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Postgame notes: “It’s been a whirlwind”

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There was a brief amount of time when Lyle Overbay entertained the idea that his playing days might be numbered. The veteran first baseman was released by the Boston Red Sox just days before the start of the season, but the Yankees didn’t allow that feeling of doubt to last very long.

“Probably about an hour and half, two hours,” Overbay said of the amount of time that passed between getting released and hearing from the Yankees. “My agent was on the line from the get-go. He obviously thought that this might be a fit, and Milwaukee. He wanted to touch base with those real quick, and even other teams that were interested in the offseason to see if anything had changed. Realistically, I think this and Milwaukee were the only chances that I had in that short amount of time.”

Overbay is one of several new veterans that have exceeded expectations for the Yankees through their first 24 games, and he provided the decisive blow on Sunday. His two-out, two-run homer in the seventh put the Yankees up for good on their way to a 3-2 win and a four-game sweep of the Toronto Blue Jays.

“It’s been a whirlwind, but it’s been fun,” Overbay said. “I’ve enjoyed it. This is awesome. It’s a dream come true to play for the New York Yankees, and the opportunity that I’m getting, I can’t think of anything better.”

• It seems like each of the new additions — many of whom weren’t expected to play such crucial roles for the Yankees — have had their moments this season. It’s really been incredible to witness guys like Overbay, Travis Hafner, Vernon Wells and Kevin Youkilis become such integral parts of this team after each had struggled in recent years. “It’s a group that has something to prove, in a sense,” Joe Girardi said. “Some guys that are older that have had some down years or some injury-plagued years, some younger guys that are trying to establish themselves and they found how to make it work. Putting them all together, we had guys coming into our clubhouse as late as Wednesday the week before we started the season, and they have integrated very well. I give them a lot of credit, because it seems to be a close-knit group that feels if we keep it close, we have an opportunity to win.”

• As a guy who has been a starting first baseman in this league for quite some time, Overbay talked about how different his situation has been this year. “It’s weird because I’ve never been in that situation before where you don’t know your future,” he said. “Usually, you go into spring training and know that you’re on a team and you’re just getting ready. It was a different scenario, I guess, but it worked out.”

• Here’s Girardi on what Overbay has brought to the table: “He’s been important to us. Offensively, he’s really contributed, but defensively, he solidifies first base. He knows how to play the position. He moves all over the place, and he’s done a really nice job for us. We got a little bit lucky when he became available at the end of spring training.”

• I wrote before the game that Overbay had the worst numbers off of Toronto starter R.A. Dickey of any Yankee with at least 10 career at-bats, but that didn’t matter in the seventh. Overbay had been 1 for 14 in his career against Dickey, but all it took was one swing to turn things around. He had an interesting (and in fact, very honest) story about how he’s changed his approach against knuckleballers. “I struggled cause I’ve faced (Tim) Wakefield a lot and I’ve struggled against him,” he said. “A couple of years ago – it might have been my last year in Toronto – Matt Stairs’ approach was just to try and pull homers. Ever since I did that, I started hitting them a lot better. You start taking an aggressive swing at it, I think is the biggest thing. If you start trying to feel for it, it ends up beating you. It’s just a matter of taking a big, strong, aggressive hack.”

• With so many new faces making big contributions, Overbay said it’s made it easier to fit in and just go about his business. “It kind of takes the pressure off of you a little bit,” he said. “You know that those guys, if they get a chance, are going to come through, so it’s like, ‘I’ll just sit back here, and if I get a chance, I’m going to enjoy it and get a good pitch,’ and that kind of thing. It’s relaxing that they’ve been able to do that… We’ve been doing it all year, so why not again?”

• Brennan Boesch got the start in right field with Brett Gardner getting the day off (Ichiro slid over to center), and he hit a solo homer in the second. It was one of only four hits allowed by Dickey, as Girardi continues to push the right buttons. “We didn’t have a lot,” Girardi said, referring to the hit total. “We had four hits, and two of them were homers. That’s what helped. It’s tough cause you’re used to guys throwing in the 90s, and all of a sudden you’re trying to hit a butterfly. It becomes very difficult. He knows how to change speeds with it, he knows how to manipulate it to make it move different ways – it’s tough to center a ball on him.”

• While Dickey threw well for the Blue Jays, Phil Hughes brought the best pure stuff that we’ve seen from him so far this season. He didn’t go as deep into the game as you would have liked considering how sharp he looked early — he was done after six innings with his pitch count at 111 — but he was aggressive and generated some ugly swing-and-misses, resulting in nine strikeouts. “Coming out of the spring where I really didn’t get much time, I felt like it was going to take a little while,” Hughes said. “I was hoping it wasn’t. I was hoping I would be able to go out there in my first start and be good to go, but that’s kind of the way it was. I’m happy with the last three starts, being able to show some improvements and give our guys a chance to win.”

• It’s not just the fact that Hughes struck so many guys out that made this such an encouraging start, but how he got those strikeouts. When he first came up, he was almost exclusively a fastball-curveball guy, but we’ve seen him really work to improve his slider and changeup. Girardi talked about him mixing his pitches better, but I really thought the key today was the slider. It’s an improving pitch for Hughes, and it was his go-to today to finish guys off. If you ask him, though, it all starts with fastball command. “I think I was just being aggressive with my fastball and making good pitches early on. I was really attacking guys and locating when I needed to,” he said. “I’m kind of a guy that attacks with four-seam fastballs, and the result of that is when I’m really good there will be swings and misses or sometimes foul balls.”

• Hughes was cruising through his first few innings, but his pitch count got driven up a bit in the fourth. Edwin Encarnacion, Melky Cabrera and Adam Lind came up with three consecutive singles to tie the game at 1-1, but none of them were hit particularly well. It was certainly the softest run that I’ve seen scored so far this season. “I could have made better pitches,” Hughes said. “None of them were really hit that well, but I think I have to do a better job of letting those frustrations go and not taking them over into the next at-bat.”

• The Yankees pen was effective once again, with Boone Logan, David Robertson and Mariano Rivera each pitching a scoreless inning. They combined to allow just one hit, no walks and struck out four. “That’s been the M.O. for the last few years,” Hughes said. “We have a lights out end of our bullpen, so we know if we can give us six, seven solid innings that we have a good chance to win.”

• Rivera is now 9 for 9 in save attempts after missing most of last season with the ACL injury. “Having nine save opportunities in a month is pretty good, too, No. 1,” Girardi said. “I felt that Mo threw the ball well in spring training. He didn’t really throw a lot of back-to-backs, and you wondered how he’d respond throwing three out of four days. He’s a little bit like Jeet and Andy – there’s not much that they can do that will surprise you, because you’re so used to seeing it.”

• Random thought: The obvious choice to be released when Curtis Granderson comes off of the DL is the slumping Ben Francisco, but what will the Yankees do when Mark Teixeira is ready to return? It wouldn’t make much sense to keep Overbay with Youkilis’ ability to back up Teixeira at first, but it would be tough to let him go if he continues to play well. That might be the Yankees only option if everyone else stays healthy, but you’d have to think that some other team would snatch Overbay up quickly.

• Speaking of Youk, there was no update from Girardi on his cranky back after the game. I would expect him to miss at least another game or two.

• I’ll give the final word to Hughes, who spoke about how well the new Yankees have performed: “We know what these guys can do, whether it’s been Hafner, Overbay or Wells. They’re guys that have experience in this league, and they’re good hitters. That’s the bottom line. We felt like if we pitched well, we’re going to get contributions from somebody, and that’s been the case early on… I think guys around here have kind of learned to deal with the negative stuff that swirls around. It hasn’t really impacted us in the past, and I don’t think it’s going to impact us going forward. It’s just part of the game, and we’ve dealt with that before… First meeting of spring training we talked about that and how it’s not going to affect us.”

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561 Responses to “Postgame notes: “It’s been a whirlwind””

  1. randy l. April 28th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    ” No Randy… it was a strike fouled off by the batter that hit squarely the hand”

    luis-

    thanks.

    i don’t see the point in catching a third strike that way though with no one on base though jacksquat says girardi saids he did it that way.

    a catcher isn’t going to miss a ball on a swing and miss third strike.
    if the ball is in the dirt, the catcher sees that coming . there’s time to flip the mitt and get the hand out there from a protected place in position to block the pitch if the batter swings and misses.

    and the catcher doesn’t use the bare hand trying to block pitches. it’d just be hard to leave the hand behind the back and get the chest and arms in position to knock the ball down in front of the catcher. so the hand is brought out along with the arm.

  2. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Little overhead w. Overbay so far.

    Pure profit right now.

    ;)

  3. jacksquat April 28th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    http://instagram.com/p/YqaJKkyHGl/

    Looks like little C is a lefty. I’m guessing that’s a changeup.

  4. luis April 28th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Randy,

    On catching nuances I defer to you… And I agree, there is plenty of time to move the hand if the pitch goes in to the dirt… I only played as a pitcher, CF, RF and 2B…But always admired the hard work that catching entails.

    MTU,

    Pto rico?? or St Marteen?? Those twoplacesare very nice!!

  5. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Squat-

    Definitely. His eyes are closed.

  6. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Luis-

    Have you measured ?

    Now all I have to do is hit lotto.

    I spent a whole year on Vieques. Love PR.

    Did my best beach bum imitation.

    Those were interesting times.

