at least four plus pitches that he can command.

    I think that holds no matter what Wells does, given 4 out of his last 6 seasons, since I view roster construction about having a sound, forward looking plan, and not about one-year quick fixes.

    So I hope Wells continues to play well, but it’s still really early. Look at John Buck and his 146 OPS+.

  55. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Ghost,

    He is doing pretty well (Yu)… But the risk was worth the upside, same goes with Cespedes… And at the same time you get the team to be younger

    —-

    It remains to be seen if Darvish was worth the risk. They made a huge bet on Darvish up front. So far, they’ve paid about $56 million for a somewhat-better-than-average pitcher. With that kind of a down payment, the Rangers will need more than just one or two good years out of him to make the deal worth their investment.

  56. blake April 26th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    “Hal often stated he thought that the Yanks should be able to compete @ $ 189 but that getting the payroll down would not be done at the expense of being competitive.”

    The rub there is that they have passed on a few players that would have both helped them be competitive long term and helped them get the payroll down…..

    .essentially what the Yanks have done the last couple of offseasons has been to keep money off the long term books…..but they have also not solved any long term problems either. Maybe the farm system can do that….but that’s risky business for a team that wants to win every year

  57. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    86,

    …But still, why add more age to an already very old team?

    ====

    To avoid making long-term commitments to older players, when there are several exciting young players in the farm that may pay dividends.

    =========================

    I understand that pretty well if you want to stay below the cap… But if you don’t, why not sign the kind of players Rich is mentioning?.. They were young with lots of upside and they don’t block most of our high ceiling prospects… That’s why it doesn’t makes sense to me

  58. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Darvish ERA+

    2012: 115
    2013: 269 (it only matters because we are attaching significance to Wells’ April to date)

    For a quick and dirty measure of value, Fangraphs has Darvish supplying $30.6m. That’s already 55% of the taxable amount that Texas paid him.

  59. blake April 26th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    The Yankees should have signed Yu Darvish….they should have signed Cespedes….they should have signed Soler ….and they should have kept Montero.

    Had they done those 4 things they would have had 4 pieces rather cheaply for the future to either use or trade etc…..instead they really did nothing beyond 2013…..and that keeps money available sure but also nothing is solved…..so it’s a double edged sword.

    I believe the Yanks wanted to keep payroll available hoping to land one of Felix, Verlander , Kershaw , or Andrus…..well that’s already a bust because 3 have already signed and Kershaw will……

  60. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Hi Luis! I think Nova will improve as he gains more comfort with the delivery. Think we should re-sign Hughes depending on cost. Don’t think lowering the budget precludes getting younger; one year dumpster diving is a choice the Yankees make, rather than being more creative. Adding one year past their prime vets as complementary pieces I am on board with, but as mainstays, not so much. Who couldn’t predict that Youk would be down for the count? …

    I am momentarily off to check our our future: heading to Trenton to see Turley (vs. Matt Barnes) and the prospective future NYY OF.

  61. 86w183 April 26th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    I love the assumption that every one of these players would have signed with the Yankees when we don’t know that all. From the reports I’ve read the Yanks did make offers on Cespedes and Puig, but I have no idea what they were. I was in favor of making that effort, but none of us knows the particulars.

    I’d love it if the Yanks had Darvish, Cespedes, Chatman and Puig, but you can’t have everything. they still spend more money than anyone else, which is why I’ve always rejected the notion that Hal is some sort of Scrooge. He even delayed most of the cash from the Angels in the Wells deal to help with payroll flexibility next year.

    Unless three young pitchers some thru and at least one OF can make it they can’t get to $ 189 and be competitive next year in my opinion.

  62. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Although we would all like to see their current crop of prospects pan out, that will likely require patience and a willingness to endure a learning curve, something that they have been very reluctant to do, by in large.

    The added benefit of Darvish and Cespedes is that they are older, more mature players, who were likely to have required far less patience, making them a much better fit for their business model apart from the economic rationale.

  63. blake April 26th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    “I love the assumption that every one of these players would have signed with the Yankees when we don’t know that all. From the reports I’ve read the Yanks did make offers on Cespedes and Puig, but I have no idea what they were. I was in favor of making that effort, but none of us knows the particulars.”

    With regards to Darvish he would have had to if they won the bid….the others signed for the most money like every player does …..yanks werent in really on 3 of them from the reports ….making an offer doesn’t mean they were serious offers…. They offered less for Darvish than they did Igawa

  64. blake April 26th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Anyways….. If the yanks are willing to go over the limit now then item #1 is to sign Cano…..then Approach Hughes now about an affordable extension…..then you shop this winter like always for players…..you still hope the prospects pan out and can offset the payroll

  65. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    blake April 26th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
    The Yankees should have signed Yu Darvish….they should have signed Cespedes….they should have signed Soler ….and they should have kept Montero.

