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Yankees hopeful Jeter will be same guy he used to be

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 26, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter is confident that whenever he returns — which is expected to be sometime after the All-Star break — he will be the same player he was before he broke his left ankle twice. Joe Girardi and Brian Cashman want to think the quality will still be there when the healing process is over.

“I don’t think any of us are going to know until we get to that point,” Girardi said. “… He’s had a setback here and we have to deal with it. But hopefully we get him back and he’s the same player he was at the end of last year. …

“He hasn’t done anything in his career that would make me believe that he’s not going to be a good player when he comes back. Yeah, I know it’s nine months off, but players get four or five months off in the offseason and then come back and they’re fine.

“I don’t think the extra few months is necessarily going to hurt him. I don’t think he’s going to forget how to hit, forget how to do all the things he needs to do. I think some people will question how he’s going to move when he’s going to come back. That’s something that we hope won’t be a problem. We’re just going to have to wait and see.”

Cashman said: “Obviously Derek has never done anything but have success. So I would expect a successful player like we’ve always gotten from him. It’s hard to expect anything otherwise from a Hall of Famer like himself.”

Here’s the link to my story on Jeter believing he will come back as the same guy and not seeing the two fractures as a sign the end is near. Plus, here’s the link to my story on Hiroki Kuroda, Vernon Wells and Robinson Cano triple teaming to lead the Yankees past the Blue Jays last night.

How do you think Jeter will do when he returns at 39?

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195 Responses to “Yankees hopeful Jeter will be same guy he used to be”

  1. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Repost

    Not really sure why some of you want to lock up Hughes now? Unless you get a good deal I am not so sold on him. he still allows far too many fat pitches. While his last start was as good as he has pitched, the prior one (which had the same results), was not very good. he was very lucky and they just didn’t hit very hittable pitches. Nova has better stuff than Hughes, but Nova throws too many fat pitches as well. Both of these guys need to improve their control/command and consistency to get to the next level otherwise they are just a 4th /5th starter. I am not sure whether Nova will get it together as his windup is inconsistent, but he has a higher ceiling that Hughes does.

  2. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    We will see. Passan is right that they shouldn’t risk the brand for a few million bucks.

    ——————–

    Passan is just repeating everything we’ve been saying this off season… I hope he’s right about their intentions.

    I have no doubt about Jeter. Even if we don’t see much of him this year I know he’ll come back next year with a vengeance.

  3. MTU April 26th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    JMO but I think his range of motion will be smaller laterally.

    Hope I’m wrong.

  4. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Genius – I’m not sure they keep Hughes either.. even if they plan to break $189. It depends a lot (IMO) on what Andy and Kuroda plan to do next year. If both are willing to take one year deals again, the Yanks might consider that more valuable than committing more years to Hughes.

  5. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Repost

    I posted a long one before this game so please read the last two updates on the yanks. Thanks and enjoy
    http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

    For the folks that don’t read my blog, wasn’t it awesome to watch Rivera last night? That was vintage Mo with his pinpoint control and movement. Awesome to watch the Genius Maker

  6. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    I don’t believe the Yankees will pursue signing Hughes to an extension, and when he tests FA, he’ll probably want to return to Southern California to a park that suits his extremely high fly ball style. I believe he had only one groundout his last outing.

  7. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    I kind of agree Shame. I was a huge supporter of bringing back Kuroda; I really like him. Pettitte also really learned how to pitch in Houston. The issue is that at their ages (especially Andy, minor injuries can nag and stay with them for a much longer time period. I kind of feel Andy will hang it up but who knows. It would be special if the final pitch of this year was Rivera closing out the WS for the final out where Andy got the win…and they go off into the sunset

  8. MTU April 26th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Pineda is an X factor.

    As is Nova.

    If those 2 could be counted on the Yankees could certainly afford to let Hughes walk.

    But can they ?

    ;)

  9. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    If those 2 could be counted on the Yankees could certainly afford to let Hughes walk.
    __

    Yes. If Nova, Pineda etc don’t work out the Yankees will do what the Yankees do…. They will sign a few older vets to 1 year deals and hope that works out.

  10. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Hughes should not be a priority IMO.

  11. 4TrainNorth April 26th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I’ve slagged Cano on here for a perceived lack of hustle–what apologists would euphemistically call making it “look easy.” But boy, he sure made that bomb off Buerhrle look easy last night. Obviously, we can never expect Cano to play with O’Neill-like fire, but in situations like last night’s, I guess having a cool kind of confidence can pay off. And part of me thinks Cano might actually be able to produce moments like this for several years to come.

  12. MTU April 26th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    ac-

    I think this season should help answer those questions.

    That said, it’s awful risky betting your future on a guy like Pineda and/or Nova.

    Pineda is not likely to stay healthy over the long haul, and Nova has never shown that he can be consistent enough from season to season.

    As far as as bringing more retreads. I’m opposed in general.

    I’d like to see us build for the longhaul.

    ;)

  13. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Genius

    You want another lefty. Vidal Nuno deserves a shot.

  14. pat April 26th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Josh Johnson scratched with tricep tightness. Laffey gets the start for Jays tonight.

  15. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Free-agent year for JJ RT @jonmorosi: Josh Johnson scratched with right triceps tightness. Aaron Laffey will start for #BlueJays tonight
    __

    Damn. JJ has not had a good year and now we face ANOTHER lefty. UGH.
    They better play Hafner tonight anyway before he cools off.
    But i think we know now that Francisco will be back in the 2 hole. YAY!

  16. MTU April 26th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    And it’s too bad we really don’t get to find out what we have in Phelps as a starter.

    :(

  17. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Pineda is not likely to stay healthy over the long haul, and Nova has never shown that he can be consistent enough from season to season.
    ___

    MTU- Nova has only pitched for 2 full seasons. A lot of starters go through a 2nd year slump. I think Nov has what it takes to be a good pitcher. We saw it in the Detroit playoff series in 2011. I think they are just messing with him too much. Just let him go out and pitch without thinking too much…. I agree we have to wait on Pineda. Something in me hopes Wang gets a shot this year, shows he can still pitch and shows up in the 2014 rotation with CC. I also believe Phelps (if given the chance to start regularly) will be good. I want Joba also but we know that is never gonna happen.

  18. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    And it’s too bad we really don’t get to find out what we have in Phelps as a starter.
    __

    We will in 2014, but because of the back and forth in the pen, he will not be able to show his best and will be written off as a failed starter like Joba.

  19. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Unless some trades are made, and if Cano comes back, the Yankees starting positional spots are almost filled

    OF of Wells, Ichiro, and Gardner
    C-Cervelli
    1B-Tex
    2B-Cano
    SS-Jeter/Nunez
    3B-” I Don’t Know”
    DH- ARod/Jeter

  20. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Wow Josh Johnson crashed like Dontrelle Willis and Ubaldo Jimenez. It’s amazing how one day these pitchers are on top of the world, the next clinging to relevance.