    :)

  7. Nick in SF April 28th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    luis, the Turley trade was made in the early 60′s. Sparky Lyle was traded after George got shiny toy Goose Gossage. Craig Nettles said that Lyle went “from Cy Young to sayonara.” Dave Righetti was the only notable player the Yanks got back after trading Lyle.

  8. luis April 28th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    ObviousMan April 28th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
    Luis,

    You’ve been predicting doom and gloom for the Yankees for three+ years now and all they do is win. Maybe, just maybe, Cashman is right and you are wrong?

    ====================================

    Really?…. Look back and you will see that I was a staunch Cashman supporter, up until the 2010/11 winter and after I watched a series of moves that made me rethink my position… It started in 2010 though, but I kept it to myself.

    But I’ll give you this… From the first time I was here, I always said that they needed to start to rebuild the core, also that the core needed to be homegrown, for several reasons that I won’t enumerate here.

    I supported Cashman because I thought that he was going to do just that…. He hasn’t and he has had plenty of time to do so… I think we need a fresh mind in there, someone with enough fortitude to stay the course…

  9. randy l. April 28th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    luis,

    obviously girardi knows as much as anyone about catching, but other catchers seem to do it differently as far as the hand behind them.
    i’m just finding the discussion interesting.

    cervelli does seem to get hurt a lot.

  10. luis April 28th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    About being right or wrong… I rather be wrong, because that would mean that the team will do just fine… I just don’t see it

  11. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Braves/Tigers on Sun. night baseball.

    I hope I don’t see Upton hit another Hr.

  12. luis April 28th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    MTU,

    Nah!! Just an aproximation ;) Start playing, we need to have those beers

  13. fantasygame101 April 28th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    The only way the great ben Francisco is not mention on the list of contributors is that the opponents are very careful with him.

  14. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Luis-

    I can remember when you 1st came on here.

    Someone accused you of you not being you.

    It took a while to clear your name. It was so ridiculous.

    Perhaps, I have been here too long.

    So many happenings.

  15. luis April 28th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    randy l. April 28th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    luis,

    obviously girardi knows as much as anyone about catching, but other catchers seem to do it differently as far as the hand behind them.
    i’m just finding the discussion interesting.

    cervelli does seem to get hurt a lot.

    ==============================

    For me catching is the more demanding position of the whole game, both phisically and mentally… The catcher is the true captain of a team, it’s leader…Heck, they sometimes need to be counselors and babysitters… I think one game behind the plate is like playing four games in a row on any other position.

    About Cervelli, he does gets hurt a lot..He seems too eager in there at times and that doesn’t help… I saw him play in the winter and he was rushing every throw he made… that’s why i thought that Romine had a good chance to make the club in ST… He has surprised me with his level of play

  16. luis April 28th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    MTU April 28th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
    Luis-

    I can remember when you 1st came on here.

    Someone accused you of you not being you.

    It took a while to clear your name. It was so ridiculous.

    Perhaps, I have been here too long.

    So many happenings.

    =========================
    You always gave me the benefit of the doubt my friend… You can’t imagine how much that meant to me… for this, then the beers are on me ;)

  17. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Randy,

    *The most demanding position* sorry

  18. comnsnse April 28th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Luis, on the previous thread someone mentioned factiously I suppose “dead people voting”.

    Are you familiar with “Uttar Pradesh Mritak Sangh”?

    A club of sorts wherein people in a society who have been ostracized are treated as dead but remain physically alive!

    I’m not sure about voting rights but my thought is a blog might incorporate this for certain posters on occasion! ;)

  19. comnsnse April 28th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    EEEEEEE!

  20. jmills April 28th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    ” A whirlind “, I’ll say. We did a work function with clients and employees last night, and today I got my kid moved out of U in one piece. Did the jays win ? :)

  21. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Luis-

    I was not the only one to come to your aid.

    When I first came on here I had absolutely no idea about blogging.

    Never had heard of it or tried it.

    I just stumbled onto this site.

    I was completely intimidated by a guy who used to post here named “Murphydog”.

    He accused me of being “sanctimonius”. I think I’m anything but that but we didn’t know each other at all.

    Several people came to my aid.

    I always thought Murphydog was really funny too.

    He absolutely detested Mike Lupica. He called him “Loopyca”.

    We actually had a lot in common as we both loved dogs.

    It’s a funny world out there Luis.

    When people communicate respectfully with each other and get to know each other their differences often just fade away.

    Might be a prescription for solving a lot of what ails the World.

    ;)

  22. Nick in SF April 28th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Cespedes with a 2-run shot in the bottom of the 9th to tie the game 8-8!!!

  23. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    comnsnse April 28th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    =================================

    It is factual… My wife’s mother has been dead for 35 years and she has voted the last three elections… Today, I found out that a cousin of mine who has been dead for over 20 years not only votes, but has been a member in the voting booths.

    About the second part of your comment, having been a victim of that kind of behavior to a certain extent. No, I would not support that kind of banishment… I just scroll past those comments and ignore most of the crap… i believe in honest and good debate and making fun in a healthy way… After all, we are here for some fun right? ;)

  24. comet April 28th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Hi All:

    These are the games the Yankees need to win. I will admit that I picked them for 79 wins and so far I am pleasantly surprised. Despite thinking they’d only win 79 games I pull for them to win everyone.

    Let’s hope the Astros are as compliant for us as they were for Boston.

  25. comet April 28th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Oakland has just tied the Orioles!

  26. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Greetings Comet.

    If they are not compliant then I hope they are least malleable.

    :)

  27. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Now I’m even more pissed we didn’t get Cespedes.

    :(

  28. jmills April 28th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Hi, Comet, I still don’t know how you aren’t a Jays fan, after all, we had Dave Stieb and everything! :D

  29. mick April 28th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Well so far this season there is a lot less agita than there was for last years team.
    Too bad it doesn’t matter as these wins are hollow as we have no future.

  30. Nick in SF April 28th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Cespedes went low for the homer:

    https://twitter.com/sftweeindieguy/status/328648878553440256/photo/1

  31. G. Love April 28th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    I think one of the nicest things anyone can say about luis is that he’s cordial on here with the poster who voraciously accused of him of being a troll to the point it go uncomfortable and more than one of us stood up and defended him.

    luis is a quality poster with great things to add other than “See? I told you so”.

  32. jmills April 28th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    I always knew Luis was quality, I knew nothing else.

  33. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    MTU,

    I know that…Many people helped a great deal… This is my first and only blogging experience, I have been a member of ESPN insider and Pinstripesplus, but I’ve never made a comment… In fact, it took me like a year before I made a comment in here… I like the atmosphere and most of the posters, this is a very nice little community.

    I think you are right, we have lost the respect for each other, not only in here, but in general… Instead of looking at our differences we should be looking out for the things that we have in common… The world would be a much better place if we could respect each other.

    Some of it has to do with the destruction of the family as the fundamental cell of society… And the parental authority as a result

  34. jmills April 28th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Luis, thanks for the words of merit. ( I have to admit though, my daughter gets the upper hand sometimes :) )

  35. mick April 28th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    luis

    joe g beat us both again with the lineup.
    Ichiro up1st who figured?
    Stewart again behind the plate?
    Youk did sit though…

  36. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Luis-

    It’s sad. But I am not sure Mankind has learned much in over 2000 yrs. about how to get along.

    Man is the only animal that kills for pleasure and with malice of forethought.

    The great Physicist and Thinker Stephen Hawking recently said that he thought that the only way Man would survive is to go to other Planets.

    He might have been talking about overpopulation but he also might have been saying we’d blow ourselves up eventually. The only survivors being the ones who escaped.

    I find his comment interesting because unless Man changes his Nature somehow that would only be a temporary respite.

  37. Nick in SF April 28th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    A’s walk-off win on bizarre sequence in which they advance runners and then win on two sac bunt attempts which resulted in balls thrown into the outfield. :shock:

  38. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    We carry the seeds of our own salvation or destruction within.

    I’ll catch you all later.

    :)

  39. jmills April 28th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    MTU, I agree, it would only be a temporary respite.

  40. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    G Love,

    Thanks… To be honest, I still don’t know who did, but I have my suspicions… But I don’t really want to know… All that counts is that I am here expressing my opinions, whether we agree on them or not ;)

    Jmills,

    You are a quality sport enemy ;)

  41. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Luis-

    Mills is a succulent fellow.

    Or at least a person who like succulents.

    ;)

  42. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Take care MTU

  43. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    sp:likes

  44. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    y tu Luis.

    ;)

  45. comnsnse April 28th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Luis et al, humor must be an important component of every day and while blog “love fests” are nice minimally, a healthy dose of humor is very healthy including that of the self deprecating variety and should always be taken as such.

    Emoticons are our salvation when the baseball minutia becomes repetitive and drones on about the same stuff!

    Be well ,and your comment about la famiglia is right on while technology has led folks to lead more insular lives which doesn’t help with true social skills.

  46. randy l. April 28th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    “I was completely intimidated by a guy who used to post here named “Murphydog”.

    He accused me of being “sanctimonius”. I think I’m anything but that but we didn’t know each other at all.

    Several people came to my aid.

    I always thought Murphydog was really funny too.”

    i really enjoyed murphydog on sunday mornings. he was always a great read, absolutely one of my favorite posters though we were on opposing sides as far as cashman goes.

    i saw a photo of his dog murphy, a beautiful powerful looking white dog, really intelligent looking. after murphy’s passing , i think murphydog stopped posting.

  47. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Randy-

    I found him quite hysterical at times. I liked him. And I hope he came to like me.