    Had they done those 4 things they would have had 4 pieces rather cheaply for the future to either use or trade etc…..instead they really did nothing beyond 2013…..and that keeps money available sure but also nothing is solved…..so it’s a double edged sword.

    I believe the Yanks wanted to keep payroll available hoping to land one of Felix, Verlander , Kershaw , or Andrus…..well that’s already a bust because 3 have already signed and Kershaw will……

    ===========================

    Ugh!!! Why do you have to make so much sense?!!

    Yu would have been a much better choice than Pineda ( risk related ), we would have kept Montero…We would have brought a long term option to the outfield ( Cespedes, Soler )… An increased depth to be able to make a choice and a better negotiating position in trades… And at the same time lowering the payroll long term.

    Why don’t you try to be a GM?

  66. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    Hi Luis! I think Nova will improve as he gains more comfort with the delivery. Think we should re-sign Hughes depending on cost. Don’t think lowering the budget precludes getting younger; one year dumpster diving is a choice the Yankees make, rather than being more creative. Adding one year past their prime vets as complementary pieces I am on board with, but as mainstays, not so much. Who couldn’t predict that Youk would be down for the count? …

    I am momentarily off to check our our future: heading to Trenton to see Turley (vs. Matt Barnes) and the prospective future NYY OF.

    ====================================

    I expect a full report! ;) Enjoy the game YF

    And yeah… You make too much sense as well ;)

  67. Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    I will believe that the $189m isn’t real when they contractually commit to going over, not before.

    ———————–

    Exactly. Ppl waving their hands saying see 189 was never going to happen. Why is that coming out now from Yankee sources when months ago sources also said they are going to get under 189 and that’s the goal?

  68. Duh Innings II April 26th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    2014 option may increase to $17M based on awards earned in 2011-13: $4M for AL MVP; $2M for 2nd-6th in MVP vote; $1.5M for Silver Slugger;

    ________

    I see it now. So the AAV is 14M but his 2014 salary counts as 14 M plus 1.5 for the silver slugger.

    But I shouldn’t let “Duh Innings” drag me into arguments over this phantom 189 figure.

    ———————————————————–

    Hey moron, Jeter’s 2014 salary is unknown since he’ll be a free agent who will either remain a Yankee via his $8M player’s option or a new one-year contract (as I doubt the Yanks will give him more than that) or sign elsewhere) which will include a $3M buyout. That was one point you obviously missed. The other point you obviously missed is the only guaranteed amounts of money he will make after this season is a $3M buyout or a $8M player’s option, and that you are talking out of your ass with $14M AAV as AAV means nothing and no matter who he plays for next year he will not make $14M, not even from the most desperate of desperate teams.

  69. 86w183 April 26th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    I would not have signed Ichiro. I would have made the Wells trade.

    the Yanks can’t sign everyone. Inking Darvish, Cespedes, Soler and Chatman would cost a total of $ 73 Million just in signing bonuses plus an additional $ 131 Million or so in payroll obligations.

  70. 86w183 April 26th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Gotta run…. have a day all !

  71. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
    Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    I will believe that the $189m isn’t real when they contractually commit to going over, not before.

    ———————–

    Exactly. Ppl waving their hands saying see 189 was never going to happen. Why is that coming out now from Yankee sources when months ago sources also said they are going to get under 189 and that’s the goal?

    ==============================

    To be honest, I don’t think they will stay under… Which makes all their recent moves mind boggling

  72. luis April 26th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    You too 86

  73. Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    If they don’t stay under that’s great but everything has a reason behind it.

  74. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Thanks, Luis. Will do. Keep the home fires burning for our boy Nova. I am hoping I don’t get blacked out on my phone.

  75. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    If they don’t stay under that’s great but everything has a reason behind it.

    =========================

    Revenues stream drying up as a result of the self imposed cap?

  76. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Have a good day, all.

  77. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Badler chat just started: http://www.baseballamerica.com.....en-badler/

  78. Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    If they don’t stay under that’s great but everything has a reason behind it.

    =========================

    Revenues stream drying up as a result of the self imposed cap?

    ———————-

    Maybe.

    I think they honestly are surprised that the 189 plan wasn’t received well by the fan base. Despite what was said it wasn’t just debated on this blog.

  79. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    I hope you don’t get black out… Don’t worry I will keep the fire ;)

    Are you going with our mutual friend?

  80. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Are we making contingency plans to transition from being angry about the Yanks going under $189 million to being angry about the moves they made and didn’t make when we thought they were definitely going under $189 million with a dollop of disapproval for not sticking to the plan we didn’t like?

  81. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    have a good one YF

  82. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Marshall
    Turley
    Mitchell
    TBD in Charleston

    going tonight on the farm :)

  83. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    If they don’t stay under that’s great but everything has a reason behind it.

    =========================

    Revenues stream drying up as a result of the self imposed cap?

    ———————-

    Maybe.