    Pitching really is a dangerous long term investment so I can see why the Yankees want to go year-to-year with the likes of Pettitte and Kuroda while simultaneously grooming cost controlled arms like Pineda, Nova, Phelps, Nuno, Warren, Marshall, Banuelos, DePaula, Campos etc.

    Hughes is a goner.

  21. MTU April 26th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    ac-

    The jury is still out for me on Ivan. They are in final diliberations though.

    I always loved CMW but he’s only a bandaid at best right now.

    I don’t think the Yankees think all that much of Phelps. Think they see him like a Noesi-type.

    Are they right ? I’d like to find out if he’s more.

    ;)

  22. MTU April 26th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Time to walk the Mop.

    Later.

  23. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    ac1-

    Didn’t Nova lose to Scherzer in Yankee Stadium the 2nd game of the 2011 playoffs?

  24. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Trader here’s what I have on paper for 2014. What’s shown here equals 180 million. I’m not sure about the other expenses that could take it past 189. But there’s flexibility here. Not every player listed is an essential and there are a few wild cards such as Granderson could be used to bring in a third baseman prospect or a cost-controlled flame throwing reliever to take the place of one of the more expensive arms in the BP such as Joba who I have listed at a projected 7.5 million.

    Brett Gardner-CF (5) –Slade Heathcott
    Derek Jeter-DH (14)
    Robinson Cano-2B (25)
    Alex Rodriguez-3B (27.5)
    Mark Teixeira-1B (22.5)
    Vernon Wells-LF (2) – Ramon Flores
    Ichiro Suzuki-RF (6.5) – Tyler Austin
    Francisco Cervelli-C (1) – JR Murphy
    Eduardo Nunez-SS (.5)

    Bench (9)

    Nix-SS (.5)
    Austin Romine-C (.5)
    Brennan Boesch-OF (1.5)
    Michael Young-INF (6.5)

    CC Sabathia-lhp (23)
    Andy Pettitte-lhp (13)
    Michael Pineda-rhp (1.5)
    Ivan Nova-rhp (1.5)
    David Phelps-rhp (.5)

    David Robertson (8)
    Joba Chamberlain (7.5)
    Eric O’Flaherty (7)
    Rafael Perez (5)
    Dellin Betances (.5)
    Mark Montgomery (.5)
    Adam Warren (.5)

  25. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    By mid season they need to make a decision on Phelps that will consider 2014 more than 2013.

    They cannot let this kid only get 100 innings this year without knowing what their rotation will look like next year. I don’t think Phelps is the second coming but he’s shown poise and ability, and has potential to be a really nice #5 in 2014.

  26. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Didn’t Nova lose to Scherzer in Yankee Stadium the 2nd game of the 2011 playoffs?
    ___

    Didnt he come in on the rain game that CC started and they finished the next night?

  27. 86w183 April 26th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    When we talk about pitching options for this year and next might want to keep Chien-Ming Wang in that conversation.

    Wang had a second strong start for Scranton last night — 6 2/3, 1 ER.

    YT — I’m expecting Ichiro/Wells to share an OF spot rather than play every day. Adding an affordable OF with some pop has to be a priority, though it wont be easy.

    Depending on what happens with Pineda/Nova/Nuno/Phelps the Yanks might be able to dangle Hughes to a team with a big yard like San Diego, Colorado, La and SF.

  28. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Unless some trades are made, and if Cano comes back, the Yankees starting positional spots are almost filled

    OF of Wells, Ichiro, and Gardner
    C-Cervelli
    1B-Tex
    2B-Cano
    SS-Jeter/Nunez
    3B-” I Don’t Know”
    DH- ARod/Jeter

    ___

    Cervelli will back up Romine in 2014 is my guess.
    I will go out on a limb and say Ichiro will not be our RF in 2014.
    I also have my doubts on Gardner.

    I believe finally one of our kids will make it, either Heathcott, Flores or Austin. (I personally hope for all 3).

  29. NYYROC April 26th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Until they give Phelps a shot as SP, we’ll never know. But watching him, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibilty that he could be like Hellickson or Cobb. Similar repetoire and approach.

  30. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    David Robertson (8)
    Joba Chamberlain (7.5)
    Eric O’Flaherty (7)
    Rafael Perez (5)
    Dellin Betances (.5)
    Mark Montgomery (.5)
    Adam Warren (.5)
    ___

    I am going to say we have Cabral and maybe Rondon (lefties) in there since we know Joba will be gone.
    Also hoping Nuno gets a chance to start.

  31. 86w183 April 26th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    If Wang has another good start or two maybe they can call him up and send Warren down. It’s an absolute waste to have that kid as the 12th guy on the pitching staff. He should be in Scranton starting every fifth day.

  32. hardwired7 April 26th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “That was vintage Mo… awesome to watch.”

    Indeed it was.

    I hope that wasn’t Colby Rasmus’ favorite bat. That thing never stood a chance.

  33. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    New free agents I have are:

    O’Flaherty
    R. Perez
    Michael Young

    Impossible to predict trade additions can come through Granderson, Hughes or prospects.

  34. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    86w183 April 26th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    If Wang has another good start or two maybe they can call him up and send Warren down. It’s an absolute waste to have that kid as the 12th guy on the pitching staff. He should be in Scranton starting every fifth day.

    ————–

    If they don’t see Warren as a starter (which it doesn’t seem like they do) I’d make the case that it’d be more beneficial to send Phelps down in that scenario.

    I do think they call up Wang… I wonder how he’d respond to relief work.

  35. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Sources: The Yankees are almost certainly abandoning the plan to get their 2014 salary under $189M.
    ____

    YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  36. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Sj mentioned this to me this morning:

    @sportsJC16

    @dubnoxious Savings went from $56 million to under $18 because of teams spending more. Add in more media revenues, dynamic changed.

    Not sure how accurate the actual numbers he provides are, but JF has illustrated time and time again the that the savings the Yankees would retain would be marginal at best.

  37. Tackelberry April 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “Didn’t Nova lose to Scherzer in Yankee Stadium the 2nd game of the 2011 playoffs?”

    That was Freddy Garcia. Nova started and won game 1 of that series which was the night after the rainout

  38. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Yankees might end up with 4 high picks if they are able to make the offer sheet to Granderson, Youkilis and Hughes.

    If “Sources” are true and the 189M plan is truly abandoned then I would imagine they keep Granderson. He’s the one bat that can serve as a long term anchor in the OF while they slowly assimilate unproven prospects in the OF.

    Maybe they trade Gardner.

  39. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Awesome idea. Trade Gardner (Joeman will like that). Trade Hughes (many others can get behind that as well). Lock up Granderson.