    Hey. I even like you.

    :)

  48. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    mick April 28th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
    luis

    joe g beat us both again with the lineup.
    Ichiro up1st who figured?
    Stewart again behind the plate?
    Youk did sit though…

    ====================================

    He did huh!? I was surprised and at the same time impressed… He is thinking outside the
    box and that is good… I would have liked to see Romine’s debut, but I guess he thought that facing a knuckleball pitcher wasn’t the best opportunity to do so… About Youk, yes he did sit him, but because of health related issues… Not good

  49. randy l. April 28th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    “He might have been talking about overpopulation but he also might have been saying we’d blow ourselves up eventually. The only survivors being the ones who escaped.

    I find his comment interesting because unless Man changes his Nature somehow that would only be a temporary respite.”

    … and hawking never read this blog or he’d likely be even more pessimistic about the future of mankind :)

  50. comnsnse April 28th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    MTU, man can/will not change his nature except to secure a temporary advantage.

    Man’s nature is tied to Nature itself, random, chaotic and capable of whatever he/it decides to do at any time for good or evil.

    The only thing we have to govern us is the law, flawed on occasion but the true religion of humanity.

    The planet will survive, man generally destroys what he creates.

  51. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Once upon a time there was one here who did a great deal of damage to the blog.

    Chased away some very fine and knowledgeable people.

    I still miss many of them and regret what happened to them.

  52. mick April 28th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    I was surprised when he finally benched Gardner.
    While this team is very low key I enjoy them more than last years group.
    Tex, Swish, Arod were rally killers and frustrating as hell.
    Ibanez was really a savior.
    Who can forget the waste that was Andruw Jones.
    A housecleaning was in order and that included Martin, who by turning down a big offer, turned off the FO.
    Good riddance , Cash and Hal are indeed looking for players who want to play here, and aren’t using us as a stepping stone.

  53. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    comnsnse April 28th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    ===========================

    Good post… be well as well, i hope to see you again… You have a very good baseball mind ;) and a very good sense of humor

  54. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    Randy-

    I found him quite hysterical at times. I liked him. And I hope he came to like me.

    Hey. I even like you.

    ==========================

    for what is worth ( not much ) me too Randy ;)

  55. randy l. April 28th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    mtu-

    “I never met a man that I didn’t like.”
    ? Will Rogers.

    i think you’re the will rogers of the blog.

    he had some good quotes:

    “There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by readin’. The few who learn by observation.
    The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.”
    ? Will Rogers

    “Diplomacy is the art of saying ‘nice doggie’ until you can find a rock.”
    ? Will Rogers

    If you want to be successful, it’s just this simple. Know what you are doing. Love what you are doing. And believe in what you are doing.”
    ? Will Rogers

  56. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    and hawking never read this blog or he’d likely be even more pessimistic about the future of mankind

    ==============================
    LMAO! But i think Randy that this is a little nice island ;) With problems like everywhere else, but this is a good community to be a part of

  57. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Sense-

    I stated my view earlier.

    We carry the seeds of our own salvation or destruction within.

    To continue we must chose the right path. The path of Love over Hatred.

    Many have tried to show the way. It is up to us to see what they have tried to teach us.

    It has to be voluntary from within each of us. No human or group of humans can force it.

    No law of Man can make it possible.

  58. luis April 28th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    mick April 28th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    I was surprised when he finally benched Gardner. He needed a day off
    While this team is very low key I enjoy them more than last years group. AGREE!
    Tex, Swish, Arod were rally killers and frustrating as hell. Martin most of them
    Ibanez was really a savior. Yes, but they couldhave brought an internal option
    Who can forget the waste that was Andruw Jones. No argument here
    A housecleaning was in order and that included Martin, who by turning down a big offer, turned off the FO. THANK GOD
    Good riddance , Cash and Hal are indeed looking for players who want to play here, and aren’t using us as a stepping stone. I hope, but they need to address the future

  59. mick April 28th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    To continue we must chose the right path. The path of Love over Hatred.
    ===============================================
    Which has led us to Lo(ve)H(ate)ud…..

  60. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Randy-

    That is a very nice compliment.

    But I’m no Will Rogers.

    I’m just a nobody who God has blessed with a wonderful life. Quite by accident.

    ;)

  61. luis April 28th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    MTU April 28th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
    Sense-

    I stated my view earlier.

    We carry the seeds of our own salvation or destruction within.

    To continue we must chose the right path. The path of Love over Hatred.

    Many have tried to show the way. It is up to us to see what they have tried to teach us.

    It has to be voluntary from within each of us. No human or group of humans can force it.

    No law of Man can make it possible.

    ==============================

    Post of the day

  62. luis April 28th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Randy,

    Yours comes in a close second ( Will Rogers )… I don’t think MTU is him, I just think he is very comfortable in his own skin… We should all strive to accomplish that… The world would be a much better place

  63. luis April 28th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Good night all

  64. mick April 28th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    The return of Tex and Grandy, if tex can play should result in the departure of Boesch and Francisco IMO.
    I would keep Overbay around and until he’s 100% platoon him with Tex.

  65. luis April 28th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Mick,

    I dread the return of Tex and Grandy

    have a good one

  66. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    And I thoroughly enjoy the Creation. With all it’s beauty and wonder.

    And to be thankful for each and every day I have the priviledge to experience and enjoy it and to try to share it with others in the realm.

    For that, I am gifted with a camera and a will. A Man who cannot even draw a stick figure well.

    ;)

  67. mick April 28th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Do you think Tex will hurt the chemistry we are building?
    Grandy will give Ichiro more rest but will take away Ab’s from Wells.
    As has been the case for Girardi, most of his moves have been defined by what injuries dictate.
    So that remains to be seen…

  68. luis April 28th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Comet!!

    Sorry I didn’t acknowledged you…. That 79 prediction is possible too… The pitching needs to keep it up and the O keep the good situational approached displayed… Nobody would blame you for you prediction, it was in the realm of possibility

    Good night for real this time guys

  69. luis April 28th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Mick,

    I don’t know if they will hurt the chemistry, but it is a possibility… I dread their all or nothing approach

  70. jlyanks85 April 28th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    With this rotation and bullpen, even before the season started was not a 79 win team. Maybe mid 80s at worst. With Granderson and tex hopefully coming back, their lineup is more than enough to win.

  71. mick April 28th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Luis, Youk appears headed to the DL, and we don’t know how older players will hold up, so reinforcements in the form of regulars like Tex, Grandy, esp Jeter should be safe and welcomed back. Never can have enough talent and , who knows, they just may adjust to this refound approach to hitting.

  72. mick April 28th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    At 15-9, we would have to go 64-74 the rest of the way.
    Only Randy is hoping for that ;)

  73. ac1 April 28th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    I dont think we will suffer when Grandy comes back. We dont get much from Boesch and Francisco. Overbay does make some key hits to Tex’s return may hurt us in the short term since he takes 2 months to start hitting.

  74. ac1 April 28th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    If Youk goes to the DL, will be finally get to see David Adams?
    They would be able to 60 day Cervelli (i doubt he returns in 6 weeks).
    If Romine plays well, I doubt Cervelli returns at all.

  75. Nick in SF April 28th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Wouldn’t Romine/Cervelli be a better combo than Romine/Stewart?

  76. jlyanks85 April 28th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Romine needs to start playing. Is not like he has Joe Mauer blocking him from playing, it’s Chris Stewart. If Joe doesn’t see that he is nothing more than a backup, then when will he? Romine at his worst, I can guarantee will put up better offensive numbers than Stewart will.

  77. comnsnse April 28th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    MTU, respectfully you are entitled to your pacific opinions but I dare say they do not reflect man’s actual history.

    As Burns said, “man’s inhumanity to man while countless thousands mourn” is more the norm on planet earth.

    History and current events indicate that man has made little progress in being civilized unless there is a profit motive.

    Most worship the “golden calf” to the exclusion of all else.

  78. Josh Lueke fan April 28th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    i didnt see the knicks game today. im in norway, my slingbox is screwed and my teamviewer app on my home computer in ny is screwed. so can anyone tell me how we looked…. i do know melo struggled and had bad shot selection late in game, and that the referees cheated the knicks repeatedly (which they also did e first 3 games)… anything else? should we win on saturday?

  79. ac1 April 28th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    They say romine is working on learning the pitchers before he starts

  80. mick April 28th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    JR Smith suspended for the game….Melo went 10-35…Knicks lost in OT but came back from 20 down to take a lead in 4thQ….game 5 in NY on Wed.

  81. Josh Lueke fan April 28th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    kind of astonishing that theres never repercussions for bad referees. when jeff green can get foul calls anytime he takes it in the lane, while melo has to get three and four putback attempts before drawing a foul, if at all, u know theres corruption. the okc game in okc at end of regular season… durant had 15 free throws and melo had 0 free throws until 20 seconds in game when okc was intenionally fouling. melo took the ball in as many times as durant, just didnt get any calls.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    comnsnse – I agree about man’s inhumanity to man, and we see it played out, in a more insignificant sense, on this very forum. Take, for example, posters who cannot control themselves from coming and seething nastiness on the forum every chance they get. Passive-aggressive actions and assertions, stirring the pot against certain posters whenever they get a chance, almost living for the moment to be caustic in their pomposity. And the genesis of it all? Their inability to deal with Yankee losses. :D

    They seethe when others are okay with something so monumental and traumatic in the real world, as Yankee losses, and if they are upset that their brilliant managing skills are not adopted by the “mediocre” Yankee management, they seethe even more when others approve of what the Yankees do. How mature, how grown up, how very laudable on their part – and then of course how totally understandable that they come on the forum and act like 4th grade bullies and constantly take shots at people who can enjoy baseball without falling apart. They become crazed and accuse their victims of every imaginable atrocity. Pollyanas, they call them. Let everyone root the way they want, they say – until you root in a way that they do not. And then they quickly change the rules and criticize everything you say and do.