    I think they honestly are surprised that the 189 plan wasn’t received well by the fan base. Despite what was said it wasn’t just debated on this blog.

    ===========================

    I don’t really mind the plan of going under 189 if that means getting younger and building a core from within. But I would mind if they don’t stick to it and then trade every single prospect for more vets and start signing FA’s with most of their prime years already gone. This I would hate

  84. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Are we making contingency plans to transition from being angry about the Yanks going under $189 million to being angry about the moves they made and didn’t make when we thought they were definitely going under $189 million with a dollop of disapproval for not sticking to the plan we didn’t like?

    —————–

    I think it’s the shortsightedness of implementing the plan at a juncture when the team was ill prepared for it that’s resonating. We’re all more than happy if these reports are true and the budget isn’t going to be the main focus… in fact, we’re all tooling around our brains thinking of what this might mean for some mid season splash.

  85. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Are we making contingency plans to transition from being angry about the Yanks going under $189 million to being angry about the moves they made and didn’t make when we thought they were definitely going under $189 million with a dollop of disapproval for not sticking to the plan we didn’t like?
    _

    Nope, nothing has changed. Cespedes, Darvish, etc. made sense no matter what their plan is.

    The primary point is to make smart decisions that include the mid- to long-term.

    That is what has been missing.

  86. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
    Are we making contingency plans to transition from being angry about the Yanks going under $189 million to being angry about the moves they made and didn’t make when we thought they were definitely going under $189 million with a dollop of disapproval for not sticking to the plan we didn’t like?
    _

    Nope, nothing has changed. Cespedes, Darvish, etc. made sense no matter what their plan is.

    The primary point is to make smart decisions that include the mid- to long-term.

    That is what has been missing.

    ====================================

    This

  87. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    The problem that crops up with the Yankees is that they’re into the name recognition mantra.

    I think this is geared to the moat crowd. Thus you have the stupidity of a two year Ichiro signing, Youkilis and other so called established players. They’re selling the Yankee experience to the High Rollers schmoozing customers at a thousand dollars a pop.

    This puts even more pressure on the people running the team. Then there is the monthly on again off again budget constraint. You have things like Cashman sitting in winter meetings and having to ask permission to spend a dollar. Things like signing Beltran and trading Swisher or this year, going all out for Hunter and trading Granderson didn’t seem to be considered.

  88. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Are we making contingency plans to transition from being angry about the Yanks going under $189 million to being angry about the moves they made and didn’t make when we thought they were definitely going under $189 million with a dollop of disapproval for not sticking to the plan we didn’t like?

    —————–

    I think it’s the shortsightedness of implementing the plan at a juncture when the team was ill prepared for it that’s resonating. We’re all more than happy if these reports are true and the budget isn’t going to be the main focus… in fact, we’re all tooling around our brains thinking of what this might mean for some mid season splash

    =============================

    Shame,

    I wouldn’t mind the implementation of the plan, if they are recognizing and identifying where they made the mistakes that lead to this juncture… But so far, their moves have been shortsighted in that regard and in truth some moves are in direct conflict of that goal ( Ichiro’s or even Youk’s contract for example, the first one because it takes some needed payroll space for 2014 and thus prevents the signing of more significant players, the latter because you are posponing the rebuilding ). If you are going to go to a cap, then you better start to get younger fast.

  89. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    That is what has been missing.

    All the one year dumpster diving we’ve done over the past few season has realluy precluded us giving any kids a chance to see what they could do. It has kept us an elite team and has covered the fact that we do not have a good farm system towards the top. Much like the housing crisis, this is going to go bust at some point.

  90. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I really think Ichiro will be fine, if we had someone Major League ready, I’d have a problem with the signing. Also, Gardiner just doesn’t give you a comfort level at leadoff and in center. That siad, I still like the guy.

  91. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    That is what has been missing.

    All the one year dumpster diving we’ve done over the past few season has realluy precluded us giving any kids a chance to see what they could do. It has kept us an elite team and has covered the fact that we do not have a good farm system towards the top. Much like the housing crisis, this is going to go bust at some point.

    ================================

    THIS!!!!

  92. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “I think it’s the shortsightedness of implementing the plan at a juncture when the team was ill prepared for it that’s resonating.”

    Are they still shortsighted for implementing the plan if they don’t actually implement the plan? Or do you mean shortsighted for having even considered such a plan?

    The timing of the potential implementation of the plan was driven by the new set of carrots and sticks in the new CBA, no? It’s not like they woke up one morning, stared at their framed copy of Arod’s contract and said “hey, let’s lower the rest of the payroll by a lot!”

    And I do understand the “they’re still poopyheads if they passed on INTERNATIONAL FREE AGENT X because they wanted to get under the cap in 2014 even if they don’t end up doing it” argument, but I’d like some more information about those choices before assuming the worst.

    “Nope, nothing has changed.”