  40. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    If they abandon i would be ok resigning grandy to a 3 year deal.

  41. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Maybe they trade Gardner.

    ———————-

    You’ll never let it go lol. I admire the dedication!

  42. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    If they abandon i would be ok resigning grandy to a 3 year deal.

    ————–

    Keeping Grandy would be more appealing if Ichiro wasn’t signed for next season.

  43. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    The Yanks will sign at least two free agents for their rotation in the offseason, regardless of what happens the rest of the year. The only questions are who are they, and how much will they cost. There is no way that Cashman will leave a majority of the rotation in the hands of unproven prospects in 2014. I suspect that Kuroda and Hughes are very good bets to be back next year, assuming they end the year reasonably well and injury-free. Moreoever, if Andy wants another year, I think Cashman will give it to him–he’d be crazy not to.

  44. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    JB

    Remember there is a projected 12M for all teams player benefits for their 40 man rosters so the threshold for AAV contracts will be more like 177M.

  45. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Keeping Grandy would be more appealing if Ichiro wasn’t signed for next season.
    ___

    Would just release him and eat the 6 mil.

    They had to believe he had a chance at 3000 hits but there is NO way that is happening in the next 2 years now.

  46. Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Saving a mere $18 million doesn’t seem worth the risk of fan alienation and losing money from a higher probability of not making the playoffs. Add in some inherent injury risk to players they are committed to, the question marks surrounding Jeter, Tex and Arod and the cost of having to sign replacement players, it wouldn’t end up being the prudent thing to do, I guess.

    I do think however they they should still make efforts to be smarter about the contract terms they commit to going forward. I still don’t think it’s a bad idea to try and lower the luxury tax they pay. Who likes paying taxes? And they should still try to incorporate more of their own players from their system.

  47. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    And this blog is the only place where the $189 threshold was ever a hard and fixed goal. Hal has been pretty clear about his intentions on this regard from the beginning.

  48. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Well I can see them bringing back Andy more than any others. He’s not aging (at least his game is not). And if I had to choose between Kuroda or Hughes? That’s a no brainer. And if I had to choose between Gardner and Granderson? Another no brainer. Wells and Ichiro could flank Grandy. Trade Gardner.

  49. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Doreen – I agree on cutting the budget and playing the young guys, but also there are spaces they need to fill and we need offense. Granderson may hit .240 but he is good for 30-40 homeruns and 80-100 rbis. Cano is automatic.

    The rest: A 3b (adams), release ichiro and trade gardner and let heathcott or austin play, let cervelli, romine and murphy battle for catcher.

    Montgomery, Nuno, Cabral, Phelps etc….

  50. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    I like Granderson alot– I really do–he seems like a good guy. However, I would let him walk at the end of the year, and I would trade him now if I could. If the Yanks do bring him back, I hope they don’t give him any more than three years.

  51. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    ac1 – The Yanks will never do that to a HOFer like Ichiro. I’m not saying I disagree.. but they won’t treat him that way in what will likely be his final season before retirement.

    Gardner isn’t an FA next year so it’s not a straight up matter of picking one or the other in terms of Gardner/Grandy.

  52. Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Ghostwriter,

    It was, to my mind, a fair goal if everything went to plan. The important thing, always, is to be able to reassess your plans and be willing to make adjustments.

  53. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Release Ichiro and eat $6 million, even though we don’t know if the guy can still play? That makes sense.

  54. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    ac1-

    You’re right
    Garcia pitched that 2nd game and lost

    http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=311002110

  55. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Easy formula

    Wells + Ichiro + ???

    You’ve got a crop of young OF on the way (Flores, Austin, Williams, Heathcott).

    Long term you won’t be able to realistically fill all 3 OF spots with them.

    Could you look to only fill 2 though instead long term?

    I’d rather only have to fill 2 long term than 3.

    So Grandy.

    Give me Grandy.

  56. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    And this blog is the only place where the $189 threshold was ever a hard and fixed goal.

    ——————-

    Hal may have been flexible internally but the moves they’ve made the last two years were centered around it… and it could still impact the team negatively in the next season or two when they may have to overpay for talent they could have had at a cheaper price (had they not been committed to getting under a certain budget threshold). They just cost themselves more money by going about it in this manner… it was dumb from the start.

  57. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Ghostwriter,

    It was, to my mind, a fair goal if everything went to plan. The important thing, always, is to be able to reassess your plans and be willing to make adjustments.
    ===

    Oh, I agree that it was a fair goal, and it may yet be the goal. However, I don’t think that it was ever an absolute goal that the Yanks were going to go under $189 milliion no matter what. The goal always was conditioned subject to remaining competitive.

  58. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Release Ichiro and eat $6 million, even though we don’t know if the guy can still play? That makes sense.
    __

    Yeah we are talking about 2014 possibilities so pay attention before you make a dumb comment.

  59. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Grandy is the one bat that can anchor a transition to youth in the OF.

    You can’t let him go.

    So you put him with Wells and Ichiro while those young OF develop one more year.

    That squeezes out Gardner.

    Finally.

  60. Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Ac1

    There are a lot more options open to them if they scrap the 189. For sure.

    I think we are finding out how fragile a roster can be and how difficult it could be to rebuild from scratch, which is what 2014 would basically look like. It’s not that it can’t be done, but it’s what the organization can live with regarding financial risk/reward. Tough for a team that seems not to want to utter the word “rebuild”.

    If you’re saving enough money to make it worthwhile even for one year, you have to try. If not, why bother?

  61. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Hey Bret, I’ve been meaning to ask, are you also that Sir Harden Thicke fella??

  62. Tackelberry April 26th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Granderson is gone. NO way they resign him unless he takes their qualifying offer.

  63. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Are you talking to me? I’m Buster

  64. Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Ghostwriter, I am 100% in agreement with you. I took Hal at his word that it was a goal, but ipgoals can change if they werent comfortable with the competitiveness of the team.

  65. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    And this blog is the only place where the $189 threshold was ever a hard and fixed goal.

    ——————-

    Hal may have been flexible internally but the moves they’ve made the last two years were centered around it… and it could still impact the team negatively in the next season or two when they may have to overpay for talent they could have had at a cheaper price (had they not been committed to getting under a certain budget threshold). They just cost themselves more money by going about it in this manner… it was dumb from the start.
    ——-

    It’s pretty clear that they’ve been trying to cut payroll since the 2009 WS. However, it isn’t clear to me that they are now going to have to overpay for talent as a result of their cost-cutting or some imagined commitment to getting under a given budget threshold. And it isn’t all clear to me that it was “dumb from the start.”

  66. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Gardner, Ichiro, Wells is a LOL outfield.

    Grandy stays.