    They do have company in the form of a few other miserables, and when they all happen to be on the forum at the same time, whoa boy, the crap gets slung nonstop!

    And all in the name of Yankee baseball, tch tch.

    G. Love, just to be clear, I am talking about you.

    And because I do believe in karma, I’m sure your day will come when you are stalked on the internet by someone who finds out all of your personal information and makes it public; and if you have the AUDACITY to become paranoid about it and then start accusing people you don’t know of being the stalker, we’ll all be sure to publicly humiliate you for your ridiculous behavior.

    No need to thank me here. One good turn deserves another.

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    luis, I’m sure, will verify that I publicly apologized to him several times for thinking he was a stalker. I do think a few of us thought he might be, but then some of us were here when constant stalking was going on and a new screen name became almost automatic cause for concern.

  84. Josh Lueke fan April 28th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    isnt this stalking business so far in the past that it doesnt need to be discussed any longer?

  85. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    What about woman’s inhumanity to man?

  86. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    I like pretty much every poster on here as much smack as I talk. There’s really only one poster on here who I think in real life is a really mean spirited person that I would not associate with even as a Yankees fan. There is some arrogance here, some fart sniffing and some chronic crying but on the whole I can’t hold anything against those people since they’re Yankees fans and that’s what we’re here for. Like I said, only one person here I feel is sick in the head and it’s not who you think it is. There are many posters here I’d love to go to a game with and party with. Trisha I would be kind of scared that she couldn’t make it through a night at a bar without trying to bang down my fragile ego.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    I do have some thoughts on the unpredictability of players and how they will perform with new teams, and I think we have to at least consider the psychological aspect of different players’ personalities. It doesn’t matter how much a person is paid to perform a job, that person still brings with her or him characteristics that can have an affect on job performance. Not everybody is the same. You can just look at personalities within a team to see that. Paul O’Neill and David Wells played in spite of what was happening around or to them. Bernie Williams was very affected by things going on in his life. So there are things that will affect individuals and how they might be performing at different junctures.

    Think of it in terms of your on actions on the job. I doubt there are many people who can say that no matter how things were going at work and no matter how they were being treated personally, they always brought their A game to the table. There are some, but I don’t think everyone can say that. If you can remember days when you just didn’t have it, when you just couldn’t conjure up the energy you needed to have your A game, you’re probably more in the majority than minority. Life happens to people.

    We look at players and players’ statistics and are tempted to make judgments about what they bring to the table on a new team based on that. While some fans are very willing to understand that playing in the Bronx brings with it its own potential set of problems for a “new” player, others either don’t understand it at all or pretend it just does not exist. IMO they look at the player as some kind of robot operating in a vacuum and their expectations of the player emanate from that paradigm.

    I also look at the psychological uplift a player can get from coming to the Yankees. Picture playing for a team that never wins and has very few fans in the stands. Do you think that a lot of players would be able to motivate themselves to play their A game under those circumstances? Sure you might have exceptions who might see it as an opportunity to shine and hopefully get out of there, but it is equally understandable if someone starts to feel less motivated and less excited. Then think of a player who hasn’t really had the opportunity to be on winning teams, think of that player coming to the Bronx. Can you see where you might see an upsurge in that player’s enthusiasm, you might see the player’s stats take off? Now if you had judged the player to be washed up because of his stats from another team, you might end up being wrong.

    When Vernon Wells came here, I know there was concern because his playing in California had slipped. I remembered the Wells from the Jays and also felt that it was possible that playing for the Angels might not be an indicator of what was to come. It was the same as the Edgar Renteria who excelled in St. Louis, was booed out of Beantown, and went on to do well elsewhere.

    Maybe what we’re getting from the “new” guys is going to fall apart at some point. But maybe playing for the pinstripes has re-invigorated them and they are back to being the strong players we had known them to be in the past.

    Either is possible, or maybe the truth will end up lying somewhere in between. We won’t know the answer until we do. But as is my way, I’m more than willing to believe they will succeed. And from there comes my constant enthusiasm and belief in the team.

    We really don’t know until we do – up or down.

  88. Josh Lueke fan April 28th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    its not c r nine is it… the sick in the head?

  89. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    No. It’s someone who’s hostile and very angry. I think the person you refers to just has uncontrollable mood swings, not constant, explosive anger.

  90. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    randy l. April 28th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    luis,

    obviously girardi knows as much as anyone about catching, but other catchers seem to do it differently as far as the hand behind them.
    i’m just finding the discussion interesting.

    cervelli does seem to get hurt a lot.
    ============

    Weren’t most of his injuries sustained when he was at bat and not hitting?

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    I should have said peoples’ inhumanity to other people. Certainly not gender specific.

    **********

    Lueke – the only reason I brought it up is because G. Love felt the need to show up and stir the pot with his typical self-righteous indignation, cloaking himself in glory because he defended luis against the horrid accusation that he was a stalker:

    “I think one of the nicest things anyone can say about luis is that he’s cordial on here with the poster who voraciously accused of him of being a troll to the point it go uncomfortable and more than one of us stood up and defended him.

    luis is a quality poster with great things to add other than “See? I told you so”.”

    G. Love is likely going through a bad time because the Yankees are winning and are not doing so with his proferred formula. And nothing gauls him more than for me to be right about anything. So the combination probably keeps him up at night.

    So he needed to stick his nose into the conversation about luis being accused of being a troll, and since it was obvious that he was once again working out his aggression on me, I felt that I should remind the sane people on this forum that it wasn’t unsual for someone who had been stalked the way I had and had my personal information posted all over the forum to be gun shy when a new screen name appeared out of the blue, since that was the modus operandi of the person who used to stalk here.

    Yes, that is all in the past and the person has really made a turnabout from what I can see. That’s the only reason I brought it up.

    And I did apologize profusely to luis.

    If G. Love wants to come here and constantly play the embittered two-year-old and make it personal with his passive-aggressive shots, again all in the name of the Yankees not playing the way he wants them to, then on occasion, I will respond to his melodrama. More often than not I let it go.

  92. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Trisha-

    I completely understood how you felt after what happened to you.

    You are one of the survivors.

    Other were not quite so lucky.

    It was a terrible time on the blog.

    I’m glad it’s in the past.

  93. Josh Lueke fan April 28th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    i think he has explosive anger. he hates and he cant stop hating. he may have been in norway today, seen An Olearys pub, which is filled with patriots, red sox, bruins, and celtics memorabilia. and on front door, is a big Yankees suck decal. he might be considering arsening the Olearys before he departs norway next sunday.

  94. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Well I only read that long post because it followed a poster not named Duh Innings.

    Baseball is very much a psychological game which could account for volatility in statistics year-to-year. But I think the key factor is not scenery, it’s just physical energy and health status. If you’re injured or nagged by aches and pains, it distracts focus from the game. Youkilis had been hampered by injuries. Perhaps Wells as well. Another main factor that leads to fluctuations in performance is approach and adjustments made. Some players can adapt and break habits, other’s are rigid and show now capacity for flexibility. I think the Yankees are good at scouting and identifying players who have the ability to make adjustments. Wells improvement is mostly because he shortened his swing, not the uniform. Just as many others have put on the pinstripes and swung for the fences (Giambi, Tex) and seen their batting averages plummet and all around game deteriorate.

  95. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Weren’t most of his injuries sustained when he was at bat and not catching?

  96. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    I should have said peoples’ inhumanity to other people. Certainly not gender specific.

    ********

    But you didn’t. You were careless. And you characterized men as cruel, which is sexist and you are under arrest for sexual harassment by the LOHUD blog PD. But i forgive you.

  97. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    No. It’s someone who’s hostile and very angry. I think the person you refers to just has uncontrollable mood swings, not constant, explosive anger.
    ==

    I don’t think that constant explosive anger characterizes anybody on this forum. Why are you talking about this anyway? What’s the upside?

  98. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Well maybe you don’t have the same read on people as I do. Maybe my personality type is INTJ and I see right through people. But the point wasn’t for someone to try to solve the mystery of the person I mentioned (not in name). The point was that I like people, even people who get on my nerves and even people I talk smack to and poke fun of.

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    MTU – thank you. It was a terrible time, and I was hardly the only person victimized. And thankfully it is in the past. I’m not ashamed to admit that I was paranoid for quite a long time because of it.

    **********

    “But you didn’t. You were careless. And you characterized men as cruel, which is sexist and you are under arrest for sexual harassment by the LOHUD blog PD. But i forgive you.”

    :lol:

    I assure you that it was truly a manner of speaking. Trust me, cruelty is hardly gender specific!

  100. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Ghost-

    Gomes broke Cervelli’s wrist in a collision at home plate. I know that.

  101. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    The point was that when it comes to personal conflicts and personality clashes, I don’t take this blog seriously, not as seriously as I do when the same sort of communication would transpire in front of my face. It’s easier to walk away in person or write of someone but here they keep coming back and you have to appreciate and embrace the absurdity of it all.

    -Buster

  102. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Trisha-

    Considering what happened it was understandable.