    Jarvis begs to differ:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvpEOFy8oQg

  93. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    I really think Ichiro will be fine, if we had someone Major League ready, I’d have a problem with the signing. Also, Gardiner just doesn’t give you a comfort level at leadoff and in center. That siad, I still like the guy.

    =============================

    Joe,

    You have a kid named Flores that his bat is as ready as it can be ( since the winter by the way ) and never got a real look in ST… He is killing it in AA… Ichiro is a complimentary player at this point in time, you don’t spend that kind of money on a complimentary player that on top of all has very little patience at the plate.

    I give you that Gardner is a place holder for either Williams or Hetahcott… But he is no 4th outfielder either… The moment he starts to get expensive that’s the moment you move him… But for the time being, he is a very good CF, fast and a good and patient hitter. I take him over Ichiro 8 days a week. And over Granderson too.

  94. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    I’ve been yapping about this for some time. When every other team is going over budget drafting and the Yankees whole budget was the Castellanos contract, it’s pretty tough to fill holes three years down the road. By the way, I think Castellanos was a 3B, now playing the OF in AAA, because he’s blocked. Gee, talk about an option

    How about that.

  95. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    I think the Yankees took Culver instead of Castellanos because of budget constraints.

  96. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Respectfully disagree on Gardniner. Another issue is that when he does get on, he doesn’t steal; or more accurately it takes him 5-6 pitches to go which causes whomever is batting behind him to often get behind in counts. He also uppercuts pitches putting way too many in the air no not enough power. When he is at his best, he is slashing and chopping the ball.

  97. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I don’t know why they took Culver instead of Castellanos but I’ve read various pop psychology theories on here (“Cashman wants to be be the smartest guy in the room”) that fail to convince. I would not attempt to spin cheaping out on the draft or on IFAs as a smart move, however.

  98. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    I think the Yankees took Culver instead of Castellanos because of budget constraints.

    ===============================

    It sure like it… :(

  99. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    No argument there Joe

  100. luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    It sure looks like it i meant Bo

  101. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    “Are they still shortsighted for implementing the plan if they don’t actually implement the plan? Or do you mean shortsighted for having even considered such a plan?”

    Word games can’t obscure the fact that low hanging fruit was available for what they have in great supply, money, and not only would that fruit have cost them just money, it would have saved them money over time, but alas, they chose to let others with less money grab the fruit.

    What their ultimate plan is does not factor in this narrative.

  102. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “I think it’s the shortsightedness of implementing the plan at a juncture when the team was ill prepared for it that’s resonating.”

    Are they still shortsighted for implementing the plan if they don’t actually implement the plan? Or do you mean shortsighted for having even considered such a plan?

    ————————–

    I don’t understand this.. Them not achieving the ultimate goal of their plan doesn’t mean the plan was never in action. This has been a team operating under a different set of rules over the past couple of off seasons, as you point out, because of the new CBA. I’m glad they reportedly come to their senses and realize the risks outweigh the benefits of the budget at this juncture. I’ve never had a problem with the idea of a stricter budget, I’ve just had a problem with the time frame (one that seemed unrealistic to me) from the beginning because of the current contracts. Getting under X dollars by X year isn’t a shortsighted plan on it’s own… it was shortsighted in 2011 when they have huge contracts on the books for 5+ years beyond that point. But since 2011, they’ve been working towards what many thought were an unattainable goal and it certainly has had an impact on the team itself and the personnel.

    I don’t get how, after having it be repeated to me that they do have a plan and it just isn’t one I like, that now this plan never existed simply because they didn’t meet a goal (which is still not 100% accurate, as we don’t know exactly what the future holds – maybe they do still get under). And that’s not directed at you Nick, just a general thought.

  103. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    It would be in full keeping with the Steinbrenner tradition to spend lavishly in some places and cheap out inexplicably and self-defeatedly in others. Hopefully the current regime will outgrow that habit.

  104. luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Word games can’t obscure the fact that low hanging fruit was available for what they have in great supply, money, and not only would that fruit have cost them just money, it would have saved them money over time, but alas, they chose to let others with less money grab the fruit.

    What their ultimate plan is does not factor in this narrative.

    ============================

    Good post

  105. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    What their ultimate plan is does not factor in this narrative.

    —————–

    It ultimately comes down to what a major topic of discussion has been which is that whatever plans exist for the org, they’re kinda loosey goosey (what up, Arod!!). It doesn’t inspire confidence to see so much back and forth.

    I think it’s being driven by disagreements within the FO just based on the information we do have (Cash trying to get under a budget, Levine trying to buy Soriano lol). Whatever is going on, they gotta pick a lane because every off season they move forward trying to put together a patchwork collection of players they’re missing out on opportunities that could be more advantageous.