  67. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Release Ichiro and eat $6 million, even though we don’t know if the guy can still play? That makes sense.
    __

    Yeah we are talking about 2014 possibilities so pay attention before you make a dumb comment.
    —–

    :lol: Dude, I’m not the one who made the dumb comment.

  68. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    There might be a squeeze on Ichiro when Granderson comes back, with Grandy moving back to CF, Gardner going back to LF where his arm is more accurate and Wells moving to RF.

    Ichiro needs to outplay Gardner the next few weeks.

  69. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Or a squeeze on Gardner with Granderson moving back to CF, Wells staying in LF where he is excellent and Ichiro also remaining in his natural position.

    Gardner goes.

  70. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    If you’re saving enough money to make it worthwhile even for one year, you have to try. If not, why bother?
    __

    Agreed. I dont advocate a 240M payroll but they shouldn’t set a $170 limit because with what they are already tied to, there is no way to field a winning team by cutting everywhere else.
    I think $195-$200 should be doable and I think they should actually try to have a real play for once and not wing it.

    1. Let Hughes walk – Let Phelps start
    2. Rivera retires – Bring up Montgomery
    3. Logan is a FA – Rondon and Cabral can be lefties in the pen
    4. Starters – Pettitte? If he retires, sign a 1 year vet, let Poneda, Nova, Nuno have a shot
    5. OF – try like hell to get Heathcott, Austin and Flores up to AAA this year and see what we have in them.
    6. Extend Cano now.

    Then there is the Ichiro, Gardner and Granderson – I try to make a trade (hold onto Grandy, play him in LF, let Heathcott play CF (if ready), and Wells in RF.)

    7. #3B – David friggin Adams and/or Musty.

    It’s time.

  71. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Dude, I’m not the one who made the dumb comment.
    ___

    You were headed there.
    I had said, if Ichiro doesn’t perform this year – dump him and his $6M or bench him.
    Yankees are not beyond alienating vets (Bernie, Posada)….

  72. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    It’s pretty clear that they’ve been trying to cut payroll since the 2009 WS. However, it isn’t clear to me that they are now going to have to overpay for talent as a result of their cost-cutting or some imagined commitment to getting under a given budget threshold. And it isn’t all clear to me that it was “dumb from the start.”

    ————————–

    “Imagined commitment” is a stretch, dude. They wanted to get under to save money. They purposely haven’t signed anyone beyond a specific year in order to do so. Signing guys like Ichiro, possibly resigning Hughes or Grandy, etc all cost dollars that could have been better spent on more productive players.

    It was dumb to try to get under a $189 threshold with almost $30 million of dead weight on the books along with a few other huge deals that aren’t matching their cost vs. production value. It’s not dumb to make it the goal for 2016-17, but it was dumb to try to fit a circle into a square by doing it now. It may have cost them FAs/other available players that could have helped save money, bridge the gap to 2015-17, and provided top of the line production.

    Having the goal at all, and trying to push it through so early, was a mistake. And now it might all have been for naught.

  73. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    I think it’s a moot point. Ichiro will perform. He is a gifted contact hitter who can easily eek out a .290 season. He’s been great lately, turned a corner. Benching him or dumping him and paying that money (which he himself probably covers with merchandising revenues) won’t be an issue.

    The issue is Gardner vs. Grandy.

    Ya’ll will only be able to avoid it for so long.

  74. Tackelberry April 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Granderson and his mega Ks at 15 mill+ are an LOL. Grandy goes!

  75. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    I agree if Ichiro continues to improve this year, he will be here in 2014. I just think he will be more of a back up while Wells/Grandy/Heathcott play more regularly. I like Ichiro fyi.

  76. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Eh, back-to-back 40 HR seasons from CF is elite. He anchors the OF and smooths the transition to youth in the OF, relieving some pressure on the 4 OF to all pan out. Only 2 have to pan out.

    Heathcott could easily do what Gardner does. Flores. Mason Williams. Tyler Austin.

    Yet can any of them crank 40 HR back to back?

    Gardner goes.

    It’s a no brainer.

    Face it.

  77. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I have to go soon but I’ll make these predictions, way too soon, subject to change at any time. :)

    Hughes, will be signed by a Southern California team- returns to his roots. Needs a pitcher friendly park.

    Joba will be signed by another team and given the chance as a starter.

    ARod will not retire

    If Cano resigns, I believe Granderson, unfortunately, will be allowed to hit FA if not traded first.

    Tex, will not fare well from the left side with this injured/torn tendon sheath of his right wrist. Won’t be surprised if he’s out the entire year.

  78. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    In 2014 Wells should be the DH.

    Ichi splitting time with one of the OFers in the system.

  79. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Wells/Grandy/Ichiro

    That affords you the luxury to work in Austin, Flores and/or Heathcott. Ichiro could share time with any or all of them.

    Gardner goes.

  80. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    No Derek and Arod DH

  81. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    There is simply no reason to move a cost controlled player in an area of need for 2014 when you’re trying to bridge to younger guys anyway… I dunno what they’ll do about Grandy but I know it’s not an either/or between he and Gardner.

  82. Tackelberry April 26th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Eh, back-to-back 40 HR seasons from CF is elite. He anchors the OF and smooths the transition to youth in the OF, relieving some pressure on the 4 OF to all pan out.

    _________________________________________________

    He’ll be 33 next year, and is not going to get better. If they wouldn’t give Swisher a long term deal, they’re not giving Granderson one, and he’ll be more expensive. Face it. Granderson is gone, especially considering the money they’ll have to pay Cano.

  83. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Why would anyone want Wells playing the OF if he doesn’t have to..??? You can keep him healthier and more productive by keeping him out of the field. It’s only a bonus that you can slot him out there if you need to, but there’s no reason to pencil him in as a starter. He wasn’t even penciled in as one this year….. they won’t do it for next year.

  84. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    “Imagined commitment” is a stretch, dude. They wanted to get under to save money. They purposely haven’t signed anyone beyond a specific year in order to do so. Signing guys like Ichiro, possibly resigning Hughes or Grandy, etc all cost dollars that could have been better spent on more productive players.

    It was dumb to try to get under a $189 threshold with almost $30 million of dead weight on the books along with a few other huge deals that aren’t matching their cost vs. production value. It’s not dumb to make it the goal for 2016-17, but it was dumb to try to fit a circle into a square by doing it now. It may have cost them FAs/other available players that could have helped save money, bridge the gap to 2015-17, and provided top of the line production.

    Having the goal at all, and trying to push it through so early, was a mistake. And now it might all have been for naught.

    =======

    You can keep calling it dumb all you like, it doesn’t make it so. And there were other good reasons not to extend Hughes, Granderson, or Cano, for that matter, that were wholly unrelated to this $189 threshold, starting with Hughes’ inconsistency, Granderson’s uneven performance, and doubts about Cano’s work ethic, etc.