    And there is no need to thank me.

    I know your heart.

    ;)

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    “I think the Yankees are good at scouting and identifying players who have the ability to make adjustments. Wells improvement is mostly because he shortened his swing, not the uniform. Just as many others have put on the pinstripes and swung for the fences (Giambi, Tex) and seen their batting averages plummet and all around game deteriorate.”

    If you talk to Wells, he will tell you that the uniform has definitely had an effect!

    I agree that it can cut both ways. I’ve already noted that putting on the pinstripes can be as intimidating or pressure-laden as it is exhilarating.

    Scenery can be extremely meaningful to certain types while it may not have any effect on other types. I think you could put Boomer anywhere and he’d produce for you. Not so with everyone.

  104. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    MTU April 28th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Ghost-

    Gomes broke Cervelli’s wrist in a collision at home plate. I know that.
    ==

    I forgot about the wrist. The concussions and foot injury were at bat.

  105. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Ghost-

    I disliked Gomes for a long time after that play.

    Still do. He has a rep as thug.

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    MTU – as I have said here many times in the past and in many different ways, you are an extremely special person. I fear the mold was broken after you graced our earth. There aren’t enough laudatory words to describe you. And the nice thing is that anyone who posts here knows that to be true. You are definitely one of a kind.

    :)

  107. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    I don’t think the scenery would boost Wells performance if he stayed stuck in his old habits before he came here. But it was his adjustments during spring training that Yankees scouts noticed and we’re seeing a continuation of his spring where he learned to shorten and quicken his swing and let the ball travel further. He’s making better contact because of it.

    But I love his interviews. I think he’s a great clubhouse guy and he’s not a hotdog like Swisher or Damon. I like him a bunch.

  108. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Cervy has had some pretty rotten luck, that’s for sure. I’ve always liked that kid, ever since they first called him up. He strikes as a good guy and a tough competitor.

  109. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    I don’t think the scenery would boost Wells performance if he stayed stuck in his old habits before he came here. But it was his adjustments during spring training that Yankees scouts noticed and we’re seeing a continuation of his spring where he learned to shorten and quicken his swing and let the ball travel further. He’s making better contact because of it.

    But I love his interviews. I think he’s a great clubhouse guy and he’s not a hotdog like Swisher or Damon. I like him a bunch.
    ==

    Supposedly Cashman tried to get Wells last winter, but the Yanks and Angels weren’t able to come to an agreement. Apparently, the Yanks interest predated ST.

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    JB – thank you for taking the time to read and respond to that ridiculously long post. I’m not sure I would have, had I not written it!

    :)

  111. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Trisha-

    Luckily there IS only one.

    You are a staunch defeneder of the little guy and the downtrodden. You are courageous. And kind.

    If anything you suffer sometimes from your loving nature and your love of God.

    I actually like you very, very much.

    But I think you know that.

    :)

  112. Nilsson April 28th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Tigers putting the hurt on the Bravos. ATL win-loss record, welcome back to earth.

  113. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    JB – I still believe in that intangible – the aura and the mystique.

  114. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    I think team chemistry is boosting player performance for sure. This is the best group of ballplayers we’ve had together in a long time. As a fan you just feel it. Getting back Jeter and Granderson will only help because they are a big part of Yankees culture.

    I’m glad Martin and Swisher are gone. They were goofs. Arod and Tex are selfish ballplayers and cowards in the spotlight.

    Youk reminds me of O’Neill and Tino. Hafner is like Matsui with his calm. Cervelli is feisty like Posada. Stewart is hard-nosed like Girardi.

    Lots of character.

    Lots to like.

    Lots to look forward to.

    I haven’t been this happy as a fan in a long time, really.

  115. 4 NYY April 28th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Got to see the game, but have been busy since, and just ran thru this blog and picked up bits and pieces and only one thing upsets me !

    That still, after all these years GRAIG Netttles is called Craig !!! Lol

    I forget who it was. So many did & do get it wrong, even when he was playing.

    Great win again !!!

  116. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Thankfully Upton did not hit another one tonight.

    Just to torment me.

    I’m glad he didn’t. I was one of his biggest supporters.

  117. 4 NYY April 28th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Hi Trish, some nice posting, BTW !

  118. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    I’m ready to feast on some Astroburger starting tomorrow.

    :)

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    MTU – as you can probably imagine, that really brought tears to my eyes.

    There are times when “thank you” seems so very insufficient but it’s from the tips of my toes to the top of my head.

    Thank you my friend.

  120. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Giancarlo is still out there. Who knows if he’s a possibility.

  121. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Not necessary Trisha.

    But thanks.

    Just be happy and find peace.

    :)

  122. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Bustero-

    He’d work.

    ;)

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    MTU – some days are easier than others, but all in all it’s a very nice life.

    :)

  124. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    So would Cargo.

  125. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Trisha-

    I’m glad your happy. You deserve it.

    :)

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    4 NYY – thank you!

    I’m sure the other shoe will eventually drop from those who would be able to find white in a post that was totally black, as long my name was associated with it.

    ;)

  127. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    ed : “you’re” not “your”. Duh.

  128. mick April 28th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    This group of Yankees should be lauded for the mere fact that they STFU the mouths of LoHud that cursed the every move the NYY’s have and will make.
    It’s fine to be critical but not belittling.
    Every belittler that has tried to be a force here has had to go. Now, to point out hypocrisy is another thing. That ilk is fine here as they have more of a right to be righteous than those that think they know better. That latter group are a group of snobs. Snobs are in the minority at LoHud although when they get together it seems like a mob. They might not get kicked off but they are being shut up by this group of Yankees …

  129. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Well mick it seems obvious then that the Yankees players read the blog and they’re like, I’M GONNA SHUT THAT JERKFACE/RICH IN NJ PIEHOLE

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    MTU, I know we are united in the following: the Jays MUST step up to the plate and immediately stop the beantown frauds. And then the Rangers need to follow suit! Enough with this shameless promotion!

    :evil:

  131. mick April 28th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    I’M GONNA SHUT THAT JERKFACE/RICH IN NJ PIEHOLE
    ===================================
    not who I was thinking of bret but you know who i mean…

  132. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    Mick the know-it-alls post with the most frequency. That’s what creates the illusion that Yankees fans have had this collective let down. My Yanks fan friends offline just don’t get that way. If you bring some of the arguments here into the world offline they tend to be short. My friends state their case and move on. On here it’s like celebrity level attention giving to those who don’t move on but keep pecking away.

  133. 4 NYY April 28th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    Did you know that Nettles (Graig) never sturck out 100 times in a yr. ?

    Or that Yogi never struck out as many as 40 times in a season ?

    In one of his very best yrs., in almost 600 AB’s Yogi only struck out 12 times !

    He also never walked 100 times. He was the Vlad Guererro of his day !

    Only ONE Yogi !!!

  134. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    And please, call me Buster.

  135. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Trisha-

    Seeing is believing.

    They are definitely silencing their critics for now.

    I’m hoping it will change. The sooner the better.

    I liked ‘em better when they were on the outside looking in.

    They crashed and burned last year. It was sweet.

  136. pat April 28th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Dodger prospect Yasiel Puig arrested

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles.....affic-stop

  137. mick April 28th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    My Yanks fan friends offline just don’t get that way. If you bring some of the arguments here into the world offline they tend to be short.
    ================================
    They would tend to be short of friends in the real world. What Yankee fan would pontificate the negative on a constant basis?

  138. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    It would definitely warrant strange looks.

  139. mick April 28th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Mick the know-it-alls post with the most frequency.
    ===============================
    They are a minority. It is all an illusion when a minority uses big words and platitudes to make itself feel superior.

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Well I will say I would have been happier if Farrell hadn’t gotten the managing job. To see the way the Chucky Doll and Lester are pitching and then to remember how pitchers responded to Farrell when he was their pitching coach, well I’d like to think that their recent success is nothing more than an unhappy coincidence.

    Then again, they have a lot to play for. If you want to talk about the psychology of the game, the fact that their stands were virtually empty Friday night tells you a lot about what these players know they have to get done. I’m thinking that they can’t keep up that pace and level for an entire season. So the sooner it ends, the better.

  141. blake April 28th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Trout, Pujols, and Hamilton were 0-12 with 5 Ks today

  142. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Man. Valverde is such a clown.

    I’d be embarassed if he were a Yankee. Zero dignity.

    Comparing him to his Mo-ness is like comparing the Mona Lisa w a cartoon character.

    ;)

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 28th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    I think I will turn in. It was a very nice way to end the evening with this group of posters.

    Night all.

    :)

  144. mick April 28th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    On here it’s like celebrity level attention giving to those who don’t move on but keep pecking away.
    ===================
    They are just rebels without a cause.

  145. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    I think that Lester and Bucholz are for real. However, I think that the rest of the Boston rotation is suspect. Two guys won’t be enough for them to keep up this pace of theirs.

  146. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Dulce suenos Trisha.

  147. Jesus Bustero April 28th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Well I’d still take them over the Goldman Sachs crowd in the legends seats. At least they show passion, in a twisted way but nevertheless a pulse.

    Here’s an interesting dynamic. Drop Randy into that section over the course of a season and record the conversations and the back and forth. That’s the stuff great reality TV shows are made of.