  106. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Culver signed slot, 950 thou, Castellanos picked in the supplementary round was considered a tough sign, signed for 3.45 mil. Culver was considered a reach, Castellanos a coup. Three years later, Castellanos is in AAA, Culver is struggling in A ball. Mason Williams in the fourth round signed for 1.45 mil. Oppie and the boys didn’t have the budget to go after Castellanos. He said so on an interview, back then.

    http://www.baseballfactory.com.....astellanos

  107. luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Whatever is going on, they gotta pick a lane because every off season they move forward trying to put together a patchwork collection of players they’re missing out on opportunities that could be more advantageous mid and long term… There fix it :D

  108. Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    luis April 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    If they don’t stay under that’s great but everything has a reason behind it.

    =========================

    Revenues stream drying up as a result of the self imposed cap?

    ———————-

    Maybe.

    I think they honestly are surprised that the 189 plan wasn’t received well by the fan base. Despite what was said it wasn’t just debated on this blog.

    ===========================

    I don’t really mind the plan of going under 189 if that means getting younger and building a core from within. But I would mind if they don’t stick to it and then trade every single prospect for more vets and start signing FA’s with most of their prime years already gone. This I would hate

    ———————-

    I don’t think they are going to do that. They need at least some of these kids to come through and produce.

  109. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    glenn (New Jersey): When do you Rafael Depaula gets moved to High A ? Whats his ETA for the bronx?

    Ben Badler: He should be in Double-A by the end of the year if he’s healthy. Durability’s my main concern with him, but if everything’s clean he could be in the big leagues next year.

    :)

  110. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Hmmm (Long Island): Do you think Gary Sanchez can stick behind the plate? Do you see the Yankees holding on to him?

    Ben Badler: He could, but the defense would just be passable at best. Given the team’s history, I wouldn’t be surprised if they traded him in the next couple of years though.

    :(

  111. luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Carly April 26th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    glenn (New Jersey): When do you Rafael Depaula gets moved to High A ? Whats his ETA for the bronx?

    Ben Badler: He should be in Double-A by the end of the year if he’s healthy. Durability’s my main concern with him, but if everything’s clean he could be in the big leagues next year.

    ===============================

    WOW!! just wow!!

  112. luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Carly April 26th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Hmmm (Long Island): Do you think Gary Sanchez can stick behind the plate? Do you see the Yankees holding on to him?

    Ben Badler: He could, but the defense would just be passable at best. Given the team’s history, I wouldn’t be surprised if they traded him in the next couple of years though.

    ===============================

    Sanchez for Matt Garza???that seems to be the MO

  113. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Whomever mention the moat before was onto something. If you’ll indulge me, I go to the Stadium every Sunday and the tickets run about $85, not bad for the “new” stadium but ridiculous for almost any other ballpark. When you get there it is sell, sell, sell. From the steakhouse, to stupid sushi bars to merchandise. But most of all, the Yankees sell the brand. It’s Whitey Ford morphing into CC, Gehrig into Jeter, Mattingly into Teixeira. This is the come on when you are selling tickets at these prices and also using the seats at field level to charge $800 to dispassionate dbags who think its fashionable to be there and not even follow the game or cheer. So, bringing up a kid and sitting through their growing pains is not an option because if the team has an off season, it’s economic armaggedon for them. I mean, people in the stands kill a kid like Nunez who is still refining his game. No one can tolerate losing or rebuilding, I mean their the Yanks, right? So the moves they make are shortsighted to support the fact that we are a winning team at any given moment and to keep revenue flow since no one is paying these prices to watch a second division team. Not a way to build for the future.

  114. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    “I don’t get how, after having it be repeated to me that they do have a plan and it just isn’t one I like, that now this plan never existed simply because they didn’t meet a goal (which is still not 100% accurate, as we don’t know exactly what the future holds – maybe they do still get under).”

    If someone told you that the goal to get under the cap never existed, that person is being silly. Maybe he’s trying to boggle your mind. Has someone said that? I disagree with that person. Who is it?

    Again, I understand that if they took certain steps along the path to the plan even if they don’t end up implementing the plan, we’re allowed to say “bad steps! dumb steps!” and perhaps be right, but it also matters what they actually do in 2014. Kind of like the bet between Kramer and Jerry about the levels. “But that’s the bet! The levels. The levels!!!”

    They can field a team of 25 players in 2014 and stay under the cap for the entire year. They can also field a team of 25 players in 2014 and NOT stay under the cap for the entire year (or for any of the year). There would probably be some kind of difference between those two hypothetical teams. And that difference on the field is what will have changed if they don’t go under the cap.

  115. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Kind of like the bet between Kramer and Jerry about the levels. “But that’s the bet! The levels. The levels!!!”

    ************

    Excellent!

  116. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    The question of why there arent fans in the stands is a very easy answer.
    Fans support the team but aren’t invested when they bring Wells, Overbay, Hafner etc….
    Yankee fans will pay to go to watch people they are invested in.