  85. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Trade Nova + Mason Williams + something more for Headley, Arod to DH.

    Headley’s salary no longer an issue.

    Nova’s cost control, no longer a bonus for 2014.

  86. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Don’t forget Mustelier. It would be nice, with Jeter out, to have a righty, who, with some consistency, can drive the ball the other way.

  87. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Money is no object. They can pay Granderson and Cano. And they can trade for Headley.

  88. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    He’ll be 33 next year, and is not going to get better. If they wouldn’t give Swisher a long term deal, they’re not giving Granderson one, and he’ll be more expensive.

    ——————-

    This is why calling the $189 goal imaginary is a farce. There is a chance it bites them inadvertently and they end up overpaying for production that would have cost them less in prior years.

  89. Tackelberry April 26th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    but they won’t. Bye Bye Grandy.

  90. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Don’t forget Mustelier. It would be nice, with Jeter out, to have a righty, who, with some consistency, can drive the ball the other way.

    =

    With any luck, Musty will be up and Francisco will be gone within a couple of weeks.

  91. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    33 is not old for Grandy. The dude has a higher LBM to fat than any Yankee I’ve ever seen. He is one of the best OF athletes in baseball of the past 20 years.

  92. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    You can keep calling it dumb all you like, it doesn’t make it so. And there were other good reasons not to extend Hughes, Granderson, or Cano, for that matter, that were wholly unrelated to this $189 threshold, starting with Hughes’ inconsistency, Granderson’s uneven performance, and doubts about Cano’s work ethic, etc.

    —————–

    Extending those guys is only one component of it… the goal, implementing it at this juncture with over $100 already committed, was a poor decision.

    Which is why they’re now backing down from it.

    I’ve already said if they want to get under, doing it at some point in 2015-17 is when it makes the most sense operationally speaking.

  93. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Money is no object. They can pay Granderson and Cano. And they can trade for Headley.

    =====

    Granderson is gone. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Headley.

  94. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Now we are clinging to 189.

  95. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    In 2014 Wells should be the DH.
    ___

    Jeter and Alex will DH.

  96. jacksquat April 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 9:53 am
    And this blog is the only place where the $189 threshold was ever a hard and fixed goal. Hal has been pretty clear about his intentions on this regard from the beginning.

    He was clear that his intention was to get below 189. He said it multiple times. He only hedged once, saying circumstances could change things, and that could have easily been seen as just for public consumption.

    If the financial benefits for staying under are now much lower, than that could be a circumstance that changes things. But I’ll just wait and see what happens.

  97. Tackelberry April 26th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    33 is not old for Grandy. The dude has a higher LBM to fat than any Yankee I’ve ever seen. He is one of the best OF athletes in baseball of the past 20 years.

    NOpe he ain’t. as Hawk Harrelson would say, “HE GONNNNEEE!!!”

  98. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Arod to morph into his peak steroid years.

  99. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Grandy IN
    Headley IN
    Alex DH

    Gardner OUT

    He gone.

  100. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Montero gone.
    Hughes gone.
    Gardner gone.

    Free at last.

  101. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Shame

    If attendance doesn’t pick up, the 189M threshold, might indeed have the Steinbrenner’s towing the line, to reset the LT at 17.5% instead of paying 50% on every dollar over the 189M, which is really being looked at by them as closer to 177M. :(

  102. jacksquat April 26th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Gardner has started every single game the Yankees have played. Ichiro has been benched 4 starts already. They aren’t going to just bench Gardner.

  103. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    squat – Bret’s been obsessed with getting rid of Gardner since 2008, just let him have his fun. :D

  104. Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Have to go.

    Have a great day everyone.

  105. Tackelberry April 26th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Gardner in

    Grandy gone.

  106. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    jacksquat April 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 9:53 am
    And this blog is the only place where the $189 threshold was ever a hard and fixed goal. Hal has been pretty clear about his intentions on this regard from the beginning.

    He was clear that his intention was to get below 189. He said it multiple times. He only hedged once, saying circumstances could change things, and that could have easily been seen as just for public consumption.

    If the financial benefits for staying under are now much lower, than that could be a circumstance that changes things. But I’ll just wait and see what happens.
    =========

    That’s exactly my point. Hal made his position abundantly clear to anybody who was willing to listen, and people heard what they wanted to hear. I don’t find it terribly interesting or fruitful to guess about people’s intentions.

  107. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Trader – I’d like to see them do something dramatic (dramatic for the Yankees anyway) and actually try a couple younger players by mid year if they’re performing well in AA or AAA. Adams, Musty, Austin, or Romine… it would be nice to get a look at them this year to see if you can utilize them next year.

    Re: the DH.. I dunno how to pencil anyone else in there just yet. Jeter isn’t going to DH more than 30 games if he’s healthy and playing. He isn’t going to retire as a part time SS. Alex..? I don’t even know what to expect with that situation so I’m more comfortable with the idea that the majority of the DH ABs will come from one source at this point… who knows how things will play out.

  108. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Gardner has started every single game the Yankees have played. Ichiro has been benched 4 starts already. They aren’t going to just bench Gardner.
    ___

    Joe will get ‘creative’ for 2013.
    If Ichiro continues to improve and Gardner doesn’t get his OBP up or his stolen bases up, he WILL be the one to lose more playing time to Granderson this year.

  109. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Yankee Trader April 26th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Shame

    If attendance doesn’t pick up, the 189M threshold, might indeed have the Steinbrenner’s towing the line, to reset the LT at 17.5% instead of paying 50% on every dollar over the 189M, which is really being looked at by them as closer to 177M. :(
    ==============

    Higher ticket prices likely explain the lower attendance. Lower attendance doesn’t necessarily translate into lower revenues. If the Yanks aren’t happy with the attendance/revenue numbers, they’ll lower the prices.

  110. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Instant gratification

    Let’s see;
    Mustelier still rehabbing
    Nuno he of the 85 mph FB
    Adams 60 AB in AAA
    Austin and Heatcott struggling in AA
    Romine Good average – no power

    Did I miss someone?

  111. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 10:36 am
    Gardner has started every single game the Yankees have played. Ichiro has been benched 4 starts already. They aren’t going to just bench Gardner.
    ___

    Joe will get ‘creative’ for 2013.
    If Ichiro continues to improve and Gardner doesn’t get his OBP up or his stolen bases up, he WILL be the one to lose more playing time to Granderson this year.

    _____________

    Yup. Resistance is futile.

  112. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Gardner and the SB bugaboo

    Ah, the number counting – consideration
    Gardner has been mostly batting ahead of Cano.

    Cano needs the hole in right – witness the shift

    Gardner steals, Cano walks

    Ahem

  113. DONNYBROOK April 26th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    31,445 at the game last night. “The 4th time A RECORD LOW has been recorded at The Stadium THIS MONTH”. Nice article over at Yahoo Sports concerning the Yankees aborting their spend-thrift\$189 Mill goal. Better late than never.