    I am a big fan of Howard Stern. He’d have a field day with guys like Pruf. There was a loony poster on the old ESPN board who migrated to the YES board and started his own Yankees show on public TV in Manhattan. He would rant and cry and roll his eyes (that was his trademark) and Howard Stern’s crowd spotted him. They started crank calling him and tormenting him. It made for the funniest most hilarious surreal comedy I’ve ever seen.

    He took an online personality everyone loathed and gave him a huge platform, totally magnifying the guys already overwhelming idiosyncrasies.

    The guys name is Jonah Falcon. Google Jonah Falcon + Howard Stern Show

  148. Boston Jim April 28th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Where are the espn clowns now, saying the yanks would finish last

  149. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Man. Valverde is such a clown.

    What did he do?

  150. 4 NYY April 28th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Valverde = classless

    Mo = In a class all by himself !!!

  151. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Boston Jim April 28th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Where are the espn clowns now, saying the yanks would finish last
    ——

    Nobody ever holds these bozos feet to the fire, and they never seem to lose credibility, despite their miserable track records on predictions.

  152. 4 NYY April 28th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
    MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Man. Valverde is such a clown.

    What did he do?
    =====================

    Made an entrance like the clown he is and acted as he usually does on the mound.

  153. mick April 28th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    why would anyone think that b/c they are tv personalities that they know anything.
    everything is scripted for them, it’s a show jerry, a show about nothing…

  154. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    4 NYY April 28th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
    MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Man. Valverde is such a clown.

    What did he do?
    =====================

    Made an entrance like the clown he is and acted as he usually does on the mound.
    ===

    What a tool. Oh well. He might as well have his fun while it lasts. There’s a pretty good chance that he’ll give a three-run bomb, and blow the lead.

  155. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Ghost-

    I don’t like his antics.

    He spit water in 3 different directions as he entered the Stadium. Kinda gross.

    It’s all about him. His over exaggerated gestures on the mound before he delivers a pitch.

    He just acts like a clown out there.

    Like I said. No diginity. I find him extremely irritating to watch. As well as comical.

  156. Josh Lueke fan April 28th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    i should have said, in a hypothetical world, the thought may have crossed his mind.

  157. MTU April 28th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    See you all tomorrow.

    Have a good rest of your evening.

    :)

  158. Ghostwriter April 28th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Good night, MTU

  159. pat April 28th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    SuperSprowtz
    Boost those biceps into blossoming boulders with @CC_Sabathia and Brian Broccoli in this Body Blaster Workout… http://fb.me/2EdjbLsEl

  160. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    They really should approach Hughes now about an extension.

  161. Pat M. April 28th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Rich in NJ……Hughes is throwing the ball very well and I think he’s becoming the guy that many of us thought he was going to be …..Shame that his career has had so many bizzare pit stops and detours but watch out folks because here come Phillip Hughes

  162. pat April 28th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    TBTimes_Rays
    Full story on accusations of cursing and lying between #Rays @davidprice14 and umpire Tom Hallion http://www.tampabay.com/sports.....ox/2117926

  163. Bo knows April 28th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Hughes is probably the best, bad pitching example I know. How the Yankees managed to stall his development by expediency should carry a big sign reading: “Don’t do a Hughes”. Now when he’s finally coming into his own at his own pace, they lose him. Mismanagement of Assets.

  164. Pat M. April 28th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Bo Knows…….He really does know !!!!

  165. Bo knows April 28th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    Bo Knows…….He really does know
    ———–
    Stopped clock, right twice a day. I was part of a joke as in Bo Knows Didley with variations.

    Hey Pat

  166. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Pat

    I’m not willing to say that I see the #2 yet, but he is showing some preliminary signs that he can be a #3. It’s still a small sample size, and I think there is enough risk for him (to the downside) and the Yankees (to the upside) if they let this drag out until after the season without trying to find common ground that both could get burned. Again, that’s why giving Ichiro any money for 2014 was just crazy if there was any chance that there will be a budget.

    It may be that Hughes has enough incentive to play this out (that’s probably the case). We’l see, or at least I hope we will.

  167. Pat M. April 28th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Rich in NJ…….Dodgers get to see Hughes up close twice this season and I see him being a solid 3 and maybe a slot higher. Some in the game think that he’ll be making up for the lost time due to the setbacks that he’s had to endure.

  168. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Pat

    He could, because as Bo alluded to, he has gotten irregular work in his Yankee career, which probably affected his ability to build up arm strength as well as work on his secondary stuff.

    They can’t rely on one year deals with pitchers who are about 40 forever, and they can’t be sure that any of their current young pitchers will ever become what they hope given how fragile pitchers are.

    Hughes is just now moving past the injury matrix, and may have finally learned how to pitch. To let him go would run counter to what the Yankees claim they aspire to be.

  169. Pat M. April 29th, 2013 at 12:52 am

    Goodnight from the coast and good morning to the Breakfast Club…..

  170. Crawdaddy April 29th, 2013 at 6:04 am

    The Yankees made their early mistakes with Hughes, but this is his fourth season in a row as a ML starting pitcher so I don’t get how they can be blame now for his lack of arm strength. Doesn’t the player has some responsibility in his conditioning? The 2009 season is the only season in which he had several appearances coming out of the bullpen. His problem in 2007 and 2008 seasons were injury related besides the Yankees rushing him in 2007.

  171. blake April 29th, 2013 at 7:40 am

    Pitchers all develop at different rates and some take longer than others…..it’s not like Hughes is 33….he’s 27 and entering prime age now.

    If the Yankees are ok going over the 189 mark (which I’m not buying right now) then they should extend Hughes through his prime years…..they should approach him about an extension either way IMO and see what it’d cost.

    They probably won’t though and he will end up being a nice starter for the Dodgers or Giants next year

  172. randy l. April 29th, 2013 at 7:44 am

    hughes is a good young pitcher.

    everyone knows the plan was for him to be developed to walk away when free agency came.

    this is the plan for all yankee pitchers who are developed.

    develop them and let them walk with no attempt at extending a contract at a time favorable to the team and beneficial for the player.

    oh and yeah , hughes is a prime example of why i root for losses and hope for sudden implosion so there is new leadership and no other young pitcher has to go through the gauntlet that hughes has had to go through.

  173. Crawdaddy April 29th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Yankee fan my butt, you’re a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  174. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Good morning.

    It would be an incredible waste if Phil has now finally figured it out and is allowed to walk.

  175. randy l. April 29th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    “If the Yankees are ok going over the 189 mark (which I’m not buying right now) then they should extend Hughes through his prime years…..they should approach him about an extension either way IMO and see what it’d cost.”

    blake-

    i said a long time ago that hughes should have been signed when he was in a down period. at some point a team has to take a stand with who they think will make it.

    hughes has made it, but because of tentativeness or being stubborn or rigid in their approach to extensions hughes will likely walk next fall.

    i’m more hard core in how i want the yankees to regroup, but we basically feel the same way towards players like hughes. he should be a yankee going forward. he’s one of the guys i root for.

  176. Doreen April 29th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Randy, isn’t tht what the Rays do??

    Develop a pitcher, and let him go in FA or trade because they’d. Pie too expensive to keep??

    First of all no one knows for sure that the Yankees are going to let Hughes go. They will need a pitcher next year he will likely be the bet FA pitcher, or one of, on the market. I very much expect the Yankees to make a huge effort to keep Hughes.

    Ultimately as a FREE agent, it’s up to Hughes what he will do. He may want to pitch on the WC, and that’s his right. I hope he continues to pitch well all season and that the Yankees make it difficulty for him to leave. The only question about Hughes is his ability to stay healthy, specifically his back.

    Anyway, it’s April. A LOT of season to play out. I’m happy with our Yankees, and hope this type of play continues. A reason I think it has a fairly good chance is that it is a different guy every day. No one s really carrying too big a load. Plus these guys seem highly motivated, chips on their shoulder and all, and our manager is very good at making sure he uses his whole team. No one rots on the bench, for the most part.

  177. Doreen April 29th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    BTW one of the advantages of YNkees money is not HAVING to extend players. I think having a policy in place that is rarely gone against is something the players know about and understand going in. They also know if they stay with the Yankees it will likely be the best contract they will get.

    It may be cheaper for the Yankees to offer extensions, but I don’t think it NECESSARILY hurts them. Btw, I think 189 is a goner anyway.

  178. pat April 29th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    BrianCoz
    Source: The jets have released Tim Tebow #NYJ

  179. randy l. April 29th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    doreen-

    if you like hughes walking it’s your choice.

    i don’t like it.

    if you like management, that’s also your choice.

    i don’t like what they do , and that’s my choice.

    since i’ve ben rooting for the yankees before you were born i kinda feel like i have that right.

  180. austinmac April 29th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Doreen,

    The Yankees have always chosen not to do extensions because they perceived it as an unnecessary risk when they could simply wait and outbid others if they wanted the player. I hope they still will do that. That is the question. If that philosophy has changed, so must their ways.

    Personally, I hope $189M idea is in the rear view mirror.

  181. randy l. April 29th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    “if you don’t mind hughes walking”

  182. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Blake-

    My theory on whether the Yankees will exceed 189 is dependent upon at least 1 thing :

    1) On how the Yankees do this season ?

    If the Yankees do poorly and it affects Revenues I’d guess he scraps the cap. Like he said.

    If they make the post-season he doesn’t.

    I think there may be another factor that comes into play.

    That Hal may wish to sell. That also would affect things.

    You don’t invest more than you need to into a buisness that you are thinking of unloading.

    You try to make it look attractive to the next owner but no more.

    In this case lean and mean with healthy revenue streams would be optimum.