    If you brought up Adams, Flores, Heathcott, Romine, etc…. there would be more fans in the stands regardless of whether we were 12-9 or 9-12.

  117. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    joecembrale

    Thank you

    Puts a here and now reality check, on the way the team is run.

    I lived through the Big George years, I don’t know if I’ll manage through the Milking Machine years.

  118. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    Carly April 26th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Hmmm (Long Island): Do you think Gary Sanchez can stick behind the plate? Do you see the Yankees holding on to him?

    Ben Badler: He could, but the defense would just be passable at best. Given the team’s history, I wouldn’t be surprised if they traded him in the next couple of years though.

    ===============================

    We won a lot with Posada.

  119. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    “Word games can’t obscure the fact that low hanging fruit was available for what they have in great supply, money, and not only would that fruit have cost them just money, it would have saved them money over time, but alas, they chose to let others with less money grab the fruit.”

    Rich, it’s not a word game to say that NOT implementing the plan is different from implementing it. And Shame is correct to point out that one Jeff Passan article does not settle the question of what they’ll actually do in 2014.

    I do understand what you’re saying, that passing on INTERNATIONAL FREE AGENT X was a mistake regardless of what they do with the payroll in 2014.

    It would be far more accurate to say that nothing had changed your opinion of them rather than nothing had changed period if they end up going over the cap.

  120. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Yeah i agree about the catcher. Posada was not good defensively and we won a lot. Girardi was a defensive catcher so thats why he says it.

  121. luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
    joecembrale

    Thank you

    Puts a here and now reality check, on the way the team is run.

    I lived through the Big George years, I don’t know if I’ll manage through the Milking Machine years.

    ===============================

    Both posts right on the money… The problem with the “Milking Machine” is that eventually they won’t have a product to sale, other than a great ” PAST”

  122. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Re: Sanchez that should maybe say, ‘given the team’s RECENT history, I wouldn’t be surprised if they traded him.”

    Nick – It seems in the last thread there are people that feel very strongly $189 was only on the table in the minds of those that frequent LoHud lol.

  123. luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
    luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    Carly April 26th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Hmmm (Long Island): Do you think Gary Sanchez can stick behind the plate? Do you see the Yankees holding on to him?

    Ben Badler: He could, but the defense would just be passable at best. Given the team’s history, I wouldn’t be surprised if they traded him in the next couple of years though.

    ===============================

    We won a lot with Posada.

    ===============================

    Yup..But they like their ” Russell Munson Martin” kind of players

  124. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    I and fully respect the idea that they started to try something, realized it might not work, and are (maybe) trying to back peddle. But we.. people with no insider information, knowledge, baseball smarts, etc, have thought this would not work starting in 2011. This makes me sad in general.

    I don’t actually want random people that comment on a blog to be right more often than the FO. I really, really don’t.

  125. joecembrale April 26th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    189M was also put on the table when we thought we would still be outspending everyone and before the Dodgers lost their minds and will buy any player at any time.

  126. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Did you see that Chad says he is impressed with us, btw?

    Chad – I know you really mean impressed with me and my persistence… but it was nice to throw a bone to everyone else on the blog as well!

  127. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    I have spent most of my professional life fighting the short sighted, quarterly profit motivated suits.

    Detroit producing projected breakdowns within a timeframe. Reefer truck companies that sell equipment geared to break down, warranty plus three months. Refrigerators with installed compressors that are half the size of the previous ones. Companies switching their riding lawn mower motors from top end to also ran. I could go on but it’s disheartening.

  128. Tabbert April 26th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    It’s very early, but Gary Sanchez is absolutely beasting right now.

    .292/.373/.528, 4 Homers, 15 Rbi’s, Good enough for a wRC+ 156. His walks are up, and his strikeouts are down.

  129. blake April 26th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    “Why don’t you try to be a GM?”

    Very nice of you to say Luis but is get fired by lunch of my first day for spending too much money

  130. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    “But we.. people with no insider information, knowledge, baseball smarts, etc, have thought this would not work starting in 2011…. I don’t actually want random people that comment on a blog to be right more often than the FO. I really, really don’t.”

    I might not know anything more than you and in some cases I know less, but I’ve said all along that I would not be surprised if they end up abandoning the under-$189-million-in-2014 goal, and “all along” means before the adjusted rebate numbers came out. So if it plays out the way Passan suggests, does that make me right and the FO wrong?

    No, not really. It just means that they ended up deciding it wasn’t worth it, which is what I thought would happen. And which I could still be wrong about.

  131. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Meanwhile, could the FO throw us a small concession and DFA Francisco and let a pitcher be the RH DH?

  132. luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
    I have spent most of my professional life fighting the short sighted, quarterly profit motivated suits.

    Detroit producing projected breakdowns within a timeframe. Reefer truck companies that sell equipment geared to break down, warranty plus three months. Refrigerators with installed compressors that are half the size of the previous ones. Companies switching their riding lawn mower motors from top end to also ran. I could go on but it’s disheartening.