  114. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Instant gratification

    Let’s see;
    Mustelier still rehabbing
    Nuno he of the 85 mph FB
    Adams 60 AB in AAA
    Austin and Heatcott struggling in AA
    Romine Good average – no power

    Did I miss someone?

    ———————

    So… everyone in our system sucks and will never contribute, is the point??

    Was your intention to start some ‘Yankee’s can’t develop players’ bashing lol?

  115. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Granderson – the rally killer – 200 SOs, murders average RH pitcher FBs, helpless on any breaking ball down and away, below average CF, 15 mil tab at 33 years old.

    That Granderson?

    Hey, the Yankees better get right on him. He’s a treasure

  116. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    @DannyKnoblerCBS

    Scouts watching Jeter press conf. asked, “Is he always like this?” Yes, and it’s the best thing he has going for him. http://cbsprt.co/Y0sny0

    —-

    LOL, who are these scouts and where have they been for the last two decades..?

  117. comnsnse April 26th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Whether or not Jeter comes back and when aren’t the more important questions , can he still be a major league S.S. given the certainty he will lose even more range?

    The second question is given this is a walk year, what do the Yankees offer given, age, loss of range and yet to be seen offensive skills all at age 40 in 2014?

    If there is no significant diminishing of his offensive skills I could envision him as a DH in the Paul Molitor mold.

    In any case difficult decision for Yankee brass.

  118. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    So… everyone in our system sucks and will never contribute, is the point??

    Was your intention to start some ‘Yankee’s can’t develop players’ bashing lol?

    ————-
    A little leaping to conclusions there

    It’s called a reality check. That is where the kids are at this point. They need time, some need time to figure things out, most have been playing in freezing temperatures, some need to get healthy. It’s not even one month into the season. Expecting a callup to become an instant panacea is wishcasting.

  119. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    So… everyone in our system sucks and will never contribute, is the point??

    Was your intention to start some ‘Yankee’s can’t develop players’ bashing lol?

    ————-
    A little leaping to conclusions there

    It’s called a reality check. That is where the kids are at this point. They need time, some need time to figure things out, most have been playing in freezing temperatures, some need to get healthy. It’s not even one month into the season. Expecting a callup to become an instant panacea is wishcasting.

    ——————–

    I’m just trying to figure out where you comment came from… it sounds like your chastising people for wanting to see said players this season.

  120. ac1 April 26th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Blue Jays now starting LHP A. Laffey tonight vs. Yanks. Girardi hinted they might DL Youkilis if he wasn’t ready for LHP Saturday… hmm.
    ____________________________

    Should DFA Francisco, DL Youk and being up Adams ASAP!

  121. JRC April 26th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I believe Jeter has a player option for 2014 loaded with incentives up to current salary, thus it is not a walk year for him.

  122. GregD April 26th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Gardner won’t be traded……

  123. austinmac April 26th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Shame,

    Passan repeating what we have been saying shows his keen intellect. :)

  124. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Romine Good average – no power

    Did I miss someone?

    Romine did hit a homerun last night ;)

  125. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Bummer though about Thomas Neal on the DL

  126. jacksquat April 26th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Thomas Neal was becoming a threat to Francisco’s spot on the roster, the gods were not happy.

  127. blake April 26th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    blake says:
    April 26, 2013 at 9:18 am
    If the Yankees do exceed the 189 threshold in 2014 then 1) it makes some of their recent moves/non moves a bit curious 2) I hope they bring back the same rotation in 2014 + a healthy Pineda……meaning bring back Kuroda and Andy and re-sign Hughes if all are healthy and want to pitch

  128. Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 1m
    For all the terrible stats vs. LHs, #Yankees are actually 5-3 when opp starts LH, and they face Laffey rather than Johnson tonite

  129. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Thomas Neal was becoming a threat to Francisco’s spot on the roster, the gods were not happy.

    All I am saying is does anyone really know where Francisco was when Neal went down hurt???

  130. GregD April 26th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Romine Good average – no power

    Did I miss someone?

    Romine did hit a homerun last night

    —————-
    I don’t think we have anybody ready yet to come up and help us…..perhaps by mid-season Adams, Almonte or Mustelier…….let them develop further before throwing them into MLB lineup

  131. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 1m
    For all the terrible stats vs. LHs, #Yankees are actually 5-3 when opp starts LH, and they face Laffey rather than Johnson tonite

    Wonderful stat! Go Yanks! However, it does not ease my initial reactions when the lineup goes up and I see Francisco 2nd and Cisco 5th (nothing against Cervelli). That’s just a natural reaction that may always happen.

  132. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    You want another lefty. Vidal Nuno deserves a shot.
    ___

    YT, I would be fine there. I want a lefty specialist on this team; not having it is almost comical. I remember laughing when I saw a KC type team only have one lefty in the pen…now we are them. When our pitching coach said I just want a good pitcher when addressing the lefty situation it showed me a lot…they don;t understand the value of another lefty. Rapada was great last year facing tough lefties and limiting them to an OPS of .518! That has a ton of value, let alone the matchup issues you cause for teh opposing manager who now can bring in their lefties with no worries.

  133. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Not sure why so many people are throwing out Gardner and the comparing him to Ichiro? There is NO comparison, Gardner is FAR better. Better hitter, better fielder, better stolen base guy. I am not even sure if the arm is much worse.

  134. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    When people say there isn’t anyone to come help us… I think you’re losing me.

    Could Adams really not out-hit Nix?

    Bringing someone up to play 3B keeps Youk at 1B, puts Nix on the pine, Overbay in a corner, and Francisco on a bus home.

  135. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    I said this at the beginning of the year that getting Francisco was foolish. they get a mediocre hitter who has been better against righties to be their DH or platoon guy against lefties? Is he as bad as he has played, no, but it still was a terrible move. I would be happier playing one of young righties in his role

  136. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Could Adams really not out-hit Nix?

    No doubt he can. But who backs up Nunez then?

  137. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Not sure why so many people are throwing out Gardner and the comparing him to Ichiro?

    —————

    Bret is still PTSDing from his time spent in Mets jail.

  138. Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Carly -

    I know, it’s still not great looking at that lineup on paper! LOL

    Fortunately they get to play anyway… ;)

  139. GregD April 26th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 11:19 am
    When people say there isn’t anyone to come help us… I think you’re losing me.

    Could Adams really not out-hit Nix?

    Bringing someone up to play 3B keeps Youk at 1B, puts Nix on the pine, Overbay in a corner, and Francisco on a bus home.
    ———————
    A month in AAA doesn’t prove that Adams can hit Major League pitching nor prove that he can stay healthy ……..that’s all I’m saying……and no I am not convinced he can hit better than Nix yet

  140. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Fortunately they get to play anyway…

    Exactly!!