    Reseting the Tax might be attractive to a future owner. He is going to make every effort to make that happen.

    If the Dodgers were worth 4. What are the Yankees worth ?

    That’s a lot of money. It buys a lot of Hotels, Yachts, and Horses.

    ;)

  183. Crawdaddy April 29th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    “since i’ve ben rooting for the yankees before you were born i kinda feel like i have that right.”

    You have the right to be a terrible Yankee fan if that’s what you are in first place. Also, how old are you, maybe, it’s time for your family to place you in a home.

  184. Crawdaddy April 29th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Any fan that roots for his team to do poorly whether it’s player or management, isn’t much of a fan in my book.

  185. Crawdaddy April 29th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    I think some Debbie Downers around here are actually upset that the Yankees are doing so well this early in the season as it doesn’t fit their personal agenda.

  186. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    They should sweep Houston.

  187. Bo knows April 29th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Starting off saying that I know little about pitching. I always focused on “What’s he got”?.

    But Hughes was just a long litany of Mish Mash. Starting with him coming up as a two pitch rookie, bringing him up a month early after a tough cold spring. Next year giving a kid a choice, relieve at the Majors level or go back to AAA. Then came the broken rib, pumping iron during a hell workout with Clemens. Stretching him out with limited innings. Always tinkering, he found a spike curve learned from Mussina. And always semi succeeding with a limited arsenal.

    To this day I don’t understand why he can’t throw a two seamer along with the four seam. Back in the that ill fated Texas game, I swear he struck out Teix on a CU, years later it’s still at the same place. And here it is crunch time. They risk having him leave for nothing.

  188. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Tebow released by the Jets. I am not a Jet fan, so I don’t have any opinion, but best of luck to him.

  189. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Randy,
    I get what you’re saying….I just can’t root for them to lose…..but I get that you’d be wanting to take steps back to take steps forward long term.

    Doreen,
    The Rays do that because they have to though…..it makes it very difficult to sustain and you have to be just lights out developing players to keep a pipeline fresh enough to turn over that quickly and stay good. How is Disney? Where are you staying?

    MTU,

    Agree….attendance is down early this year though even though they are winning ….so we will see how they address that.

  190. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    randy-

    I don’t like it when we do all the work to develop a guy and then we just let him walk. How could ya’.

    As Doreen said, that’s what the Ray’s do. We shouldn’t IMO.

    I don’t share the same vociferous negative opinion of Cashman and Girardi but it wouldn’t hurt my feelings any if they both moved on. Change is sometimes necessary and is a natural process.

    Every Manager and GM have an expiration date.

  191. randy l. April 29th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    i also root against the management of my country when it does a vietnam or an iraq or when it doesn’t take care of hurricane disasters like sandy.

    if someone has a problem with that, that’s their problem.

    it is a free country after all isn’t it?

    i think america is based on the idea of personal freedom if i’m not mistaken.

    we all have the right to different sides of an issue.

  192. Doreen April 29th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Randy I like Hughes a lot. I dont want to lose him. I’m just not as convinced as you are that he’s gone.

    I also take the view that ultimately its up to the player.

  193. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    I only root for a team to lose at the end of a bad season when meaningless wins would hurt ther draft pick. That has never been an issue with the Yankees, or at least since 1990 and I was too immersed in law school to remember.

    Anyway I am glad that people here want to extend Hughes too.

  194. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Hughes is a good pitcher now…..but his ceiling will be determined by how well he can hone his fastball command…..how consistent he can become with that new slider and how healthy he can stay.

    I don’t think he has #1 upside anymore…..he just doesn’t have the pitches to be Justin Verlander or Matt Cain…..however I think his CU is good enough to be useful now and that he could become a really good 3 or a solid 2 in a lot of rotations if he can maximize his fastball command and become more
    Consistent with his slider ……

  195. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    Doreen-

    You make a good point about the player’s desires.

    Last night while watching the Tigers game the announcer’s were talking about Torii Hunter.

    They said he reached out to Dombrowski telling him he wanted to play for Detroit. It was not the other way round.

    They said part of it was because Torii’s son will be playing football for Notre Dame and he wants to spend some of his off time being able to go down to see him play.

    Maybe Hughes wants to go surfing , or just wants to see more of his Family.

    I can understand it. That’s one of the things FA is all about.

  196. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    This isn’t knock on Rothchild or any other pitching coach, but I think Dave Duncan could make Hughes a#2; he is that good, and has done amazing things with guys with less stuff.

  197. Doreen April 29th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    MTU I feel the same way as you do about management changes.

  198. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    I think Cashman will fight to keep Hughes …. It’ll boil down to Hal

  199. MaineYankee April 29th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    pat April 29th, 2013 at 8:10 am
    BrianCoz
    Source: The jets have released Tim Tebow #NYJ

    ———————————————————-

    Has Cashman called him yet? :D:

  200. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    Oh sorry, pat. I missed your Tebow post.

    I agree with blake. There is no logical reason for Cadhman not to want to extend Hughes.

    But man, it makes so much sense to try to do it now, or at least start the process. Obviously, the same with Cano.

  201. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Blake-

    It’s funny. When Hughes first was on the scene he made use of a slider.

    Somewhere along the way he either lost it himself, or was told/encouraged to lose it.

    I always thought Phil tinkered too much. Wanted him to simplify his approach.

    That cutter really created some havoc IMO. It was not a good pitch for several reasons.

    I like this combo of FB, slider, and curve. With an occasional CU thrown in.

    And believe it or not I still think a splitter would have been a great pitch for Phil.

    But I like what I’m seeing so far this season. I really like that slider.

  202. Doreen April 29th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Blake,

    The weathers been great. My oldest daughter flew down by herself to meet us here, yay! We are staying at the Disney Vacation Club Old Key West resort. It’s literally a home away from home. If your family loves Disney, the Disney Vacation Club is the way to go. Today is Epcot day.

  203. Bo knows April 29th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    I’m more partial to the pitching coach with CWS. I’ve started to question Rothschild’s focus on SOs as pertains to Nova. The SOs have come up, control has gone down.

  204. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Rich in NJ says:
    April 29, 2013 at 8:35 am
    This isn’t knock on Rothchild or any other pitching coach, but I think Dave Duncan could make Hughes a#2; he is that good, and has done amazing things with guys with less stuff.

    Eh….usually veterans he made sinker ballers though and I’m not sure that’s Phil’s game…..however Duncan is very good and I think if you put Hughes as is in a bigger park then he’d immediately put up better numbers just because of that.

    I did think it was interesting that Hughes has pitched really well at YS over his last 12 starts….I think they said yesterday he was like 7-2 with a 3 era over that time

  205. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    blake

    I think it would benefit Hughes to have a sinker, even more so in YS.

    Yes, two games without a HR.

  206. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Early figures from fangraphs on Hughes have his avg FB right at 92 but the biggest difference from last year is he’s throwing it about 10% less…..he’s throwing that slider nearly 25% of the time , and his CU almost 10%

  207. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Doreen-

    One thing I do not like about Cashman these days is his mouth. I don’t like his new found candor.

    IMO he has been disrespectful to some of our best players. He comes across as cold and smug sometimes.

    But hey, that’s just buisness. Right ?

    ;)

  208. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    But man, it makes so much sense to try to do it now, or at least start the process. Obviously, the same with Cano.”

    I agree

  209. Doreen April 29th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    My warm fuzzier about Cashman disappeared, as well.

  210. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Bo

    They tried to hire Cooper in the recent past. He declined the offer.

  211. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    I think it would benefit Hughes to have a sinker, even more so in YS.”

    Yea I agree I wish he could 2 seem the ball a bit but I think it’s possible that he’s tried and it just doesn’t move much with his arm action……a bad 2 seamer is just a slower fastball

  212. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Honestly I think Hughes finally has an arsenal he can work with now…..and I think he needs to refine that before tinkering anymore.

  213. pat April 29th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    I feel very let down by Page Six when I have to find out Cano has a 2 year old son in a Daily News article.

  214. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Doreen,

    That’s great….we stayed at the Polynesian and the kids absolutely loved it. Hope you have a great time

  215. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Rich-

    I liked Duncan very much as a PC. I think he was one of the better ones out there.

    My idea of a really good PC is a guy who is not a one size fits all type of Coach.

    What I mean is someone who can analyze a Pitchers natural strengths and weaknesses working to optimize the strength and minimize the weakness.

    Individualizing the instruction for each guy instead of remaking the guy into their image.

    Being able to help correct technical malfunctions is also extremely important IMO as guys sometimes get out of sync and they need the coach to help them overcome it.

    Not sure where LR fits along that spectrum. But he is a pro. That much you have to say.

  216. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    He does have enough, it is now just about consistent mechanics and things like reading hitters’ swings.

  217. blake April 29th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Cooper is really good….I like Rothschild too….I think he’s done a good job since they hired him. The pitching staff hasn’t really kept them from winning and has largely been the reason they have won the last couple of years IMO…..

    I actually wish they could bring back this same rotation next year plus a healthy Pineda

  218. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Good post, MTU.

  219. Doreen April 29th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Pat

    whoa!

  220. Shame Spencer April 29th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    @BattingStanceG

    Dodgers just signed Tim Tebow 5yrs/$147million.

    ——————

    Tell me about it, pat!

  221. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    I’m even more concerned that we have the very best Coaching at the MiLB level.

    I’m hoping Gil Patterson is tops. We’ll see.