    =======================================

    This…

    I was once sitting on a board of a very large company… they were declaring profits with an official exchange that was about to be devaluated.. I told them that they should wait, since those profits at that exchange rate were not real… The president told me: ” I don’t care, I am going to get my bonus, let the next guy take care of that problem”…I quit that very same day to that board.

  133. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Nick – All I’m saying is it disproves the theory that they operate ‘smarter’ than we do, even if we do have less information.

    Think about that: We knowingly have less information and still made more accurate predictions than they could about the state of the organization at this juncture. That includes you too, buddy, so pat yourself on the back!

  134. luis April 26th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    blake April 26th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    “Why don’t you try to be a GM?”

    Very nice of you to say Luis but is get fired by lunch of my first day for spending too much money

    =============================

    LMAO!!!

  135. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Where are they keeping these Reefer trucks? ;)

  136. blake April 26th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Tabbert says:
    April 26, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    It’s very early, but Gary Sanchez is absolutely beasting right now.

    .292/.373/.528, 4 Homers, 15 Rbi’s, Good enough for a wRC+ 156. His walks are up, and his strikeouts are down.

    Awesome

  137. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Where are they keeping these Reefer trucks? ;)

    ——————

    DENVER!!

  138. Against All Odds April 26th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Nick – It seems in the last thread there are people that feel very strongly $189 was only on the table in the minds of those that frequent LoHud lol.

    ———————-

    Yep it was started on this blog and only discussed here

  139. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Meanwhile, could the FO throw us a small concession and DFA Francisco and let a pitcher be the RH DH?

    ———————

    CC bats LH, correct? (My cousin would throw lefty and bat righty… he’s weird.)

  140. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Hmmm (Long Island): Who will be the better MLB player: Slade Heathcott, Mason Williams, Tyler Austin?

    Ben Badler: Mason Williams.

  141. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    DENVER!!
    _

    I have been thinking about how nice Denver is this time of year, or under the right “conditions,” any time of year…

  142. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    TPX2 (Taiwan): What are your thoughts on Masahiro Tanaka in MLB?

    Ben Badler: He’s a potential No. 2 starter from the stuff I saw in person in the WBC and from talking to scouts who’ve seen him more frequently in the past. The fastball’s more hittable than you’d think just from looking at the radar gun because it comes in on a flatter plane, but he’s got a couple of plus or better secondary pitches, so he’s got the stuff to put away hitters at the big league level.

  143. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Meanwhile, could the FO throw us a small concession and DFA Francisco and let a pitcher be the RH DH?

    Personally, I would like for it to be fan appreciation night each time there is a lefty, each night or maybe each AB a new fan gets to bat for Francisco

  144. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    JRam is piggybacking Turley tonight in Trenton. #serendipity!:)

  145. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    In a similar vein

    I’m a coffee afficionado. A big Canadian company had pretty good coffee without going overboard on beans, grinding etc. Good stuff. So one day they changed the can from 1 Kg to 2 lbs, a difference of .2 lbs and dropped the quality of the coffee but the price remained the same.

    I rebelled, I won’t be a part of this cynical grab play. We now buy beans, grind every morning etc. I fill a carafe for the credenza. The doofooses still come in with the portable containers of brand coffee. The plebes still herd up.

  146. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    “Nick – All I’m saying is it disproves the theory that they operate ‘smarter’ than we do, even if we do have less information.”

    Judging by the mass proliferation of circular QFTs, +1s, and This.’s, there is a definite assumption here that “we” are smarter than “them” and in some cases it’s hard to disagree.

    “Nick – It seems in the last thread there are people that feel very strongly $189 was only on the table in the minds of those that frequent LoHud lol.”

    Sorry, missed that the first time around. If you’re talking about “Jesus Bustero”… well, that’s fine for him, but come on.

  147. Russell Munson April 26th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    If the Yankees bid more for Masahiro Tanaka than they did for Darvish, should we be happy or mad?

  148. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Where are they keeping these Reefer trucks?
    —————-
    Ahah, Someone led a slightly misspent youth.

    Threw it out there as bait, just for a possible nibble. Worked

  149. Russell Munson April 26th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Francisco 9th!

    1. Brett Gardner (L) CF
    2. Jayson Nix (R) 3B
    3. Robinson Cano (L) 2B
    4. Vernon Wells (R) LF
    5. Francisco Cervelli (R) C
    6. Ichiro Suzuki (L) RF
    7. Eduardo Nunez (R) SS
    8. Lyle Overbay (L) 1B
    9. Ben Francisco (R) DH

  150. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    yankeefeminista

    Thanks for the info. Woohoo.

  151. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “Personally, I would like for it to be fan appreciation night each time there is a lefty, each night or maybe each AB a new fan gets to bat for Francisco”

    A fan hitting derby???