  141. Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Nix is a serviceable backup, and the only one who can backup SS.

  142. Duh Innings II April 26th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    The Yanks should not activate Jeter this year because then they’d be paying $17M for only two months of baseball. If he’s not ready to go by August 1, they should put him on the 60-day disabled list and be done with him for 2013, Jeter’s entire 2013 salary of $17M paid to the Yanks from insurance. Jeter would exercise his $8M 2014 player’s option (and make $25M playing only one season between 2013-14) as his value on the free-agent market would be no more than that if not less and he avoids another offseason contract squabble with the Yanks and the Yanks would still clear $18M cuz they’d have saved $26M ($17M the Yanks didn’t pay Jeter for 2013 plus $9M less he’s making in 2014) minus $8M for the player’ option for $18M total cleared.

    Jesus Bustero: Jeter will not be the 2014 Yankees DH or make $14M. His player’s option is only $8M. If he opts out for the $3M buyout, I guarantee you the Yanks will offer him no more than $5M for 2014 only so he might as well avoid the contract squabbling over which he has zero leverage and pick up the player’s option as that’s all he’s getting from the Yankees.

    Realistically, Jeter should aim to pass Hank Aaron on the all time hits leader board. If he did that with 3772 hits he’s only 469 hits shy of, he’d have the most hits by a righthanded hitter. When Jeter is inducted into the Hall Of Fame on the first ballot and assuming Pete Rose is still not in the Hall Of Fame then, Jeter would have the second most hits by a Hall Of Famer behind Ty Cobb and the most hits by a Hall Of Famer who was a good man which Cobb was not as Cobb was a racist piece of sh it who was publicly against African Americans and other non-white people playing MLB.

    Another interesting fact: Jeter is only 211 hits shy of the second-most hits by a player who never played in the National League as Tris Speaker has 3514 hits. If Jeter could pass Cobb and was inducted into the Hall Of Fame but doesn’t pass Pete Rose in hits, and Rose wasn’t in the HOF then, (Jeter) would have the most hits by a Hall Of Famer and second most hits of all time and one could easily argue had Jeter not had a cup of coffee in 1995 and missed all of 2013 he’d have passed Rose.

  143. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    I said this at the beginning of the year that getting Francisco was foolish. they get a mediocre hitter who has been better against righties to be their DH or platoon guy against lefties? Is he as bad as he has played, no, but it still was a terrible move. I would be happier playing one of young righties in his role
    ===

    It doesn’t seem to have worked out, but it wasn’t foolish. It was worth a try, and it hasn’t cost the Yanks very much.

  144. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Gardner made a heck of a catch last night going a long way and backhanding the ball before tumbling. Not many CF’s make that play. He needs to play more in CF to get more comfortable. He was the best defensive LF’r in baseball before moving to CF. he should still be one of the best in CF.

  145. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Could Adams really not out-hit Nix?

    No doubt he can. But who backs up Nunez then?

    ————

    Nix. Bye, bye Francisco.

  146. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    I like Gardner, but when are the steals going to start?

  147. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    I’m happy with Gardner in center field next year, and giving Musty, Almonte, or whomever taking one of the corner spots, or sharing it with Wells/Ichiro.

  148. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    No doubt he can. But who backs up Nunez then?

    ————

    Nix. Bye, bye Francisco.

    Well then, I am all in favor of that!

  149. Russell Munson April 26th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    They can’t promote Rapada until May 3. If he’s healthy he’ll be brought up after that once they clear a 40 man roster spot for him.

  150. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    I like Gardner, but when are the steals going to start?

    —–

    Not with Cano at bat, not unless he’s on second..

  151. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Not with Cano at bat, not unless he’s on second..

    But can he at least steal in the games Francisco is batting second?

  152. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Not with Cano at bat, not unless he’s on second..

    But can he at least steal in the games Francisco is batting second?
    ==

    Francisco’s ABs don’t last long enough ;)

  153. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Incorrect Ghost Writer. Because you lost the opportunity to get a player that is a lefty bopper and you also could have used a younger guy and given him an opportunity. It is the same reason why the Ichiro signing (I was one of the few saying it was a terrible signing, especially the two year part – if it was 6 for one year I wouldn’t have screamed as much but I still thought it was 3 mil too high. We need to use and fill with specialists or young guys rather than older guys who bring less than our minor league guys could do (who also have upside). This is why I am happy that Nunez is getting an opportunity even if I have said I think he will never be more than average defensive SS (if we are lucky) because he will always be erratic. But give him a chance, maybe he surprises us…look at cervelli so far this year

  154. GregD April 26th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:31 am
    No doubt he can. But who backs up Nunez then?

    ————

    Nix. Bye, bye Francisco.

    Well then, I am all in favor of that!
    ————
    The fact that 29 other teams passed on Adams when they could have had him for nothing would indicate he’s not a sure fire major league hitter

  155. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Gardner made a heck of a catch last night going a long way and backhanding the ball before tumbling. Not many CF’s make that play. He needs to play more in CF to get more comfortable. He was the best defensive LF’r in baseball before moving to CF. he should still be one of the best in CF.
    ————–
    This is what gets me. Granderson is waiting on the outbound train, below average CF, never mind compared to Gardner and the Yankees will cater to him rather than do what’s best for the team defense. At stake are possibly one or two wins. Might be fragile ego issues. Give me a break.

  156. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Francisco’s ABs don’t last long enough

    Funny, sad, and true all at the same time.

  157. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    ————
    The fact that 29 other teams passed on Adams when they could have had him for nothing would indicate he’s not a sure fire major league hitter

    ============
    The fact that the Yanks put him out there in the first place says something as well…

  158. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I am a fan of gardner, but let’s be honest, he doesn’t read pitchers to well; he is just blazing. he waited and still got a bad jump but outran the ball in his last steal. That being said, he has been successful stealing bases.

  159. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    The fact that 29 other teams passed on Adams when they could have had him for nothing would indicate he’s not a sure fire major league hitter

    Could be. Or no team was willing to mess with its 40 man after setting it after ST.

  160. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    The fact that 29 other teams passed on Adams when they could have had him for nothing would indicate he’s not a sure fire major league hitter

    —————–

    Well the fact that Nix is a career back up tells us nothing would indicate he should be playing 3B every day.

    The point is to bring someone in that at least has upside. We need to figure out who is going to cover 3B next year too, so it isn’t fruitless to at least give them a shot while we’re laden with injuries. No one expects any of those kids to be saviors, despite whatever rhetoric might be thrown around.

  161. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    The fact that the Yanks put him out there in the first place says something as well…

    True again, but I am do not always put that much stock in that all the time. First, Yanks did resign him. Second, Yanks have a history of exposing guys to other teams such as Ivan Nova and Vidal Nuno in the Rule 5 draft and then there was Jose Quintana. I think that they have him back and wanted him back is a positive for Adams.