    I was less than impressed with Contreras. I’m glad he was replaced.

  222. MaineYankee April 29th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    MTU

    One thing I do not like about Cashman these days is his mouth. I don’t like his new found candor

    ———————————————————————————

    If that’s the case how can you want Cuban as the owner?

  223. Shame Spencer April 29th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    If $189 is really out the window, why not keep Hughes, Andy, and Kuroda… (and buy Price)?

    :twisted:

    I’m afraid those rumors that we’re scrapping the plan have reinvigorated me… I’m assuming this was their plan the whole time!

  224. Bo knows April 29th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    They tried to hire Cooper in the recent past. He declined the offer.
    —–
    Yep, that’s the guy.

  225. blake April 29th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    If that’s the case how can you want Cuban as the owner?”

    Cuban says funny and interesting things…..

  226. Shame Spencer April 29th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Doreen – Please consume multicultural beer for me.

  227. blake April 29th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    I’m more interested in finding a way to steal Bryce Harper

  228. NYYROC April 29th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    There is a 7/27/12 Fangraphs article by David Laurila about PH and his development. In it Phil said he threw a slider when he was drafted. Nardi made him stop and go to CB. PH also talks about the injury in Texas and how he hasn’t had the same stride since. I think the article shows how very aware he is that he needs to continue to evolve and improve as hitters adjust to him. It is a good read.

  229. comnsnse April 29th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Rich in NJ, “Dave Duncan would “make” Hughes a #2 ? Seriously?

    Phil Hughes with marginal mlb stuff, with an inconsistent past, with several injuries especially the back will not be “made” into a #2 or anything else unless he adapts to the following requirements for major league pitching success consistently.

    Consistency being the operative word!

    1-Command/control
    2-velocity
    3-movement

    These are the components for successful pitchers and while personally I rate 1 & 3 as the prime requisites ( See Greg Maddox,Whitey Ford), Hughes has mastered none of the above.

    Yet most of this current thread is devoted to why the Yankees did not offer him a contract when he was doing poorly or why after three recent starts he should be paid a fortune to stay!

    Does this sound like a good management philosophy to anyone ?

  230. MaineYankee April 29th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    blake April 29th, 2013 at 9:01 am
    If that’s the case how can you want Cuban as the owner?”

    Cuban says funny and interesting things…..

    ——————————————————————

    I guess Stern doesn’t think it’s so funny.

    That doesn’t equate to success though.

  231. blake April 29th, 2013 at 9:08 am

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    The Yanks have a lot of potential for starting pitching upside and depth…..they have the most good arms in the organization they have had in years

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    When is Grandy supposed to be back?

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    I was wondering the same thing.. we’ve gotten a little distracted by Tex and Jeter’s set backs but haven’t gotten an update on when Grandy plans to return….. he was supposed to be back around this time (first week in May).

    Does Romine get a start tonight? Did they ever move JR Murphy up to AAA?

  238. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Maine-

    See Blake’s responses regarding Cuban.

    ;)

  239. comnsnse April 29th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Blake ,Attempting to predict the future is silly and impossible but……when Harper becomes eligible for free agency the Yankees will bust the budget to sign him.

    He was always a Yankee fan growing up and one would salivate seeing him batting with the cozy RF seats in view.

    BTW, Cuban is attractive to many in that he’s a win at any $ cost guy.

    Sort of reminding us of a younger George.

    Personally I believe it’s a fantasy , the future is big media conglomerates owning sport’s franchises for content to sell commercial time and over charge over air customers rapaciously with those 6 month increases!

    Pro sports in America is the ultimate reality show for fan-atics!

  240. Shame Spencer April 29th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Just saw this from that article pat posted…robots please.

    “Several Rays who were in the dugout confirmed Price’s version of the events, though they wouldn’t do so with their names attached, likely out of concern of retribution from other umpires. “

  241. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    comnsnse

    I disagree that Hughes has marginal stuff. He has had a plus FB for a while. Last year, before his secondary pitches improved, when he had FB command he could almost tame a good lineup like Detroit with one pitch. In addition to low 90s velo it has late life.

    Now, he can also go to a slider, a curve, and a change, all of which are improving.

    As of today, I see him as someone who is showing signs of being a #3, but I do not think he has plateaued yet.

    Could he regress? Yes, that is why I think it his interest to do a deal now, but I also think we may just be seeing Hughes come into his own.

  242. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Blake-

    Bingo ! We have an excellent collection of high upside arms right now, and that is why I said the PC is so important.

    Especially the MiLB ones. I hoping they’ll be brought along better than the first crop.

    Don’t want to waste this latest bunch.

  243. comnsnse April 29th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Blake, I hate to say this but your future pitching rotation is somewhat ambitious given the reality that very few prospects are performing at a level which dictates future MLB success at this time.

    I repeat that prospects are suspects until they actually perform consistently at the MLB level.

  244. blake April 29th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    “Blake ,Attempting to predict the future is silly and impossible but……when Harper becomes eligible for free agency the Yankees will bust the budget to sign him.”

    Hopefully….he’s a monster and he will be like 26 as a FA

  245. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    I think once you’ve had back problems you are never past the “injury matrix”.
    -

    Tell me more.

  246. blake April 29th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    “Blake, I hate to say this but your future pitching rotation is somewhat ambitious given the reality that very few prospects are performing at a level which dictates future MLB success at this time.”

    Of course….I said “ideally”. Very unlikely that they’ll be that fortunate where they have like 3 front like arms fighting for the #5 spot

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    I really hope Mo changes his mind and comes back next year…..I understand if he doesn’t because he is being drawn t his family and he’s basically mastered closing ….. But he’s so good and selfishly as a fan I hate to see him retire when he has lost nothing

  248. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Everybody and their Mother will be after Harper if he continues to progress at the rate he has.

    No sure thing the Yankees will wind up with him. Especially these days when the vault is tighter.

    I don’t care what these guys say publically about who they have always wanted to play for.

    I learned a while back that 99% of the time it’s the $ that make the most difference.

  249. blake April 29th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    It won’t shock me at all if the Nats offer Harper a 200 million dollar extension sometime soon and he takes it…..

  250. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Blake-

    They can afford to do it. Their owner is like a bazillionaire isn’t he ?

    :)

  251. Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Yeah give what they paid Werth, they probably won’t make it easy for Harper to walk.

  252. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    I do not see Mo changing his mind.

  253. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I’d love to steal Price from the Rays. Although I expect them to simply deal him before he reaches FA.

  254. jacksquat April 29th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 9:19 am
    I think once you’ve had back problems you are never past the “injury matrix”.
    -

    Tell me more.

    Because it seems so often that back problems are reoccurring.

  255. MaineYankee April 29th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Rich in NJ April 29th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    Yeah give what they paid Werth, they probably won’t make it easy for Harper to walk.

    ——————————————————————-

    Not saying they won’t make it a priority to sign Harper but they had to over pay Worth because they weren’t a prefered destination at that time.

    Winning makes a team more desireable.

  256. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Stanton and Cargo are 2 pretty nice targets if they become available.

  257. comnsnse April 29th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    MTU, you’re correct in that $ trump any loyalties. A mindset that has generally been fostered by Corporate America over the last 40 yrs.

    If you recall that’s my contention about most things! ;)

    I have a friend who coached for many years in the NFL who always said, “these guys will walk across the street for a $10 bill.

    The prevailing philosophy being why not look after numero uno!

  258. blake April 29th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    MTU says:
    April 29, 2013 at 9:27 am
    Blake-

    They can afford to do it. Their owner is like a bazillionaire isn’t he ?

    Yup

  259. blake April 29th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    MTU says:
    April 29, 2013 at 9:31 am
    I’d love to steal Price from the Rays. Although I expect them to simply deal him before he reaches FA.

    I’m almost 100% sure they will trade him

  260. MaineYankee April 29th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    MTU April 29th, 2013 at 9:31 am
    I’d love to steal Price from the Rays. Although I expect them to simply deal him before he reaches FA.

    ————————————————————

    It’s funny how they seem to trade their pitchers before FA by let position players walk.

  261. ac1 April 29th, 2013 at 9:41 am

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  264. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Maine-

    They have a good conveyor belt going w pitchers. They have more worth sometimes. Maybe that’s it.

    Sense-

    I learned that with Holliday. His Dad raved about how much he wanted Matt to be a Yankee all his life.

    And then he just took the $ from the Cards.

    I have few illusions about it anymore.

    Can’t say I blame them but I wish they’d just keep the PR down to a frickin’ minimum.

    An athlete’s career can’t be cut short in a heartbeat so they should get as much money as they can while they can.

    One Rotator cuff or one ACL away from disaster.

  265. RadioKev April 29th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    There’s a 0% chance Price ends up on the Yankees. Trade or extension.

  266. mick April 29th, 2013 at 9:54 am

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    ====================
    so what you are saying is that an implosion is inevitable and we should have it now rather than later?
    what if the implosion is next year or 2015 then we bounce back, like the redsox, when we start spending money again?

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  268. blake April 29th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    The only way Price ends up a Yankee is if he is traded to a team that can’t afford to extend him or to a place he doesn’t want to sign

  269. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    - Zero chance they get Price. Just a dream.

    Still. He would look great in PS.

    ;)

  270. MTU April 29th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Blake-

    They’ll send Price to the Team that gives them the most of what they want in trade.

    Any big market Team with a great Farm system out of Division or NL.

  271. Shame Spencer April 29th, 2013 at 10:05 am

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