    And if they get a hit, maybe Hal would consider letting them sit in one of those empty super-expensive seats for a game. It’s a worthy prize, and has the added benefit of making ticket prices look slightly less unreasonable.

  152. Rich in NJ April 26th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “Ahah, Someone led a slightly misspent youth.”

    Slightly? My late mother only wishes. :P

  153. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Yes, but Jayson Nix replacing Francisco in the 2 hole is still no Laffey matter. :oops:

  154. blake April 26th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    DENVER!!
    _

    I have been thinking about how nice Denver is this time of year, or under the right “conditions,” any time of year…”

    I spent 6 weeks there once and seriously considered moving there and still might one day…..Colorado in general is pretty awesome

  155. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    And if they get a hit, maybe Hal would consider letting them sit in one of those empty super-expensive seats for a game. It’s a worthy prize, and has the added benefit of making ticket prices look slightly less unreasonable.

    ——————–

    Hal would still make them sit behind the moat lol.

    I graduated in Yankee Stadium. Twice. No one was allowed to sit in front of the moat!

  156. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Colorado seems like a great place to visit. I have a whole list: California, Colorado, Alaska, DC, Delaware, Canada… :D

  157. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    1. Brett Gardner (L) CF
    2. Jayson Nix (R) 3B
    3. Robinson Cano (L) 2B
    4. Vernon Wells (R) LF
    5. Francisco Cervelli (R) C
    6. Ichiro Suzuki (L) RF
    7. Eduardo Nunez (R) SS
    8. Lyle Overbay (L) 1B
    9. Ben Francisco (R) DH
    ____

    Don’t they think it is time to DFA Ben F and DL Youkilis and get us some offensive help?
    Overbay has looked beyond awful the last week against the lefties and good righties.
    Francisco…. well.

  158. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Bo, you bet, and a few more of those woo hoo’s are in order! :)

  159. Nick in SF April 26th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    When I was a lad, NYU had its graduation in my backyard. I wonder when/why they switched to Yankee Stadium, or was what I was seeing not the real big graduation. Hmmmm.

  160. blake April 26th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    @jnorris427: Ramirez will debut tonight as a reliever following Nik Turley.

    Hope this is just a get your sea legs outing before his first start

  161. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    I’m pretty sure I’m still misspending my youth… #sads.

    This is great, btw, and relevant to the discussion (kids playing pranks on their parents involving the suggestion of drug use): http://gawker.com/comedian-get.....-481112990

  162. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 1m

    DL decision on Youkilis will come Saturday, Girardi said.

    ___

    And not a moment too soon.

    But since they aren’t 60 daying Youk, we probably won’t see Adams.
    UNLESS….. have they put Jeter on the 60 day yet?

  163. joeman April 26th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    the stiff is out of the lineup again…

  164. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Nick – The rich kids that go here felt Washington Square Park was too sketchy for their drunken midnight wanderings so NYU pushed the city to do construction on it. The construction was supposed to be done in 2009. No dice. They’ve been doing it at the Stadium every year since construction began and now that they’ve expanded to buy the Brooklyn Polytech school, there’s not enough room for all of the graduates and their families in the park anyway.

    There was talk of them doing it at CitiField in the early days.. I would have transferred if those assholes made me graduate in Queens.

  165. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    So guesses on which pointless scrub we bring up to replace Youkilis, while worthwhile talent wastes away?

  166. joeman April 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    I wished they spent their money on somebody else and let one of the kids play 3rd base…what a waste

  167. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    UNLESS….. have they put Jeter on the 60 day yet?

    ——————

    Nope, don’t think so.

  168. joeman April 26th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    So guesses on which pointless scrub we bring up to replace Youkilis, while worthwhile talent wastes away?

    ———————————-
    glad you didn’t shorten his name…

  169. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    I didn’t say it 189 was only in the minds of fans. I said it was only in the minds of fans a certainty that the figure dictated the Yankees every move and non move.

    That is a total hallucination.

    For all you know or I know with 100% certainty that mere leaking of that figure was an excuse to beat down demands of other GM’s and agents.

    I’ve said that since all that hoopla we were able to dump a portion of AJ’s deal, add Ichiro with Mariners paying money and add Wells with the Angels paying money.

    It’s not my fault some don’t recognize the possibility of posturing as a negotiation tactic in business.

  170. joeman April 26th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    he missed 142 games in the last 3 years what were they thinking

  171. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    I am trying not to get my hopes up that we may finally get to see David Adams play since it seems Cashman has some grudge against him for holding up the Cliff Lee trade two years ago…. Why else punish a good when healthy hitter by keeping him in the minors, releasing him, putting him back in the minors while he hits way above .300 while we have roles we need filled and he covers both of them (IF and RH)

  172. yankeefeminista April 26th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Blake, it is. They are also piggybacking Campos to keep innings down to start.

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