  162. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Incorrect Ghost Writer. Because you lost the opportunity to get a player that is a lefty bopper and you also could have used a younger guy and given him an opportunity. It is the same reason why the Ichiro signing (I was one of the few saying it was a terrible signing, especially the two year part – if it was 6 for one year I wouldn’t have screamed as much but I still thought it was 3 mil too high. We need to use and fill with specialists or young guys rather than older guys who bring less than our minor league guys could do (who also have upside). This is why I am happy that Nunez is getting an opportunity even if I have said I think he will never be more than average defensive SS (if we are lucky) because he will always be erratic. But give him a chance, maybe he surprises us…look at cervelli so far this year
    ===

    Who is this lefty bopper the Yanks passed on in favor of Francisco?

    And they did give the younger guys a chance to win a job: Mesa and Almonte failed to distinguish themselves in ST.

    It’s not at all clear that the Yanks missed out on anything giving Francisco a look.

  163. GregD April 26th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    The fact that 29 other teams passed on Adams when they could have had him for nothing would indicate he’s not a sure fire major league hitter

    Could be. Or no team was willing to mess with its 40 man after setting it after ST

    ————–
    If they were as convinced as some people on here, they would have……..

  164. MTU April 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Shame-

    I’m w you. We need to challenge some of our youngsters. IMO Adams and Musty certainly qualify.

    And Montgomery too.

    Hope we see them soon. Not holding my breath.

    ;)

  165. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Duh, if/when Jeter picks up his 8 million option his 2014 salary will count as 14 M towards the luxury tax because that is the AAV including the option year.

    And Jeter will be DH if his ankle never fully heals. I wouldn’t pencil him at SS after such an injury at his age.

    Nor would I pencil in Arod to not be a candidate for a plastic, metal or whatever hip. I don’t care if they use styrofoam on the roid head. Even better.

  166. blake April 26th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    “Duh, if/when Jeter picks up his 8 million option his 2014 salary will count as 14 M towards the luxury tax because that is the AAV including the option year.”

    More like 15.5

  167. Hassey April 26th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Heidi Watney is great to look at, and I’d sure love to drive her in from third, but she adds literally zero analysis to the gamevideo she talks over on MLB

  168. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    What little I’ve seen of Adams, I’ve liked, mostly go by what others have said. And God knows Youk’s range at 3B (the width of my couch), leaves a lot to be desired. And that’s not mentioning his bad back. Rationally it would make sense for Youk to play DH and back up 3B and 1B, health permitting.

    Going by the plays Nix is making at 3B, I’m good with him there because those are doubles and score runs. Better a Nix with D then Youk with no D and a non appearance clause.

  169. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    The fact that the Yanks put him out there in the first place says something as well…

    True again, but I am do not always put that much stock in that all the time. First, Yanks did resign him. Second, Yanks have a history of exposing guys to other teams such as Ivan Nova and Vidal Nuno in the Rule 5 draft and then there was Jose Quintana. I think that they have him back and wanted him back is a positive for Adams.

    ——

    I have to think that if they valued him, they probably would not have done it. And why was it Adams? Why not somebody else? When the Yanks pulled this release and sign gambit with Humberto Sanchez a few years back, he was out of the organization within a few months (and kicking around the independent leagues ever since).

  170. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Derek Jeter ss

    3 years/$51M (2011-13), plus 2014 player option

    3 years/$51M (2011-13), plus 2014 player option
    re-signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/6/10

    11:$15M, 12:$16M, 13:$17M, 14:$8M player option ($3M buyout)

    __________

    When I add 15 + 16 + 17 + 8 I get 56

    When I divide by 4 I get 14

  171. jacksquat April 26th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Cashman timed the release of Adams pretty well.

  172. Carly April 26th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I have to think that if they valued him, they probably would not have done it. And why was it Adams? Why not somebody else? When the Yanks pulled this release and sign gambit with Humberto Sanchez a few years back, he was out of the organization within a few months (and kicking around the independent leagues ever since).

    Good question. But for me Humberto was a different kind of situation. At least Adams has shown some ability to bounce back from injuries. Humberto was busted goods on arrival in Sheffield trade.

  173. blake April 26th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    He reached a bonus last year with a silver slugger that counts too

  174. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    jacksquat April 26th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Cashman timed the release of Adams pretty well.
    ==

    Yes, he did, but that’s not really teh point.

  175. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    blake April 26th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    He reached a bonus last year with a silver slugger that counts too

    ————–

    blake pays attention to JF’s posts.. ;)

  176. Jesus Bustero April 26th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I still don’t see how you get from 14 AAV to 15.5 AAV.

    Is the silver slugger bonus 6 million spread over 4 years?

  177. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    ood question. But for me Humberto was a different kind of situation. At least Adams has shown some ability to bounce back from injuries. Humberto was busted goods on arrival in Sheffield trade

    =

    Arguably, they were in very similar situations. They both had success in lower levels, they both had been in the minors for about six years, and they both had trouble staying healthy. There are lot of parallels. I’m not saying that Admas will be gone by the end of the year. However, I don’t think he’ll the next guy to arrive from SWB. There are other players in the minors that the Yanks wanted to keep more than Adams.

  178. Shame Spencer April 26th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    We can ask Chad during the chat about Jeter’s AAV! :arrow:

  179. Bo knows April 26th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Nix at 3B last night was vintage Craig Nettles. And that is high praise indeed. Nunez behind 2B the night before. Those plays are worth the price of admission, much better than “Pasta Diving”.

  180. Ghostwriter April 26th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    One thing that Adams has going for him is that the Yanks are pretty tight on infielders, whereas they had plenty pitchers when they let Sanchez go.

  181. Doreen April 26th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    I thought this was interesting about 10 managers on the last year of their contracts. Nothing earth-shattering; just interesting. Of particular note: Mattingly asked for a one-year extension and was told no.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....b-managers

  182. The Genius Maker April 26th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Ghost, I don;t want to keep going back and forth, but Francisco is a 31 year old that has had an OPS of .700 the last two years and has a career OPS that is 35 points higher against righties than lefties, yet we sign him to be our guy to platoon against lefties? There are a ton of cheap players that can give you an OPS of over .750 against lefties…shoot, as poor a hitter as cervelli was before this year he had an .820 OPS against lefties over the past 3 years.

  183. Run it Out April 26th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Looking at the 2014 rotation you have CC($23). If you want Andy ($12) and Hiro ($15) there’s $50 right there. That’s a big chunk out of the $177. Now take Alex ($25), Tex ($22) and Jete ($8) and you have $72 left to fill out the team. Now Buster wants Cano and Granderson? Adds up fast doesn’t it?

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